User talk:Sabelöga

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Hello, I would like to tell you that I have created your wiki. You can now access it at https://raltseye.miraheze.org. You should have been automatically granted administrator and bureaucrat rights, if that's not the case then please leave a notice on Stewards' noticeboard so we can fix it immediately. Do not hesitate to ask questions if your question was not answered in our FAQ. Also, if you want an extension, gadget, or anything else, please ask us here. Thank you for choosing Miraheze, and we wish you good luck with your wiki! GOTILON - Talk - Contributions 12:52, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Your wiki request

I had to decline your wiki request because the domain was malformed (invalid). You may re-request with a valid domain. 開拓者 (The Pioneer) (^talk/_contribs | global🌎) 11:33, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Done. --Raltseye (talk) 11:41, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Wiki created

Hello, I would like to tell you that I have created your wiki. You can now access it at https://pokelists.miraheze.org. You should have been automatically granted administrator and bureaucrat rights, if that's not the case then please leave a notice on Stewards' noticeboard so we can fix it immediately. Do not hesitate to ask questions if your question was not answered in our FAQ. Also, if you want an extension, gadget, or anything else, please ask us here. Thank you for choosing Miraheze, and we wish you good luck with your wiki! 開拓者 (The Pioneer) (^talk/_contribs | global🌎) 11:52, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Reverted your good-faith edit at Meta:Flood flag

Hi Raltseye,

I just wanted to follow up with you quickly regarding the above, as to why I reverted your good-faith edit at Meta:Flood flag. Firstly, the MediaWiki.org interwiki wikilink was broken when using the tvar tag, but the more I thought about it, since the destination page uses the Translate extension, it's not really needed as users will automatically be redirected to their language subpage defined in their MediaWiki.org preferences. The English Wikipedia interwiki wikilink to WP:COMMONSENSE doesn't need the tvar tag, either, I think, since they don't use the translation pages.

Secondly, regarding Special:ListUsers/flood link, practice seems to vary, but my preference, unless there's a good reason for your method, is to include the tvar tags inside rather than outside the wikilinks.

Thirdly, regarding the category addition, I'm fine with that, but your edit caused the translation page preparation to be broken, so please wait a day or so before re-adding this.^{Amended. 01:00, 4 October 2020 (UTC) by Dmehus (talk)}

Hope you don't mind...

Cheers,
Dmehus (talk) 23:54, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

@Raltseye: Regarding the above reply, I've re-added your good-faith edits, and struck my previous comments. I'm not sure why the interwiki wikilink for the Translate extension page on MediaWiki.org did not work when I tried to use it the first time. Regarding the second point, re-reading your edit diff, I saw you were actually removing the tvar tag, so both those edits have been restored. I've also restored the category addition, but was mainly concerned your edit causing the page translation to be broken, so, in future, maybe wait just a bit longer before adding. The only edit I didn't re-add was the Special:ListUsers/flood wikilink. Dmehus (talk) 01:00, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Interested in becoming a translation administrator？

Hej,Raltseye.Looking at your user page, I found that you are fluent in English and knowledgeable about many other languages.I also think from your editing that you are knowledgeable about MediaWiki's translation tool tags.So I would like to ask if you are interested in translation administrator.thanks.--松•Matsu (talk) 10:21, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

@松: I can't find the specific thread, but am sure I previously asked @Raltseye: if he were interested in serving as a administrator, if he'd find the added tools helpful (i.e., namely marking source pages for translation following updates and preparing new pages for translation). I can't remember his response, but if he wishes the tools, all he needs to do is {{ping}} me, just like you, when you're more comfortable with the Translate extension. I definitely have a number of users in mind that would benefit from these tools, all active and prolific translators in different languages. There's a couple others, but I don't want to say anything until I've reached out to them to see if they're interested. Dmehus (talk) 14:41, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

@Dmehus:Thank you for telling me the situation.The tvar tag is still difficult for me.I'm still practicing--松•Matsu (talk) 15:25, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

@松: Oh, I didn't realize "hej" was Swedish for "hey." Sorry about the correction then. Thought it was a typo. As for the tvar tags, yeah, I've never used them when translating. As long as you know how to add them in on the source page (basically, add it to any wikilink on a wiki that uses Babel, including interwiki wikilinks), then you should be fine. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 15:47, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

@Dmehus and 松: Yeah, I'd like to become a translation administrator. Though I have never been one before so if there perhaps are some gude somewhere how to mark pages and stuff that'd be great, otherwise I might do some rookie mistakes like adding the wrong T:# notes at the wrong place for instance, in which case you'll have to excuse me ;) Though I'm a quick learner so I guess I'll get into it, hopefully. Feel free to promote me. --Raltseye (talk) 21:40, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

@Raltseye: Okay, sounds good. We don't have a guide, per se, but I will prepare a template similar to {{patroller granted}}, except called {{translationadmin granted}}, substitute it onto your user talk page for you to review, and grant rights. Dmehus (talk) 21:44, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

@Dmehus: Sounds good. --Raltseye (talk) 21:45, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Translation administrator granted - 2020-10-20

Hi, Raltseye. An administrator on Meta has granted you the translationadmin user group permission, which gives you the ability to mark updated source pages for translation and prepare additional, untranslated pages for translation, among a few other permissions related to the administration of translated pages. You should also be aware that the granting of this user group is at the discretion of Meta administrators, so different administrators will have slightly different criteria for granting. Likewise, just as it is a discretionary appointment, revocation is also at the discretion of Meta administrators and, again, each will have their own criteria for revocation.

Nevertheless, the following are some of the main guidelines for translation administrators. If you follow these guidelines completely, it is unlikely your translation administrator user group should ever be revoked.

• Don't mark or prepare pages too quickly. Administration of translation pages is handled by a system maintenance bot, FuzzyBot, whose tasks are handled by jobrunner1 and jobrunner2. Accordingly, it is strongly recommended that you check FuzzyBot's recent edits and log actions to see when it has completed your request. A good rule of thumb is to wait approximately 5-10 minutes between marking pages
• Noticeboards and talk pages should never be translated. Due to the dynamically changing nature of the content on these pages, translation of these pages is undesirable, so they should never be prepared for translation. If you note that a noticeboard is proposed for translation (i.e., pages which contain translation tags but which haven't yet been marked), it's best to remove the < and > characters from the given discussion thread(s) that note the example translation syntax, to remove the noticeboard or talk page from pages proposed for translation
• Never remove a translated page from the translation system. This is not recommended, mainly because the translation page units (in Translations: namespace) remain. Instead, if you believe a page should no longer be translated, start a new thread at Meta:Administrators' noticeboard recommending the given translated subpage(s) for deletion by an administrator. Once all the translated subpage(s) have been deleted, then a page can be removed from the translation system
• Make use of tvar and [[Special:MyLanguage]] tags. The former is especially helpful with translating the displayed text of wikilinks (including interwiki wikilinks) and external links, and the latter is particularly helpful where the linked destination page is translated into languages other than English
• Consider the utility and usefulness before preparing new pages for translation. For example, additional untranslated pages in Tech: namespace aimed at explaining to system administrators how to perform certain procedures are unlikely to ever be read in languages other than English. A best practice here is to propose new pages for translation at Meta:Administrators' noticeboard and obtain consensus there to prepare the page
• Ignore, generally, pages in userspace proposed for translation. Often these are userspace drafts contain translation tags. You can usually just ignore these. If in doubt, you can ask at Meta:Administrators' noticeboard
• Bookmark this help page on MediaWiki.org. Aimed specifically at translation administrators like you, it contains very useful, well written information on the Translate extension's translation administration tools

In addition, a couple of technical limitations regarding the translationadmin user group:

1. You cannot mark fully protected pages that have been updated. If you see such a page that needs to be re-marked, please leave a note on the user talk page of any administrator on Meta or at Meta:Administrators' noticeboard; and,
2. You cannot delete translated subpages. Again, you can recommend long outdated and unmaintained translations, as well as poor translations, for deletion by leaving a note on the user talk page of any administrator on Meta or at Meta:Administrators' noticeboard

If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to reach out. Thank you! --Dmehus (talk) 01:53, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Removing pages from the translation system

Hi Sabelöga,

It's not too significant of an issue, but I did notice you removed Template:Index-table from the translation system. So, I just wanted to remind you of the best practice, which Meta Wiki follows, of instead posting a note somewhere for an administrator to delete any translated subpages. Once FuzzyBot has completed the deletion, then the page should be removed from the translation system.

It seems like you were looking to create a wikitable template and translate it, so you may also wish to see the suggestion I offered to R4356th here in terms of creating, and preparing for translation, a sandbox test case of the given template. That way, if it doesn't work out, you can simply swap out the transclusion on the subject page(s), and request an administrator first delete the translated template sandbox and then remove it from the translation system, if required (depending on the extent of the deletion).

Thanks again, and thanks for all of your translation work on this wiki. :)

Cheers,
Dmehus (talk) 16:07, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

@Dmehus: If I understand you correctly, now that I marked that page for translation, Fuzzybot created the necessary translation pages which were not deleted when I removed the page from the translation system? So instead of doing this in the future I should test these things out in the sandbox. Is that right? Seems fair enough, especially since I don't really understand how translated templates work in the first place, I assumed this would work because an other template here had a similar format, but I was wrong so I removed it, without knowing that Fuzzybot wouldn't delete the leftovers :/ I'm sorry if this caused any inconvenience. --Sabelöga (talk) 19:30, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

@Sabelöga: Yeah, basically, removing pages from the translation system doesn't delete the leftover remnants that are the translation subpage(s) and translation units in Translations: namespace. So, yeah, basically, it would be best to prepare Template:Index-table/sandbox as a translation, then if you no longer require it, ask an administrator to delete it, and then they'll remove it from the translation system. More simply, pages should only be removed from the translation system after FuzzyBot completes the deletion. Dmehus (talk) 19:35, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

I see. --Sabelöga (talk) 19:36, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Regarding Your Removal of noinclude Tags from Template:Essay

Hello, please note that I have reverted your unexplained removal of noinclude tags from Template:Essay. It broke the rendering on pages using the template, which is why I added it at the first place. Why did you remove it? Thank you. R4356th (talk) 18:21, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

R4356th I don't think this needs to be addressed. The removal was clearly made in good-faith. Sabelöga is, of course, free to respond, if they wish, but I think the removal was justified in that the Translate extension has a number of quirks, some of which are unexplained. At any rate, you  fixed it, so this seems to be  solved. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 18:38, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

@Dmehus: I did not mean to come as attacking them if that is what you thought. I was just wondering if there was any particular reason they removed it. R4356th (talk) 19:23, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

No, I don't view it as an attack in any way. It definitely was not that. I mean, I just didn't see the need to ask why it was removed, as it was clearly done in good-faith and the Translate extension has a number of oddities. Hope that clarifies. Dmehus (talk) 19:26, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

"the Translate extension has a number of oddities" - well, that is exactly why I asked this! I was wondering if they knew something related to this. R4356th (talk) 19:32, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Dmehus and R4356th Oh that, yeah sorry, I forgot that the system don't remove that as it does with translate tags on translated pages, sorry about that and thanks for fixing it. 👍 --Sabelöga (talk) 22:44, 13 January 2021 (UTC)