User talk:Raidarr/2021-2022

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Contents circ 2021-2022. The divide is clean enough to represent my first year-and-a-half on Miraheze. If you want to discuss something from here, please make a new section on my current talk page.

Criminal wiki

Hi Raidarr, how are you? The criminal wiki is still available if you wanted to edit more? Thanks. Sperosdurell (talk) 22:34, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

I believe I left you a comment regarding organization there, and that is what I would likely start with. Bear in mind that two other wikis are my creative focus, although actually focusing on them is a tricky business and the only reason I try to 'muse up' looking elsewhere. So your mileage may vary, and unfortunately it would not be daily. If you have a platform like Discord we could discuss things all at once to come up with a creative direction using whatever you have in mind and what I can manage in offshoots of my ideas. Thank you. -- Raidarr (talk) 10:25, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Shaw's Nightmare

Hi Raidarr, how are you? Shaw's Nightmare Wiki needs some help, so maybe try to edit it more? The levels articles in particular need some love. Thanks. Mickey96 (talk) 19:10, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

I haven't edited at all, and that is because I have little interest in the wiki subject. But if you would like advice or administrative work, feel free to specify what you'd like to see and I can give it a look. For content itself - the stuff that requires most familiarity with the material - I'm afraid I am not useful for. --Raidarr (talk) 20:23, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

What do you think of the Home Page and how attractive it is to newcomers? Mickey96 (talk) 09:24, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

@Mickey96: Stark average for Miraheze, which is essentially no real draw to outsiders. If people are pulled in I think it would be strictly out of interest in the game. There's nothing particularly advanced on it, which isn't necessarily a bad thing; however, it is not in any way designed, and I consider design to be something like this. Of course how you'd have it would be whatever fits the game - frankly, you couldn't do too much and still offer an accurate impression of how the game itself is - but the point is that it's distinct from a default Vector skin, which is stereotypical on Miraheze and doesn't do favors in the question of design. Though there can be design through Vector as well (see the Miraheze front page for a basic example), and what you have going I'd consider fairly simple. Still, that can work, so I'll move to content. It's also worth noting that some front pages on Miraheze actively hurt the wiki's cosmetic appeal, and yours does not do that (imo).

The official site link could be built into the wiki's sidebar for ease of access. The news layout is not too shabby, but perhaps could be done in a box, and the user page notice could be a part of it as well since they're both announcements. Alternatively you could blend one or both (user page + looking for staff) into a MediaWiki:Sitenotice block, which would appear at the very top of the page and also appear on every wiki page until dismissed so you can snare people coming in from any page. Important Articles is not too bad, clean enough to work fine. If you want to get fancy, I'll suggest possibly duplicating an information layout that's something like these (any particular way, don't mind the mediocre color of the examples). Only if it appeals to you of course, but the extra advantage being that you can put the box(es) into relevant pages as well if you use templates. The file links may perhaps carry descriptions or even dedicated pages about their function, troubleshooting and so on, even if they seem relatively self-explanatory at a glance. While people can pretty much get all they need out of the current screenshots listed (and I think having them was a good idea), perhaps a few more can be used. But per some of the examples above I'd try to leverage the horizontal space of the page as well. Much of this may include digging a little into the interface, the CSS, and templating, so only take this as far as you'd be able/want to do/need.

I should also note (slightly off topic), you can actually make a talk page for any username and it will ping that user (although if it pings them globally depends if they opted into that, but that applies with or without a user page). Hope it helps ^ --Raidarr (talk) 10:53, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Not to be a pest...

I do have a lot of stubs. My mind works in weird ways sorry. If your around sometime easypedia is there. Thank you talk to you later. Sperosdurell (talk) 14:12, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

I didn't intend to be mean, personally. However, I do worry a little about the long term future. You have an account that appears to be an alt that requested the wiki, which seems odd. Previous projects seem to be left behind with nothing more than the stubs. To contribute to a place, I need to know that it will last, and that its leaders intend more for it than hoping that someone else (ie, me) will be the ones to give it depth. One-line promises cannot do this. If you have more ideas for what the wiki will do, please share. In particular I need to believe that the wiki stands for more than just being an alternative wikipedia with a lot less stuff and no content curation.

I give anything with a clear idea a chance, but there at least should be proof to more in the idea. A passion if you will. Evidence that this is 'the one' that won't be what I have seen before. --Raidarr (talk) 14:25, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

I live in a hard environment to do miraheze or any wiki project for that matter. Saying that i will try and edit every day so the wiki doesn't go stale. I hope you can work with me and the Wiki. Sperosdurell (talk) 14:30, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

I can respect not having much time. I'm not sure when I will go back to EP, but I'll give it another look and try to see if there is something structural I can offer. --Raidarr (talk) 15:06, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. Much appreciated. Im sticking with it!!! Sperosdurell (talk) 15:10, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Apologies, i hope you can accept my apology. Sperosdurell (talk) 15:03, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

hi raidarr, apologies for bothering you, news you visited, any chance you coming back? Sperosdurell (talk) 01:10, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Well frankly it depends on a question. Is that wiki going to get more than a week's attention, or will it go the way of every other? 'sticking to it' didn't age well when your talk page and logs indicate you then went on an unsustainable creation spree for seemingly every other topic to exist. --Raidarr (talk) 08:06, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Patroller granted - 2021-08-30

Hi, Raidarr. An administrator on Meta has granted you the patroller user group permission, which gives you the ability to patrol recent changes and new pages of other Miraheze users (both registered and anonymous) who are not either autopatrolled or an administrator. In addition, this group also means that your edits are autopatrolled, so other patrollers or administrators don't have to patrol your edits. You should also be aware that the granting of this user group is at the discretion of Meta administrators, so different administrators will have slightly different criteria for granting. Likewise, just as it is a discretionary appointment, revocation is also at the discretion of Meta administrators and, again, each will have their own criteria for revocation.

In the medium-term, plans are in the works to develop a Meta Patrollers School, likely led by one or two active administrators, that will provide a comprehensive set of guidelines for patrollers and answers to commonly asked questions.

Nevertheless, the following are some of the main guidelines for patrolling. If you follow these guidelines completely, it is unlikely your patroller user group should ever be revoked. In technical terms, even when you find content that requires deletion by an administrator or otherwise requires remediation, undoing, reverting, or rolling back (if you are also a rollbacker, of course), you should always first mark as patrolled any revisions regardless of whether that content is destined to remain extant to the page or even on Meta entirely.

1. When patrolling talk pages, user talk pages, and noticeboards (in Main and Meta namespaces), you should first check to see whether the user properly signed their posts using four tildes (~~~~). If they have not, you should add {{unsigned}} by substitution ({{subst:Unsigned|username|00:01, 31 August 2020 (UTC)}}), where username is the user's username or IP address and the timestamp is the full timestamp from the diff page. As a best practice, you should also link to the diff in your edit summary, so other administrators and patrollers can easily tie your modification to the original edit being modified. To speed up this process, you can copy the diff-permalink user script from line 5 of this page into either your (a) common.js or (b) global.js page (the latter applying globally on all Miraheze wikis);
2. When patrolling the noticeboards, ask yourself whether this topic is on the correct noticeboard. If it is not, you should move it to the correct noticeboard, by either undoing the edit or manually removing the topic (if there have been intervening edits), again linking to the original noticeboard of the topic and the new noticeboard where it was moved in your edit summary. On the new noticeboard, you would simply paste in the topic (including the section header), linking to the diff page as in the first step. An example edit summary might be Moved [[Special:Diff/######|this discussion]] from [[Stewards' noticeboard]] to [[Community noticeboard|here]], where ###### represents the numeric revision ID of the originally posted topic;
3. Also when patrolling the noticeboards and talk pages (including user talk pages), as a best practice, take care to kindly fix any formatting mistakes (such as excess line breaks or incorrect wiki code), per WP:LISTGAP;
4. If something requires deletion, you can add {{delete}} to the top of the page in question, taking care to follow the instructions on that template page;
5. If you come across a user who repeatedly makes the same mistakes, send them a guidance note on their user talk page, informing of the steps need to edit and post constructively on Meta; and, finally,
6. If in doubt whether something requires remediation or not, patrol it, and then ask any administrator via their user talk page or at Meta:Administrators' noticeboard if any further action needs to be taken.

If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to reach out. Thank you! --Dmehus (talk) 02:13, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Excellent. I believe I'm good right now, but I'll let you (or at least someone :p) know if something comes up. Thank you. --Raidarr (talk) 08:31, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

To Raidarr

I left a message for you on sixsentencespedia, thnx 😊 Sperosdurell (talk) 22:36, 17 September 2021 (UTC) Morning Sperosdurell (talk) 10:24, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello. I have replied there, but is there more you wanted to discuss? --Raidarr (talk) 11:27, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Just saying hi and im working on the Wiki as best i can. Ttyl. Sperosdurell (talk) 12:46, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

I also sent you a message on my new wiki. Tootle-loo! FreezingTNT (talk) 18:43, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Responded there as well. --Raidarr (talk) 22:18, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

So I finished my response on the wiki, had some personal-related issues in IRL which prevented me from finishing the comment. FreezingTNT (talk) 21:18, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Morning.

It's me, Speros. SperosDurrell (talk) 10:59, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello? --Raidarr (talk) 11:55, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

I’m sorry

I’m sorry about that argument, I just got frustrated because you were talking about reverting the rebrand. I asked DMM to redesign the main page of Worst Music & Songs Wiki and that should be done soon. In the meantime, I feel it would be safest to leave things the way they are on Qualitipedia for right now, and improvements can be discussed when improvements are needed. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 23:08, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi

i decided to come back. SperosDurrell (talk) 09:00, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Ok. --Raidarr (talk) 09:10, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

just letting you know no hard feelings. SperosDurrell (talk) 09:13, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Likewise; by all means, feel free to come and go. --Raidarr (talk) 09:16, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Much appreciated. SperosDurrell (talk) 09:21, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

if ever, dict could use some help. Thnx. SperosDurrell (talk) 09:22, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm only looking, no current interest as a contributor. If you have questions though, I can try to answer. --Raidarr (talk) 09:48, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Wiki creator helpful tips

Hi Raidarr,

First off, I will just start by welcoming you to the wiki creator team. Thank you for volunteering. As you are no doubt aware, Content Policy is our key global policy that guides us in creating wikis for customers. Essentially, every wiki needs to have both a clear purpose, some sort of scope (broad or narrow), and a topical focus. This is the main criterion that helps us to determine whether a wiki will have any potential Content Policy problems.

Second, I wanted to share with you a few tips that I found helpful when I first joined as a wiki creator:

1. "Request comments" tab. Intuitively, one would think to use this tab when requesting more information, but as Amanda Catherine (and others) pointed out to me shortly after I joined as a wiki creator, there is currently a known issue with this in that the requestor isn't notified via e-mail unless their wiki is either (a) approved or (b) declined. Thus, when requesting more information on a wiki request, you really either (a) use the "decline" tab, referencing your follow-up comments in that text box and telling them to back into [[Special:RequestWikiEdit/#####]] in order to add to, but not replace, their existing description with the needed information or (b) use either the "request comments" or "decline" tab in combination with a message on the requestor's user talk page on Meta. The approach you use is entirely up to you. I personally prefer option A, but either one is fine;

   Note: this was prior to RequestWiki changes made since last fall, so this one no longer applies, but I included it, albeit with strikethrough text for posterity

2. Private wikis. Private wikis can generally have a shorter description and a less specific purpose, scope, or topic, but they do still need one. If you have some reservations about approving it as, say, a public wiki, due to that vagueness, you can tell them, in your comments prior to approving it, that you're approving it only as a private wiki and remind them to ensure their wiki complies with all aspects of Content Policy;
3. Eurovision song contest and fictional worldbuilding wikis. These are two types of wikis that have few, if any, problems with them. So, as long as there's a clear sitename, URL, and at least a few words in the description that indicates this as the purpose, it's fine to approve them;
4. Reception wikis (positive and negative). Many of the Reception wikis tend to give us the most the grief, especially in terms of content that is very negative about users. If it's a Reception wiki that focuses on terrible fast-food restaurants, that's usually less problematic than, say, one that focuses on gamer or YouTube celebrities, mainly because you're not dealing with content about real, living people. Please don't hesitate in asking follow up questions, sometimes multiple times, of these wikis, trying to narrow down whether the wikis will write about real people in some way and, if so, how they will do it. And, at the end of the day, if you are still not comfortable approving, you can write "on hold" for review by another wiki creator in "request comments";
5. Chinese language mini-world wiki requests. These ones are tricky, but cause us arguably the most grief, particularly when they publish personal information of real people without their consent. Stewards have recently closed a swath of them following a detailed report on stewards' noticeboard, but some of the tricks I've observed them using are odd descriptions like "anti-dog wiki" or to "expose the truth and scandal". Somewhat less common, they will use a completely different, but vague, description, then change their tune when you follow up with them and use some of those key phrases I mentioned in the previous sentence;
6. Google Translate. Don't hesitate to use Google Translate to review non-English public and private wikis. Notwithstanding the above point, most of these wikis' descriptions translate surprisingly well. As you've probably already noticed, I like to copy and paste the translated to English description into "request comments," so other wiki creators can see it easily. This is optional, but it's a good practice, I think; and,
7. Don't hesitate to reach out on Discord and ask for a second opinion. If you are still unsure about approving a wiki, or just want a second opinion, don't hesitate to reach out to any wiki creator on Discord. This might be the most important guideline.

There's probably some additional tips I could include, based on more contemporary types of recent wiki requests, notably recent 4chan- and Polandball-type wiki requests, which will possibly require sending back to the requestor for additional clarifying information at least once. Feel free to share suggested additions to these tips, and let me know if you find them useful. :)

Cheers,
Dmehus (talk) 03:51, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the assorted notices; some bits I knew from observation and others are helpful to fill holes in the gaps. I'd like to have a small discourse on some what-if scenarios I've either seen or that might strain the precedence I know to make me defer the listing.

1. Theoretically from what I understand the principle is not so much wikis about or including people in a negative light, so much as the fact they are consistently unsourced, tend to be subject to wild accusations and politically partisan 'common knowledge' and are irregularly considered by the local administrators or even contributed to by them. Is there a scenario where a reception wiki say, regarding youtubers (negative or a combined premise) may offer a proper explanation of its techniques and offer a plausible guarantee that it will curate the quality of its pages so as to not result in systemic Content Policy violation? Namely I'm exploring any boundaries you might consider to have precedence where a wiki might offer a description that toes the line or is made by an unknown or even a well established user without the usual reception wiki record of bungling these topics.
2. Also relevant to above, there is a common trend on the reception wikis as well to now entirely block references to people, communities, and sometimes controversies in page matter. While it is reasonable as local policy to do this (and on most wikis where this is done, they had little business having pages about people anyways), it is often justified as them being automatic violations of the Code of Conduct and otherwise an automatic violation of Miraheze global policy. I'd like to clarify if they're onto something, or if my assumption is correct that they should be more worried about the Content Policy instead, and the rules aren't so much because pages on people and fandoms are automatically restricted, they just require a certain level of care so they don't at minimum potentially create problems for other wikis as well as count negatively in a legal sense that would violate CP and in particular, describing controversy is not a problem as long as it's done in a neutral way and puts some time into offering sources.
3. URL is a relatively less frequent issue to encounter, but still a relevant portion of the process; I believe I have a good idea of the sorts of URLs that are not desirable for a wiki to have at all and how to judge URL association with wikis, but I wonder if you have additional advice regarding this and where to spot fringe cases as well.

There may be other thoughts as time goes on since this is more of an 'early morning' list; no need to consider this a priority, since if any case does strain my judgement you've already noted the two most critical tools, deferring and second opinion (I'm particularly fond of the latter). In any case, thank you again for both these messages and for approval. --Raidarr (talk) 08:30, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Basic help

Hi Raidarr! I'm recently learning English and I intend to improve. However, it's not good as far as I can understand things. According to your userpage, you are a native English speaker. You are able to help me by listening to this audio:[1]. What she said? It was posted in a group on a media , but I didn't understand this "joke" (only the ending). YellowFrogger (✉ Talk ✐ Edits) 02:09, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Frankly, the audio sucks to figure out even for a native speaker - it has unnecessary noise and interruption on a few parts. From what I understand, "Okay so, there's good and bad news, the cat I got you is great but has no tail because I gave it up I was really hungry okay?" I may be wrong and the English here is unclear, but presumably the cat had a tail, but apparently the tail needed to go because it was either food or it got her food. As far as jokes go, maybe I'm missing the point too. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ --Raidarr (talk) 22:08, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Changes to the dormancy policy

Why did you go "revive this topic"!? Now there we go again YellowFrogger (✉ Talk ✐ Edits) 20:48, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

What are you talking about? --Raidarr (talk) 21:27, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

From that here. Just edit someone and come more people and vote, as if it were contagious. It's been a few days since and it was supposed to close this discussion. I can imagine you're little crazy for me to say something, so in the next poll you can quote this comment, ha! YellowFrogger (✉ Talk ✐ Edits) 21:30, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't understand what the point of your commentary is here. The last day I edited before today is December 1st with this edit. On that day there were edits by 6 other unique users with ongoing conversation that was not resolved on that day, along with more discussion in the days before that. Between the 1st and today, TheDungeonMaster replied on December 3rd with several edits. December 6th with the latest edits was started with 10 by El Komodos Drago before I even showed up with my three so far.

Discussions close when Stewards assess that the points have been discussed as far as they will go. One of my edits today was a direct response to a comment made to me. Other conversations are ongoing and there has been no evidence that it should simply be closed now. As much as I think the proposal is probably as far as it can usefully go in its current form, that's not for you or me to assess.

So again, I'm not sure what you're talking about. --Raidarr (talk) 21:43, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Private wikis

Therefore, there is a difference between a public test wiki (for testing resources only) and a private wiki that will be used to test the CSS and the interface of the pages. YellowFrogger (✉ Talk ✐ Edits) 17:24, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

For any wiki requested on the basis of testing features, resources, CSS and so on, Public Test Wiki is available and overwhelmingly encouraged, with very limited exceptions to be considered and argued case by case. This was the basis of my adjustment to the wording here, on top of your otherwise quite correct edit and good initiative. --Raidarr (talk) 17:35, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

One Question

Hello, Sir! My name is Ravin. I'm new here, can you tell me how can I rank my post on google that I want to create on my wiki? thank you. Ravin23 (talk) 09:25, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello Ravin23. Ranking a wiki (through something called "SEO") is a complicated topic, one I would addressed later today since it is advanced. However, because you asked this concurrent with a wiki request, I think I have a better idea where to start. It seems to me you're trying to create a page about a person, rather than necessarily starting a wiki with all of its software and technical features (which is what the wiki request process here truly means). For individual pages you would want to go to a specific wiki (one that is likely hosted by Miraheze, I imagine :p) that covers your topic, though we could arrange something via wiki request if you have technical reasons or other reasons why an existing wiki would not work. I ask you to clarify if I'm on the right track, and this will help support you as far as then getting the page the right location and the right attention.

For outside review, the request is here. --Raidarr (talk) 09:46, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm not creating wiki about "One person", whole teachers of India; being a science student, I want to note of the biography of minimum 100-200 teachers on this wiki. That's why I'm requesting for... If is it not possible to create, sorry for disturbing :( Ravin23 (talk) 09:56, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Teachers of famous Edtech company like BYJU'S, Unacademy, PW, Vedantu etc. Ravin23 (talk) 09:59, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Ah okay, the biographies of many teachers with, I assume, a standard encyclopedic type of writing. My apologies for the confusion, as that does strike me as a sufficient scope. In that case, please update the request with that information, and I or another creator will be able to return to it later. Please also note that the selected URL was too general; something more specific (unique) to your scope is necessary, as a two letter domain by default is a bit too general. That would likely get the request through the door, and at that point we can consider what to improve for reach. You would definitely benefit from enabling WIkiSEO in the ManageWiki extensions menu immediately upon receiving the wiki or when the content is 'release ready', as a first step to getting traffic. Beyond that what is needed is mostly semantic, with things like having as few stubs as possible and perhaps using some technical tricks so engines like Google have more to work with. --Raidarr (talk) 10:12, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much sir 🙏 Ravin23 (talk) 10:18, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm got my wiki now, thanks again sir! I'm so happy & excited 😊😀 Ravin23 (talk) 10:50, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

There is an extension called WikiSeo: mw:Extension:WikiSeo, you should expect to spawn a toolbar in ManageWiki/settings and put a Site Verification Key on something, for example: in Google Console Search and analyze data from your wiki. I already do that. YellowFrogger (✉ Talk ✐ Edits) 15:32, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	First lock as a GS. Congrats! -- Cheers, Bongo Cat ( Talk • Contribs ) 19:05, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

The Meta Project Sandbox

Hello raidarr, Just wantedt to ask, can we have a sandbox for this Project? Probably in subpage like Raidarr/The Meta Project/Sandbox or somewhere else, so we can use for probably explanations of how things should be or something? I mean, I want to explain something to all Volunteers at The Meta Project and the general public based on what I have arranged on my own. Wdyt? just let me know :) --  Joseph  TB  CT  CA  22:21, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Based on what you're asking, I believe using the discussion page and creating a dedicated section to present your findings/input would be best, and for others to do the same (plus sections can be focused by topic. If it's large enough to entail a page for your ideas as a whole, you could create a dedicated one in your userspace, mark as essay and add it to the links of pages associated with the project. But if you see this and still believe a dedicated sandbox would be best, I wouldn't stop you. --Raidarr (talk) 22:31, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Alright, I never thought of the TP tbh, maybe the TP wouldn't be a bad idea. --  Joseph  TB  CT  CA  22:33, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

I like to encourage it :) --Raidarr (talk) 22:35, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

One question

Thanks for unblocking me, but I have one question. You said in the final message that you had shortened the block to one week, yet the block is still indefinite? I am guessing this may have been a mistake. It is good to have this issue finally resolved. Also, I do plan to make an RfC on the QP Meta wiki discussing changes to the blocking policy as a result of this, with similar points to those that I addressed in my RfC here on Miraheze Meta. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 21:15, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Oh, and can you restore my deleted userpages on Terrible Shows & Episodes Wiki and Rotten Websites Wiki, they were deleted a long time ago for no apparent reason and still have not been restored. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 21:25, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

I suspect Raidarr will restore the user pages. I personally saw no reason for those to be deleted. As to the shortening of the block, I suspect that was an unintentional oversight and should be corrected shortly. Dmehus (talk) 21:27, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Ok. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 21:31, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Per dmehus's statement, the QP unblock was blundered and has been fixed. Userpages restored as they were indeed removed for no good reason. --Raidarr (talk) 21:34, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Ok. I also noticed that you said to discuss other blocks with wiki administration, though many of those wikis do not have active administration and seem to be dead. For those I guess we could wait for the Dormancy Policy to take its course. I didn't intend to contribute to many of those wikis anyway. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 21:39, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

You may be able to reach members of their administrations elsewhere, ie, I know DarkMatterMan and Fatburn are on a number of wikis in a management position. In the end for some though, they probably will expire for inactivity. --Raidarr (talk) 22:17, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Yeah. Most of those wikis do not seem to be active, a few are semi-active though I don't plan on doing much. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 22:49, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Wiki

I need a private test wiki due to how unstable the bots will be when madeThe zone (talk) 06:30, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

I would update the wiki request you made itself with exactly what the bots do, including what makes them so unstable, so WCs can decide if it would be acceptable for PTW, unacceptable for the platform depending on what the danger and instability means, or create the wiki as an acceptable niche use. --Raidarr (talk) 09:05, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

The bots a a extreme risk on this site it would be better off to place them in a private site The zone (talk) 15:45, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

If the risk is as extreme as you reiterate, perhaps it is not a good fit for Miraheze hosting. --Raidarr (talk) 17:02, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for your answer, Raidarr. I can't reply on the community board due to some tech problems. RedFox (talk) 13:40, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, Miraheze is struggling a bit I'm afraid. If you haven't tried source mode give it a go, I know the reply button doesn't work well but editing source should do it. --Raidarr (talk) 14:05, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi

What permissions do you get for adopting a Wiki Rn 001 project wiki making (talk) 21:28, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Adopting a wiki reopens it. You become a normal editor, like anyone else who then visits. What you can do from there is start a local election to gain more advanced rights. --Raidarr (talk) 22:00, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Oh maybe I'll just request oneRn 001 project wiki making (talk) 22:04, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi

can u approve my wiki request plsOctahedron foundation (talk) 23:57, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

hi

so what do you think for my satire wiki plan be honest Octahedron foundation (talk) 19:29, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

I think you have been requesting too many wikis, been demonstrating rather strange behavior as a whole and should take particular stock of what is posted on your talk page regarding the use of multiple accounts and other behavior advisories before committing to a project or direction. --Raidarr (talk) 20:02, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Favor

Can I be a sysop on my wiki? Spoon.miraheze.org Octahedron foundation (talk) 21:13, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, no. --Raidarr (talk) 22:36, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Hey

So on my Wiki I was editing a couple groups and then I deleted the bureaucrat group basically locking me out of my Wiki please help restore the default permissions Octahedron foundation (talk) 23:13, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

A pizza for you!

	A pizza for you!
	A very delicious pizza for you: taste it eating slowly 😛 --YellowFrogger (talk) (✔) 05:56, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Translation

Hi! On your user page you mention that you are not good in some areas (or prefer to delay), and you mention "Proper translation". Which "translation" are you referring to? Translate the pages or just tag using tags? --YellowFrogger (talk) (✔) 02:00, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Tags, administrative things surrounding translation, and of course the act of properly translating itself. --Raidarr (talk) 13:11, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Conversation

I can't find or there isn't a subpage you mentioned in a conversation with me on Discord. Where can I find such a way in which I can reply to messages? --YellowFrogger (talk) (✔) 16:45, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Log summary!

Hi Raidarr. Will you please avoid the log summaries like this. It feeds the LTAs and they should be denied. Moreover, it is annoying and it looks like you are trying to communicate with them. Thanks and best of luck with your RfS :) --Magogre (talk) 03:06, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, Raidarr. This is weird. It's like feeding trolls. When you do, say "long-term abuse" and don't even care. They want attention and it amuses them. --YellowFrogger (talk) (✔) 03:07, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Typically I do just that. In this case I felt inclined to indicate my amusement. I am not against communicating with them especially if they seek to communicate with me, though obviously the preference there is constructive communication for a positive result. Thank you for your input in any case. --Raidarr (talk) 03:08, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Log summaries

You have already been asked before to be more careful with log summaries. Now there are even more problems such as Special:Redirect/logid/700920. I will ask once again to please stop using log summaries like this, especially mere hours after getting the Steward bit as this may worry users as to what the future will be like. Naleksuh (talk) 21:54, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Frankly, please lighten up. 'Cease' is the only possible issue with the summary. It is not a particularly controversial word to include. If users en masse are concerned about that sort of occasional word, I'm afraid I should have never been elected as Steward. --Raidarr (talk) 21:57, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Raidarr: I'm sure you'll be fine, but do be careful from now on. Naleksuh's concern is indeed valid, and if I was a Steward, I would have no issue just not using those types of log summaries when globally blocking IP addresses or ranges, and just used some of the reasons like Web host or proxy, long-term abuse, or crosswiki abuse, depending on the checks I would do (if I was ever elected to begin with). Perhaps Doug could give you some guidance on how to do so. As for you Naleksuh, your concern (like I mentioned above) isn't wrong at all. All he needs is a little guidance, and that's it. :) DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 23:13, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Could you indicate exactly what part of my summary was in error? --Raidarr (talk) 23:14, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

To be quite honest, I don't see the issue here. I would agree if perhaps Raidarr had said something provocative in the log entry but all he said was "Cease." Could someone please point out the fault in that? Agent Isai ^{Talk to me!} 23:33, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps it's the "detected creation of quite a few accounts with disruptive actions" summary (possibly that part) is what Naleksuh was talking about. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 23:48, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

But other than that, I don't really see the problem in this particular log summary, but I will advise Raidarr to not do so again, as it could be a problem later if left unchecked. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 23:56, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Understand that if there is an issue, I very much want to correct it. But you went from a strong suggestion to be careful and fully reassuring Nale that he was not wrong at all, to speculating that the issue is what looks to me like an entirely harmless piece of text. You then say you don't see the problem at all, but advise me not to do 'it' again. If you cannot provide me with something clear that is indeed problematic, I have nothing to improve on and it makes this exchange at best entirely frivolous. Please clarify what the issue is that you backed up from the original post which I should not do again (and I pose the same question to Nale), or rescind the request if it does not have grounds that you can personally verify and advise based on. --Raidarr (talk) 00:41, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

My name is Naleksuh, please do not refer to me by any other name. My problem with it is that is the detected creation of quite a few accounts with disruptive actions. Cease., just "Cross-wiki abuse" would be fine. Naleksuh (talk) 00:58, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

I cannot fulfill your request if you consider supplementary context as to why the IP was blocked (such accountability I thought was seen as desirable) to be an issue. Frankly, I do not consider it a matter of 'careful' at all as you originally indicate, making it shorter and vague seems to merely be a preference expressed solely by you, and even if 1-2 others explicitly did not care for it, it is hardly unheard of for actions to be taken with custom, vague, or silly summaries. The future will likely be like more elaborate log summaries where it is suitable on my part even if there are some (which have been conspicuously unaddressed here, and would be fully admitted as procedural errors on my part) which I do intend to reduce or correct next time. You're welcome to initiate a more involved community discussion if you believe Stewards should not have discretion to be specific, or indeed make the occasional log summary that does not suit individual taste.

I could understand if the summary was misleading, entirely unsuited to circumstance, outright silly as I admit to having done twice that I recall or an actual, citable error in Miraheze process, but so far I see none of those applying to what you take issue with, and to be quite honest this would not be the first time I've had to wonder what your grounds are for presenting the matter as a big deal especially in the opening post, implying delinquency in my global actions and taking a very stark position where hardly any issue has been raised or backed up with more substantive reasoning. I hope you can understand where I'm finding it difficult to see the point here. --Raidarr (talk) 01:11, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

The log summary was not terrible in terms of trying to inflect humour into the log summary. That being said, I do agree a bit in that it's better for global block log summaries, opaqueness is actually preferred here. Users will invariably infer, correctly or incorrectly, based on timestamps of when you add the checkuser bit and globally blocked an IP address, but actually specifying accounts, notwithstanding spambot accounts, explicitly is potentially making that public link too explicit. In this case, I would just specify what the issue is (i.e., "crosswiki abuse" in this case is correct). You could optionally link to some sort of IP address database, if it's a compromised IP, a VPN, a web host, or some or some other problematic IP, as that's totally fine. Dmehus (talk) 03:13, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

This contains the necessary specificity, background experience and context for me to derive useful conduct results from. Thank you. --Raidarr (talk) 09:21, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Request for adoption

Hi, I'm new here in Miraheze. I just want to adopt this wiki: https://solace.miraheze.org but there are no respond on my request at the request for reopening wikis page. Thank you. --IAmCauseStillYou (talk) 06:07, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi there. Apologies for the delay. A Steward will get to it soon, have no doubt about that. Requests for wiki reopenings generally take a few days to process but are given response. Agent Isai ^{Talk to me!} 06:15, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

@IAmCauseStillYou: I was actually interested in the reason for the request. Note that adoption isn't necessarily a formal process on Miraheze; I have an essay on how it would work, and if you would like a full adoption (including permissions) that's a good page to look at. It says it's incomplete, but it's complete enough for this case.

It seems like solace was requested to build someone's worldbuilding ideas as a more personal project. Of course, that didn't get far. Nonetheless, despite not being private it is built to be private-ish in nature. I wonder what interests you about the wiki; the domain, the ideas, or were you associated in some way?

Either way if you are looking to develop your own ideas and if you were not associated with the project as requested, you're well within your rights to create another wiki since what you're looking at is both a bit shoehorned in premise (the work of a few select people) and very lacking in the first place (not much for you to build from anyway). Typically I would have asked this on the RfR page itself, but I can reference the outcome of this inquiry as well on that page. --Raidarr (talk) 09:18, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm interest on that wiki but I observed that there are only few pages and there are no enough information on every pages and I don't have problem to adopt a private-ish wiki. But if they reject my request, it's fine.

--IAmCauseStillYou (talk) 10:51, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

IAmCauseStillYou, I'm afraid that does not really answer what your particular interest is in what appears to be someone else's project, when your request indicates you want to develop your own worldbuilding. It seems like it would be best to just request a wiki for your work if you are in no way associated with the wiki you wish to adopt, and doing so would be quite acceptable. --Raidarr (talk) 12:33, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi

How do I contribute? Water eater120 (talk) 21:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Click “Edit” at the top of the page. Once the changes are saved, you have contributed. 2001:8003:B1B8:BF00:45AD:64A:3EBD:C4A7 23:27, 21 October 2022 (UTC) talk page stalker

become staff

• Hi, please i can become chinese miraheze staff?--Msnhinet8 (talk) 09:46, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

  What do you think 'chinese miraheze staff' is, exactly? Everyone who is in a position, has learned a fair amount about how the structure works first. --Raidarr (talk) 09:54, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Is can help use chinese version wiki user, deal with some Issues.--Msnhinet8 (talk) 09:58, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

What position exactly are you looking for, though? There is no 'miraheze staff' rank. You can otherwise help users of chinese version wikis as an ordinary user to a pretty wide extent. --Raidarr (talk) 10:00, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

i want to become staff, can you give me?--Msnhinet8 (talk) 10:04, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Please refer to the above comments. --Raidarr (talk) 10:05, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

so i can not becom staff?--Msnhinet8 (talk) 10:06, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Again, what do you think 'staff' is? It's not a position we have. See this. --Raidarr (talk) 10:09, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

yes, we are family, i want to become Global_Sysops, thanks.--Msnhinet8 (talk) 10:11, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

If you want to become a global sysop, you can make a request here. Be warned however - this position requires community vote, and your odds are not good. Frankly I would not support, though that doesn't mean that others wouldn't. --Raidarr (talk) 10:17, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

ok, i can try it, thanks.--Msnhinet8 (talk) 10:18, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank for your reply for harassment (Also, etc) problem. Even it replied long long later. Luckily you solved it in time. If not, the consequences will be unimaginable. You are a new but excellent steward. Thanks!

--小美粉粉 (Talk) (Contribs) (Sandbox) (My Wiki) (Global Contribs) 1004065811 bytes of data 13:47, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

No trouble on following up, I wish I'd gotten to it sooner but had to confer with someone before tackling it first. --Raidarr (talk) 15:38, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Yo

Sorry mate for the vandalism Octahedron foundation last account (talk) 19:57, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

The only contact or discussion that will be humored is by email to stewards@ per the terms as set, and the only conditions that will be humored via the associated SN request will be defined in response to the appeal at the minimum time. Creating accounts is not a valid way to demonstrate any cause for unlock. I expect no response to this via wiki, only via email to stewards@. Thank you. --Raidarr (talk) 20:25, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for quickly self-disclosing your incorrect sockpuppet creation. I had forgotten that I had implemented some underlying technical measures to align with the expected unlock date of 20 April 2022. With more contemporary events that did not, unfortunately, have that agreed to conditional unlock pan out, I have since  rectified this. As such, and perhaps was the reason for Raidarr noting in his global lock global lock log summary, the agreed to consideration of appeal date has not been extended by 1 day, in part, due to this oversight. Dmehus (talk) 03:12, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

I need your help

You'll have to unblock me at Best TV Shows Wiki, Terrible TV Shows Wiki, Greatest Movies Wiki, Awful Movies Wiki, Awesome Games Wiki and Crappy Games Wiki. I was supposed to be nicer to these users at all six wikis. If I'm being unblocked, I would return to duty. Be a friend, okay? Just unblock me. Eric Bagwell (talk) 20:39, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

From what I understand and have been informed, you have been significantly disruptive, immature and unwilling to meaningfully change on multiple of the involved wikis (informally 'Qualitipedia'). I've been hearing about, thought not majorly involved in the issues for some time; though, I recall giving you a few chances myself. The decision to block you was made with the joint approval of the other two bureaucrats, plus general favor from others in the administration. In light of the long term issues I am at best uncomfortable with reversing the decision, especially now. I recommend you take some time off from the wikis and better your approach, and appeal later through the central Qualitpedia wiki where more users and network staff can weigh in. The minimum needed for an appeal is a clear idea of what went wrong and what's going to change with an unblock since I will not overturn it unilaterally. --Raidarr (talk) 21:08, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

I just told you, I was supposed to be nicer. Just unblock me. Eric Bagwell (talk) 21:12, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

You certainly can't command me to do it. If you were supposed to be nicer but weren't and it became a problem (and I know it has, since I'd seen it brought up several times in qp staff channels) then surely you see the issue. If you insist it was unjustified, should be changed and so on, then I recommend you make a thorough appeal on your talk page through the linked wiki where a discussion can be held properly and a decision can be reached. --Raidarr (talk) 21:23, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Look, I've created some pages about the TV networks at Best TV Shows Wiki, and I've created the page about Hyperion Animation Company, Inc. at Greatest Movies Wiki. I'm a good user at all six wikis, okay? Unblock me, please. Eric Bagwell (talk) 22:09, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Why DarkMatterMan4500 Still Not Unblocking Me at Best TV Shows Wiki, Terrible TV Shows Wiki, Greatest Movies Wiki, Awful Movies Wiki, Awesome Games Wiki and Crappy Games Wiki?

I was trying to tell DarkMatterMan4500 to unblock me, but he wouldn't listen. I'm supposed to be a good user at all six wikis. That's why, I need your help. You have to tell DarkMatterMan4500 about unblocking me at all six wikis. Eric Bagwell (talk) 17:47, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Refer to the above conversation. --Raidarr (talk) 18:08, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Refer? I was gonna tell you, about DarkMatterMan4500 unblocking me. Eric Bagwell (talk) 18:13, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

We've discussed it on both my talk page and his. Nothing has, nor with this approach will change. Please cease unless you have something new to state. --Raidarr (talk) 18:24, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Please, unblock me. I was telling you the truth about unblocking me. Eric Bagwell (talk) 18:50, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

why discriminate against me

My request to open a new wiki was rejected, and my request to adopt a defunct wiki was rejected. This shouldn't be a "patience is a virtue" issue, obviously miraheze is targeted cyberbullying.
What did I do to be classified as "inadmissible and inconsiderate"?
I don't remember what vandalism I did?
If you hate me, just come straight and let everyone know that miraheze isn't a neutral and impartial wiki farm.--黑底屍 (talk) 13:43, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

@黑底屍: Please do not cast aspersions without having any solitary proof. There was no indication that he was even discriminating against you on your recent wiki requests which were declined for a reason. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 13:49, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm not defaming, I'm not referring to a single administrator, but the miraheze as a whole.

Why is it that someone else wants to apply for a new wiki, and it's so easy to approve that I've been put on hold even if I explain a clear purpose?

I want to adopt a wiki that has ceased operation, and it also explains the operating policy and purpose, why is it also put on hold?

I'm sorry, but I can't understand why I need to be scrutinized for special treatment?

If miraheze does not welcome ordinary people to use it freely, and must be qualified, then I don't know what qualifications I must have?

Or maybe I just move my uncyclopedia out of here and find another friendly wiki farm.--黑底屍 (talk) 14:00, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Miraheze is a farm that works on volunteers who inevitably have a degree of bias and can never be completely neutral and impartial, though it tries. The practical reality is that there are two day-to-day stewards (among other roles each occupied with what they are volunteering for/their own lives), one of them being irregular and the other (me) being limited. The result is:

1. volunteers not always having the time or direct ability to resolve certain problems (I've been updated on the unbooks situation, expect a resolution not after the 8th at this point),
2. confusion when many things are attempted at once and the bigger picture is not being considered (ie, I was trying to get more information from you on the adoption request and did not decline it - you make it unclear which issue you want at a given time, are notoriously impatient when not getting your way and we seem to have a communication barrier in general per the reopen request),
3. Volunteers, yes, getting frustrated when the above are weaponized when they are attempting to do many things at once and need to follow the processes of the platform while coming to measured conclusions. You did not perform vandalism, but I would agree that the approach is inconsiderate.

Please respond to the queries made on the request for reopening. Please understand the reasons given when wiki requests are declined and address them as necessary. Please give in this case Doug some time to fully remediate the unbooks problem on which I'm only an observer brought in to lend an opinion, though I intend to handle it myself if it draws past the date I specified.

Claiming cyberbullying is hyperbolic and certainly does not make me more willing to work with you, and is clearly not the best you can do in getting what you want. I stand by all of the above to resolve when developments come, otherwise cannot do more for you in the meantime. If you want to move to another farm in light of this, it is your decision and I wish you luck. Doubly so since you seem to have an issue with all proceedings on the farm. Yes, Miraheze can often be inefficient, and this is a problem to address over time. But instant change will not happen and maybe Miraheze is simply not for you if you can find little you like. --Raidarr (talk) 14:06, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm no longer pressing the issue of unbooks disputes, I'm referring to new issues.

I'm adopting a defunct wiki, why has my request been put on hold?

All subsequent applications were approved, why was mine put on hold? Can you explain?

PS.

Please don't put uncyclopedia (伪基百科) on miraheze's hosting list.

Because I have to move out, the site here is going to be changed to a private sandbox and not open to the public.

So uncyclopedia is not one of miraheze's series of sites, thank you.--黑底屍 (talk) 14:25, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Well frankly, you never let me follow up with your response on the reopen on hold. There were oddities in your request that made me ask for background. 'sbs' is not a valid domain name to reopen - you haven't answered if you meant sbs.wiki, which is a wiki dedicated to spongebob squarepants, or a different wiki, since sbs.miraheze.org does not exist. The reopened wiki needs to be known, and any intended changes to its scope need to be made clear and approved.

The adoption page previously gave users admin/bureaucrat right + reopen if the wiki was abandoned without further notice and closed, per the Dormancy Policy. The process changed since then - it is to reopen wikis only, getting permissions and changing the wiki is another process.

Two of your wiki requests were declined. Both are trying to 'fork' the concept of the original unbooks. That is directly related to the dispute, and is addressed in the Content Policy. There must be sanction from a Steward (in this case, Doug is handling the dispute) for a fork to be made. Once addressed/approved the fork would be able to exist in peace and any issues resulting from content duplication would be understood. Plus, one request asked for the same domain name as a wiki that exists - that is never approved.

Both cases were unusual, the 'reopening' because it is completely unclear what you are trying to adopt/reopen and 'the request for wiki' because they related to an active dispute and one had a redundant domain name.

To clarify since there is a language barrier, do you mean to close the wikis you are operating, or something else? Except for here we don't have a special list. Special:WikiDiscover is just a catalogue of everything that exists. If you want your wikis to be removed once you get their XML dumps, that can be discussed/arranged.

我会尝试使用翻译器，看看我们是否可以更好地沟通，特别是因为我正在谈论平台政策的细微差别。 这可以理解吗？ 如果是这样，我可以这样写以澄清上述内容或将来的答复。--Raidarr (talk) 15:09, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

I don't think it's a translation communication problem.

Because all my requests have been put on hold or rejected, which is already targeted.

I want to stop the previous disputes, and I don't want to force miraheze to change the decision to adopt. I start a new wiki, or adopt other wikis that have been abandoned and ceased operations, and propose improvement plans.

But no matter what solution I came up with, it was rejected or ignored. Am I making trouble unreasonably?--黑底屍 (talk) 07:17, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm afraid at this point now you're just missing the responses I gave, elaborating what was wrong in each case.

I assure you that needing corrections, or there being discrepancies happens much more than you're doing credit for, it just seems inconvenient to acknowledge them here in favor of claiming targeted refusal. In this case and if you do not consider the above, I can do little for you here. --Raidarr (talk) 08:11, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about?

I've only seen my requests to add wikis or adopt defunct wikis, all being rejected and ignored.

And it's targeted.

Because everyone else's request was approved, only I rejected all of them.--黑底屍 (talk) 08:31, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Ignoring all explanation on the first part, blatantly wrong on the second. I don't think there's anything else to be said or done here. --Raidarr (talk) 09:00, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

The problem of unbooks is not that difficult to solve, as long as the original settings are restored, the adopters themselves are not capable of operating the website, so I can recruit competent assistant administrators to assist the operation of the website.

I also explained that I follow the Wikimedia Foundation model to set up and create wikis, and I can recruit assistant administrators to jointly run the wiki group without letting the site go to sleep.

I don't understand that my request is very simple and clear, why is it very complicated in your cognition and do not understand my intention?--黑底屍 (talk) 09:54, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

The problem is that if a wiki is essentially abandoned for a long time (in the closure state), the Dormancy Policy applies. The (previously named) adoption process allowed someone more active to take on the wiki, and be able to develop it as they see fit. Today the process is split (reopen, and getting rights to operate are different). Regardless, this is how Matt gained at least equal footing. Where he screwed up was removing your rights as well. Though it is clear you weren't paying attention to the wiki, that is frowned upon and ideally the rights are shared.

But when the scope is essentially the same but what you think is relevant is different (from what it looks like he is more open and you have a tighter idea of what fits), you have two users on essentially equal footing bickering over what works. That is the problem. Wikis when requested are not owned by any individual, they are collaborative. If you want it otherwise it needs to be set up at the foundation. That doesn't seem to have happened.

Personally in light of the differences in operation I think it would be reasonable to sponsor the unlibrary split so you can make a wiki better fitting your ecosystem and matt can continue what he started. Doug, however, responded first. While I can override eventually if things aren't moving, I don't like to do that arbitrarily. That too is the problem. It's a decision we should both agree on before I just go ahead and make it happen.

Right now though the question is this, are you still trying to split or are you trying to move from Miraheze? It's pointless to sponsor a fork if, as you say above, you're just going to try and dip anyway. And I can do nothing about the reopen request when you don't provide valid information to begin with. --Raidarr (talk) 12:13, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

You go see Matttest what he's doing at unbooks?

I admit that I neglected to take care of unbooks to the point of becoming a dormant site.

But Matttest doesn't do any constructive editing at all in unbooks, his eyes are entirely on uncyclopedia. So since he had no intention of being in unbooks, why did he adopt this website? He just simply wants to be the king of a website.

Currently uncyclopedia is set to be private, which is a permission item that miraheze's system allows administrators to set, and uncyclopedia has been my editor for a long time. I should have the right to share or not to share. I am not illegally tampering with Mediawiki like Matttest. And change the state of the website.

Matttest he wants to connect some users to complain to miraheze that I set the uncyclopedia private state, thereby asking miraheze to deprive me of administrator rights. Will miraheze accept this complaint?

I remember that miraheze does not interfere with the personnel issues of individual websites. Besides, I have also stated that I don't like the private state of miraheze's uncyclopedia. They can create a new website by themselves. I don't understand what they are obsessed with?

Other sites under my control have resumed constructive editing and won't make the mistake unbooks has long ignored.

As for the dispute over unbooks, I decided not to continue arguing. I will seek to open new websites of unbooks on other wiki farms as cross-site links. Other miraheze does not approve the newly added websites, and they will also be opened in different wiki farms. This should not cause miraheze's troubles.--黑底屍 (talk) 01:01, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

As you've made clear with attempted bypass and continue to make clear via other talk pages, Miraheze is not the platform for you as you are evidently unwilling to cooperate in this. I must go with the side that won't flake so easily, so I wish you well on the project discussed/hosted elsewhere. Let me know when things are ported over. Arguing about this subject won't go any further and that is a decision I'm making aside from Doug at this point. I'll follow up with Matt's role in the mess in the near future. --Raidarr (talk) 12:11, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Yes, Miraheze is not mine, but I run uncyclopedia.

If Matttest adopted unbooks, he understood the theme of the unbooks website, and made constructive edits to expand the content of the website according to the theme of unbooks, I would not have such an objection.

But in fact Matttest not only does not understand the theme of the unbooks website, he also personally admits that he does not and does not understand how to constructively edit, he just wants to use the unbooks as a tool to further occupy the uncyclopedia. I have reminded this many times, but unfortunately we cannot communicate effectively due to the language barrier between us.

Since I can't communicate with each other effectively and correctly, I can only take other self-protection methods to end this farce.--黑底屍 (talk) 18:03, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

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Thank you for your explanation to this. I am looking forward for Stewards to resolve this issue soon and I am willing to cooperate with this. 黑底屍, if you have anything that you want to discuss with me, go to my talk page as I guess Raidarr don’t want his user talk page to be flooded with enormous messages. —Matttest (talk) 13:10, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Re

• OK.--Msnhinet8 (talk) 14:10, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

ok thanks, i can improve my community trust and deep involvement.thanks.--Msnhinet8 (talk) 03:36, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

spongebob

• hi,you can help me build 300 languages version spongebob wikis? like to wikipedia, thanks.--Msnhinet8 (talk) 00:04, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

i very need, thanks.--Msnhinet8 (talk) 00:05, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

wikipedia have languages my spongebob wiki all have, thanks.--Msnhinet8 (talk) 00:08, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

can you help me?--Msnhinet8 (talk) 00:11, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

@Msnhinet8: Can you explain this further? This would either be achieved by 300 wikis or by using the translate extension. Frankly, I think it's a bad idea either way. You will be lucky to reach 10 languages done properly, and any more than one wiki - unless you can personally guarantee that the wikis will go somewhere - is not a good use of system resources. I'd suggest focusing only on bettering the original and proving the alternate language concept with one other language you are decent in, instead. Build responsibly. 10, 100, let alone 300 is not a practical goal given the spongebob wiki's audience on Miraheze right now. Please also note I was able to see this with one message - this reply comes no faster with four, and is indeed delayed by my needing to refresh to post. --Raidarr (talk) 00:12, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

ok, you can help me 10 languages wiki?--Msnhinet8 (talk) 00:14, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

What do you mean by 'help'? Also, you should stick with developing them one at a time, doing each language justice instead of making many 'stub wikis'. --Raidarr (talk) 00:15, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

but the 10wikis need all use Exempt from Inactivity, thanks.--Msnhinet8 (talk) 00:17, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

None of them will be exempted unless they have a significant amount of content to them that shows a clear need to be exempted. --Raidarr (talk) 00:19, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

• i can one day create a one wiki,thanks.(chinese:一天申請一種語言)--Msnhinet8 (talk) 00:20, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

  Do you mean create one wiki in one language, or one wiki each day? The former makes sense, the second does not at all. --Raidarr (talk) 00:22, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

is one wiki in one language, thanks.--Msnhinet8 (talk) 00:25, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Yes, that makes sense. If you already have the one wiki and it is well developed, it even makes sense to make a second (ideally, in your second best language). --Raidarr (talk) 00:26, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

thanks.--Msnhinet8 (talk) 00:34, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Contacting

Hi this is RMV, just letting you know that I left Discord (about one week until it permanently deleted) & that I'll contact you here if I need anything (or to DarkMatterMan). Bawitdaba (talk) 12:39, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice, I'll keep it in mind. You're also welcome to show up on IRC if that might be more your cup of tea (though I'm less present there). --Raidarr (talk) 12:41, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

I tried to find you on #miraheze but I couldn't see where you were. Which channel(s)? Bawitdaba (talk) 13:21, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

If I'm online #miraheze is as good as any, but I'm only on intermittently. --Raidarr (talk) 14:47, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Okay I made Libera.Chat account. I tend to only log on while active, but I did send you a few messages (I'm not sure if you've received them). Bawitdaba (talk) 21:25, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

sonic.miraheze.org

Hi raidarr, there's a Sonic the hedgehog wiki here. The wiki has not been closed (due to small edits to keep it alive), but the main admin has been inactive for about 2 1/2 months. I messaged in late March, but doesn't appear they've seen it. Do you know what to do? I guess I mostly wanted to see if a custom logo or favicon could be made for the wiki. (Keep in mind though, I'm a lot more a Mario than a Sonic guy -- it was the Megaman Wiki on Miraheze that got me to take notice).

Tricky to go about things as I wouldn't want to do too much without the main admin's permission. Bawitdaba (talk) 17:24, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

@Bawitdaba: looking into this, the founder seems pretty "DOA" - he showed up, asked for a wiki, did a couple of edits and forgot about it, so I'm afraid the management there is probably screwed from the start. I'm comfortable being a backup contact for minor/uncontroversial ManageWiki/administrative tasks until someone can go ahead and get it together. If you link to what you'd like to see as the favicon/logo I can give it a look and hopefully get it done before too long. --Raidarr (talk) 13:22, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

So I can have a go at a favicon and a logo for you to possibly add then? Bawitdaba (talk) 13:42, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Actually, do you have global notifications on? It might be easier for me to contact you about this on the Sonic wiki itself. @DarkMatterMan4500: are you also interested in styling/adding to the Sonic wiki? Bawitdaba (talk) 16:47, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Have a go if you wish, and we can take a look (DMM's input is welcome as well). Indeed I do have global notifications on. These days I haven't been as active as I'd like, but will still attempt to act in reasonable time. --Raidarr (talk) 16:50, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Okay, I messaged you on the Sonic wiki. If it weren't for some small edits in between I think it would have been marked as inactive per the Dormancy Policy. Bawitdaba (talk) 17:20, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Bawitdaba Why yes, of course I'd be interested in adding more content to the pages when I get the chance to. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 18:42, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

@Raidarr: @DarkMatterMan4500: Actually, come to think of it, I'm prob going to wait for the wiki to become dormant before considering to do anything on it. Even then I do a lot of other wikis, and I think I have expressed the concern that I don't want to look as if this is some subversive attempt to create a consolidated entity. That's why I didn't ask the Megaman Wiki if they wanted to be part of Miraheze Gaming Services -- just if they wanted to affiliate with SSB Wiki. Bawitdaba (talk) 14:37, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

User:Matttest illegally tampered with the system to expand his authority

As the administrator of unbooks, I found that my permission to delete pages is restricted.
Miraheze's dispute over unbooks has not been resolved, but another administrator has repeatedly illegally tampered with the system to expand his authority. Is this an acceptable phenomenon?

I am very disappointed with miraheze, I plan to migrate the website I manage and manage, because miraheze's biased and unfair attitude makes me unable to trust this is a safe place.
I will not allow the site I run to be taken over by others, I will keep it private and maintain a minimal editorial record as permitted by the system.

I don't expect the unbooks to be returned to me, but how long does miraheze plan to acquiesce to User:Matttest's repeated illegal tampering with system augmentation and interfering with other administrators? 黑底屍 (talk) 03:01, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

@黑底屍: May I know which page you want to delete? It seems the pages you want to delete are serious pages that require community consensus before deleting. Per the log shown in unbooks, you have only created 2 article pages that are already edited by others, so the reason "author request" won't work. Raidarr, please comment on this issue. What he is trying to do is to delete all the pages in unbooks just because of his selfishness. Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 06:42, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

I am highly disappointed in both this quibbling, but I'm also very sorry that resolution has had to wait this long. At this point I'm persuaded to simply take over the case and put up a discussion about the wiki's vision to settle it. It's obvious neither of you remotely agree how the wiki should be run. One is the founder who started it off, but let the wiki fall to Dormancy Policy and adoption, resulting in the other getting in, and it's obvious that hasn't been pleasant at all. You are both' "the administrator". Technically you are both admins overseen by Stewards but no Steward has had the time to make that work and I regret that arrangement being made and left to fester.

@黑底屍: it's difficult to consider your vision when you've been rebellious in every step of the process, keep trying to knock the wiki down when you're not getting your way by various means like the interwiki prefixes, and overtly condemn Miraheze while trying every option to get away from it and just haven't because there's nothing else quite powerful enough in hosting to do it. I need an immediate answer: are you going to develop unbooks as a project on miraheze with collaboration, possibly working with Matt, or are you leaving and that is the end here? Matt should not use his powers to block reasoned deletion, but if you are mass deleting pages then you yourself are tampering with the content to try and destroy it and that's not going to work. If that's all you want to do on unbooks at this point, I ask that you resign by response here now to end the dispute and encourage continuing to look at other platforms. That's "if" - I'll look more closely at what both of you have been doing hopefully this afternoon, if not that tomorrow and that is a promise I will keep on my own time.

If not and we can collaborate/build up the wiki, I want to start up a discussion locally soon. It will be me asking what you two individually are doing (looking over recent actions) and what you want to do with the project with my questions then put to whatever community is still there, not you two replying to/fighting with each other. I can't promise I'll have it up today but I'll have a realistic idea of having it up well before Saturday. This isn't a common issue and I'm not perfectly confident in working it out myself, but it needs to be worked out because it's gone on for a hell of a lot longer than it needed to. --Raidarr (talk) 08:39, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

I only ask, can an ordinary netizen tamper with the system repeatedly to expand the authority that did not belong to him? Is this allowed?

unbooks is a website created by me. Although I neglect to take care of the editor, I have not agreed to adopt someone who is not suitable, not to mention that this person has a personality flaw of moral cognition.

uncyclopedia does not have to rely on miraheze to survive and operate. Uncyclopedia is a well-known website set up privately by netizens, but if miraheze poses an uneasy factor and threat to the security of uncyclopedia, it cannot provide proper protection.

As the operator of uncyclopedia, I will give up miraheze without thinking to protect the safety of uncyclopedia. And on my unbooks dispute, I see that miraheze is incompetent and unfair.

I'll be doing a site migration soon, because miraheze is not a safe wiki farm, and I'll convince uncyclopedia administrators in other countries to consider dropping miraheze as well.

In the future uncyclopedia will no longer be the hosting site of miraheze, officially informed.--黑底屍 (talk) 13:06, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

@黑底屍: You have no interest in pursuing wikis on Miraheze going forward, is this correct?

Follow up question, do you have any interest in developing Unbooks as it is either collaboratively with Matt or with him at the very least a not-blocked user?

Matt holds access because as you were informed in the first place, you sacrificed absolute control when the wiki went inactive under Dormancy Policy. This was a term present in the beginning and the present - someone has always been able to become an operator when the original operator 'drops the ball'. While the way he attained admin was superficial and would take more steps to do now, he has a vision not out of line with the wiki's original request and he simply has different ideas for how to run it. I do not see evidence that he has necessarily tried to destroy it, only operate it in a different way which is recognizable to other, larger wikis on the internet. So his position cannot and will not be discounted completely, what matters now is if you are remotely able to set that aside and work with it or if you're just going to leave. If you're just going to leave, do I have your resignation? --Raidarr (talk) 12:53, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

I have always told User:Matttest that he does not understand the theme of the founding of unbooks. Unbooks is a separate theme site from uncyclopedia. User:Matttest's purpose is not to run unbooks, but to seize control of uncyclopedia.

In fact, uncyclopedia has always been a private interest website founded by netizens. It is not operated by a corporate legal person like Wikipedia. User: Matttest He wants to be the webmaster of uncyclopedia. He can create one by himself. The ability to operate, just like I open a grocery store, he can also open a grocery store to compete with me, the general market competition.

But he just wants to illegally seize the uncyclopedia that I have been running for many years and have built up a brand name. This is the truth that I have been telling miraheze repeatedly, but it has not received miraheze's attention and attention.

User:Matttest took over the management of unbooks. His mind was only on how to exclude me from politics, not on building and operating unbooks, and he didn't know what the theme of unbooks was.

This is also the reality of my repeated reaction with miraheze, and it is not taken seriously.

Now there are only two options:

If miraheze wants to continue to let User:Matttest manage unbooks, then I can only withdraw the entire uncyclopedia from miraheze and end the hosting relationship. I also paid the administrators of uncyclopedia in other countries to help me set up a new Chinese version of uncyclopedia. uncyclopedia is actually an international organization.

Otherwise please return the unbooks to me, as User:Matttest is not suitable to run unbooks.

In fact, I have already started to prepare for the relocation. I know what miraheze's attitude is. I will share the situation I encountered in miraheze with the administrators of uncyclopedia in other countries, and let them evaluate and consider for themselves. Do not continue to entrust the maintenance of the site to miraheze.

Oh,This is not a threat but information sharing among netizens.--黑底屍 (talk) 01:36, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Let's see if miraheze is going to continue to cover up a violating user who has repeatedly illegally tampered with the system to expand his authority that does not belong to him? Or do you want to force a well-known website to simply end the hosting relationship to protect itself?

This is a very simple multiple choice question, although I know which one miraheze will actually choose, but I still want to see how miraheze will actually choose?--黑底屍 (talk) 01:53, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

How many times I have said the word “uncyclopedia” during the dispute compared to “unbooks”? The fact is that I have seldom mentioned “uncyclopedia” in the arguments, while I often say “unbooks”. We are now talking about the unbooks’ dispute, but you deviated the topic by something unrelated. Unbooks is a wiki that have great potential to grow, especially under the previous ages at wikia that lots of people edited it when you are not a sysop, but due to your poor management, the number of editors have significantly dropped. This pretty much proves that your policies implemented (I want to delete then delete, I want to rewrite then rewrite) is not a good behaviour for a wiki community to grow. Instead, I have great improvement plans for unbooks to reform it and to attract new editors. When you say that I am not familiar with the topic, you need to give out evidences but unfortunately you didn’t and keep making unsupported personal attacks. I have recently contributed to unbooks’ a lot by adding new contents, creatin new pages and drafted a few local policies that is likely to help unbooks. How about you? It seems you just leave the wiki alone even I stopped the chat with you in unbooks. So and so, you are just making unsupported personal attacks, disrespecting contributors, unfamiliar and even violated the Code of Conduct, making threats to miraheze, and tons of other bad behaviours as stated in your unbooks’ vote. Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 08:01, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Croc Wiki & Dormancy Policy

Did I mention Croc Wiki on the Dormancy Policy page? To add to things, it's a very small franchise, so should take up minimal storage on Miraheze servers. It's still a WIP, true -- it just that I find it "the most important" (note the quotes used as an expression) part of Miraheze Gaming Services because it's the mascot wiki. Bawitdaba (talk) 21:04, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi, sorry for letting this slide. I have a few other items to complete, but I hope to at least make progress on the DP exemptions you requested (including the rest of the list on the SN) before Monday barring any complications. --Raidarr (talk) 18:50, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Any updates? Bawitdaba (talk) 23:34, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

I believe I left a response on the SN. I'll look for in a bit, hoping it didn't get lost in the tabs. --Raidarr (talk) 00:55, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Got it. The thread was archived and I restored it, adding my answer on top. Admittedly it was a bit buried and I should have pinged properly, my apologies. --Raidarr (talk) 01:46, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

No worries, thank you for your help Bawitdaba (talk) 02:19, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Is this allowed?

On the Phineas & Ferb Wiki, DarkMatterMan did a self-nomination for administrator and bureaucrat rights. I voted support, but I wanted to see what a steward thinks about this. I don't know if it goes with the dormancy policy (with Nintendo Wiki, as far as I know, the wiki was closed and had to be opened for me to run for administrator. However, P&F wiki is not closed. Bawitdaba (talk) 15:48, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

@Bawitdaba: A lot of people do this with the local administrators being inactive and haven't been active for a long time. Local elections happen for that purpose. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 16:29, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Ok thank you for explaining. I wonder how long a local election generally is. I think mine was either one or two weeks Bawitdaba (talk) 16:33, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

As DarkMatterMan states yes, this is a normal and typically healthy way for wikis to remain operable when their founders/management disappear (which was definitely the case for this wiki). There's a page describing the general process involved here. I also left an inquiry locally. --Raidarr (talk) 18:48, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

It's true that I have been eyeing Sonic wiki a bit (part of why i asked), but I'd probably prefer to focus on the stuff that I'm already doing. Some updates on the wikis that I've been working on (not necessarily the main 'crat of), if you're interested to hear:

• DMM's Kirby wiki & my Pokemon wiki each have over 100 articles
• Metroidpedia has about 30 articles
• Mariopedia has over 1,100 articles (a couple of hundred are endangered mariowiki articles on Smash bros that need to be formatted for the wiki, so the wiki is still under construction; Mariopedia, although may seem, is not part of MGS actually)
• Nintendo wiki has nearly 300 articles
• Smash Bros Wiki has over 400 articles
• Dragon Quest Wiki has over 50 articles
• Square Enix Wiki has around 20 articles
• Croc Wiki has over 400 articles -- it's a fork of a Fandom wiki & it's still under renovation

Miraheze gaming services -- i was going to say that i see it like a "shining star" of Miraheze, along with Qualitipedia, although the wikis I do are like for actual coverage/documentation on select video game franchises just as a dedicated wiki would do (e.g. Halopedia is a dedicated wiki on the Halo franchise) rather than lists of generally accepted opinions (that's more Dark Matter's thing than mine). There is perhaps one more wiki (i don't want to say publicly what it's of, however, but it's not a Sonic one) that I am looking to make, likely also with its own custom domain. But yeah, hopefully this all goes well in the long run. I'm already very, very happy with all these wikis I get to do. Thank you so much to you, Dark Matter, and the Miraheze team for making this a reality :) Bawitdaba (talk) 19:39, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi

I replied minecraftbe main talk page. LisafBia (talk) 13:53, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

@LisafBia: thank you, I've replied in turn. --Raidarr (talk) 23:27, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I replied again. LisafBia (talk) 19:41, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Alright, @LisafBia: it's done. --Raidarr (talk) 12:00, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Can I please be unblocked immediately from the Best TV Shows & Episodes Wiki, Terrible TV Shows Wiki, Greatest Movies Wiki, Awful Movies Wiki, Crappy Games Wiki, and Loathsome Characters Wiki?

Why? It is because of the fact that in December 2021, you changed my block settings to today, which was incredibly nice and generous of you, thus there were one hundred eighty seven days until my long block was going to expire. But no, you waited until the very end of my block (five days) to change my block settings to indefinitely, which was incredibly mean-spirited and bad, even by your and Qualtipedia's standards. Granted and justified, that RFC about banning me unfortunately succeeded, but still. Keep in mind that I incredibly want and need to be unblocked immediately from the BTS&EW and TTS&EW wikis as I incredibly very miss editing those wikis and the SpongeBob SquarePants articles there and want to edit the articles that were published on my block. For The Loud House, I really want to edit the TTS&EW article, since that is my favorite article to edit there, and very incredibly want to edit the articles after I was blocked and really want to get the Strife of the Party restored so badly. Keep in mind there's a massive edit to the show's page on TTS&EW wiki that I have been working on for seven months and really need to get unblocked so I can publish it, though it's not complete yet. For The Fairly OddParents, I really very badly want to edit those pages again and want to edit The Fairly OddParents: Fairly Odder article. And can you please unblock this user since he is not a sockpuppet of me and I did not create the account: https://greatestmovies.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/MarioBob_PixarPants . Can you please restore all of these deleted blogs from LCW: https://loathsomecharacters.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Blog:Should_SpongeBob%27s_Road_to_Christmas_from_SpongeBob_SquarePants_and_all_of_the_other_Christmas_specials_from_that_series_be_added_on_the_Best_TV_Shows_Wiki%3F&redlink=1#/editor/all, https://loathsomecharacters.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Blog:My_predictions_for_The_Loud_House_episode_Save_Royal_Woods!.&redlink=1#/editor/all, https://loathsomecharacters.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Blog:Hints_that_Season_6_of_The_Loud_House_will_be_massive_improvement_over_Seasons_4_and_5_for_many.&redlink=1#/editor/all, https://loathsomecharacters.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Blog:Can_Flip_from_The_Loud_House_be_added_on_the_Incredible_Characters_Wiki.&redlink=1#/editor/all, https://loathsomecharacters.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Blog:What%27s_your_opinion_on_Season_6_of_The_Loud_House%3F&redlink=1#/editor/all. And I don't want to be globally blocked from Miraheze and regret doing most of the bad things that I did in the past and am a user who is here to build wikis. MarioBobFan (talk) 19:29, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

You have been banned by community vote and unanimous consensus of Qualitipedia management (bureaucrats and all active admins) for long-term disruption which you have not at all corrected over your many opportunities including the block reduction I had offered in the past. Please do not speak of appeal until next year at the earliest. When you do appeal, please bring substantive evidence that your conduct has improved including evidence at other communities unrelated to QP. You will be able to do this because you are not globally restricted on Miraheze. If you did not want your block to be indefinite, you should not have acted in a way leading a huge portion of the community to want you gone.

In other words: appeal declined. Please do not 'admin shop' to other bureaucrats as it will only reduce the chances you will be taken seriously. --Raidarr (talk) 19:35, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

OK. MarioBobFan (talk) 19:38, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Can I please be unblocked on the Fresh Websites Wiki and Rotten Websites Wiki?

Because of the fact that they were closed and will most likely be deleted six months later in December (Christmas time). This is my last edit here before I go on break. MarioBobFan (talk) 23:17, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

As Raidarr mentioned previously, you will not be unblocked until you show signs of improvement. Please stop spamming message boards. I don’t speak for any of them, but if you continue I’d bet that Meta functionaries may be forced to pursue further action. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 23:21, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Surely you realize that closure means closure to everyone and it is not even technically possible for you to be permitted an edit even if the block was not clearly binding there. --Raidarr (talk) 23:26, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Wiki creation policy limit

Is there a rule on how many wikis one can request on Miraheze? I don't think I've seen any clear rule on this. I just wonder because I requested Rarepedia (it was approved), and I didn't want it to seem as if I am stressing the service with too many wiki requests, especially as I'm trying to establish them. I guess it's kind of a parallel to the Qualitipedia network, except these are encyclopedic gaming wikis. Bawitdaba (talk) 23:31, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

There is not a formal limit, but it's not unprecedented for wiki creators to check, realize someone's created many wikis and say 'hold up there...' typically in cases where people repeatedly request, make few edits on and then abandon the wiki. If what you're making has decently substantial content and an audience I see no issue. I will say if they are all say, content mirrors of existing wikis (ie, fandom or third party hosted content) then I'd advise working on making the existing ones more unique rather than try to make more for quantity or coverage's sake. --Raidarr (talk) 01:48, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

I gave some updates above with the wikis that I'm doing. Also, I do admit I reuse individual articles from Fandom and elsewhere, but I give credit to the original source (within terms of CC-BY-SA license) and try to add my original spin on article or elaborate upon it. So I actually don't like to import stuff from Fandom directly -- if I reuse, I copy manually and work on the content from there, if that helps. I have shown various communities and asked a bit before to try to minimalize the possibility of conflict, even if it is allowed within the terms of license. Is this ok? There are also times where I write up articles myself. Bawitdaba (talk) 02:34, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

When I reviewed Croc Wiki for Dormancy Policy Exemption I saw entirely duplicated pages with obscure sourcing, so suffice to say more like what you describe and less what I saw is preferable. Original material entirely I feel is ideal unless the wiki is a clearly designated successor. --Raidarr (talk) 12:46, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

So... when do I make the block appeals?

Since I was blocked last month, you said I would have to wait until early next year for me to make an appeal. However, at my time it was June and not July, thus meaning I will make my block appeals on December 1, 2021 (Christmas time! 🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄), and I should have said this earlier and this is not a appeal to unblock me, but another reason I should be unblocked immediately in the holiday season (Santa Claus time! 🎅 and Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer time! 🔴) since I need to be unblocked as an early jolly holly holiday present 🎁. And can Dexter's Mom get unblocked immediately from the Terrible TV Shows & Episodes Wiki due to the fact that she has highly likely improved her edits for many like me and the fact that she is my friend there. And yes, I'm serious and not joking. Keep in mind when I was still a user on Fandom, I was semi-infamous for milking polls on Encyclopedia SpongeBobia, putting a lot of title card/time card simlatries trivia which overfilled the trivia for many, edit warring at times because of someone (usually an admin), though most of the users there and on The Loud House Wiki liked me regardless thinking I was a good/decent user, and had a generally mixed-to-postive reception. Keep in mind I am thinking about doing edits on sites like the Incredible Characters Wiki. I am still a fan of SpongeBob SquarePants. MarioBobFan (talk) 00:36, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

There is nothing in this message to incentivize me to humor an unblock request sooner than new years. --Raidarr (talk) 01:26, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

OK. MarioBobFan (talk) 01:30, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Can you please restore all of these blog posts on the Loathsome Characters Wiki?

As Suppaii and ShawnTehLogoBoi deleted a lot of these blogs which was incredibly bad since I worked real hard on them and loved them. It's nearly hyprotical for them to delete them as they didn't delete any of my other blogs, no other blocked users blogs, and the fact that Suppaii is perfectly fine with off topic blogs since I often post off topic blogs there. I am referring to current because I still consider myself an editor there much like the other wikis. I would please love for you to restore these following blogs as you are an admin there: https://loathsomecharacters.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Blog:Foop_(The_Fairly_OddParents,_Seasons_9_%26_10) https://loathsomecharacters.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Blog:Should_SpongeBob%27s_Road_to_Christmas_from_SpongeBob_SquarePants_and_all_of_the_other_Christmas_specials_from_that_series_be_added_on_the_Best_TV_Shows_Wiki https://loathsomecharacters.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Blog:My_predictions_for_The_Loud_House_episode_Save_Royal_Woods!. https://loathsomecharacters.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Blog:Hints_that_Season_6_of_The_Loud_House_will_be_massive_improvement_over_Seasons_4_and_5_for_many. https://loathsomecharacters.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Blog:Can_Flip_from_The_Loud_House_be_added_on_the_Incredible_Characters_Wiki. https://loathsomecharacters.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Blog:Should_SpongeBob%27s_Road_to_Christmas_from_SpongeBob_SquarePants_be_added_on_the_Best_TV_Shows_Wiki%3F& https://loathsomecharacters.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Blog:Characters_That_We_Should_Add_On_This_Wiki loathsomecharacters.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Blog:If_I_owned_LCW&action=edit https://loathsomecharacters.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Blog:Should_Lynn_Loud_Jr._from_The_Loud_House_get_removed_from_the_Forbidden_Pages_on_Incredible_Characters_Wiki_and_added_onto_the_Incredible_Characters_Wiki%3F https://loathsomecharacters.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Blog:Should_Narlene,_Nobby,_Bunny,_Cecil,_and_Grandpat_be_added_to_Greatest_Characters_Wiki%3F . MarioBobFan (talk) 21:10, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

MarioBobFan I am going to reiterate what I and many other users have said before. You need to have this locally handled. Spamming global functionaries’ talk pages a not going to help. At all. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 00:55, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

OK. MarioBobFan (talk) 01:02, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

MBF can't locally handle it because he was community banned on most of the wikis and I believe additionally banned on this one. While from name alone I can support some of the removals for being out of scope, I don't see why they all needed to be purged merely because you were blocked. It's not my top priority but I have a thought of asking why since that doesn't seem necessary. --Raidarr (talk) 11:38, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

OK. MarioBobFan (talk) 15:54, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Emergency!

I don't have the admin flag on the wbresource wiki, I can't access it after I set this wiki to private. Please help to set my member and admin permissions! Really urgent! thanks Isutan (talk) 02:00, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

 Done by Agent Isai. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 07:57, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

The deal with the Chill Place

Hi, a while ago you told me here that the Chill Place is best not to be treated as a NRW successor and that it would be better to create an official successor to the NRW or reopen the original. I know this was nearly two months ago, but I need to ask, what should I do now? FatBurn0000 (sandbox | CentralAuth) 04:58, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Well the old one is dropped and the chill place has lost all drive, so at this point a proper successor is the only option on the table. There are a few ways that could be done which would be interesting. --Raidarr (talk) 11:23, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Is there any way I can move the NRW pages that were imported to the Chill Place somewhere else? FatBurn0000 (sandbox | CentralAuth) 09:23, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

If a valid destination exists, this is possible. --Raidarr (talk) 11:02, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Can you please restore a lot of the information and trivia?

Yesterday, you edited The Loud House page on the BTS&EW wiki and removed a lot of it's information such as the massive list of good/memorable/bad episodes there, which is pretty nonsensical and almost laughable, considering the fact that many fans find those good episodes memorable and the bad episodes are hated, and this it's a positive wiki and not a negative wiki, which is ironic and funny. So would you please put them back as well as the trivia pieces about the show being banned and the "As of season 5 onward" stuff. https://besttvshows.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/156467 MarioBobFan (talk) 16:38, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

I have done nothing of the sort, and have no idea what you're on about. --Raidarr (talk) 19:25, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Keep in mind it was Zangler and I made a mistake. MarioBobFan (talk) 20:45, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Can you please unblock me from the Stewards Noticeboard page?

It is also still because of the fact that I do still understand the purpose and scope of stewards noticeboard, and I could still do edits and make actual noticeboards on that page and not unstewards noticeboard requests. I have realized that the requests I did should have been posted on another wiki. Another reason is because of the fact that I also still never want to be blocked from any editing any wiki page from any wiki (that includes Fandom pages and Wikipedia pages and pages from other wikis as well) in the slightest. I also need to make a request about reopening the old music wikis and websites wikis since I want them reopened and me getting admin rights on a lot of the wikis. MarioBobFan (talk) 20:46, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

If you don't want to be blocked, don't do activities which result in you being blocked. With that in mind it is clear to me you don't intend to use the Steward's noticeboard for a particularly useful reason or, based on your other activity on Meta, that you really intend to remain topical, so I see no reason to change the block at this time.

The wikis you mention are not going to be reopened. One set was shut down closed for content policy violations and the other you have been told several times will not be reopened by individual/your request given a community vote to close them already being assessed and implemented.

If you want to be an admin, then that is a matter for the community in question. If it's for one that you mentioned, see above. Raidarr (talk) 22:51, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

A few fun facts about me.

I should have said this a long time ago on my appeal, but I shouldn't have gotten blocked from a lot of the wikis that I contribute a lot because I find them fun. I remember coming home from school in August-November 2021, getting ready to edit the TTS&EW articles since I love to and find them fun to edit. I have no plans to sing the F.U.N. Song. Also it's pretty worthless that I appealed my blocks in November-December 2021 since I got blocked forever again, and I would have been doing a massive amount of edits (especially on the TTS&EW, maybe the BTS&EW, and the LCW, Keep in mind that I still consider myself a part and a full-time editor there on the character wikis and the Qualtipedia wikis in spite of me being blocked.

I am actually here to build a wiki, as I said on my talk page on my join date on BTS&EW. I put it on a comment on a article, and have said it very few times ever since. It may not seem like it, but I am.

None of my pointers that I add to articles are sugarcoating at all in the slightest. I actually added them to articles because I think that they are true for many.

I can actually accept criticism in real life and Fandom when I was still a user there. Whenever someone doesn't like something I accept their opinion. MarioBobFan (talk) 09:42, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

MarioBobFan: You don’t seem to have gotten the message. The wikis you are blocked on will not be accepting an appeal until the New Year at the least. Countless stewards, local admins, and even regular users like me have tried to give you advice to move on from those wikis for a few months and contribute to other wikis so show growth. However, you continue to ignore that advice. As a fellow Mirahezian, I am yet again attempting to give you the same advice, though this will be the last time that I do.

And just because you had “fun” doesn’t mean you can’t be blocked. Miraheze is not your personal sandbox. I’m pretty sure Raidarr finds these messages irritating, so also please stop bugging him. Maybe take the advice that 10+ users have attempted to give you. Just a thought....Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 14:40, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Not to mention he was recently warned by Agent Isai against making topics like this. He is in clear violation of this warning as is now risking a block if he doesn't desist. Marxo Grouch (talk) 15:03, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

I am done making topics like this and Radairr's talk page. MarioBobFan (talk) 15:05, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Sonic Series Archive

Originally I thought DMM would be a good candidate to adopt the Sonic wiki, although he settled for the P&F one and I seemed more enthusiastic about adding to the Sonic wiki (I detailed in the local election here). Which steward will preside over it? Hope I'm not being too much of a bother. Bawitdaba (talk) 22:58, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Is there an update on this? Bawitdaba (talk) 17:06, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

whiki.online -- a blatant Miraheze copy

I sent an email about this, but I figured I'd post about this here too -- I discovered that a few days ago someone named Original Authority set up a blatant clone of Miraheze (Meta in particular) but have commercialized it and made it ad-supported. It's wrong and messed up in every single way if you ask me. It has the same user creation tools, central wiki name, everything (idk when it was first set up but). They claim to be run by experts, but don't specify any further. They also mention in their Privacy Policy that they are based within the UK. The whole thing is extremely sketchy, and I felt I needed to tell a steward about this. Bawitdaba (talk) 23:44, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

I too looked into this site after some Qualitipedia users suggested moving to the Whiki platform. Some things to consider here: CreateWiki and ManageWiki were specifically released for use in the wider MediaWiki community, so no issues there. Meta wikis have also been a thing for most wiki farms for a very long time. It does appear that Whiki is attempting to establish as a competitive platform after seeing the success of Miraheze's model. That's just the nature of the market though, and even the tech sector in general. From what I can tell, it's also administrated by a sole user. I also believe that user is the same Original Authority I recall from my time on Fandom. Sadly, Raidarr resigned as a Steward at the end of August. :( My two cents at the end of the day, I suppose. I hope this isn't too intrusive, seeing as this thread could just as well have gone to the Stewards' noticeboard. dross (t • c • g) 00:29, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

I decided to take a look, and it doesn't seem like the meta is all that similar to Miraheze. Please keep it mind Radiarr is no longer a steward. Just my thoughts here LovingHaydeL (talk) 00:39, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Initially, they did copy our main page interestingly. Agent Isai ^{Talk to me!} 00:41, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

I am guessing they changed so that they can avoid charges from you.. LovingHaydeL (talk) 00:42, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Please keep in mind that the default Miraheze Meta looks like Wikipedia's english meta. LovingHaydeL (talk) 00:45, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Does it? I don't think it does... Agent Isai ^{Talk to me!} 00:47, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

I don't see it either. ZeusDeeGoose (talk) 00:56, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

I don't see the similarity as well. Bawitdaba (talk) 09:37, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

By that, I mean it's similar. And the galaxy looks like Fandom's BEFORE they retired oasis.

(Note: I am NOT saying Miraheze is a copy, I am just pointing it out there) LovingHaydeL (talk) 00:54, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Noting here that Raidarr retired as a steward in August. You can find a list of stewards here. ZeusDeeGoose (talk) 00:47, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

I really liked him as a steward, so it still rough to see him go :( Anyway thank you for notifying me -- i though he'd retire by end of year, but looks sooner than I thought. Bawitdaba (talk) 09:40, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Eh, if it's structured off of Miraheze and policies are adopted to the nature of their wikis, I don't see a problem. It seems more like a Fandom inspired copy rather than Miraheze, with some Miraheze references. I'd honestly call this a "Blatant Fandom Copy" rather than Miraheze, if even saying that was needed. -- Bukkit^{[cetacean needed]} 01:11, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Well, I wish 'whiki' good luck wherever it goes. It clearly derives a lot from Miraheze as a model and its founder has a record of making many questions on Miraheze discord aimed at duplicating elements of the Miraheze setup. I don't see it having longevity but who knows. It takes from Fandom in terms of the for-profit/advertising aspect but not much else. QP's remnants at this point are desperate for anything and longevity is not top in their concerns. This thread is no intrusion to me, though it may be of more common interest on something like the Community Noticeboard since I don't see where stewards could really act here and there's little I could/would do on this even if I had not retired. At most if it was ripping off in an actionable way, that might be T&S domain. I've had thoughts of how a Miraheze successor/competitor could go, but it would look nothing like this. So eh. --Raidarr (talk) 02:03, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

I'll make this quick:

1. CreateWiki and ManageWiki are released in the public domain, on mediawiki.org — what's the issue with using them? If the developers didn't want them to be used, they wouldn't have released them into the public domain nor put the code on mediawiki.org and GitHub for users to use at their free will.
2. Indeed, the main page used styling used by Miraheze, but this is also similar to styling used at ShoutWiki. I will remove the styling, thank you.
3. I'm not entirely sure if anyone is aware how the nature of business works, but people are allowed to create new businesses based on the ideas of others. Whiki was not created on the idea of Miraheze, nor does it draw anything from Miraheze apart from some of its extensions — which again, where released into the public domain. It might be worth remembering that Gamepedia arose from the ideas of Fandom and in turn, Miraheze probably wouldn't exist without Fandom coming first.

The only issue that is actually relevant here is the main page, which I will remove. Also Miraheze does not hold monopoly over hosting a central wiki at "meta.domain.com", and its worth reminding that meta.wikimedia.org > meta.miraheze.org in creation. Apoloies Radarr for invading your talk page.

Thanks -- Original Authority (talk) 02:54, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

1. The extensions are under GNU General Public License 3.0, not Public Domain. However, if you follow what the license states you must do, you should be fine.
2. There really isn't much of an issue with the styling inspired by the Miraheze main page.
3. Yeah, I 100% agree with you on that -- Bukkit^{[cetacean needed]} 15:38, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Wiki Creator's Barnstar
	Good luck with your new Wiki Creator mission! Hey Türkiye message? 08:41, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Qualitipedia's future

I went to check on Qualitipedia and it's shutting down, almost everyone agreed to it, its userbase, Miraheze staff, even Grust, all finding it to be broken beyond repair with its drama and even tarnishing Miraheze's reputation. I agree with shutting down the existing sites, but I do not think its concept of listing reasons as to why some are guaranteed to like or dislike a piece of entertainment is inherently broken, it could still work, it doesn't have to be biased, based around reception or something claiming "X is objectively good/bad". We can start fresh and reboot from the ground up, taking what I deem to be the best of QP. You were right that my wikis should've been merged to avoid stirring up more drama. As for my inactivity, it's more of laziness, lack of time, not thinking about it and me focusing on other things in life like Reddit. Thoughts? FreezingTNT (talk) 22:44, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

I think no matter how great your sales pitch is for a grand new reception wiki, it is going to attract a certain audience that will inevitably damage the noble intention and make it unsalvageable. The best of QP is smoke and mirrors, the entire thing is fundamentally problematic without swapping out the community, the formula, and the stigma. In other words it is preferable to do something entirely different and not attempt to continue 'Qualitipedia' as it is known. The pretense of "listing reasons as to why some are guaranteed to like or dislike" already begins with a presumption that the wikis have fatally shared to the bitter end. It would be fine for an independent reviewer platforming a reasoned opinion piece, less so for any wiki that wants to be aggregate, nonpartisan and credible. --Raidarr (talk) 03:43, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

I agree with you, Raidarr. It's best if you do something completely different and not attempt to continue Qualitipedia. ShawnTehLogoBoi (talk) 04:15, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Dumps for Fresh Websites and Rotten Websites Wikis

Considering they were a part of Qualitipedia, I believe these wikis should have their wiki dumps provided on Qualitipedia as well. Nidoking (talk) 13:40, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

I neither currently hold, nor have interest in requisitioning dumps for these wikis. --Raidarr (talk) 19:43, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Just for the record

Regarding the situation with thePCGamer, I just want to for the record explain what is happening. Basically, after two failed attempts at closing the wiki, Duchess decided to become a semi-active contributor to Amazing YouTubers Wiki. However, almost as soon as he started, he had already been making lots of questionable decisions. Although most of the evidence of the thread is unfortunately gone, there is some evidence here that I tried to start a thread where I questioned some of Duchess' decisions which were not explained, such as removing the deletion tag from SML Movie: Jeffy's 18th Birthday, removing an SMG4 webisode from the list of good SML webisodes and putting it in the bad list because "fuck WOTFI 2021" (which is the episode name), and his constant use of plainlinks, which I feel are unnecessary. ThePCGamer marked it as resolved because he felt I was "annoying" Duchess, and you can see a bit more proof of that here. Bukkit reopened the topic thankfully, but then Duchess removed it because it was "making him feel uncomfortable." I questioned this in another thread, and while I do see how what I am doing could be seen as harassment, I feel that it is not because (a they are the one who is giving me unsatisfactory answers to my questions, and (b I do not see how a couple of civilly-asked questions would make someone "feel uncomfortable." ThePCGamer again resolved the topic, and questioned why I can't just stop asking him questions if they don't want to reply. My argument to that is this: Users should reply to their fellow users when they are contacted, especially when they are a staff member. The AYTW admins clearly do not agree with me, but their reason for not agreeing with me is not really clear, nor do I suspect they have a good reason. Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 21:25, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Fantastic

I've just been blocked from Amazing YouTubers Wiki by thePCGamer. At this point I am considering reporting it to the stewards but since you seem to have a different view about things, I'll ask for your opinion first. Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 20:40, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

you keep asking questions over and over and blatantly have annoyed users who don't want to be in thsi conversation. That is prob what happened

Try talking to him (ThePCGamer) about it. The user who loves human heads on alien/animal bodies in cartoons for no reason (talk to me uwu!) 20:50, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

PCGamer is useless. His response to a topic requesting accountability from the main bureaucrat was to close without summary, perhaps without even bothering to read it, and blocking Money for possibly one of the silliest reasons I've seen from a reception wiki admin. "I don't think you should be a part of this wiki anymore because of your questions that nobody seems to even care about.". The last question was asking the admins to administer competently. Wtf. I don't see the point taking to someone who seems to mirror Duchess's inability to take criticism or from this example, going beyond that and unable to even have a basic conversation. This is why if he hadn't resigned I would have removed him from Qualitipedia myself in cleaning up, but this was a bit worse than I expected to see.

I am leaning on Pasonic reading the post and either realizing something is off, or failing to act. If the latter happens I will consider myself what the next best step would be because it is obvious the management there is quite rotten. I'm unsure how Stewards could move forward and at the very least they would be reluctant to act in a timely manner, as the wiki is quite quiet and they'd probably rather just ignore it in favor of things worth their time. Which is fair enough. I'd want to discuss this with them individually before making it a drama on the central noticeboards. Making a mess of it over Meta is going down the same tired path that made the reception wikis so especially obnoxious in the first place. --Raidarr (talk) 20:59, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

What is Pacsonic's deadline then? Like when do you decide they have "failed to act"? Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 21:02, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Given Pasonic's limited activity I believe a week or so is a reasonable amount of time to incubate. --Raidarr (talk) 21:03, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Fair enough. That would be what I would do. Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 21:05, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Still, I checked the block log, and lemme say, this question DOES NOT mean you have the ability to remove a user from editing sitewide. T] The user who loves human heads on alien/animal bodies in cartoons for no reason (talk to me uwu!) 22:32, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm actually agreeing with you on this one. The block was completely unjustified and the question in question wasn't even directed at you. WTF? He could've also blocked you from just User talk if it was actually justified, but it wasn't in the first place. --Blad (talk • contribs • global) 22:09, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

It appears that @Blad: and @LovingHaydeL: have left two respective messages on thePCGamer's talk page. Personally I think this was unnecessary; but regardless I think you should comment there. Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 12:44, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

I have replied to PCGamer's extraordinarily inadequate response to one of the messages (the one with more substance). --Raidarr (talk) 14:00, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

I recently unblocked you on the wiki, however I feel like he would reblock you a few hours later. Nidoking (talk) 14:31, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Another issue

Pacsonic9000 just deleted the "Okay, a couple of things" topic on their talk page on Amazing YouTubers Wiki. What should I do? Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 23:09, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Ask for clarification on his talk page. We're not going to start this. is incredibly vague, and gets you nowhere. Failing that, I'd honestly say to give up, no matter how rude it is. --Blad (talk • contribs • global) 00:55, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

I'd probably go with Blad on this one, there's not much farther you can go unless he steps exceptionally out of line. It's clear he's not interested in actually managing the place properly but there's also just plain not much to manage there anyway and while there are Code of Conduct semantics for the Stewards to get involved, it would be interventionism nobody would be pleased to follow through with. You might consider redressing this topic after the results of the Code of Conduct reform which more strongly denounces the bad form that is typical on that wiki. --Raidarr (talk) 01:19, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Well, I started a topic but of course, thePCGamer resolved it. Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 20:15, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

I saw the summary. That last part was uncivil to say the least The user who loves human heads on alien/animal bodies in cartoons for no reason (talk to me uwu!) 22:27, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello? Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 20:19, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Where do you go from here? --Blad (talk • contribs • global) 21:22, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

What do you mean? Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 20:44, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

What else do you talk about here? The conversation is mostly resolved. --Blad (talk • contribs • global) 21:05, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

No it's not, I started a topic, and thePCGamer resolved it. I need to know what I do now. Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 20:19, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Quoting myself here, Failing that, I'd honestly say to give up, no matter how rude it is. I'd suggest this even more as the conversation is pretty old now. --Blad (talk • contribs • global) 21:19, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

At this point, when considering the issue is rather petty, isolated and slow in combination with the much larger issues drawing Steward's time at the moment, I don't think it would be worth escalating even though that's about all you can do since there is a clear coordinated effort by the wiki's management not to cooperate. You can, but you can expect that to be slow at best to resolve and rather unpleasant for all parties considering the same shit is probably going to repeat with something else unless you were to replace the management entirely, which I don't expect would happen without killing the wiki on the spot since there would be no suitable replacement. Everyone involved has a proven history of digging in and apparently being buddies combined with your own long history of tending to aggravate with your approach, hence my pessimism in any long term progress. With all that said I'd probably focus on wikis more worth your time such as making the other wiki a wiki more worth visiting in the capacity you can make actual progress with. --Raidarr (talk) 21:33, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

What if I talked to the stewards about it? Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 20:39, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

drop it..I guess? The user who loves human heads on alien/animal bodies in cartoons for no reason (talk to me uwu!) 22:30, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

I don't think this would get anywhere if you brought it to the Stewards. OrangeStar (talk) 23:18, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello? Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 22:37, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Again, there is barely anything to talk about. I'd give up. --Blad (talk • contribs • global) 00:25, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@OrangeStar: and @Blad: But this is important. I feel that reporting it to the stewards is the only option. Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 07:39, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

I mean, you're right in that reporting this to the Stewards is the only option, just don't expect them to do anything (most likely), or drag their feet on this, like Raidarr said. OrangeStar (talk) 12:30, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Nothing here that entails further response from me or which hasn't been covered by others. --Raidarr (talk) 14:30, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

CheckUser and Oversight

I'm curious, if you were one of the editors at a wiki that's considering having local Oversighters and CheckUsers (assume the elections will meet the prerequisites), what would you see as a valid reason for anyone to request those rights? OrangeStar (talk) 14:14, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

I'd need to be persuaded with a case that cannot be answered by 'just have Stewards do it'. The ethos and nature of Miraheze in particular means the Privacy Policy is stronger than it is on most other platforms, and I feel anyone who isn't strongly vetted by a large community (be it stewards or a very solid local community) is fundamentally not trustworthy enough to hold rights with global privacy consequences (CU) or substantial censorship potential (OS). The circumstances that justify their use I find sufficiently rare that the delegation is sufficient unless there is a well-established community demonstrating the traffic needed to be more autonomous, and that community is fundamentally trustworthy enough that the people with these rights can be held to global expectations for use. That is my ex-steward opinion, but you may find different particulars consulting current stewards. --Raidarr (talk) 14:41, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

I agree for the most part. I asked because your reply at the CN kinda gave me the impression you don't believe in local CU/OS no matter what. OrangeStar (talk) 14:53, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

I did insinuate the rarity, and I believe there is no scenario to date that would fit my expectations. That doesn't preclude it happening in the future but I believe the more responsible/at scale communities are doing just fine, and requests of the nature typically only come from ineligible, very niche wikis and scenarios anyway. ---Raidarr (talk) 15:36, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Fixing the issue

I saw your comment here and was wondering if it was something that could be filed through "Phrab" (under the best priority)as a possible issue on that wiki specifically for mobile or to recommend separating ping pages into subpages on that wiki to decrease the issue. Any answer is appreciated. Friendly Mountain12 (talk) 04:30, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

@Friendly Mountain12: my comment was in response to a rather vague proposal of 'pls fix issues' (was the gist I got from it). In order to file a Phabricator request, there must be specific reproducible errors that can be traced down to software bugs which SRE can address. Depending what the issue is it may end up being an upstream issue (ie, specific extensions causing issues and needing to be fixed by that developer). I'm not sure what your second statement would do to positively affect the issue - I'm getting the gist that crashes are happening because pages have too much going on for end user browsers, and there's not much that can be done about that except verifying that it's the case and then altering how pages are constructed on-wiki to be performance friendly. I could make a more specific suggestion if exact issues are presented, but the proposal makes it unclear what exactly the issues are or what people want to do with them. To be honest, I was browsing the wiki on mobile recently and I found the performance to be above standard for my miraheze wiki experience. But that doesn't discount further action, so long as the exact issues are marked and handled as such. --Raidarr (talk) 14:49, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Please delete my RFC

https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Shut_down_the_Horrible_Music_Wiki

Just please delete it.
Icantthinkofanamexd (talk) 13:57, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

@Icantthinkofanamexd: I do not have the permissions to delete.

There are meta admins who are aware of it and will go ahead and close/delete when they have time, unless other meta admins are available and get to it first. --Raidarr (talk) 13:59, 24 December 2022 (UTC)