User talk:OrangeStar

Translation administrator granted - 2022-11-6

Hi, OrangeStar. An administrator on Meta has granted you the translationadmin user group permission, which gives you the ability to mark updated source pages for translation and prepare additional, untranslated pages for translation, among a few other permissions related to the administration of translated pages. You should also be aware that the granting of this user group is at the discretion of Meta administrators, so different administrators will have slightly different criteria for granting. Likewise, just as it is a discretionary appointment, revocation is also at the discretion of Meta administrators and, again, each will have their own criteria for revocation.

Nevertheless, the following are some of the main guidelines for translation administrators. If you follow these guidelines completely, it is unlikely your translation administrator user group should ever be revoked.

• Don't mark or prepare pages too quickly. Administration of translation pages is handled by a system maintenance bot, FuzzyBot, whose tasks are handled by mwtask141. Accordingly, it is strongly recommended that you check FuzzyBot's recent edits and log actions to see when it has completed your request. A good rule of thumb is to wait approximately 5-10 minutes between marking pages
• Noticeboards and talk pages should never be translated. Due to the dynamically changing nature of the content on these pages, translation of these pages is undesirable, so they should never be prepared for translation. If you note that a noticeboard is proposed for translation (i.e., pages which contain translation tags but which haven't yet been marked), it's best to remove the < and > characters from the given discussion thread(s) that note the example translation syntax, to remove the noticeboard or talk page from pages proposed for translation
• Never remove a translated page from the translation system. This is not recommended, mainly because the translation page units (in Translations: namespace) remain. Instead, if you believe a page should no longer be translated, start a new thread at Meta:Administrators' noticeboard recommending the given translated subpage(s) for deletion by an administrator. Once all the translated subpage(s) have been deleted, then a page can be removed from the translation system
• Make use of tvar and [[Special:MyLanguage]] tags. The former is especially helpful with translating the displayed text of wikilinks (including interwiki wikilinks) and external links, and the latter is particularly helpful where the linked destination page is translated into languages other than English
• Consider the utility and usefulness before preparing new pages for translation. For example, additional untranslated pages in Tech: namespace aimed at explaining to system administrators how to perform certain procedures are unlikely to ever be read in languages other than English. A best practice here is to propose new pages for translation at Meta:Administrators' noticeboard and obtain consensus there to prepare the page
• Ignore, generally, pages in userspace proposed for translation. Often these are userspace drafts contain translation tags. You can usually just ignore these. If in doubt, you can ask at Meta:Administrators' noticeboard
• Bookmark this help page on MediaWiki.org. Aimed specifically at translation administrators like you, it contains very useful, well written information on the Translate extension's translation administration tools

In addition, a couple of technical limitations regarding the translationadmin user group:

1. You cannot mark fully protected pages that have been updated. If you see such a page that needs to be re-marked, please leave a note on the user talk page of any administrator on Meta or at Meta:Administrators' noticeboard; and,
2. You cannot delete translated subpages. Again, you can recommend long outdated and unmaintained translations, as well as poor translations, for deletion by leaving a note on the user talk page of any administrator on Meta or at Meta:Administrators' noticeboard

If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to reach out. Thank you! --Agent Isai ^{Talk to me!} 21:10, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

This translation extension really is pretty feature complete. I'll try to read through the help page tomorrow. OrangeStar (talk) 21:18, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Notes on translating into Spanish

Hi OrangeStar! Thank you for taking the time to translate articles on Meta, it's really appreciated. I write to you only to note a few things about translating into Spanish. Generally, we gender 'wiki' masculine as, per the RAE and per guidelines on translatewiki.net, while 'wiki' can be feminine, it's preferred if we gendered it masculine (I used to say la wiki so I was weirded out by that at first). Secondly, we try to be formal when writing so we use usted instead of tu where possible. For the last one, there's no real guideline anywhere dictating that but it's preferred to use usted as most of the articles on Meta have been translated to use usted rather than tu so we want to keep a uniform standard of how we refer to people. Once again, thank you for your great help, it's very much appreciated and congratulations on patroller and rollbacker! You're doing a great job. Agent Isai ^{Talk to me!} 17:46, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

I honestly had no idea that there were rules regarding the gender of 'wiki', thanks for letting me know. I'm used to using la, so it'll take me a while to change that. Thanks for letting me know about this. OrangeStar (talk) 17:49, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Pages

Hi OrangeStar. In your closing remarks on your RfP, you mention that too many pages are protected. Could you give me a list of pages you think shouldn't be sysop-level protected so that I can review it? I've heard a similar complaint before but the user didn't elaborate on that so I'd love to tackle that issue right now. An RfC about the top would potentially be invalid so I'd like to see what pages you think should have their protection reduced so that I may reduce it. Thanks. Agent Isai ^{Talk to me!} 17:12, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

To be frank, I think everything other than the main page and global/local policy pages (and even then, I'm open to unprotecting policy pages as well) can be unprotected, or at least lowered at semi-protection. OrangeStar (talk) 17:16, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

I've removed sysop-level protection from all mainspace pages excluding repeatedly vandalized pages, global policy (there's been occasions where people sneak in things into global policy and no one noticed until much later so we don't want to risk that), pages that are critical to global operations and whose unprotecting could damage the farm (Spam blacklist and Title blacklist for example), and pages where I wouldn't feel comfortable to modify without the approval of the group I'd be affecting (i.e. the Donate page is related to the Board so I'd probably talk to them first, etc.). Let me know if I missed something or if you think something else should be unprotected. Thanks! Agent Isai ^{Talk to me!} 17:52, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. OrangeStar (talk) 17:58, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Mistake

Hello,OrangeStar.I have to apologize fot you because I've made a mistake on rfp.I wrote "young age",but it only meant you're new user.I'm sorry if you felt bad. by Buel ·Talk·e-mail 19:33, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. OrangeStar (talk) 20:44, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hi OrangeStar. I just wanted to take the time to thank you for all the work you've been doing lately behind the scenes, you've been of great help in the technical scene with your PRs and help on Phabricator. Hope to keep seeing you around and once again, thank you! Agent Isai ^{Talk to me!} 04:27, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! OrangeStar (talk) 12:52, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Rollback

Please note that on Meta, rollback is used against vandalism, spam, block evasion, and your own edits. Rollback is especially not used for reinstating removed PII, as this is both a violation of the rollback policy and readding OS content. See Meta:Rollbackers for more information on how rollback can and cannot be used. Thank you Naleksuh (talk) 16:12, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

If you think that's PII then I don't know what to say to you. OrangeStar (talk) 16:13, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Community consensus was already formed about this matter, so no, I do not "think" it. Amazingly enough, this is the first time I will actually cite this essay. Please stop. I have already sent an OS request and if for whatever reason it turns out not to be the case, it will be handled then. You are knowingly reinstating potential OS content. And even if it wasn't OS content, that still would not have qualified for rollback, so it doesn't matter. Naleksuh (talk) 16:16, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Please note that on Meta, rollback is used against vandalism, spam, block evasion, and your own edits.

No, that's a Wikipedia policy, not a Meta policy.

The page you cited says this (emphasis added): "Rollback is primarily used to combat spam and vandalism. When such are detected, rollbackers can quickly revert all edits made by a certain user on the page." Collei (talk) 17:06, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Not sure what this is supposed to add, but it doesn't change anything. Naleksuh (talk) 17:14, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

It's only pii when it pertains to him apparently. --Raidarr (talk) 17:25, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

That's very hypocritical of Naleksuh to, according to his definition of outing, out someone's IRC contact, Wikipedia account, etc. Collei (talk) 17:27, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

The discussion happened after that RfC was made, and I haven't done it even once since. My ideas, and community policy, can change. I'm glad that you went digging nearly a year back to try to jab me, though. Naleksuh (talk) 17:29, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

I also regret having done it even then, even though the rule had not yet been established. Because it sets a bad precedent. But seriously, have we reached the point of trying to prove Naleksuh is bad so hard that I am not even allowed to change my mind? Naleksuh (talk) 17:35, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

The link is one click away on the sidebar and 12 entries down the 2022 header on one of the most substantial pages on Meta that influences global policy, for one of the rarer types of events in Miraheze record (a community ban). Not exactly deep research required there. --Raidarr (talk) 17:37, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Fair enough. Usually these rules do not require retroactively, but if you would like it to be oversighted, I would not object. Any steward can do so if they want. Naleksuh (talk) 17:39, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

It does not be retroactive because as indicated by your basis on my talk page (referencing an edit conflict on Miraheze Volunteers that never had a formal venue for conclusion and doesn't apply to this at all), there is no valid rule in place. --Raidarr (talk) 17:51, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

StringFunctions

Hola. Orange. Increíblemente, hay mucha gente acá que habla español (quién lo diría). Pues, no sé si esté sea el lugar correcto; pero, me preguntaba si es posible activar las StringFunctions (#Explode entre ellos). Se supone que debo tener el localsetting.php para el true, pero no es el caso. ¿Es usted quien puede hacerlo? Recuerdo que una vez Hispano76 lo hizo, no sé si sea acá o no. Ya me dirá

Y otra pregunta es, ¿alguien acá tiene acceso a un bot? Es que, necesitamos uno para renombrar páginas, quitar de las páginas los interwikis que ya no funcionan y borar este tipo de cosas (ejemplo 1 y ejemplo 2) que, por algún motivo, salen cuando das a "página aleatoria". No entiendo el motivo de esto, si en Fandom eso está en "Discusiones". Espero que exista un alma generosa, porque... en fin; suerte. --Alain Usui (talk) 02:06, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

La mayoría de las preferencias de configuración de wiki se pueden cambiar por medio de ManageWiki, no necesitas pedirle a alguien en específico que cambie la configuración de tu wiki, tal como se requiere en Fandom. Para habilitar StringFunctions, ve a Special:ManageWiki/settings -> Funciones del analizador sintáctico -> Enable string function functionality ($wgPFEnableStringFunctions).

Con respeto a un bot, la mayoría de usuarios usan PyWikiBot para hacer cosas tal como remover enlaces de interwiki que no sirven. Quizá se te haga útil ese bot. Agent Isai ^{Talk to me!} 02:45, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Entiendo. Es totalmente nuevo para mí eso de poder hacerlo yo sin tener que pedirlo antes... me costará acostumbrarme a la libertad, supongo. Gracias por la pronta respuesta. --Alain Usui (talk) 18:22, 22 April 2023 (UTC)