User talk:Msnhinet8

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    Small change to the RequestWiki UI[edit source]


    Just letting you know that there's been a small change to the RequestWiki UI this morning and you can check the new steps to take here.

    Mainly wanted to note that you can leave the reason field blank if you are approving a request, as it will automatically link to the request.

    Also would like to note that declining is now also done via the "Handle request" section rather than a separate one.

    -- MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 10:03, 22 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Question about enabling Flow on a wiki[edit source]

    This help request has been answered. If you need more help, you can ask another question on your talk page, or consider joining us on either Discord or IRC at #miraheze connect (IRC help disclaimer)

    Hi, staff can you enable on my wiki Flow extension? thanks.--Msnhinet8 (talk) 00:57, 21 November 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    @Msnhinet8: Firstly, please note I have procedurally moved your question from Requests for adoption to your user talk page, where it is now in scope. Secondly, you may enable StructuredDiscussions (Flow) on your wiki in Special:ManageWiki on your wiki. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 01:07, 21 November 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    哈囉![edit source]

    哈囉! --列维劳德 (talk) 09:32, 16 May 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Hello[edit source]

    Hello, I am Matttest. I represent the Chinese Gyaanipedia community to welcome you to join and edit Chinese Gyaanipedia. Besides, I can see your efforts in creating new pages at different wikis, especially the Chinese ones. You would be really helpful if you can help editing Chinese Gyaanipedia! If you have further inquiries about this, ask at here or at my user talk page at meta or Chinese Gyaanipedia. If you want to become an admin, Read our page about adminship here and request it in the last section. Thank you! —-Matttest (talk) 08:35, 24 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    我已經回復,Thanks. Msnhinet8 (talk) 12:47, 24 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Creating many wikis for yourself[edit source]

    Hi. I've noticed that you have been creating a lot of wikis for yourself lately, and very few wikis for other users. Please note that while there is no written policy for this, the idea of a wiki creator is that they create wikis for other users, not exclusively for theirself as this contrary to the spirit of wiki creators' mission. While it is fine to create an occasional wiki for yourself instead of requesting it, it is in my view not appropriate to to do excessively and with very short descriptions. I would therefore ask you to stop creating wikis for yourself at this time and instead request them via Special:RequestWiki for another wiki creator to approve. I would also draw your attention to the fact that a discussion has been opened to allow Stewards to remove wiki creators that don't respect this principle. Reception123 (talk) (C) 08:32, 7 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    欢迎您编写语言百科[edit source]

    如题。 Cnknowledge (talk) 11:31, 19 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Your edit on Requests for global rights[edit source]

    Hi Msnhinet8,

    I reverted your edit on Requests for global rights as your request for Global Sysop was malformed. I know you have expressed your desire to become a "staff" member but I do not think right now would be the right time for that. Global Sysop requires a high level of competency and community trust as it requires a vote in order to gain the bit. Many users have expressed concerns around your very lax wiki creation criteria and other aspects of your behavior such as impatience so I do sense that your request will SNOWball (fail to pass) by a very large margin. I would recommend you gain more experience and address any issues raised by community members before requesting any global right. Thanks. Agent Isai Talk to me! 03:01, 20 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    请批准我的维基[edit source]

    谢谢! PH~inactive (talk) 03:51, 21 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Regarding request #23902[edit source]

    Hi Msnhinet8, I write to you to enquire about request #23902. Concern has been raised among wiki creators that this request should not have been approved or that it should have been forwarded to Stewards for handling. Additionally, concern was also raised by your usage of the "Perfect request" approval reason when the request lacked detail and was a duplicate. May I please know the reasoning behind this approval? Thank you. Agent Isai Talk to me! 02:05, 7 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Re[edit source]

    The closure is made by another administrator, which argued with me for a long time. After I started a vote to his removal of administrators rights, he closed all wikis and threatened me that I must leave so that he will reopen the wiki. I don't have time debating with him now, since I am contributing to Chinese Gyaanipedia. He just want to make other users to hate me, because he closed the wiki because of me, even though this is completly wrong. It is him, without community consesus, closed the wiki. I have no intention to take over the wiki, what I want is to stop him abusing administartor's rights, or otherwise remove his sysop right. If this time my sysop right is removed and he is granted with 'crat right again, my time spent to reform uncyclopedia into a community-friendly website will be gone. What is left is that he will continue deleting pages saying that 'it is not uncyclopedia's style', keep adding contents that violates copyright, ignore user's opinions... I hope you don't stand on his side in this situation, if my sysop rights is removed, he will do anything he likes and removes anything he dislikes in the website, and this will affect you too. --Matttest (talk) 05:17, 26 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    P.S. Just look at Chinese uncyclopedia (traditional chinese), users who don't have admin rights can influence on deletion of pages. Uncyclopedia (simplified chinese) on the other hand, even though they have more pages, is a dictatorship state that everyone could get blocked if they conflict with the dictator which is the sysop now. Feel free to support him if you want a wiki that is non-free. --Matttest (talk) 05:22, 26 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    What I do is arguing with him with appropriate reasons, what he do is tyranny of majority. --Matttest (talk) 05:26, 26 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    在網絡百科請求行政。[edit source]

    目前網站站務十分不完善,希望閣下給我權限,我會對內容進行改造。 Wangluobaike (talk) 01:10, 7 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Re[edit source]

    我不會阻止你繼續去協助黑底屍,但他濫權行為極為嚴重,希望你會知此事。—Matttest (talk) 12:56, 10 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    他封鎖偽基百科是因為我跟他爭論,你說這合理嗎?—Matttest (talk) 12:57, 10 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    你現在在這裡有什麼權限[edit source]

    你也是系統管理員?--黑底屍 (talk) 01:20, 11 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    那你幫個忙,我想另外設立新的偽基文庫及偽基教科書,請你批准我的要求。--黑底屍 (talk) 01:34, 11 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    記得競選時過來拉票,我手上至少有兩票XDDDD--黑底屍 (talk) 01:41, 11 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    我先提一個,先批准。--黑底屍 (talk) 01:45, 11 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Miraheze的立場很不公正,無法讓人信任,雞蛋不能放在同一個籃子裡。--黑底屍 (talk) 03:15, 11 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    偽基百科的主站點在這裡應該是移不走了,但分支出去的兄弟計畫可以分散在不同的地方。--黑底屍 (talk) 03:20, 11 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    除非你繳了年費租一台伺服器,那才算長久安穩。--黑底屍 (talk) 03:23, 11 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    話說你是誰?--黑底屍 (talk) 03:25, 11 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    除非你向miraheze一樣,不定期向用戶請求捐助分攤伺服器的租金,否則你的維基家族是搞不起來的,當然你的維基家族真的企業化了,我是可以把偽基百科遷過去當你的招牌。--黑底屍 (talk) 03:33, 11 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    一台商業用伺服器的年費沒多少錢,我是不想花錢在偽基百科上,否則我老早就去租了,我又不是花不起這筆錢。--黑底屍 (talk) 03:42, 11 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    你不向用戶收錢就是開放版面給人登廣告,總之要有租金的來源,否則你就自己當善人自己花錢養wiki農場。--黑底屍 (talk) 03:53, 11 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    你弄出穩定的wiki再說,我知道你很慷慨也很肯授予權限,但是我不想把網站交給你協助架設維護了,過沒幾天因為試用期到了被無預警關站。--黑底屍 (talk) 05:22, 11 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    你可以給穩定友善的環境,我就去贊助你,想玩wiki農場不要那麼小氣。--黑底屍 (talk) 05:58, 11 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    網站架好了,確定不會某一天莫名其妙被無預警關站,我會將偽基的東西一點一點往你那裡搬。--黑底屍 (talk) 07:34, 11 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    對了,wiki的語言設置幫我設置為zh,這樣方便簡繁轉換。--黑底屍 (talk) 07:36, 11 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    但你要收容整個偽基的東西到你那裡,我看你得花錢租商業伺服器。--黑底屍 (talk) 07:44, 11 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    但如果讓你花錢只養一個偽基系列的網站又說不過去,所以才讓你仿效miraheze向用戶籌募分攤租金的機制。再不然就學shoutwiki賣版位出租廣告給google。--黑底屍 (talk) 07:52, 11 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    你是人太呆了,又老想玩免費的,真要搞偽基這麼大計劃的網站,是要花錢的。--黑底屍 (talk) 08:04, 11 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    你如果可以,順便爭取當系統管理員,除了批准可以設站的權限,也要有能關閉wiki的權限,到時候會有需要你幫忙的地方。--黑底屍 (talk) 08:12, 11 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    而不像某人啥都不會,官架子倒挺大的,只想著撿現成的。活像是個紅土共。--黑底屍 (talk) 08:56, 11 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    我的密碼?直接po在那裡的討論頁上。--黑底屍 (talk) 18:10, 11 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    你這種無私的胸襟不當系統管理員太可惜了,比起某個老想搞笑罷免別人卻沒本事接手經營的屁孩要好多了。幫我開了帳號還授權了權限,但密碼啊?--黑底屍 (talk) 22:36, 11 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    到偽基百科去,我有話跟你說。你可以進入偽基百科查看訊息。--黑底屍 (talk) 01:06, 12 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    你當初找我去你的世界大典寫條目是什麼原因,你都想不起來。--黑底屍 (talk) 09:24, 12 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    你這傢伙呆到沒救了,維基百科的事我幫不了你,我已經很久沒跟KJ聯絡了。--黑底屍 (talk) 10:28, 12 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Regarding request #24528[edit source]

    Hi Msnhinet8. I am writing to enquire about your approval of zhunbookswiki. Why was this wiki approved? Per your comments on 黑底屍's talk page, you knew that there was a quarrel between 黑底屍 and Matttest regarding unbookswiki but still allowed 黑底屍 to circumvent Stewards' current problem resolution process and made a new wiki for 黑底屍 which will likely be a direct content fork of the current wiki. The description was also very lacking and would at most be approvable with an "Okay request" message, not "Perfect request". I would like to know the thought process behind your approval. Thanks. Agent Isai Talk to me! 02:07, 11 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Wiki creation, Stewardship, etc[edit source]

    Hello Msnhinet, this is a followup from your question (and my response) here.

    Getting Stewardship and any other critical Miraheze position (the 'staff' as you can refer them to, even if the name isn't preferred) has a few critical requirements. 1, community trust. 2, strong discretion. 3, deep involvement.

    The problem partially lies with 1 and 3 - you simply are not very well known, at least for being involved in either Meta or wider Miraheze communities. You have your projects and from time to time you appear to do wiki creations. This cannot get the trust needed to successfully ask for any serious position. You would even have an issue getting Wiki Creator today - the standards have raised since just being able to ask and get it fairly easily. That is part of the problem here; as the platform grows, so does its expectations.

    A far larger problem lies in the middle though - judgement. See, every wiki request I have ever seen processed by you has been 'accepted as perfect', and the only requests I've seen you decline are ones where the software doesn't permit you to say yes - and in the meantime your decline reason is still 'perfect'. The reason field is not cosmetic - it is critical, especially in declining for both the wiki requestor and fellow wiki creators to know someone actually looked at it. In your approvals I see no evidence of review, of judgement. You as a wiki creator are the first line of approving content that suits global policies, and questioning/declining content that is unclear or problematic. How can you be trusted to enforce platform policies as a Steward if all you do as a wiki creator is breeze through the queue just approving requests without checking reason, the comments, the details? At that point we may as well auto approve automatically, and that is not what the system is for.

    This is an issue that's been discussed informally a few times but never formally presented to you, for which I apologize. It is presented now. You must demonstrate judgement in reviewing wiki requests, or you inevitably accept things which could have been avoided as a problem, or you leave us with requests that tell us nothing but were approved anyway. See the above section asking about a wiki request where that was an issue.

    If you change and put more consideration into reviewing wiki requests, your position as a wiki creator will improve and not be at risk, and if you improve consistently you may get the trust and involvement needed to become a more key part of the platform. I wouldn't look at Steward right away, but if you expand your involvement we can certainly use the help, and that is how you will get the trust you need to become an integral part of Miraheze.

    Food for thought. If I have been unclear, please inquire. --Raidarr (talk) 00:17, 14 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    @Msnhinet8: While I thank you for helping in the queue, your recent approvals do not follow Raidarr’s advice regarding judgement. All your approvals have been with the “Perfect request” reason, including a wiki which I would not have approved (#24583). Is there something we can do to aid you? Is language a barrier? Do you need us to translate our messages into your native language to aid in comprehension of the message? Do let us know please, thank you. Agent Isai Talk to me! 02:15, 15 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Two bits - 1, Agent is correct; judgement is something I was trying to stress. Without it you are not a wiki creator, just an auto approve filter. It's been done enough times that it is a problem. While we are more lax on private/personal wikis we still need something in the description and 'first use of miraheze' is nothing. You also still are not using the reason section and leave it on 'perfect', which again shows a lack of review. 2, it would be easier for responses to be posted here - I will see them, and it is easier to follow the conversation instead of going to multiple pages to see what is happening. --Raidarr (talk) 12:29, 15 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    哥哥[edit source]

    快點決定,到偽基百科給我答案。--黑底屍 (talk) 05:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    大男生的膽子那麼小[edit source]

    不過在此之前先去自費隔離10+7,看他有沒錢去付不付得起防疫旅館的房費XDDDDDDDDDDDDD--黑底屍 (talk) 05:21, 21 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    伪基文庫大部份的內容都是之前wikia其他用戶的創作,他們是以CC BY-SA 3.0條款授權,黑底屍照抄固然違反了此一版權條款,你幫他創建此wiki則是他的共犯。黑底屍已經幫Usemane洗腦洗到連黑底屍的濫權行為都視而不見,你看他的罷免案有100%支持率,濫權行為都可說是LTA了,他只是利用你幫你洗腦,到時候出什麼事把你偽基百科的留言通通刪除,再推卸責任。--Matttest (talk) 05:34, 21 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    反倒是你,你恐嚇他人,別以為網路亂講話就沒事,你的麻煩比他更大,他完全可以蒐證你的恐嚇內容,寄律師信給你。真要玩,大家可以來玩。--黑底屍 (talk) 05:55, 21 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    你當我沒遇到過更難搞的死屁孩,去洗洗睡吧。--黑底屍 (talk) 06:07, 21 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    我哪有恐嚇了?我是提醒Msnhinet明知你違反版權仍然幫你架站可能會成為你的共犯,就像朋友之間互相提醒對方。你其實根本是利用Msnhinet8來達到你的目標,之後再推卸責任。這並非不可能。還有,他用的是changeip的伺服器,changeip為了保障公司權益,Msnhinet8就麻煩了。不然你叫他買一個呀,Msnhinet8你希望作為他的搖錢樹的話。這是自己連DMCA的千年條例都不知是什麼,我卻知道,你告不入,我卻行。Msnhinet8,他再騷擾你的話你絕對可向Stewards告知,把他部份禁制。--Matttest (talk) 06:11, 21 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    至少台灣是國家(中華民國) Msnhinet8 (talk) 06:22, 21 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    很抱歉,我沒那個義務服務你。--黑底屍 (talk) 06:50, 21 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    我人在台灣,他要繼續渾扯我在香港隨便他。而且那些分家的用戶同意你搬,現在你找得到以前的用戶嗎?心理戰對我沒用的。-Matttest (talk) 07:07, 21 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    你這個人講的話還有任何公信力可言嗎?XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD--黑底屍 (talk) 11:35, 21 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    直接講事實就可以讓你玻璃心碎滿地了。--黑底屍 (talk) 11:38, 21 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Msnhinet8,我不想要搞任何動作,但請不要迫我。 Matttest (talk) 07:12, 21 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    我絕對支持他告死你。--黑底屍 (talk) 11:50, 21 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    恐嚇是使別人有合理擔憂會受到傷害,而我是提醒Msnhinet8不要中了你的圈套,是用戶間的提醒,是合法行為。 你看看此規例:「以加害生命、身體、自由、名譽、財產之事恐嚇他人,致生危害於安全者,處二年以下有期徒刑、拘役或九千元以下罰金。」,我一條也沒違反到。真要跟我玩法律,你去讀多幾年書再搞。Matttest (talk) 13:00, 21 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Stewards說會在7-10日內確認投票的有效性,你慢慢玩,我已經在互助客棧提出社群禁制你,再擴至Usemane。 Matttest (talk) 13:16, 21 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    原因就只因為你沒腦子又毫無道德底線的幼稚行為。--黑底屍 (talk) 23:26, 21 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    當然你最好真的在台灣而不是躲在香港。--黑底屍 (talk) 23:54, 21 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    黑底屍,你自己上網查查,台灣從來都沒有民事恐嚇的條文,少跟我不懂裝懂了。Msnhinet8,你如果真給了他這麼多資料,他固然協助你也可以(但他沒有協助你的理由,他只是想利用你,或者當他的搖錢樹),但他也可以隨時恐嚇你幫她架站。黑底屍,我是警告他可能明知你違反版權仍然幫你架站可能違反版權法,是一個合法的警告行為,就像一個警察警告別人隨街亂拋垃圾要罰款,即使那個人覺得被威脅,那個警察的行為都是合法的。 Matttest (talk) 01:18, 22 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    要玩嗎?想玩嗎?--黑底屍 (talk) 02:08, 22 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @黑底屍: 你的行為已明顯違反miraheze行為守則不要訴諸法律威脅之指引及政策,你要説服我,用這些題外話及你在偽基的權限來混淆視聽來打擊我的信心是沒有用的。你應該(1)針對我對你的指控進行答辯(2)找證據否決我的投票。你兩樣先做出來給我看,否則我不會再理你浪費時間。Matttest (talk) 02:23, 22 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    別偏離話題了,我再一次弱弱的問你,要不要來玩民事流程。--黑底屍 (talk) 02:32, 22 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    不考慮,謝謝。 Msnhinet8 (talk) 02:42, 22 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @黑底屍: Please stop legal threats and talking to me about money, which is absolutely out of scope with the unbooks’ dispute. Per Dmehus’s comment, I don’t think it is necessary for you and me to post any comments here. If you want to talk to me, your comments (1) should be argued at unbooks’ community portal (2) should not be out of scope about the unbooks’ dispute. Additional comments for self-defending of your actions, which is considered as an abuse of sysop rights should be posted at Stewards' noticeboard at the corresponding thread. Please do not interfere with my chat with Msnhinet8 too. Thank you for your attention. Matttest (talk) 05:33, 22 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Matttest and 黑底屍, both of you should cease interacting with each other on Meta Wiki. Raidarr and I aim to resolve the unbookswiki dispute this long weekend. Dmehus (talk) 02:30, 22 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    我已準備好隨時通知changeip了[edit source]

    你明知黑底屍違反版權仍然繼續幫他,重新給予他權限,說中立而又反悔。你想想,黑底屍為何不自己架站,死要你協助呢? 1)他不想付錢,於是利用你作為他的搖錢樹 2) 推卸責任,到時候出什麼事錢是你給的,最終所有侵權的證據都指向你,讓你背黑鍋。你為什麼要無緣無故背負可能違反版權的風險呢?為什麼你要幫助那個濫權逃避的LTA呢?是,他是中偽創辦人,但你有想到他敗壞了偽基百科的品牌嗎?正體中文的偽基人都說他建的漢語偽基只是個人偽基:[1][2],什麼文章刪除他說了算,社群無法投票當選行政員,保護和封鎖政策寫得不明不白,完全敗壞了偽基百科的品牌。最後給你考慮一下,你若決定打破中立原則,我別無選擇,惟有要求changeip下架所有侵權內容。--Matttest (talk) 08:25, 23 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    我向changeip投訴是合法行為,無恐嚇不恐嚇可言。我是警告你違反版權的行為,你自己到派出所問他受不受理你的瞎扯。你自己扮中立搞雙標,如果你一開始説你幫他我就不會睬你。--Matttest (talk) 08:41, 23 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    一個人寫了合約借了錢不還(就像你違反版權),另一方警告對方可能觸犯法例(就像我警告你違反版權),請問無論在刑事或民事上是非法的嗎?你自己想一想,我怕你去了被警察笑這都能告?--Matttest (talk) 08:58, 23 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    好的唷,另外你的中文世界大典的首頁仍未被保護,建議你改一改设置。我之後也不再打擾你啦,但我仍然會要求changeip下架侵權內容,不是針對你,主要是阻止黑底屍進一步抄襲。你若怕的話建議你可教他建伺服器,那麼你便不用怕,我也可主力阻止黑底屍,達到雙贏,告訴我你的想法喔。我也不怕黑底屍告我,因為按以上邏輯根本不是恐嚇,他要搞只會自行揭起自己的侵權行為。-Matttest (talk) 09:20, 23 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    你若做得到的話自己下架你的changeip網站,我不想看到他利用我和你的條約在你的wiki上侵權。你先教黑底屍並叫他自己建wiki,那我也不會心軟了,我絕對會向那個伺服器供應商投訴他的侵權網站。我不希望你作為他的侵權防護盾,就是這樣。 Matttest (talk) 09:50, 23 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    問個事[edit source]


    那傢伙還敢雞雞歪歪,讓他去跟美國或是葡萄牙的法官檢舉,如果他有本事的話。--黑底屍 (talk) 11:28, 4 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    真的錢我不是出不起,我只擔心我的VISA掛在你的帳戶裏頭不太妥當。--黑底屍 (talk) 11:47, 4 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    只是還沒找到適合的新地方搬。--黑底屍 (talk) 12:03, 4 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Replied[edit source]

    • I made a reply to you.I let you know because replies didn't come to my talk page.Thank you for your message. by Buel ·Talk·Wikimail 09:45, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]