User talk:Hrvcfr

Excessively requesting assistance on your wikis

Hi Hrvcfr,

I know you mean well in your requests for assistance with your wiki(s), but please do not keep asking other users to assist with your wiki on their user talk pages, as you did here (and elsewhere) or you may end up partially blocked from user talk namespace to mitigate the disruption.

You've already asked on Discord and on community noticeboard. You may relist your community noticeboard thread before two weeks are up, to prevent it from being archived, but now you just need to work on your wiki. The reality is most of our users work on their wikis entirely by themselves, in isolation. Wiki creation is a very solitary activity for most cases. Once you have substantial useful content, you can ask for help promoting your wiki, but in all honesty, if it's a solid wiki, the content will bring the traffic and the users. :)

Hope this helps,
Dmehus (talk) 16:19, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for the trouble Dmehus. Hrvcfr (talk) 18:34, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

@Hrvcfr: No problem. I just wanted to gently advise you of our best practices and customs on Meta, before anyone got too annoyed. Learning from mistakes is awesome; not learning from mistakes is usually problematic. Dmehus (talk) 18:39, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Requesting too many wikis and creating user talk pages with users for which you've had no prior interaction

Hi Hrvcfr,

Regrettably, I have had to decline this wiki request, as this would've been your third approved wiki request in as many days and your second approved wiki request today. As I said in my decline note, building one wiki is a lot of work, and takes considerable effort and time. Given your very low level of global contributions, while I do assume good faith, obviously, I do question whether you are indeed just requesting wikis for the sake of collecting hats.

Moreover, I noticed you seem to be monitoring the wiki request queue, which is fine, but your creating the user talk page of the requesting user was unnecessary. I'd suggest you instead wait until the wiki has been approved and created, then reach out to the user on the newly created wiki's local user talk page if you want to help out.

Thanks,
Dmehus (talk) 22:32, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

No I'm not trying to collect hats... Ty for having faith. I'm just excited. Hrvcfr (talk) 22:36, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

@Hrvcfr: Okay, that's great. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 22:54, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Help me?

I need help with a travel guide miraheze I want to ask for request. Hrvcfr (talk) 23:20, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

@Hrvcfr: As I stated on my user talk page, I would suggest try asking on Discord. Regarding your travel guide, I would strongly recommend against it. You do seem to be creating wikis for the sake of creating wikis. A wiki with no or little content is hardly a wiki. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 13:44, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikis and doug

Doug won't let me create a travel guide wiki. And no one contributions to my wikis. Hrvcfr (talk) 20:17, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

@Hrvcfr: Please note that I have moved your discussion from k6ka's user talk page to your user talk page, as your question concerned, entirely, your wanting to request a third wiki in less than a week. While I am not opposed to you creating a third wiki as a travel guide, as I stated in this friendly warning message, you should not contact users randomly with on their user talk pages with questions about wiki requests or requesting volunteers for your wiki. Wiki creation and building is often a solitary activity and, as it stands, you have 10 edits on your first wiki and 15 edits on your second wiki. Instead of making it a month, how about this? When you have written at least 25 content pages on each of your two wikis and made at least 100 edits on each wiki, you can request a travel guide wiki? How does that sound? Dmehus (talk) 20:45, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

@Dmehus: Sounds fair, but I need helpers. Hrvcfr (talk) 20:49, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

It is the other way round, @Hrvcfr:. You want something to write down and then you create your wiki. When you ask a technical question, you will get help for that specific question, but nobody will contribute many edits to your wiki. Look into miraheze, how many wikis have been abandoned, and how many wikis exist where not even the main page has been edited. Creating a wiki and hoping that there will be contributors is not the way. Lily (Lilypond Wiki · talk and I will listen · my little garden ) 13:14, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Alternatively, if wikis you create keep on with the same pattern restrictions could be put in place against you personally. Also randomly pinging on discord and contacting users can be seen as a form of disruptive behaviour and could lead to a ban and/or block. Zppix (Meta | CVT Member | talk to me) 13:18, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Wiki Request 14867

Hi Hrvcfr,

I have declined the above-captioned wiki request for a couple reasons, namely that or per:

1. Content Policy criterion, "a wiki must not create problems which make it difficult for other wikis." As I'm pretty certain we have one, or perhaps more than one, Simple English Wikipedia content fork wiki, your proposed wiki would almost certainly invite potential Content Policy issues requiring steward mediation; and,
2. Your currently in-force and agreed to voluntary Meta editing restriction restricting you from requesting additional wikis for at least thirty days.

You have three wikis already, all or most of which you've barely touched. You should work on those wikis, and show us that you aren't simply collecting local hats or making a nuisance of yourself by demonstrating that you are simply not hearing the message(s) that have been expressed to you for the duration of your short Meta editing restriction. When the restriction has elapsed, you may request an additional wiki.

I strongly advise you to consider your next steps carefully.

Thanks,
Dmehus (talk) 19:47, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Meta editing restriction

Hi Hrvcfr,

Despite your agreeing to a voluntary prohibition on requesting wikis for at least thirty (30) calendar days, you have continued to request wikis, despite my strongly encouraging you not to do this. In the less than two weeks you've been on Miraheze, you have had three wikis approved, to which you've made less than 40 or so edits combined on all three wikis. In addition, you have had two requests declined, after being tendentiously resubmitted. That's a lot of wikis to request, have approved, and have be declined, all in the span of two weeks. We're all volunteers here, so this represents an unnecessary gumming up of volunteers' time. Additionally, you've also been a mainstay on my user talk page and on Discord. And, while I welcome your questions, I do feel like your insistence on continuing to use multiple channels to ask the same question is disruptive. Moreover, I note you've yet to even acknowledge my prior note, which, together with your tendentious resubmission of your wiki request is both tendentious, disruptive behaviour and demonstrates that you are failing to communicate.

As such, with this message, I am converting your current, in-force voluntary prohibition on requesting wikis to an administrator-imposed Meta editing restricting until 23 November 2020 (inclusive). If you request a wiki from the posting date of this message, any administrator may block you sitewide on Meta for the remainder of the editing restriction (and perhaps longer, in their discretion and where applicable/relevant). To log this restriction, you will note a one second block on Meta.

Additionally, while not officially part of your Meta editing restriction, I am giving you a final written warning to avoid user talk namespace on Meta, at least for a month or so, given your past behaviour with respect to posting multiple times on multiple users' talk pages about your wiki(s). This includes my user talk page, and I am instead asking that you {{ping}} me from your user talk page (starting a new section with each different request or question(s)), use the {{help me}} template on your user talk page, or ask me or others on Discord.

Thanks,
Dmehus (talk) 14:02, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Hey doug, I see one user has a wiki like wp, actually I'm on it, but I know I'm restricted but could u make one more small exception for me to have a wp like miraheze/wiki? Thnx doug. Hrvcfr (talk) 07:31, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

@Dmehus: hope u get this. Hrvcfr (talk) 07:34, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

@Hrvcfr: Thanks for your question and politeness. Unfortunately, no, for several reasons. Firstly, your Meta editing restriction. Second, your described wiki has an unclear purpose, scope, and topic. Thirdly, if I've read you correctly, you're wanting YAEWF (yet another English Wikipedia fork), which are a dime a dozen on Miraheze. I'm not sure how this would be helpful for anyone really, most of all you. I'd suggest instead you volunteer on one of those English Wikipedia fork wikis and, in turn, you may find a willing volunteer to help with your travel guide and other wikis. Dmehus (talk) 12:35, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

About Requests for Comment/Closing one of my wikis

Hi, I am HeartsDo, a Meta patroller, and I marked this page for deletion because it is not Request of Commment

(Remind for what is a RfC: "Requests for Comments are designed to be an easy way to gather community feedback on certain proposals, ideas and issues and to form a community consensus.")

If you want to restart your wiki and are the only active contributor, you can maybe ask to reset it to Phabricator and a system administrator will help you with this. HeartsDo (Talk || Global || Wiki Creator) 08:23, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

To add to what @HeartsDo: said, while you can request deletion of your wiki at stewards' noticeboard, in most cases, it's best for Dormancy Policy to take care of them. So, you would just go into Special:ManageWiki on your wiki, select "private" and "closed," and the wiki should (eventually) be automatically marked for deletion in accordance with Dormancy Policy. Both private and manually closed wikis are ineligible for adoption at Requests for adoption. If you want to go the extra step, redirect your wiki's Main Page to an internal page on your wiki, protecting the Main Page redirect at sysop level, and no one will be able to (a) read anything on your closed wiki and (b) edit anything on your closed, private wiki. Dmehus (talk) 15:07, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Meta editing restriction rescinded

Hi Hrvcfr,

Since you've lived up to the terms of your Meta editing restriction by not requesting any additional wikis and constructively editing your wikis, your existing involuntary Meta editing restriction is now rescinded, as I noted here. You may now request a wiki, but do take care to describe a clear purpose, scope, and topic for your wiki. Additionally, though no longer a requirement, as you can no doubt appreciate wiki building is a lot of work, I do strongly recommend you limit yourself to requesting no more than one wiki per month.

Thank you for living up to your restriction.

Cheers,
Dmehus (talk) 03:22, 23 November 2020 (UTC)