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Edit warring and Meta interaction ban breach[edit source]

Hi BlackWidowMovie0000Editor,

I have sent the same message to Cocopuff2018, but just wanted to let you know that both of you were in an obvious breach of your two-way 30-day interaction ban on Meta. As the edits were in good-faith, I have decided not to block, but consider this your final warning on the matter. "Construed broadly" means exactly that: no interaction with each other on Meta for the duration of the sanction, even if the edits are in good-faith or WikiGnome-y.

Thanks,
Dmehus (talk) 17:49, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Dmehus: I corrected the grammar, which you do ALL the time. How is that wrong?
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17:50, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
@BlackWidowMovie0: Yes, and I realize that, that's why I said it was in good-faith. However, the two of you are not to interact with each other, broadly, on Meta. This includes minor corrections to the other's posts. You were technically the first user to breach the restriction; Cocopuff2018 was in breach by reverting you, so that is also problematic, but I am more concerned with your behaviour, and will be discussing with @Reception123: on any possible next steps. Dmehus (talk) 17:59, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Dmehus: I just responded to YOU on your talk, not to him. Keep that in mind. Also, there was no clarification on grammatical corrections, so I edited the comments, as you do, just for the grammar. And what next steps would be taken? I'm not really sure.
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18:02, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
I don't have an issue with you making minor corrections to syntax or other typographical errors. My concern is that you made the corrections to Cocopuff2018's post. That is the breach, and your not understanding that is quite concerning and, partially, why I feel next steps may be needed. Dmehus (talk) 18:11, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Dmehus: I understand now, but before I had thought that minor corrections were allowed.
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18:12, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
@BlackWidowMovie0: Okay, Yes check.svg great. Please do let me know if you wish to revisit an irrevocable self-requested Meta of not less than 30 days to help you reconsider the myriad warnings and advisories you've been given, as an alternative to one being imposed on you. Dmehus (talk) 18:16, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Dmehus: I'm open to that, just not at the moment, due to concerns about multiple things. Possibly in 2 weeks, depending on the circumstances.
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18:17, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
The above self-requested block offer has been rescinded. Meta administrators will be holding a private conclave for discussion on next steps. Dmehus (talk) 18:19, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Competence is required and "I didn't hear that!" disruption[edit source]

Hi BlackWidowMovie0000Editor,

Following a private discussion with other Meta administrators, there was unanimous consensus that, very regrettably, you seem to have difficulty functioning in a community-oriented environment, mainly related to issues around your competency. When administrators and other users express points to you, you either (a) don't understand the core problem or (b) you are not hearing the message.

As such, we do feel that at this time, it is in the best interests of the community to exclude you from participation on Meta Wiki on an indefinite basis. You may appeal your block once every three (3) months. In each appeal, you must identify the core problem(s), not specific instances of your mistakes, and, crucially, what you will do to correct them and, where necessary, what forced restrictions are necessary to prevent reoccurrence. In that time, though, I do strongly encourage you to read through your user talk page archives, and reconsider the points expressed to you.

And, as a general reminder, while you are under active indefinite block on Meta (and other wikis), you may not create and use additional accounts on wikis where blocked, per user accounts policy and as NDKilla and I have reminded you elsewhere.

Thanks,
Dmehus (talk) 18:43, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to appeal now. It technically is once every 3 months, and if I fail, great. Nothing to lose, is there? Miraheze is my life, so, I'll try and get my life back. Also, I thought you weren't going to block me, per the discussion above?
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19:33, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
@BlackWidowMovie0: I've asked another administrator to review and respond to your appeal. Dmehus (talk) 19:30, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Dmehus: Symbol wait.svg Thanks
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19:33, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
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This blocked user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

BlackWidowMovie0 (block logactive blocksglobal blockscontribsdeleted contribs change block settingsunblockfilter log)


Request reason:

I know the core problems of my behavior, of which were disruptive editing by not listening to users that are trying to help, including @Dmehus:, @NDKilla:, @Universal Omega:, and others. I violated my IBAN, which wasn't known at the time, but is now. I have requested permissions on wikis where I have barely edited, and am confrontational too much. I am also extremely incompetent, and have a serious lacking of common sense. I can rectify this by requesting a 2-week irrevocable ban on Meta, Commons, Template, and Developer wiki. I will read through the talk page archives, figure out where I went wrong. I will then be blocked from editing the main namespace indefinitely until I can pass a "Meta quiz", on the outlines of Meta's policies and what I can do to rectify the mistakes I've made. To prevent re-occurence, I will be blocked from editing Meta for a week after, and will listen to all users that try and help me, whether it's Cocopuff or Southparkfan. Speaking of Coco, I will be on a 3-month IBAN on Meta and all sister wikis. For TestWiki, I will not appeal for 3 months. I will also stick to my own wikis when unblocked, NOT editing on Meta with the exception of: rights requests/revocations, talk page messages, requesting/adopting wikis, reporting problems to stewards or meta admins, or translating pages. Please tell me if I missed anything, so I may include it in my next appeal, if you revoke talk page access. If you don't, I can include it in a revised draft of the original appeal. I am trying my best here, and I just want a place to belong.

Decline reason:

While I really do appreciate that you have admitted again to your wrongdoings and are willing to change, I'm afraid it's quite too late for that, and you could've (and should've) done so at an earlier stage. You were blocked seven times prior to this block (both partially and sitewide), and therefore had plenty of opportunities to rectify your behavior, which at the time you chose not to take. Given the fact that you did promise us you would change before but you didn't, I feel that it wouldn't be appropriate to accept this appeal now, especially since the blocking administrator, Dmehus has indicated you should wait 3 months. I think the best way to move forward is that you wait out the three months and reflect on the reasons for your block and how you can improve your behavior should an appeal be accepted afterwards. After the three month period you are free to appeal again and put forward the reasons for which you should be unblocked. In the meantime, nothing in this Meta block precludes you from working constructively on other wikis (where you are not blocked), which will be helpful in a further appeal in 3 months. Reception123 (talk) (C) 20:17, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired.

@Reception123: May I request the right to translate pages, as I can still be helpful there?

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20:18, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

No, as that would be considered editing. Zppix (Meta | Sysadmin | talk to me) 04:26, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Final notice regarding abuse of multiple accounts and notice of global account creation limitation[edit source]

Hi BlackWidowMovie0,

Following the discussion at User talk:Quarter1VCS, in which you breached user accounts policy again despite having having been given a stern warning by @NDKilla: a little under a month ago, several members of the steward team met and concluded that though your violating your Meta indefinitely block was a technical breach of user accounts policy, it was nonetheless highly problematic mainly as a result of the deceptive nature in which you requested Quarter1VCS be locked—that is to say, you presented to @Reception123: in #miraheze-cvt connect that this was a spam only account. Moreover, in your Marvel Cinematic Universe Wiki's companion Discord server, in which you present to your wiki's community Quarter4VCS as a new bureaucrat, that Quarter4VCS was a new person, which, in fact, turned out not be the case, as has now been demonstrated. Under routine conditions and ordinary circumstances, BlackWidowMovie0 together with the sockpuppet accounts would be looking at having their accounts set to locked.

However, as this was a good-faith request at exploring the potential for a clean start and because the user accounts policy breach was relatively minor (i.e., it was creating a blank user talk page on a wiki on which you were blocked), the participating members of the steward chat have collectively, and unanimously, decided to lock your sockpuppet accounts only.

In addition, we have also decided to indefinitely limit you to one (1) Miraheze global account, plus your bot account, without prior, on-wiki written approval by a steward. You should not look to appeal this global user restriction for at least ninety (90) calendar days. For absolute clarity, you are permitted to operate, as a person, the following two (2) Miraheze global accounts:

  1. BlackWidowMovie0; and,
  2. BlackWidowMovie0-BOT

You must not create any additional accounts other than those two (2) listed above for the duration of this global user account creation restriction and operation limitation.

Finally, your BlackWidowMovie0-BOT will be blocked on Meta Wiki for either (a) the duration of BlackWidowMovie0's Meta block or (b) the duration of this restriction (whichever is greater).

Thanks,
Dmehus (talk) 23:13, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Dmehus: I assume this means that I will not be, in fact, getting a clean slate and fresh start?
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00:22, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
@BlackWidowMovie0: I'm not sure what you mean by a clean start, as that only applies to editors without any local or global user restrictions or prohibitions. Under such conditions, if you had successfully appealed both your global restriction and prohibition and at least your Meta Wiki block, then yes, you'd be free to start fresh under a new account. Personally, in your particular circumstance, given the deceptive acts with SCVSlalom and the most recent accounts, Quarter1VCS and Quarter4VCS, I suspect the community would be quite dismayed if they later learned, let's say, three to six months now, that you had started fresh in order to obtain local or global user group permissions on Meta. You would honestly be better off showing the community that you can live up to advice given, adhere to in force restrictions (whether local or global), and constructively edit your own wikis (and the wikis of your colleagues), discussing any potentially controversial edits or actions in the process, over the next 3-6 months. Though you do have a rather long block log on Meta Wiki, which is, admittedly, not great, substantive positive behavioural changes over an extended period of time will be much more beneficial for you than any English Wikipedia clean start. While this is probably somewhat disappointing to you, as a positive note of encouragement, I would just note that even I jumped in a bit too quickly when I joined Miraheze, answering questions on noticeboards where I was sometimes not fully informed, which led to RhinosF1 revoking my autopatrolled flag on Meta Wiki. I made positive changes in informing myself more fully on Miraheze's global policies, conventions, customs, and practices, which led to RhinosF1 restoring the autopatrolled flag in roughly a month. Each circumstance is different, obviously, but the point is, what the community, and stewards, will want to see from you is a clear demonstration of your both hearing and implementing the suggested feedback, correcting your behaviour, and living up to any in force restrictions. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 00:38, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Dmehus: What I meant by a clean start is that I won't start over with a new account, but rather an erasure of all blocks and the logs, and pretending like I'm brand new to Miraheze, and I am starting over again. There is no prejudice against me (although I know a few users won't be able to stop it), and I will become a part of the Miraheze community fully again. I'm not saying that this is just gonna be a refresh without anything. Before that, Miraheze Stewards (and Reception123) can quiz me on Miraheze policies, and if I get a 80% or higher, I am allowed to restart on Miraheze, fully. Please don't shoot this down immediately, instead make changes to what I am proposing. Thanks, Hope that helps, BlackWidowMovie0 (talkcontribsglobalrights) 01:43, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@BlackWidowMovie0: Okay, thank you. That is definitely encouraging that you aren't looking to create a new account and start fresh once your Meta and global restrictions/limitations have been lifted. Having said that, though, no erasing logs is not technically possible. While logs can be revision deleted, it wouldn't be appropriate in this case. What we could potentially do for you, again if and when all existing global and Meta restrictions/limitations have been successfully appealed or otherwise removed by applicable functionaries, is add either a 1 second block or a 1 minute block and manually unblock that links to a thread on your user talk page illustrating that the restrictions/limitations had been either removed or lifted. Additionally, a short positive comment on the steps taken could also be added as well. I feel like this would be a reasonable compromise. But again, all of this is just hypothetically speaking at this point. You're going to need to show us that you can be trusted to operate on Meta Wiki and the Miraheze community wikis (construed as Miraheze Commons, Miraheze Developers Wiki, and Miraheze Template Wiki) without manual supervision and intervention by administrators and patrollers. Dmehus (talk) 15:45, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Dmehus: That doesn't have to be exactly what we have to do, I can work with ideas. I was thinking that maybe we don't erase the logs, but I can have a last chance here on Meta and TestWiki, plus community wikis. I have worked with myself, and 2 months isn't going to help me any better than 2 weeks, and it definitely won't help you. I can help. Give me a chance. Hope that helps, BlackWidowMovie0 (talkcontribsglobalrights) 16:38, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@BlackWidowMovie0: Apologies for the delay in replying, which has been, on the one hand, because I have been preoccupied with other tasks and, on the other, because the second last sentence of your reply is what concerns me. Blocks aren't meant to be not punitive; rather, they're supposed to be preventative. If I thought you had understood and remediated the broad concerns that led to you being blocked on Meta, by multiple administrators I'd add, I'd unblock you today in fact. The suggested timeframe above was not used as a means to suggest you would be eligible to be unblocked after that time. Rather, it was just meant as a suggested time away from Meta Wiki (and other wikis) around which you could (a) focusing on editing and, crucially, discussing planned possibly controversial edits with each wiki's local community and (b) reflect on the broad concerns that led to your being locally blocked, rather than specific instances, and, equally crucially, how you would correct that. Together, this constructive editing and discussion elsewhere would provide the necessary evidentiary basis to administrators to comfortably unblock you on Meta, after seeing that you have been able to learn from and correct the problematic behavuour. This is not likely to happen overnight, I would add. Dmehus (talk) 20:05, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I see. I will be submitting an unblock request shortly, per your suggestion on Discord to block me from all namespaces EXCEPT user and user talk (user is iffy). Thanks for your reply (delayed). :) Hope that helps, BlackWidowMovie0 (talkcontribsglobalrights) 20:13, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@BlackWidowMovie0: To be clear, that discussion on Discord occurred before and was unrelated to this user talk page reply. Moreover, I did not suggest excepting User: namespace from said partial block, and the reality is, from the discussion above, excepting User talk: namespace would also not be a good thing to do at this time. There is also no need for a formal unblock request. This can be effected, as I do see a use case for you being able to request a wiki. Dmehus (talk) 20:19, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@BlackWidowMovie0: The technical change to your sitewide block has now been Yes check.svg done, so you can, among other things, request a wiki around which you can build, edit, and discuss planned construction and editing constructively. Please ensure you do not request too many wikis in too short a timespan, though. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 20:24, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I know. That's why I said (User is iffy). Thanks - BlackWidowMovie0 (talkcontribsglobalrights) 20:33, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Dmehus: Can you approve this request? Thanks - BlackWidowMovie0 (talkcontribsglobalrights) 20:44, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@BlackWidowMovie0: Yes check.svg Done. Please remember we're all volunteers here, and requests aren't necessarily reviewed and processed in the order received. With two recently approved and now created wikis, I should think you should not need to request any additional wikis for at least a month now, as this should keep you plenty busy constructively editing, discussing, and building out those wikis. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 20:49, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Dmehus: Yeah, I was going to request another wiki in a week, but then I had the idea to make the WandaVision wiki the Marvel TV wiki, the subdomain being marveltvwiki, as there are about 14 television shows coming out in the next 3 years, and it could be possible to have all of those wikis interconnected with interwiki links, but it would be hard. That is the additional possibility. Let me know what you think. Thanks - BlackWidowMovie0 (talkcontribsglobalrights) 20:53, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@BlackWidowMovie0: From a technical perspective, that is not difficult at all, no. Even if transwiki importation between wikis was required, it would only be a relatively modest additional step. A third wiki would be fine in another week. Anymore than that and I'm of two minds on this. From my first mind, my concern is that I am enabling you requesting additional wikis with little actual editing and discussion with your wikis' communities being done, which seems to be a bit counter to the above stated aims by the technical Meta block change. From my second mind, though, more wikis around which you can edit keeps you more occupied elsewhere. So, those are my two minds. This reminds me a bit of another instance, actually, involving @Hrvcfr:, who also frequently requested many wikis. They've had some success with focusing their attention on their wikis and to having their Meta editing restriction lifted, so I might suggest you reach out to them on one of the local wikis where you have a shared presence about (a) working collaboratively on your wikis and (b) having them share tips and strategies for correcting your problematic behaviour and editing on Meta. Dmehus (talk) 21:07, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Dmehus: Symbol wait.svg Doing. Thanks - BlackWidowMovie0 (talkcontribsglobalrights) 21:08, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @BlackWidowMovie0: One other important consideration: please ensure your imports or copy/pastes from other wikis are in compliance with CreativeCommons copyright licensing, namely around you (a) importing with the correct interwiki prefix), (b) assigning edits locally where possible, and, crucially, using an interwiki link in your edit summary for source attribution. Dmehus (talk) 21:11, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, however, I have no plans to import anything from anywhere right now, but I'll let you know if that changes. Thanks - BlackWidowMovie0 (talkcontribsglobalrights) 21:12, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Request to Gazetteer of wikis[edit source]

Per approval from @Dmehus: on Discord, can someone add wookieepedia, marveldatabase, missionimpossiblewiki, disneywiki, and wandavisionwiki to the Gazetteer of wikis? Pinging @HeartsDo and Reception123:. Thanks - BlackWidowMovie0 (talkcontribsglobalrights) 22:15, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pictogram voting wait.svg Doing… HeartsDo (Talk / Global / Wiki Creator) 06:50, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes check.svg Done for wookieepedia, marveldatabase, missionimpossiblewiki and wandavisionwiki.
X mark.svg Not done for disneywiki because your are currently blocked on it. (If you mean disneyuniversewiki, this was already done.) HeartsDo (Talk / Global / Wiki Creator) 07:16, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes check.svg Thanks! Thanks - BlackWidowMovie0 (talkcontribsglobalrights) 16:21, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Appeal[edit source]

Appealing. Thanks - BlackWidowMovie0 (talkcontribsglobalrights) 19:56, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

X mark.svg Not done, based on your global Miraheze contributions, discussion activity on IRC, and off-Miraheze activity from your confirmed off-Miraheze accounts, I'm not seeing any evidence of improvement, unfortunately, that you're hearing the points expressed to you by multiple administrators. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 19:58, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I know the core problems of my behavior, of which were disruptive editing by not listening to users that are trying to help, including @Dmehus:, @NDKilla:, @Universal Omega:, and others. I violated my IBAN, which wasn't known at the time, but is now. I had requested permissions on wikis where I had barely edited, and was confrontational too much. I was also extremely incompetent, and had a serious lacking of common sense. I have rectified this over the duration of my block (2 months now) I have read through the talk page archives, figure out where I went wrong. I will then be blocked from editing the main namespace indefinitely until I can pass a "Meta quiz", on the outlines of Meta's policies and what I can do to rectify the mistakes I've made. To prevent re-occurence, I will listen to all users that try and help me, whether it's Dmehus or RhinosF1. Speaking of Coco, I will be on a 1-month IBAN on Meta and all sister community wikis. I will also stick to my own wikis when unblocked, NOT editing on Meta with the exception of: rights requests/revocations, talk page messages, requesting/adopting wikis, reporting problems to stewards or meta admins, or translating pages, for a period of 30 days. Thanks - BlackWidowMovie0 (talkcontribsglobalrights) 20:03, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Dmehus: Appeal in 20 days? Thanks - BlackWidowMovie0 (talkcontribsglobalrights) 20:03, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@BlackWidowMovie0: There's no specific timeframe. I can't say whether twenty (20) days would be sufficient. I have my doubts, personally, based on your editing activity thus far and tendency to socialize in #miraheze connect and #miraheze-cvt connect. You are already able to edit your own wikis, and other wikis, but your global contributions don't support that. Plus, edits like this suggest you're not hearing what has been said to you. As such, to help guide you to positive editing, I'm reblocking you sitewide on an indefinite basis, and pulling your talk page access. I'll restore it in sixty (60) days (inclusive) of today, possibly sooner if I see positive improvements being made. Dmehus (talk) 20:11, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]