Talk:Terms of Use

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Suggestions to change content of ToS[edit source]

change from:

"You agree to let Miraheze personnel access your Wiki's content, change your Wiki's configuration, and remove or modify content in violation of Miraheze policy, for the purpose of providing service and subject to our Privacy Policy."

to:


"You agree to let Miraheze personnel access to your Wiki's content, change its settings, and change or delete content that violates policy, for the purposes of providing services and subject to our Privacy Policy." Zppix (talk) 17:47, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

I think we should mention in the ToS that "If your wiki does not have equivalent rules, Code of Conduct applies on all wikis". Of course, this should be kind of more formal (but readable tones) anyway. — revi 18:01, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Serious legal help needed!![edit source]

"By accessing this web site, you are agreeing to be bound by these web site Terms and Conditions of Use, all applicable laws and regulations, and agree that you are responsible for compliance with any applicable local laws. If you do not agree with any of these terms, you are prohibited from using or accessing this site. The materials contained in this web site are protected by applicable copyright and trademark law."
There needs be option for banning users from reading pages for direct violations of these Terms. 83.24.11.236 21:42, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

We can technically speaking prevent people from accessing the site (based on ip) but don't really see a need to. People agree to the terms by accessing the site. We have no real obligation (or ability to force them to agree), but we can choose to prevent access (or enforce other sanctions) against people that express they're disagreement to the policies. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( TalkContribs ) 21:48, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Translations[edit source]

I have prepared a translatable version of the Policy here. Could it please be implemented? MacFan4000 (talk) 22:12, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

About disturbing content[edit source]

Hello, my community on Wikia thinks this is a great website and we wish to transfer here, but as a satyrical wiki we're afraid your ToS could prevent us from publishing content someone would deem as offensive or otherwise unsettling, such as profanity, sex, gore, sexism, racism, mockery, controversial political ideas or social trends, etc. We don't post much content like that but enough to raise some eyebrows.

Some typical examples of our most controversial content (not as much as we wished to, thanks to Wikia's censorship) would be (WARNING!): Porco Dio, a gif with a woman kicking a naked man down there, pic of a bloody death, Bambino morto, a pic with a fake newborn cooked into soup, a fake pic with a kid sucking Angelina Jolie's breasts, Caccia al negro, Anna Frank, not to mention articles about recent tragical deaths, that outraged many people, or articles about politicians or other VIPs that threatened to sue us and somehow managed to delete/block our content.

So, if we post content like that or worse (but not real child pornography nor personal infos about random non-famous people, that's taboo):

  • Will you delete/block it, maybe without discussing first (like Wikia does)?
  • Will you always assume the accuser is right and we are wrong (YouTube-style)?
  • In case some lawyers sends a threatening letter (most likely from Italy) or worse, are we somehow protected by the servers being in California/Netherland?
  • Did something like that ever happen to you (any wiki), and how did you deal with it?

Thanks.--Wedhro (talk) 06:20, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Bump...? It's really important for us to know, and if it's too much of a sensitive matter please let me know how else to contact you. As a side note, Sannse from Wikia staff just deleted some pics I posted above. The Big Sister is watching us!--Wedhro (talk) 18:19, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

But she did not delete them from Miraheze.
  • I have read Miraheze policy that bothered me, because it always offends me to assert that one person's claim to be offended justifies restricting someone else's expression. However, Terms of Use was either not what I read, or the subjective stuff has been removed since I read it.
  • In general, Miraheze should draw bright lines between acceptable and unacceptable conduct, brighter than that someone claims he was offended by it.
  • I don't like content designed to offend, because I believe that growth of a repository of information depends on serving the reader, rather than having the author amuse himself by offending the reader. This might not be a general rule, but it was my rule on Uncyclopedia, and as you have come here to write comedy too, it could guide you too.
  • Miraheze sometimes does not resolve disputes clearly. When it does so, it does so by consensus. Posting to a talk page of a policy page tends not to get measurable consensus, as debate is limited to those who stumble across it. I suggest opening a page in the Forum.
  • Don't get me started on Sannse at Wikia. At least her Wikia job keeps her from doing the same things in the California legislature.

Your fellow fallen-away Uncyclopedian, Spıke (talk)05:10 3-Jun-2018

We might delete/suppress/block/do anything necessary as we see fit, to protect us, users, or someone else. For example, List of globally banned users (incomplete) contains some of the people banned by decree.
Terms of Use#7. Content says you are not allowed to post anything that is illegal on California, United States and the Netherlands.
We don't assume one party is always right. However it does not mean we will always discuss with the community.
We have wiki-abuse at miraheze.org to process such requests. I can't talk about the details of other cases to protect relevant people's privacy.
(PS: Child Pornography because you mentioned it - we have a legal obligation to notify authority when we see it.) — revi 09:56, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, but we need to know what might happen if someone (likely from Italy) protests because we have an article making fun of dead babies (in a very surreal way, it's just dark humor), or a BDSM gif in an article about relationships, or an article about the sport of hunting black africans (again, dark humor), or a (obviously) fake new about some VIP. We don't really need any detail about actual cases, just a clear "that's not ok" so we know we must find alternatives, also because we can't hire a lawyer just to know how much the state of California and Netherland allow free satire, dealing with italian laws is already complicated enough.--Wedhro (talk) 17:41, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
We have a precedent out of England (so it doesn't reflect either on your Uncyclopedia or on Miraheze); it seems to be legal to teach your dog to give the Nazi salute when you shout, "Sieg Heil!" but not to publish it doing so on YouTube. I am strongly on the other side. Without being a Nazi supporter, this is outrageously funny because of the reader's outrage. Kiddie porn, yes, there's nothing funny about it and any web host has a duty to turn you in. Wikia has waged jihad on Uncyclopedia with nipples and butt-cracks, even in satire 'shoops of photos of historical significance.
Miraheze ought not violate other users' privacy to publish "case law," but neither should it ask users to learn the law of California. Clear statements of what will be allowed are in everyone's interest.
Nevertheless, I see a raft of Polish user registrations today, so I assume y'all have overcome your doubt about your reception at Miraheze. Spıke (talk)02:06 4-Jun-2018
Hi, I'm Miraheze's policy expert, at least on legal things. I'm also something of a satirist, having been a principal member of the Students for an Orwellian Society in university (because 2018 is 34 years too late!). Both Netherlands and U.S. freedom of speech law is very strong, so there's not much in legal terms that limits your site. Basically, don't encourage a different crime, or cause anyone harm. Otherwise, say what you will. Content Policy has examples of illegal content. It also has the much fuzzier "must not create problems" part. Ultimately, Miraheze is a volunteer effort on a very small budget. What that really means is, we believe in free speech, but we also believe in server uptime, and there's a point beyond which we do not have the resources to fight to keep things online. That said, this looks like Uncyclopedia bullshit. That's basically fine. It's Encyclopedia Dramatica that we don't want to host. I have no issues with this wiki joining Miraheze. --Labster (talk) 09:07, 5 June 2018 (UTC)