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Latest comment: 4 years ago by PiotrGrochowski in topic This page is terribly biased

Thanks for keeping Mirheze running.

That being said, I think a general discussion rather than a specific one would have been more appropriate. Robert Sterbal, 412-977-3526 Rsterbal (talk) 03:29, 29 March 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This page is terribly biased[edit source]

Why is there "The Miraheze Community does not feel entering a partnership with NordVPN violates Miraheze's 'ad-free' commitment." but not a complementary "The Miraheze Community believes entering a partnership with NordVPN violates Miraheze's 'ad-free' commitment."? PiotrGrochowski (talk) 11:33, 2 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oppose implies that. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c - (on) 11:39, 2 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
So does Support, what is your point? PiotrGrochowski (talk) 11:41, 2 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You are given a statement and asked to support or oppose it. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c - (on) 11:42, 2 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The page states this like it's the truth, it should have clarified "You are given the following statement and asked to support or oppose it:". PiotrGrochowski (talk) 11:45, 2 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This is how any RfC has worked since forever. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c - (on) 11:46, 2 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Then there should be an immediate link to terms and conditions of RfC. PiotrGrochowski (talk) 11:47, 2 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It’s just how everything has worked forever. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c - (on) 11:51, 2 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Then you should really do no more RfC because it makes no sense. PiotrGrochowski (talk) 15:02, 2 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

To elaborate on my post on your talk page: There is nothing wrong with an RfC whose structure takes the form: "X is true. Support? Oppose? Abstain?" It is simpler to write a positive assertion and ask readers to agree or disagree with it.

The problem with writing, "Do you agree with X? Or do you agree with Y" is that Y might not be the exact negative of X. It might be a false choice. It might omit other alternatives.

As I explained on the page: I voted Oppose not because I think Miraheze should not enter into the partnership (I don't expect anyone to work for free) but solely because I believe the proposition as stated was untrue: The partnership would violate the "ad-free" claim.

Do not rephrase a proposition that other people have voted on. Not even if you are certain that every voter agrees with your rephrasing, which you are not, as you didn't even ask. Spıke (talk)18:09 2-Apr-2020