Talk:ManageWiki

Page that should be translated

I think this page should be marked for translation.--開拓者 (The Pioneer) (^talk/_contribs | global🌎) 12:33, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Logo and Favicon

I'm sorry guys but I did not get how to change the logo and the favicon reading the description on this page. So far I have the URL of the logo I want to use, but what do I do with that after ? My wiki is zero.miraheze.org --Kevain (talk) 08:58, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

@Kevain: After uploading a logo on your wiki, go to your picture page (Ex: File:----.png) You will find your picture with largest size on bottom of header. click on picture, will get a link on addressbar. (such as: static.Miraheze.org/zerowiki/XX/X/----.png) copy the link and put on Special:ManageWiki(Settings). আ হ ম সাকিব (T) (C) 11:47, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

@Ahmsaqib: Got it! Thank you very much for your help. I'll add a step on the "How to" suggesting to upload the file on the wiki before doing anything else :) I tried with external links and that's why it did not work ! --Kevain (talk) 16:58, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

I suggest:

<!--T:7--> After those is the option for Category. This option allows you to put your wiki into a category of your choosing that will allow users to more easily find your wiki through [[Special:WikiDiscover|WikiDiscover]]. If your wiki doesn't fit into any of the supplied categories, feel free to make a request for a new one. == Additional Features == To access additional features, select "Additional options" in the last dropdown list. <!--T:8--> The final general option is for changing the default skin on your wiki. Any skin you have enabled alongside the default skins will be made available. The skin you select will be made visible to all users, even those logged out, unless they change it in their settings. === Logo and Favicon === <!--T:9--> <!--T:10--> To change the logo and favicon of your wiki, you'll need to : #upload the logo on your wiki using the "Import a file" page. #Go to your picture page (Ex: File:----.png) You will find your picture with largest size on bottom of header. click on picture, will get a link on addressbar. #Open the page for the file you want to be your logo. #Right click on the image and select an option to "Open image in a new tab" OR drag and drop the image into a new tab on your browser. #Copy the URL of the current page without https: ou http (such as: //static.Miraheze.org/zerowiki/XX/X/----.png) #Paste it in the Logo textbox <!--T:11--> Once you are done, make sure to clear the cache in your browser in order to see the updated image. Please be aware that the change may not be immediate, and can take several minutes to go through. == License == <!--T:12--> <!--T:13--> Each wiki on Miraheze is by default licensed under [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ CC-BY-SA 4.0] although this can be changed to another supported license. If you would like to release the contributions on your wiki under another license, please let us know so that we can make it available to you. Be aware that changing the license on your wiki can have an impact on your community and should not be done lightly.

Enable Media Viewer Beta Mode

This page is protected, so I can't edit it. The Enable Media Viewer Beta Mode setting (from additional settings > media) is undocumented. Please add it to this page. Just say "adds a toggle for the [[mw:Extension:MultimediaViewer|multimedia viewer extension]] at [[Special:Preferences|user preferences]]". Heddy (talk) 16:18, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

To be honest, Special:ManageWiki* should be the sole source for documenting what a setting does. This page shouldn’t as otherwise it will become unusably big. John (talk) 19:29, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

You seem to be confused. Clicking the help button on Special:ManageWiki brings me to this page, not to any other page. This is certainly the location for documenting what each setting does, and the page clearly already does that for every setting except the one I mentioned. Heddy (talk) 02:42, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

I'm not confused, this help page is meant to be general help for the extension which everyone can use who uses the extension. The place for setting documentation is on Special:ManageWiki itself in the form of a tooltip/i button. The fact this page already documents settings means it is serving a purpose it shouldn't but I won't be removing them until the documentation is moved over to the extension itself. This is already a task to be done under T3868. John (talk) 19:41, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

ManageWiki suggestions

For the extensions marked as Requires: Permissions - managewiki-restricted it would be helpful to note exactly what is required from a wiki administrator. I presume sysadmin assistance is required, but it's not really clear on this page, or on the Request Features page. --Gaddman (talk) 04:58, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

On special:managewiki, i have some suggestions, such as:

• I want to have ability to choose how old users need to be to be auto confirmed
• While managing wiki extensions, after installing the extension some additional checkboxes, below the extension, could be used to for example: managing that extension and what for settings that extension could have
• Ability to configure protection levels and the $wg(blah blah) parameters on Special:ManageWikiSettings
• and also a button to delete the wiki if the user is the founder, but gives a warning with "Are you sure to delete the wiki" if clicking the button.

any more suggestions?--Psl631 (Let's Chat!) 19:25, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

The first three should not be too hard to implement (the extension one might require more work but it should be possible). However, while there are plans of implementing a delete button for wikis, it would 1) only delete them from view but would not delete their content 2) not be available to users, as there should be a community consensus for deleting a wiki, and one user should not be able to delete it with one click. Reception123 (talk) (C) 20:16, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

@User:Reception123 Why should there not be any options of editing protection levels, autoconfirm treshold, configuration settings, and more? --Psl631 (Let's Chat!) 06:45, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

@Psl631: You have misunderstood, I said that should not be too hard to implement, meaning that that should definitely be added, and would be easy to. Reception123 (talk) (C) 10:43, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Already a task under T3868 John (talk) 22:06, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

"Inactive" setting (while "Closed" status is active) ?

On the main page it says:

Closed/Inactive - The Closed and Inactive checkboxes are enabled automatically when the wiki begins fulfilling the requirements of the Dormancy Policy. If either of these is selected on your wiki, and you wish to continue the project, you can disable them and continue contributing. Please note that it is not possible to contribute on a Closed wiki.
— https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/ManageWiki#Basic_settings

At this moment I got a Miraheze-wiki which status was set to "closed" (correctly so). But when looking at the wiki's settings the fact that the "Inactice" check mark was off made me wonder why it was off (while the "Closed" check mark was on). If I get it right (based on the above quote, and the initial part on the Dormancy_Policy page) the "Inactive" status activates first (after some time of inactivity). To be followed up after some additional inactivity time period with a change to "Closed" status. (correct?).
If correct. Why is the "Inactive" check mark back to off (or not disabled if its overruled by the "Closed" status). Will it make a difference if I active the "Inactive" check mark myself (while the "closed" check mark is also on)?
... Just wondering about this, while not liking to accidentally reset that wiki's countdown to deletion.
--.MvGulik. 18:08, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

We disable the inactive mark automatically once the closed mark is enabled. This is due to a workflow we use when we check wikis (we check if they are inactive, then if they are closed, meaning and inactive and closed wiki is treated as though it is only inactive). I intent to eventually replace these checkboxes with a dropdown which means only one of the four possible combinations of wiki states can be enabled at any one time (active, inactive, closed and exempt) which would also increase usability and understanding based on this question being asked. John (talk) 18:17, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Aha, got it. Thanks for clearification. --.MvGulik. 08:11, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

cant submit namespace.

who can helpme?--Emojipedia (talk) 22:34, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

If you tried it on Special:Managewiki/namespaces of your wiki and failed, I think you should ask for help on phabricator. If not, you might have checked the wrong page.--開拓者 (The Pioneer) (^talk/_contribs | global🌎) 05:21, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Grey checkboxes

In Special:ManageWiki/core I see

 Private
 Closed
 Inactive
 Exempt from Inactivity

The first three are white boxes. The final one is grey. Does that mean the final one is the one in effect? Well I would put a checkmark on top of that grey to make it clear. Jidanni (talk) 06:09, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

OK, it means "unchangeable from this web form." Jidanni (talk) 02:04, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

@Jidanni: Yes, the inactivity exemptions can only be checked by users with the 'managewiki-restricted' permission. Reception123 (talk) (C) 13:31, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Allow user to backup ManageWiki

I made enhancement proposal T4917: Allow user to backup ManageWiki state . Jidanni (talk) 12:15, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

+1. Thanks for your continued feedback on ManageWiki. :) dross (t • c • g) 16:23, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Change logo and favicon

I'm sorry guys but I did not get how to change the logo and the favicon reading the description on this page. So far I have the URL of the logo I want to use, but what do I do with that after ? My wiki is stockcarracing.miraheze.org. Zcook1052 (talk) 13:45, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Unfortunately changing logos and favicons is one of the only things that I'm not proficent in when it comes to ManageWiki... perhaps @Reception123: or @Paladox: might be able to help. Amanda Catherine (talk) 13:50, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

After uploading a logo on your wiki, go to your picture page File:Webp.net-resizeimage.png) You will find your picture with largest size on bottom of header. click on picture, will get a link on addressbar. (such as: static.Miraheze.org/stockcarracingwiki/XX/X/File:Webp.net-resizeimage.png) copy the link and put on Special:ManageWiki(Settings).

New photo

I uploaded the photo and made the url, static.Miraheze.org/stockcarracingwiki/37.79/37.79/File:Webp.net-resizeimage.pngZcook1052 (talk)

Question

How do I copy the image location if I use a iPad?--Μπέλα2006 (talk) 15:36, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

@Μπέλα2006: Just copy the URL of which the image file has been uploaded. If you could be a little more specific in your question, then I could probably give you a more specific answer. -EK ● 📝 ● 🌎 16:12, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

How do I add code to my wiki if I use a iPad?--Μπέλα2006 (talk) 16:42, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

viewing a LOG of ManageWiki changes

Is there a way to view a log of dates/names for when permissions were changed for various groups?

I think it's important to be able to review this to see what changes were made in the past.

Like for example, if you demote a bureaucrat, during their time as crat they might have used MW to extend MW rights to another usergroup like Admin, Rollback, or even normal users.

Or, even less directly, given normal users the right to promote themself to some obscure new usergroup with MW rights as a means of regaining stripped powers and then stripping them from the stripper.

So the only defense against this (and causing problems requiring external intercession) would seem to be to have a checkable log so you can overview any changes made via MW to default permissions.

Is there such a means, similar to special:log/rights ?

I tried special:log/permissions but it didn't help. I'm not sure if there's a place to look for this. ty 01:53, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

@Tycio: Yes, you can view changes to Special:ManageWiki/permissions in the ManageWiki log on your wiki. Changes to user group permissions will be prefaced with a notation of a change to the group metadata for groupname. You would then use this log together with the user rights log that shows when a user assigned themselves a given group. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 02:54, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

introducing shorthand names for UserGroups for putting after the ListUsers command

The default groups seem to have these. For example:

• "Chat moderators" = chatmod
• "Bureaucrats" = bureaucrat
• "Administrators" = sysop

These seem to be something I recall picking up over time by examining URL readouts when clicking these groups...

What I'd like to know is if there's a way to choose these URL shorthands assigned to permission groups.

Like say for example I want Special:ListUsers/crats to direct to bureaucrats instead of (or in addition to) the traditional /bureaucrat appending.

When you create a new custom user group these seem to be automatically generated based on the display name...

There doesn't seem to be a way to edit a usergroup name (prob a good security feature to avoid shenanigans) so the solution I guess might be to delete a usergroup and recreate it with a desired name change. That name could be chosen to be concise so as to generate a short ListUsers extension. Like for example what I'm fiddling with now, "Warned" is a better name than "Warned Users" because latter generates an ugly hard-to-type /warned_users URL.

• I can't seem to figure out how to delete groups though, because "delete this group" checkable box in the "Submit" field only appears in the permissions of the default groups... there's no box to check to delete a group in the newly created ones... so I can't figure out how to get rid of the "warned users" group I want to replace with the "warned" group, what's the deal?
  • actually never mind, as mentioned in my comment at https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T5827 this seems to be some kind of bug where to actually delete a group you need to give it at least 1 permission for the database to recognize it as deleteable, which also solves the problem of making it recognizable to Special:UserRights command so you can actually utilize the "Assignments" permissions. ty 02:55, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm kinda wondering how long it takes for permissions changes to take effect though because I created a "Warners" group (with exclusive permission to promote others to Warned status) and then gave Bureaucrats permission to promote others to "Warners", yet when I target myself with Special:UserRights there is no box available to check for "Warners".

I'm thinking maybe there's some delay where you need to refresh or clear a cache for the new box to display? Otherwise if we can't interact with new groups there isn't much use to adding them... ty 02:25, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

@Tycio: The group names like bureaucrat and sysop are the actual names of the user groups as defined within the wiki database. The names like "Bureaucrats" and "Administrators" can be changed by modifying the applicable interface messages. For example, MediaWiki:Group-bureaucrat defines the displayed text of the user group in the drop-down lists, whereas MediaWiki:Group-bureaucrat-member defines the name of the user group name assigned to each user in the list of users at Special:ListUsers/bureaucrat. MediaWiki:Grouppage-bureaucrat defines the page name location of your user group's documentation page. The only way, currently, to rename a group would be to create a duplicate called, say, crat, define the interface messages using MediaWiki:Group-crat, MediaWiki:Group-crat-member, and MediaWiki:Grouppage-crat, then remove all user rights for the former bureaucrat group and delete the group. Before completing this last step, though, you should take care to ensure that you've added all existing bureaucrats to the new crat group. As to possibly having group name aliases, this would be a feature request for ManageWiki you'd need to request on Phabricator. Create a task with normal priority, assigning the ManageWiki project to it, and then a system administrator will triage the task and give it consideration. Dmehus (talk) 03:02, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

P arenthesis and Shortcuts

@Dmehus: okay so this seems like something you can change manually (like an article) and it shows up in user contributions history, as opposed to something I would alter via Special:ManageWiki. I did a test with this changing "Bureaucrats" to "Crat" and the outcome seems to be that it alters what displays in the dropdown menu for Special:ListUsers while the URL associated with it remains whatever fixed string you defined when using ManageWiki to create a group. So if I would actually want to alter that string I'd need to recreate the /bureaucrat group as the /crat group and duplicate the permissions, then go delete the old one.

I notice however that what actually displays in parenthesis next to the usernames generated by Special:ListUsers seems to remain under the old name though: it still reads:

(bureaucrat, administrator)

Not to mention has hyperlinks to default pages explaining what those roles involve... any idea how to change that part?

Also wondering if there's some way we can generate the titles to read next to names on userpage like it does on Fandom to make it clearer who is who, because it doesn't seem possible to check that without using a ListUsers command which most users wouldn't know how to do.

Another thing I was wondering is if there's a way to alter or introduce new stuff like how "Special:ListAdmins" will point to "Special:ListUsers/sysop", like if I want to make "Special:ListBlockers" or "Special:ListWarners" and so on. ty 04:00, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

@Tycio: Yes, MediaWiki:Group-bureaucrat-member is the message that defines what displays in parentheses next to usernames in Special:ListUsers. I did note that above, but perhaps didn't explain it well enough. As to your second question, I'm not familiar with Fandom, but perhaps @Universal Omega: may be able to interpret what you mean by generating a titles on user pages. You may be able to get similar functionality by installing the Navigation Popups script as a gadget on your wiki or as a user script in your global.js file. To your third point, Special:ListAdmins is a special page alias, and would require filing an upstream task on Wikimedia Phabricator, as it is just an alias for Special:ListUsers/sysop. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 05:10, 6 December 2020 (UTC)