Meta talk:Bureaucrats

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removing bureaucrats on other projects[edit source]

How does one go about doing that, like if you accidentally promote someone to crat instead of sysop? ty 23:46, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Tycio: You should be able to simply remove it through Special:UserRights. If you cannot, you can enable it through Special:ManageWiki. Naleksuh (talk) 00:05, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Naleksuh: thank you for reply!
I think I figured it out: Bureaucrats by default only have the ability to upgrade others to B but not downgrade others from B. You can't even demote yourself! However I was able to find a solution in editing the permissions of usergroups: I just briefly gave myself the right to demote: quickly used it to remove that from others holding the rank, and then removed the right again. One doesn't want to carelessly have that option open so removing rights you don't plan on casually using (like demoting oneself accidentally, for example) seems like a wise choice.
The key to changing these rights seems rooted in whether the "ManageWiki" box is checked at (or any other usergroup) because without that box checked you can't access the field at all. I think only bureaucrats have it checked by default but I should probably go and look and see if anyone fiddle with them during their time as a crat.
Do you know if there is a way to view a Special:Log of changes made to permissions like one does w/ Special:Log/rights ?
Like for example to see who changed a permission and when?
Could help with a hunt for any things which need to be changed. It's essential only the crat has ManageWiki checked or otherwise it's a figurehead name. ty 01:48, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Tycio: Okay, this is by design, as intentionally, stewards are supposed to be called upon to remove the bureaucrat bit from user(s) on the local wiki when requested on stewards' noticeboard. I was conferring with @Void and NDKilla: on the course of action to take. Though not great that you took the action yourself, as I feel like steward review of the circumstances between the local dispute would've been helpful, it's probably okay, and it's good you reverted the change in Special:ManageWiki/permissions. To your last question, you can view changes performed in ManageWiki using Special:Log/managewiki. Dmehus (talk) 02:39, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Dmehus: yeah sorry, I took that step initially because I didn't know what to do at the time (took a few minutes to stumble across an alternate fix) and redacted due to not wanting to waste others' time except as a last resort, but if someone wants to spare the time to dig through the drama they're certainly welcome to.
Thanks for pointing out the MediaWiki log, no idea why that didn't stand out to me before now, I guess it's too bad we can't do a 'Permissions' command for log to narrow it down to MW changes specific to permissions and exclude other stuff like Settings / Extensions / Additional Settings. Would be cool to have 5 extra sub-options to view MW subset logs.
What I'm thinking is doing custom user groups which more specifically relate to a narrower group of permissions, like basically to name groups specifically after their capabilities, so MW rights would be "Manager" for example, narrowing the role of Bureaucrat to possibly just the ability to the remaining roles of doing sysop promotions/demotions and mass-safety. ty 02:53, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]