Meta:Requests for permissions/Archive 9
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Muhammad Alfarezal (Wiki creator)
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- As for your RfGR, your reason is copied word for word from this previous thread. This amounts to plagiarism and is inappropriate for a permissions request. Closing rather than reverting due to existing vote. Reception123 (talk) (C) 05:35, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
Muhammad Alfarezal (talk • contribs • page moves • block log • CA • rights log • global rights log • abuselog • farmer log • block)
Group: Wiki creator
Reason: I am going to try this, I understand the policies/per content policy and know that there are hours of requests being stale for hours. Most of my requests are well understood. but, I know how Meta operates and can contribute a lot more as a wiki creator to help users get their wiki's made faster. Muhammad Alfarezal (talk) 08:48, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
Questions for candidate
Discussion
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
- Oppose I have two main reasons for opposing this request. First of all even though this is not strictly a requirement for wiki creator I am concerned that your level of English is not sufficient in order to effectively function as wiki creator as I do not even fully understand your rationale for requesting wiki creator (for example -"my requests are well understood"). Second of all my main issue is the fact that have not been very active at all and most of your edits are either to your own sandbox or edits that do not necessarily improve Meta which makes it is difficult to determine whether you would be an appropriate choice for this role. I would recommend that you wait until requesting again. --DeeM28 (talk) 17:42, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
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Agent Isai (Administrator)
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- Having unanimous support (11/0/0), this request is succesful. Reception123 (talk) (C) 05:12, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
Agent Isai (talk • contribs • page moves • block log • CA • rights log • global rights log • abuselog • farmer log • block)
Group: Administrator
Reason: I am requesting the administrator right as I wish to help out more locally and would be able to do so better with the tools in the administrator toolset. At this present moment, I am a local wiki creator, patroller, rollbacker, translation administrator, and interface administrator. Globally, I am also an Interwiki administrator. I am active in all roles as can be evidenced by logs.
As a regular contributor to Meta, I frequently embark on rewrites of pages to expand them from stub status or to make them easier to read and more intuitive for our newer users with over 3,000 total edits here on Meta. Some examples of pages I’ve rewritten or expanded are Help center, Wikimedia Foundation, Extensions, Skins, ManageWiki, MediaWiki, Contributing and many others. As any Meta, Discord or IRC regular can attest, I am always online and always reachable via public means such as our Discord server and IRC. As a wiki creator, I am one of the most active with over 2000 actioned requests and over 1000 created wikis since I became a wiki creator.
I am requesting administrator so that I can further help the community and improve Meta. There are some pages that are rightfully protected at a sysop level such as Requests, FAQ, Security and others which could use an expansion to make them more intuitive for our newer users and I would like to embark on that task. It might be unduly burdensome to request that our often busy sysops unprotect a page and then reprotect it after edits are finished or to copy over drafts for pages and such so I believe it would benefit me to be able to edit these pages in order to expand these and make them easier to understand. Another tool which I believe would be of great use is suppressredirect
which may be useful when moving pages, especially when moving pages with lots of subpages. I have run into some issues where I have moved pages with lots of subpages (an example would be Community Wishlist 2021) and have inadvertently caused dozens of useless redirects or move a page and then have to wait for an administrator to delete an old redirect that had no use.
Equally, import
would be of great use. I often times find myself having to fix existing, highly used Meta templates which were wrongly copy and pasted without importing all of it’s dependencies and thus cause some inadvertent issues on some high traffic pages. For example, I have had to manually import templates such as such as Template:BCP47 and many highly useful documentation pages or style subpages in order to fix some broken templates like Ambox and all of it’s derivatives. This is not the best approach as I am unable to import the history too which is recommended to import and I have to add a notice in my initial edit summary that a page was imported from an external wiki. It would be beneficial to have the ability to import the history for proper attribution and to fix many templates which were mainly copy and pasted from other wikis and have no attribution at all which is definitely a copyright violation so as to not overwhelm the current administrators with these tasks. I would also attend to normal administrator duties such as clerking the nominations for deletion and Administrators’ noticeboard. I have pages such as the AN on my watchlist and as a regular patroller of the Meta IRC feed, I am always up to date and informed on current activities happening on Meta and would be able to action requests in a timely manner and resolve any issues that may face the local community.
As a local administrator, I would also be able to to action and deter any attempts at spam and vandalism against Meta. While Meta has historically been a small project, as we grow, so do the number of long term abusers and vandals that attack Meta (which is to be expected as Miraheze grows and nears 7000 wikis). While historically the spam and vandalism has been low, there are moments where it does increase. A few weeks ago, we had 3 long term abusers active at the same time on Meta which is a new record. These LTAs disrupt the project by making bad use of the wiki request queue and making many spam pages that sometimes overwhelm whichever sysop is online to handle it (that is, if there is an active administrator online). It’s understandable that sometimes our administrators are busy as they juggle their day to day activities and volunteering through their multiple hats so I believe having another user who is active to assist in administrative duties would be very beneficial to the project. I speak on a regular basis to many local administrators and global officials so I know we’re all sometimes busy and that’s perfectly understandable. As an administrator, I would be able to temporarily protect targets for vandalism, delete any spam pages that were created and block any disruptive users or long term abusers in the meanwhile while global functionaries look into it along with being able to set up some AbuseFilters which would help deter any spam temporarily or in the long run. As an active user too, I would certainly help relieve some backlogs that are created. I will admit, Meta does enjoy of 7 administrators but out of all of these, a good portion is unfortunately unable to devote time to Meta due to other obligations and aren’t regularly around or are around but sometimes only to handle one thing every month or so. There are moments in which we have no administrators around to action some simple tasks which has caused some users to wonder if we need more active administrators so I believe that the addition of an active administrator to the administrators group here on Meta would be beneficial to the project. I look forward to any questions and I thank you for your consideration.
Questions for candidate
Discussion
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
- Support Trusted, member of the SRE team. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 18:18, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- Strongest support I have no doubt that being a Meta Administrator is going to be much easier for you. Go for it dude. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 21:42, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support Having considered the rationale provided I have decided to support this request. I have had a look at Agent Isai's contributions to Meta and I think that they demonstrate that not only is he very active but he also regularly does changes in order to improve Meta and is very helpful generally. As for the necessity of new administrators I would not go as far as to say there is a pressing need but since the previous time I have voted in such a request the number of administrators has decreased and it seems to me that the activity of the administrators has also somewhat decreased, so in this case I would think another addition could be good for the project. As a final point I hope that if this request is successful (or even if not) Agent Isai will help with more reforms on Meta to allow it to reach its potential because it currently seems underutilized. --DeeM28 (talk) 07:32, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support – no concerns. Startus (talk) 12:10, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support I believe considering all he's done to help users...it would be wise of me to support the request. Good luck! Hypercane (talk) 12:41, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Long text though, but Agent has a Strong support from me -- Joseph TB CT CA 16:21, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Strongest support Definitely! User:Universal Omega/Sig 16:22, 6 May 2022 (UTC) ] |
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Genuino123 (Wiki creator)
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- Unsuccessful. Lack of attention and support, caused by little presence and activity on Miraheze work from. The volunteering is appreciated, but I strongly suggest getting involved in the community before pursuing rights like this, so your stated technical skills are proven and support your request. Also, this is a role that is more about discretion than technical knowledge: decent judgement based on policy, especially Content Policy is an important skill to demonstrate. Please reach out if you have any questions or are unsure where to go from here. --Raidarr (talk) 12:32, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Machine translation for Genuino123's benefit:
- Pedido sem sucesso. Falta de atenção e apoio, causada pela pouca presença e atividade no trabalho de Miraheze. O voluntariado é apreciado, mas sugiro fortemente que você se envolva na comunidade antes de buscar direitos como esse, para que suas habilidades técnicas sejam comprovadas e apoiem sua solicitação. Além disso, este é um papel que é mais sobre discrição do que conhecimento técnico: julgamento decente com base na política, especialmente na Política de Conteúdo, é uma habilidade importante a ser demonstrada. Entre em contato se tiver alguma dúvida ou não tiver certeza de onde ir a partir daqui. --Raidarr (talk)
Genuino123 (talk • contribs • page moves • block log • CA • rights log • global rights log • abuselog • farmer log • block)
Group: Wiki creator
Reason: Está conta é muito velha e agora voltei a utiliza-la, durante este tempo vim estudando programação e também sobre wikis, acredito que tenho muito tempo a oferecer ao projeto, desejo contribuir desta forma sendo imparcial e buscando entender o melhor possível como funciona os projetos dos usuários, espero que consiga exercer o meu trabalho o melhor possível buscando melhor desempenho e ter está experiência nova.
Questions for candidate
Discussion
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
- Weak oppose Bom Dia. Lamentavelmente, estou me opondo a esse pedido, pois você tem apenas 6 contribuições globalmente no Miraheze. Considerarei apoiar em uma data posterior, quando você tiver mais contribuições. (eu usei o Google Tradutor) -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 23:44, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Até agora você tem apenas 6 edições globalmente. Aconselho você a ler isso antes de solicitar esse direito. Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 08:00, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
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CigarynoBot (Bot)
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CigarynoBot (talk • contribs • page moves • block log • CA • rights log • global rights log • abuselog • farmer log • block)
Group: Bot
Reason: I created a bot with a random password at Special:BotPasswords. Cigaryno (talk) 10:58, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Questions for candidate
Discussion
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
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Matttest (Wiki creator)
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Matttest (talk • contribs • page moves • block log • CA • rights log • global rights log • abuselog • farmer log • block)
Group: Wiki creator
Reason: Greetings, I am Matttest. As the miraheze community is growing faster, there are increasing wiki requests per day in Special:RequestWikiQueue. In view of this, I'm making this request to let new wiki requests to be reviewed quicker, of the premise that I believe I already have enough knowledge of the Content Policy and other relevant policies to access wiki requests in a good manner. Additionally, following the resignation of Msnhinet8, there are no wiki creators that have basic understanding of Chinese, which to me is a problem. Usually, machine translation are used for these requests but obviously it is not good for a clear communication between the requester and the wiki creator. However, I am confident in handling the Chinese wiki requests as a native speaker of Chinese, which will be very useful in handling these requests. Finally, I believe that more wiki creators can make a better judgement on wiki requests. Thanks for your consideration and I am looking forward for any questions or concerns. Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 10:51, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
Questions for candidate
- Hi Matttest! A few questions pertaining to the right of
wiki-creator
:- a) I’m requesting a wiki relating to Disney, and my requesting rationale is “A wiki about Disney.” Do you approve, decline, or hold the request for elaboration?
- b) A user has requested a wiki about Nazism. The requesting rationale is “I want to create a wiki about the historical aspects of Nazism and how they are still alive in today’s world through racism and homophobia.” Do you accept, decline, or hold the request for elaboration?
- c) A user is requesting a wiki to trash people. “I want a wiki to complain about people that I don’t like.” Do you accept, decline, or hold the request for elaboration? Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 15:54, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- a) Decline and request for a more detailed description. The description is too broad and suggests nothing more than the wiki name.
- b) It will be a bit tricky in this part, since it is not only contains the historical content of the party, but I will ask the requester and receive acknowledgement from the requester that there should be no propagation of the illegal ideas of the party. I may also consult opinions of other wiki creators.
- c) Decline as the Content Policy notes “Miraheze does not host wikis with the sole purpose to spread unsubstantiated insult, hate or rumours against a person or group of people”.Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 03:17, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- All three are correct, Matttest. One final question. A wiki request has been put in as “greatmovies.miraheze.org” and with the description “A wiki about great movies.” So you accept, decline, or hold the request for elaboration? Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 04:46, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Decline as a potential overlap of Greatest Movies Wiki which the Content Policy prohibits from forking another wiki. It also lacks a detailed description, which increases the probability of overlapping. This is similar to request another TestWiki which are always declined. -Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 04:53, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- All three are correct, Matttest. One final question. A wiki request has been put in as “greatmovies.miraheze.org” and with the description “A wiki about great movies.” So you accept, decline, or hold the request for elaboration? Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 04:46, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
Discussion
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
Weak oppose. While I believe this request was made in good-faith, I have encountered a few issues with the user’s judgement. I plan on adding questions to the request and seeing how that goes, but for now, it’s a weak oppose from me. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 13:53, 2 July 2022 (UTC)- It will be great if you can state which issues you have encountered with me. Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 14:14, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Matttest: It’s nothing major honestly, otherwise it wouldn’t be a weak oppose. Just 2-3 minor issues relating to conventions, but honestly everyone makes those mistakes. See the questions section. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 15:47, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- It will be great if you can state which issues you have encountered with me. Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 14:14, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. I thought about this for a while, and reached the decision to oppose this request. Matttest answered 3 of 4 questions to my satisfaction, but I was messaged by another user last night (whom I had an extended chat with) about Matttest’s recent behavior, specifically on the
unbookswiki
. That conversation raised flags with me, as no matter the position, Miraheze volunteers are expected to adhere to the Code of Conduct above all others. If a user cannot adhere to the code of conduct to a high level, I do not believe they are yet ready to be a volunteer on this service. That is the sole reason I am opposing this request. I invite Matttest to work to rectify his behavior on said wikis, and re-apply in 30-60 days. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 15:09, 3 July 2022 (UTC)- @BrandonWM: I will admit, that my some of my comments at unbookswiki may have shown issues, but I believe that this won’t affect my position as a wiki creator. To commence with, I will like to start with my weakest argument and my self-defense on the issues shown in unbookswiki - I haven’t shown any behavioral issues with others in other wikis, except the complicated unbookswiki dispute. I have always be kind in accordance with the Code of Conduct, and the unbookswiki dispute is really, being more and more complicated over time. After I have been more active in Meta-Wiki in the recent months and engaged I the miraheze community, you can see that my behaviors are strongly improved when handling the unbooks dispute. I will also promise that will be settled better in the near future. Frankly, I didn’t meant to accuse other users with words like “shameless lie”, but the user who I am arguing with called 黑底屍 seems to consistently not to listen and evading all my arguments. This is similar to the issue shown in User talk:Raidarr#why discriminate against me, which 黑底屍 keep failing to understand that his request for reopening wikis is malformed and his wiki request violated the Content Policy, even being explained by Raidarr numerous times. I understand that this doesn’t mean that I should be unkind, but I would like to brought this up for consideration. Aside from that, I would like to note that if a wiki creator is kind and show respectful and follow the Content Policy when handling wiki request, he/she will be a good creator - that’s the sole consideration for wiki creators. When processing requests, I believe I will be kind and respectful to the requester, and this is certainly proved when I am helping the users in CN and sometimes, SN. As for the content policy understanding, I believe I fulfill the requirement, by replies to the question above. Moreover, with the addition of me as a wiki creator, I will be able to handle Chinese wiki requests without machine translation. Finally, when handling wiki requests, especially when it is requested by users who have disputes with me before, I will leave it for another wiki creator for review to make the judgement more accurate. This will be same with other disputed wiki requests. I hope this explains. Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 11:31, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Matttest. While I understand and acknowledge your response, my concerns remain regarding civil discussion and interactions. Dross explained these concerns well. While you have not be anything outright to be rude, you haven’t shown the temperament for a wiki creator quite yet. I recommend re-applying in 30 to 60 days. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 01:59, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @BrandonWM: Nutshell of previous response: (I would like to note that my behaviors about the unbooks dispute have improved a lot after I started to be active at Meta-Wiki. On the other hand, handling wiki requests is not like handling disputes, which I believe I have shown no conduct issues if consider the “helping and handling requests” part, not to mention that the unbooks dispute is more than complicated than other disputes. This is proved when I am helping users in the noticeboards that are mostly satisfied. That’s why I believe I can be a good wiki creator to help with wiki requests.)
- I quoted the nutshell of my previous response since I believe my texts above are a bit of TLDR, and also for you to get the main arguments from my stance. For your suggestions, I can say that there is not much thing that I can do at this moment at all, given that the user who have disputes with me have de facto stopped any arguments to my talk page, and also my behaviors have improved as of the start of June. Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 07:27, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Matttest. While I understand and acknowledge your response, my concerns remain regarding civil discussion and interactions. Dross explained these concerns well. While you have not be anything outright to be rude, you haven’t shown the temperament for a wiki creator quite yet. I recommend re-applying in 30 to 60 days. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 01:59, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- @BrandonWM: I will admit, that my some of my comments at unbookswiki may have shown issues, but I believe that this won’t affect my position as a wiki creator. To commence with, I will like to start with my weakest argument and my self-defense on the issues shown in unbookswiki - I haven’t shown any behavioral issues with others in other wikis, except the complicated unbookswiki dispute. I have always be kind in accordance with the Code of Conduct, and the unbookswiki dispute is really, being more and more complicated over time. After I have been more active in Meta-Wiki in the recent months and engaged I the miraheze community, you can see that my behaviors are strongly improved when handling the unbooks dispute. I will also promise that will be settled better in the near future. Frankly, I didn’t meant to accuse other users with words like “shameless lie”, but the user who I am arguing with called 黑底屍 seems to consistently not to listen and evading all my arguments. This is similar to the issue shown in User talk:Raidarr#why discriminate against me, which 黑底屍 keep failing to understand that his request for reopening wikis is malformed and his wiki request violated the Content Policy, even being explained by Raidarr numerous times. I understand that this doesn’t mean that I should be unkind, but I would like to brought this up for consideration. Aside from that, I would like to note that if a wiki creator is kind and show respectful and follow the Content Policy when handling wiki request, he/she will be a good creator - that’s the sole consideration for wiki creators. When processing requests, I believe I will be kind and respectful to the requester, and this is certainly proved when I am helping the users in CN and sometimes, SN. As for the content policy understanding, I believe I fulfill the requirement, by replies to the question above. Moreover, with the addition of me as a wiki creator, I will be able to handle Chinese wiki requests without machine translation. Finally, when handling wiki requests, especially when it is requested by users who have disputes with me before, I will leave it for another wiki creator for review to make the judgement more accurate. This will be same with other disputed wiki requests. I hope this explains. Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 11:31, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support I find no issues with the user. Matttest has proven to be very helpful, and I have no concerns with the user policy-wise. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 15:42, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support Per Bukkit. AlPaD (talk) 08:19, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Abstain The question that arises in this request is whether the sole focus of a wiki creator election should be the candidate's ability to apply the Content Policy or whether their general behavior is also relevant to this position. The response seems to be clearly that behavior also matters as the newly passed RfC allows for removal for Code of Conduct violations. In terms of the former the responses given by Mattest to the questions asked are satisfactory to me and there otherwise seem to be no issues that would indicate to me that Mattest would not be able to interpret the Content Policy. In terms of behavior Mattest's behavior is not perfect and note that in one response he called out a user and accused them of a "shameless lie" and has attracted an amount of controversy over the handling of the dispute over the unbooks wiki. There are arguments in favour of Mattest being elected but I am still somewhat uncomfortable with the controversy surrounding unbooks wiki and whether this would affect his judgment in future wiki requests. For the meantime, I have decided for now to neither support nor oppose this request. If new evidence (or a satisfactory reply) is presented either way I may consider changing my vote to oppose or support depending on the circumstances. --DeeM28 (talk) 13:04, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: Unbooks is a difficult issue that reflects as poorly on Stewardship (including myself) as it does any of its participants and I've been deferring it until I get official fire support with the two pending RfS's. Its negative impact should be taken in context. Judgement wise I might be concerned if this was a larger position but for what it I am not concerned. However I'd like to come up with a couple scenarios first, which have been relevant recently and cover important ground. I'll hopefully get them out within a few days, in the meantime letting this remain open to address the concerns present. --Raidarr (talk) 12:12, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Weak oppose As a responsibility which requires frequent user interaction, especially on noticeboards and discussion pages, a WC must clearly display a respectful and effective interpersonal attitude toward other users. While Matttest certainly does not display outright hostility or flagrance toward the community, it has been a somewhat lengthy journey to observe this user's development toward compliance with our community standards and expectations. I believe this user is not quite there yet. I advise nomination at a later time. dross (t • c • g) 20:44, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
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HeyTürkiye (Wiki creator)
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HeyTürkiye (talk • contribs • page moves • block log • CA • rights log • global rights log • abuselog • farmer log • block)
Group: Wiki creator
Reason: As you know, Miraheze is a wiki farm that grows every day. As far as I looked, I noticed that the approval process of wikis is approved after 1 day or 2 days. I made this application to speed things up/provide better service. If necessary, if users ask questions, I will be happy to answer them, if you have any questions, I am waiting here. Hey Türkiye message? 07:58, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Questions for candidate
Discussion
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
- Strong oppose. This user is quite active on his own wikis, but he has a total of 9 edits on Meta, 2 of them being to form this request. Personally, at this time I don’t feel the user is active enough in global and community discussions to request this permission. I invite the user to participate more in the community and its discussions, and re-request in 30-60 days. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 08:16, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
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Startus (Wiki creator)
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Startus (talk • contribs • page moves • block log • CA • rights log • global rights log • abuselog • farmer log • block)
Group: Wiki creator
Reason: Hello. I am Startus, formerly known as Mazzaz and Magogre. I have been on the Miraheze since the June last year and have previously served as a wiki creator. Unfortunately, due to real life reasons, I had to resign my rights. Now, I would like to request the wikicreator right so as to help in reviewing the wiki requests again. I have disclosed all my other accounts in my previous request and they're also listed on my loginwiki user page, in case you want to know. I have a fair understanding of the Miraheze policies especially the Content policy. Thanks! Startus (talk) 09:50, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Questions for candidate
Discussion
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
- Support Having looked at the past wiki creation by this user, I believe the candidate have demonstrated a sufficient understanding of the Content Policy when creating wikis. I am therefore supporting this request. Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 10:53, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support Per Matttest -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 14:45, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support User has been exceptionally helpful as a
patroller
andtranslation-admin
, so I have no doubt this permission will be extremely beneficial to both Startus and Miraheze. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 22:21, 12 July 2022 (UTC) - Support Very active previously, with good process and rationale in wiki requests. Welcome back! dross (t • c • g) 22:15, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
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Zcook1052 (Administrator)
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- Closing per User close policy. Zcook1052, you are encouraged to contribute more to Miraheze Meta before requesting permissions. Administrator is a very very big responsibility and before many get here, administrators at one point were first autopatrolled, then patrollers, translation administrators, rollbackers, and helped the community out in many ways. If you want to help the community, check out Contributing and in the future, perhaps you'll reach administrator and higher. Agent Isai Talk to me! 16:57, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
Zcook1052 (talk • contribs • page moves • block log • CA • rights log • global rights log • abuselog • farmer log • block)
Group: Administrator
Reason: I would like to help Miraheze and help users here on Meta, I can handle a converation with users in English.
Questions for candidate
Discussion
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
- Oppose While you have a decent amount of contributions, I would say to keep contributing for a bit as you haven't been as active on meta recently. ZeusDeeGoose (talk) 20:15, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Same opinion.Maybe,you don't have making edits to become administrator here. by Buel ·Talk·Wikimail 00:00, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose You are inactive and only have about 63 edits. I recommend going back to edit more and help users on noticeboards, and then redo the request as it has made good edits. Greetings. — Pixial [Talk] 13:31, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
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Matttest (Wiki creator) (2)
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- Request withdrawn As per the opposes’ concern, but especially DeeM28‘s argument. The concerns raised in the discussions are reasonable and thoughtful. I’ll admit that it’s too quick (only half a month) to start another RfP when my previous request have been rejected by the community, and yet the unbooks’ dispute is not fully resolved. The controversy of impersonation on testwiki.wiki, which is pointed out by Bukkit, is also affecting the trust to me. Based on all these above, I am withdrawing this request, though I will not be leaving miraheze/retiring, but rather putting my effort into resolving the unbooks’ dispute with stewards assistance, and engaging more in different local wiki communities before re-applying, in no sooner than 2-3 months. For the opposes to this request, I’ll sincerely ask for you to re-consider your vote when I apply for WC next time, into giving a second chance for me to volunteer as a wiki creator. Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 08:15, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
Matttest (talk • contribs • page moves • block log • CA • rights log • global rights log • abuselog • farmer log • block)
Group: Wiki creator
Reason: Greetings, I am Matttest. I am requesting the wiki creator right as the same rationale as last time, when the request was withdrawn because some users stated that (i) when processing with requests, my decision may be affected by the previous disputes (specifically the unbooks’ dispute) I am involved in; (ii) wiki creator needs to adhere code of conduct at a high level, in which I am not quite yet towards the community standard and expectations. I believe the situation have changed - I have been fairly active as a volunteer at the noticeboards, and I have been more calm, no matter during discussions or helping users as of the time being. -Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 09:39, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
Questions for candidate
- Re-attempt of BrandonWM’s fourth question for my last request: “A wiki request has been put in as “greatmovies.miraheze.org” and with the description “A wiki about great movies.” So you accept, decline, or hold the request for elaboration?”
- It depends, but most likely I will accept the request with an “okay request” message. I may decline the request if the user who requests the wiki is previously involved in disputes which have not yet been resolved on similar wikis, particularly the Greatest Movies Wiki. -Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 09:43, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
Discussion
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
- Oppose Per recent events. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 20:33, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Bukkit: While I respect your opinion, the rationale in the vote is quite vague. If you mean the unbooks' dispute to be the "recent event", then I would like to point out that the dispute have already been resting starting from May 2022, at the time when I had been engaging more in Meta-Wiki. Just as I pointed out - I believe the situation have changed. If you mean the "recent event" to be other incidents, I would like a clarification for me (to respond) as well as the community to decide what to vote. Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 01:45, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, that was extremely vague. What I meant was the testwiki.wiki incident in which you (assuming so) created impersonation-only accounts. I won't get too in-depth but this makes me not have as much trust compared to the prior WC request. -- Cheers, Bukkit(Public) ( Talk • Contribs ) 02:51, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
- (TL;DR: I believe assumes makes not much weight when explaining the vote.)
- Thanks for the clarification. I have already be knowing this incident for some time, but I wasn't supposed to make my statement regarding this. I believe this is something outside the miraheze platform (it is neither a software that is related to miraheze, i.e. phabricator), so (i) the only similar thing between me and that account is the username (no other signs show that I am that account), which can be easily created by another user; that's why it makes no sense to point this against me; (ii) it won't affect my position as a wiki creator on miraheze. Though, since you comment on it, I think I will make my statement here. The account blocked is not Matttest here on miraheze. The impersonarion should also not be a surprise, especially when I am involved in some conflicts in miraheze. Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 05:42, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Matttest: Would you, then, consent to Miraheze Stewards contacting TestWiki Stewards and requesting they share CheckUser information so that we can compare it with our own CheckUser results? Agent Isai Talk to me! 02:52, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- It is true that Matttest was recently involved in impersonation on TestWiki.wiki (non-miraheze). This is per CU evidence, plus the first time their account was blocked (this had been done incorrectly), they came on IRC requesting to be unblocked. They were cloaked and logged into the account that according to their user-page here is them. This would suggest that the accounts across both wikis are both operated by the same person. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 16:28, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Matttest: Would you, then, consent to Miraheze Stewards contacting TestWiki Stewards and requesting they share CheckUser information so that we can compare it with our own CheckUser results? Agent Isai Talk to me! 02:52, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- Please get in depth. Impersonation is a serious accusation that deserves maximum spotlight if as recent as indicated. --Raidarr (talk) 10:58, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Raidarr: I'll DM all the details on Discord. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 20:02, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
- I did some snooping and the conversation here https://fortestwiki.myht.org/index.php/User_talk:ApexAgunomu#Regarding_your_PM_on_IRC might also shed some light on the situation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Challenge812 (talk • contribs)
- @Bukkit: Now he(Matttest) has autopartrolled rights.It means users don't have to partroll edits he made. by Buel ·Talk·Wikimail 08:13, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Bukkit: He is not native speaker of English,but he can do many things via advaned level of English. by Buel ·Talk·Wikimail 08:39, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, that was extremely vague. What I meant was the testwiki.wiki incident in which you (assuming so) created impersonation-only accounts. I won't get too in-depth but this makes me not have as much trust compared to the prior WC request. -- Cheers, Bukkit(Public) ( Talk • Contribs ) 02:51, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Bukkit: While I respect your opinion, the rationale in the vote is quite vague. If you mean the unbooks' dispute to be the "recent event", then I would like to point out that the dispute have already been resting starting from May 2022, at the time when I had been engaging more in Meta-Wiki. Just as I pointed out - I believe the situation have changed. If you mean the "recent event" to be other incidents, I would like a clarification for me (to respond) as well as the community to decide what to vote. Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 01:45, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support I'm sure he has lots of knowledge more than various users.He'll make nice edits if he become wiki creator. by Buel ·Talk·Wikimail 23:01, 21 August 2022 (UTC)fix. by Buel ·Talk·Wikimail 23:02, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
- I may appreciate that the phrase "nice edits" may be a mistranslation but I would suggest that edits have nothing to do with wiki creation and "a lot of knowledge" appears to be a very vague appreciation and ultimately what mostly matters for wiki creators is knowledge of the Content Policy and for the candidate to be able to make determinations as to if a wiki will potentially violate the Content Policy. --DeeM28 (talk) 14:34, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per Bukkit
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- Support Per Buel. AlPaD (talk) 07:41, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- Weak oppose This request is being made only one month and a half approximately after the initial one was that was rejected by the community. I am not satisfied that the controversial situation has changed since the initial request and am additionally concerned about the additional controversy indicated in the above discussions. These issues make me unable to support such a request as I am not able to trust the candidate enough based on the above. --DeeM28 (talk) 14:34, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- Besides opposing, to you as a voter, are there any suggestions for me to apply for wiki creator? I believe I have already demonstrated understanding of the Content Policy and have been volunteering a lot across the miraheze platform. To me, I am deeply frustrated when my request is being opposed numerous times just because of the controversy brought out (and the previous one because of the CoC issue when I am involved in conflict). I think being a wiki creator can gain the community's trust that I have the competency to volunteer out, and as a stepping stone if in the future I can volunteer out in a higher position. Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 02:24, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 14:38, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- Abstain ZeusDeeGoose (talk) 23:50, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
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Iiiiiiii (Wiki creator)
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- Closing under the User close policy. (user rights) Request was made too early, considering their account was created the same day as this request. ZeusDeeGoose (talk) 13:27, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
Iiiiiiii (talk • contribs • page moves • block log • CA • rights log • global rights log • abuselog • farmer log • block)
Group: Wiki creator
Reason: I want to serve about creating wikis.
Questions for candidate
Discussion
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
- Strongest oppose I'm sure this user has no experience on miraheze. by Buel ·Talk·Wikimail 04:21, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose I don't have enough experience with meta yet. --1108-Kiju/▶talk 07:04, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
- Strongest oppose No experience.
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- Strongest oppose per above ZeusDeeGoose (talk) 11:55, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
- Strongest oppose Per above. --LisafBia (talk) 11:57, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
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Buel (Wiki creator)
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- Closing per User close policy due to over 3 opposes and no supports. This user, while very helpful, is thought to be not ready yet for this role. Buel is encouraged to reach out to current wiki creators for help and potential mentorship's and should not be discouraged from reapplying for wiki creator in a few months once they've learned more about the ins and outs of the position. Agent Isai Talk to me! 04:54, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Buel (talk • contribs • page moves • block log • CA • rights log • global rights log • abuselog • farmer log • block)
Group: Wiki creator
Reason: Now,Japanese users who has permmision(other than autopatrolled) are only 3 users.(includes me)The Pioneer,and Shwarz.but they are inactive on meta. so I think I'd like to help Japanese users. by Buel ·Talk·Wikimail 12:49, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
Questions for candidate
What would you do for the following wiki requests?
- Public wiki named "Bad Celebrities Wiki" - Description "A wiki that discusses bad celebrities."
- Private wiki named "Super Happy Tree Wiki" - Description "I want to make a wiki for me and my friends"
- Public wiki named "The Legendary Witch Wiki" - Description "Recently, due to Fandom's policy changes, I would like to move my wiki here. This wiki will discuss legendary witches."
- Public wiki named "Tropes Wiki" - Description "A wiki for all tropes in media. Tropes Wiki will cover tropes in several pieces of media, which is included but not limited to games, films, literature, and TV shows."
- Public wiki named "Humor Wiki" - Description "A wiki for jokes. It will describe every singe joke in detail and their punchlines, alongside comedians. It will also cover comedy films and books as well."
ZeusDeeGoose (talk) 13:52, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
- About 1 I'd decline.Description is too few.
- About 2 Probably I'd decline.same as answer 2.
- About 3 I'd apporove.Actually there are wiki imported from fandom and so on.
- About 4 I'd apporove.I think description is enough.
- About 5 I'd decline.In fact,most of movies are protected by copyright. by Buel ·Talk·Wikimail 02:39, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Discussion
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
- Oppose. I don't usually comment on RfPs but I find these answers alarming and am not sure if the candidate has even read the pages for content policy and the expectations for wiki creators Naleksuh (talk) 04:05, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- Strongest oppose I agree with Naleksuh here, all the the answers given are very alarming for a wiki creator. While you may have been right about declining some of them, it would have been for very different reasons. Universal Omega (talk) 04:25, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- Strongest oppose per UO
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- Oppose Failed all scenarios as far as I'm concerned. While the surface level "yes/no" may sometimes be incidentally correct, these answers lack nuance. dross (t • c • g) 04:49, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
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LisafBia (Wiki creator)
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- No consensus to promote. Agent Isai Talk to me! 20:45, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
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LisafBia (talk • contribs • page moves • block log • CA • rights log • global rights log • abuselog • farmer log • block)
Group: Wiki creator
Reason: LisafBia is one of the most trusted and respectful Users. He is a user who loves to patrol and work on the Turkish Wikipedia. I believe that you can easily finish and do wiki requests. I hope he accepts my candidacy. Hey Türkiye message? 17:20, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
I accept the request. --LisafBia (talk) 16:36, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
Questions for candidate
Hello, @LisafBia I hope you have accepted the nomination, if you have accepted the nomination please answer the following questions;
- Public wiki named "Bad Celebrities Wiki" - Description "A wiki that discusses bad celebrities."
- I would deny this request, because the wiki's content violates the Content Policy.
- Private wiki named "Super Happy Tree Wiki" - Description "I want to make a wiki for me and my friends"
- If the content of the wiki is not specified, I will reject the request and ask what the content is.
- Public wiki named "The Legendary Witch Wiki" - Description "Recently, due to Fandom's policy changes, I would like to move my wiki here. This wiki will discuss legendary witches."
- Public wiki named "Tropes Wiki" - Description "A wiki for all tropes in media. Tropes Wiki will cover tropes in several pieces of media, which is included but not limited to games, films, literature, and TV shows."
- Public wiki named "Humor Wiki" - Description "A wiki for jokes. It will describe every singe joke in detail and their punchlines, alongside comedians. It will also cover comedy films and books as well."
-- Hey Türkiye message? 17:22, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Public wiki named "Crappy Games Wiki 2.0" - Description "Due to Qualitipedia shutting down, I would like to revive it alongside its contents." The Goose Named Zeus (talk|contribs|accounts|uploads|email) 01:18, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
Discussion
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
- Strongest support he is a trusted user. I realize that he will successfully fulfill his mission, first support to him :) Hey Türkiye message? 17:20, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Before less than two weeks ago the candidate for this position was not seen on Meta since July. That is for me a concerning sign considering that it is of utmost importance that wiki creators are regularly active in order to resolve wiki requests as quick as possible. There is not very much sense in a wiki creator who is only around sporadically - it must be someone who can check Meta regularly. It is understandable that there is not much activity that one can have on Meta due to its inherent nature but I would still prefer to observe more regular contributions. If answers to questions posed above prove to be very good and thought out I may consider changing my vote to a weak support as long as the candidate promises they will be regularly active in the future. Otherwise if the answers are not very good I am unable to support this at the time. --DeeM28 (talk) 07:20, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Since not all the questions have been answered and concerns around the activity levels of the candidate, opposing for now. But like DeeM28 above, if a commitment to being active is given, and the questions answered to satisfaction, I will consider reversing this vote to a support. Universal Omega (talk) 08:04, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
- Abstain for now. The candidate has not answered all the questions. Also, per above, there hasn't been a lot of activity as of recently on Meta. --Zeus (talk|contribs|accounts|email) 19:20, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per UO
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- Oppose Seen this user take steps before and put no effort into realizing their outcomes. Until that changes (for example, answering questions above to satisfaction and having a meaningful presence on Meta) then this is not a suitable candidate. --Raidarr (talk) 11:12, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
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Moisty (Administrator)
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- Closing under User close policy. (user rights) All 4 opposes point out that the user, Moisty, is requesting this too early. Moisty shows enthusiasm about the project, which is great, so I would suggest reading Contributing before running again. Many have also suggested running again in several months before this request may be successful. --Zeus (talk|contribs|accounts|email) 00:28, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Moisty (talk • contribs • page moves • block log • CA • rights log • global rights log • abuselog • farmer log • block)
Group: Administrator
Reason: Hey, I’m Moisty. I was previously a moderator on Qualitipedia and I am now asking for admin permissions here. I am committed to helping this community and I would like to be more involved with Miraheze. Thanks. Moisty (talk) (CentralAuth)
Questions for candidate
Discussion
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
- Oppose I respect you as a user, but it's too early for this as you have ~50 edits here. You can help around in Meta noticeboards, and maybe in 5-6 months I can support this request. The Goose Named Zeus (talk|contribs|accounts|uploads|email) 01:16, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose You do not have enough of a presence here on Meta to qualify for administrator. Marxo Grouch (talk) 01:49, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Not now. Having rights on Qualitipedia doesn’t automatically qualify you for having the right on Meta, as the wiki’s procedures are extremely different than each other, and as such, requires a decent amount of experience on-meta for me to support such a request. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 05:37, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Per above, I feel this is a bit to soon. I encourge you to contribute a bit more here on Miraheze Meta, and then perhaps request again in a few months. Universal Omega (talk) 05:54, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
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HeyTürkiye (Wiki creator) (2)
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- No consensus to promote to wiki creator. Reception123 (talk) (C) 05:42, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
HeyTürkiye (talk • contribs • page moves • block log • CA • rights log • global rights log • abuselog • farmer log • block)
Group: Wiki creator
Reason: Wiki requests can accumulate throughout our private lives. I want to serve the miraheze community without waiting for wiki requests. I actively provide roles in communities and wikis, even if my editing is minimal, I think I will remove this responsibility. Appreciation in our community. Hey Türkiye message? 09:04, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- Edit: My apologies to the Meta community for unwillingly closing this application, just because I put "partially retired" on my user page does not mean that I will be permanently inactive. I am opening my application again by wanting to inform the users, I would like to underline that if you have any questions, I will gladly answer them. Hey Türkiye message? 16:34, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Questions for candidate
- Public wiki named "Bad Celebrities Wiki" - Description "A wiki that discusses bad celebrities."
- Response I would like him to explain in detail the purpose of the wiki, the subject and scope of the wiki, as the explanation is very inadequate. Hey Türkiye message? 09:26, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- This is partially correct. This would be declined for violation of the Content Policy, specifically this line:
ZeusDeeGoose (talk) 12:45, 2 October 2022 (UTC)Miraheze does not host wikis with the sole purpose to spread unsubstantiated insult, hate or rumours against a person or group of people
- @ZeusDeeGoose I partially agree with your correctness, as the English language is a language that takes some courage to understand. Hey Türkiye message? 12:49, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- Private wiki named "Super Happy Tree Wiki" - Description "I want to make a wiki for me and my friends"
- Response Creating wikis with friends is wrong. Miraheze's purpose is to host information on the wiki farm. Since Miraheze is not a forum-style wiki, I would most likely reject it. Hey Türkiye message? 09:26, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- This is incorrect, Miraheze often approves personal and core friend group projects although the description as to what it entails is lacking and it would be reasonable to ask for more. The 'forum style' and social focus prohibition is Fandom's stipulation, not Miraheze. But as long as the discussion material is compliant (you'll notice Content Policy doesn't even touch on this subject anyway), even a wiki with a social focus should be fine. --Raidarr (talk) 12:14, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- Response I think personal wikis will be a huge burden for Miraheze, our goal is for everyone to have at least 1 wiki here. Thanks for your response Hey Türkiye message? 12:33, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- This is incorrect, Miraheze often approves personal and core friend group projects although the description as to what it entails is lacking and it would be reasonable to ask for more. The 'forum style' and social focus prohibition is Fandom's stipulation, not Miraheze. But as long as the discussion material is compliant (you'll notice Content Policy doesn't even touch on this subject anyway), even a wiki with a social focus should be fine. --Raidarr (talk) 12:14, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- Public wiki named "The Legendary Witch Wiki" - Description "Recently, due to Fandom's policy changes, I would like to move my wiki here. This wiki will discuss legendary witches."
- Response It's nice that he moved his wiki from Fandom to Miraheze, but I would say that the scope of the wiki is insufficient, I would refuse. Hey Türkiye message? 09:26, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- What would make this scope sufficient at a minimum, and how would it help your assessment of the wiki following Content Policy properly or not? --Raidarr (talk) 12:15, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- What makes Scope sufficient is what the Wiki contains, for example the purpose of the X wiki is to create Brawl stars articles. But if that X article goes out of its purpose, then it is not possible to approve that wiki in my opinion dear @Raidarr, best regards Hey Türkiye message? 12:54, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- What would make this scope sufficient at a minimum, and how would it help your assessment of the wiki following Content Policy properly or not? --Raidarr (talk) 12:15, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- Public wiki named "Tropes Wiki" - Description "A wiki for all tropes in media. Tropes Wiki will cover tropes in several pieces of media, which is included but not limited to games, films, literature, and TV shows."
- Response The scope of this wiki is sufficient. I would approve of his wiki, provided it complies with its content policy. Hey Türkiye message? 09:26, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- This is somewhat tricky and you are not expected to know all wikis on the platform, but it would be highly beneficial to know what wikis are present and at least at the top of platform traffic. In this case AllTheTropes is a very large wiki for the platform covering everything described and so would be considered a fork and at least a direct competitor, which is a problem. For this reason it cannot be accepted and the user should be directed to the wiki doing exactly what they describe. --Raidarr (talk) 12:17, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- Response I couldn't find anything to answer right now :/, @Raidarr is there anything else you want to ask? Hey Türkiye message? 12:58, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- This is somewhat tricky and you are not expected to know all wikis on the platform, but it would be highly beneficial to know what wikis are present and at least at the top of platform traffic. In this case AllTheTropes is a very large wiki for the platform covering everything described and so would be considered a fork and at least a direct competitor, which is a problem. For this reason it cannot be accepted and the user should be directed to the wiki doing exactly what they describe. --Raidarr (talk) 12:17, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- Public wiki named "Humor Wiki" - Description "A wiki for jokes. It will describe every singe joke in detail and their punchlines, alongside comedians. It will also cover comedy films and books as well."
- Response The scope of this wiki is sufficient. I would approve of his wiki, provided it complies with its content policy. Hey Türkiye message? 09:26, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Discussion
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
Support
- Support
Per raidarr. I strongly suggest undergoing a mentorship-type program with an existing wiki creator, or even a prior one; of course, if willing to help.-- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 15:47, 2 October 2022 (UTC)Support vote striked to support. The user is generally trusted, and the questions had most answers correct. I trust that the user can learn from the environment, I still say, hey, you should try a mentorship-type program, but as long as you can correctly approve/decline wiki requests, it's a +1 from me. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 20:11, 2 October 2022 (UTC)- my goal is to help everyone anyway @Bukkit, I made this application to speed up the work of wiki creators, thanks for your vote. Hey Türkiye message? 16:09, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- Switched to support, I personally think you'd do well as long as you give some practice and confer with your peers. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 20:16, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- Response Have no doubt that I will ask questions when I do a transaction with peers @Bukkit, I wish you a pleasant day. Thank you again for changing your vote and voting. These comments inspire me. Kind regards, Hey Türkiye message? 20:30, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- Switched to support, I personally think you'd do well as long as you give some practice and confer with your peers. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 20:16, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- my goal is to help everyone anyway @Bukkit, I made this application to speed up the work of wiki creators, thanks for your vote. Hey Türkiye message? 16:09, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- Weak support User answered most questions to my satisfaction. The Goose Named Zeus (talk|contribs|accounts|uploads|email) 16:43, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- Response @ZeusDeeGoose Thank you for your vote, I'm happy if my comments and answers satisfied you :) I wish you a pleasant day. Yours truly Hey Türkiye message? 20:27, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- No problem. ZeusDeeGoose (talk) 20:39, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- Response @ZeusDeeGoose Thank you for your vote, I'm happy if my comments and answers satisfied you :) I wish you a pleasant day. Yours truly Hey Türkiye message? 20:27, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- Support Active user and I believe the user can help in this role. AlPaD (talk) 19:36, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you @AlPaD for voting, seeing these trusts gives me courage. I wish you a pleasant evening (If You Use UTC time) Hey Türkiye message? 20:25, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Abstain
- Abstain This candidate's strength is probably being multilingual, I think it might help to know what the other languages are. That said, native English understanding does not strike me as this candidate's strong suit, which could result in communication issues since all core volunteers and most requests are English based. More difficultly, this candidate has little operational experience or background understanding with the allowances and stipulations of requests. It would be helpful to work with an active wiki creator/core volunteer to develop this understanding since understanding 'the lay of the land' is critical along with good judgement based on the Content Policy. I abstain, but the issues mean I could not support at this time if pushed to a clear vote. --Raidarr (talk) 12:21, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Raidarr Thank you raidarr for your abstention, glad to hear that from an experienced steward. I can say that my mother tongue is not English, but Turkish. Of course, this experience is a bit too necessary for the wiki creator, I'm aware of that. but it still helps me if you tell me your thoughts. Kind regards Hey Türkiye message? 12:26, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah no prob, and I think with time you could get the necessary background. Not being correct initially is not a breaker, it's largely about attitude and growth. Turkish is unfortunately a very limited use language here (I think I've seen no more than two in my time) but having that and growing your English can still result in strength. I'd give similar advice to Buel who I missed above, and for anyone else with similar circumstances thinking about it. You can get a lot just from watching the request queue when processed (right now the key people aren't at their best unfortunately), and noting the exceptions, scruples and sometimes inconsistency that happens. And of course, you can get more information from someone experienced. Dmehus used to offer some guides for best practices that are in extension of or cover holes with Content Policy in making decisions. --Raidarr (talk) 12:32, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Raidarr I guess now I realize that you were like me in the past. Dmehus was like me, he knew nothing. but he improved himself by taking notes. Thank you again for your words raidarr, I will continue to improve myself whether this application is negative or positive. Kind regards Hey Türkiye message? 12:42, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah no prob, and I think with time you could get the necessary background. Not being correct initially is not a breaker, it's largely about attitude and growth. Turkish is unfortunately a very limited use language here (I think I've seen no more than two in my time) but having that and growing your English can still result in strength. I'd give similar advice to Buel who I missed above, and for anyone else with similar circumstances thinking about it. You can get a lot just from watching the request queue when processed (right now the key people aren't at their best unfortunately), and noting the exceptions, scruples and sometimes inconsistency that happens. And of course, you can get more information from someone experienced. Dmehus used to offer some guides for best practices that are in extension of or cover holes with Content Policy in making decisions. --Raidarr (talk) 12:32, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Raidarr Thank you raidarr for your abstention, glad to hear that from an experienced steward. I can say that my mother tongue is not English, but Turkish. Of course, this experience is a bit too necessary for the wiki creator, I'm aware of that. but it still helps me if you tell me your thoughts. Kind regards Hey Türkiye message? 12:26, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Oppose
Abstain Temporarily until finding more information. On the surface user looks trustworthy and competent. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 00:51, 3 October 2022 (UTC)Weak oppose Simply put, the user only has 108 edits on Meta, 20 of which have come from this RfP alone. Most activity is only on the user's own wikis, and while that is amazing and I am in full support of their endeavors, I don't see a full understanding of Meta conventions and policies. I'd recommend being more active on Meta, and revisit this in a month or two, I'm sure you will receive a lot more support then. Other than that, I have absolutely no opposition to any other statistics, 12 months since account creation, 3,000 global edits, it all looks good. Just more activity on Meta. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 23:25, 3 October 2022 (UTC)- Response @BrandonWM Thank you for voting, I serve you my cause and I will continue to do so, Miraheze for one, all for one! Kind regards, Hey Türkiye message? 04:55, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose I just think it is too early.
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- @小美粉粉 Special thanks for your vote, I know it's too late for me to apply but my goal here is to collaborate with the wiki creator and ease their work. If you have any questions, I will gladly answer you :) Best regards, Hey Türkiye message? 04:44, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Per Raidarr mainly. I don't exactly have any issues with you being a WC however, I would like to see you more active on Meta so that I may be more acquainted with your judgement, reasoning, and amicableness and cannot support at this time without being able to see this up close. Agent Isai Talk to me! 20:47, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- Response I'm more active in Meta than I can be right now Agent Isai, I'm so sorry you said this, I know it's a late application but you better think about it, wiki creator miraheze's biggest problem and there is no one active. I think you should rethink your game. Hey Türkiye message? 05:41, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Response @Agent Isai edit: I'm not saying there's no one to take care of it, sorry for that. There is someone to look after, but the number of people active in the meta is very small. Hey Türkiye message? 11:56, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Response I'm more active in Meta than I can be right now Agent Isai, I'm so sorry you said this, I know it's a late application but you better think about it, wiki creator miraheze's biggest problem and there is no one active. I think you should rethink your game. Hey Türkiye message? 05:41, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Per Agent Isai. by Buel ·Talk·Wikimail 13:39, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Response ignore the rule that every person will always be active, @Buel, @Agent Isai can be on days when he is not that active. We have a private life outside of the miraheze here. I would like to underline that you should think 1000 times while voting once. You shouldn't be fooled by everyone's opinion. Hey Türkiye message? 14:15, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Response look a little from my side; you are a manager. We have a private life outside of Miraheze. Like Agent Isai, If I make too many changes, I'll be deprived of my life. You have a life too, don't you? Do you make so much change, don't expect an attitude like make people change a lot as slaves. Not just to you, but to everyone. Hey Türkiye message? 14:22, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- @HeyTürkiye
- i dont think the Ability of a volunteers life should play any role in this, i mean as long as the user has shown they can be active. That is what matters Cocopuff2018 (talk) 01:54, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Response look a little from my side; you are a manager. We have a private life outside of Miraheze. Like Agent Isai, If I make too many changes, I'll be deprived of my life. You have a life too, don't you? Do you make so much change, don't expect an attitude like make people change a lot as slaves. Not just to you, but to everyone. Hey Türkiye message? 14:22, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Response ignore the rule that every person will always be active, @Buel, @Agent Isai can be on days when he is not that active. We have a private life outside of the miraheze here. I would like to underline that you should think 1000 times while voting once. You shouldn't be fooled by everyone's opinion. Hey Türkiye message? 14:15, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
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Bukkit (Wiki creator)
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- Clear consensus to promote. Welcome aboard! Agent Isai Talk to me! 06:22, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Bukkit (talk • contribs • page moves • block log • CA • rights log • global rights log • abuselog • farmer log • block)
Group: Wiki creator
Reason: Hello, I am Bukkit. I am a fairly active user, and I am an Interwiki Admin, and (despite revoked due to prior conduct) previously, a patroller. I am requesting this right as it seems clear that there is a need for another wiki creator as the backlog is often clogged resulting in users having to go through “waves” to clear it out, which is clearly a problem, as the newer users expect wikis to be made in at least less than a day, and they may turn their business elsewhere, or grow unhappy with the status of Miraheze, alongside the stress and unneeded work for wiki creators, and as such, there's a growing need for additional members on the WC team. As a wiki creator, I should be able to clear the backlog, and even prevent one. I understand the Content Policy, the Code of Conduct, and have fully read the Wiki creators’ guide. Feel fere to ask questions, I should be able to answer them. As always, thank you for your consideration. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 16:42, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
Questions for candidate
Bukkit, although I support you, I have a few questions to ask you. This question will not affect my support. I hope you can answer my questions completely. Hey Türkiye message? 18:58, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- Your support should never be blind as it appears to be now. You should always scrutinize a user before giving them your vote. Agent Isai Talk to me! 14:23, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Response @Agent Isai think like that; people can be angry sometimes, and if giving rights is an insult (in our religion), he has learned his lesson. Bukkit seems to have learned its lesson, too. Remember that Agent Isai; Every person has 3 rights, people are given 3 rights. 4. No rights are granted. Hey Türkiye message? 14:52, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- I'm sorry but I did not understand that, could you elaborate? Giving rights isn't an insult I'd say so I'm not too terribly sure of what you meant by that. Agent Isai Talk to me! 04:32, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Response @Agent Isai think like that; people can be angry sometimes, and if giving rights is an insult (in our religion), he has learned his lesson. Bukkit seems to have learned its lesson, too. Remember that Agent Isai; Every person has 3 rights, people are given 3 rights. 4. No rights are granted. Hey Türkiye message? 14:52, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- These days, users are reacting to the closure of Qualitipedia wikis. Well, if a user receives a wiki request from you, such as another version of Qualitipedia hosting content (for example, Qualitipedia 2.0), would you accept it, and if you reject it, what would your answer be to that user? Hey Türkiye message? 18:58, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- You know, wiki requests are also created according to the subject, it is possible to see that the wiki requests are accumulated in 3 days if you do not look at them. So in this case, would you work with the common user? Hey Türkiye message? 18:58, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- You created the wiki and noticed that the local Bureaucrat who requested the wiki created a wikimedia fork wiki. What steps do you take to close it, open a discussion to close it to the community, or close the wiki by justifying it individually? Hey Türkiye message? 18:58, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- We need wiki creators right now because there are so many requests, but are you busy in your private life, can you contribute to Miraheze? Hey Türkiye message? 18:58, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- Decline, as per the Content Policy § 3: "A wiki must not create problems which make it difficult for other wikis." as well as the wikis were closed by community consensus, are generally toxic, and causes reputation problems for Miraheze.
- I'm sorry, but I cannot understand what you're trying to say, could you please explain and/or rephrase it?
- Create a discussion on the Stewards' noticeboard and notify the user about the thread.
- My activity should usually remain the same as it is now, and if it's going to go down, I should be able to post a notice on my user page, and step-down if medium to long-term. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 19:26, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- Response In the second question, I tried to explain this; Wiki requests can pile up if they are never approved or rejected by an administrator. So what would you do with the proliferating wiki requests? I asked a question. I hope it will be explanatory. Hey Türkiye message? 19:39, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- I would likely use my spare time to clear it, most likely with another wiki creator if able to. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 19:52, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- Response Thank you so much for answering my questions directly when I asked them. I have no doubt that you will take care of your wiki creator requests on Miraheze with @ZeusDeeGoose. Best of luck to both users again, with respect and love ❤ (The answers to the questions satisfied me, I forgot to write that too) Hey Türkiye message? 19:56, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- I would likely use my spare time to clear it, most likely with another wiki creator if able to. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 19:52, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- Response In the second question, I tried to explain this; Wiki requests can pile up if they are never approved or rejected by an administrator. So what would you do with the proliferating wiki requests? I asked a question. I hope it will be explanatory. Hey Türkiye message? 19:39, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- What do you bring to the team that others don't? Agent Isai Talk to me! 14:23, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Mostly more activity, some of the wiki creators are there at times and some aren't, there are a few wiki creators' that are active leading to creations taking a little while to be created, leading to users joining the discord and asking for their wikis to be created/reviewed. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 17:16, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Do you foresee yourself being active in the immediate future? Agent Isai Talk to me! 14:23, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- As mentioned in my IWA request, my activity should be better than the last few months as I have better managed my time. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 17:18, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- How well-versed would you say you are with policy and convention? Agent Isai Talk to me! 14:23, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Over my (almost) 2 years of being on Miraheze, I've read and familiarized all of the policies (mostly because of past me requesting Wiki Creator like every 2 weeks :p). -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 17:21, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Have you read the WC guide and Content Policy? Agent Isai Talk to me! 14:23, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yep. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 17:22, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Below are a few wiki requests I'd like you to answer and give thoughts on. Agent Isai Talk to me! 14:23, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Wiki name: "Polandball Wiki Users" Wiki database name: "pbwuserswiki" Visibility: Public Description: "Wiki documents all users within the Polandball Wiki community, their accomplishments, goals, controversy, and history"
- Decline per Content Policy § 3; Miraheze does not host wikis with the sole purpose to spread unsubstantiated insult, hate or rumours against a person or group of people. This wiki has the potential to cause drama due to the scope itself and is target to false rumors towards individuals that someone may not like. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 18:44, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with declining this for Content Policy concern that may arise from this. Generally, we don't accept any 'user' wikis as they have the ease to explode into dumpster fires, especially wikis of communities such as Polandball, Roblox, and Minecraft. Agent Isai Talk to me! 04:32, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Decline per Content Policy § 3; Miraheze does not host wikis with the sole purpose to spread unsubstantiated insult, hate or rumours against a person or group of people. This wiki has the potential to cause drama due to the scope itself and is target to false rumors towards individuals that someone may not like. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 18:44, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Wiki name: "My notes" Wiki database name: "948934wiki" Visibility: Private Description: "Private notes for myself"
- Accept although vague, the notes are private; I'd advise the user to follow the Content Policy and Terms of Use at all times. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 18:55, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- While the scope is fine, make sure to keep an eye out for subdomains. If you find a subdomain that doesn't fit in with the intended scope, make sure to ask them to change it to fit their scope or, if it's a private wiki, ask them too why they chose it. Agent Isai Talk to me! 04:32, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Accept although vague, the notes are private; I'd advise the user to follow the Content Policy and Terms of Use at all times. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 18:55, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Wiki name: "Final Fantasy Wiki" Wiki database name: "subdomainwiki" Visibility: Public Description: "Final Fantasy is a game franchise created by Hironobu Sakaguchi and developed and owned by Square Enix. We want to make a new wiki about this on Miraheze because we see you offer great service. Thank you for reading!"
- Decline due to vague description as well as the subdomain should be changed, will send comment via the RequestWiki comments telling the user how to change the subdomain -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 18:55, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with this. Always make sure to keep an eye out on subdomains as overly vague or generic subdomains such as this tend to be issues. Make sure to not accidentally approve something like "mywikiwiki," "examplewiki," "mytestwiki," "mewiki," "awiki," "wwwwiki," etc. as those are overly generic and might be caused by misunderstanding of how the system works. Agent Isai Talk to me! 04:32, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Decline due to vague description as well as the subdomain should be changed, will send comment via the RequestWiki comments telling the user how to change the subdomain -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 18:55, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Wiki name: "Polcompball Reloaded" Wiki database name: "polcompballreloadedwiki" Visibility: Public Description: "Polcompball Reloaded will be a spin-off of Polcompball which will allow for more self-insert OCs and less left propaganda that's inundating the wiki. We'll let users make their own ideology balls and won't restrict them as much as PCB and PCBA do."
- Decline per Content Policy § 4; A wiki must not create problems which make it difficult for other wikis. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 18:44, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with declining this but there's not much reasoning behind why exactly you chose to invoke this clause. It is important to formulate a reasoning on why you declined in order to be 100% sure about declining something and in case you are later asked why you did something, so that you don't have to think of something on the spot and make everyone realise you didn't think it through. Certain communities, such as Polandball, Roblox, and Minecraft, have the ability to bring out the worst in users and cause rifts between them. A wiki like this is likely the cause of conflict within internal leadership or users which prompts this sort of 'spur' wiki which generally tends to be very nasty in nature and CoC/CP issues for Stewards later on. If in doubt, ask a Steward or WC who knows about these topics closely and who may be able to bring into perspective why a certain user is trying to create a wiki, this perhaps may reveal why a rift was created and whether the wiki is a potential troublemaker or not. Agent Isai Talk to me! 04:32, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Decline per Content Policy § 4; A wiki must not create problems which make it difficult for other wikis. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 18:44, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Wiki name: "Grand Grimoire Wiki" Wiki database name: "grandgrimoirewiki" Visibility: Public Description: "OC group. We saw your service and we would love to have a wiki on it. You offer a lot more flexibility than other wiki hosts so we chose you over other hosts like Fandom from where we come from. We like that your host lets us choose who can edit, our old wiki has lots of spam and that doesn't let us edit in peace. Hope you approve ~"
- Decline and request clarification of what the wiki is about. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 18:44, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- I agree. Sometimes, you might look at a wiki request that's several sentences (even paragraphs) long and might think "What a perfection of wiki request!" but in reality, it might be 90% 'filler' (what I call all information in a request that doesn't relate to the scope). For example, a wiki request might talk several sentences of why they think Miraheze is good, Fandom is bad, why they want to migrate, what features they want to use, but if you dissect it, you'll realise that basically a word or two in their request described the scope and that that isn't enough to help you assess the request so when in doubt, ask for clarification. Agent Isai Talk to me! 04:32, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Decline and request clarification of what the wiki is about. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 18:44, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Wiki name: "Minecraft Mods" Wiki database name: "mcmodswiki" Visibility: Public Description: "Documenting Minecraft mods, both client and server plugins, in an encyclopedic manner"
- Accept good rationale. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 18:55, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with this assessment. Even if it's short, as long as it cuts straight to the chase, it's good. Agent Isai Talk to me! 04:32, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Accept good rationale. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 18:55, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Wiki name: "Научная вики" Wiki database name: "sciencewiki" Visibility: Public Description: "Научная вики будет посвящена только научным темам, полученным из официальных источников в академических кругах."
- Approve, good scope. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 18:55, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- I disagree with this approval. While the scope is good, the subdomain is not. It is essential that you always make sure that non-English wikis occupy a subdomain which reflects that they aren't an English wiki, especially if a request takes up such a generic word like "science". If a wiki is not in English, decline and ask them to select a subdomain which reflects that they are a non-English wiki, even if an English wiki doesn't currently occupy the subdomain itself. Can you imagine a "gameswiki" which was in Chinese and not English? If someone else later wanted to start a wiki on games, they'd have a hard time and users might be confused on why they don't occupy the "games.*" subdomain. We've had issues with such generic subdomains in the past too. If I'm not mistaken, the Russian CountryHumans Wiki occupies "countryhumanswiki" and the English CountryHumans Wiki has to use "countryhumanswikiwiki" which is an SEO issue in the end and causes headaches for users who are confused. If the Russian CountryHumans Wiki had occupied countryhumansruwiki since the beginning, this wouldn't have been such an issue. Agent Isai Talk to me! 04:32, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Approve, good scope. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 18:55, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Wiki name: "Everyone Wiki" Wiki database name: "everyonewiki" Visibility: Public Description: "Wikipedia but without the notability requirements"
- Decline, Wikipedia clones are a dime a dozen on Miraheze, would suggest user to contribute to one of the existing ones, plus no notability requirements could result in false claims about people. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 18:55, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with this. We generally do not approve Wikipedia-like projects anymore as 1) We have too many of them and 2) They always end up being a copyright issue pain. Agent Isai Talk to me! 04:32, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Decline, Wikipedia clones are a dime a dozen on Miraheze, would suggest user to contribute to one of the existing ones, plus no notability requirements could result in false claims about people. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 18:55, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Wiki name: "BootyTapper" Wiki database name: "bootytapperwiki" Visibility: Public Description: "NSFW game made by NSFWSoft, LLC. We want to create a community wiki to document game history, achievements, mods, and more."
- On hold, would confer with stewards and other wiki creators. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 18:44, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Generally, we always decline and ask them if they agree to the 3 conventions (soon to be policy) of: 1) Not having NSFW stuff in their main page, 2) putting a sitenotice warning users the content is not meant for minors and 3) Collapsing NSFW content by default. We also ask them to read the Code of Conduct, Content Policy, and to certify that their wiki will be in compliance with British law. If in doubt of course, ask a Steward. Agent Isai Talk to me! 04:32, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- On hold, would confer with stewards and other wiki creators. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 18:44, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Wiki name: "Jessica's Great Eurovision Song Contest" Wiki database name: "jgescwiki" Visibility: Public Description: "I want to keep track of my own Eurovision-like song contest. This wiki will be used just by me and a few other people."
- Approved description is clear. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 18:55, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- I agree, scope is good. Agent Isai Talk to me! 04:32, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Approved description is clear. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 18:55, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Wiki name: "Super Smash Bros Wiki" Wiki database name: "smashbroswiki" Visibility: Public Description: "Super Smash Bros is a game made by Nintendo. I want to document every aspect of it, from it's pre-release history to its newest DLC fighters."
- Approve clear scope. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 18:55, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with this approval but I warn you about duplicate wikis. Before approving a wiki of such popular scope, search on Google if we have a wiki on this topic. I've found sometimes wikis I'm about to approve end up being a duplicate of a similar wiki so two wikis on the same topic would've been an SEO issue. Agent Isai Talk to me! 04:32, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Approve clear scope. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 18:55, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Wiki name: "Polandball Wiki Users" Wiki database name: "pbwuserswiki" Visibility: Public Description: "Wiki documents all users within the Polandball Wiki community, their accomplishments, goals, controversy, and history"
- Wiki name: "4chan /b/ general" Wiki database name: "4chanbgenwiki" Visibility: Public Description: "/b/ is a random place and we thought it would be funny if we made a wiki documenting everything they've ever done, classic regulars, and others."
- Decline, 4chan itself is controversial, /b/ has virtually no rules and thus subject to egregious violations of our Content Policy, Code of Conduct and Terms of Use. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 18:55, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with this. Per the Content Policy, things which cause undue attention to the farm are prohibited and a wiki which would document such a place will certainly cause not only that but unsubstantiated insult and more. Agent Isai Talk to me! 04:32, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Decline, 4chan itself is controversial, /b/ has virtually no rules and thus subject to egregious violations of our Content Policy, Code of Conduct and Terms of Use. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 18:55, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- In the end, your answers seem fine. I just warn you about subdomains, make sure they fit a wiki's scope and purpose. If a wiki focuses on a niche topic within a larger topic, don't approve it so as to allow a wiki in the future which embarks to the whole topic to occupy that subdomain. For example, I've seen in the past wikis which discuss one game within a franchise occupy the name of the entire franchise in their subdomain which ended up being an issue for a wiki in the future which wanted to focus on the entire franchise not being able to use that subdomain. Additionally, be careful with Polandball (especially Polcompball), Roblox, and Minecraft wikis, they sometimes end up giving us headaches as some wikis have the tendency to stir up drama and require constant CVT or Steward attention. At this moment, we have a case on a Polandball-related wiki where someone is accusing another of being a pedophile so we have to meditate this issue and resolve it as this is causing a rift within the community. We also have a Minecraft wiki at the moment which is an entire CP issue so we're looking at that too so if in doubt, ask them to certify that they've read the CP and CoC and that they promise to abide and enforce the policy at all times under penalty of wiki closure and as always, ask a Steward if you're stumped. We know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two ;) Agent Isai Talk to me! 04:32, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Alright, thanks for the questions and responses. I was mostly confused about the
sciencewiki
question and polcomball ones. I had a feeling that the subdomain for science wiki should have been related to Russian, but didn’t know what the subdomain would have been since special characters are not allowed; just realized that it could have beenrusciencewiki
or something along those lines. Forpolcompballreloadedwiki
, I knew it would be a decline, but not 100% certain for what reason. I thought it would per Content Policy § 4 since it seemed like a clone but with a small twist. Again, thank you for the questions, and I'll be sure to ask a steward if I have any questions. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 07:23, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Alright, thanks for the questions and responses. I was mostly confused about the
- Wiki name: "4chan /b/ general" Wiki database name: "4chanbgenwiki" Visibility: Public Description: "/b/ is a random place and we thought it would be funny if we made a wiki documenting everything they've ever done, classic regulars, and others."
Questions HeyTürkiye asked Bukkit for the 2nd time
Dear Bukkit, I also have some questions to ask, I would be very happy if you could answer them. Hey Türkiye message? 07:49, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Insult vs. You have experienced events, what would 6your reaction be if someone angered you? Hey Türkiye message? 07:49, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Remain calm; diplomatic relations between users is vital. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 08:22, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- You know that Wiki creators either act collectively or act individually. Let's imagine; A wiki creator looks at the same application as you, and he approves when you reject it. such confusion arises. What would your methods be in this situation, what would you do? Hey Türkiye message? 07:49, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- I would ask them why they approved the wiki, and depending on the situation, request that the wiki gets deleted. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 08:27, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- For example, user XXXXX58 submitted a wiki reference. This wiki application made an application to denigrate Turkey's politics and insult the Republic of Turkey. Let the namespace be turkiyeçokberbat.miraheze.org. Would you approve this application? Hey Türkiye message? 07:49, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Decline per Content Policy § 3; Miraheze does not host wikis with the sole purpose to spread unsubstantiated insult, hate or rumours against a person or group of people, also the subdomain contains characters that are not allowed in subdomains. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 10:10, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Now, I have some wiki suggestions to ask you. very Thank you if you answer. Hey Türkiye message? 07:49, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Wiki name: "Yasak Elma Wiki" Wiki database name: "yasakelmawiki" Visibility: A public wiki Description: "The series will provide information about the Forbidden Apple series broadcast by the FOX TV channel in Turkey. The purpose of the wiki is to tell the characters played in the Forbidden Apple and the story of the series." Hey Türkiye message? 09:10, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Accept clear scope. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 10:14, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Wiki name: "Recep Tayyip Erdogan Wiki" Wiki database name: "rtewiki" Visibility: A public wiki Description: "I will organize a smear campaign against the President of the Turkish Republic. I will insult Erdogan, I will not leave any swear words!" Hey Türkiye message? 09:10, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Decline per Content Policy § 3; Miraheze does not host wikis with the sole purpose to spread unsubstantiated insult, hate or rumours against a person or group of people -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 10:15, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Wiki name: "Miraditary" Wiki database name: "miradictionarywiki" Visibility: A public wiki Description: "This Wiki will be an official dictionary of Miraheze, It will contain information taken from the dictionary." (NOTE: but the local bureaucrat of this wiki will create forked copyrighted articles from Wikimedia without telling you) Hey Türkiye message? 09:10, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Decline, not because of copyright violations (I don’t know that when I accept it), but because of the description. It says that it’s the “official” and mixed with the prefix mira-, it could mislead users into thinking it’s an official Miraheze wiki. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 10:18, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Wiki name: "Ruhi Cenet Wiki" Wiki database name: "ruhicenetwiki" Visibility: A public wiki Description: "In this wiki, there will be a review article about Ruhi Cenet's videos." Hey Türkiye message? 09:10, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Request clarification. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 10:20, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Wiki name: "Sivas Gazi Lisesi Wiki" Wiki database name: "sivasgazilisesiwiki" Visibility: Private Description: "This Wiki will contain gossip at Sivas Gazi high school, how bad the teachers are, conversations." Hey Türkiye message? 09:10, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Decline as per Content Policy § 3, has potential to spread rumors and (but not necessarily) “dox” people in the school. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 10:25, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Wiki name: "Bad People Wiki" Wiki database name: "badpeoplewiki" Visibility: A public wiki Description: "This wiki will give information about the murderer people in Turkey and will scare little children a lot." Hey Türkiye message? 09:10, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Decline due to opportunity for toxicity and false information against a person. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 10:26, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Wiki name: "Minecraft Mods Wiki" Wiki database name: "minecraftmodswiki" Visibility: A public wiki Description: "The purpose of this Wiki is to give information about mods in Minecraft, what is in that mod, characters, (creatures), what blocks it has, pictures and information about them (disposable because it is copyrighted). Its scope will only be built on Minecraft Mods." Hey Türkiye message? 09:10, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Accept, clear scope. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 10:28, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Wiki name: "World Song Contest 2023 Wiki" Wiki database name: "worldsongcontest2023wiki" Visibility: Private Description: "This Wiki provides scores etc. by the World song contest judges. Written and a private wiki on who the winner is, it will become a public wiki once it's announced." Hey Türkiye message? 09:10, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Accept, decent scope. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 10:29, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Wiki name: "Pinterest Wiki" Wiki database name: "pinterestwiki" Visibility: A public wiki Description: "This Wiki will not provide information and photos about the Popular Social Media app Pinterest, but rather disparage Pinterest." Hey Türkiye message? 09:10, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Decline, misleading subdomain and chance of general toxicity. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 10:31, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Wiki name: "Chat with Friends Wiki" Wiki database name: "friendswiki" Visibility: Public Description: "This Wiki is a chat wiki with My Friends. Thanks to this wiki, we can joke with our friends, chat and chat. I want to create a wiki with humor and laughter with today's bear." Hey Türkiye message? 09:10, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- I’m honestly uncertain, I’d confer with my peers. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 10:32, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- CAUTION! This text contains +18, do not take it seriously. This text was only asked if Bukkit would approve of This Wiki. If you don't like such things, skip this text immediately. Wiki name: "NSFW S** Wiki" Wiki database name: "nsfwswiki" Visibility: Hidden Description: "I want to create a wiki that will allow kids to fuck easily and get used to it, that will make kids addicted." Hey Türkiye message? 09:13, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Decline and report to stewards and/or T&S due to description of the wiki. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 10:33, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Wiki name: "Yasak Elma Wiki" Wiki database name: "yasakelmawiki" Visibility: A public wiki Description: "The series will provide information about the Forbidden Apple series broadcast by the FOX TV channel in Turkey. The purpose of the wiki is to tell the characters played in the Forbidden Apple and the story of the series." Hey Türkiye message? 09:10, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry for the lateness but here are some of my own questions/situations for you to answer. Reception123 (talk) (C) 17:51, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- A wiki called 'stalinwiki' whose description says "I want to make a wiki about the good things that Joseph Stalin did and why Stalinism and Communism is still a great model for society". Reception123 (talk) (C) 17:51, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Confer to stewards, however I would be leaning toward decline due to potential propaganda on-wiki, and controversy about the wiki. I frankly don't have much experience on political wiki-requests, nothing is really stated about it and if it's allowed on-wiki other than existing clauses, in which hardly fits the scope of political wikis based on one person. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 21:00, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- A wiki called 'zekesprivatenotes' whose description says "This wiki will be used be me for some private notes I'd like to host on a wiki". Reception123 (talk) (C) 17:51, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Approve, would tell the user to ensure that the wiki follows the Content Policy, ToU, and Code of Conduct at all times. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 21:01, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- A wiki called 'terriblecitieswiki' whose description says "This wiki will list some cities that we really think are terrible and we will list the reasons for why they are terrible on each page". Reception123 (talk) (C) 17:51, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Decline, reception wikis on real life places/people have never turned out to be good. This has a great opportunity to violate our policies, as well as the controversies that Miraheze can get into. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 21:05, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- A wiki about a popular TV show whose description says "This wiki will feature articles about <insert name of popular TV show> as well as images from the show". Reception123 (talk) (C) 17:51, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- A wiki called 'stalinwiki' whose description says "I want to make a wiki about the good things that Joseph Stalin did and why Stalinism and Communism is still a great model for society". Reception123 (talk) (C) 17:51, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Discussion
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
- Support there is enough community support for me, and he answered questions to my satisfaction. I'm restoring my vote as long as it doesn't insult. Hey Türkiye message? 19:31, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- While reviewing in waves is the norm, wiki requests rarely take more than a day. And when they do it's because the wiki creator asks a question that the requestor doesn't answer. Naleksuh (talk) 19:56, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- Even then, it takes hours for a request to even get declined or accepted due to the wiki creators going in waves. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 20:12, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah and? Naleksuh (talk) 20:27, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- If you were on the Discord server (tbh, shame #general isn’t bridged to irc but it is what it is) you’d see at least one person asking what’s taking their wiki request so long; there’s clear need that there’s a need for a few more wiki creators. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 07:34, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah and? Naleksuh (talk) 20:27, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- Even then, it takes hours for a request to even get declined or accepted due to the wiki creators going in waves. -- Bukkit[cetacean needed] 20:12, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- Support Know and trust user. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 23:54, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Support No issues with this request. They seem to be a good candidate, and I believe they can handle such a role. --Zeus (talk|contribs|accounts|email) 22:33, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- Strongest support good luck with you're request --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 01:50, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- In light of the current urgency (the aforementioned 'rarely more than a day' has been sorely tested with the limited active pool), the fact that Bukkit has answered a withering and near-record volume of questions amicably and the fact he's shaped up considerably from earlier times, I think I can reasonably offer a Support. --Raidarr (talk) 01:25, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- I am sorry for not being actively being on top of wiki requests. The entire year has been tough for me for a variety of personal reasons including doing my best to hide from a stalker and my cat having died recently. Bukkit, I never opposed your request but I just didn't support it. If you are interested in being a wiki creator, join #miraheze-wikicreators and #miraheze-wikicreators-feed (the latter of which is a new channel recently made). Thank you to Agent Isai for reviewing requests. I will try to be more on top of them and I am glad Bukkit will help too. Especially because I did notice the last time we got a new wiki creator was November 2021. Naleksuh (talk) 04:26, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
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