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MacFan4000 (Administrator)[edit source]
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- Some concerns and reservations have been raised by several users regarding activity so MacFan4000 should keep those in mind. Overall, the request is successful. Reception123 (talk) (C) 19:09, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
MacFan4000 (talk • contribs • page moves • block log • CA • rights log • global rights log • abuselog • farmer log • block)
Group: Administrator
Reason: Similar to 1108-Kiju, I frequently monitor the meta IRC feed. This would enable me to help out with spam when nobody else is around. I also would make use of the pagetranslation
user right, marking pages for translation, and making new high-traffic pages translatable. I was a translationadmin
until the group was abolished, and am not eligible for Translator rights as there isn't another language that I am able to translate into. I also update documentation and such from time to time, and the ability to edit fully-protected pages would be useful. I have 3500+ edits globally, and previously held sysop rights from May 2018 until August 2019. I also hold sysop rights on Miraheze Commons (albeit not alot happens on that wiki), and I am a sysop on the legacy WikiTide meta. I am also an SRE member, but I generally haven't had too much trouble balancing time between roles. Thank you for your consideration, and I look forward to serving the community should I be elected to this role. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 23:55, 20 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- I feel that I should also mention that I am often reachable on IRC, usually just a ping away. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 23:57, 20 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Questions for candidate[edit source]
Discussion[edit source]
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
- Support Let me start. MacFan4000 is an active volunteer who's demonstrated their interest in the success of the platform. It's also beneficial to have depth in key roles. – Jph2 (talk) 00:32, 21 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Abstain I've heard arguments both ways on this and will not make a concrete decision until I see others' opinions and arguments. That being said, MacFan4000 has had mistakes at times, but has also improved incredibly and is a trusted volunteer on Miraheze, and a genuinely good guy. Thus, abstain. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 00:35, 21 February 2024 (UTC)Please see below vote. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 15:03, 22 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]- Support, I think MacFan would be unproblematic and helpful in this role. Possibly not the most active/front line but I believe he can provide consistently over time and his interests as admin would fill a niche that might not be addressed as regularly otherwise. Barring a new niche or need I do think this will make for plenty of admins for the time being. --raidarr (💬) 02:01, 21 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support above. Would be helpful to Miraheze Commetian Empire (talk°•◇•°CentralAuth) 02:49, 21 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Oppose Unfortunately can not support this request due to the last time were were a Meta Administrator here with your sudden disappearance after the events the first time you were SRE. Someone who had a history of sudden disappearance, and also not all that active in SRE now, other than SSL requests, etc... I just can't bring myself to support this request. It's nothing personal, and I have respect for you but history just doesn't show me the right to really support this request. Universal Omega (talk) 05:26, 21 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- That was 5 years ago, and tried my best to improve since then, and am committed to further improvement. But I do understand where you are coming from. Unfortunately college does limit the amount of time that I can devote to Miraheze. I do feel like I put a lot more time in the past year then I ordinarily would have, since I was one of the only people able to handle requests, and we got a lot of them. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 05:42, 21 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Partial support I see both sides of the argument. However, I'm willing to give MacFan4000 a chance to improve on the past. Coming from an extremely similar background as a previously problematic user, I am empathetic to the situation and fully believe everyone deserves a second chance. I have some reservations, but they're nearly outweighed by the potential benefits of MacFan on the team. I can't fully support this request just yet, but I can to an extent, so it's a weakest support for me. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 15:03, 22 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Neutral Since the candidate has already been administrator here there are certainly less concerns than with a new candidate. I am not enthused by the over-emphasis of translation and marking pages for translation given the recent Request for Comments where it was made clear that the role of translation on Meta would take a step back and there will not be a large need for non-translators to be marking pages for translation. I am also worried by Universal Omega's comments related to activity. That being said I acknowledge that preparing the few pages left for translation and "updating documentation" is not something that many users enjoy doing so there might be a use for that. Since there are arguments on both sides I am not able to reach a conclusion either way. --DeeM28 (talk) 15:39, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support I am supporting because MacFan4000 is qualified to do the job. I feel that MacFan4000 is committed.
Based on what has been discussed, it sounds like the issue is whether MacFan4000 can coordinate with the team so that a position may be freed and made available to be filled by the next admin as opposed to being filled by a dormant or absent body until someone notices. As I understand from previous RfCs involving inactivity and dormancies, dormancies make measuring necessary coverage very difficult. It is also very difficult to remove someone from a position due to inactivity. It is understood that every volunteer has outside commitments. Yet for some of us, it also takes time to develop a sense of knowing when to step down. I'm willing to give second chance and see how this will turn out. ---- Imamy (talk) 02:46, 5 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Pisces (Wiki creator)[edit source]
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- clear consensus to promote, candidate is encouraged to use all resources available to them (including role-specific community channels) to ensure success. --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 06:34, 8 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Pisces (talk • contribs • page moves • block log • CA • rights log • global rights log • abuselog • farmer log • block)
Group: Wiki creator
Reason: Hi, so I'm here to request to be a wiki creator, as to help with the backlogs and also allows me to give back to this community after a long times here since 2021. Being a part here actually helped my leveling up my knowledges and social skills that I needed. Questions and comments are welcomed. Thank you and wish you all the best.
Questions for candidate[edit source]
- Can you please answer these Example Wiki requests?
- Sitename:Artpedia subdomain: artpedia.miraheze Private:0 Reasoning: this wiki is to document the history of art and how it had changed throughout the years. The wiki will only cover physical art like painting and not music, AI art, digital art, etc. It will not be used to share files.
- Sitename:Everything guns subdomain: everythingguns.miraheze Private:0 Reasoning: I would like to make a wiki with one of my friends about everything about guns. This will include all guns, cannons, and tanks. It will also include the history of guns and all gun laws.
- Sitename: shoot 'em up wiki subdomain: shootingwiki.miraheze Private:0 Reasoning: this wiki is about a book series of two hunters going out into another country to hunt the biggest buck. The series is called Shoot 'em Up, and it was written a long time ago.[*]
- Sitename: A Survivor's Tale wiki Subdomain: survivorstale.miraheze Private:0 Reasoning: I recently found a book called Maus: A Survivor's Tale, and have gotten very interested in it. It is about Vladek Spiegelman- a Polish Jew trying to survive Hitler's Europe and make it to America. His son, Art (the author of the book) has a very hard time trying to imagine the horrors that his father went through.
- Sitename: New York City Wiki Subdomain: nyc.miraheze Private: 0 Reasoning: this wiki will show its viewers everything that is in NYC. It will tell them about where you can eat, play, etc. (But it will not allow sponsors) It will warn them about places they should not go. There will also be no rules, no staff, since we are created equal! This wiki will help many people!
- This book series doesn't actually exist, this is just for the request Commetian Empire (talk°•◇•°CentralAuth) 13:37, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- artpedia: Can be approved, as long as the wiki does not deviate from the approved scope.
- everythingguns: Can be approved, same as above.
- nyc: Declined. As Miraheze "does not host wikis that operate on the basis of an anarchy system", considering the risks of heavily inappropriate contents.
- shootingwiki: Grain of salt required. I have to ask them for more on the purpose of the wiki itself. However, this can be approved, but not with the perfect scores.
- survivorstale: Grain of salt required. Purpose of the wiki is not clear yet. More questions should be asked.
- Pisces (talk) 15:27, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- 1. Agree.
- 2. Disagree. Please ensure the wiki will not glorify violence first.
- 3. Agree, anarchy isn't allowed.
- 4. Partially agree - glorification of violence. Please also ensure all content is properly attributed.
- 5. Agree. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 16:05, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Please "review" the example requests I have left for OrangeStar above. Thank you. Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 14:14, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- ruukwarwiki: Definitely Declined. I would consider the risk of heavily inappropriate contents, and also the fact that it would violated the point 4 of the Content Policy.
- infopediawiki: Definitely Declined. Violated the point 1 of the Content Policy, as "the primary purpose of a wiki cannot be for commercial activity".
- eurovisionfileswiki: Needs a grain of salt. This is a 'Commons' wiki that hosts shared images repository for a set of wikis hosted here, yet the DB name is not that good to be there, so they just have to changes it and shall be fine.
- jpwikiwiki: Needs a grain of salt. Japanese Wikipedia already does the same of what this wiki do, so more questions are required, exactly when this wiki would be a fork from the JP WP or not.
- pythonmirahezewiki: Grain of salt required. There already is a "official documentaion" at https://wiki.python.org, and I would like to ask more questions in the request before consider approving it or not. I may consider asking them to change the DB name too, for the same reason as OS says.
- taylorswiftwiki: Also need a grain of salt. There is a well-known Taylor Swift Wiki out there at https://taylorswift.fandom.com/wiki/Taylor_Swift. Besides that, I may want to know what they mean "everything" there.
- fantasywiki: Definitely Declined. Point 6 of the Content Policy does not allow it, even in fictional form.
- futurepolwiki: Need a grain of salt. I need to understands how would the articles looks like in the wiki, so more questions asked.
- ilpsconflictwiki: Additional scrutiny required. The conflict itself is getting heated up as of recently in the internet and also IRL. I'm getting a second opinion here.
- Pisces (talk) 15:27, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- 1. Agree.
- 2. Agree.
- 3. Agree.
- 4. Disagree. The scope is far too broad and as such would be declined.
- 5. Partially agree. The dbname would have to be changed in order for the wiki to be approved, but the scope is quite clear.
- 6. Agree. I'd also ask if the requestor will be covering this topic from an NPOV, and how they plan to attribute any musical content they use (if they do).
- 7. Agree.
- 8. How the articles look doesn't matter as much as if they'll cover it from an NPOV, and how they'll ensure the content isn't misconstrued for the truth.
- 9. Agree.
- BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 16:09, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Regarding pythonmirahezewiki, what questions would you ask? And as for both this and taylorswiftwiki, would you decline these because other wikis already exist?
- As for the rest, ditto what BrandonWM said. Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 16:40, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- For the pythonmirahezewiki, it is just about if the requester would just tries to copy everything from the original documentation wiki or not. And for the other question, I would looking at it with discretion, so it depends on the requester's answers. Pisces (talk) 16:52, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- I agree with you regarding pythonmirahezewiki but am confused as to what you mean by "with discretion" regarding taylorswiftwiki; if you are unsure about this, there is nothing in the policy that prohibits wikis on topics which already have wikis elsewhere (with the exception of Wikimedia). Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 16:20, 2 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Tbh, About the other 2 wikis, I was just unsure about those. But you now answered the question, gonna give you a thanks. Pisces (talk) 14:03, 3 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- I agree with you regarding pythonmirahezewiki but am confused as to what you mean by "with discretion" regarding taylorswiftwiki; if you are unsure about this, there is nothing in the policy that prohibits wikis on topics which already have wikis elsewhere (with the exception of Wikimedia). Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 16:20, 2 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- For the pythonmirahezewiki, it is just about if the requester would just tries to copy everything from the original documentation wiki or not. And for the other question, I would looking at it with discretion, so it depends on the requester's answers. Pisces (talk) 16:52, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Below are some questions I would like for you to consider. Agent Isai Talk to me! 02:37, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Wiki name: "Polandball Wiki Users" Wiki database name: "pbwuserswiki" Visibility: Public Description: "Wiki documents all users within the Polandball Wiki community, their accomplishments, goals, controversy, and history"
- Wiki name: "My notes" Wiki database name: "948934wiki" Visibility: Private Description: "Private notes for myself"
- Wiki name: "Final Fantasy Wiki" Wiki database name: "subdomainwiki" Visibility: Public Description: "Final Fantasy is a game franchise created by Hironobu Sakaguchi and developed and owned by Square Enix. We want to make a new wiki about this on Miraheze because we see you offer great service. Thank you for reading!"
- Wiki name: "Polcompball Reloaded" Wiki database name: "polcompballreloadedwiki" Visibility: Public Description: "Polcompball Reloaded will be a spin-off of Polcompball which will allow for more self-insert OCs and less left propaganda that's inundating the wiki. We'll let users make their own ideology balls and won't restrict them as much as PCB and PCBA do."
- Wiki name: "Grand Grimoire Wiki" Wiki database name: "grandgrimoirewiki" Visibility: Public Description: "OC group. We saw your service and we would love to have a wiki on it. You offer a lot more flexibility than other wiki hosts so we chose you over other hosts like Fandom from where we come from. We like that your host lets us choose who can edit, our old wiki has lots of spam and that doesn't let us edit in peace. Hope you approve ~"
- Wiki name: "Minecraft Mods" Wiki database name: "mcmodswiki" Visibility: Public Description: "Documenting Minecraft mods, both client and server plugins, in an encyclopedic manner"
- Wiki name: "Научная вики" Wiki database name: "sciencewiki" Visibility: Public Description: "Научная вики будет посвящена только научным темам, полученным из официальных источников в академических кругах."
- Wiki name: "Everyone Wiki" Wiki database name: "everyonewiki" Visibility: Public Description: "Wikipedia but without the notability requirements"
- Wiki name: "Jessica's Great Eurovision Song Contest" Wiki database name: "jgescwiki" Visibility: Public Description: "I want to keep track of my own Eurovision-like song contest. This wiki will be used just by me and a few other people."
- Wiki name: "Wiki Parmi Nous" Wiki database name: "amonguswiki" Visibility: Public Description: "Bonne journée. Nous souhaitons que vous fassiez preuve de gentillesse et créiez pour nous un wiki qui documenterait le jeu de déduction sociale multijoueur en ligne populaire, qui a une très grande base d'utilisateurs multijoueurs dans diverses parties du monde, notamment en France."
- Wiki name: "Super Smash Bros Wiki" Wiki database name: "smashbroswiki" Visibility: Public Description: "Super Smash Bros is a game made by Nintendo. I want to document every aspect of it, from its pre-release history to its newest DLC fighters."
- Wiki name: "4chan /b/ general" Wiki database name: "4chanbgenwiki" Visibility: Public Description: "/b/ is a random place and we thought it would be funny if we made a wiki documenting everything they've ever done, classic regulars, and others."
- Hold it. Everytime this is involved, I wouldn't have my best answers out there. I would like to ask the team for this.
- Rejected. Needed more details.
- Approved IF: they changed their subdomain.
- Hold it. I wouldn't have my best answers out there. I would like to ask the team for this.
- Approved IF: They can provide more about the wiki purpose.
- Approved.
- Approved.
- Rejected. Too boards.
- Approved IF: They can somehow let users know that this is not real Eurovision stuffs.
- Based on Google Translate, I believe this is Among Us Wiki in France. But only mentioning about how large the game is, I will have to ask them to elaborate more on the purpose of the wiki.
- Approved.
- Hold it. 4chan is already controversial in itself.
- Yet some wise have said that asking is the best tools for us, whenever we have experiences on this or not. Pisces (talk) 05:13, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- I'd like to note that you should not feel obligated to hold any wiki with a scope/explanation that does not follow the current CP, these can be declined. (This is mostly aimed towards 1, 4, and 11.)
- I disagree with the direct approval of the Minecraft Mods wiki as it could easily violate CP#9. I would ask first to clarify.
- I disagree with the approval of the sciencewiki. Note that subdomains that are from non-English wikis must typically denote what language they're in to avoid SEO issues.
- Overall, I believe there are some rough edges in your evaluation process, but these can be smoothed out over time. :) --Blad (t • c • g) 15:22, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- @Blad Looking at your reply here, I understands my actions can have consequences if not done right, so holding and asking for me is the best choices whenever I'm not sure about what I should do. Besides that I would like to know what others are doing and that may give me a change to learn more. Anyway, thanks for your comment. Pisces (talk) 15:37, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Discussion[edit source]
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
- Comment: Please fill out why you want this permission. Commetian Empire (talk°•◇•°CentralAuth) 13:45, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Could you specify for his benefit what is needed on this beyond "help with the backlogs" and " allows me to give back to this community"? Short but reasonably clear sentiments. --raidarr (💬) 13:53, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Yeah, the request rationale provided is fine. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 00:42, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- After awhile thinking about it, other than what I said originally, it's not a everyday thing to either found a Vietnamese wiki being requested, or someone from VN who is actually actives here, for me it can also be an opportunity for a diverse team of wiki reviewers, and also benefiting people from our country whiles requesting a wiki as I can easily understood their wiki's purpose. Pisces (talk) 05:16, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Could you specify for his benefit what is needed on this beyond "help with the backlogs" and " allows me to give back to this community"? Short but reasonably clear sentiments. --raidarr (💬) 13:53, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support The questions as answered have been fulfilled to my satisfaction. I believe they would require some training at first, but that's expected and I would have no problem taking on that task, and I don't expect any of my fellow wiki creators would either. Additionally, we currently have 3 wiki creators, and are in desperate need of more. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 04:18, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support, no immediate concerns, worth a shot. Any rough edges I believe can be addressed through healthy communication. Naturally feel free to defer or ask if something doesn't feel quite right but you don't have the clearest idea how to proceed. --raidarr (💬) 12:48, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support Please ask other WCs whenever you have any doubt. Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 16:22, 2 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Got it. Thanks for the kind words. Pisces (talk) 18:08, 3 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support No issues based on the answers provided thus far by Pisces. Provided serious answers and demonstrates critical thinking.
Hopefully Pisces will answer the Commetian Empire's and Raidarr's questions from February 28 --- Imamy (talk) 04:29, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]- Thanks for the questions, but I think what Raidarr say was meant to explain what my intentions is when I starting requesting the right here. Being a part here actually help me leveling up my skills and also make me more responsible every day. Pisces (talk) 04:59, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Yes, I was rather trying to ask what the aim of the question was because it had already been answered by the original request itself. --raidarr (💬) 09:24, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Thanks for the questions, but I think what Raidarr say was meant to explain what my intentions is when I starting requesting the right here. Being a part here actually help me leveling up my skills and also make me more responsible every day. Pisces (talk) 04:59, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support; My first impression is that @user:Pisces is a calm and respectful volunteer on Discord. My feeling is that Pisces won't make rash decisions. Kind regards, Rodejong 💬 Talk ✉️ Email 📝 Edits 👀 Auth → 13:35, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Thanks for your impression here. I would try to keep that in at all time of services. Pisces (talk) 13:46, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support I don't think there would be any problems. Collei (talk) (contribs) 03:02, 5 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support for all the reasons stated above. – Jph2 (talk) 13:36, 5 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Comment: --- For Reference, Redmin's example requests are in Archive 13 as of March 4 --- Imamy (talk) 02:06, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support Commetian Empire (talk°•◇•°CentralAuth) 02:16, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Weak support Per my comments above. --Blad (t • c • g) 15:24, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Question: What are the different actions a Wiki Creator make take when reviewing a request? Sounds like there are 3 actions:
- Approve, Decline, Hold - Are there other actions?
--- Imamy (talk) 23:55, 7 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- No. These three.
- But is this related to the questions/answers above?
- Kind regards, Rodejong 💬 Talk ✉️ Email 📝 Edits 👀 Auth → 00:41, 8 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Thank you. This question is not for Pisces or any candidate.
Just wanted to know a little more about the Wiki Creator.--- Imamy (talk) 01:01, 8 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]- Feel free to read up on Meta:Wiki creators' guide or User:NotAracham/Help:Wiki creator handbook if you still have any questions --Blad (t • c • g) 03:00, 8 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Thank you. This question is not for Pisces or any candidate.
- Approve, Decline, Hold - Are there other actions?
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
Rodejong (Wiki creator)[edit source]
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
- Successful. Welcome to the team! Agent Isai Talk to me! 14:15, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Rodejong (talk • contribs • page moves • block log • CA • rights log • global rights log • abuselog • farmer log • block)
Group: Wiki creator
Reason: I like to help out where I can, and this is of course a good place to help out.
Due to being off the job market, I will be able to help with bringing down/keeping down the number of requests.
My free time have been spend on helping out on Discord as a volunteer, and recently I have been active on dev.miraheze.org as well.
I am able to check several times a day for new requests, and follow up on questions that might arise, and I will of course take the responsibility serious.
When in doubt I will ask my fellow volunteers.
I am fluently in Danish, Dutch and English, and I am able to read German, Norwegian and Swedish on a level 2
Questions for candidate[edit source]
- Please "review" the example requests I have left for OrangeStar above. Thank you. Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 14:12, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Database name: ruukwarwiki
This is a very sensative topic, and it would require oversight at least in keeping discussions civil. With no moderations, it would quickly become toxic. So I would decline this. - Database name: infopediawiki
This would be against #1 of the CP. So that would be declined. - Database name: eurovisionfileswiki
I would not object to this as networking wiki's with a central repository wiki would not violate the CP. I would ask if the files that get uploaded, video or image, are originals, or from own sources, and the same would be for the lyrics, as those fall under the scope of copyright, which many are unaware of. I would also guide them in creating licences that are necessary on such a wiki. - Database name: pythonmirahezewiki
I do not foresee a problem with this, as long as it would not be copied pages from original sources. So I would ask how the documentation would be written. - Database name: futurepolwiki
I would like to know if that wiki would be a neutral database of public resources from main stream news, or based on niche sources with an agenda. Misleading data is not allowed. But if the wiki is just documentation on polls halfway in terms, and writes neutral, I would not see problems. But I would confer first with the team, whether my gut feeling is correct. - Database name: ilpsconflictwiki
Although a sensitive topic, History must be written, but this needs further questions. From which perspective is this written? Will it be a neutral historic recount of actual accounts from both sides? Will there be placed blame on one or both sides, or will it skip facts that goes against one side? History must be written, but not be misleading, nor used for propaganda. So I would ask from what pov the wiki will be written from. - Database name: jpwikiwiki
That is quite broad, and sounds like a Wikipedia. But I don't see a problem in a Japanese wiki that collects information from all over the world about anything, as long as the info is not violating our CP or violates copyright. So I would ask what limits they place regarding the info they intend to share. - Database name: fantasywiki
That would be denied immediately as it violates the CP as well as the US law. - Database name: taylorswiftwiki
Not my cup of tea, but as long as it remains positive fan stuff, I have no problem with it. It must not become a place where TS will get slated, or lied about. So my question would be, what "everything" entails.
- Database name: ruukwarwiki
- Kind regards, Rodejong 💬 Talk ✉️ Email 📝 Edits 👀 Auth → 15:35, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- 1. Agree.
- 2. Agree.
- 3. Partially agree. I would check the subdomain and make it more focused.
- 4. Partially agree. Subdomain again.
- 5. Agree.
- 6. Agree. This is also a request I would bring to the rest of the wiki creator team for a second opinion.
- 7. Disagree. The scope is too broad, and as such, would be declined.
- 8. Agree.
- 9. Agree.
- BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 16:15, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- 2 and 3. A good point made. I wasn't aware of this point, but it could lead to impersonation or sound like something is endorsed. So I'd advice theme to choose a different name that doesn't use trademarked names.
- 7. It could indeed lead to forking. Hadn't thought of that. I've made a note of this. Thanks.
- Kind regards, Rodejong 💬 Talk ✉️ Email 📝 Edits 👀 Auth → 21:40, 28 February 2024 (UTC), eReply[reply]
- It is worth noting that the CP explicitly bans wikis which are not moderated (which are referred to as 'anarchy wikis' in the policy.) so ruukwarwiki can be declined without any need for further consideration. Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 16:27, 2 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Discussion[edit source]
- Addendum: In the beginning I would ask the team whether my decision is correct in less clear cut cases, until I get more experienced in the task. Kind regards, Rodejong 💬 Talk ✉️ Email 📝 Edits 👀 Auth → 16:08, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- This is a WC's best tool. There is always time to ask other WCs for a second opinion, even after you've got some experience. – Jph2 (talk) 21:15, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
- Support Rodejong is established as a volunteer, helping with CSS and other issues for new wiki admins, especially on Discord. The answers above are reasonable and Rodejong the comment regarding using the WC community as a resource is noteworthy. From my experience, Rodejong is helpful, has the interests of the community as a whole in mind, and is interested in best fulfilling the role taken on. – Jph2 (talk) 23:37, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support Roughly the same as Pisces' request. The questions above have been answered fine, they'll need a bit of hands-on training, but that can be easily taken care of. We need more wiki creators as well, and I have no doubt Rodejong will grow into the role well. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 04:19, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support, no immediate concerns, worth a shot. Any rough edges I believe can be addressed through healthy communication. Naturally feel free to defer or ask if something doesn't feel quite right but you don't have the clearest idea how to proceed. --raidarr (💬) 12:49, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support shows good understanding of the Content Policy, and has proven very active and helpful on Discord. The mentions of consulting with other WCs when unsure/in the beginning are also reassuring. Best of luck! --╚pixDeVl╝ (T|C) 14:52, 1 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support same as others, they are great, better than me tbh Pisces (talk) 16:48, 1 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support No issues here. --Blad (t • c • g) 17:56, 1 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support Please be careful about subdomains and ask others whenever you have any doubt. Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 16:28, 2 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support I enjoyed reading the answers. I found no issues in judgement. I'm concerned with word selection. When communicating with requesters, take your time to proofread before replying. Some spellings and sentence structures exist where the grammar checker will dismiss as appropriate, however the meaning will change significantly. ---- Imamy (talk) 01:38, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support sounds good to me. I cannot see anything wrong here! Commetian Empire (talk°•◇•°CentralAuth) 01:51, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Raidarr (wiki creator)[edit source]
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- Successful. Reception123 (talk) (C) 19:20, 9 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Raidarr (talk • contribs • page moves • block log • CA • rights log • global rights log • abuselog • farmer log • block)
Group: Wiki creator
Following some thought and attempts to talk me out of the sidelines, I'm putting a tentative hat in the ring to see what the community thinks.
Although there are several requests already (a few already successful and the rest I believe a foregone conclusion), there may be merit in one more experienced hand as a buffer - ex steward specifically with additional WC experience. My impact would probably be to support the process including looks at trickier requests and to encourage communication & consistency. Naturally if nobody's handy at the time and I have a moment I could chomp out some requests as well.
My reviewing style is somewhat unusual; I tend to give short ish manual, fine-tuned responses and avoid canned responses wherever possible in favor of specific questions when needed. I try to do a quick scan if there is a very similar wiki on another domain, to see what we're looking at if it's a moving community from elsewhere, and check out the requestor if they haven't just registered to make a request. These things take time which has never made me a very fast reviewer, and even then I can very well miss something and was somewhat more liberal in '22 and '23 than the wiki creation of today. In certain cases I even like to approach the requesting community (particularly via Discord if applicable) to take a look and possibly be a point of contact so they don't just never see us again. In the past this has helped catch issues or misconceptions with how things work that Meta never hears about. WC is the first thing most new wiki requestors see after all, it is a first chance for the platform to leave an impression. These last steps I was able to follow up on more effectively as a Steward in my better days but are perfectly possible with just the means of a wiki creator and globally savvy user who can point people to what they need.
Naturally I will need to familiarize myself with what exactly has changed internally (beyond just the content policy which will soon be subject to very serious adjustments) and even standing stewards let alone ex ones can benefit from discussion and asking questions as needed. Feel free to levy whatever questions here, if not to see if I've "still got it" then to explore interesting edge cases.
Thank you for your consideration...--raidarr (💬) 22:13, 2 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Questions for candidate[edit source]
- I have a few questions. The following request have come in (illustrative, not real) - How would you answer them?:
- Database name: teamlh44; Private: No; Description: "This wiki will cover everything about Sir Lewis Hamilton and #TeamLH and why he is the best Formula 1 driver in the world. We'll also touch on the #AbuDhabi21 scandal where LH's 8th championship was stolen, and how the FIA and #RedBullRacing have robbed Sir Lewis Hamilton. Anyone is allowed to comment, but MV33fans may not."
- Database name: usmedia; Private: no; Description: "Does traditional media help or hinder public understanding of political issues in the US? This wiki will make a well documented archive based on the articles of Time Magazine. They aren't copies, but their will be quotes, and the rest will be written by me."
- Database name: jehovasvidner Private: yes Description: "This wiki will be in Danish about Jehovah's WItnesses, their beliefs and about those who oppose the organisation. As one who has been excommunicated, I'll be moderating the wiki."
- Database name: christianity; Private: no; Description: "This wiki will discuss whether Christianity is compatible with democracy, feminism and lgbtqi+. It will be a moderated wiki by me."
- Database name: maga; Private: no; Description: "I will dedicate this wiki to Donald Trumps precedency and the years after. He is a great man who was robbed."
- Database name: sportslive; Private: no; Description: "We'll write live coverage pages on the wiki, and the users can use the Chat extension to comment live on the matches. I'll be doing this alone for now, but who knows if I will add another person to join me.
- Database name: apostates; Private: no; Description: "This is a wiki from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints about apostates and the influence on the church."
- Kind regards, Rodejong 💬 Talk ✉️ Email 📝 Edits 👀 Auth → 12:48, 3 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Interesting stuff Rodejong, in general I'd be inclined to ask/get multiple eyes on these but these would be my immediate impressions and why.
- teamlh44: Declined as-is. A wiki regarding a particular celebrity could be considered (though imo there is a 'hot potato line' seen below) but I would need serious confidence in the handling including for balanced POV and a clearer idea what sort of articles would take place that justify a full-on wiki. In this case there is clear intent to slant favorably + cover controversial topics with a clear bias which give me no confidence this would be handled properly. Main provision I'd quote would be CP3 (unbalanced content).
- usmedia: Ask questions particularly for content style and moderation. High risk of falling into CP8 by promoting seriously out of whack alternative perspectives in a partisan manner to score points on 'traditional news'. Therefore I'd want a better idea of what sort of articles would be written and how the wiki would be moderated. As an evidently personal/niche project I might also seek a more specific domain than 'usmedia'.
- jehovasvidner: Bring up internally; inclined to ask questions for neutrality. Very high risk with a very strong chance of violating CP3 (risk of unbalanced content) and CP7 (possible attacks on religion). However this can be acceptable both under current and more explicitly under new policy "neutral factual coverage of its subjects, (reasoned opinionated commentary or advocacy..."). I would need to get a clear idea what sort of articles would be suitable, and if the requestor is able to avoid the pitfalls. Moderation would be another concern but secondary to seeing if the content can be handled well in the first place. Even then I'd want to make note of the wiki for future reference. Finally I'd be interested to know if it is eventually intended to be public in the future. Its privacy would lead me to lean questions in a way that gets the requestor to explicitly disavow harassment and the like in case the wiki comes up again in the future.
- christianity: Bring up internally; inclined to ask questions for neutrality and what the requestor means by exploring 'compatible'. Similar process really as jehovasvidner. I'd prefer something more specific than 'christianity' for the domain. This has a bit fewer red flags for me than ^ though being public and not admitting to a substantial source of bias straight up.
- maga: Declined. Follows the pattern of high risk requests but to me going straight to maga, trump's presidency and straight into 'he was robbed' gives me no confidence at all this wouldn't be a swift dumpster fire, whereas I'd be inclined to give above examples more of a chance. Similar concern as teamlh44 but far more likely to run into recurring issues with CP3, 7, and even 10 because this would be an even hotter potato than reception wikis and Miraheze can't really afford to deal with it. If it was more nuanced but the same overall intent I might pass it to internal discussion but lean towards a no.
- sportslive: Bring up internally leaning asking questions. There's several what-ifs I'd want to straighten out. One is how they'd even manage to do *live* coverage pages, I'd better understand it if it went over the games and reported what happened but this bit needs expansion. Use of chat to comment is fine but the big one is how people would see it. Youtube embed? A different method that disagrees with copyright and so must be stricken down? It's a very out-there and not necessarily bad concept - it seems like it would be compliant enough - but I'd want to know more.
- apostates: Ask to clarify content. This gives little idea what types of articles would be written and given 'apostate' is a term I've seen used pejoratively in religious concepts I'd need an impression and assurance that it would be a reasonable presentation before moving forward. Specific questions would include what else is included on the wiki,
- --raidarr (💬) 23:43, 3 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- To provide views of a current WC and Steward to responses given:
- teamlh44: Agreed
- usmedia: Agreed
- jehovasvidner: Agreed, colleague consult + more questions is the way to go.
- christianity: Agreed
- maga: Agreed
- Sportslive: Agreed
- Apostates: Agreed
- All in all, pretty much 1:1 with what I'dve done for each of the above. --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 01:03, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- I'm happy that you found my stuff interesting ;-) @Raidarr
- This is however just as useful for me. I'll add it to my notes as reference. To look back on when a similar case would pop-up.
- I do hope you enjoyed the questions too @NotAracham ;-)
- Kind regards, Rodejong 💬 Talk ✉️ Email 📝 Edits 👀 Auth → 01:27, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- To provide views of a current WC and Steward to responses given:
Discussion[edit source]
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
- Support No concerns. Former steward, always easy to work with and open to discussion. Globe - (Talk • Contributions • CA) 20:58, 3 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support Former Steward, trusted user. No concerns. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 22:25, 3 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support This is the user that onboarded me to wiki creation when I joined. While they've been a contentious character at times, I have no doubts in their ability to execute on current content policy. --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 23:53, 3 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support Cautious but suitable answers to the questions posed, which seems prudent. Raidarr's having been a former Steward and seeing things from that side seems beneficial to the WC side. I am not fond of previous issues, but have no personal knowledge or experience with them, so NA's response has merit. – Jph2 (talk) 00:56, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose Dude, I don't know. I would be fine with it but what's holding me from supporting is the fact that in June you had to have done something really bad for being locked and getting all your rights taken. I have had very little interaction with Owen, but I would think he is a generally good person— but to lock you all the sudden like that... it just don't sit right with me. And you gotta face the fact that you were one of the reasons why Miraheze almost collapsed. I have nothing against Harej, but he did unlock you which doesn't make sense to me because T&S stood is forever. Sure, some policies did change, but that shouldn't affect T&S locked users. I would support if that all didn't happen. I'm fine with you being on Miraheze, but not really getting any rights because of what happened. (Now if I'm getting anything wrong, please let me know and I will cross it out)Reply[reply]
With all respect and kind regards, Commetian Empire (talk°•◇•°CentralAuth) 01:11, 4 March 2024 (UTC)- Current T&S leadership reviewed the case in question and did not find sufficient cause/supposed wrong-doing to justify the original ban, resulting in its overturn. Scoping my point narrowly, Harej is an outsider to Miraheze (and its dramas) yet has a long track-record in WMF communities and their healthy moderation -- this is why the board selected Harej for the role of an impartial yet veteran head of the T&S team and why a decision to overturn should carry weight. --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 01:25, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Very well put. Globe - (Talk • Contributions • CA) 02:20, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Detailed background information is available at wt:meta:User:Raidarr/Miraheze_Commentary. --1108-Kiju/Talk 01:28, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- I thought this would come up eventually, here are my 2c on the matter. This is in succession to the reference Kiju just linked. --raidarr (💬) 01:55, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- As another note on the matter, I was also a T&S restricted user prior to the WikiTide Foundation assuming authority over Miraheze. My case was also reviewed and indeed overturned on all counts. So to say that it can't be undone or that previous T&S restrictions are never incorrect is false. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 03:30, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Miraheze was in a very bad situation at the time and not making the best of calls. As others have pointed out, Raidarr didn't do anything very bad. Also, wiki creator isn't a position that you can cause significant disruption with. At worst, he could create a bunch of useless wikis that would have to be deleted, but there is nothing he could gain by doing that.
- Mind you, the "privacy violations" included Naleksuh being unhappy that we brought up the existence of an account on Wikipedia named... drumroll... Naleksuh. That wasn't a genuine privacy violation.
- He also didn't abuse CheckUser, he made some mistakes but it was nothing major, and this wouldn't give him access to CheckUser or anything else that he could abuse. Complaining about him breaching the privacy of abigblueworld and other LTAs with CU is nonsense, it's an investigation into open proxies being abused by LTAs, every LTA knows that whatever data they use for abuse is going to be looked at by Stewards. Collei (talk) (contribs) 02:54, 5 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Current T&S leadership reviewed the case in question and did not find sufficient cause/supposed wrong-doing to justify the original ban, resulting in its overturn. Scoping my point narrowly, Harej is an outsider to Miraheze (and its dramas) yet has a long track-record in WMF communities and their healthy moderation -- this is why the board selected Harej for the role of an impartial yet veteran head of the T&S team and why a decision to overturn should carry weight. --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 01:25, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support @User:Raidarr has been in a situation that no one wants to be in. But that's from before my time, and I rarely want to base my opinions on these matters. I have had my history as well on Wikipedia, and when tensions rise high and parties become further away from each other, it is quite difficult to get back on solid ground with a clear head. To me it sounds like he has done that and everyone has the right to a second chance. The questions above were answered quite well thought through, and inciteful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rodejong (talk • contribs) 08:41, 4 March 2024
- Support I can't foresee any problems. Collei (talk) (contribs) 02:56, 5 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Just a precautions for myself, I unfortunately haven't looking to his story just yet, so I'm not knowledged enough to cast my vote here. So here comes my Abstain. Pisces (talk) 06:13, 5 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- After some thinking, between my interactions with raidarr on Discord and my understanding of the Miraheze lore, I Support. Raidarr definitely seems more then capable in his judgment (not like former steward is exactly points against him lol), and with consideration of what I know about the TS situation, I feel raidarr does has Miraheze's best interests are heart. --╚pixDeVl╝ (Talk Board ✦ Contributions ✦ CentralAuth) 12:23, 5 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Abstain After explanation and discussion, I have changed my vote. I am now abstaining because things were different from what I thought they were. I don't really mind anymore. If he gets it, cool icicles and good for him; if he doesn't then maybe next time. Commetian Empire (talk°•◇•°CentralAuth) 01:46, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support I trust Raidarr's judgement. Also, I like Raidarr's direct approach and willingness to discuss matters and concerns when they are raised. I've always felt Raidarr is very encouraging; will make a very approachable Wiki Creator. ---- Imamy (talk) 01:23, 7 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Blad (Wiki creator)[edit source]
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- Successful. You are strongly encouraged to join the Miraheze Community Roles Discord server in order to discuss requests with other wiki creators. Reception123 (talk) (C) 13:12, 11 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Blad (talk • contribs • page moves • block log • CA • rights log • global rights log • abuselog • farmer log • block)
Group: Wiki creator
Reason: Hi, all. I requested Wiki creator back in 2022, primary concern being the amount of experience that I had. Since then, I've been on Meta for about 2 years, with 2 short term breaks (1-2 months) in between. Per the recent influx of requests for Wiki creator, I too believe I can be of assistance with the amount of wiki requests. This will be my first major volunteer role on Miraheze (should this pass), so I'll try my best to respond to any major concerns. Thanks! --Blad (t • c • g) 20:51, 3 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Questions for candidate[edit source]
Some example questions to gauge your content policy knowledge:
- Sitename:Crimes of 4Chan subdomain: chancrimes Reasoning: I and my friends want to document all the worst people and what they did. Anybody can add anyone whenever they want, unlike those fascists who locked me out.
- Sitename:Elevated Baking subdomain: highbaker Reasoning: I want to help folks all over the world up their pastry game.
- Sitename:adsfbanana subdomain: hihihi Reasoning: A place for my friends and I to write stuff
- Sitename:Saga of The Sun subdomain: sots Reasoning: I'd like to request a wiki to document my homebrew tabletop RPG, a place for I and my players do document their characters, in-game lore and special house rules unique to our table.
- Sitename:Energy works! subdomain: realenergy Reasoning: this wiki is to document the practice of reiki and other forms of healing through energy manipulation as an alternative to cancer treatments
- Sitename:Polcompball Anarchy The Sequel subdomain: pcbarf Reasoning: PolCompBall admins don't let us do what we want. Me and my friends want to start a real PCBA without ideological limitations.
Thanks in advance for taking the time to provide answers. --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 00:52, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Easy out. Not only is 4chan controversial in of itself, but this violates CP clause 3, 4, 5, and 7.
- On hold for a poor description of the wiki.
- Declined for too wide of a scope. Additionally, the subdomain is non-nonsensical.
- I feel a bit conflicted on this request, while it seems fine, I don't get a sense of what the game is even about. Chances are I'd probably okay it after a quick confirmation.
- I'm not sure what Reiki is, but after some quick research, the latter part of the request ("as an alternative to cancer treatments" specifically) leads me to believe that this would violate CP clause 8, especially since Cancer Research UK states that it cannot prevent cancer.
- Decline for violations of clause 4 and 10, potentially 11 as well. Not exactly sure where this is stated but I believe -ball wikis are also not accepted at the moment.
- --Blad (t • c • g) 01:35, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Excellently done, no areas of disagreement. --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 03:49, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Below are some questions I would like for you to consider. Agent Isai Talk to me! 02:37, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Wiki name: "Polandball Wiki Users" Wiki database name: "pbwuserswiki" Visibility: Public Description: "Wiki documents all users within the Polandball Wiki community, their accomplishments, goals, controversy, and history"
- Wiki name: "My notes" Wiki database name: "948934wiki" Visibility: Private Description: "Private notes for myself"
- Wiki name: "Final Fantasy Wiki" Wiki database name: "subdomainwiki" Visibility: Public Description: "Final Fantasy is a game franchise created by Hironobu Sakaguchi and developed and owned by Square Enix. We want to make a new wiki about this on Miraheze because we see you offer great service. Thank you for reading!"
- Wiki name: "Polcompball Reloaded" Wiki database name: "polcompballreloadedwiki" Visibility: Public Description: "Polcompball Reloaded will be a spin-off of Polcompball which will allow for more self-insert OCs and less left propaganda that's inundating the wiki. We'll let users make their own ideology balls and won't restrict them as much as PCB and PCBA do."
- Wiki name: "Grand Grimoire Wiki" Wiki database name: "grandgrimoirewiki" Visibility: Public Description: "OC group. We saw your service and we would love to have a wiki on it. You offer a lot more flexibility than other wiki hosts so we chose you over other hosts like Fandom from where we come from. We like that your host lets us choose who can edit, our old wiki has lots of spam and that doesn't let us edit in peace. Hope you approve ~"
- Wiki name: "Minecraft Mods" Wiki database name: "mcmodswiki" Visibility: Public Description: "Documenting Minecraft mods, both client and server plugins, in an encyclopedic manner"
- Wiki name: "Научная вики" Wiki database name: "sciencewiki" Visibility: Public Description: "Научная вики будет посвящена только научным темам, полученным из официальных источников в академических кругах."
- Wiki name: "Everyone Wiki" Wiki database name: "everyonewiki" Visibility: Public Description: "Wikipedia but without the notability requirements"
- Wiki name: "Jessica's Great Eurovision Song Contest" Wiki database name: "jgescwiki" Visibility: Public Description: "I want to keep track of my own Eurovision-like song contest. This wiki will be used just by me and a few other people."
- Wiki name: "Wiki Parmi Nous" Wiki database name: "amonguswiki" Visibility: Public Description: "Bonne journée. Nous souhaitons que vous fassiez preuve de gentillesse et créiez pour nous un wiki qui documenterait le jeu de déduction sociale multijoueur en ligne populaire, qui a une très grande base d'utilisateurs multijoueurs dans diverses parties du monde, notamment en France."
- Wiki name: "Super Smash Bros Wiki" Wiki database name: "smashbroswiki" Visibility: Public Description: "Super Smash Bros is a game made by Nintendo. I want to document every aspect of it, from its pre-release history to its newest DLC fighters."
- Wiki name: "4chan /b/ general" Wiki database name: "4chanbgenwiki" Visibility: Public Description: "/b/ is a random place and we thought it would be funny if we made a wiki documenting everything they've ever done, classic regulars, and others."
- Speedy decline, -ball wikis are not accepted at the moment, and additionally, could easily turn into a CP#3/7 violation.
- I believe this would be a decline, as is. The scope is not explained, and the subdomain is nonsensical. I've seen several volunteers have personal wikis like this so please correct me if need be.
- On hold for a poor subdomain.
- Ooooh, boy. In addition to -ball wikis not being accepted, this falls in line with CP#4 (note the line "and won't restrict them") and CP#11. This also seems to be a CP#5 violation waiting to happen.
- On hold, the request is purely filler with no explanation of the scope.
- On hold, to confirm that the wiki's primary purpose is to be documentary and not a file hosting service.
- I believe this is on hold. The wiki's subdomain doesn't denote the language.
- Declined. Scope is too wide and has the potential to be a Wikimedia fork.
- Self admittedly I do not have a great understanding of Eurovision wikis, but after cross referencing other similar Eurovision wiki requests, I believe this would be mostly acceptable, correct me if need be.
- On hold for similar reasons as #7.
- Approve. Adequate description and scope.
- Declined. 4chan is a highly controversial platform with a potential to become a toxic wiki, and additionally, /b/ itself has no scope.
- --Blad (t • c • g) 03:23, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Discussion[edit source]
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
- Support I've seen Blad active for quite a while on Miraheze, and the experience has shown. Good guides have been written, input on RfCs, and the like. I think with training, they could be an excellent wiki creator. Happy to support. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 22:50, 3 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support Blad is a great guy and would be good as a Wiki Creator. He tries to involve himself in a lot Miraheze community stuff. Support! Commetian Empire (talk°•◇•°CentralAuth) 00:52, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Great answers to questions and seems to be friendly to work with. Would be a pleasure to have them as a WC. Globe - (Talk • Contributions • CA) 02:41, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Do you mean a Support, @Globe? Pisces (talk) 09:24, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Seems so. It's not very common but editors have the liberty to not use the templates too as they're more a convenience than a rule. --raidarr (💬) 10:17, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- It's actually interesting to know about this. Pisces (talk) 10:33, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Yep, I'm supporting. I just didn't use a template. Globe - (Talk • Contributions • CA) 11:10, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- It's actually interesting to know about this. Pisces (talk) 10:33, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Seems so. It's not very common but editors have the liberty to not use the templates too as they're more a convenience than a rule. --raidarr (💬) 10:17, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Do you mean a Support, @Globe? Pisces (talk) 09:24, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support Blad was one of the first folks I interacted w/ in the Miraheze community, I'd be glad to see them join the WC team. Qs as answered give confidence in this view. --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 05:06, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support Interesting answers. Pisces (talk) 08:14, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support with the same notes and advice that applies to previous requests. Blad has been around for a long time and I've seen him since before he was on Meta. Progression has been steady and seeing him take a deeper role will be interesting. Good luck. --raidarr (💬) 10:29, 4 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support Blad seems like a good candidate for this role. We are definitely in need of more wiki creators and I have no objections to this user, they seem very helpful. Collei (talk) (contribs) 02:48, 5 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support per above. – Jph2 (talk) 14:11, 5 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Comment: Blad Thank you for the links above in Pisces section regarding the Wiki Creation Process. --- Imamy (talk)
#Discussion_2 --- Imamy (talk) 22:17, 9 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply] - Question: To help my understanding of answers provided by Candidates for Wiki Creator positions;
Do Holds include discussion or communication with the requestors, or do Holds put requests on hold for further review?
--- Imamy (talk) 22:31, 9 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply] - Support
On the one hand, I like that Blad is compliance driven and refers to specific rules and regulations. On the other hand, I wish there was less reliance on online documentation. For this Meta Request, I could not understand Blad's answers. I couldn't develop a feel for or an impression of Blad's interpretation of rules and regulations. Since there are other factors for consideration, my support is based on the following: Blad is respected, vigilant, and is for the most part an effective communicator. I have no objections.
Blad's thought process was hidden because I was never sure whether I was referencing the correct documentation or reviewing the correct points. I could not find the corresponding numbers in the Content Policy, whereas, the Terms of Use was well enumerated. Hence, my uncertainty.
As such, Blad has my support, however, I would caution Blad against relying on online documentation to guide the Wiki Requestor throughout the vetting process. Links will be helpful, however, online documentation lacks precision, context, and familiarity. Highlighting the specifics and addressing questions conversationally will be less taxing to the Wiki Requestor.
--- Imamy (talk) 04:22, 10 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]- Sorry for the confusionn, my answers were written before the recent CP passed, specifically this Diff. I appreciate your feedack! --Blad (t • c • g) 13:33, 10 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Hi Blad,
- I appreciate getting the link to the specific version of the Content Policy.
- The Meta Request was placed on March 03, this year 2024. However, the Content Policy referred to was dated March 29, 2023, 11 months ago. Changes to our current CP were initiated on March 07, 2024, just a few days ago.
- • March 29, 2023 Diff for Content Policy - Previous Retired Version
- • March 03, 2024 Diff for Blad's Request
- • March 07, 2024 Diff for Content Policy - New Version in Progress
- This type of online documentation scenario is avoidable, which is why I dismissed inclusion of the missing documentation in my vote. I could have requested, however the documentation is no longer relevant.
- Providing any self sufficient context within the immediate answer to a poor Wiki Request will save the Wiki Requestor time, energy, and will encourage compliance with protocol.
- --- Imamy (talk) 17:58, 10 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Sorry for the confusionn, my answers were written before the recent CP passed, specifically this Diff. I appreciate your feedack! --Blad (t • c • g) 13:33, 10 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Jph2 (Wiki creator)[edit source]
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- Successful. You are strongly encouraged to join the Miraheze Community Roles Discord server in order to discuss requests with other wiki creators. Reception123 (talk) (C) 15:55, 17 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Jph2 (talk • contribs • page moves • block log • CA • rights log • global rights log • abuselog • farmer log • block)
Group: Wiki creator
Reason: I realize it is unusual for a person to resign a role and then request it back in such short order. But I had no idea my resignation as a wiki creator would result in such a significant backlog in wiki requests. I want to fix the current backlog and prevent it from recurring.
So, what's changed? Probably not much. For many wiki requests that meet Content Policy, I can probably assess them fairly easily. For others, I can be more focused on asking for opinions of other wiki creators.
But, what if they're questionable? I can be more proactive in referring them to other wiki creators for a second opinion.
What about you had doubts about being an effective wiki creator? I can refer questionable wiki requests for review and comment by other wiki creators.
I had no desire to see such an increase in pending wiki requests when I resigned and I want to fix that.
Questions for candidate[edit source]
7 random questions ;)
- Database name: navalny; Private: No; Description: "Everything about Navalny and opposition in Russia. We'll have a moderator and content policy, but opinion articles are allowed. We only intend to remove vandalism and toxic discussions."
- Database name: teamlh44; Private: No; Description: "This wiki will cover everything about Sir Lewis Hamilton and #TeamLH and why he is the best Formula 1 driver in the world. We'll also touch on the #AbuDhabi21 scandal where LH's 8th championship was stolen, and how the FIA and #RedBullRacing have robbed Sir Lewis Hamilton. Anyone is allowed to comment, but MV33fans may Not."
- Database name: sportslive; Private: No; Description: "We'll write live coverage pages on the wiki, and the users can use the Chat extension to comment live on the matches. I'll be doing this alone for Now, but who kNows if I will add aNother person to join me.
- Database name: mentalhealthhub; Private: yes; Description: "A safe and supportive space for individuals to share personal experiences, coping mechanisms, and professional insights related to mental health and well-being. This private wiki offers a confidential platform for discussions on topics like anxiety, depression, self-care, and therapy resources."
- Database name: culinarydelights; Private: No; Description: "I am inviting all foodies and culinary enthusiasts! Culinary Delights is your go-to wiki for exploring diverse cuisines, recipes, cooking techniques, and culinary traditions from around the world. Share your favorite dishes, cooking tips, and food-related anecdotes with a global community of fellow gastroNomes."
- Database name: techgadgetsguide; Private:No; Description: "Stay up-to-date with the latest tech inNovations and gadget reviews on the Tech Gadgets Guide wiki. Whether you're a tech enthusiast, early adopter, or casual consumer, this collaborative platform offers in-depth articles, comparisons, and user testimonials on smartphones, laptops, wearables, and more."
- Database name: schoolstuds; Private: No; Description: "Wiki for a personal project with me and my friends"
- It's only fair to give you questions too, but I'll be supporting you any way. Happy to see you apply again. Kind regards, Rodejong 💬 Talk ✉️ Email 📝 Edits 👀 Auth → 10:53, 5 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Those are some intriguing questions.
- On hold. It appears they don't intend to ensure a neutral point of view which may be contrary to CP 3. I'm also concerned this wiki could be an issue per CP 10. I would ask other wiki creators their opinion before responding.
- Decline. Reception-type wiki.
- Decline. It seems overbroad. I would ask for more details and what rules they intend to have.
- On hold. I would ask what rules they intend to have. I would advise that, although private, posts on the wiki won't be "confidential" since editors will be tagged either by user name or IP.
- Approve.
- Decline. Reception-type wiki.
- Decline. Needs more details.
- – Jph2 (talk) 13:33, 5 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Some great responds there from you. Tbh I would have to ask many more times to get the results that you said. Pisces (talk) 14:41, 5 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Those are some intriguing questions.
Discussion[edit source]
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
- I have heard about your contributions recently and knows that your resigns would leads to more opportunities for volunteers to comes as per those requests above you. But now since you decided to request it again, as an candidate for the same role, it's hard for me to decide it's best or not to give you a support. So here's come my Abstain. Pisces (talk) 06:08, 5 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support As I know the background for this, and after a good honest talk, I am convinced that it will be good to have you back. Your zeal for this work was what inspired me to request this permission in the first place. Kind regards, Rodejong 💬 Talk ✉️ Email 📝 Edits 👀 Auth → 10:57, 5 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support No Brainer. Really good wiki creator and was recently one. Commetian Empire (talk°•◇•°CentralAuth) 01:49, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- I'm most worried about your conflict resolution process. I'm unsure if our conversation influenced your resignation but since it was done so closely after that interaction, I'm worried that it did and that, with a hot head, you took a decision. Perhaps you should take a break for a while to cool off, especially if wiki creatorship has increased your stress levels. I understand the position has historically been undermanned and a source of contention but I would ask that perhaps you take some time off first before regaining the position. Agent Isai Talk to me! 02:26, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Weak oppose I have no doubt that you can be a good Wiki Creator - while you encountered issues at times handling nuanced cases, you joined when there wasn't much in the way of onboarding or documentation and were demonstrably improving in recent months. However, it's not yet been a week since your resignation and several Wiki Creator candidates are on the verge of onboarding to handle backlog. As the events leading up to separation are still fresh, I would suggest enjoying this break and revisiting at least a month from your original resignation. --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 05:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support with consideration for NA's & agent's insight but then, I've always somewhat defied the conventions on RfPs myself and been guilty of hasty resignations. A bit of a trend around here in fact, we really should work on that as a collective but I digress. If you think it's for the best go for it, I do encourage you to start off taking it easy and supporting the newbloods rather than chunking out big portions of the queue yourself. That should hopefully become less necessary although I suspect there will become a clear arrangement where certain WCs handle bulk and others are more background or support anyway. I further encourage you to consider if the call to take a longer break has merit and to rescind if so with no shame, but if you believe it's best to continue I still offer support. --raidarr (💬) 12:45, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- You've defied conventions, I suppose, but never reapplied for rights within a day of resigning. Agent Isai Talk to me! 14:24, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- There's a difference between defying unimportant rules or conventions when it's against the spirit of the rules (most of us here do that) and the situation here, such as the requester's conflict resolution issues, rerequesting rights so soon, and the others being available to handle the backlog already. Collei (talk) (contribs) 03:26, 8 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- I agree there isn't precedence for this instance and that the circumstance isn't ideal. But it must be taken case by case. Regarding the situation here I believe the conflict that existed has at least been reduced and the reason of request adequately backs up the unusual timing. The availability of other wiki creators is not the strongest point to me because of the turnover & flux of the position. Much could change in a short time with scheduling tweaks. But that is a personal assessment and not everyone will be convinced, and I can see why. For me the concern lies mainly with the haste of resignation. It's something I've been guilty of certainly and I don't really include the original declaration to resign around the WikiTide merge because that was a very turbulent moment in Miraheze history. Hopefully it will be the last of this nature; naturally if jph does make it a habit then I and likely most others won't be quite as sympathetic. In the end I think one more voice even in this way would be more beneficial than enforcing a longer separation. --raidarr (💬) 22:42, 10 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Weak support I have no doubt that Jph2 will be an effective wiki creator if re-elected, though I share Agent and NotAracham's concerns. Tali64³ (talk | contributions) 13:20, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Comment: I appreciate this feedback. In retrospect, I should have taken a step back rather than resigning. I think I felt a pressure to "clear the queue" and was reluctant to take a break. I think this developed from the small WC bench when I started and the massive influx of requests after the "escape Fandom" video made the rounds. I took this feeling on myself and I see that now. To raidarr's point, if y'all will have me back, I intend to meter my request handling rather than take on too much. It appears we'll have another 4 WCs shortly. I'd be happy to focus on supporting them and the rest of the team. Jph2 (talk) 14:31, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Thank you for this measured reflection and response. --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 15:31, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support User made a rash decision to resign when they were stressed and overwhelmed. They took a step back, realized that everything isn't on them, and decided to re-apply. I'd call that healthy and am happy to support. Globe - (Talk • Contributions • CA) 15:29, 6 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support I was not aware of Jph2's resignation. Even if I were aware, I feel that Jph2 made the best decision at the time based on the information at hand. However, with time to reflect, Jph2 gained a perspective that wasn't available before resignation which seems to have brought about a change of heart. Based on the points made by Jph2, I feel that Jph2 has found a way to address the very concerns that prompted the resignation. I would feel better to let Jph2 explore those possible solutions while they are fresh in the mind. ---- Imamy (talk) 02:24, 7 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Somewhere between support and Weak support, per NA and Agent's concerns. --╚pixDeVl╝ (Talk Board ✦ Contributions ✦ CentralAuth) 03:33, 7 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Weak oppose Per Agent Isai and NotAracham Collei (talk) (contribs) 01:26, 8 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- How can you post positions for other users? – Jph2 (talk) 02:25, 8 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Also, NotArachem has already posted their position. – Jph2 (talk) 02:27, 8 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Oh, wait. I'm sorry. You're opposing in concert with Agent and NotArachem comments. Got it. Sorry. – Jph2 (talk) 02:28, 8 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support After strong consideration, happy to support this. Jph2 is a known commodity and a valuable one, and even though the resignation occurred, I have no doubt Jph will again be a valuable asset. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 22:40, 9 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Support because some decline. --Gongxiang01 (talk) 06:03, 17 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Supporting "because others decline" isn't really a valid or a proper reason. Reception123 (talk) (C) 08:45, 17 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Because I like it! Gongxiang01 (talk) 13:13, 17 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Supporting "because others decline" isn't really a valid or a proper reason. Reception123 (talk) (C) 08:45, 17 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Gongxiang01 (Wiki creator)[edit source]
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- Closing as the user has barely had an account for a week and clearly doesn't have nearly enough experience to run as wiki creator. Reception123 (talk) (C) 15:53, 17 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Gongxiang01 (talk • contribs • page moves • block log • CA • rights log • global rights log • abuselog • farmer log • block)
Group: Wiki creator
Reason: I is the only first language(as "mother language") is Chinese. I'll answer for other's request. Because there is a few in the list can speak Chinese, so I request.
Questions for candidate[edit source]
- could you please answer some of these example requests?
- Sitename:Artpedia subdomain: artpedia.miraheze Private:0 Reasoning: this wiki is to document the history of art and how it had changed throughout the years. The wiki will only cover physical art like painting and not music, AI art, digital art, etc. It will not be used to share files.
- Sitename:Everything guns subdomain: everythingguns.miraheze Private:0 Reasoning: I would like to make a wiki with one of my friends about everything about guns. This will include all guns, cannons, and tanks. It will also include the history of guns and all gun laws.
- Sitename: shoot 'em up wiki subdomain: shootingwiki.miraheze Private:0 Reasoning: this wiki is about a book series of two hunters going out into another country to hunt the biggest buck. The series is called Shoot 'em Up, and it was written a long time ago.[*]
- Sitename: A Survivor's Tale wiki Subdomain: survivorstale.miraheze Private:0 Reasoning: I recently found a book called Maus: A Survivor's Tale, and have gotten very interested in it. It is about Vladek Spiegelman- a Polish Jew trying to survive Hitler's Europe and make it to America. His son, Art (the author of the book) has a very hard time trying to imagine the horrors that his father went through.
- Sitename: New York City Wiki Subdomain: nyc.miraheze Private: 0 Reasoning: this wiki will show its viewers everything that is in NYC. It will tell them about where you can eat, play, etc. (But it will not allow sponsors) It will warn them about places they should not go. There will also be no rules, no staff, since we are created equal! This wiki will help many people!
* This book series doesn't actually exist, this is just for the request
Commetian Empire (talk°•◇•°CentralAuth) 15:11, 17 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Discussion[edit source]
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
- Oppose, I mean this only to help you however there are deep problems here. For one I do not believe your grasp on English would be adequate to work well with other wiki creators or for the majority of the queue. Understanding goes both ways, you must have mastery of the material primarily written in and for English as well as what it means, *and* the other language. For two my observation is that you have difficulty understanding the operation of Meta and have yet to integrate properly, this is needed in order to thrive in any role let alone a somewhat sensitive role like Wiki Creator. You are prone to edits ranging from not needed to requiring additional attention to correct and this is something that needs to be worked on, we certainly cannot afford that in the wiki creation process. Finally I do not believe you have the judgement required, illustrated if nowhere else than in the vote in the section immediately above. This could change with good answers to CE's questions but I am skeptical. I strongly suggest you take a step back and better measure your approach to Miraheze; slower, more thoughtful contributions while working on your ability to get more involved and gain trust among members. Tangentially related but I believe your approach to wiki requests disqualifies you from a reviewing role in them. --raidarr (💬) 15:35, 17 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Strongest oppose There are three criteria for being eligible to run for wiki creator. Firstly, 200 edits, which is here surpassed. Secondly, 3 months activity, which is also surpassed. Thirdly, being active on Meta and helping out with community matters. From what I can tell, this user appeared on Meta a week ago and started filing wiki requests that were almost immediate declines, thereby showing no understanding of the Content Policy. That by itself should be enough to oppose, but there's more. The user then took it to the Meta portals, offering assistance and guidance where it is either incorrect or unhelpful. I see strong signs of WP:CIR here. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 15:39, 17 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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