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Template:Location map~ doesn't work on my wiki

Hello everyone. On my wiki,, the template "Location map~" doesn't seem to work. I copied it from a fandom wiki and there it works perfectly, but on my wiki, it displays "<.div style="position: absolute; z-index: 2; top: Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character "[".%; left: Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character "[".%; height: 0; width: 0; margin: 0; padding: 0;">" and shows the red dot with the city name next to it. I tried to look for those brackets that it doesn't recognize but found nothing. Thank you in advance, hope you can help me! <3 Btw sorry yesterday I mistakenly wrote this on the archive. :P — Preceding unsigned comment added by WhiteWolf69 (talkcontribs) 05:47, 8 June 2020‎

I'm not familiar with Fandom/Wikia (I preferred the Wikia name, personally), but it's quite likely they use a modified markup to render their pages. Have you tried removing the preceding period for the "div" tag that precedes the "style" attribute? That's the only think stands out to me from your quoted text. I haven't yet looked at your wiki, though. As for accidentally posted to the archive, thanks for letting us know. @RhinosF1: has already removed it. In future if you make an error like that, you can go back as soon as realize and hit "undo" on your edit(s). If you're the most recent editor, you can still undo both edits without rollback rights. Dmehus (talk) 14:58, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Also, please remember to sign your posts with ~~~~ as a bot automatically archives threads according to the date of last activity. Without a timestamp, it's not necessarily able to do its job (although in this case, it would've, since I replied). Still, signing identifies who is posting. I've added your signature for you with {{unsigned}}. Dmehus (talk) 15:01, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

No longer able to add people to groups

Hi! I'm an admin at and after my last visit to the permissions settings, I don't know how, but the admin and bureaucrat groups are no longer able to add people to any other groups. The Group Assignments tab seemed like the logical place to fix this, but nothing worked. Would you have any idea what I'm doing wrong? Hb1290 (talk) 10:07, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

@Hb1290: I guess it's because of a server-side issue. Try deleting your cookies on all miraheze domains. --Jack980517 (talk) 20:14, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
Fixed! IDK why, but when I tried fixing it the first time, the Group Assignments table had totally different groups in it for some reason. When I went back in today, the normal groups were showing. That outage the other day was just after the problem happened, so maybe that had something to do with it. Hb1290 (talk) 02:30, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Need help on category suppression

w:Wikipedia:Category Suppression says: "you need to surround the categorization code with <includeonly></includeonly>, otherwise your template itself will be categorized."

However, I tried this on mh:silentblue:Template:maimai Difficulty, and the template itself is still added into the categories, and I don't want that. The categories are only meant to have the pages that the templates are transcluded on.

How can I achieve what I want? Thanks.

Jack980517 (talk) 18:23, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I see it. My initial guess is that something in this rat's nest is mismatched (curly braces or tags). If the </includeonly> is not in order when encountered, then the </includeonly> would be ignored as well. Spıke (talk) 03:26 11-Jun-2020
Oh, for Pete's sake! Your Usage (with </noinclude>) contains a use of itself as an example! So the template is one of "the pages that the templates are transcluded on"! Mystery solved 03:31 11-Jun-2020 I recommend that you write code that inhibits output of the categories if the target is in the Template: namespace. Spıke (talk) 03:34 11-Jun-2020
Thank you very much. I somehow overlooked that the noinclude portion contains a transclusion lol... --Jack980517 (talk) 06:30, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, @Spike:. I was going to suggest that, but wasn't quite sure if it was that simple. Glad you got it resolved, @Jack980517:. Dmehus (talk) 03:36, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Code of Conduct Commission reform RfC

As was the case with the CVT reform earlier, it is time to reform the CoCC which in its current form presents many flaws and challenges. Here is my current draft, feel free to make suggestions and edits before it's published as an RfC! Reception123 (talk) (C) 13:13, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

I have a question about the results of the Zppix poll held in Requests for global rights

Granted, it doesn't meet the appointment requirements stipulated in the Global Sysop policy, but it seems to meet the requirements of Proposal 4.1.I would like to hear your opinion on which standard should be adopted.If you write it in the wrong place, we would appreciate it if you could move it to the right place.Thanks.-- (talk) 01:00, 12 June 2020 (UTC)fix.-- (talk) 01:02, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

The reasoning behind my approach is;
  • 4.1 states “During this 5 day period they will remain in the group.”
  • There was no time limit enacted on requesting confirmation.
  • A CVT member who never requests a confirmation, retains rights the community have voted to abolish.
  • Therefore, in closing the RfC I said; “Anyone who fails to create one by this deadline will be deemed 'resigned'.” As a CVT member who does not opt to move from an abolished group to an established group, is effectively not requesting access to the new group. As such, abolishment of a group effectively ceases to have the previous group membership.
  • A 7-day period was given from close of RfC for a user to trigger a confirmation before the CVT group was going to be technically abolished.
  • Both CVT and Global Sysop policies have the revocation clause of “rights revoked for any reason, they must make a successful request that satisfies the criteria above in order to regain the rights.”
  • As such, a user who has their rights removed for not initiating a confirmation request in the 7 day period, of which was not objected to by anyone - including the user who acknowledged they needed to start the request within 7 days of the RfC - has had their rights removed. To which policy mandates they go through a full request to regain the rights.
  • Had circumstances which prevented the request from being filed reasonably within 7 days had been notified to a Steward, discretion may have been applied, or alternatively another user could have asked for confirmation of the rights without any issue.
The above is full reasoning behind my handling of this situation as backed up by written policy and common sense applied otherwise. John (talk) 01:21, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
I see.I still thought Zppix was at CVT, but it seemed to be my misunderstanding.Thank you for teaching me.-- (talk) 04:17, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

internal error

An internal error has occurred. Can it be repaired?--雪津風明石 (talk) 04:24, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

In Warships Wiki.--雪津風明石 (talk) 04:25, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
(Add)If it cannot be repaired, is it possible to delete it and have it recreated?--雪津風明石 (talk) 05:23, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
I'll {{ping}} @Void, John, and Southparkfan: here, in case they hadn't seen this discussion. Dmehus (talk) 03:32, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
Void wouldn't be much help here, I've poked a sysadmin to look. Next time, please report on phab: ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c - (on) 13:41, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
Hello, this has been fixed. Paladox (talk) 13:49, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
@RhinosF1: Thanks—I wasn't certain if it was a wiki owner-caused issue or something to do with the server configuration, but in any case, yeah, that's something that should get a quicker response on Phab. Will do. @Paladox:, thanks for the follow-up and/or fixing. Dmehus (talk) 14:56, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

No match was found

I have a problem with the search on my wiki. When user try to find something in the full version of the wiki in the quick tips box it writes that no match was found. When user press enter button, mediawiki redirects to an existing article or search page with results. Sometimes quick results work. Maybe something on wiki broke search? Problems with the fast preview too

--Kwack (talk) 13:37, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

"Loss of session data" happened again

As before, clearing all miraheze cookies fixed it. Just posting here to notify people about it. --Jack980517 (talk) 11:52, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Need help on Navboxes

mh:silentblue:Template:Kotonoha Project

Why do the lists show as normal lists instead of horizontal ones like on Wikipedia? --Jack980517 (talk) 13:02, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

@Jack980517: Because they're formatted using asterisks that precede each item. I believe on English Wikipedia, it's customary to use a special character that resembles a small dot, aligned vertically in the middle of the text that precedes and follows it, to separate the list items. Have a look at w:Template:Canadian banks for the character I mean. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 13:12, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
@Dmehus: If you look at the source code of the template that you linked to, you'll see that it uses the asterisk as well. All example code on w:Template:Navbox/doc uses the asterisk, and that was what I followed. There's some kind of transformation going on on Wikipedia that converts normal lists to the horizontal ones which is absent on my wiki. FWIW, the guide on copying Navbox to other wikis at w:Template Talk:Navbox isn't quite clear; it doesn't even specify which parts of Common.css to copy, for example, although I worked that out on my own. I did copy all 5 lua modules mentioned there. --Jack980517 (talk) 13:17, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
@Jack980517: Fair point. It seems like there's a dependent template, {{Hclass}}, that is also needed as it creates the horizontally styled lists. I would recommend exporting w:Template:Hclass, preferably all revisions so you are backward compatible on the CC licensing, and then use Special:Import to import it to your wiki. Let me know if that helps. Dmehus (talk) 13:32, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
@Dmehus: Thanks for looking into it. w:Template:Hclass doesn't exist though. --Jack980517 (talk) 13:40, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
@Jack980517: It does. That's a typo in my wikilink above. It is {{Hlist}}. You can grab it at w:Template:Hlist. Hope that helps? ;-) Dmehus (talk) 13:47, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
@Dmehus: I imported w:Template:Hlist and w:Module:List, and it didn't help. Jack980517 (talk) 14:15, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
Update: that was a capitalization problem because I turned off $wgCapitalLinks. But now Module:List complains that Module:TableTools is not found. The dependency tree just gets deeper and deeper... I guess I'll just not use this conversion at all. Jack980517 (talk) 14:21, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Go to the wiki page that has the template you want to import and click the edit button on that page. You probably won't be able to edit it, but you should see the modules and templates the template is using.-- (talk) 16:35, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

My private wiki is throwing an error saying "Fatal exception of type MWException" on every page, and is unusable

Is my wiki broken?

So i made an wiki called Ideapedia. Source editor works, but VisualEditor doesn't. Also, the icon (not the favicon) doesn't appear. Please help! -AwesomePie16 08:38, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

When doing the logo/favicon, open up the target file in a new tab, the url should look something like So, for example, your favicon would be instead of For VisualEditor, do be sure to go through all the namespaces in Special:ManageWiki/namespaces, and enable visual editor for that namespace. -- Void Whispers 22:15, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Popups not working

Hello! I'm unsure if this is an error or something on my end, so I apologize if this is in the wrong place.

On the My Little Pony wiki, the popups function stopped working a few months back when the login server changed. I made a post about it on Phabricator, but it was closed within a day, saying that they should be working fine since some of the extensions got merged. I decided not to make a post about it since I assumed it was something on my end, but nothing I try seems to suggest that. I have both PopUps and TextExtracts enabled, and have checked Show Popups By Default in Special:ManageWiki/settings, but nothing works. I tried logging in and out but still nothng. Same error happens on Hilda wiki.

Any idea how to fix this? Or is it an error? --Amelia (talk) 17:33, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

I Can't Create Garbage Video Game Items Wiki For Some Reason

I am trying to create Garbage Video Game Items Wiki, where I will discuss the worst video game items. However, it won't let me do so because it keeps saying, "Your wiki request contains an invalid character." I typed everything correctly and double-checked for invalid characters, and it turns out there aren't any invalid characters. Can you please figure out the problem? HammerBro101 (talk) 01:43, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

The description may have contained the improper characters specified in the blacklist. Please request again without these characters, or tell us the wiki you want to create and the reasons here. --そらたこ (talk) 06:09, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Where do I register my thanks to you? From Idea to live in 7 hours!

The subject says it all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brianwade75 (talkcontribs)

Your welcome :) ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c - (on) 22:29, 16 June 2020 (UTC)


I am more than confused regarding my identity when interacting with Miraheze or it's representatives and/or community.

Of course, I am a newbie here – my wiki went online only 2 days back. So, much experience to be gathered. This is not a criticism of the resources and free hosting that Miraheze has supplied. It is more in the way of asking a question.

It seems that Miraheze provides a plethora of means by which I can contact a human but they are not all immediately transparent as to how each should be/are used.

I will list them here, for the avoidance of doubt;

Contact us

   • IRC: #miraheze (recommended) 
   • Discord: 
   • Facebook: Miraheze 
   • Twitter: @miraheze 
   • On-wiki: Help center

For reasons specific to me, none of these are viable means of casual chat like, for example, "How do I get yellow text on a black background?". Sure, the answer is "Look at Mediawiki – they have loads of help". And they do, and that question would be answered. No problem.

It is not the answer that is my problem, it is the medium by which I am forced to ask any question. That is my problem. Maybe it is only MY problem.

We can discard Facebook and Twitter since I refuse to give those entities any semblance of control in my life. I have discarded IRC because I really do not want to learn another new thing (I'm already learning wikimedia and wikidata) and the On-wiki Help centre is not a chat channel.

That leaves Discord. I am very familiar with that and use it for two completely separate slices of my online life. So I went there. It turns out that it needs an email address. Does it? Does it really?

Yes. It does. Not only that – it needs a password to associate that email address to. Which password? A new one? Or one that I use with Discord? Which of my two identities on Discord does it want? Or does it want a third one? Or one that I will only use with Miraheze? Or one that I use with my Bank? No help nor hint is supplied.

Perhaps someone here can do better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brianwade75 (talkcontribs) 23:24, 16 June 2020‎ (UTC)

I was pretty sure that the discord server simply required having an email registered to your discord account. So long as you have verified that email address, you should be able to participate. If you're still having issues, I'm sure we can try and figure something out. -- Void Whispers 00:19, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
You can ask questions on this page (as you just asked your meta-question about asking questions). I've provided formatting help and debugging here, or others might beat me to it. Spıke (talk) 22:31 19-Jun-2020

Can I change the domain of the URL?

Can I change the domain of the URL? I want to change the domain before "". What should I do?--雪津風明石 (talk) 06:38, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

This is possible by changing the connection to the DB. If you can, could you create a task on Phabricator. --そらたこ (talk) 07:03, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

I could not login at Phabricator with my account

I wanted to ask for Import of this Template:


But I was not able to login with my accout (I tried a few times)

thx for help. --Heinz (talk) 02:34, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

@Heinz: Hi. What error message are you getting when you try to login? Reception123 (talk) (C) 06:29, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
@Reception123:: I got:Username or Password are incorrect.
It´s the Ping-Template I wanted to install on my Wiki. It does not work, sad. --Heinz (talk) 10:24, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
I see you have managed to make a request, I've answered on Phabricator :) Reception123 (talk) (C) 11:13, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

AutoWikiBrowser is broken!

(I couldn't report this to Phabricator as the login feature on Meta does not work for me)

When logging into my account to any Miraheze wiki (e.g. scratchwiki) through AutoWikiBrowser, it doesn't work! AutoWikiBrowser does work on wikis not owned by Miraheze, so it's a Miraheze issue.

Here is the error message when logging in:

API returned the following error: 'The "login" module requires a POST request.'
ApiErrorException in ApiEdit.CheckForErrors
 <tr><th>Message:</th><td>`API returned the following error: 'The "login" module requires a POST request.'`</td></tr>
 <tr><th>Call stack:</th><td><pre>   at WikiFunctions.API.ApiEdit.CheckForErrors(String xml, String action)
    at WikiFunctions.API.ApiEdit.Login(String username, String password, String domain)
    at WikiFunctions.Profiles.AWBProfilesForm.PerformLogin(String username, String password)</pre></td></tr>
 **OS**: Microsoft Windows NT 6.2.9200.0
 **version**: AutoWikiBrowser (, WikiFunctions (, revision 12353 (2019-09-17 21:16:42)
 **net**: 4.0.30319.42000

Dibbydib (talk) 06:22, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

I fixed it! You need to set the site to HTTPS instead of HTTP in preferences. Dibbydib (talk) 08:06, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Can't log in

For some reason I can't log in to the Military Wiki. The cause is probably that you changed the URL. I can log in to wikis other than this, but it is not retained even if I check "Keep my login status", and I am logged out when I press F5 to update. What should i do? --雪津風明石 (talk) 06:03, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

This phenomenon (cannot log in to MilitaryWiki) is occurring in other users. This makes all administrators unable to log in.--雪津風明石 (talk) 06:15, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
The problem of being logged out without permission has been resolved.--雪津風明石 (talk) 06:17, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
When I try to log in, the following message is displayed.
There are currently no login attempts made for your session.
Original text in Japanese) あなたのセッションに関して現在ログインの試行は行われていません。
This message is displayed in red.--雪津風明石 (talk) 06:20, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Try reporting to Phabricator.--松•Matsu (talk) 15:38, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Doesn't remember "dark mode"

The Timeless wiki appearance is quite appealing and similar to wordpress.

However, when I set "dark mode" and change page, the wiki is light again.

Setting "dark" in every page is troublesome as clicking links is ubiquitous.

I would like a way to solve this,

It would be good to either set dark mode by default in my wiki or in my user. If both are possible I would like to know it as well.

Cheers and thanks in advance. (Don't know how to sign here, no button)

It's not quite the same thing, but Timeless-DarkCSS might be similar to what you want. As for signing, just type --~~~~ at the end of your message.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Amelia (talkcontribs)
Thanks, I will try that. And if anyone else has more reccomendations for dark themes also would try those. Our wiki community is accustomed to fandom darkness -in all possible senses- (sadly my keyboard configuration doesn't use those "tilde" signs, spanish keyboards don't have them physically inscribed either. Oh well. copy and paste it is...) --NimoStar (talk) 05:49, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
The bug with the dark mode extension is known. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c - (on) 06:07, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
That's too bad. Anyways, I ended up doing my own version of a dark Timeless mode since the "dark" one was not too much to my liking (outdated code and giant serif fonts) It is here ; if anyone has any advide on how to share it in mediawiki platform, I will hear. --NimoStar (talk) 02:14, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Gallery template don't recognize any parameters

Hi, I'm working on a Infobox that have a gallery on it but for some reason when I try to use parameters inside the gallery tag it does not recoginize them as parameters. I already did that once on Fandom on now I'm trying to do the same here so I can autopopullate the gallery.

This behaviour seems intentional so I would like to know if there is anyway to get what I want.

Here is what I'm trying:


And should be used like this:


Any hint??

--arracso (talk) 17/06/2020

@Arracso: {{{1}}} doesn't work in tags like <gallery>. I worked around it by declaring a variable with #vardefine, which is a parser function provided by the Variables extension. See mh:silentblue:Template:YouTube. Jack980517 (talk) 19:32, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
@Jack980517: I already tryed using Variables on this example. As you can see it works for setting the text of the gallery but it does not work to set the image. Do you think this is a bug??? Also have any idea how to solve this. I'm open to anything. I know js but still figuring out how to use it on templates. Also I don't know not lua which I think I will be the best to solve this (create a gallery using lua). --arracso (talk) 19:53, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
Tabber seems to work for this purpose. Thanks for your response. I still want to know someway to use the gallery since maybe Tabber won't always work.

Help making multi-language wiki?

So, in out project at we have an Spanish wiki. But we also want to have an English wiki with translations of the same subject, and possibly more (we had a barebone English wiki with interlink added at the dreadful Fandom). However, I do not know nor was able to figure out how interwiki links and extra language wikis are managed at Miraheze. Do we need to request for more separate wikis? (such as ""), do we use the same domain and administration? Do site admins need to link our wikis manually, or can we do it ourselves? Is there any guide to this or manuals? I think the ones at mediawiki would only be good if we were miraheze sysops. Thanks in advance. --NimoStar (talk) 02:19, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

There's a couple of ways to handle this, first, we can create multiple wikis and add interwiki prefixes that will be treated as language links (will need to look up how that is configured, but if that's what you want, all you'll need to do is ask). Alternately, you could just enable the translate extension so that you can have multiple language versions of the same page on the same wiki. As an example, you can check out our main page. You should be able to do this yourself, unlike the multiple wikis option which will require a phabricator task. -- Void Whispers 02:00, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Annual survey

Hi! The time has come for our annual survey, please participate: Special:MirahezeSurvey. Reception123 (talk) (C) 16:09, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

The problem with blogs comments on PowerDagger15 Friends Wiki

It seems that the wiki which I'm the bureaucrat on, "PowerDagger15 Friends Wiki" has blog pages, but comments on blog pages are not working. When I made a comment, I press post, but it's not working. What can I do? CircleyDoesExtracter (talk) 10:46, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Delete archives of crummyscratchers, crappyscratchprojects, and reversecrummyscratchers

Hi. I'm CircleyDoesExtracter. I am telling to delete the archives of subdomains,, and They emailed me, and I am not the owner of 2 wikis, but I am the owner of reverse crummy scratchers wiki. Pacsonic9000 owns CSW and CPSW, and he requested me to delete these archives. CircleyDoesExtracter (talk) 22:16, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

This is censorship. Are you even allowed to do this on behalf of Miraheze Staff? It's their say on whether or not a wiki gets archived by Wayback, not yours. KamafaDelgato021469 (talk) 23:59, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
The scratch team wants to take down the archives, but I do not own these wikis, so Pacsonic will do the work. CircleyDoesExtracter (talk) 01:00, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
Please don't bandy about big words like "censorship." No government is involved. I believe Wayback is a totally separate organization that makes copies of information it finds (freely) on the web. Spıke (talk) 01:39 6-Jun-2020
I tell Wayback Machine to delete the archives of subdomains crummyscratchers, crappyscratchprojects, and reversecrummyscratchers! Can I need the stewards to request deletion of archives? CircleyDoesExtracter (talk) 20:12, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
Miraheze has no control over the Wayback Machine! Contact the Internet Archive (which owns the Machine) here: --stranger195 (talkcontribsguestbook) 09:40, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
But it said that I'm not the owner of these archives, Miraheze is truly the owner of these archives. I told Rhinos to do. CircleyDoesExtracter (talk) 00:17, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

RfC draft open for comments

I am requesting comments from the community for my draft RfC User:Sario528/Draft:Global rollback. This RfC will be a follow-up to the CVT reform RfC, and covers the possible creation of a new global group. Sario528 (talk) 19:39, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Translation is not reflected

I have translated Meta:Administrators/ja but the translation is not reflected.Please give some advice.thanks.--松•Matsu (talk) 13:03, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Hey @: This is due to my conversion to the <tvar> tags. It's normal behaviour, on the main translation page it's okay. Regards --MrJaroslavik (talk) 13:34, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
@MrJaroslavik: Thank you for your reply.I was relieved to hear that it was normal.Is it okay to blank this page?--松•Matsu (talk) 13:59, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

More Stewards. Any candidates?

While I am not really around much here I took at short look at some of the noticeboards and requests and it looks like there are really not enough Stewards and even Global Sysops for this big project (also remembering the Reception wiki problems). I do not think I know enough or that I am active enough to be a candidate for any of those posts but I think someone should take a step forward and try to run! I will support any users with a history of experience and that show understanding of the Miraheze policies as I think a new person is really needed. Maybe we also need more users and volunteers that are active on Meta, but how do we do that? DeeM28 (talk) 17:25, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Also we have seen a lot of WP:SNOW candidates before and that is not what I am asking here! Only users with actual experience should step forward. DeeM28 (talk) 17:26, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, Miraheze need more active stewards for responding requests at SN, request for adoption, locks, etc...--MrJaroslavik (talk) 19:54, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Skin Customization

How do I customize a pre-existing skin like Vector? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ARavenInATree (talkcontribs) 19:40, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

CDN server error?

User:hibiki told me that they couldn't view any pictures on my wiki; all requests to the PNG files themselves return 500. I can view them perfectly fine however. I'm accessing using a HK IP address, and they tried UK and HK IP addresses. This is only happening to my wiki, not any other wikis. I'm suspecting a CDN error, but that couldn't explain why they still encountered the 500 error when using a HK IP address. Can someone take a look please? --Jack980517 (talk) 09:23, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

This is affecting all wikis and is tracked in phab:T5812. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c - (on) 09:25, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

How can I make a good looking main page for my site?

I seem to have problems designing a somewhat decent looking main page, my wiki is the Canimals wiki which I own and edit on.Μπέλα2006 (talk) 18:14, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Do you know the code to add pictures to a wiki page? And to make text "float" around it to the left (or to the right)?
I don't understand this!
  1. If you need ideas for how to make a main page look good, look at other people's wikis. You can steal and reuse their code, providing you indicate in the documentation that it was theirs.
  2. If you had something in mind and don't know how to write Wikicode to make it appear, we can help you.
  3. If there is something specific making your main page look bad, we can get to the bottom of that too.
A main page should welcome the reader and explain what the reader can find, and do, on your wiki. A good way to start is to just write text. Section headings, boldface, and italics (if not over-used) can make it more appealing to the eye. Then add photos and colors. Spıke (talk) 18:45 28-Jun-2020
Also: When asking for help, include a link to the wiki you're talking about, so we can click on it and see the problem. I don't see a "Canimals" wiki at all. Spıke (talk) 18:48 28-Jun-2020
@Spike I do know how to add Images but I do not know how to code on the site. Also the Link for the Canimals wiki is .Μπέλα2006 (talk) 18:51, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
Then I still don't understand what you are asking. Your Main Page looks respectable; the "ugliest" thing about it is hitting new users with 21 rules and other things not to do! The best general rule is to look at a lot of other wikis and then "edit" or "view source" to see how they coded it. Spıke (talk) 19:20 28-Jun-2020
The rules part was imported from another wiki. Also, Could you fix the problems by wiki has?Μπέλα2006 (talk) 19:23, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
I don't see any problems, and you still aren't saying what they are. Thank you for making me an Admin, but now I think you are just advertising for visitors! Besides, I've never watched Canimals! (And you have rules against death threats and porno links!) Spıke (talk) 19:29 28-Jun-2020
It’s fine by me for somebody to have not watched it, I am not advertising it, just saying.Μπέλα2006 (talk) 19:31, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

All images below original resolution are very blurry

Hi. On the company bumpers wiki ([2]) for some reason any image shown below its original resolution, e.g. when it's been added to a page, comes out really blurry. It's not just my connection, I've tried different devices on different networks to the same result. Any ideas what's causing this? I haven't been touching the settings other than to play with some extensions which shouldn't cause anything like this. Hb1290 (talk) 03:42, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Infobox template error

I am trying import the television episode infobox from Wikipedia to my canimals wiki, but trying to do that even after css was imported, it still gives me a error, could you please explain this?Μπέλα2006 (talk) 17:52, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Μπέλα2006: Many Wikipedia Infobox templates are dependent on other templates and you must have them all for it to work. On CSS, you can't simply import it but must install it in a controlling page such as MediaWiki:Common.css. There is slightly more at FAQ#How do I install infoboxes on my wiki, like Wikipedia has?. There may be a better answer from someone who knows the details of this template. Spıke (talk) 18:24 29-Jun-2020
@Spike: I have css on but still can’t get the infobox to work correctly, could you help me do it?Μπέλα2006 (talk) 18:27, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
You cannot import a {{Infobox television episode}} whose first line is {{Infobox television episode! This doesn't define itself, it calls itself, which is exactly what you are being told in the error message, Template loop detected. You have imported a template that calls another template, which you probably didn't import. See the first sentence of my first reply. Spıke (talk) 02:00 30-Jun-2020
@Μπέλα2006: If you want to bring in complex templates from Wikipedia like infoboxes and navboxes, you should export the page from Wikipedia using Special:Export on their site, making sure to have "include templates" ticked, then upload the resulting XML file on Special:Import on your own site. This will bring across your template plus any modules and other templates it might be reliant on. Hb1290 (talk) 01:15, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Important information regarding any wiki requests regarding Scratch

Per this RFC for the next 45 days any requests relating to scratch will not be approved. This starts as of July 3, 2020 at 20:24 UTC. Zppix (Meta | CVT Member | talk to me) 20:24, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Why is new group in "Groups you cannot change" list?

I just created a new group (Editors2) to test. My current editors group members lost their ability to edit. I created a task on Maniphest (T5197). Meanwhile, I'm trying to set up a new group to see if it works better. But the group ended up in the column Groups you cannot change. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mike*V (talkcontribs) 21:55, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Database error Fatal exception of type "Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError"


I get the below Error when I try to confirm a new user

Unable to create account requests after review using "Extension:ConfirmAccount"

A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software.

[XlqhX1j8TVgeQ-VWcDebrQAAAI8] 2020-02-29 17:37:35: Fatal exception of type "Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError"

What do we do? -MeMeGuY — Preceding unsigned comment added by MeMeGuY (talkcontribs) 17:14, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Can someone please give me a very basic and easy to follow guide to creating infoboxes and infobox templates to use on my wiki? Thank you

I mean the subject says it all- I've been trying for hours to figure out how to get an infobox to appear. I would like to create a template for an infobox for cities- so that when I use it for multiple pages, each one about a city, there will be an infobox with facts such as when it was founded, where it is located, who rules it, etc. Everything I have found is written by experts for other advanced users, and extreme absolute beginners like me can't understand a single word. Would somebody know what to do- how to get this result?

From what I've tried, I've received a template loop error, and now all it comes up with is "Template:Infobox" in red, not even "Template:Infobox city" like what I had written. I have a page called Templaet:Infobox city which has some code that looks (for example) like:

{{Infobox | title = {{{name}}} | caption = {{{time}}} }}

and on the page where I want the infobox to appear, I have something (once again, just an example) like:

{{Infobox city | name = Babylon | time = 1894 BC - 1000 AD }}

The examples are just super basic and not actually what I use, but they're to the extent. If someone could please help me understand why the infobox is not appearing, instead saying there's a loop or plain red text, that would be much appreciated.

Side note, if I manage to understand how to get this up and running, having an image in the infobox would be much appreciated. I'm not sure if I'll be able to figure it out on my own, so if you want to explain how that works as well I won't be complaining :)

Thank you very much — Preceding unsigned comment added by Claviclepatella (talkcontribs) 03:53, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to Miraheze! Basically, typing {{TemplateName}} into a page simply copies ("transcludes") the text of the specified template and inserts it at that point. You've figured out how to pass parameters. There is no secret to getting images to appear; the code of the template, after being transcluded with the parameters substituted, simply has to make sense at its new home. If you are seeing "Template:Infobox" in red, it means that Template:Infobox doesn't exist on your wiki. Naturally, as your examples suggest that you named it "Infobox city". This part of the problem I suspect is the result of a simple typo.
MediaWiki's help page is here. Wikipedia and other wikis already have "Infobox city", as well as a generic template to build infoboxes for specific uses such as cities. Our FAQ may help you import their templates.
Two general tips: Find a wiki that's already doing what you want to do, and steal the code. Also, type what you want into the page without using a template, then transfer more and more of it into the template. But first, solve the naming problem! Spıke (talk) 11:21, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm unfortunately back again with more infobox problems :/

Thank you for your message before, but I unfortunately couldn't figure out the problem. I read the wiki, FAQ and revised my Template pages, to no avail.

Firstly, I checked the page I want to infobox to appear on and it said that it was getting templates from both Template:Infobox and Template:Infobox city, even though I only had {{Infobox city}} written in. The Template:Infobox page wasn't needed (or at least I hope not) so whatever I had been messing about in there, I deleted the page, clearing it. I left just Template:Infobox city, but the page where I wanted my infobox continued to say it was pulling templates from the two pages.

It seems like there are two types of templates- the template you have on the "Template:Infobox whatever" page that tells the wiki what parameter goes where, and how to build the infobox, and the template you put on the page where you want the infobox to go. I believe that my problems are with the first kind of template. SO I went to the FAQ to see if there was something about how to use these first kind of infoboxes.

Reading the FAQ I saw you had to import and export templates to get infoboxes to work. In that case, since I don't want a premade infobox template but a custom template to create a custom infobox, I went to Wikipedia and found Template:Infobox, the page I believed had the template to create templates- in specific, the first kind of templates I was talking about, the ones that go on the "Template:Infobox whatever" page. And now I found myself with even MORE problems as I couldn't get the Special:Import page to work.

I had copied the link of the Template:Infobox page from Wikipedia, and using Wikipedia's Special:Export page, I exported it as a XML file. From here, I went to my own wiki's Special:Import page, and placed the file in. Once I got it to work by some miracle, and it said it had imported some pages such as modules and stuff, things I didn't really want. But there it was- the Template page. I went there and... nothing at all. It was blank- even in the script editor. I had gone back to the page where the infobox should be to find nothing at all.

I went back to Wikipedia's Template:Infobox page to try and copy some of the syntax (I think that's what it's called?) of what looked like the template into my own Template:Infobox page. And yet, it read it as the second kind of template I was talking about, the template that draws upon the first. It called upon itself and created a template loop.

I'm going to read about Import and Export, and I would like to read about the first kind of template, but I haven't found any information that I can understand yet. It's like reading a dictionary, but all the definitions are made up of words you don't know the definitions of.

I'm also going to search other people's wiki's on Miraheze to try and find instances of infoboxes and see if I can figure out what they've done.

If you see anything I'm doing wrong, or anything I should be doing, please tell me- it'll be extremely appreciated. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Claviclepatella (talkcontribs) 23:35, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

First of all, rules:
  • Post to talk pages by appending to the relevant section, or creating a new section.
  • Do not erase your previous posts to a talk page.
  • Especially do not erase my response. When you call up an edit box and type in new comments, that's what you're doing.
  • Sign and timestamp your post by typing ~~~~ at the end of your final line.
I think the reason it tells you you are calling both {{Infobox city}} and {{Infobox}} is that the former calls the latter, because the former is built in terms of the latter. Most Infoboxes, if you try to view them as a page rather than transclude them, will show you instructions on their proper usage. Typically this includes how to code images: It may be that you have to type the complete File: or even [[File: syntax, or it may be that you just type the name of the image file. This depends on how much of your parameter the template transcludes and how much the template adds on its own.
FAQ won't give you information anywhere this detailed on a specific template. Moreover, what we wrote at FAQ only described the case where you want to import complete templates from a wiki such as Wikipedia. I use templates and would not want to deal with these complications. Again I suggest that you get a page to appear the way you want it to, and only then think about using templates to automate the process to simplify creation of additional articles. Spıke (talk) 00:34, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Using chosen value from a field as a category for second field

Hey all, been running myself in circles trying to sort this one out, so hopefully someone has an idea or two I haven't thought of. I'm primarily using PageForms and trying to make a second field use the value of the first field as it's category, which I think needs to just be carried over as a string, though my knowledge sort of fizzles out beyond whats readily found on the internet and I might just be speaking gibberish. Anyway, this is a nonfunctional quasi-code snippet that I think represents what I'd -like- to do, but it seems not nearly as simple:

'System' field|System|mandatory|values from category=Systems|existing values only

'Planet' field|Planet|mandatory|values from category=value_chosen_in_System_field|existing values only

I can reference these fields on the following page of course, but not right on the form page itself. And I know the show on select option exists, but that requires adding all trees into the form manually, whereas I'd prefer it be dynamic as new data will be regularly added to all of the categories. I feel like I am overlooking something obvious, as I certainly can't be the first person to want to do this, and I appreciate any guidance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by CnoTe (talkcontribs) 03:25, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Where add template?

I feel so clueless.

I just want to compile research, articles & photos to provide for leaders & others to reference as they're figuring out methods to deal with Coronavirus. Was hoping to do in basic format like this:

Main Title

Section Title Citation Summary of research (& maybe photo in there somewhere) ~Just text. No additional title needed Explanation of significance -Some little way to signify transition to new topic, by indent, italic or ??

with ability to add more sections.

Where do I make a template like this & will it automatically be inserted whenever I make a new page? I'm sorry to ask so many questions--I'm trying to learn but also get doing research faster. If you can help me figure out, thanks a TRILLION!!

  • I'm catching on some about formatting, but don't know where to make a template file that will appear on all pages.
  • I saw a reference to "local settings" (I think for css) but I am not able to find. Please help?

Update: I better not keep try to use another format to try to keep records in right now. This has turned out to be too high of a learning curve for me, lol! — Preceding unsigned comment added by MiH (talkcontribs) 18:21, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

You might look at my recommendations to someone else in Sec. 5 above.
The coding that might help you is a Wikitable:
Title Fred's diary

Summary of research (& maybe photo in there somewhere) ~Just text. No additional title needed Explanation of significance -Some little way to signify transition to new topic, by indent, italic or ??

Get the code to work first. Then transfer it to a template to mass-produce it! Spıke (talk) 22:34, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Lost ability to post comments and create pages on Terrible TV Shows Wiki

I was a autoconfirmed user on the wiki but for some reason, I lost the rights. I talked to an admin and he made me as a confirmed user but the problem still hasn't been resolved. How can I become a autoconfirmed user again? I have no issues on Crappy Games Wiki or Awful Movies Wiki where I am a autoconfirmed user. On Rotten Websites Wiki, I'm not an autoconfirmed user but I can still make edits and post comments. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sofaking we todd it‎ (talkcontribs) 00:14, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Can someone solve my problem? Why are you answering the questions posted after me without answering mine? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sofaking we todd it (talkcontribs) 17:48, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Only the Edit Source option is available when trying to update my sandbox plus previous issue still not solved.

I want to update my sandbox on Awful Movies Wiki but it's only letting me edit the source only and not edit the page itself. That's very inconvenient for me because it's much faster to edit as the page should be displayed unless I'm uploading videos.

And I still haven't gotten a reply with the previous issue that I posted last week that I'm having on Terrible TV Shows Wiki. Can someone please let me know what's going on and why Miraheze is becoming worse to use with each passing day?

This is getting ridiculous. Once again, the users who posted after me are getting help from the staff but I get ignored. Can you at least post something so I know what the reason is? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sofaking we todd it (talkcontribs) 23:05, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I’m doing something!

I’m moving the CLG dream logos thing from Wikifoundry to Miraheze! — Preceding unsigned comment added by HazelnutyBoy (talkcontribs) 17:13, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Requests for Comment/Prohibit hate-based wikis

This is now an RfC at the address shown above. The discussion that was here is moved to the RfC. Spıke (talk) 13:22, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Requests for Comment/Require that RfCs undergo a public comment period

An emerging RfC would require future RfCs to have two phases, a public comment period lasting at least 1 week and then a formal vote, during which new ballot proposals would not be in order. It seeks to allow public participation but have the RfC be well-defined before voting begins so as to avoid redrafting on-the-fly.

The RfC will follow the rules it proposes for future RfCs and will therefore remain in my userspace (at the address shown above) for at least 1 week. Your comments are welcome there. Spıke (talk) 15:05, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

As I got feedback only by invitation before the start of the 1-week comment period, and none at all since, I will not submit this as an RfC at this time. 23:41 23-Jun-2020 Two of my contributors suggest I was wrong to read too much into the lack of feedback during the week, so I have indeed moved the RfC to mainspace, at the address shown above. Spıke (talk) 13:18, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

can't go on kbos funnies and multiple other wikis

should i clear my cache? — Preceding unsigned comment added by The real kbos Cuddly Rainbow Guardian (talkcontribs) 17:45, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Questions about Autoarchive specifications

When I refer to Autoarchive, it says "Bot only archives texts below h2 level section".How does the archive bot work if we use strikethrough in section?--松•Matsu (talk) 15:46, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@: As Autoarchive recommends that authors use a date from 2099, within <!-- comments -->, to ensure that a section will not be archived, my guess is that the 'bot ignores MediaWiki markup. It would see your timestamp and ignore the struck-through context. This is what you want, as your recent comment should inhibit archiving even if you then saw fit to strike it through. (I welcome correction from the owner of the 'bot.) Spıke (talk) 16:58, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Spike:Thank you for your reply.When you check the example you taught me, it seems that the bot looks at the source and makes a correct judgment even if the section displayed on the display is broken.(∵Bot ignores markup.)When I check this difference , Void seems to have corrected it just in case.(@Void:Thank you for the fix.)--松•Matsu (talk) 04:26, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

There seems to be a dummy signature template that prevents sending to the past log.@MrJaroslavik and RhinosF1:Could you consider introducing it?--松•Matsu (talk) 04:26, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@MrJaroslavik and RhinosF1:I will try to reissue the proposal after testing on the testwiki, so I will withdraw once.--松•Matsu (talk) 13:35, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
I created a trial version on the test wiki..Please see Template:Do not archive until.--松•Matsu (talk) 08:02, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Hosting Custom Font

I have created a custom font face that I want to use (as a web font) for my RPG gaming wiki. Is there a way to upload the .woff (and/or the other format font files) and then utilize it as part fo the custom css for my wiki?

As this is a font face I have created form scratch, licensing of it is not an issue as I am the rights holder for the font.

What are the steps I need to take to actually get my custom font uploaded and/or installed and then referencing it within css as a web font for use across the entire wiki? — Mitchell Gore (talk) 06:58, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

@Mitchell Gore: Hi, you would need to upload the file via Special:Upload and then use @import css in MediaWiki:Common.css. If you need any help with this please let me know. Reception123 (talk) (C) 17:03, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Use template arguments in <nicovideo>

When making mh:silentblue:Template:YouTube, I used the variable extension to use the second argument as the video ID. However, the same doesn't work with <nicovideo> tags. (See mh:silentblue:Template:nicovideo) Of course directly using {{{2|}}} doesn't work either. Is there a way to achieve what I want? (Note that, due to the current Content Security Policy configurations, nicovideo embeds would not load. The only way to see if it worked correctly is to see the HTML source code in Inspect Elements. I've already reported the CSP problem as a comment under T5535, but this is a separate problem.) Jack980517 (talk) 16:59, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Solved: {{#tag:nicovideo|{{{2|}}}}} More information
Pinging @Arracso: who had a similar problem with the gallery extension. Jack980517 (talk) 19:48, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

I ended up using Tabber instead of Gallery. Arracso (talk) 20:20, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Skin is currently stuck and unchangeable.

I can't change the skin on my own wiki or even my personal preference for this one. It is always stuck looking like this:

I've tried going through Special:Preferences and over to appearance to change my skin, but it is STILL stuck. I've removed all customization from .css.

I am incredibly frustrated and very close to just deleting my account all together. All I wanted was to use this program to create a fake wikipedia page for a school project but nothing is working. ARavenInATree (talk) 21:02, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Have you checked if you are in mobile view? That is the default mobile skin. Hb1290 (talk) 02:59, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
How do I check if I'm on mobile view? ARavenInATree (talk) 22:04, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Scroll all the way to the bottom and look for the desktop/mobile view button. If the button reads "Desktop", you're in mobile view. Hb1290 (talk) 09:44, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Why am I not an autocomfrimed user yet?

I make a lot of edits on other wiki and why am I still not autocomfrimed Andrewbdfe (talk) 05:52, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Andrebdfe: Editing a lot on a wiki doesn't automatically make you confirmed PowerDagger15 (talk) 16:11, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
I didn't know that okay Andrewbdfe (talk) 21:47, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
@Andrewbdfe: To add to @PowerDagger15:'s response, autoconfirmed user group is what's known as an implicit user group that is automatically granted to all registered user accounts upon reaching certain criteria. On Meta, and on most wikis, typically, one needs to make ten (10) edits and have had their account for more than four (4) days. See Special:ManageWiki/permissions/autoconfirmed#mw-section-autopromote for more detail. Dmehus (talk) 14:17, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Running a News Site

Heya! Does anyone have a wikinews or blog-like site setup on miraheze? I'm fairly new to mediawiki and DynamicPageList3 is giving me trouble. So if anyone has a tutorial or some examples I could look at that would be super helpful!

CarolynKS (talk) 18:00, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

I use DPL on the Front Page at The Mirror; you can look at that. One thing I have come to know is that there are many, many different implementations of DPL. On Wikia Uncyclopedia, we used DPL to sort authors in the Hall of Shame by number of featured articles. But now at, we have a DPL with no numerical sort capability at all. Spıke (talk) 22:11, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks! This is exactly what I needed.
CarolynKS (talk) 23:01, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Category Issue

When I load up a category, it will say nonsense followed by Fatal exception of type "MWException". Why on Earth would it do something like that, but what makes it worse is it they were working fine yesterday and then all of a sudden, this happens, why does it do that?Μπέλα2006 (talk) 15:30, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Update: Category’s are working again.Μπέλα2006 (talk) 15:50, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Miraheze's servers are unreliable and have a tendency to have momentary outages. It could be one of them. ~ El Komodos Drago (talk to me) 15:23, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
I'm not sure what caused that error that Μπέλα2006 reported, but I'm going to {{ping}} RhinosF1 to this thread as he be able to offer some insight. Separately, this is unrelated to the above fatal exception error, but just thought I'd note this category-related bug which I've recently reported and which is tracked on Phabricator at T5905 (in case anyone has also noticed and wondered about that bug). Dmehus (talk) 15:35, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Please add interwiki link$1 to interwiki table on Snap! Wiki

I am an admin there, ( and I am requesting to add this interwiki link.$1 links to forum posts. This will make creating citations easier. It would be in the format topic:$1 Thanks in advance! GrahamSH (talk) 19:00, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

@GrahamSH: You have two options here. You can request for a global interwiki administrator to add this link to your wiki's Special:Interwiki. Or, if you are needing to add multiple sites to your Special:Interwiki, you may wish to hold a local election or appointment process, consistent with your local wiki's policies, to appoint a local interwiki administrator on your wiki alone that can add sites to your wiki's Special:Interwiki. As only stewards can add this user right, whether part of the local or global group, you can then visit Stewards' noticeboard when your local election or appointment process is complete and request that a steward grant that user right locally on your wiki. If you are on Discord, you may be able to message the @Stewards group, either to notify them of the request on-wiki or possibly to make the request. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 13:29, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
@GrahamSH: Also, did you want that link to be forward-enabled so external links can follow those interwiki links or not? Let me know which option you would prefer, whether a global interwiki administrator to attend your wiki and add it or if you'd prefer to organize a local election or appointment process on your wiki. If the former, I can connect with a recently active interwiki administrator. Dmehus (talk) 13:35, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
@Dmehus: I think we will have an election, but for now, can you get a interwiki administrator to do it. I do want it to forward. GrahamSH (talk) 15:37, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
@GrahamSH: Sure, I will {{ping}} FireBarrier101 to this thread to follow up with you on your wiki and add the interwiki link as requested. They've been fairly active the past few days, so that's why I picked them from the list. If you don't hear from them within 2-3 calendar days, re-{{ping}} me, and I'll find another interwiki administrator. Dmehus (talk) 16:06, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
@GrahamSH:  Done T ҍ C(yell / earth) left miraheze 21:09, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, FireBarrier101. Just checked Snap's interwiki and noticed it reads as$. I think you might've missed the number 1 after the $? Dmehus (talk) 22:00, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 Fixed! T ҍ C(yell / earth) left miraheze 22:06, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
FireBarrier101 It should be forward enabled. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GrahamSH (talkcontribs) 13:12, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 Forward flag fixed by FireBarrier101 (log) Dmehus (talk) 15:13, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Cannot create new page from search

Normally to create a MediaWiki page, you can simply search for the article in your search box. If the page is not found, MediaWiki will prompt you to create the page. However, on my wiki, I am not prompted to create a new page. I can create a new page if I create a link of a word that does not have a page, but I don't get the link to create a new page from searching a page that does not exist. Is there any feature that must be enabled? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arrobarriba (talkcontribs)

@Arrobarriba: try the instructions here. ~ El Komodos Drago (talk to me) 17:22, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
@El Komodos Drago: what you suggest works, but what I want is to be able to create a new page from a search of a page that does not exist. Arrobarriba
I'd suggest that you just work with what you've got. If you can create pages, that's the main thing. ~ El Komodos Drago (talk to me) 18:58, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @Arrobarriba: I've noticed a few peculiarities with the search functionality, but generally, what I do is when you type in a non-existent page, it should show up in the search bar as unbolded, italicized text. This means neither a page or redirect exists in that namespace. When you hit enter by right- or left-clicking, there will be a bluelink (if it exists on the wiki) and a redlink (if it does not). Click on the redlink to create the page. The italicized text denotes that you are conducting a search, not travelling directly to a page. Hope that helps? Dmehus (talk) 19:02, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

@Dmehus:It's exactly the red link that does not come up after the search. Arrobarriba (talk) 19:12, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

@Arrobarriba: Thanks for adding the timestamp to your signature! Revibot thanks you, as it archives this page. Anyway, it comes up for me at the Wikipenne wiki. Which wiki is it? It comes up for me on any wiki I've visited, really. Dmehus (talk) 19:15, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
@Dmehus: you're right, it was showing on the theme I had, but it's not in the present theme, which is what I would like to use. Try now. Arrobarriba (talk) 19:25, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
@Arrobarriba: Ah, that makes sense, so it could be a skin-related issue. For clarity, I am using the Vector skin. Which one are you using, is it a Miraheze preinstalled skin, or a custom skin? Also, unrelated, I noted Wikipenne is marked as "closed" due to dormancy. If you are wanting to keep the wiki, you can go into Special:ManageWiki to re-open it, as I believe you're a bureaucrat on that wiki. Dmehus (talk) 19:33, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
@Dmehus: I'm using the preinstalled theme MinervaNeue. I have reopened the wiki now, thanks. Arrobarriba (talk) 19:39, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
@Arrobarriba: That's good you were able to get your wiki re-opened. Thanks for the reporting the error with that skin. I'll {{ping}} a system administrator on Discord and see how to resolve this. I have re-added the section header that you accidentally reverted when replying (diff). Please be careful when replying on talk pages. Dmehus (talk) 19:44, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
Okay, I tried out the MinervaNeue skin on Meta and, indeed, I see what you mean in that there's no ability to create a page from search. I suspect this isn't a bug, but rather, it's the way in which the skin was designed. Have you tried checking out that link @El Komodos Drago: sent you above to see about modifying your MinervaNeue skin? That's the only thing I can think of. Dmehus (talk) 20:11, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
@Dmehus: About that link, I want to try to add the Extension:InputBox, but I need to access the local files to install it. I am trying with FileZilla but I can't connect to the server, I am not sure what I am doing wrong. Unless there is another way to access the files and install the extensions, I am running out of options. Arrobarriba (talk) 22:09, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
@Arrobarriba: Okay, a couple things. If you want an extension that's not in the full list of extensions Miraheze has approved, then you need to submit a Phabricator ticket using the "feature request" form. There's a security review by system administrators that has to take place before new MediaWiki extensions are deployed on Miraheze. You can find a more friendly, though not necessarily as complete, list of available extensions at Extensions here on Meta. As to FTP or SSH access, only system administrators have that access, so you won't be able to submit anything in that way. As to the problem with the skin, it does sound like you would need to customize it heavily; however, you should also be able to submit a Phabricator feature request outlining the functionality you're looking for in the MinervaNeue skin. Hope that helps. -- Doug
Cc. @Paladox:, since I pinged him before Dmehus (talk) 00:22, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

"Exception" error

Hello, and thank you again for your beautiful work!

My wiki is working well, but I have a problem when a new user has to set a new password at first access. The password input works, but after that I see a page which says (italian version):

Errore interno [6ed00020e037182f9468e092] 2020-01-16 10:55:53: Errore irreversibile di tipo "Exception"

Is it possible to fix it? (the best thing should be redirecting the user to a news page, like "Your account is ready, welcome and begin navigatioN"... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kadmin (talkcontribs) 10:25, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, i took a look, and searching for 6ed00020e037182f9468e092 didn't bring up anything. I then noticed it said "2020-01-16 10:55:53" which is January 16th 2020. We don't keep logs till back then. Any current info you have (like from today)? Paladox (talk) 19:55, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Cite feature under visual editor

I have added a visual editor and citoid extensions, but when I try the "cite feature" I do not know how to enabble other formats aside from "basic". I would like a "books" and "journals" templates, or better yet, a system like en:Wikipedia where I just throw a link around and it tries to automatically fill and matches it to the appropriate template.MaGoV (talk) 13:41, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

PLEASE HELPMaGoV (talk) 10:46, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
@MaGoV: does this help? ~ El Komodos Drago (talk to me) 17:10, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

WikiHorses move to miraheze: when trying to import pages fails

When i try to import full pages and history to miraheze from, gives me "Import failed: Expected <mediawiki> tag, got". Pls, help me!

--Einstein8P (talk) 21:21, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

@Einstein8P: Try again. Sometimes it takes a few goes. ~ El Komodos Drago (talk to me) 17:00, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

I want to connect to free subdomain (from

I want to connect to free subdomain (from can't understand anything. I want to change address from to Please help me...

I'm afraid I don't know much about the subdomain system (apparently you have to request it somewhere) but you could try the Discord. ~ El Komodos Drago (talk to me) 16:59, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Uploading screenshot

Trying to add a screenshot to showing how to switch the SVG converter setting, as a way to illustrate a fix for blurry SVG rendering. Is there way to allow image uploads here? I tried to upload it, but I got a warning saying it wasn't allowed without an admisnntrator approval. – Mitchell Gore (talk) 14:13, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

@Mitchell Gore: I have moved your out of scope question from Meta:AN to the community noticeboard where general technical suppport type questions related to Miraheze and wikis in general are asked. As to your question, I have seen this question often on Discord and IRC, but am not sure what the exact solution is. Going to {{ping}} @Paladox and RhinosF1: as I believe one or both of them may know the answer. Dmehus (talk) 15:54, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
Update: Mitchell seems to have found a working solution in a section higher up on this page. Not going to merge the two threads as I think it would be confusing, but rather provide this link. Dmehus (talk) 16:02, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Why do we have to request wikis?

Why do we have to request wikis on here? Can't we have a tool that users can use to create the wikis themselves, like FANDOM does? Tali64³ (talk) 19:41, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@Tali64³: The primary reason is to make sure that our Content Policy is being adhered to. The second reason is to prevent a massive flood of wiki creations that could crash the servers. Amanda Catherine (talk) 20:16, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
@Amanda Catherine: Why not hire more volunteers to close wikis that violate the Content Policy? Or upgrade your current servers? Or get more servers? Tali64³ (talk) 15:49, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
I would say that crashing the servers doesn't seem likely by simply creating wikis. As for the suggestion of closing wikis that violate the policies that would be difficult as we can't monitor everything. We are currently working on an artificial intelligence system that will allow more wikis to be created automatically, however. Reception123 (talk) (C) 17:00, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
I tried to understand this (and the dormancy policy) a while back but have yet to recieve a convincing explination for either of these. I really think that they are problems Miraheze has created for itself unecicarily. ~ El Komodos Drago (talk to me) 17:02, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
Speed bumps are occasionally good things. :) DMBFFF (talk) 22:11, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Why does nobody listen to me

I want to known how people can’t respond to my questions?㊗️⚽️Μπέλα2006⚽️㊗️ (talk) 20:54, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Some people are more inactive for some days. Also, some people take a lot of breaks. CircleyDoesExtracter(Circley Talk | Global |Email the Cloud) 14:16, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
Summer time. DMBFFF (talk) 22:15, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Native SVG file handling

Currently SVG files are rendered as a ONG when used as an image on a wiki page. However this defeats many of the reasons why creating graphics in the SVG format are better than pixel-based images. It also precludes any of the interactive aspects that can be put into an SVG fit (mouse-overs, clickable links when clicking on a part of the image, etc.).

  • Is there a way to bypass SVG rendering into PNGs and simply display/deliver the image as the SVG file itself and let the browser do the rendering?

I read a little bit about the Extension:NativeSvgHandler over on MediaWiki and this appears to be what that extension is and does.

  • Has this ever been installed into a wiki hosted here on Miraheze?
  • If so, what (if any) issues, etc. came up?

I am hoping that this is a viable solution, as I have some complex map SVG files I have created for my RPG gaming wiki, that have a bunch of interactive elements in the (mouse over legends of map locations, links to other map files, etc.) that would all really need to be displayed/delivered natively as SVGs instead of displayed as rasterized PNG images. – Mitchell Gore (talk) 21:01, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Question about the commission election

Is it possible to nominate other users to be code of conduct commissioners? DeeM28 (talk) 07:41, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

New Account Permissions/Notification on a Private Wiki

My wiki is a private wiki (as it needs to be) but I want to have a better understanding of how I can set up notifications of new user accounts when they are created, so that I can control and easily process, said new accounts. With a private wiki, accounts need to be “members” in order to actually view and edit pages. On a private wiki, accounts that are not made “members” can only view the main page.

As the “admin” and “bureaucrat” for my wiki, what's can I do to be notified when a new account is created, grant it the needed “member” status, etc.?

What are best practices in setting up and managing such issues? – Mitchell Gore (talk) 17:06, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

@Mitchell Gore: Special:Log/newusers is probably the best way to monitor new user creations, or attachments, for your private wiki; however, I would strongly encourage you not to locally block users who merely visit the public Main Page of your wiki as their accounts are attached just by clicking through to your wiki. I don't get the idea you were going to do this, but just wanted to point that out for other private wiki owners. Regarding Special:Log/newusers. there's no Atom feed for that log page directly, but what you could do is transclude it as {{Special:Log/newusers}}, optionally parsed by a "date since" and then every month or so, just update the "date since" to declutter the transcluded page. This would allow you to monitor the Atom feed for that page. It should be quick and easy to set up. Dmehus (talk) 17:20, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
“however, I would strongly encourage you not to locally block users who merely visit the public Main Page of your wiki as their accounts are attached just by clicking through to your wiki.” –  @Dmehus:
Correct, I wasn't looking to do this. I was mainly asking what best practices are to set-up/maintain processing any new account so that I can grant them “member” status when they sign-up. Currently, someone could go the front page of my wiki, create an account, but since there is no way that I would be notified the account was created, it would just sit there in limbo. That new account would only be able to see the main page, but not see or do anything else. But since by default there is no notification that a new account was created, as an admin I would not know about it in order to rectify that situation by granting “member” status.
I'm not sure I fully understand what you are suggesting about transcluding the Special:Log/newusers page. Simply putting {{Special:Log/newusers}} on a page (like my user page) simply makes it a link to the log page. Which is handy as a quick link, but doesn't really solve the issue of notification of a new account being created.
Granted it isn't a case of a many people coming to my wiki and creating accounts at this point. But setting up a proper workflow/system to have me be notified, so I can process new account permissions in a timely manner would be helpful. – Mitchell Gore (talk) 17:56, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
@Mitchell Gore: It's more or less a quick and easy way to transclude the recent user creations onto an actual page of your wiki that has a built-in Atom feed you can monitor from any RSS/Atom feed reader. There's probably an easier way, and you could probably have a miraheze IRC sub-channel or Discord feed set up for your wiki, though this would include all wiki activity and would have to be customized in some way for certain logs, pages, etc. Are you on Discord or IRC? Probably the easiest way for either of those options would be to ask a system administrator for assistance in setting up a Discord bot for wiki or for setting up a miraheze sub-channel for your wiki on IRC. Dmehus (talk) 18:02, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
@Dmehus: Except {{Special:Log/newusers}} doesn't actually transclude anything. It simply renders as a link to the log page. As for the RSS/Atom feed stuff, that's talking right over my head. – Mitchell Gore (talk) 18:34, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
@Mitchell Gore: Well, it actually is transcluding something; it's transcluding the contents of that special log page into a normal page on the wiki. The wiki software is configured to display only a certain number of log entries per page (usually defaults to 50) depending on the user's set preferences, so whatever the system default is set to is what should be transcluded on that normal page. As for RSS/Atom feed readers, essentially, it is type of structured data that allows the content of a webpage to be read various software packages and rendered in a myriad of formats, constantly updated in (near) real-time. The content of a page, blog post, wiki page, etc., is sectioned off into various elements, and those elements are how the various software packages read the content and notify the user of updates. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 18:49, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Template help

I’m in need of importing some templates. I’m worried tho, is there any gnarly css and modules to import this?

Template on:

You know, that little image carousel thingy


•• Fair0002 • Bureaucrat and Administrator of Crazybloxian Empire Wiki 07:57, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

delving into the source of that page, here is the code you'll need:
<div class="jcarousel-wrapper"> <div class="jcarousel jcarousel-randomize"> <div class="jcarousel-list"> <div class="jcarousel-item"> {{banner|direction=left|width=40%|title=The Grossglockner High Alpine Road|image=Grossglockner High Alpine Road (06).jpg|quote=The Grossglocker High Alpine Road (German: Großglockner-Hochalpenstraße), is the highest surfaced mountain pass road in Austria at a height of 2,504 m (8,215 ft).}} </div> <div class="jcarousel-item"> {{banner|direction=right|width=35%|title=Salzburg as seen from the Fortress|image=Salzburg from Festung Hohensalzburg (05).jpg|quote=The city of Salzburg view from the Fortress.}} </div> <div class="jcarousel-item"> {{banner|direction=left|width=30%|title=Within Hohenwerfen Castle|image=Hohenwerfen Castle (07).jpg|quote=Interior of Hohenwerfen Castle (German: Festung Hohenwerfen), a mediaeval rock castle overlooking the Austrian municipality of Werfen.}} </div> <div class="jcarousel-item"> {{banner|direction=right|width=30%|title=View of Werfen from the castle|image=Werfen from Hohenwerfen Castle (06).jpg|quote=Elevated view of the municipality of Werfen from the mediaeval Hohenwerfen Castle.}} </div> </div> </div>
Obviously sub in your files where the .jpgs are and write captions as needed. The only template you need is this one. Neccessary CSS and Javascript can be found here and here. Put those in Mediawiki:common.css and common.js respectively, unless you want to use gadgets. Hb1290 (talk) 11:05, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Wiki logo showing grey

  1. Go to
  2. Look at the top left

It should show the logo that I configured.

It shows a grey rectangle in the place of the logo. Daily5 (talk) 09:49, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

@Daily5: I think that the size of the set image is too large. The ideal logo image is 150x150px. See also MediWiki's FAQ. --そらたこ (talk) 11:47, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daily5 (talkcontribs) 13:15, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Polls are not working properly

I'm admin of Giantess Wiki.

A few months ago I had noticed that the polls had "restarted" (i.e. their vote counter had returned to 0). I had overlooked it thinking that they would manage on their own and that the votes would come back in time. However, I have noticed that polls suffer from strange behavior: The vote counter ranges from 1 to 4, and when a new vote is added, the results are altered at random. In short: polls are suffering from a glitch.

I don't know if this is happening with the other wikis as well, but with Giantess Wiki it is happening with the old and new polls.

Aurumargelium (talk) 21:48, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Happy Birthday Miraheze!

Happy Birthday/Anniversary/whatever you want to call it! (I completely forgot about this until I saw the 5-year page in recent changes). Congratulations everyone. 🎊 🎉 – AmandaCath (talk) 00:10, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Hosting Custom Font (bumped)

(bumped from archive)

I have created a custom font face that I want to use (as a web font) for my RPG gaming wiki. Is there a way to upload the .woff (and/or the other format font files) and then utilize it as part fo the custom css for my wiki?

As this is a font face I have created form scratch, licensing of it is not an issue as I am the rights holder for the font.

What are the steps I need to take to actually get my custom font uploaded and/or installed and then referencing it within css as a web font for use across the entire wiki? — Mitchell Gore (talk) 06:58, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

@Mitchell Gore: Hi, you would need to upload the file via Special:Upload and then use @import css in MediaWiki:Common.css. If you need any help with this please let me know. Reception123 (talk) (C) 17:03, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

@Reception123: I can't seem to upload any of my custom font files, because the file types are not allowed in the default set of allowed file types on a wiki here on Miraheze. How do I go about changing my wiki settings to allow the various web font file formats (.wof, .ttf, etc.) to be uploaded and used?
In addition, what specific steps do I need to do, once the .wof file(s) are uploaded, in order to use them as webfonts with my wiki's CSS?
I have used Google web fonts on another wiki in the past, where the @import url tag is used on the common.css definitions, then called in the vector.css page definitions as any other font css element deceleration. If someone could give a precise run-down of what needs to be done when uploading and hosting the .wof webfotn oil (and if any other custom file file formats need to be generated and uploaded) and what css coding needs to be done on the various css mediawiki pages, that would be a huge help. Thanks in advance. – Mitchell Gore (talk) 02:01, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Request for Comment/Global Rollback group

A RfC on the possible creation of a Global rollback group has been posted here Sario528 (talk) 03:32, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

SVG thumbnails are rendering very blurry

I noticed that the past several SVG files I have uploaded to my wiki, are rendering thumbnails at extremely low resolution. Clicking through to the original svg file display the file properly within the browser window, but basically ALL the rendered PNG files, even when being rendered on a page, are blurry and basically unusable. Is there an issue with my wiki install? Is there a work-around? – Mitchell Gore (talk) 08:38, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm having this exact issue over on See my post about 2 sections up. Hb1290 (talk) 00:12, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
I think I found a working solution. I switched the SVG converter from “ImageMagick” to “Inkscape” in the wiki setting, and it seems to now render the SVGs in nice, clear, crip quality at all sizes. This is done by going into the Special:ManageWiki/settings page on your wiki, clicking on the "media" tab, then selecting the “Inkscape” in the “SVG converter” menu. – Mitchell Gore (talk) 14:13, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
@Mitchell Gore: It looks like you've found a working solution. See also this thread at the bottom of this noticeboard, in which I moved your duplicate post from the Meta administrators' noticeboard. Meta:AN is really only for local Meta problems or to request local rights on Meta only. If ever in doubt where to post as we have a few noticeboards, you can never go wrong with the community noticeboard. It's like a catch-all for community questions. Having said that, we have an active community and Miraheze staff on IRC and Discord and I have seen this question asked was either paladox or RhinosF1 who answered the question, I think, but am not certain exactly as to the precise cause/solution. So you may wish to consider joining either (or both) of the IRC and/or Discord channels as often an answer is just minutes away (especially for quick answers to known problems/questions). Dmehus (talk) 16:09, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi, just tried this solution to no avail, or does it take a while to fully take effect? EDIT: Nevermind, It's working nowHb1290 (talk) 05:06, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
@Hb1290 and Mitchell Gore: Does the problem still persist? An resolved identical problem reported in Miraheze Phabricator Hispano76 (talk) 22:34, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
@Hispano76: I haven't had issues with rendering since I switched my wiki over from using “ImageMagick” to “Inkscape” as the rendering engine. However, I did post another topic on the board here, about seeing if not rendering the SVG at all on the server side, and serving the SVG file up to be rendered natively by the browser has ever been done/implented on a Miraheze hosted wiki? (haven't gotten any response from anyone)
This would allow a lot more functionality (as well as avoiding any SVG rending issues) such as clickable elements within an SVG graphic, and other SVG interactive functionality, which gets totally lost when the SVG is rendered as a PNG. It has always struck me as very bizarre that MediWiki implements PNG rendering for SVGs in the first pace, which kind of defeats the whole point of vector graphics. – Mitchell Gore (talk) 01:49, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
@Hispano76: Thumbnails now working like a charm. Hb1290 (talk) 12:47, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

URL Shortener does not work

Wiki: custom / /
There are problems with some of your input.
Links to the following domain may be shortened:
URLs to domain are not allowed to be shortened
How that could be solved ? Thanks. Затейник (talk) 16:06, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

@Затейник: Custom domains must be whitelisted in the settings for it to work. I've done so and it should be working now. Reception123 (talk) (C) 05:32, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Error while creating blog entries

There is a problem with creating new blog entries, when you want to create a new one, you get an error message saying.

Error: There is already a blog post with that title. Please choose a different title for your blog post.

Someone would think that there is a blog post with that same name (when in fact it didn't exist previously), but in reality, the blog post is created, but to access it you have to go to "Recent Changes" and search through the new editions as if it were a newly created post.

This error is annoying because it would make someone believe that they can't create blog entries.

Aurumargelium (talk) 23:09, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

@Aurumargelium: Since this is an error with an extension, would you be so kind as to post this on Phabricator so that we can track it better? Thanks! Reception123 (talk) (C) 05:30, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
Done! Aurumargelium (talk) 06:20, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

How you do it?

Sorry but how do you see the number of visitors on your Wiki by phone? Francesc 25 (talk) 09:05, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

@Francesc 25: Special:Analytics#mw-section-devices on your wiki. Reception123 (talk) (C) 05:29, 24 July 2020 (UTC)