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    Is Miraheze supports interwiki links to other Miraheze-powered wikis?

    I was wondering how links work when it comes to interwiki links. I tried a few tests below, so send me some feedback about the tests.

    communitycentralbympteam:Bulletins:Community

    If it does not work, my suggestion is support interwiki links to other wikis. Maybe I'm stressed out to insert external links to other wikis each time. --DekuPH2006AJHalili (talk) 09:57, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

    Yeah, we have general interwikis for other Miraheze wikis, which should be [[mh:wikiname:fullpagename]]. As for the example above, thus, the interwiki should be written as: [[mh:communitycentralbympteam:Bulletins:Community]].--開拓者 (The Pioneer) (talk/contribs | global🌎) 10:08, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
    That's nice, but what if I host some external site (for instance, a wiki on one on my own servers) and want to point the miraheze: entry on Special:Interwiki somewhere? If I create a link to a page like https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/mh:communitycentralbympteam:Bulletins:Community from outside, it doesn't get me whatever's on Bulletins:Community locally here, it gets me an error message. Carlb (talk) 22:38, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
    The links are only done by changing the way the software renders links on a page. In this regard, it is rather limited, as it does not allow you to use the full features of interwiki links. I'm not too certain how to accomplish what you are asking, but wouldn't it be easier to simply link directly to communitycentralbympteam.miraheze.org/wiki/Bulletins:Community? -- Void Whispers 23:39, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
    There are over 3000 individual Miraheze wikis. If I'm some random sysadmin of some random outside, external wiki I might be willing to add one miraheze: entry to the interwiki table on my site, much like I have one interwiki for wikipedia:. I'm not going to add 3000 individual Special:Interwiki entries to each of 3000 Miraheze projects, many of which are inactive or largely empty - but if the whole thing could be done on one interwiki prefix, that at least is viable.
    As an example of how this works, the wikipedia: interwiki prefix on most non-WMF sites points to just one of the hundreds of wikis in the Wikimedia family, perhaps (most commonly) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/$1. So what happens if one of my users wants to link to Wikivoyage's article on Montréal. Wikivoyage is part of Wikimedia, but I don't have a direct interwiki pointing to fr.wikivoyage.org. No problem. I have an interwiki to en.wikipedia, so a user can wikilink [[wikipedia:voy:fr:Montréal]] and Wikipedia's server will unpack the resulting mess ( https://en.wikipedia.org/voy:fr:Montréal ) as it recognises voy: as a local interwiki to the Wikimedia sibling, which in turn will recognise fr: as a language interwiki, which will eventually land on "Montréal est la plus grande métropole du Québec..." in Wikimedia's French-language travel guide et tout va bien. I don't need to know whether voy: is a page namespace, a language code, another interwiki or just part of the page title; I send all the outbound-to-WMF links to Wikipedia and let their server handle redirection to individual sibling wikis.
    If you're relying on the wiki which contains the outbound link to know that "communitycentralbympteam" is a subdomain and "bulletins" is a namespace? The software running a site located outside Miraheze doesn't grasp this distinction and shouldn't need to do so. Modifying the outbound link on the originating wiki only works if that site knows your URL structure (including any custom domains or subdomains for individual projects) and is running non-standard software to try to figure where the link is supposed to go. That's not going to happen, as the site sending traffic to you is running stock versions of the code which make just the one ($1) substitution and do no other parsing. The end result is that users of other wikis can't link mh:projectname:pagename as an interwiki link, so instead must use plain external links - complete with that pesky "nofollow" attribute which tells search engines to ignore those links as potentially being spam. Carlb (talk) 01:12, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
    Ah, I see what you mean. I'll take a look at getting this done at some point soon. -- Void Whispers 20:28, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

    Problems

    Here at Miraheze, we encountered some problems. First of all, there are too much wiki requests waiting for approval, so we either have to add more wiki creators or let registered users access the Special:CreateWiki page to create a wiki. Thank you. LegoMasterSend me a message! 10:41, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

    I agree with the part that we need more wiki creators. You can become one by yourself, if you make a request here and it succeeds. However, I don't think we should allow any users to create a wiki. Unlike Wikia/Fandom, we run on donations, and allowing to host malicious or/and invalid wikis without checking can cause severe damage not only to our servers but also to our finances.--開拓者 (The Pioneer) (talk/contribs | global🌎) 17:13, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
    I dont want to make a request because not enough global edits LegoMaster (talk - contribs - logs - uploads - global contribs) 04:36, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
    To add to LegoMaster's statement, I initially found the wiki creator tool very intimidating. Very rarely does one run into a non-automated system on the internet these days and when you are normally asking for something big (Wikia uses it for adoptions) and it frequently becomes quite complex. Now the Miraheze system is neither but conveying that to users is difficult. ~ El Komodos Drago (talk to me) 22:49, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
    @LegoMaster: Wiki creator does not require that many global edits. Since you have already been monitoring the request queue and have reminded us that there are unreviewed requests, I think it would be fine for you to request wiki creator. Reception123 (talk) (C) 05:51, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
    I think that people will put an oppose vote because not enough experience LegoMaster (talk - contribs - logs - uploads - global contribs) 11:11, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

    help me with my wiki

    I have this wiki, and script errors kept showing up. I need someone from Fabricator to fix it, or a Lua module editor, or someone who is familiar about Lua modules. LegoMaster (talk - contribs - logs - uploads - global contribs) 10:51, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

    @LegoMaster: Which pages have these script errors? Reception123 (talk) (C) 17:51, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

    Please add these statistics to Special:Analytics

    Please can we have data about screen size and operating system available in Special:Analytics. ~ El Komodos Drago (talk to me) 11:31, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

    @El Komodos Drago: Yes! I have now added these two options to Analytics. Enjoy! Reception123 (talk) (C) 18:17, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

    Need to attach my accounts

    I currently have a second account on the Nonciclopedia.org wiki that according to my account manager is not attached to the global account. Can someone help me into doing it? Is the problem because that account was made when that wiki was on a different server than Miraheze? -Phantom Dusclops'92 (talk) 21:57, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

    @Phantom Dusclops: That could well be a problem, as Miraheze has global accounts that apply across individual wikis. Users imported from another server are not attached to your other account here. The best solution is to settle on a single Miraheze identity, and write sufficient documentation to tell Nonciclopedians you are the same person. Spıke (talk)23:24 6-Mar-2019
    Looks like someone didn't document this, but it's already been fixed. -- Void Whispers 00:28, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

    Development of Structured Wikiquote

    Hi,

    It’s been a long time since a multilingual, Wikibase-based version of Wikiquote has been proposed and supported Meta-Wikimedia but it seems the Wikimedia Foundation & Wikimedia Deutchland don’t care (they don’t care much of anything else than WPedia, commons & WData). Could Miraheze host it & would it be any interrested developpers ?

    Thank you — CreativeC (talk) 21:07, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

    @CreativeC: Yes, (as long as they respect our policies) any wiki is welcome at Miraheze! Reception123 (talk) (C) 17:59, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
    @Reception123: Thank you. Now to find motivated devs -- CreativeC (talk) 19:10, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
    But could Miraheze accept regular updates of the Structured Quote extension (even a restricted FTP access to the specific wiki ?) ? -- CreativeC (talk) 19:13, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
    I don't understand this, as the real Wikiquote is working well, and some of its pages are multilingual. I am not a contributor but an occasional reader, but how would you motivate developers to begin work on the same thing with a different underlying design (perhaps more "structured" than the original?) Spıke (talk)23:22 6-Mar-2019
    @Spike the Dog: Wikiquote can’t be used as a database and thus reused by other website. Also Wikiquote isn’t a multilingual-wiki; meaning that you have to re create a page of an author dozens of time to translate the same quotes + it slows the work as communities don’t meet others so much. Also WikiquoteS aren’t really known, so maybe merging it into a single community will make it famous —CreativeC (talk) 21:18, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

    Adding/installing custom fonts

    How do you go about installing custom fonts? I only need to use a handwriting style font in a template. I don't want to change the font for the whole site. The font in question is called charm and is available on google fonts. Thanks. Borderman (Talk) 09:28, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

    I think I've done it, just not sure if it's the correct way. I added the following to the beginning of commons.css @import url("https://font.googleapis.com/css?family=Charm"); and then set the font-family in the template, which eventually changed the selected text to the desired font. For future references, is there another way of doing this or is the easiest way. Borderman (Talk) 13:21, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
    I'm pretty sure that's the easiest way to do it, as it's what I would have suggested doing. -- Void Whispers 17:08, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
    That is more than I knew about invoking them. Regarding not changing the font for the whole site, this will happen automatically; you have to specify style to get it to be used. Either a new rule in MediaWiki:Common.css (and the rule can state which picture elements it applies to); or in an individual picture element. Spıke (talk)21:48 7-Mar-2019

    Problem with the queue, again.

    (Originally under the original problem discussion thread but decided it was better to post here)

    The problem with the queue being filled with wikis has resurfaced, 9 wikis are in the queue to either be declined or accepted. Please take a look at this when you can. JoeBee James (talk) 17:40, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

    Dormancy policy exemption

    Not sure if this is the right place but @John: told me to request on Meta.

    Please exempt my wiki - weather.miraheze.org from the global dormancy policy so that no inactivity remedies will be taken against it.

    Please see https://weather.miraheze.org/wiki/Weather_Wiki:News/March_2019_Inactivity for more information. Amanda Catherine (talk) 02:25, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

    @Amanda Catherine: Usually they are done on Stewards' noticeboard but I guess this is fine. As for the exemption itself, the issue I see is that there is not enough content on the wiki to justify an exemption for "Wikis made to be read, where a lot of information is already on wiki and doesn't need to be actively edited." While weatherwiki has many pages regarding policy, there are only 4 actual content pages (including the Main Page). I would like someone else's opinion on this, but I would be inclined not to accept the exemption because of this reason. Reception123 (talk) (C) 07:29, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
    I was under the impression that “founder request” was a valid reason for an exemption. But if it isn’t anymore, fine, just please don’t close/delete/whatever the wiki without emailing me per what I linked to above. Amanda Catherine (talk) 21:06, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
    Just a passing comment but Miraheze doesn’t recognise “founders” but communities. John (talk) 21:47, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
    I'm sorry about the intrusion, but I'm taking advantage of it. Reception123, John. In my Ucroniaswiki wiki, I am working on content articles in the Taller and Lista namespaces rather than in the main space for various reasons: Articles should be complete before moving them to the main space and that for the moment, the article counter does not count them until they are finished.
    If in the future, my wiki has more than 100 articles with content in the Taller and Lista namespaces and none in the main space. Can't you still ask for an exception? Ucronistaw (talk) 19:27, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

    Twitter cards

    A "Twitter card" is code in a web page that lets Twitter display a graphic inside a tweet that cites the web page. The code consists of several META tags in the HEAD of the web page, whereas stuff we code inside an edit window goes into the BODY of the web page. I could write JavaScript in my website's MediaWiki:Common.js to move it, just before the page is rendered. But it's not clear that the Twitterbot renders the page at all. Has anyone already completed this exercise and can you offer advice or examples? Spıke (talk)17:06 10-Mar-2019

    You're making this harder than it needs to be, just install and extension to do it for you.
    ~ El Komodos Drago (talk to me) 09:31, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
    @El Komodos Drago: It's a deal! Which one, please? Spıke (talk)10:49 15-Mar-2019

    Meta:Requests for permissions

    I have requested rights like 5 days ago. Can anybody vote? LegoMaster (talk - contribs - logs - uploads - global contribs) 10:21, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

    Need three special pages for my wiki

    This wiki needs three special pages. They are Special:CreateBlogPosts, Special:NewestBlogPosts and Special:Chat. The three special pages are similar to this wiki's three special pages. I don't know what it has to do with Phabricator. LegoMaster (talk - contribs - logs - uploads - global contribs) 10:41, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

    If you go to Special:ManageWikiExtensions and enable SocialProfile, Comments, VoteNY, and MediaWikiChat then enable BlogPage then you will get Special:Chat, Special:CreateBlogPost, and hopefully Special:NewestBlogPosts.
    ~ El Komodos Drago (talk to me) 09:27, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

    How to be an admin?

    I just created the miraheze version of Tolololpedia (https://tolololpedia.miraheze.org) because there is someone that said all uncyclopedias including Tolololpedia will be closed. Some uncyclopedia has moved into miraheze like the chinese and russian uncyclopedia. I'm an admin on the wiki, but not on the miraheze. So i can export, but i can't import. How to ba an admin? --Pradiptamf (talk) 13:41, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

    @Pradiptamf: You must request adminship on the wiki itself. Reception123 (talk) (C) 05:53, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
    But he "just created" this wiki! Our FAQ says, "your user name will be designated the wiki's bureaucrat. (This is a wiki administrator with the power to appoint other users as administrators, and to depose them.)" Did something go wrong in this case? Spıke (talk)17:18 16-Mar-2019
    It seems another user "Mesincuciuddin" created the wiki. See Special:RequestWikiQueue/7488. Flyingcat (talk) 23:12, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
    That solves that nicely! So log back in as "Mesincuciuddin" and make "Pradiptamf" an Admin. Spıke (talk)00:53 17-Mar-2019
    @Reception123: Mesincuciuddin is an admin in the wikia version of Tolololpedia just like me but Mesincuciuddin is currently inactive. And how do i log back in as him? I'm a different guy. --Pradiptamf (talk) 01:48, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
    "Inactive" like in the morgue?! No one here knows what you were on some other website (nor even who you were!). If Mes "just" created a wiki here and then went "inactive," and if you are a different guy, I do think you must petition to adopt it. Spıke (talk)00:44 22-Mar-2019

    Deletion of a wiki to save database

    I have been looking around the Help Center to find what to do, but I couldn't find any proper direction. There is this wiki of mine I don't need anymore, but it has many .png's uploaded. To save space in the storage, I can request a deletion of that one. (Metrocka (talk) 09:45, 16 March 2019 (UTC))

    Hi, you can request it on https://phabricator.miraheze.org Paladox (talk) 17:41, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

    can not upload files

    If you upload a file with https://programmingwiki.miraheze.org/wiki/メインページ, an error will occur. Thank you for your response.--ウソつき (talk) 07:49, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

    Apparently, upload storage seems to be lacking. This is inevitable. I would like to increase upload storage if possible--ウソつき (talk) 07:54, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
    Hey, we are trying to fix it. See phab:T4197 for more details. It looks like, though, we had a temporary fix by changing the limitation.--開拓者 (The Pioneer) (talk/contribs | global🌎) 21:41, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

    I want to help Miraheze financially

    I want to help Miraheze financially because for me it deserves it (I think that it is a good service), however I do not have much money. However, an idea has occurred to me: create a campaign in Patreon. The objective of this campaign is, in addition to obtaining money and donating a percentage to Miraheze, to encourage the administrators of my wiki to do more and better content. This will be convenient to Miraheze, since more quality articles have, the better known my wiki will be, and therefore, the better known Miraheze will be. Do you agree with my proposal? - PaladinDeGigantas (talk) 16:30, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

    Wikia Uncyclopedia

    In response to Wikia's decision to cease hosting the original Uncyclopedia, editors are now voting among four new candidates for a new home. I advocated Miraheze but this got no traction (Uncyclopedia Admins apparently wanting an anxious sales pitch from Miraheze Stewards) until The Pioneer followed up. In the voting discussion, the current site notice stating that capacity is low and "updates will fail" has been cited as a reason not to choose Miraheze; also the deteriorating state of finances. Spıke (talk)10:49 15-Mar-2019

    @Spike the Dog: Well, unless people donate there is nothing we can do, we are a non-profit and that is how this whole site lives, from donations. Where is the discussion page? Reception123 (talk) (C) 05:53, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
    Found it! Will comment. Reception123 (talk) (C) 05:57, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
    Yes, thanks for doing so, and for clearing up misperceptions. There are people in that discussion from the other three candidate webhosts actively advocating for themselves. Spıke (talk)17:14 16-Mar-2019

    I've asked some questions relating to this here on Talk:Miraheze. I should probably have posted them on this noticeboard instead. Flyingcat (talk) 23:56, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

    Probably Stewards' noticeboard, as it is more for wikifarm management than for the community. Spıke (talk)00:53 17-Mar-2019

    Decision looms

    Repeating, the end of the month is the apparent date at which Wikia closes the original Uncyclopedia. Some there continue to argue that lack of money and lack of storage space would mean that relocation to Miraheze would be a dead end. @Flyingcat: asks at Talk:Miraheze whether, in the case that it is a dead end, it is a dead end that leaves in place an abandoned copy of Uncyclopedia for new imitators to reside in.

    Inadequacy of storage and of funding are real issues to a few voters. I think that, in the more numerous cases of members of competing wikis who are kibitzing in the debate at Wikia, it is an excuse.

    Miraheze management has taken the stance of passive welcoming. If it can instead give assurances that Miraheze is a good long-term host, it can acquire another website as notorious and active as All The Tropes. This should be of interest to a wiki farm that wants to be put on the map and perhaps even get a Wikipedia page that isn't immediately taken down. Spıke (talk)17:08 23-Mar-2019

    @Spike the Dog: The vote's over. The people have spoken and Miraheze is a loser. Storage and money won't be enough to make them move to The Mirror Wiki or Miraheze to be with you. You were holding them back and everyone is happier without you. Accept it and move on friend. Alwam101 (talk) 05:56, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
    The Pioneer declined the majority of the requests. There are a few (Arabic, Russian, Japanese), but the rest will either be hosted elsewhere or become defunct. Dysklyver (talk) 15:18, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
    Italian (Nonciclopedia) did move here as I was not willing to accommodate some of Wedhro's more oddball demands, including the demand that the wiki be locked down so that no one can edit. There was also an attempt to move Polish (Nonsensopedia) here; that ended with the community not being satisfied with Miraheze due to a number of serious errors (including a mass-dump of Italian Nonciclopedia content into Nonsensopedia, which never should have happened). The main community is now at independent nonsa.pl, leaving me stuck with the awkward question of the fate of the nonsensopedia.org custom domain as that move has left the domain pointing to a fork, not the main project.
    The Russian ("Olbanian") Uncyclopedia has also moved to independent hosting after encountering unresolved technical problems here.
    There are four others (ar-beidipedia, eo-neciklopedio, id-tolololpedia and zh-cn.uncyclopedia) which were still planning to move here; so far, less than a quarter of the content which needs to be in these wikis before the Wikia versions go dead ("This wiki is closed", no redirect, no other explanation) is there and the import has slowed to a crawl. It is becoming rapidly apparent that the wikis will not be ready in time. See https://meta.uncyclomedia.org/wiki/Forum:Reorganization_of_the_whole_Uncycs#Deadline_is_near.2C_but_not_even_the_half_of_every_articles_are_imported
    Miraheze was defeated in a vote on http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Hosting_options_for_Uncyclopedia_(wikia) on the fate of the original English-language project. That outcome could have been avoided had Miraheze done a better job of handling the other, smaller Uncyclopedia projects which had attempted to move earlier - such as Polish - and if they had deployed adequate infrastructure to handle the task (at 5.2 million revisions in database, en.Uncyc is not "All the tropes"... it's larger, and 100Gb virtual RamNodes are not going to fill the bill).
    Ansaikuropedia (Japan) is not Wikia, was never Wikia, and is not closing down. The Pioneer had made a number of misleading posts a month ago, both on the meta.uncyclomedia.org thread and spammed across every Uncyclopedia-related Wikia on which the Wikia shutdown notice was posted, making false claims that I was shutting down my server or that projects which I am currently hosting were being moved away - effectively portraying this as a two-way choice between uncyclopedia.co and Miraheze. I'm not going anywhere. The Ansaikuropedia hosted on Miraheze is not the main project, it is a fork created by a minority of users who were objecting to one user on ansaikuropedia.org being a bit quick to issue broad IP rangeblocks in response to vandalism.
    Many of the other projects, such as Uncyclopedia 2.0, are projects which have nothing to do with us but which are reproducing Uncyclopedia content, logos or branding without authorisation from the original creators or proper attribution.
    The rest that Dysklyver wants to fork are already defunct; I've hosted them on my own server (so language xx: is xx.uncyclopedia.info) and the data is safe, but there appears to be no active community. I see nothing to be gained by duplicating the content again, if no one is actively editing. Why did you request these, again?
    At this point, the time for discussion of the fate of the original uncyclopedia.org is long past. Miraheze needs to be doing some serious damage control to ensure that the handful of Uncyclopedia wikias which did choose to move here will be ready on time, as any site notices on the old sites saying "we've moved" need to be already running now. The whole Wikia mess goes dead on April Fool's Day and there will be no opportunity then to post anything on their side to say where the communities have gone. We've had a month to prepare and deal with this; I made my hardware upgrades and grabbed backups of everything weeks ago, why are you folks seemingly asleep at the switch? Carlb (talk) 21:48, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
    Hmm. I'm going to poke the sysadmins on all of the import tasks. They really shouldn't be taking this long. -- Void Whispers 22:19, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

    DNS Redirect

    Hello guys,

    I have made a DNS Redirect from my OVH Hosted domain so that http:// or https://zw.fontainebleau-avon.fr redirects to zero.miraheze.org

    In my browser, when typing http://zw.fontainebleau-avon.fr/ , everything seems to be fine to navigate in the Wiki, but if I click on one link on the left menu below the logo such as "Recent changes" or any other one, a blank page is displayed. It sounds that it does not work for any Special Pages.

    Does anyone ever tried to do this ? Is this a normal behaviour ? How can I change that so that anyone reaching my Wiki from zw.fontainebleau-avon.fr has a correct behaviour ?

    Thank you for your help, Kevain (talk) Kevain (talk) 22:17, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

    Hi, you need to follow https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Custom_domains . For the safety of you and other users you need to add a cname so that we can generate a ssl certificate. Also we set a variable that fixes issues with links. Paladox (talk) 22:53, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

    Access rights: Wiki with limited editors but members can comment

    Is it possible on Miraheze to have a small group of users able to create/write pages / articles, and a much bigger group wich can only post comments/ discuss on the page ? A bit like Atlassian confluence. It would be a collaborative way of formalizing projects where everybody have different ideas, and one is responsible for puting it "on paper". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmaugis (talk • contribs) 18:40, 28 March 2019

    Yeah, it's possible, but depends a bit on how you do comments. However, the basics of what you'd do is use Special:ManageWikiPermissions to remove the ability to edit from the * and User groups. Then give the ability to edit to a special user group that you give to your editors. Then, you'd somehow allow users to comment (Extension:Comments may allow users to comment without being able to edit). And that's that. Alternatively, you could use Special:ManageWikiNamespaces/0 to require a certain permission to be able to edit the main namespace, and then setup an editor group that has this permission. -- Void Whispers 21:00, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

    What is the limit of erotic/nude/pornographic content?

    I have read your Terms of Use, but they only say that you must not violate the laws of California or the Netherlands, in addition to the obvious prohibition of nudes of minors. But the limits of erotic images aren't explained.

    1. Is pornography allowed? What kind of pronography is prohibited? (Obviously, the child pronography is forbidden).
    2. Are nudes allowed? What types of nudity are not allowed? For example, those of Wikia FANDOM do not tolerate nudes, but they do accept artistic nudes and "doll nudes" (they are naked that do not have nipples or genitals, like dolls for girls).
    3. And what about the "hentai" (pornographic illustrations with anime/manga style)? And the "ecchi" (illustrations not pornographic but e'roticas in anime/manga style)? And the "lolicon/shotacon" (they are underages drawn, that is, they are not real people, but they are often drawn in a perverted way)?
    4. Is it possible to talk about erotic video games or h-games (hentai games)? For example, there is a wiki that deals entirely with an erotic game: https://cursedarmor.miraheze.org/

    I know these questions are annoying, but I've seen in some wikis (most were Chinese) that had pornographic images. --PaladinDeGigantas (talk) 00:28, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

    As long as it is legal in the both countries, it should be fine. Reception123 (talk) (C) 08:56, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
    I will note that drawn pornographic depictions of minors are generally illegal in the Netherlands since a 2011 law banning it. This differs from the US where I understand it is a grey area. Dysklyver (talk) 15:23, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
    Hey Dysklyver, do you think that this gallery is illegal in Netherlands? It contains "doll nudity" (that is a nudity that doesn't have genitalia or nipple exposure, beacuse they are "deleted" from the drawing): https://brigadoon-marin-and-melan.fandom.com/wiki/Eternal_Green/Gallery --PaladinDeGigantas (talk) 17:09, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
    If it's not pornographic in nature, I'd say it's probably fine. -- Void Whispers 21:10, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
    I concur with Void. Dysklyver (talk) 10:43, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

    Translation of the Miraheze homepage

    Translation from https://miraheze.org for more languages.--Eduaddad (talk) 15:47, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

    @Eduaddad: Translators will handle this issue soon. --Anderlaxe (talk) 13:11, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

    I'm waiting to translate to my language--Eduaddad (talk) 02:09, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

    @Eduaddad: Oh, you mean the landing page which is not MediaWiki. @Paladox: Is it possible to translate? Reception123 (talk) (C) 08:20, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
    It's not possible to translate, though we should probably convert it to use some library like Angluer.js or vue.js or react or even polymer. Paladox (talk) 17:16, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

    how to deal with "413 Request Entity Too Large" ?

    I am trying to use Special:Import at my community and got the following error message:

    413 Request Entity Too Large
    nginx/1.15.8

    I am trying to import an XML file containing the data of a Wikia project's articles. It is 461.9 MB.

    Does anyone know what the maximum import size is? Any way I can change the setting to include this?

    I read at https://craftcms.stackexchange.com/questions/2328/413-request-entity-too-large-error-with-uploading-a-file and https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-unix-bsd-nginx-413-request-entity-too-large/ that for nginx you need to change something called client_max_body_size in "nginx.conf" but I'm not sure how to find that. Is that something any project owner can access, or only miraheze staff?

    https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads#Set_maximum_size_for_file_uploads mentions:

    may require root access to the server. (If you are on a shared host, contact your server administrator.)

    Who is the server administrator of the wiki? Can they give me a temporary boost to 500 MB file upload just to import this XML and then set it back to normal? Or perhaps could they upload it for me, or teach me to upload from the .7z file so it's compressed?

    Compressed by default in a .7z file this was merely 14.9 MB but I was getting a different error "Import failed: Expected <mediawiki> tag, got. " when I tried to import the compressed .7z version of the XML. Tycio (talk) 03:32, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

    hi, that’s because we have a max upload limit set server side. The limit is 250MB. You can request us to import the dump at https://phabricator.miraheze.org/ Paladox (talk) 01:49, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
    I signed up for that but have not been receiving any verification e-mails to activate my Phabricator account. Tycio (talk) 20:07, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

    Is Patreon allowed at Miraheze?

    I have read the Content Policy, but it does not specify if a Patreon project is allowed. What happens is that I would like to know if it is legal to ask for financial help from a Patreon project to be able to make more and better articles for a specific wiki. The money obtained will not be directly for me, since a percentage will be donated to Miraheze. This does not mean that I am going to convert a wiki into a restricted access only for those who supported Patreon, in fact, the wiki will remain fully open to the public. I would like to know if a project in Patreon like this counts as a limited fundraiser-type sales as was mentioned in Content Policy, since the main reason for Patreon's project will be to improve the wiki and its content. --PaladinDeGigantas (talk) 20:01, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

    Here <-- I have noticed that several staff members were in favor of a Patreon for Miraheze, although they have not yet carried out that project. --PaladinDeGigantas (talk) 20:05, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
    I'd say, since you are not selling anything through our services, it's fine to use Patreon to support your work on your project. And yeah, a Patreon for Miraheze is something that really should be on the table. -- Void Whispers 22:29, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
    I agree that we should definitely consider having a Patreon. Reception123 (talk) (C) 06:38, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

    How To Add Videos To Your Miraheze Page?

    I need to know how to add videos to Miraheze pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JuriCon (talk • contribs) 03:23, 30 March 2019‎

    You might be able to upload videos, but I'd recommend using the YouTube extension, which allows you to embed YouTube videos into your pages. -- Void Whispers 03:39, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
    There are a few ways to do this. Option 1 would be to upload a .ogg through Special:Upload and hope for the best. Installing the TimedMediaHandler is defiantly preferred if not a must have for anyone doing this. However video support is hard so unless their is something preventing you from doing this I would recommend following Void's advice.
    ~ El Komodos Drago (talk to me) 12:39, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

    Between the Brackets podcast featuring John

    Since we don't really have a specific place for these kind of things, I thought this would be the best place to post this. For anyone who is interested, User:John (co-founder, sysadmin and steward here) recently recorded an episode of Between the Brackets, a MediaWiki podcast, where he discusses Miraheze-related topics. Check it out here :) If you have any questions about the points raised or feedback, feel free to comment on this post. Reception123 (talk) (C) 15:06, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

    Translate access

    Hello. I can translate miraheze to persian. Please give me translator access for translate Miraheze. Thanks. Alireza Ivaz (talk) 18:38, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

    Yes check.svg Done -- Void Whispers 21:12, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

    Meta:Request for permission is locked

    The title says everything. We can't ask for permissions as permissions ask page is locked. --Anderlaxe (talk) 15:38, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

    The page is not locked, but protected for autoconfirmed users, in order to prevent new users from requesting permissions which will most likely not been granted. Due to the fact that autoconfirmed users do have the right to vote, and since the original protection was due to large amounts of requests from users not on Meta, I have changed the protection to just user. However, this can be again changed in the future on a temporary basis if necessary. Reception123 (talk) (C) 16:53, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

    I have: "Error creating thumbnail: Unable to save thumbnail to destination"

    This error has happened almost a day ago. Every time that my wiki tries to create thumbnails of an image, that message appears. What's going on? Is the storage full? Any failure in the database? Examples:

    1. Check this gallery, it has no thumbnails: https://giantess.miraheze.org/wiki/Gargantua_and_Pantagruel
    2. The new files uploaded has no thumbnails: https://giantess.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:NewFiles --PaladinDeGigantas (talk) 01:20, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
    Yes, I reported something similar at Stewards' noticeboard#Unable to upload. Spıke (talk)01:29 9-Apr-2019

    Upload error

    Since yesterday I can't upload any files to my Wiki (nltramswiki). When I try to do that I get the following errormessage (in Dutch):

    Uploadfout
    Het was niet mogelijk het bestand /tmp/phpqKaTMB op te slaan op locatie mwstore://local-backend/local-public/e/e4/Irkoetsk.png.

    Can you please resolve this problem?

    --Eelco (talk) 06:05, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

    @Eelco: Yes, we are sorry for this inconvenience, please see the mention above this one for more information. Reception123 (talk) (C) 08:40, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

    Creating a public and a private section into the same wiki

    Hi all. I am new here but collaborated as a volunteer in it.wikipedia and other wikis before. I have sent a request for creating a new private wiki for an organization. Actually, I would prefer to have in the same wiki two sections: one public (readable/editable for anyone) and one private (readable/editable just for selected users), as it happens on Wikipedia, where some pages are viewable only by administrators. Is it possible to do something like this with Miraheze? Do I have to change something at this regard in my request? Or have I open two separate wikis? Thanks in advance. --Daniele Pugliesi (talk) 13:51, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

    You could take advantage of the fact that, by rule (see FAQ), even a private wiki's Main Page is public. You can give different classes of user different rights, but I don't know a way to give different pages different treatment. Other people may have better answers for you. Spıke (talk)17:14 4-Apr-2019
    It's not possible to have a flexible system where you can have public and non-public pages on the same wiki. If you need to have public and private pages, you will need to use two wikis. Also, as far as I am aware Wikipedia does not have pages that are limited in visibility to admins only (excepting for special pages). -- Void Whispers 20:55, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
    • As of now there is no way to do that on MediaWiki you can set your wiki to private for the entire wiki, but you cannot do it for certain sections. Examknow (talk) 15:29, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

    ways to check import logs

    We set up a wiki in January 2019 and one of our admins has imported pages with history dating back to 2011 from Wikia, but I'm not sure who is doing it. I checked Special:Log/import but it's blank. Tycio (talk) 17:24, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

    If you're talking about animatedfeet, then see phab:T4166, it is being imported by maintenance script. -- Void Whispers 18:59, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
    I am glad it is underway. I am not able to view this until I verify my e-mail though. Do you know if I started T4166 or if someone else did? When I look at my log it appears when I added the 90MB file it imported 5 pages then stopped. Tycio (talk) 03:35, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

    503 Backend fetch failed

    I have been trying to use Special:Import using a 90MB file to import the recent versions of pages from our old wiki. When I did so today and a couple days ago I got the same error message:

    503 Backend fetch failed
    Our servers are having issues at the moment.
    What can I do?
    If you're a wiki visitor or owner
    Try again in a few minutes. If the problem persists, please report this on phabricator. We appoligize for the inconvenience. Our sysadmins should be attempting to solve the issue ASAP!

    I am unable to report it on phabricator because it will not send me an activation e-mail. Does anyone know what causes this? I am settling for importing the recent version for now to cut down on file size, so the 250MB limit should not be the issue when it is merely a 90MB file.

    When I watched the % it did slowly appear to successfully upload the entire file, it seems to be some problem involved with processing it. Tycio (talk) 18:22, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

    @Tycio: That is because a 90 MB file is too large to be imported on-wiki, and it must be imported by a sysadmin (so requested on Phabricator). Have you tried sending the activation email again? Reception123 (talk) (C) 05:39, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

    I just did so successfully... and it turns out I found all the old e-mails I thought weren't getting sent. They were all in my 'Junk Mail'. I was confused as Hotmail recently split the Inbox into "Focused" and "Other" so I guess I was thinking of "Other" as my Junk Mail. I've added Miraheze to Safe Senders so this shouldn't happen anymore. No idea why HM assumed it was spam! Tycio (talk) 03:38, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

    Private page readable without restriction

    Dear all, greetings, I am new to Miraheze. I have one question: Is it possible to make my wiki readable for everyone visiting it but only editable by me? Thanks!

    Kind regards Thanuttamo

    Please make a task on Phabricator LegoMaster (talk - contribs - logs - uploads - global contribs) 09:36, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
    Actually, this is something that can be done by yourself. Just follow these steps:
    1. Using Special:ManageWikiPermissions, remove the edit right from the '*' and 'user' groups.
    2. Again using Special:ManageWikiPermissions, add the edit right to whatever group you would like to be able to edit. If it's just yourself, adding it to 'sysop' (administrator), would work fine.
    That's it. If you need any help getting this done, please let me know. -- Void Whispers 12:51, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

    Thank you Void for your answer to my question on the Community Noticeb. regarding steps for my Wiki being not editable but readable by anyone. I followed your instructions but still other people than myself can edit any page. It seems there is just the option between a private Wiki (editorial + reading restrictions) and a public one (no editorial or reading restrictions). Is that the case? Or is a mixture possible, I would like the setting of: editorial restriction + no restriciton as to readability for anyone. Appreciate your assistance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thanuttamo (talk • contribs)

    If you follow Void's Step 1 above, general users will not be able to edit your wiki. Spıke (talk)10:37 16-Apr-201

    What I can see on the "Manage a wiki's permissions" page is a bar with this heading "Select existing group to edit". Bureaucrats I selected in this bar in contrats to the "*" which was default. There is another bar with the heading "Create a new user group", which I left empty as was it by default. After doing that I logged out and still was able in that mode, as a random visitor so to speak, to edit without restriction ... What would you suggest in this case? Further guidance is much appreciated.

    IRC proposal: Create Feed channels in other languages besides Miraheze-feed

    Hello, everybody. For a long time I have been thinking that Miraheze should offer feed channels in the user's language for example to create the Miraheze-feed-es or Miraheze-feed-fr channel for users of the Spanish and French languages. Would it be possible? Does anyone support this? Opinions? Ucronistaw (talk) 20:38, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

    @Ucronistaw: This is an interesting idea. I am not sure if it would work with the current setup, but you could file a feature request on Phabricator for it. Reception123 (talk) (C) 09:08, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
    @Reception123: done. Ucronistaw (talk) 22:50, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

    Having problems with the VisualEditor extension: "Error loading data from server: apierror-visualeditor-docserver-http: HTTP 404"

    Hello, i have just enabled the VisualEditor extension in my wiki. The "edit" button turned into two buttons, one for source editing and one for the visual editor, as expected. Clicking the source editing button works normally, but clicking the button for visual editing displays the error message "Error loading data from server: apierror-visualeditor-docserver-http: HTTP 404. Would you like to retry?" Appear. Retries don't work, either. I also tried clearing my cache since i had just installed the extension, but the problem persists. What should i do? Is this problem known already? YuriNikolai (talk) 19:14, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

    Hey, sorry for the late response, but this is a known issue, caused by the fact that not all features needed for VisualEditor are enabled at the same time. One part may take ten to twenty minutes to become automatically enabled. So, it should be working now, but let us know if it isn't! -- Void Whispers 22:29, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

    Database Errors with Images

    I'm getting a database error when I upload an image and save, although the image does upload, as seen in the File List. I also get an error when I try to insert an image in the page. The insert is not sucessful. The errors are all like this: [fbcc4dfb3f1e218a0a7a6f6f] 2019-04-18 16:29:06: Fatal exception of type "Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError". Any ideas? Thanks.

    Hi, this is now fixed. We disabled "Approved Revs" temporarily then re enabled it which fixed the issue. Sorry for the inconvenience. Paladox (talk) 17:34, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
    Thanks! Gregfuller 20:24, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

    Age requirements

    I have some friends who are under 13 and wants to contribute to the wiki. They are 11-ish years old. Is there actually an age requirement, like what Wikia. Inc has? The ToU did not say the age requirement. Thank you.

    I actually want to use this topic to start a community discussion which might be moved to the Requests for comment page once the discussion has reached a number of signatures on it. Please state your comments below about whether the Site should have age requirements.

    Cheers,

    LegoMaster (talk - contribs - logs - uploads - global contribs) 11:51, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

    Hello, we doin't allow under 13s and it's not negotiable under EU law. Please see https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Privacy_Policy#8._Children Paladox (talk) 23:11, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

    How can I add a message in the header?

    I want to know how to add a message like the given examples. --PaladinDeGigantas (talk) 18:37, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

    Hi, they used Mediawiki:Sitenotice Paladox (talk) 23:05, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
    Thank you! --PaladinDeGigantas (talk) 05:19, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
    @PaladinDeGigantas: Be sure to also make any change to Sitenotice_id so that users are shown the site notice (once)! Spıke (talk)16:55 20-Apr-2019
    I actually think that MediaWiki:Sitenotice is not a good choice for updates and news of the wiki. LegoMaster (talk - contribs - logs - uploads - global contribs) 04:49, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
    But it's a good place for alerts, as every user sees it, once only, when used properly. Spıke (talk)11:00 22-Apr-2019

    Fatal exception of type MWException

    I was attempting to setup different user groups and when I saved the first one the site went to saying '[263fa6584ba45c216e0070cc] 2019-04-23 22:35:52: Fatal exception of type MWException." The first half changes when I refresh the page. Not sure what I did wrong. I was trying to use Phabricator as I believe that would be the correct place for this but it's stuck on trying to validate my email which I have a few time and even tired to change the email but it still has the previous one. Em 22:41, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

    Hi, issue is resolved now. It was caused because you enabled "autopromotion" but didn't add any criteria to be met. This has been fixed in the code to prevent it happening again in the future. John (talk) 23:43, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

    Request for additional interwiki

    Hello. Add an interwiki link to Shiropedia. The interwiki is "jawp" and the URL is "[1]".--辞書城主 (talk) 12:52, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

    Yes check.svg Done 辞書城主 Ucronistaw (talk) 13:38, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

    Trouble with Infoboxes

    Hello, I have imported Infoboxes onto my wiki, but I am having trouble getting the text in my infoboxes to actually be in the infobox: https://moonliqhtworlds.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:InfoboxCountry. Also, are there any good tutorials for learning MediaWiki ?

    I would suggest enabling the PortableInfoboxes extension through Special:Extensions and then using the Wikia instructions to create infobox markup. Native MediaWiki infoboxes are based around functions that normal wiki creators should never need to know.~ El Komodos Drago (talk to me) 23:43, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

    Need a list of pages and URLs from the wiki?

    How to get a list of all the pages on sdiywiki which include the text "<ref>[https://www.muffwiggler.com/", and the actual text found between <ref> and </ref> please? Rob Kam (talk) 13:50, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

    Rob Kam it doesn't work for you Special:LinkSearch? Ucronistaw (talk) 13:56, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
    Thanks, that works fine. Rob Kam (talk) 14:28, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

    Files disappearing on our wiki or is it maybe something wrong with templates?

    Hi! Tonight files like pictures started to disappear from our wiki. It seems like when someone updating a page all the files disappear from that page. Example: https://zendari.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page Do you know whats wrong? Is there an issue on miraheze or is it just something on our zendari wiki-page?

    @Tottzi: has already been reported by another community. Ucronistaw (talk) 23:15, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

    Request for local interwiki for haikuos wiki

    --Cafeina (talk) 17:56, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

    Yes check.svg Done Ucronistaw (talk) 18:01, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

    Translator permission?

    Hello, I happened to notice a typo on a translated page, but when I tried to fix it, it said "You need translation rights to translate messages. Get permission", with a link to meta:Translator (which is a red link) provided. According to Special:UserGroupRights, it seems like I need to either get autoconfirmed or get confirmed/translator permissions manually.

    Could anyone tell me why it is so? IMO, foreign users who are capable of translation may not be very active even enough to get themselves autoconfirmed (because they have nothing to edit other than translation works here on meta), and thus anyone, or any registered users, at least, should be allowed to translate pages. Thanks in advance.--ニア・バイオ (talk) 05:24, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

    As I recall, we had an instance where a user was creating accounts and was inserting abusive information into translated pages. This proved harder to moderate than standard editing, so we limited to permission. As well, we've had issues with poor/machine translations being added in the past. Perhaps we should make Meta:Translator with a short blurb to request from any admin. I don't know if we want to allow all users to translate, but we haven't had many issues lately, so it's possible. Anyway, I've added translator to your account. -- Void Whispers 01:54, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
    Thanks for your reply and action.--ニア・バイオ (talk) 02:02, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

    Discussion notifications announcement

    As you have probably noticed by now, Site updates have not been sent/updated for a while. The main reason for this is the fact that there was not an interest in it, and there was not enough information that was worth sending to users monthly.

    I have already sent this message to the Site updates list, but I am also posting here because I would like to propose a trying out a different type of notice sent to users. Instead of monthly updates of a limited number of statistics (which can be consulted by users anyway), staff would instead notify interested users if there is an interesting discussion (on Community noticeboard or Stewards' noticeboard) or if there is a local vote on Meta. Currently, there is no incentive for many users to visit Meta and check recent changes to see if there is anything they would be interested in, so this system would fix that and notify users of that so they can join in the discussion whenever there is one.

    In order to subscribe to these notifications, please add your name in the same format to Discussion notifications/List, and you will start being notified on your talkpage. If there is interest in these notifications, they will be continued. Reception123 (talk) (C) 08:02, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

    I have uploaded a image which I want to use as thje logo of my wiki:MX Linux Users DE but there is only a part presented. The whole logo you can see on Peter Littmann.

    What are the options? Who can shrink the presentation? Should I upload it in a special format? --Peter Littmann (talk) 19:15, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

    I wish to get the Interaction section like on wikipedia, please.

    On the wikipedia there is is on the left side a section named Interaction:

    • Help
    • About Wikipedia
    • Community Portal
    • Recent Ceanges
    • Contact page

    How can I get a section like this on my wiki, too? --Peter Littmann (talk) 21:11, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

    Peter Littmann with Mediawiki:Sidebar on Wikipedia Ucronistaw (talk) 21:23, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
    But you might know that I host my wiki not at Wikipedia. So the question is: How can I implement this in my wiki here? --Peter Littmann (talk) 22:58, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
    You can add a custom MediaWiki:Sidebar on your wiki. the format will be **link URL|title.--開拓者 (The Pioneer) (talk/contribs | global🌎) 23:16, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
    But how? Is it under tools? special pages? administration? --Peter Littmann (talk) 23:32, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

    How to automatically underline links?

    On wikipedia when I set a link it is underlined automatically. Here I have to use <u> and </u>. Is there a way to better this? --Peter Littmann (talk) 23:06, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

    You can add a custom css for links on your user common.css and/or MediaWiki:common.css on your wiki. it should probably be like a { text-decoration:underline; }--開拓者 (The Pioneer) (talk/contribs | global🌎) 23:14, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
    I have selected the CSS extension now, too. But where should I place these files?
    Provided you create CSS files with the names shown above, they will take effect automatically. By the way, there is also CSS code you can use if you want them to appear differently while the pointer is hovering over them (a:hover). Spıke (talk)00:25 12-May-2019
    Also, it is a very good idea not to try to underline every a ("anchor") that you include on the page, but instead specify the CSS ("cascading style sheet"). "Style" includes your decision that links should be underlined. If you change this decision, the CSS is the only thing you have to edit. Every page of your wiki will obey this decision. Spıke (talk)03:42 12-May-2019
    @Peter Littmann: You said that on wikipedia your link is underlined automatically. What do you mean by that? --Examknow (talk) 21:08, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

    test

    Can I create my own test wiki? LegoMaster (talk Account information: block log – contribs – logs – abuse log – CentralAuth) 00:21, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

    We prefer that users use publictestwiki.com for testing. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 18:15, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

    Referata compromised

    Hello,

    I'm not sure if anyone is already aware of this, but it appears that one of our competitors, Referata, has had its databases compromised in what appears on the surface to be a DOS takedown. The vast majority of Referata sites either will not load and instead redirect to a spam message, and if they will load, are locked from editing and still have hacking spam on them (LocalSettings.php was leaked as part of the hack). Despite multiple attempts to regain control of the service, it appears that Yaron Koren, MediaWiki developer and founder of Referata, has been unable to completely expel the hacker(s). As such, I would not be surprised if Miraheze gets an uptick of wiki requests/import requests due to this. Amanda Catherine (talk) 20:59, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

    The MediaWiki mailing list received an email from Yaron Koren, MediaWiki developer and lead sysadmin of Referata, saying that the problems appear to be resolved and that the security bug was in the SiteSettings extension. I have therefore suggested to Yaron to use ManageWiki instead. Amanda Catherine (talk) 12:17, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

    HELP!: Fatal exception of type MWException

    My wiki has an internal error. Please, fix it. I don't know how it happened. --PaladinDeGigantas (talk) 02:49, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

    My wiki has been fixed! Thank you so much!!! --PaladinDeGigantas (talk) 03:38, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

    Removing all content from a wiki?

    I still want to continue my wiki, but between importing it from Wikia and changing nearly all of my layouts/templates to better fit the space here, it's become a disorganized mess. I'd rather start from scratch, but keep the same URL if possible. Polyrhythm (talk) 04:26, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

    @Polyrhythm: That is possible, please make a request on Phabricator. Reception123 (talk) (C) 15:22, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

    Comments Extension

    It would nice if those that uses Comments Extension would count as our contribution and notification if replied. Mar9122 (talk) 19:33, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

    On Talented Deviants Wiki, can you please enable these extensions?

    The extensions that are going to be enabled are:

    1. Comments
    2. Flow
    3. YouTube
    4. Template Sandbox
    5. Sandbox Link
    6. Poll
    7. PollNY
    8. VisualEditor

    Theresnoname (talk) 07:57, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

    Theresnoname I can do it, but I see there are other active users. Do they agree? Hispano76 (talk) 14:05, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

    They didn't care about these extensions, but do it anyway. Theresnoname (talk) 14:18, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

    Theresnoname Yes check.svg Done, I did not enable Poll and PollNY because they cause conflict, you must choose only one. Hispano76 (talk) 17:02, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

    Typo on the main page

    I'm new to this wiki and noticed a typo on the main page so I thought I would report it. "Januarary 2019: Miraheze upgraded to 1.32!" Cheers! Reguyla (talk) 12:10, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

    Thanks for pointing it out, fixed by Void. Reception123 (talk) (C) 16:13, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

    How do I change the alignment of an infobox?

    Hello! I'm writing this question because I do not know how to change the alignment of a userbox on my wiki. For instance, if I want it to be on the right side of the page, as most Wikipedia infoboxes are. Thanks! --LiamUJ (talk) 20:14, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

    If you imported your infoboxes from another wiki, import the page MediaWiki:Common.css, it should fix all the styling related to most of the templates from that wiki. -- Void Whispers 20:19, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
    Awesome, thanks for letting me know! --LiamUJ (talk) 20:21, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

    Translator permission gone?

    I tried to translate a page to find out that the permissions seem to be gone. This tells me that I'm still a "translator", but I can't translate any pages. Is this part of all the broken permissions I found on my wiki and are reported on some other Japanese wikis (as seen here)?--ニア・バイオ (talk) 11:49, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

    Well, I couldn't either. This is because there was an incident regarding permissions and permission groups and the permission was reseted to default on almost all wikis. Paladox is trying to restore all the settings as it used to be. Please see this phab task for updates.
    If you are in a hurry, you may ask our local bureaucrats to restore the permissions manually on administrators' noticeboard.--開拓者 (The Pioneer) (talk/contribs | global🌎) 12:07, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
    I've restored the translator group manually. -- Void Whispers 15:16, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

    Underage users

    How do you deal with underage users? Fungster My talk | My contributions | FMF Meta | CA 13:07, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

    This's under Privacy Policy at section number 8 guideline, any parents or guardians should aware their children underage activities on the Services, could via through from the email at "staff@miraheze.org", and their children information will be immediately remove on sight. SA 13 Bro (talk) 16:57, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
    If the real question concerns users behaving immaturely, then my answer is that your wiki should include (1) a clear statement of its purpose and how to make valid contributions to that purpose, (2) communication with problem users, beginning by "assuming good faith" but proceeding to warnings if necessary, and (3) having your wiki's Admins use their power to block disruptive users. Setting the duration of the block using public rules avoids the impression that any penalty was personal.
    There is another layer; Miraheze Stewards block other nuisances such as spambots before they reach your wiki. Spıke (talk)17:09 26-May-2019
    Will you block the underage users? 61.244.97.142 22:58, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
    There's no policy to block a user just because s/he is underaged. So, in principle, no. However, it could happen that some users that are blocked later turn out to be underaged (by perhaps their own disclosure).--開拓者 (The Pioneer) (talk/contribs | global🌎) 10:53, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
    Good. --Fungster My talk | My contributions | FMF Meta | CA 12:17, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
    Under the Terms of Use, users must be at least 13 years old. John (talk) 15:20, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
    Uh, it's not written here (at least, my text search showed me 0 results on "13", "year", and "age" (as a single word)).--開拓者 (The Pioneer) (talk/contribs | global🌎) 15:34, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
    Terms_of_Use#3._Privacy -> Privacy_Policy#8._Children John (talk) 15:47, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
    All right, but it's not a clear ban. It's just that you will remove PI of them if you discover they are underaged (though it's likely they will be locked in such cases). In addition, there may be cases that parents don't care about giving you PIs of their underaged children. In such cases, no one will report and no one cares whether they are underaged (do they?).--開拓者 (The Pioneer) (talk/contribs | global🌎) 16:10, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
    "and does not collect personally identifiable information" - Miraheze does not and will not (even with parental consent) collect data about children under the age of 13. If we discover users under the age of 13, Miraheze will Terms of Use ban the users until the point that they are over the age of 13. Parents may or may not consent but as a project, we do not respect or request the consent to handle the data as we have agreed to reject handling of the data. John (talk) 16:34, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
    OK, sounds fair enough. Thanks for your explanation.--開拓者 (The Pioneer) (talk/contribs | global🌎) 00:16, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
    P.S. But if we find such cases, how should we deal with them, and what should they do?
    1. Will it be valid to handle an account if they claim to be under 13 on wiki? (even though it's possible they pretend as if so and are in fact 13 or older)
    2. Should we lock them (and should we delete the account)?
    3. Should the user create a new account after s/he reached 13 (or should they request for unlocking their old account)?
    --開拓者 (The Pioneer) (talk/contribs | global🌎) 00:23, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
    Refer all cases of ToU or suspected violations to staff(at)miraheze.org, do not handle them unless instructed to do so by a sysadmin (and when you do, mention their name - and by "handle", we mean enforce the ToU in a way that you judge a violation and then make it clear it's for a ToU violation - if they've spammed or something then do your usual duty and then email staff). For the last case, new account as we would have to remove the email address and all types of potential identification. They can request a usurp which can be handled by a steward within reason if you inform a sysadmin either before or after doing so. John (talk) 00:51, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
    Clear enough. Thanks for your detailed explanation.--開拓者 (The Pioneer) (talk/contribs | global🌎) 00:58, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
    It is not complete. That means that underage users can still edit on this wiki, with parent supervision, and still not reveal their age. Fungster My talk | My contributions | FMF Meta | CA 07:50, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
    Like every case of this in the world like under 13s using Facebook, Twitter, etc. once they are discovered their accounts are banned. John (talk) 08:03, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

    Commons Wiki renamed from commonswiki.miraheze.org to commons.miraheze.org

    Hi all, i just wanted to announce we have renamed commonswikiwiki to commonswiki (making the domain https://commons.miraheze.org now). This is done to resolve https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T4335 Paladox (talk) 19:54, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

    Thanks, but considering that some users may have used external links or the interwiki form commonswiki to the wiki on their wikis, I think the old subdomain should be kept as a redirect as well. Is it possible?--開拓者 (The Pioneer) (talk/contribs | global🌎) 00:14, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
    Hi, yes. Done here e757928d6785ddfa500adc03d2a5a4aa5a205722 Paladox (talk) 00:35, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
    Uh, it actually doesn't work -> commonswiki, Main Page.--開拓者 (The Pioneer) (talk/contribs | global🌎) 00:37, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
    Puppet had not ran at the time you tested (puppet runs every 10 minutes e.g :00, :10, :20 etc). Paladox (talk) 00:42, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
    Thanks for telling. Yeah, now it works fine :)--開拓者 (The Pioneer) (talk/contribs | global🌎) 00:47, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

    How do you make users admins on your wiki?

    I want to add some admins on my wiki but I don't know how to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pacsonic9000 (talk • contribs)

    Here are some ways.
    1. Go to the target user's userpage, and you can find the "Change user groups" button in the "Tools" section on the sidebar. Click it, and check/uncheck the permissions you want to give/take.
    2. Simply type https://SUBDOMAIN.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:UserRights/USERNAME (SUBDOMAIN should be replaced with the subdomain of your wiki and USERNAME with the target user's username), and check/uncheck the permissions you want to give/take.
    --開拓者 (The Pioneer) (talk/contribs | global🌎) 02:00, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
    @Pacsonic9000: Which of your Wikis that are you indicated? If you are the local bureaucrat, you have the ability to add it by your own self as mentioned at above. SA 13 Bro (talk) 10:39, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

    Special:ManageWiki* pages are being retired

    Hi everyone,

    Just an informal notice to all that in a few days (likely the 3rd of June), I intend to merge changes into production (not yet done but will post a link when they are in code) to resolve T4409. The task is about retiring all the different variants of Special:ManageWiki into a single use page to reduce code footprint, increase usability and make future more complicated workflows easier to handle. Summary of essential changes will be:

    • Special:ManageWiki will remain as it is.
    • Special:ManageWikiExtensions will redirect to Special:ManageWiki/extensions
    • Special:ManageWikiSettings will redirect to Special:ManageWiki/settings
    • Special:ManageWikiPermissions{/$group} will redirect to Special:ManageWiki/permissions{/$group}
    • Special:ManageWikiNamespaces{/$namespace} will redirect to Special:ManageWiki/namespaces{/$namespace}

    Only a wiki's main settings (those displayed on Special:ManageWiki) will be manageable on metawiki. Management of extensions and settings will follow permissions and namespaces and only be manageable on the wiki themselves. This is to increase local logging, clean up metawiki's logs, reduce change footprint and reduce code complexity.

    The community is reminded about the existence of Wiki managers, a permission which no longer will work on metawiki and will be removed when the code is deployed. The community should make arrangements it deems fit before the date of June 3rd - I will happily delay deployment to allow proceedings to be closed formally by either someone else or myself, but will not delay deployment to keep the current system in place.

    Thanks, John (talk) 02:57, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

    This change is now live. John (talk) 23:29, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

    Number of articles

    I recently imported content from another wiki. Now, my wiki says {{NUMBEROFPAGES}} is 2,964 (an accurate number, I assume), but {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} is 1. What is wrong here? Do the pages not qualify as articles? Is there a problem with the code? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc (talk) 22:18, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

    And one more question: is it possible to add (or at least request) new interwiki links for a specific wiki? I can't find any information about it. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc (talk) 22:41, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
    Gfdgsgxgzgdrc About your second question. I can help you with the interwikis which ones do you want to add? Hispano76 (talk) 23:15, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
    Here are all the interwiki links from the old wiki that the content was imported from (alphabetically):
    Prefix URL
    archive http://fanstuff2.referata.com/$1
    forum https://hrfwiki2.freeforums.net/$1
    hrfanon http://hrfanon.referata.com/wiki/$1
    hrwiki http://hrwiki.org/wiki/$1
    hsr https://www.homestarrunner.com/$1
    instagram https://www.instagram.com/$1
    oldforum http://s13.zetaboards.com/HR_Fanstuff_Wiki_2/$1
    scratch https://scratch.mit.edu/$1
    store https://homestore-runner.myshopify.com/$1
    twitter https://www.twitter.com/$1
    wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/$1
    youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=$1
    If you could add those to the new one, that would be great. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc (talk) 23:25, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
    When are you planning to do this? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc (talk) 19:15, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
    Gfdgsgxgzgdrc Already added except:
    zetaboards, redirect me to another website have you changed your web domain or have you no relation/interest with your wiki?
    homestore-runner, It is not possible for me to access this website and therefore I will not add it for not being able to verify it.
    Greetings Hispano76 (talk) 21:08, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
    Hello, i've changed wgArticleCountMethod to 'any' from the previous default of 'link' for your wiki. This has bumped the count to 1,317 now! See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Article_count . Paladox (talk) 21:29, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
    Hispano76— For Zetaboards, yes, the URL has changed recently. But keep the interwiki URL the same as what I have listed, or else it'll mess up the existing links on the wiki. As for Homestore-Runner, I can access it just fine through that link. But it's not essential, so you don't necessarily have to do that one.
    Paladox— Thanks a lot! Gfdgsgxgzgdrc (talk) 01:27, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
    I'm so sorry for bothering you so much, but I made a mistake earlier. Could you make it so that the "archive" interwiki link goes to http://fanstuff2.referata.com/wiki/$1 instead of http://fanstuff2.referata.com/$1? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc (talk) 01:26, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
    Hello? (Again, sorry for taking so much of your time.) Gfdgsgxgzgdrc (talk) 23:41, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
    Hello, I’ve fixed the link now. Paladox (talk) 03:39, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
    Thank you so much! Gfdgsgxgzgdrc (talk) 03:54, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

    Is Miraheze politically correct?

    As I have read in the terms of use, you must comply with the laws of California and the Netherlands, in addition to not promoting hate speech. However, there are some doubts I have about it. When I was in Wikia, they forced me to be politically correct (for example: you can't criticize the LGBT community, even if it is a constructive and polite criticism; you can't written the n-word or you will be banned, even if it's for explanatory reasons). The rules of Miraheze indicate that this wiki network is neutral, so I would like to know what is forbidden to do with specific topics:

    1. Talk about feminism: Write an article explaining how this issue is related to the topic of a certain wiki. Mention in what way it affects positively or negatively. This article will be written formally and politely.
      1. Same as above, but with other sensitive topics such as:
        1. LGBT community and movement.
        2. Left-wing and right-wing ideologies and their derivatives.
        3. Some taboos like: pedophilia, zoophilia and other rare fetishism (these articles will be written modestly and sensitive/offensive images will not be used) .
        4. Some religions like: Christianity, Islam, Judaism (the most sensitive), Buddhism.
        5. Some taboo practices such as: cannibalism, abortion.
        6. Is there a topic that we should not touch?
    2. Moderation of comments: As the size of a wiki increases, the comments received may be so many that some may escape the reach of moderators or administrators. It is possible that comments appear with malicious intentions.
      1. For example, I received a comment from someone who used the "soft" version of the n-word, is not there any problem with that?: https://giantess.miraheze.org/wiki/Ochiko_Terada#comment-17
    3. What happens if the n-word is written? Is there automatic banning or not? Is it forbidden to do it or not?
      1. Are there words that are forbidden to write?

    Obviously, if someone is going to touch on some topics, he/she will be done for informative reasons, and he/she gets to show negative aspects of these topics (something like the critical vision of a certain community), he/she will be for informational reasons and not to promote hatred . Example:

    • Informational text (omniscient narrator): "The Minecraft community hates the Fortnite community, due to the following reasons: ..."
    • Hate Speech (protagonist narrator): "We, the Minecraft community, must abhor and attack the Fortnite community for the following reasons: ..."

    I know that this subject could bother some, but I need to get rid of doubts before I make a mistake. It's better to prevent. Thanks. --PaladinDeGigantas (talk) 02:57, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

    FYI: Code of Conduct and Content Policy. — revi 09:03, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
    Also look at the similar past discussion at Talk:Terms of Use#About disturbing content. — revi 09:06, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
    While its not policy (or worded like such), I would recommend keeping wiki content unoffensive, polite, and respectful for all parties. Zppix (Meta | CVT Member | talk to me) 14:25, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
    Under Terms_of_Use#8._Access_Restrictions, Miraheze staff and stewards have the authority to ban a disruptive user due to harassment other users on any Wikis. Email contact "staff(at)miraheze.org" in privately, if the case are sensitive. SA 13 Bro (talk) 23:08, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
    This is not clear. I have a proposal to have a RFC about changes to the Terms of Use. Fungster My talk | My contributions | FMF Meta | CA 06:14, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
    Just a note that a RfC would only be advisory to Miraheze staff on a matter such as ToU and a RfC can not bring change without the authority of a staff member approving them through internal mechanisms. John (talk) 18:10, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
    Wikia has a policy to ban underage users immediately after the underage users are discovered to be underage. That's also one of the reasons some wikis from Wikia moved to Miraheze since it has no ads and friendly staff who will not deal with underage users. -- Fungster My talk | My contributions | FMF Meta | CA 00:25, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
    We don’t elect to ban underage users, we’re legally obligated to under the same laws as Wikia. John (talk) 01:01, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
    I am not a active user on Fandom. But I am pretty sure that Wikia TOU also have the event ban policy for those users who are under 13 years old, until their age have reach at 13. SA 13 Bro (talk) 19:48, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
    Both Wikia and Miraheze falls under US jurisdiction (as the financial stuff is handled in the US, and we have server in the US), and under the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA), both are required to get a consent. It is too complex to comply with such requirement (See the Compliance section), so if you don't treat Private Information of people under 13 (Of course Miraheze might be trating people under 13 unknowingly, but the point of COPPA is "Knowingly".), you don't have to deal with the complex business. — revi 01:34, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
    Miraheze, Wikia and the Wikimedia Foundation might be treating people under 13 unknowingly, based on evidence when I was on Wikia. Some of the users who are underage have already been blocked until they turn 13. Miraheze however, is not an organisation, so the COPPA law might not be applied to this wiki. Fungster (contribs - email - CA) 16:54, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

    How to edit my local interwiki table?

    I want to add several other wikis to Special:interwiki in my wiki on miraheze,but Here I can't directly edit database as my own Mediawiki site,What should I do?Logojackmowo (talk) 02:23, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

    Just post here what links you want and an interwiki admin or steward will add them after verifying that they are not malicious. Bonnedav (talk) 03:02, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

    A little doubt...

    • Dude, it's possible to rename users in Miraheze wikis?
    • It's possible to check the user's logs/registers (CheckUser)?

    -Haizaki (talk) 05:28, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

    You need to ask a steward or staff member RhinosF1 (talk) 13:58, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

    How do you become an administrator? Please give me the admin right on the Meta:Requests for permissions page. Mohamed Saed 16:22, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

    I already asked a steward to request to block you if you keep requesting rights Fungster My talk | My contributions | FMF Meta | CA 03:46, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
    Hey, that's not nice. Mar9122 (talk) 04:30, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
    Thank you for telling Fungster, Mar9122! Mohamed Saed 14:59, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
    You're welcome. I just can't stand trolls and bigotry. Mar9122 (talk) 17:26, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
    I'd like to clarify that hat collecting is frowned upon, and repeatedly asking for a right without doing anything to deserve it will simply make it more unlikely to receive it. Reception123 (talk) (C) 17:32, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

    Anyway, thank you for your help.Haizaki (talk) 00:01, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

    @Reception123: May you please make a policy about user rights that is about that user who always requests rights will not receive said rights per https://hypotheticalhurricanes.fandom.com/wiki/HHW:POLICY Fungster (contribs - email - CA) 09:27, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

    Need help making a template...

    Do you how to make a Collapse Template? It's would nice if you either help me or even tell me how to. I tried to make one, but it failed. Mar9122 (talk) 03:44, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

    You need to insert all the code on Wikipedia's MediaWiki:Common.css, make the template Navbox on your wiki, insert Module:Navbox, Module:Navbar and Module:Arguments and also Module:Color contrast and Module:Color contrast/colors if script errors arise. Fungster My talk | My contributions | FMF Meta | CA 09:55, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
    And? Mar9122 (talk) 12:51, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

    Copyright and fair use

    After reading some articles on Wikipedia I'm still confused about what "copyright" and "fair use" really mean in a wiki hosted by Miraheze, especially regarding media content. Let's say I want to take some screenshots from a popular tv series to embellish an article about that series, is it ok or not? What about gifs or small videos?--Wedhro (talk) 20:02, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

    @Wedhro: It is okay if the image, video, recording or the text is in the public domain. Fungster (contribs - email - CA) 09:24, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
    But I'm talking about Fair use, which is specifically about copyrighted content.--Wedhro (talk) 09:26, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

    Miraheze

    Miraheze is a big wiki hosting service. Do you have a company as this wiki “Miraheze, Inc.”? If you have it, than who is the Founder? Executive Director? Chair of the Board? May you also add emails like emergency(at)miraheze.org? Fungster (contribs - email - CA) 07:50, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

    We are currently not incorporated yet. Though we plan to file for non profit status in the future. Because we are not incorporated, we currently do not have a board yet. We currently do not offer a emergency(at) address as we cannot commit to such a thing. Though we have a staff(at) address, Also if you deem necessary, please notify relevant authorities in an emergency. Paladox (talk) 16:41, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

    While I understand the benefits of incorporation, I would say that given the current drama with the WMF vs. Wikipedia right now, that maybe perhaps we would reconsider being incorporated, especially since we do promote the "community driven" aspect.. Just my opinion. Amanda Catherine (talk) 22:19, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

    Legal protection of ourselves is the upmost priority and is the main driver of incorporation. John (talk) 22:43, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
    What do you mean by "legal protection"? Being incorporated isn't going to make you more immune to lawsuits or make people less likely to file them. What I'm concerned about is establishing a gap between the community, of which currently the stewards and more or less the sysadmins are considered to be members, and the "powers that be" namely paid employees with some authority over the community. While Miraheze is a large service and is ever growing, I'd be afraid that the service wouldn't survive if we ever had something like the current WMF vs. Wikipedia drama unfold here. Besides, I wouldn't want to see Miraheze adopt some of the policies that the WMF has, many of which are contributors to the current drama, such as the Foundation's supposed right to impose global bans that are not appealable to anybody except Jimbo, without discussion and without stating the reason for said bans.
    TL;DR I don't want to see Miraheze become something like the WMF where there is a disconnect between the Foundation or the Board and the community. The way it is now where the "staff members" are also community members is the way it should be. Amanda Catherine (talk) 23:24, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
    You are correct incorporated isn't going to make Miraheze immune to law suits, but it means I can't be taken to court in the UK personally for my actions in the capacity I take as a system administrator - as I am then no longer personally legally responsible for my actions on behalf of Miraheze - but while currently I am 100% possible. Further, it protects Miraheze against local law enforcement. An example would be if the UK police give a warrant for me to release information Miraheze stores - I have to hand it over. If not, I can be arrested. While if Miraheze is an organisation, the warrant has to be made out to Miraheze and can't be made out to myself. Miraheze is not in a position to hire staff - therefore we will always be "community members". Though of course, nothing stops us requesting help from non-community members as has happened in the past. Some people like Paladox came direct, they weren't selected from the community we had already. John (talk) 01:37, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
    So where is the "company" "Miraheze, Inc." founded? In the Netherlands or in California? If you did have a Board, who will it contain? Where is the headquarters? Fungster (contribs - email - CA) 23:52, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
    It is founded no where. When it is, it will be in the US. The board will likely contain existing staff members within reason and otherwise. The registered offices will be up to Labster but likely his premises or a property he owns/runs/control unrelated to Miraheze. John (talk) 01:37, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
    If the headquarter building does exist, you might want to create a page called Miraheze Office. Fungster (contribs - email - CA) 03:41, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
    Miraheze wiki hosting server have 2 co-founders, which is John and Southparkfan, I think this may let them for decision whether to build the Miraheze Office in the future. What was Amanda Catherine have mentioned at above are completely right, Wikipedia are currently having drama, I also don't want to see Miraheze wiki one day become like WMF. SA 13 Bro (talk) 10:31, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
    We definitely need to build this Miraheze Office to make the service grow bigger Fungster (contribs - email - CA) 12:11, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
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