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Travel guides Wiki golf

If you like simple travel topics, or golf ask me to the wikis. Ty. Sperosdurell (talk) 23:16, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

@Sperosdurell:A link to your wiki would be helpful, greetings --LilyLilyu - smile.svg talk and I will listen Β· Lilypond Wiki 07:54, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
https://setg.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page here you go 😊 Sperosdurell (talk) 10:20, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
Thank you. You can abbreviate the link [[mh:setg:Main Page|Main Page]] Main Page greetings --LilyLilyu - smile.svg talk and I will listen Β· Lilypond Wiki 17:29, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
The wiki needs support. Yaq1121 (talk) 18:22, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
What kind of support? Iron Sword 23 (talk) 19:44, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
Anytime would be much appreciated. Yaq1121 (talk) 20:43, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
Anything. Yaq1121 (talk) 20:43, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Any possibility to get page view statistics or analytics without Matomo?

We want to have some basic statistics of our page views (ideally as available as time series aggregated daily) to see if and how usage changes after specific actions of advertising our Wiki. Aggregated data without user tracking is totally sufficient.

Our initial idea was to integrate it with our Google Analytics using the Google Analytics Integration or the [HeadScript], which seems deprecated by Miraheze as discussed here because of privacy concerns.

Using this alternative Matomo and MatomoAnalytics seems overkill, as we are already using Google Analytics for the remainder of the pages.

This overview produced by the Special:Analytics of the plugin is not enough, as the aggregation is quite coarse and would require some hacky script to scrape off daily to get daily usage.

However, it seems, that generally the Wikimedia API provides the capability to get pageviews, as documented here:

However, it seems not available in our installation, as this query

https://wiki.climatechange.ai/w/api.php?action=query&format=json&prop=pageviews&titles=Welcome_to_the_Climate_Change_AI_Wiki

Returns: Unrecognized value for parameter "prop": pageviews

Similarly, the REST API here offers the metrics of pageviews, which is not available for our wiki:

What is the best approach for our installation?

Can the Miraheze admins activate the pageviews in the API or are we bound to using Matomo? Didn't find anything in the Special:ManageWiki to do it myself. MarcusV (talk) 12:57, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

This request should be made in Phabricator. Thanks, β€”Bukkit 17:18, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
Thank. Yes, wasn't sure. Sounded like something that may be a general thing. Thanks, I raised it with #T7512 MarcusV (talk) 20:10, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
Generally, yes most posts should be made in the CN, but technical stuff (unconfigurable) should be a task on Phab. β€”Bukkit 21:22, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
Bukkit I'm actually not seeing as how this would be appropriate for a Phabricator task. MarcusV asked for possible alternatives, excluding Google Analytics which is unavailable for obvious privacy reasons, for analytics for their wiki, something that is in between the Matomo Analytics extension on Miraheze and the Matomo extension. Dmehus (talk) 01:36, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Namespace default link prefix

Quoted from https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Namespace_manager

Default link prefix.

Links from this namespace to other pages which do not have a prefix will be treated as if they were prefixed with this text. For example, if this was set to "User", a link in the given namespace [[Dogmaster3000]] would be rendered as if it was written [[User:Dogmaster3000|Dogmaster3000]]. The most common use for this is namespace-internal linking. For example, it could be assumed that any unprefixed link in the "Cookbook" namespace points to another recipe, rather than a page in the Main Namespace. 

How can enable this feature on my newly defined namespace on my miraheze instance? I did create a new namespace, but it keeps linking to the main namespace, instead of namespace-internal linking. Altilunium (talk) 01:49, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Altilunium, ordinarily, if it can't be done in ManageWiki, usually LocalSettings.php; however, in this case, as ManageWiki controls our namespace configuration on Miraheze, it might be difficult / not possible without migrating to ManageWiki. What are you trying to do, though? Dmehus (talk) 01:52, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
I'm looking for easier way to do namespace-internal linking. We at the Bluepages community have a discussion regarding how to split the project for each country. The consensus is : split this wiki to several "sub-wiki" by using namespace. Altilunium (talk) 02:06, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Close my account

Hello, please close my account on Miraheze, because I am no longer interested in Miraheze. Thanks. SobySobea (talk) 06:21, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

SobySobea We can't close or delete accounts, but we can either (a) vanish your account (which can be recovered later and which is handled by Stewards) or (b) anonymize your account (which can't be recovered and which is handled by Trust and Safety). If you prefer the latter, please e-mail ts(at)miraheze.org. Thank you. Dmehus (talk) 06:40, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
SobySobea You should not have engaged in vandalism on Meta Wiki and Loginwiki. Nevertheless, I'm willing to assume good faith here that this was a temporary, very ill-advised spate of vandalism owing to the fact that your self-requested lock had not been put into place. The fact is, though, it was not put into place because we were awaiting clarification on whether you meant for your account merely to be locked by Stewards (can be unlocked later) or anonymized by Trust and Safety (cannot be recovered later). Nevertheless, I will relock your account as a self-requested Steward lock. Should you wish to later anonymize your account later, you may e-mail Trust and Safety at ts(at)miraheze.org. Additionally, please consider this your firm warning that vandalism is not tolerated, and you should've instead checked your Echo notifications (red bell) for my {{ping}} to you. Thank you. Dmehus (talk) 14:43, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

A countdown clock.

Is there a way to create a repeatable countdown timer that could help me count down repeatedly when a Trophy Season in Brawl Stars is ending and then countdown again for the new season? Song NgΖ° MGR (talk) 08:33, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Not sure about an animating countdown timer, but you can do something similar using ParserFunctions by subtracting dates after converting them into numerical values: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions
The result will be static however (at least won't update on the page without a refresh). SchizoidNightmares (talk) 19:39, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
You can also use Lua for this. For example, the English Wikipedia utilizes Module:Countdown. Other than that, if you want a live countdown timer, you would probably need to do a JS gadget. I could see about throwing one together for you if you'd like. -- Void Whispers 02:18, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Yeah I'd like to ;)
Actually I feel myself just a beginner on my little journey '_' Song NgΖ° MGR (talk) 03:34, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
@Void: So how would you do the way?
(I also notice that now you could subscribe to the thread that you are working on :D) Song NgΖ° MGR (talk) 02:06, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
Sorry if this not urgent, but... Uhh...
It's 10 days from the last comment that I placed here, Void.
So... uhhh... How would you do with the gadget? Song NgΖ° MGR (talk) 07:31, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
@Void: Good news, I found an extension called CountDownClock while looking for things for Moderation. Since the documentations said that it would create an dynamic countdown clock, I thinks I would thank you for helping me, but... Now u could rest. Song NgΖ° MGR (talk) 18:29, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Recent Changes Bot

How can I make my own Recent Changes bot to monitor my own Miraheze instance?

I get really anxious whether someone is posting inappropriate / illegal content to my Miraheze instance. So, I want to closely monitor all of my wiki's recent changes. #miraheze-feed is a good start, but I want to monitor my own wiki, not everyone's wiki. Altilunium (talk) 04:31, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@Altilunium: There is a special page for edits which are not created by your account, insert following e.g. in your userpage {{Special:Recentchanges|hidemyself=1|limit=15}} there are far less edits from others than you think believe me ;-) --LilyLilyu - smile.svg talk and I will listen Β· Lilypond Wiki 07:24, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
The main problem is : I want to set up a notification service, directly to my phone. So I don't have to manually, repeatedly check that page. That's why, IRC bot is pretty convenient to me. Regarding far less edits from others than you think, it's better safe than sorry. I have some pretty traumatic experience back then, regarding wiki's open-editing policy. I will ensure myself that this problem wont ever happened again. Altilunium (talk) 07:31, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
Altilunium Can you create a MirahezeBots Phabricator task, specifying the name of your registered IRC channel (can be in Miraheze namespace or not), the IRC network it's on (Libera.Chat is strongly preferred), your registered IRC nickname, and the like? The MirahezeBots team will try and get this set up shortly. Thank you. Dmehus (talk) 14:31, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
Dmehus Thank you. Altilunium (talk) 15:19, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
Altilunium No problem. :) Dmehus (talk) 15:42, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
There is a global recent changes tracker. Join #miraheze-cvt-feed on Libera or go to #cvt-feed on the Miraheze Discord. β€”MarioMario456 19:39, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, in this case, though, they're looking for a specific wiki RC feed, which we do set up. It's just done by the MirahezeBots team. You can see some examples of specific wiki RC feeds at #miraheze-feed-meta connect and #miraheze-feed-test connect. Dmehus (talk) 23:38, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
What Doug said, if you let us know what channel and what wikis then we can set it up. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)Β· accΒ· c - (     online) 12:59, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
You could just use the atom/rss version of your recent changes feed and setup a RSS reader on your phone to notify you of any non-own edits to your wiki. I don't think recent changes filters apply to RSS, but you can use a service like https://siftrss.com/ to exclude your own edits. This way, no commitment to maintain new infrastructure is required from the Miraheze team and you can monitors it from as many devices as you want. Here, this one should do the trick: https://siftrss.com/f/lN79WmRnAJW It shows all recent changes on your wiki except by user Altilunium.
If it is failing at this very moment, it's because Miraheze servers are having issues right now, it should work without error once the servers are fixed. 21x (talk) 10:59, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Welcoming bot

Hello! Are you interested on a welcoming bot? Angelo Pisani (talk) 16:15, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Angelo Pisani For Meta Wiki, or is this a general invitation to set one up on other wikis? If the former, I'm going to say definitely not, unfortunately, mainly because spam only accounts, LTA sockpuppet accounts, and throwaway vandalism only accounts are created automatically on Meta Wiki by the CentralAuth extension, so that would just add a huge amount of unneeded clutter, unfortunately. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 18:55, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Namespace numbers differ between import-ready XML and destination wiki; will it actually work?

One problem down, another one to go. (Original MW filing has received no replies yet, so I'm taking it over to here.)

Early this morning, the namespace system on my just-relaunched creative-venture wiki began anew with specs for "Documentation", assigned the number of 3000. On the old ByetHost site last October, I had namespace-allocation trouble that began with "Documentation", set as "050", falling back to "40"--and that's what I ended up with in the backup XML. Towards the end of our short-lived trial, I managed to fix things up under the intended "50"--but the damage had been done, lessons were learned, and the experiment faded away some time afterward.

Before I resume my import campaign, will the old doc pages still work with the new number regardless? As per usual, I am ensuring nothing goes wrong before I can move on with the rest of my setup. --Routhwick (talk) 03:00, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

@Routhwick: I've personally imported pages that have had different namespace ids on their original wiki onto Miraheze without a hitch. It shouldn't affect it at all. Agent Isai (talk) 03:23, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, echoing what Agent Isai said, I believe what matters, really, is the namespace names, not the ID numbers. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 03:54, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Turned on Preloader for my wiki--but how to configure or use it?

Because I'm not seeing any settings/pages for it, on ManageWiki or otherwise. (Problem #3 for this Miraheze newcomer, who successfully tested it with {{Template starter}} on his site's ByetHost precursor.)

Although Preloader is listed among the optional extensions, the only other reference to it on Meta is from back in January 2016, at Request features/Archive 3#Izanagi Online Wiki (Status: Partially done, on hold )--and it's not even there at the subdomain referred to. --Routhwick (talk) 07:15, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Adding Reception Wikis as a wiki category

I think that β€œReception Wiki” should be added as one of the wiki categories since Reception Wikis are extremely prevalent and common on Miraheze to the point where they have almost become synonymous with each other. Currently, the reception wikis are scattered throughout categories, though most of them are uncategorized. Also, there is a category called β€œSong Contest” which is probably exactly as it entails. The Reception Wikis are also the most active Miraheze wikis, so I think that they should be a separate category. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 18:12, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

I agree if the present system doesn't already classify them in a manner that makes identification more efficient. I would be curious to know just how many wikis are of this nature on Miraheze. SchizoidNightmares (talk) 20:38, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
Sorry for the late reply but the majority of the wikis in my CentralAuth are reception wikis. Many of them are abandoned and a lot of them are closed for inactivity. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 22:16, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
X mark.svg Pull request denied for the time being. β€”Bukkit 21:23, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Double CountDownClock in a single page?

Is this possible to have 2 {{#CountDownClock:}} parser function on an single page?

And if that so, how could I do the other one while the second one I placed disappear on the saved page? Song NgΖ° MGR (talk) 16:48, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

A question about private wikis

How do I make my wiki private but still readable by anyone. I know that most private wikis are not readable by anyone, but somehow Horrible TV Show Episodes Wiki and Marvelous TV Show Episodes Wiki are still readable despite being private. How would I make a wiki private but still readable, since I plan on making my wikis private so that they can't be adopted, but I still want people to be able to read them. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 18:54, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

So, those wikis are not readable by anyone. They're only readable by users in either the member or sysop local user groups (and stewards, Trust and Safety, and system administrators, of course). So, you basically make your wiki private, but then manually add users to either of the two groups using Special:UserRights on your wiki. You can even use Special:ManageWiki/settings to whitelist a Request access page on your wiki. Hope that helps. Note, though, that private wikis can be adopted by users in the member or sysop group, provided they were in those groups prior to the wiki being inactive and later closed per Dormancy Policy. Why are you trying to preclude users from adopting your wiki on a community-run, locally-controlled wiki farm, though? It seems counter to the very ethos of Miraheze, if you ask me. :) Dmehus (talk) 18:59, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
Well the thing is I want to keep my wikis. Even though I would like people to contribute, I do not want people to think I don’t care about my wikis because I do care about them, I just want to keep my adminship. I also want to prevent my wikis from falling into the wrong hands. It seems like nobody wants to contribute to my wikis anyway. I have other things to do than constantly be updating my wikis all the time. I really wish there were no restrictions on dormancy policy exemption. The problem is that if I abandon my wikis, they end up getting closed. And if someone adopts them, then they are no longer my wikis. And if they fall into the wrong hands it could be disastrous. Also, there really isn't any point in sysops adopting a wiki if they already have sysop privileges. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 19:05, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
Well, you can establish rules on your wiki governing how users are desysopped. If the removals are later done in contravention of those rules, the rights can, and have, in the past, been re-added by Stewards. Dmehus (talk) 19:08, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
Ok. I do already have a sitenotice on two of the three wikis saying that the wikis are not up for adoption since I will most likely continue to work on them at some point. Right now though I have to help out with the rest of the Qualitipedia rebrand and also my idea about neutral Qualitipedia wikis which I posted on the talk page of Greatest Movies Wiki, which can be done after the current phase of the rebrand (redesigning the main pages of Delightful Music & Songs Wiki and Magnificent Literature Wiki, adopting Horrible Music & Songs Wiki and redesigning that wiki, and renaming the URLs of Terrible Shows & Episodes Wiki, Best Shows & Episodes Wiki, Incredible Characters Wiki, Dreadful Literature Wiki, and Magnificent Literature wiki so that their URLs match their proper names). So there is a lot of work to be done. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 20:49, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
Horrible/Marvelous TV Show Episodes Wikis can be read despite being private, because I set it so that registered users can read it. It is impossible to change unregistered users' read permissions on a private wiki. β€”MarioMario456 18:45, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Kawipedia

Hello, can anyone help me fix this page on my wiki, kawipedia. Mazzaz (talk) 16:04, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

I need to change the content model then only it works. ~ Mazzaz (talk) 03:17, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
@Mazzaz: Could you elaborate on your request to make sure we understood everything? Thank you! Agent Isai (talk) 06:10, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
Agent Isai, css pages like this and others appear as they are simple wikitext pages which they shouldn't. I need to change the content model of every css page into sanitized css then only they work. ~ Mazzaz (talk) 06:56, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
@Mazzaz: Personally, I've had success in copying the contents of a page that's incorrectly formatted as wikitext, deleting the page, and recreating the page and pasting the text back to the article. After doing so, CodeEditor is typically triggered and it santizies the CSS. I know that you can manually trigger CodeEditor into sanitizing the CSS but frankly, I haven't been able to, so that's my little anecdote. Agent Isai (talk) 14:58, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
@Mazzaz: I often see that admins import templates from commons or other wikis without understanding what they are doing, honestly, I don't either. I see in the template's error messages several missing extensions, greetings --LilyLilyu - smile.svg talk and I will listen Β· Lilypond Wiki 06:50, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Question about importing pages from Wikipedia:

If I was to import templates onto some of my wikis, what would I have to do in order to not get an error? DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 19:47, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

@DarkMatterMan4500: As you probably may know, you have to import all templates and modules referenced by the template. What I've seen some do is Special:Export the template they want and also click on "Include templates" on Special:Export and then import the xml dump to their wiki. This also sometimes includes extra templates so be careful. Agent Isai (talk) 20:28, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
@Agent Isai: But the question is, how would I do that? DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 22:50, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Question about auto given roles and overall permissions

Hello, I have a question about the user permission management Miraheze uses. Can the "Member" role only be given or is it automatically given to someone that actively is on my wiki? Because I would prefer it if only I or someone with "give role" permission can give someone that role since I wanna use it for who can creator or edit pages that aren't protected.

I don't want literally every user being able to edit or create pages or being able to do it after getting the "Autoconfirmed Users" role. Smashidachi (talk) 12:18, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

The member group is only, typically, added to private wikis, and it includes only the (read) user right by default. You can assign it to anyone, typically, who requests access to your private wiki, and you can even whitelist said page for requesting access in Special:ManageWiki/settings, so non-members can can request access to view on-wiki. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 12:28, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
oh alright. Yes that pretty much answered my question thank you ^^ Smashidachi (talk) 12:35, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
No problem. Happy to have helped! :) Dmehus (talk) 12:36, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

I've made a mistake!

I have made a mistake. I was trying to translate Asking questions correctly to Urdu but somehow the language wasn't switched and I wrote Urdu translations in the French version here. I am sorry for errors caused. What should be done now? Can any user who knows French, fix it. ~ Mazzaz (talk) 06:54, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@Mazzaz: Don't worry, I manually reverted the changes, and imported the text you translated to the Urdu version. It's a mistake, don't sweat about it! Agent Isai (talk) 06:56, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
I saw you fixing the page just after I posted the above message here. I would say: thanks for correcting that error. ~ Mazzaz (talk) 07:01, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Wiki backups cannot be imported

Good night, fine folks at Miraheze. (Just [re-]opened my wiki this afternoon.)

On the new version of my creative-venture wiki, I've begun the task of transferring what got saved from an earlier phase of its development at ByetHost (from October 2020). Minutes ago, I chose a backup XML to test it on and left everything alone, but after selecting "Upload file", an error message appeared:

Import failed: No interwiki prefix was supplied

From here, what else to do? (Not helped by the fact that the original Byet link expired some time ago, because funds weren't forthcoming--so there's no reference link to go by otherwise.) --Routhwick (talk) 03:20, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

@Routhwick: Under the file selector on Special:Import, there is a field that reads "Interwiki prefix" which is used to correctly attribute edits to users, it creates a link to the wiki that the pages were exported from. You can enter any value in there (e.g. oldwiki, or the name of your wiki) which will cause the history page to list previous contributors as "oldwiki>User" (unless the user locally exists on the wiki, in which case you can select "Assign edits to local users" which will automatically fix that and link to an actual user). Adding an interwiki prefix should resolve your error, you can just enter whatever if you want to. The "oldwiki>User" link will not be clickable unless you ask an interwiki administrator to add an interwiki link to your wiki which will make the link clickable. Agent Isai (talk) 05:47, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
Put in "byethost" as the prefix, ticked the "Assign edits" box...and it worked like a charm. Thanks for the help! --Routhwick (talk) 06:16, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
Routhwick Did byethost exist in your wiki's local Special:Interwiki table? If not, you will not have Special:Contributions links to the source wiki and edits may not be locally assigned where the same user exists locally. That being said, this should be able to be resolved after the fact by requesting an interwiki administrator or steward to add a local interwiki prefix for you. I'd just need the source wiki URL. Thank you. Dmehus (talk) 15:23, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
No. (byethost refers to constantnoble.byethost7.com, now already gone as already hinted at; only the backups remain.)
Speaking of interwiki linkage...there are a few others I would soon like to add. Among them: foundation for foundation.wikimedia.org, as found in the import for Project:MediaWiki. --Routhwick (talk) 15:33, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
Routhwick Ah, okay, that makes sense. Thanks for clarifying! Regarding the foundation interwiki prefix, we have wikimedia in the global interwiki table on Meta. Will that suffice? If you prefer the foundation, let me know, and I can add it locally. Thank you. Dmehus (talk) 18:57, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
@Dmehus: Definitely! And while we're at it, feel free to add the traditional WMF shortcuts:
  • b (en.wikibooks.org/wiki/$1) (Wikibooks)
  • q (en.wikiquote.org/wiki/$1) (Wikiquote)
  • s (en.wikisource.org/wiki/$1) (Wikisource)
as well as:
  • mhm (meta.miraheze.org/wiki/$1) (this very site, which takes the m prefix here on this network--leading to...)
  • wmm (meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/$1) (Wikimedia Meta)
  • rdtr (reddit.com/r/$1) (Reddit subs)
  • rdtu (reddit.com/u/$1) (Reddit userpages)
Thanks! --Routhwick (talk) 22:30, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
Routhwick Sure thing, no problem! These are now Yes check.svg done. I've not enabled the transclude flags on any of them, as you (a) didn't request it and (b) in all but one case, the transclude flag was not set globally. Similarly, I've also not set the forward flag as you (a) didn't request it and (b) in most cases, it was also not set globally. You really only need the forward flag set if you want your users to be able to set up hard interwiki redirects (i.e., #REDIRECT [[rdtr:duckduckgo]], or you want certain bots (i.e., IRC or other bots) to follow your interwiki wikilinks. Also, you may be interested to know that you can request local interwiki-admin permission on your wiki, but it requires holding a local election somewhere on your wiki (i.e., a permissions request page of some sort). After between seven (7) calendar days or so, you then request at stewards' noticeboard for a Steward to assess your local permission request. Note that your account must also meet the local or global prerequisites, as defined here. Dmehus (talk) 22:56, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
@Dmehus: One more interwiki request for now: wmphab (phabricator.wikimedia.org/$1), different from Miraheze's. Thanks! --Routhwick (talk) 04:04, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
Routhwick Yes check.svg Done. Also, I like that you added custom fonts, weights, and sizes to the section header text on special pages like Special:Interwiki. Looks good! :) Dmehus (talk) 12:00, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
For which you can thank MediaWiki:Common.css on Miraheze Test3.
And, @Dmehus:
  • Just as I launched a new namespace on my wiki this morning, I just remembered an interwiki that'll go well along with it: species, short for species.wikimedia.org.
  • As for my {{Place box}}, voy (en.wikivoyage.org) wouldn't look out of place either.
With that, the IW requests of this contributor are ended--for now. --Routhwick (talk) 13:20, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
Routhwick Yes check.svg Done (#1 and #2). Dmehus (talk) 16:45, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
Thanks a dozen--and enjoy your 4th of July! --Routhwick (talk) 18:00, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
Routhwick Thanks, though for me, my "4th of July" equivalent is July 1, so today, in fact, but I will enjoy it. :) Dmehus (talk) 18:24, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
...Oops. Just remembered one more thing: species as an IW is ultimately in conflict with the local namespace that got there first, hence its red-linking when I tried it out. (I should've known hours ago!) I know, we all make mistakes sometimes, and I pretty much got carried away during this week's inaugural setup...
Anyway, can you please change the species IW into wspc (to match the template I just launched for it)? Dearest apologies. --Routhwick (talk) 18:52, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
Routhwick Ah, yes, that's a very good point. An interwiki prefix should not be in conflict with an existing namespace. Incidentally, that is the case on this wiki, with meta; however, deleting that prefix would break many links. Thus, in that case, my preference would probably be to change the name of project namespace to something other than "Meta," but that too would be a lot of work, as it'd mean updating all the backlinks to every page in the Project: namespace. Nevertheless, I digress, your request is now Yes check.svg done (#1 and #2). Note for the future, should you ever request and be granted local interwiki administrator on your wiki, while you can change an interwiki prefix's target URL or forward/transclude prefixes, you cannot change the prefix itself; you have to instead delete the prefix and add a new one (hence two log entries). Dmehus (talk) 19:40, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
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Yeah, definitely could be helpful down the road. Unfortunately, currently, Routhwick doesn't meet either the global (1,000 global edits and a minimum of two months account age) or local prerequisites (500 local edits and a minimum of two weeks account age). Note that by established convention of Stewards in terms of policy interpretation, one can qualify for local interwiki administrator if they meet the global edit and/or account age requirement(s) because, after all, it wouldn't make sense to prohibit a user from requesting local administrator if they qualify globally. I'm in the process of developing an omnibus interwiki administration RfC, but likely will be delayed to the early fall (early September, likely). Among other things, it would seek to lower the local edit requirement from 500 edits to 100 edits and also require that the user only hold at least sysop, but where they are not a bureaucrat, their local election must be first endorsed by a local bureaucrat prior to a Steward effecting it. Dmehus (talk) 16:22, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Blogs?

We could use blogs for wiki discovery, throwing it out there. Sperosdurell (talk) 15:39, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Face-smile.svg Love the idea, but I don’t feel like it’s needed. β€”Bukkit 21:32, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
Agree, but let's not completely rule it out. Maybe a admin should know about this. Iron Sword 23 (talk) 21:45, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
What is the function that proper use/advertising/improvement of the Gazetteer of wikis would not serve in its place? I do think there's a gap as far as 'timely' request for contribution to contents, or as far as advertising wikis that have an active desire to get new stuff now vs wikis that are technically active but stagnant in the aforementioned link. --Raidarr (talk) 22:33, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
Vote? Sperosdurell (talk) 18:24, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
No, not necessary. Dmehus (talk) 02:29, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
Okay, sorry. Sperosdurell (talk) 02:33, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
No problem. It's just a vague idea, not really clear on what the idea is. Dmehus (talk) 02:35, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Monobook Dark Mode without extension

Probably a little confusing question but pretty simple. I want to make Monobook dark mode on default so i can use stuff like lower opacity plus the extension reacts lowkey broken with the skin. I already tried multiple attempts like changing colors, manually putting in the code that the Dark Mode extension executes and more. Sadly no success the overall theme always stayed light/white. In case its impossible thats okay but i would like to know before i spend more and more hours into something that is impossible lol. Smashidachi (talk) 10:13, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

In this case a link may help so we see what you're attempting within the CSS and where. Manually setting colors may not be an elegant solution if you want it swappable, but there's no reason it can't apply to everyone unless you are doing it to a personal CSS only by accident or something is off when you're attempting it on the 'global' CSS for users. Either common.css or the skin specific CSS should work just fine, in both cases ensuring it's for the wiki as a whole (ie, not doing it within the preferences page). --Raidarr (talk) 13:51, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
I did it within the Common.css and later on switched to the Monobook.css so it doesn't do problems on other skins. I also don't really want it to be swappable. I can't share a link currently since my wiki is still on private for preparation but this is how Monobook.css is looking right now:
/* All CSS here will be loaded for users of the MonoBook skin */
body {
background-color: #00003f;
background-image: url("<link to a file on the wiki>");
background-repeat: no-repeat;
background-attachment: fixed;
background-position: top;
opacity: 0.95;
}
Originally i also had "color: #00003f" in it but it apparently had no effect. Oh also Common.css is holding the same Common.css as Miraheze's Template wiki not sure if that maybe is related? Smashidachi (talk) 14:16, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
I have pasted your CSS into a test user skin + the Common file and the background does what it should. Naturally however, the body alone cannot control most of the elements on the wiki. This is where my response forks:
  • If it's no response at all, ensure you are applying to MediaWiki:Common.css. Preview should show you something, something is wrong if you do not get immediate feedback.
  • If it's a piecemeal success then I'm afraid it's a game of element select whack-a-mole. I did use both body and #column-one to get a more complete background job. The opacity (not sure why it's on the very back of the page) causes weird background behavior.
Please advise as to where this leads; for posterity, CSS sections in plain text should probably go to a pastebin link or other 'linkable' object to avoid making this page too long with such things. Good luck! --Raidarr (talk) 10:44, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
Okay. I was honestly not aware that the preview button allows you to see the changes. I thought its like with articles where you just see how the end results of the text looks. Really would have made everything easier ^^". Smashidachi (talk) 11:12, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
Update: Yep, doing it with Previewing it works a lot better in fact. Thanks for informing about this I am still pretty new to this lol Smashidachi (talk) 11:21, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
Excellent; no trouble at all. Is it all working out, then? --Raidarr (talk) 12:41, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
More or less. It's fully working but obviously there are a few bugs. But clearly I was fully helped with my issue. Smashidachi (talk) 15:15, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Grand Theft Auto

Is there one? If not I can't request right now so requesting it for someone to create. Thanks. Sperosdurell (talk) 15:01, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Grand theft Auto wiki Sperosdurell (talk) 15:02, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
@Sperosdurell: From the looks of it, there is not, however, why can't you currently request one? Agent Isai (talk) 15:17, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
I already have requested tons... Sorry. Sperosdurell (talk) 15:21, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
@Sperosdurell: Really, there's no limit per se of wikis you can request, however, wiki creators will attempt to assess whether you can maintain all your wikis or not. Even if someone else creates it for you, you should determine whether you can maintain all your wikis. If you can, then I see no reason why you can't request another. Agent Isai (talk) 15:51, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
Well Doug might say different, I been blocked before under another username. Apologies. Sperosdurell (talk) 15:56, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
I have various wikis on Miraheze, some of them have even been approved by Doug himself. I think what really matters to the wiki creators is whether or not you can maintain the wiki. However, if you've previously been blocked under a different username, I suggest you appeal the block and try to get unbanned as making an additional account is considered ban evasion and could lead to a more severe ban. Agent Isai (talk) 16:54, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
I told Doug who I was. Sperosdurell (talk) 16:59, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
Agent Isai Yeah, I suspected Sperosdurell was Hrvcfr based on the overwhelming behavioural evidence, and they confirmed recently that they were indeed the same user. Fortunately, Hrvcfr's editing restriction on Meta Wiki had lapsed as they were improving. Sperosdurell has requested a number of recent wikis, including an adoption request, so while I'm still satisfied of their improvement, I would just remind them that it doesn't make sense to try and run and build, say, a dozen or more wikis with few edits on each as they will invariably wind up going dormant according to Dormancy Policy and to being eventually deleted. Dmehus (talk) 16:32, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
I'm sorry for not editing enough. Sperosdurell (talk) 11:25, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
If I may attempt constructive criticism, I think the problem is less 'not editing enough' so much as creating, lightly advertising, but not committing to a large handful of broadly-scoped wikis that already have editing audiences and scale outside Miraheze. Especially if you're going into already taken territory, it's prudent to come in with a plan. Anyone can be an editor, but a creator/bureaucrat (anyone can be that too of course) implies a level of vision for a wiki's growth beyond making a shell, a page or two and the rest just being dormant. A single editor cannot fully build a ton of wikis on their own, and at the very least looking at structure building would help give people a place to start if they happen upon the wiki but only see 1-2 pages made without more apparent thought into its growth. So perhaps focus on the ones you have, get someone on your team to help develop and design them, and ensure the wikis not just exist, but have a future. --Raidarr (talk) 12:34, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
Thank you, Raidarr. ^ to be honest. Sperosdurell, perhaps you may also want to review the similar advice I gave you at the user talk page of your former account. Dmehus (talk) 14:40, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Outlook.com email delivery

Hi all,

MediaWiki Engineering are aware of issues with the delivery of emails to outlook.com - If you are affected, please be patient. We will work on a solution soon to allow affected users to confirm manually or change their emails if we do not get anywhere with Outlook support or log searching.

In the meantime, please avoid creating accounts with outlook/hotmail/other Microsoft/office related service as we can not guarantee it will work.


Thanks  ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)Β· accΒ· c - (     online) 14:00, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

So this isn't really a new issue, but as far as I'm aware, has been resolved. Are you saying the issue has reoccurred, and that is the issue now? If so, what's the cause? As far as I know, Microsoft had whitelisted our domain on the given OVH IPs identified in spam blacklists. Dmehus (talk) 16:51, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
It's reoccurred. We're not showing as blocked and according to outlook so far they have no idea but I can send email fine if I reply to an existing thread just not new emails to outlook. Seems a very strange issue but so far very little indication on why. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)Β· accΒ· c - (     online) 16:56, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
Ah, thanks for the update. Is there a new Phabricator ticket opened, or have we reopened an existing ticket, that we can link here? Dmehus (talk) 17:36, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
phab:T7573 ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)Β· accΒ· c - (     online) 17:50, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
These issues are supposed to resolve within the next ~48 hours. I am still seeing them at the moment and I can't really see any useful stats from outlook in their portal. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)Β· accΒ· c - (     online) 11:47, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Donkey Hodie wiki

Contributing

Do I just wait for contributions? I have like 2 people but no new editing? Thanks. Sperosdurell (talk) 22:37, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Sperosdurell As I explained to you and (Iron Sword 23 also) previously, English Wikipedia fork wikis generally do not well because, well, they're a dime a dozen (that is to say, very plentiful). Plus, users can simply edit the more trafficked English Wikipedia, or they can request their own wiki. If you want to edit a wiki, you have to be prepared to edit your wiki as a solitary activity (that is to say, by yourself). Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 23:32, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
For posterity, there are two key ways you can develop contributions. One is advertising to the right people. Ie, both of my premises have audiences I can pitch to when I have the need for outside support in content. These are not Miraheze users and only a small fraction from each would ever edit, but a few is naturally better than 0. If you're serious about a project, have a few places like this on your shortlist that can be approached. Secondly, structure. Having a good volume of stuff to start with, even as a shell so people can drop in and work. This can include categories, a measured list of stub pages to 'give the idea' of a plan, an actual written out plan of action, and/or a subcommunity nexus (such as a Discord server) to informally build some comradery. I'm probably going to make a little essay on the subject since there's quite a lot more... then try to follow it myself with mixed success. --Raidarr (talk) 11:02, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you, again but... (I hope may this time be right)

Do you like Self-reference or It is basically x something = totally a bad idea? For instance: It is permitted under Creative Commons rights to develop and use/write materials concerning this particular Wiki, for Instance here like Mira... what was It? Miraheze(?), in some humorist context, when for "some" I for instance intend Self-reference, again? Thanks in advance because later is called "You are welcome!", yours.--Executive2 (talk) 17:59, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

If you just mean how the satire-like page you linked is written, I'm sure that would be fine. If it's in the spirit of the Content policy, Miraheze shouldn't mind if you poke fun or lend constructive criticism. --Raidarr (talk) 10:36, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
Thanks again, have a good Day/Night! (depending on your UTC) ;)--Executive2 (talk) 11:47, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Request to visit this wiki - 07/07/2021

Anyone to visit this wiki https://onibus.miraheze.org/ 'Bus Wiki', just go there or edit something there. We look forward to seeing you there! YellowFrogger (talk) 22:19, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

This wiki is in Portuegese --LilyLilyu - smile.svg talk and I will listen Β· Lilypond Wiki 06:55, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Help with spam

Hey, having issues with spam accounts being created who make a cookie-cutter user page and random article outside of the scope of the wiki on anglish wiki. Was wondering if a miraheze administrator could do something to block them and delete all of the articles. Thanks. TimeMaster (talk) 23:10, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

@TimeMaster: Indeed, the Anglish Wiki seems to be experiencing extensive spambot attacks, Stewards and Global Sysops have been alerted and will assist shortly. Thank you for reporting it. Agent Isai Talk to me! 00:12, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
@TimeMaster: In the meantime, while Stewards arrive and help, you should manually delete the articles and temporarily remove the "createpage" and "edit" permission from Users on Special:ManageWiki/permissions/User. Additionally, you may be able to thwart users from being created locally by removing the "createaccount" permission from the * group at Special:ManageWiki/permissions/*. Removing these permissions will not affect sysops or bureaucrats. Hope this helps! Agent Isai Talk to me! 04:47, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
TimeMaster Yes check.svg 52 spam page creations nuked on anglishwiki. I briefly checked all pages in your userspace and mainspace and believe everything that was spam has been removed. In addition to, or as an alternative to what Agent Isai mentioned, you might also prefer simply to remove the createaccount user right from the * user group on your wiki, particularly if most of your user creation log are spam only accounts. As a further alternative to either, you could also enable the Moderation extension and liberally grant the automoderated user group to human editors who are clearly not there to spam or attempt to spam. Hope that helps. :) Dmehus (talk) 21:23, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Potential upload failure

I am aware that it can take some time until the cache reloads the images. Yet I feel like something went wrong when I uploaded a new version of my wiki logo. The old logo appears stretched because the new one has other dimensions. While the new logo appears in the version history when I click on it it still shows the old logo. I am unsure if this has to do with the fact that I went over the usual 135x135 rule for logos. If needed I can provide a screenshot. Smashidachi (talk) 17:26, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, this is usually caused because of an outdated local cache. Try clearing your cache and trying again. Agent Isai Talk to me! 17:33, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
Clearing the cache doesn't seem to fix it. I also used a browser without any cache history and there it didn't work either. Smashidachi (talk) 17:38, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
Happens to me, you should just change the file name to something else β€”Bukkit 19:48, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
Sometimes, it's also the servers cache. Try visiting again in an hour or two. Agent Isai Talk to me! 19:51, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
I assume it is both. Because yeah changing the file name (or simply uploading the new logo as new file) worked. I assume something in the server cache got stucked or something. Smashidachi (talk) 20:51, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Need help with removing white rectangle

Hi,

Could you please help us remove this white rectangle using CSS or some other way (https://worldsanskrit.net)? It seems to be sticking out and i've tried many different things, but not able to remove it.

Thanks!

https://postimg.cc/rRMZZvxh Haritosh (talk) 17:38, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

@Haritosh:, hello there. I don't quite see the rectangle you mean. Has it been resolved? If not, please note the browser you use and I can check later more closely. --Raidarr (talk) 20:22, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
I still see it in the top left corner, just right of the space where the logo is. Seeing it on Firefox, Edge, Chrome as well as other browsers that use the Chromium engine. I have marked it over here => https://postimg.cc/rRMZZvxh
Haritosh (talk) 21:45, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
Found the issue. I raised it in the Miraheze discord, and the following code was suggested in response by a volunteer for CSS/JS. I'll use pastebin to give it - paste. I was informed that the 'background' code for #mw-panel should be removed as well. -- Raidarr (talk) 20:43, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

What is this source editor?

I got some problem while trying to edit the Brawl Pass page for my brawlstarsvi wiki. I could still see and edit as usual, but not the source editor.

PiscesMGR-diss-005.png

Pisces (talk) 05:43, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

I am able to access your source editor after a quick check, both directly and after switching to it from VE. I would suggest forcing reload and trying again, restarting your browser, and clearing your browser cache in that order to ensure your side is working normally. It may have been the wiki and/or your end getting confused temporarily. --Raidarr (talk) 12:51, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
Nope, it doesn't work. Actually, the editor make all the text and code blanked out. I could still change the content of the page, but not in the source editor.
I guess I would make a ticket in Phabricator. Pisces (talk) 13:29, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
@Pisces: I totally understand what you're facing and trust me, I've personally experienced it too. This could happen sometimes when you have an internet connection that is not too strong, because switching between both editors when already editing, sometimes, needs a good internet connection.
So you could try what Raidarr said above or better-still, get a strong connection and try.
When that didn't work then you can create a phab ticket.
Hope that helps. Ugochimobi (talk) 13:34, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
Nope, I got full-speed Wifi connection on my house so the problem with the internet speed was impossible.
So I would go with T7631 as my final solution. Thanks for your help, @Ugochimobi and Raidarr:, but it's time to find for sysadmin's help. Pisces (talk) 14:23, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
@Pisces: Your switching between VisualEditor and SourceEditor works absolutely well over here. I'm sure you should check your connection if the problem still persists. Ugochimobi (talk) 14:56, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
Once again, my connections was still good. I got my latest speed test from Ookla.
PiscesMGR-diss-006.png
Pisces (talk) 15:31, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
Of course that I need to hide few things for my privacy. Pisces (talk) 15:33, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
Then it would seem this is not a speed related issue, but it is likely still a local one. The next step is attempting another browser and seeing what that one does, ideally as different as possible (ie, firefox instead of chrome) to see if the behavior repeats. Local settings may have a factor to play, as well as plugins such as blockers. I'm afraid there is nothing a sysadmin can really do on their end since this appears to be an entirely local issue. -- Raidarr (talk) 20:35, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
In the meanwhile, while your issue is fixed: You can press the pen icon by the publish button to switch to the source editor or insert ?action=edit at the end of the URL of any page you're trying to edit. Agent Isai Talk to me! 16:34, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

My Logo is Zoomed In

Hey, so I just uploaded my new logo and switched out the default logo for the new one. The logo shows up fine on my bookmark list and in any tabs, but the corner logo on the actual wiki page is zoomed in. I figured that the problem might be because the image was too large, but even replacing the file with a significantly smaller version didn't change anything. Here's the wiki: https://charactercompendium.miraheze.org/wiki/Character_Compendium , and here's the file: https://charactercompendium.miraheze.org/wiki/File:CCLogo.png BenTable (talk) 03:31, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

I was also facing this problem on my wiki (kawipedia) but later I requested the wiki to be deleted! ~ Mazzaz (talk) 05:06, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
@BenTable: I hope you have fix your issues as When I visited, there was no such mentioned issue again and your wiki is also private. If you have further questions you could join us on Discord here. Thanks. Ugochimobi (talk) 20:20, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
I honestly didn't know how to respond when I saw this earlier, and looking now it appears to have been fixed since I did see the problem then. @BenTable: since this seems to have come up before, could you tell us how it was fixed if someone wonders in the future (assuming it was)? --Raidarr (talk) 20:42, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
Sorry for taking so long to respond. I saw that Smashidachi (two questions above mine) had a similar sort of problem with his logo, so I just did what he did and uploaded the image with a new name, and I also changed its size to 135 x 135px. I did try just replacing the original image with the smaller version, but that didn't work. Fortunately, uploading the image with the other name did.
Not sure why replacing the image didn't work, but I guess I need to keep that in mind. I didn't delete the original file, maybe that would've helped?
Hope that helps! :D BenTable (talk) 01:48, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Subdomain Question

Hello. I am currently an admin of the SideM Wiki, which lists information on the two SideM games (one is an ongoing mobile game, the other is a defunct mobile game. Both are gacha-style games and are/were updated weekly with new information). A new SideM game will come out in a few months. It is another gacha mobile game that updates weekly. We are having trouble planning how to document all three games information on the same wiki as the new game appears to operate with a rebooted timeline separate from the first two. Keep in mind that the original game, which started seven years ago, is still running. It would be very confusing to have all of the information on the same wiki, so we decided to create a new wiki specifically for the third game.

Now, what I'm planning to do is something like this:

1. Get a domain name (e.g. www.sidem.wiki)

2. Assign the first wiki to mbga.sidem.wiki

3. Assign the second wiki to gs.sidem.wiki

4. Assign the main domain name to a free Wordpress account/other site to act as a 'hub' page between the two wikis

Would this be possible? Clay (talk) 13:20, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Completely, although it's a little more technical than just throwing one wiki on one domain. But there's no reason you can't attach a wiki to a subdomain and do whatever you want with the main one. The custom domains instructions apply mostly the same way (note the part on subdomains, like wiki.example.com), you just have to be careful to point each wiki in the right place and remember to set up your SSL certificate to subdomains as well, as they typically don't do that automatically. --Raidarr (talk) 13:56, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
That's good to know, thank you! --Clay (talk) 00:56, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

A bit of a problem

I am having a bit of a problem. On Crappy Games Wiki, I suggested that the Qualitipedia wikis could have proposals. However, this suggestion was rejected, since the wiki would apparently get flooded with biased articles. However, on my side, consensus would be a more organized way to decide on issues rather than just polls. I suggested that at least regular proposals could be established, but it doesn't seem like they liked that idea either. However, this would help out a lot with decision making on the wikis. Dmehus himself said that he does not like that decisions on Qualitipedia are made by a small group of admins rather than the community (I don't remember where he said it). Also, there are currently three pages which I have brought up:

  • Prehibernation Week being on Terrible Shows & Episodes Wiki despite having mostly positive reception. Even though it does seem to be getting hate as Duchess pointed out, the episode seems very divisive.
  • The Lego Ninjago Movie being on Greatest Movies Wiki despite having mostly negative reception. Again, critical reception seems to be mixed on The Lego Ninjago Movie but I have seen it mostly being rated poorly.
  • The most problematic and controversial page on Qualitipedia is Encyclopedia SpongeBobia's page on Fresh Websites Wiki. First of all, despite Encyclopedia SpongeBobia showing a clear trend of going downhill since 2019, as there are a lot of off-topic blogs, the admins there hardly do their job, and nobody takes the wiki seriously, Duchess continues to insist that the wiki is good. The largest piece of evidence that shows how bad the wiki is is the responses to Duchess's proposal about moving the wiki to Miraheze. The responses were basically users blindly defending FANDOM and making fun of Miraheze, with one user even calling Miraheze a "Wikipedia knockoff".

Additionally, there is another problem surrounding Rotten Websites Wiki. A few weeks ago there was a coup on that wiki where a bunch of pages that got deleted were restored. The coup was supressed and the pages were deleted. What were those pages you may ask? Well, they were pages about anti-SJWs, which makes the wiki clearly biased towards the right-wing. Also, even though the wiki is about both websites and internet culture, the wiki seems way too political. Grust suggested that the SJW page should focus less on the ideology and more on them being, as he said, "killjoys". He later deleted this comment for unknown reasons. I would bring this up with the admins there, but they threatened to block me if I brought it up again, even though there is nothing in the policy about suggesting changes to a wiki. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 18:53, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Unfortunately, since I am not an admin, and since MarioMario456 and DuchessTheSponge both threatened to block me if I mentioned this again, and also since I am blocked on the show and website wikis and thus cannot directly discuss the fate of those specific pages, I have no control over the situation and I am unable to come to a compromise with them out of fear of being blocked. There are a few other problems too such as admins repeatedly ignoring my requests and all of my blog posts on Crappy Games Wiki getting deleted for no apparent reason, but this is the biggest problem, and these problems should be brought up one by one. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 19:04, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
I am considering putting Prehibernation Week on Best Shows & Episodes Wiki due to the positive reception, but I'll have to speak with Duchess. Anyway, consensus on deletion on reception wikis is a very bad idea, since it'll cause the wiki to get flooded with biased articles. We can look up the reception of specific media on sites like IMDb and GameFAQs to see if the piece of media is worthy of a page on the negative or positive wikis. β€”MarioMario456 19:29, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
Also, no, Prehibernation Week can't be on BS&EW, I've spoken with @DuchessTheSponge: and he showed that most people hate this episode. It was on ScumBob before the wiki's downfall. β€”MarioMario456 19:45, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
Plus, you don't explain why The Lego Ninjago Movie got "negative reviews". If you look at it on Metacritic and IMDb, you can see it got mixed to positive reception. So, shut up. β€”MarioMario456 19:56, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
On Rotten Tomatoes the episode has a 56% critics score and a 46% audience score, and a B+ on CinemaScore. Also, PhantomStrider gave the episode a negative review. Anyway, both Prehibernation Week and The Lego Ninjago Movie are far too mixed to be on either wiki, so they could be listed as forbidden pages.
Additionally, I can deal with Prehibernation Week and The Lego Ninjago Movie. But you ignored my other two problems I brought up above. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 20:16, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
Just because ONE single person disliked a movie doesn't mean it's bad. Also, B+ is still a decent score on CinemaScore. β€”MarioMario456 20:19, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
You forgot to mention how it has a 56% critical score and a 46% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes, both of which mean that the movie has a rotten rating. I feel like The Lego Ninjago Movie shouldn't be on either wiki since it is way too mixed. Same with Prehibernation Week. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 20:21, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
Can we please have a good read of CoC. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)Β· accΒ· c - (     online) 08:46, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
I'm not sure if there's an element of content policy or similar being violated here, which is the frame you should consider when raising local wiki moderation issues on meta. They ultimately have their reasons for the oligarchical approval approach, although it runs counter to meta/default preferred decision making by community referendum. It does seem impractical to handle every page (except controversial ones) by consensus, so that may not be the best approach to suggest. But there is a broader thing raised that interests me.
It would be interesting to hear from the Stewards if not having a clear platform for an issue like this locally is a problem, or from the local administrators if there is a way to handle this kind of basically internal complaint locally without concern of retribution. I have to say, this is the sort of comment that should be made on a general 'Qualitipedia Meta' discussion board, which I'm not sure exists. It seems like a valid thing to consider if there is a common network of linked wikis and their rules + standards, and such an argument should be able to be platformed somewhere even if the administration disagrees or plainly, thinks that it is dumb. A reasonable admin veto after inconclusive discussion is reasonable. But this exchange between clearly invested parties can make observers look uneasy if left unaddressed and the only local administrator response is bringing along the stick by raising and debunking specific points of an argument that seems symptomatic of the issue that Bluba is raising. The small comment chain above I think would be better platformed locally than here on meta, imo.
But at the end of the day Bluba, right now it seems like you and the 'Qualitipedia' mini-network are not a good fit. Unless there's more to the wider issue of having a local platform to safely discuss these issues in a vacuum (a dedicated talk page or whatever), it might be best to simply go somewhere more liberal. I don't know your status with the New Reception Wiki, but perhaps it would allow you to attempt constructive pages with evidence contrary to what is otherwise posted on Qualitipedia wikis. My 2c, -- Raidarr (talk) 20:21, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
But I like the Reception Wikis. I do not have a problem with the wikis themselves, I am just making suggestions on how to improve the wikis yet the admins (specifically MarioMario456 and DuchessTheSponge) seem to be against me for some reason. Also, this is lying underneath a different problem, since there is no such thing as consensus on Qualitipedia. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 20:24, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
The wikis I used to edit the most were Terrible Shows & Episodes Wiki and Best Shows & Episodes Wiki but I am blocked on both those wikis for reasons that were brought up in a few past discussions. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 20:26, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
I also edit at Great Characters Wiki and Loathsome Characters Wiki. The main reason I have been contacting them on Crappy Games Wiki is that it seems to be the most active Qualitipedia wiki. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 20:28, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
The consensus issue is the biggest point in a meta scope I think, what do the local administrators think regarding this accusation? That one's much more interesting than disputes regarding individual titles and how good they are. --Raidarr (talk) 20:29, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
I made a blog post on Crappy Games Wiki suggesting the idea of proposals and it got deleted by Duchess with the block summary being "No". He also deleted my other blogs for no apparent reason.
I do feel like consensus would help resolve these issues. However I am also blocked on the websites wikis for the same reason I am blocked on the show wikis, which has been explained in several past discussions. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 20:32, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
I did talk to Duchess about the blogs on Crappy Games Wiki. The discussion was deleted however by MarioMario456 where he basically said that it would result in biased pages, then he commented that he thinks that Encyclopedia SpongeBobia has not gone downhill when it has gone downhill for reasons I addressed above. Additionally, there was a dispute a while ago about the Encyclopedia SpongeBobia page on Fresh Websites Wiki. Me and Duchess came to an agreement that it would be called Encyclopedia SpongeBobia (2007-2019, 2021-present). However, despite our agreement, he later reverted it to just Encyclopedia SpongeBobia just because I was blocked on Fresh Websites Wiki and thus could not do anything about it. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 20:36, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
That is something I'll ping someone like @Dmehus: and whichever stewards to look at for the record and observe, as well as wait for local administrator response such as @MarioMario456: on since at face value it certainly does not look great. But perhaps there's another side that's gone unmentioned that would make these events a reasonable choice. I'm honestly not sure if MH policy has say in this, or what say it has if it does. --Raidarr (talk) 20:39, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
Ok. And it is @MarioMario456: not MarioMario346 Blubabluba9990 (talk) 20:40, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
I corrected the error shortly after posting; I'm terrible at catching typos until seconds after :P --Raidarr (talk) 20:45, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
Ok. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 20:48, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

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Exactly. In essence I have had problems with this sort of thing since December. There have been three separate discussions about this, one of which expanded to a few different talk pages. My problems with Duchess however expand beyond Qualitipedia and go back to before I even knew what Miraheze was. These issues technically have been resolved but seem to regularly come up again. It seems like this is multiple different problems that keep coming up. There are a bunch of different threads and posts where this has been discussed, but many of them have been deleted. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 20:47, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
This statement seems very much like a personal problem, and a personal issue with one of the administrators is not conductive to getting things fixed. It seems likely a lot of this issue is because you're considered to have many local behavioral issues and they just don't want to deal with it, which can make one wonder if your issue with consensus is really a wider problem or if it's a case of just you. Focusing on the subject at hand and avoiding tangents may somewhat lighten this impression when attempting to discuss with them/broadly. --Raidarr (talk) 20:58, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
It is indeed a larger problem since there have been cases where others have discussed this, but it is also that I feel that I am being treated unfairly. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 21:16, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Please make me administrator of my own wiki

Hello. I just asked for a wiki creation (ownsc.miraheze.org). But It seems that I don't have admin rights for it. Mihai1103 (talk) 12:40, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello Mihai - this request belongs on (and maybe moved to) Stewards' noticeboard. Unfortunately it is not the first time, and only a Steward can fix this for you. @Dmehus: You mentioned in Request 19215 to ping you if this occurred again. It is now the third instance I've witnessed. Two questions for @Mihai1103: just to make sure this is what I think it is, can you see any "manage this wiki's..." administrator settings on the sidebar when you view your wiki, and is it indeed the wiki ownsc.miraheze.org? --Raidarr (talk) 13:20, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Yeah it's the ownsc.miraheze.org wiki. And no, I don't have the "manage this wiki's" settings on the sidebar. I can only see the "tools" section. Mihai1103 (talk) 13:23, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Indeed, this user has no rights on their wiki, see the CentralAuth lookup. Agent Isai Talk to me! 16:04, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
For observer's record, this was handled on stewards' noticeboard by Void. --Raidarr (talk) 00:55, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Cannot have recaptcha when creating account

When creating an account, no recaptcha is loaded. I had thought it was because it tries to connect google.com, but actually it connects to recaptcha.net directly.

I have tried out in Firefox (Windows) and the recaptcha is correctly loaded, while when using Edge (Windows), Firefox Android, or other browsers in Android, no recaptcha is loaded.

I have inspected the console and found that the error is:

Refused to load the script 'https://www.gstatic.cn/recaptcha/releases/TbD3vPFlUWKZD-9L4ZxB0HJI/recaptcha__zh_cn.js' because it violates the following Content Security Policy directive: "default-src 'self' blob: data:  *.miraheze.org *.wikimedia.org *.wikipedia.org *.wikibooks.org *.wiktionary.org *.wikiquote.org *.wikisource.org *.wikiversity.org *.wikinews.org *.wikivoyage.org *.mediawiki.org mediawiki.org *.wikidata.org wikidata.org *.wmflabs.org *.google.com *.gstatic.com *.addthis.com *.youtube.com *.youtube-nocookie.com maxcdn.bootstrapcdn.com twitter.com *.creativecommons.org images.uncyc.org www.mikrodev.com *.reviservices.com *.twitter.com www.sciencedaily.com *.googleapis.com *.twimg.com discordapp.com *.openstreetmap.org *.libera.chat *.sorcery.net *.fontawesome.com *.a.wmflabs.org nenawiki.org *.cloudytheology.com i.imgur.com na.llnet.sims3store.cdn.ea.com cdn.discordapp.com m.media-amazon.com image.tmdb.org *.stripe.com *.twitch.tv *.fastly.net *.facebook.com *.shields.io *.bilibili.com *.163.com discord.com googleusercontent.com imgbox.com cdnjs.cloudflare.com cdn.jsdelivr.net reddit.com *.reddit.com redd.it *.redd.it redditmedia.com *.redditmedia.com dropbox.com *.dropbox.com dropboxstatic.com *.dropboxstatic.com *.nicovideo.jp lh3.googleusercontent.com db.onlinewebfonts.com wikiapiary.com *.vimeo.com *.googleusercontent.com *.imgbox.com www.gnu.org www.desmos.com www.recaptcha.net snap.berkeley.edu *.netease.com openlayers.org wikiplus-app.com minotar.net *.tile.openstreetmap.org live.staticflickr.com *.pixabay.com cdn.geogebra.org docs.blender.org scratchblocks.github.io 'unsafe-inline' 'unsafe-eval'". Note that 'script-src-elem' was not explicitly set, so 'default-src' is used as a fallback.

(anonymous) @ api.js?hl=zh-cn:formatted:28
(anonymous) @ api.js?hl=zh-cn:formatted:30

In https://www.recaptcha.net/recaptcha/api.js, there is

    po = d.createElement('script');
    po.type = 'text/javascript';
    po.async = true;
    po.src = 'https://www.gstatic.cn/recaptcha/releases/TbD3vPFlUWKZD-9L4ZxB0HJI/recaptcha__zh_cn.js';

According to my assumption, it's because "gstatic.cn", instead of "gstatic.com", was used, which is not in the CSP. I think that is a problem for users in China mainland. SolidBlock (talk) 13:43, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Nice catch! Maybe a sysadmin can add it to the CSP. β€”Bukkit 16:12, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
I believe there is something more to it than that, based on my conversations with Reception123. Also, adding *.gstatic.cn is potentially quite problematic, given how much content Google hosts across its data centres (not all of it well intentioned). For the time being, ReCaptcha v. 3.0 has been delayed for deployment until the issues can be resolved. Dmehus (talk) 17:00, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
Still not fixed at present. --SolidBlock (talk) 00:09, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Tokusatsu Miraheze

This wiki tokusatsu.miraheze.org could benefit from new admins. Iron Sword 23 (talk) 23:56, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

What do you intend by this? I'd think requests for adoption would be appropriate, but the wiki is not locked and there seems to be some form of life there. So perhaps contacting the current admins and seeing if they respond is the best first step, and if/when they don't after waiting for a while (and establishing yourself with contributions), go for a local election based on whoever is still around. If no community or everyone is in favor, you might be able to petition the Stewards from there. --Raidarr (talk) 00:54, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
I'm explaining that there need to be new admins. Iron Sword 23 (talk) 14:05, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
It looks to me like every active user on that wiki is already an admin. Why would they need more admins? (I see why they need more users.) --Robkelk (talk) 14:26, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Would you like to contribute there? Iron Sword 23 (talk) 14:35, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
I know nothing about toku other than that it exists. I have linked to your wiki from the Toku page on All The Tropes, though - that might get you some volunteers. --Robkelk (talk) 15:31, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Okay. Iron Sword 23 (talk) 15:37, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
So what is the point of this 'explanation'? What are you seeking from the Community Noticeboard? --Raidarr (talk) 18:25, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Translate project

If You need any other translate help, give me a message in TranslateWiki, I have same account there as Executive ;)

For a safer & better web, trust Humans not only machines!-Cit: --Executive2 (talk) 14:15, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Is there a list of the public wikis that Miraheze hosts?

Specifically, I'm looking for wikis that discuss particular works of fiction. We'd like to link to them from the pages on All The Tropes that discuss the particular works, but in order to do that, we need to know of their existence. Robkelk (talk) 14:19, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Consider the Special:WikiDiscover page where you can filter options to exactly what you seek with categories and public/private, although it will be a bit of a slog (especially for wiki state of activity and completion). I'm afraid there's not an exact category for what you say, but some of them should lead the right direction. For a much less complete list (but still a place to start), there's the much shorter Gazetteer of wikis. --Raidarr (talk) 14:36, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Thank you, @Raidarr:. I see a few wikis on the gazetteer that we can link to right away. --Robkelk (talk) 15:34, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Please create Test Ground wiki

https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/19325

I'm going to be doing a lot of stuff and I don't want to have to worry about interfering with anyone else. It doesn't seem like it should be an issue to have my own space to experiment with things. Вишина (talk) 02:39, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

@Вишина: Per the decline comment, you should use the Miraheze Test Wiki. It is very useful and you won't be interfering with anyone. Agent Isai Talk to me! 02:43, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
I'm going to test a JavaScript bot for importing wikis so I'm going to be creating and deleting a lot of pages. Вишина (talk) 02:46, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
@Вишина: Not an issue at all, just make sure to add yourselves to the "bot" group on the Test Wiki so as to not clutter the Recent Changes. See you there! Agent Isai Talk to me! 02:50, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Pokemon.miraheze.org

Can a steward help me with something? Iron Sword 23 (talk) 01:24, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

@Iron Sword 23: Your request for adoption will be replied to accordingly, please be patient and remember that Stewards are volunteers too. Thank you! Agent Isai Talk to me! 01:28, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
I know, but when I try to save the changes the abuse filter is triggered. Iron Sword 23 (talk) 01:36, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
I've adjusted the abuse filter so this should no longer happen. -- Void Whispers 02:07, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
@Iron Sword 23: In addition to my previous comment, please also add a reason to your adoption request or else it may be closed as invalid. Thanks! Agent Isai Talk to me! 01:30, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

If possible, can I get a Miraheze site tracked by WikiApiary?

Looking into it in the next 1-2 months (as things start settling down on the relaunched version of my now-week-old creative-venture wiki). Not to mention that my site, I believe, is the only Miraheze outlet at this writing to actually take advantage of the Genealogy and Mermaid extensions (for its character profiles and family trees). Beyond that, the only Miraheze references to both are at phab:T5005 (from late December 2019) and phab:T5204 (from a couple of months after)--whose requesting wikis are no longer around. --Routhwick (talk) 13:35, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

@Routhwick: To add your website to WikiApiary, you need to create an account on there. After confirming your email, all you need to do is go to Special:FormEdit/Website on there and add your wiki. Agent Isai (talk) 15:57, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
@Routhwick: Were you able to resolve this? Ugochimobi (talk) 08:11, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
@Ugochimobi: See the first sentence in this section. --Routhwick (talk) 10:59, 17 July 2021 (UTC)