Community noticeboard/Archive 17

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A new wiki for the website's community

The Miraheze Community Wiki is a wiki for the community so people can get to know each other and welcome each other. I know Meta does that, but I think we need a wiki for that stuff.

Support

1.  Strong support I think we need a wiki for this kind of thing InspecterAbdel (talk) 22:44, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
2.  Weak support but not per any of the above or below, but because community noticeboard has become a catch-all for technical support questions, community discussions, and really anything. The organization is weak, and we could use a community wiki. I have no objections to it, but the main reason for my oppose weak support here is because the purpose is somewhat vague and unclear. I appreciate @InspecterAbdel: bringing this for a community discussion, though, and, since this wiki was simultaneously submitted for approval and created already, I think we should probably shift this wiki towards defining a clear purpose and terms of reference for its existence and the parameters by which the local bureaucrats can be removed (via Community noticeboard) here on Meta. Dmehus (talk) 14:55, 28 July 2020 (UTC) ^{Amended. Moved from weak oppose to weak support Dmehus (talk) 15:31, 28 July 2020 (UTC)}
3.  Support I think we should have one since fandom has one. Plus it's subdomain is valuable too. AppleCrunchy (talk) 19:16, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
4.  Strongest support This is a good idea! We have the community board, but it's very messy, votes and other things go in the same page, making it cluttered. With the community wiki, you can have a page for off-topic, memes, just chatting, etc. and it would most likely work, but as there are a lot of opposes, we most likely won't get the community wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiJS (talk • contribs) 18:04, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Abstain

1.  Abstain I really like to have a community wiki for new users to gather, although we have a Community noticeboard. CircleyDoesExtracter(Circley Talk | Global |Email the Cloud) 17:09, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Oppose

1.  Oppose. No, we don't need such a wiki. This page ("community noticeboard") is exactly for this kind of thing. I don't want to have to check both this page and a dedicated wiki to find out what is happening on the wiki farm, nor learn how such a wiki is organized. Spıke (talk) 04:25, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
2.  Oppose Per Spike. There is already not enough engagement and usage on Meta, so another wiki is really not what we need. We should focus on Meta. Reception123 (talk) (C) 06:08, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
3.  Strong oppose. We DO NOT need a community wiki is needed at this time. We already have this page, the community noticeboard, and Requests for Permissions, requests for global rights and requests for stewardship. It seems that it would serve the same service as as most of this meta wiki, and I just see no possible usage for this. I also agree with the comments that Spike has made about having to go back and forth between meta and a community wiki. Sorry, it is just not going to work. --Furricane (talk) 15:10, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

   @Furricane: I'm hoping you'll consider amending your !vote, per my comments above, as I really don't think @InspecterAbdel:'s goal was for this wiki to replace Meta. The problem with this request is that (a) the wiki shouldn't have been created without a community discussion (not, technically, a requirement, as far as I'm aware, but good practice) and (b) it should've had a clearer purpose, scope, and defined parameters, as we are doing with Dev Wiki and have done with Template Wiki and Miraheze Commons in the past. No community proposals or discussions, or even drafts of such proposals, would've occurred on this wiki. Rather, as I saw it (though vague and unclear), this wiki was meant to be a user collaboration and social connection wiki that would've actually sought to deepen community participation. Participation in this community wiki would've been completely voluntary and not participating would not have meant the user would "miss out" on important community discussions, as I don't think that was ever the intent behind @InspecterAbdel:'s good-faith proposal. Dmehus (talk) 15:27, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

4.  Oppose Not needed.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 06:34, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
5.  Oppose I do not think another wiki is necessary for the community because for me Meta is the wiki for the community. DeeM28 (talk) 07:30, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
6.  Oppose This is unnecessary, Meta already serves essentially the same purpose, and there's not really enough of that kind of "community" activity to need a separate wiki. K599 (talk) 20:27, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
7.  Strong oppose After reading the first two oppose votes I agree with those users. We should try to engage the community on Meta and we can be doing community oriented activities here. Тишина (talk) 17:15, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
8.  Strong oppose I agree that the noticeboard is enough and if there was a whole wiki about the community it would be under used and it would require moving around instead of just looking at this one page Bayugoon (talk) 19:55, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Comments

• I think the subject is not whether we need a community wiki or not, as we already have a community-centric wiki, but whether we need a miraheze-sanctioned community wiki.I think CN is sufficient, but it seems unusual for a topic to be set up for communication purposes, so someone may need to give an example.I found an image on ja.wiktionary.org showing the stroke order of my name, so it might be a good idea to post it, but it takes courage to be the first one.--松•Matsu (talk) 22:53, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
• Relist to delay archiving. I will be posting an updated proposal on next steps in the next several days. Dmehus (talk) 02:30, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Relist to delay archiving. I will be posting an updated proposal on next steps in the next several days. Dmehus (talk) 01:36, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
• Relist to delay archiving. I will be posting an updated proposal on next steps in the next several days. Dmehus (talk) 05:21, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
• Steward attention requested: This really should be closed. I already posted an updated proposal, and it was closed as a "duplicate" of this discussion. Justarandomliberal (talk) 16:06, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Privacy policy 13+ years refers to editors or readers?

Please help me understand correctly this part of the Privacy Policy:

Miraheze does not operate Services that are targeted at people under 13 years of age, and does not collect personally identifiable information. If you are a parent or guardian and become aware that your child has been using the Services, please let us know and we will remove your child’s information.

Does it mean that each editor of the wiki must be at least 13 years old, or that the content of the wiki should be written for readers at least 13 years old?

Specifically, I would like to make a wiki that provides links to educational resources for elementary and high schools; for example YouTube videos that explain math. (I found a lot of great resources, and I believe it would be useful to have them at one place, sorted by school curriculum.) Editors of the wiki would be adult people, typically teachers. But the intended audience is the students and/or their parents; in case of elementary school, that would include kids below 13. The expected use case is: "A kid didn't understand the lesson about triangles at school, goes to the wiki, chooses 'Math' + grade + 'Triangles', and hopefully there are a couple of YouTube videos linked." (That is, the kids are definitely not expected to 'edit' the wiki.)

Would such wiki be compatible with the Privacy Policy?

-- Viliam (talk) 23:31, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Viliam Thank you for the question. This refers mainly to editors—specifically anything that requires collecting personal information from users under 13 years of age. Under UK law, as well as the laws of the European Union, Miraheze Limited is legally prohibited from knowingly collecting personal information from users under that age. In your case, you could still create a fishbowl wiki that was only editable by the editor group and you could even take away the createaccount permission from the anonymous user group (*) and even the user group, so accounts could not be created. So, yeah, to answer your question, it's not a problem for you to create an educational wiki that would be read only by students as the students could not create an account on that wiki. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 02:26, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for explanation; wiki "skola.miraheze.org" created (no content yet). --Viliam (talk) 21:20, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Viliam Oh, that's  great to hear. Glad you're all set up. Feel free to join us on IRC in #miraheze ^connect or on Discord if you have any questions regarding building your wiki. Dmehus (talk) 02:28, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

How can I redirect a page?

I have a wiki, and I made a page, but I want to redirect other pages to the specific page, so how can I do that? WikiJS 19:35, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

WikiJS You can add #REDIRECT [[Target page name]] on a new page. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 19:39, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! It worked! WikiJS 19:42, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

WikiJS Okay,  great. Dmehus (talk) 19:47, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

How does one request the "confirmed" userright on a wiki?

How does one request the "confirmed" user right on a wiki? Thanks! Firestar464 (talk) 03:20, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

 Answered on Discord. Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 11:44, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Though this was answered on Discord, which is great, I'm going to provide an answer on community noticeboard as this is a good, basic question others will likely have the same question about. the confirmed user group usually has nearly identifical user rights to the autoconfirmed implicit user group that is not granted by any particular user group and which is granted only upon meeting certain predefined conditions (typically, a locallly attached user account that is at least four days old and which has made at least ten edits). Since there's sometimes a need for trusted users to edit before meeting those conditions or because certain bot or alternate accounts that do not edit but otherwise need to update their OAuth consumers, the confirmed user group is available for a user group (typically, administrators) to grant as required. Dmehus (talk) 13:51, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Some features not working on two wikis.

On Loathsome Characters Wiki, adding "voting="Plus"" to comments (so it looks like <comments voting="Plus"/>) simply breaks the comments, while on other wikis such as Awful Movies Wiki work perfectly fine. And the Flow extension on Horrible TV Show Episodes Wiki doesn't want to work either no matter what I try to do. Is there anything missing or disabled on those wikis that could be causing this? --DeciduousWater534 (talk) 21:03, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

The Comments part has been  fixed on Phabricator but as for Flow, could you please describe what you mean by "not working" and optionally create a task on Phabricator? Thank you. Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 11:49, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Even though the Flow extension is enabled, the wiki is still displaying the traditional talk page style rather than what Flow (now called StructuredDiscussions) would display. --DeciduousWater534 (talk) 17:28, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

@DeciduousWater534: You must enable Flow on the Special:EnableStructuredDiscussions. --Anton (talk) 17:40, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Oh, okay, but is there any way I can enable them on every page at once instead of one at a time? --DeciduousWater534 (talk) 20:01, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

DeciduousWater534 There should be an option to set the default content model in Special:ManageWiki/namespaces on your wiki, though this was recently redone by Universal Omega so this may have changed, and I'm not seeing where this has been done on Miraheze Commons (which uses StructuredDiscussions by default in all mainspace and userspace talk namespaces). So, I'm not quite sure why those namespaces aren't displaying to me as using the StructuredDiscussions content model. Anyway, that's something to look into. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 17:06, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

About the Twinkle options:

How can I import some of the warnings if they don't turn out the way I wanted it to be? I've been trying to import more of these templates for the purpose of having the Twinkle categories be completed as it's barely close to being completed. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 17:10, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

@DarkMatterMan4500: Could you please explain further, I'm not really sure what you mean and what you're trying to do. Reception123 (talk) (C) 13:48, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

DarkMatterMan4500 Twinkle is a very complex, multi-faceted gadget that is really designed for Wikipedia workflow, so it requires a lot of modifications to the code and also a lot of customization in the templates used. I personally find it quite impersonal and prefer not to use it. In fact, I haven't reenabled it on Meta, as the two most useful features I used, the pseudo-rollback functionality, I'm using BrandonXLF's Restorer and actual rollback. Where I used specific templates, {{subst:templatename}} works well for me, and is nearly as quick. Dmehus (talk) 17:30, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

@Dmehus: That does simplify things for sure, but I'm hoping the Twinkle feature reaches completion in the future. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 22:19, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

List of wikis

Where do I find the list of wikis to make sure the name I want for my wiki isn't already taken? Blaze The Wolf (talk) 21:58, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: There is a very simple methode: enter the url in your browser's address field, e.g. isthisnametaken.miraheze.org. Looking for wikis you can here: discover wikis and a log of all ever created wikis here: Farmer Log but is rather difficult to find a specific name there, greetings Lily (Lilypond Wiki · talk to me · little garden · my wiki of everything) 04:09, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Flagged Revisions

Hello,

Once Miraheze upgrades to MediaWiki 1.36 later this year, There will be major changes to the 'FlaggedRevs' extension to ensure its continued stability and function. Please see this upstream announcement by Ladsgroup. If you have any questions and are uncomfortable asking upstream, please let myself or any member of MediaWiki Engineering know.

Thanks, ~ RhinosF1 - _(chat)^{· acc· c} - (on) 07:40, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Dormant wiki reminder e-mail

Hi Miraheze, community, I believe this question has been answered before but I couldn't find whether it is possible to enable this.

Can Miraheze send a warning email to the owner if the wiki has been dormant for 30 days? Camilo.tejeiro (talk) 22:51, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Camilo.tejeiro I don't know if this is technically possible currently; however, it might be possible to write a JavaScript or something that e-mails the owner of the JavaScript when there has not been a recent change on a given wiki in the last 30 days or so. Doing that would involve making one's e-mail address public, though, unless the wiki was a private wiki, of course. One other option you could try, and this would be easier actually, is to set up a private Discord server for your wiki, create a wiki RC feed channel on the Discord server, add your Discord server webhook into Special:ManageWiki on your wiki, and then have Discord e-mail you if there's been activity (i.e., from that RC feed channel). As long as you are receiving an e-mail from Discord every 30 days or so, you know your wiki is active. Dmehus (talk) 02:34, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply and for providing these ideas! as I am not too technically proficient in these, let me in the meanwhile just track down in my planner (last edit and next edit-by date), I think this old-fashioned way will work in the interim :) Thank you again for your help! Camilo.tejeiro (talk) 00:03, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

 No problem! Dmehus (talk) 00:13, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

What is hat collecting?

On my recently closed global permissions request, someone said I was hat collecting, but I do not know what hat collecting means. Can someone please explain to me what it means? Thanks, WikiJS 14:15, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Read w:Wikipedia:Hat collecting. --Anton (talk) 14:17, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

In addition to what Anton said above, I would like to note that I did link that page in my oppose comment. Please do read the comments. Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 14:21, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

I wanna become volunteer wiki creator, how?

May I become a wiki creator, please? I'd like to become a part of it. I'm very interested in doing this for the community. 1066470lcps (talk) 14:10, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

1066470lcps Please note I've procedurally moved your question from Meta:Administrators' noticeboard to community noticeboard, where it is now in scope. To answer your question, I recommend reviewing Content Policy and Meta:Wiki creators' guide, certainly, but more importantly, I do recommend you reach out to the community on IRC and Discord, get to know the community, and engage with them. In time, you may eventually be suitable to be a wiki creator; however, you really do have to get to know the community and, more importantly, they have to get to know you, too. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 14:18, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

by 'getting to know the community', wdym? Also, about how long, (not to bother you) because I'm kinda (meaning realllllly) interested. I'd really like to become a wiki creator, I'm not repeatedly asking, just asking other questions 1066470lcps (talk) 14:24, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

1066470lcps I just mean engage with members of the community on Discord and/or IRC, let them know your wiki background, what other experience you have, whether you have prior Miraheze experience under other usernames, and all of that sort of thing. There's no set time limit, but if the community members see what they like, someone will recommend you run for wiki creator. Keep in mind, too, patience is a virtue. :) Dmehus (talk) 14:28, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Dmehus Okay! 1066470lcps (talk) 14:33, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

 Thanks! Look forward to seeing you on IRC and/or Discord. Dmehus (talk) 14:37, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Dmehus Cool, i'm just very keen, sometimes for things I'm like super duper interested in I can't really wait ; - ;

So Dmehus Basically what i'm saying right now is that Well, I mean I know how to use Discord, and all but i'm just kinda too interested to wait so yeah maybe should just make me (not begging, just suggesting :) ) just expressing how I feel and my opinion/thoughts. thanks for reading Dmehus!

1066470lcps (talk) 14:31, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Adding an option for NSFW Wiki in Wiki Requests.

I believe that the NSFW option should be in Special:ManageWiki/Settings and Request a wiki. So when you go on the wiki for the first time, it will ask you to confirm your birthdate, or confirm you are 18 or older. This would help a lot, as sometimes I stumble on NSFW wikis that has inappropriate images/videos/gifs as their main page. This would be a good addition, because sometimes, kids can stumbleupon these sort of content. WikiJS talk 18:18, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

While it is of course undesirable that a minor accidentally accesses such NSFW content, there is currently no global policy imposing that wikis provide a warning regarding NSFW content, however we do strongly encourage that every wiki that has NSFW does so on their Main Page for obvious reasons. I do think, it may be interesting to consider such a NSFW option for wikis (so that the warning is visible on every page, not only the Main Page). Whether that should be made mandatory for all wikis or simply be an option for wikis that would like it is another question. Alternatively, instead of an option in ManageWiki, it could also be made into an extension which could be called something like "NSFW Warning" and be like Cookie Warning only produce a full page warning and require the user to declare that they are 18 before proceeding. Reception123 (talk) (C) 12:47, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Hm, an extension seems like a good idea. WikiJS talk 13:07, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Trust and Safety Group

Morning all,

This is a post to advertise a new volunteering position directly with Miraheze Limited, the company behind Miraheze. Following feedback from the Site Reliability Engineering team regarding responsibilities and expectations around Terms of Use/user safeguarding, we voted in our last meeting to form a new, entirely separate team to deal with these extreme matters. Today I can announce that following lengthy internal discussion, we are recruiting volunteers to support our newly formed Trust and Safety team. Role descriptor is available here for the new Trust and Safety Responder role. To be considered by the Board of Directors for the role, please send the application form to boardmiraheze.org before 23:59 (UTC) on Sunday, April 4th, 2021. Any questions please contact me via Discord or email. Thank you on behalf of Miraheze Limited, Owen (talk) 11:52, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Welcomer UserRight Vote

After a set amount of welcomes, there should be an extension called Mass Welcome, where in the user list, they can select how many people to welcome, but the extension can only be accessed by Welcomer and higher.

Support

•  Support As the person who created the vote, with some good points, I believe this should be added. WikiJS 18:09, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Additional Comments

• WikiJS I have no idea what you are proposing here. Are you proposing for a new extension to be developed and installed, or are you proposing for an existing extension be enabled on Meta or on all Miraheze wikis be default? Secondarily, what is your aim here? This seems like more of a question or an idea, rather than a formal proposal, which would be best incubated as a subpage of your userspace. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 19:12, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

  I'm proposing for a new extension to be developed and installed for Meta. And yeah, I see what you're saying, I made the vote in a rush, even though it was more of an idea. WikiJS 00:33, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

  WikiJS Yeah, this sort of thing doesn't really need a discussion, at least not the development of an extension; for enabling mass welcoming system user extension on this wiki, yeah, that part would need a discussion to be enabled. However, without an extension developed, this is a bit like put the cart before the (proverbial) horse. I'd recommend instead reaching out to Universal Omega on his user talk page and see if he could develop this extension for you. Be sure to list exactly and specifically what features your extension would require and how an existing welcoming extension, such as either of the HAWelcome or NewUserMessage extensions, would not serve your needs. You would also want to clearly specify which wiki(s) you'd want to enable it on (not counting Meta Wiki, since that'd need a separate discussion). As to potentially enabling such an extension on Meta Wiki, my personal view is this isn't really needed and wouldn't be helpful, principally because accounts are often auto-created on Meta just like they're auto-created on Loginwiki, many of which end up being spam only accounts (among other things). Plus, it's also a bit "spammy," if I'm being honest. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 01:34, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

• This should be made following Tech:Projects. Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 12:37, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Interwiki

We made a consensus about the interwiki at meta unitedwiki:総合談論室#Unitedwikiの総合方針について#0.議論の前に. Wikilexicon(wl), WikiDemocracy(wd),Worldtrainwiki(wt) and　MilitaryWiki(mw), is under the banner of “meta unitedwiki”(meta united), so we want to interwiki between these six sites including “meta unitedwiki”.

※Exlinkwiki has been closed, so I think you can ignore this wiki. --令和少年 (talk) 06:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

@令和少年: Hello, I unfortunately do not know Japanese. Could you please clarify which wikis the interwiki prefixes should be added to? Or should we add them to all four wikis (I cannot see the sixth one and am excluding Exlinkwiki as requested by you)? Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 13:44, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Also, I moved this thread here from SN per the policy. Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 13:46, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

R4356th I appreciate your help. I ain't good at English very much, so I may be impossible to comply with your requests entirely. By the way, we want to set the prefixes like following.

It takes time to make a diagram, so I wrote simply. (If I have a mind to make diagrams really, probably, I'm possible)

Wikilexicon→wl

WikiDemocracy→wd

Worldtrainwiki→wt

MilitaryWiki→mw

meta unitedwiki→meta united

We would like to interwiki between five wikis above.--令和少年 (talk) 15:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

令和少年 That's perfect, and makes sense. We'd assume you want those on all wikis, except for the one about the current wiki where being added. One more question. Do any of them require the "forward" or "transclude" flags? And finally, "meta united" contains a space, which may or may not be possible. Would "metaunited" be alright? Dmehus (talk) 15:40, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

@令和少年: I do not believe there can be spaces in interwiki prefixes. Is it a problem if I remove the space between meta and united in "meta united"? Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 15:42, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

R4356th Thank you for your quick response. foward and transclusion...I don't know these things in detail, but we'd like to interwiki like between wikipedia and wiktionary.--令和少年 (talk) 15:47, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

@令和少年: Transclusion will allow you to show content from another wiki without copying it. You could see Wikipedia's policy on this to better understand what it is and how it works. And forward is helpful for robots and if you would like to be able to go to other wikis using Special:Search. I am adding the links without the flags for now. I would be happy to add them for you later. :) Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 16:41, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

metaunited is okay. you can overlook the space.--令和少年 (talk) 15:49, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

@令和少年: This should now be  done. Please let me know if anything needs to be fixed. Please also note that I have not added interwiki prefixes for MilitaryWiki as it has been deleted. Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 17:22, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

R4356th I checked. Thank you for your quick management.--令和少年 (talk) 23:48, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

R4356th Ouch, We'd like to set "forward" on because of quick links, also please keep the function of "transclusion" on because we'd like to share information over wikis by interwiki links.--令和少年 (talk) 00:20, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

@令和少年:  Done, sorry for the delay. Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 05:23, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

R4356th I appreciate you very much. I checked them. Thank you for your quick and accurate correspondence. However...MilitaryWiki was enduring when I cheaked today...--令和少年 (talk) 05:47, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

R4356th Oh, dear. I took a mistake in a link to MilitaryWiki. military is correct. please set both "foward" and "transclusion" on... In addition, could you please set the interwiki prefix "mi".（because:mw→mediawiki）--令和少年 (talk) 05:57, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

 Done. Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 07:15, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

How can I add a category on the majority of pages of a site, but also with specific exceptions?

I wanted to add a category to the majority of pages on my site that are in the 'Main' namespace, but if a page already had another specific category on it, I wanted it to be skipped. I'm not sure how I can do that, I was pointed towards AutoWikiBrowser, but I'm not sure how to use it to do this. Here's where I describe this with a bit more detail: https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T7062 Thermometer (talk) 06:01, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Thermometer Hi, let me see if I can help you out. I saw that they pointed you towards AutoWikiBrowser, which would definitely carry out your task, but requires download, it looks like. That link I gave you has more information about the extension. Another thing that could work (though probably not as well) is the MassEditRegex (Mass Edit using Regular Expressions) extension, which could allow you to mass add the category you want to a range of pages. The only downside to using MER is that you would have to manually type in page names, page name prefixes, category names, or backlinks, and manually separate the pages you want added to from the ones in those categories you mentioned in the Phabricator task. If you're looking for automated, though, AutoWikiBrowser (the first link) can help. I'm not an expert, so if anyone else has better advice, please contradict me. Hope this helps you! Turtle84375 (talk) 07:17, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

@Thermometer: You could do this in Lua, but this would require the extension CategoryToolbox which is not (yet) available on Miraheze, Lily (Lilypond Wiki · talk to me · little garden · my wiki of everything) 08:14, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Thaks Sirlance3000 (talk) 16:09, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Questions on adding Wiki skin extensions

I'm just wondering if I were to make a custom wiki skin specificity made for my wiki and I asked if it could be added to my wiki and my wiki only would you? I'm asking this because I am thinking about making a custom wiki skin for my wiki The Official Spirits of Argonoth Wiki, but I don't want to spend time on it without knowing if it would even be worth it. Sirlance3000 (talk) 04:39, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Sirlance3000 Thank you for the question, which I've procedurally moved from stewards' noticeboard to here where other community members can assist you with your question. Dmehus (talk) 14:38, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Need help with File Sharing

I want to connect https://commons.gyaanipedia.com with https://zh.gyaanipedia.com so that if I upload file to Commons then it can also appear in Zh wiki. I had tried it by adding commonsgyaanipediawiki under the Shared Upload Database Name on this link https://zh.gyaanipedia.com/wiki/Special:ManageWiki/settings#mw-section-media in the Media section but it doesn't work. Can anyone tell me that how can I do it. Thank you so much Shaunak Chakraborty (talk) 07:42, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Shaunak Chakraborty Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this what Interwiki is for? If so, I think you would need to put both wikis on the same Interwiki table, which I believe requires the Interwiki Administrator permission. Turtle84375 (talk) 07:46, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

@Turtle84375: Thanks for your suggestions but unfortunately it doesn't work as I am an Interwiki Administrator I had done it but still it is not working. Shaunak Chakraborty (talk)

Shaunak Chakraborty Hmm. Interesting. Sorry I couldn't help, someone else should be able to :) Turtle84375 (talk) 09:00, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

A community Developers wiki

•  Comment: Yeah, though I don't think it's required to have a community discussion in this case, since it's going to be a community wiki for shared CSS and JavaScript files, among other things potentially, I thought it would be a good practice to have the discussion, especially if it proposes to use the name "Miraheze." Plus, I think it would be helpful for the community to (a) define the initial scope and purpose and (b) establish the founding bureaucrats for the wiki. From there, the local community can help to establish its local policies and further refine its purpose. In general terms, I support this as a community wiki as I think it is sufficiently different than the Template and Miraheze Bots + Tools wikis. I also think it could be useful at reducing the page load times of community-imported and -maintained user scripts, as opposed to always loading them from English Wikipedia and other wikis. Dmehus (talk) 23:17, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

@Dmehus: yes, some of that is part of my initial thoughts for the reasoning of the wiki. As for using the name Miraheze in it, I think it should be called Miraheze Developers Wiki or something similar. As for bureaucrats of the wiki, any candidate recommendations? And I think a community discussion for this is a good idea. It gives the community a way to give input, and their own unique ideas in it as well. User:Universal Omega/Sig  23:39, 24 July 2020 (UTC) ］ |

•  Strong support As proposer I support this, but also because I know JS and CSS pretty well, and would love to have a wiki like this for the Miraheze community. User:Universal Omega/Sig  23:39, 24 July 2020 (UTC) ］ |
•  Support This is a great idea for a new wiki. I think that by doing this, lots of new coding things could be enabled, including possibly global modules and gadgets. Great suggestion. I also have no concerns for this proposal. --Furricane (talk) 23:27, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

@Furricane: yes, I do believe that a wiki like this could be greatly beneficial in the long run, or at least I hope it can be. User:Universal Omega/Sig  23:39, 24 July 2020 (UTC) ］ |

•  Strong support I support this idea because not everyone can do custom CSS and (or) custom JS. Onmp314 (talk) 16:57, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
•  Support Sounds like a good idea for having a central place to import JS and CSS. K599 (talk) 20:39, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
•  Support per my comments above. Dmehus (talk) 21:00, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
•  Support Good. Waldo (talk) 21:56, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
•  Support would be a nice place to ask questions with in that area Bayugoon (talk) 19:50, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Potential rename and/or expanded scope of Dev Wiki

@Universal Omega: asked me a few days, or perhaps a week, ago if I had posted in this discussion thread about the potential renaming and expanded scope for Dev Wiki yet. Other tasks took priority, but seeing as this thread was due to be archived in the next day or so, I wanted to get this done. So, I'm going to {{ping}} those that participated above and those who participated in the discussion on potential name ideas/expanded scope on Discord.

So, the question is...given that the dev subdomain implies broader usage by and for developers beyond just CSS and JavaScript scripts, @Universal Omega, Void, Lakelimbo, NDKilla, Reception123, and Furricane: and I (did I forget anyone, @Universal Omega:?) basically toyed around with a number of potential new names and subdomains, the top three of which is identified below:

1. Retain dev and expand the scope, or allow the community, via a future community noticeboard discussion to expand the scope at some point in the future;
2. Rename subdomain to repo, which would be roughly in line with the current purpose and scope, but open to possibilities later (again, the community would retain the right modify the scope via a community noticeboard discussion); or,
3. Rename subdomain to cssjs, with a narrow scope; limits us in the future, but entirely accurate; it's not too bad, as we could easily create a separate dev later, though we should reserve that subdomain in the blacklist)

Since @RhinosF1: didn't participate in the Discord discussion and since this doesn't require any advanced rights to close, I nominate him to assess the consensus and close this discussion in a week or two. --Dmehus (talk) 00:01, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of RhinosF1 as closer

@RhinosF1:, please indicate if you would be willing to close this discussion after 1-2 weeks (depending on the weather-related impacts to U.S. eastern seaboard residents).

Additionally, can I get a seconder to second this nomination? (Thought we could probably safely skip a full vote on nominating an uninvolved closer.)

• Accepted: ~ RhinosF1 - _(chat)^{· acc· c} - (on) 19:19, 7 August 2020 (UTC) (as nominated closer)
• Moved: Dmehus (talk) 00:01, 7 August 2020 (UTC) (as nominator)
• Seconded: User:Universal Omega/Sig  02:37, 9 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |
• Procedural comment: This has been relisted for another two weeks. Dmehus (talk) 12:57, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
• Procedural comment: This has been relisted for another two weeks. Dmehus (talk) 13:41, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
• Procedural comment: This has been relisted for another two weeks, plus the duration set by the hidden wikicomment at the end of this thread. Dmehus (talk) 13:59, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Voting and Vote Tabulation Instructions

You are encouraged to express first and second choices in your !vote. Please do so by indicating, in your !vote for each proposal, whether it is your first or second choice. If no proposal achieves more than 50% of the valid !votes cast, the proposal with the least number of first choice !votes will be dropped, and those users' second choices will then be allocated accordingly, and the results retabulated in a second count.

Proposal 1: dev

Support

1.  Support User:Universal Omega/Sig  02:41, 9 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |
2.  Support as first choice, since the community remains overall authority over this wiki in terms of its bureaucrat removal (as may be required) and in terms of redefining, or broadening, its scope. Dmehus (talk) 11:50, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
3.  Support I think there is no need to rename. Onmp314 (talk) 16:57, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
4.  Support Looks nice, and is easy to understand. K599 (talk) 20:47, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Neutral/Abstain

This is arguably kind of useless, in this case, since the !votes won't be counted, but I'll nonetheless include it.

Proposal 2: repo

Neutral/Abstain

This is arguably kind of useless, in this case, since the !votes won't be counted, but I'll nonetheless include it.

1.  Neutral I like this idea as well, but it feels like it has other non-computer science-related use cases (i.e., for an archival- or museum-type wiki). Dmehus (talk) 11:50, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Proposal 3: cssjs

Neutral/Abstain

This is arguably kind of useless, in this case, since the !votes won't be counted, but I'll nonetheless include it.

1.  Neutral I also liked @NDKilla:'s idea, as it is the most specific and clearly defines this wiki's current purpose, but, at the same time, it really does restrict a future broadening of this wiki's scope to include a broader array of wiki developer resources, for which the community retains the absolute authority to redefine this wiki's purpose via community noticeboard. Dmehus (talk) 11:50, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Notes

1. It's also important to point out that, per the approved wiki request, this is a community wiki and the community maintains overall supremacy over this wiki (i.e., its scope, bureaucrats, etc.).
2. Everyone agreed to use @Lakelimbo:'s great logo for Dev Wiki.

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section

Login Error

Hi, Please I don't know, No user can log into FAMEPedia currently
It shows an error that says There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Please resubmit the form.

Please how can this be sorted out??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ugochimobi (talk • contribs) 21:53, 3 April 2021‎ (UTC)

Ugochimobi Thank you for posting this problem, for which I'm pleased to provide you with a solution. This is almost always related to a cookie issue, so what you have to do is this...

1. Delete all your cookies for *.miraheze.org and any Miraheze wikis to which you attached your account that had a custom domain (i.e. publictestwiki.com or allthetropes.org)
2. Open the private browsing mode of your web browser and login at Special:UserLogin, then, in the same window, go to Special:UserLogout
3. Open the regular browsing mode of your web browser, delete your cookies for *.miraheze.org (and any custom domains again) and try and login (on Meta and on a wiki with a custom domain).

Let me know if that resolves it Dmehus (talk) 22:02, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Regarding the link you provided, I believe there is a typo in that domain as en.fampedia.org does not resolve. Dmehus (talk) 22:06, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

@Dmehus: It looks like they meant en.famepedia.org instead. Joritochip (talk) 23:42, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Joritochip Yeah, that's what I suspected. So, yeah, Ugochimobi, make sure you, and anyone else encountering this problem, delete your cookies for your en.famepedia.org custom domain. Dmehus (talk) 23:49, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Many thanks to @Dmehus and @Joritochip. It worked perfectly. I think this should be anounced globally, In a case where any other person from any wiki on Miraheze faces this exact issue of related, So they can know the simple solution. Ugochimobi (talk) 17:08, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Ugochimobi  No problem at all. With regard to your suggestion, we did actually have a central notice last fall when we made the cookie configuration change, and publicized multiple announcements on IRC (in #miraheze ^connect) and on Discord. Most of the login issues have thus been resolved, but we do still see occasional issues. In fact, my instructions above are copied from my pinned message in the #general channel on Discord. Perhaps, though, since we do still get rare issues of this still occurring (presumably from users needing to delete their old cookies), we could add those instructions (or some modification of them) as a FAQ question, to which we could easily refer users to? Dmehus (talk) 17:28, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Exactly Dmehus. Thanks once more. Ugochimobi (talk) 19:59, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

The images from Wikimedia Commons cannot be displayed in Chinese mainland

Yesterday, I found that some images couldnot be displayed normally and they were all Wikimedia Commons' images. I could only see the alt of the image. For example, now I cannot see the image File:Emblem-important.svg in the edit notice. other users in Chinese mainland in my Wiki, too.

The following is my questions and ideas:

1. Is there any way to change the url of Wikimedia Commons? Use mirror sites' url to replace the url of Wikimedia Commons(upload.wikimedia.org/xxxxxx). It might be a JS, or it might be a configuration item in LocalSittings.php .
2. Can Miraheze upload the image from Wikimedia Commons in common use to display them for users in Chinese mainland? Static.Miraheze.org is much more stable than Wikimedia commons in Chinese mainland!
3. If the preceding both cannot realize, I have to upload all the images from Wikimedia Commons in use to my Wiki.

--开炸弹车 (talk) 23:30, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

开炸弹车 Interesting—thank you for raising this issue. I'm not certain whether option #1 would be feasible. We could certainly host mirror versions of common template image icons and such on Miraheze Commons. Do you have an estimate on how many images that might be? You'd just need to make sure you provide appropriate attribution and licensing information for each image/icon you upload to Miraheze Commons. Alternatively, if you and other Chinese wikis share images, you could set up a special purpose shared image repository wiki for your group of wikis to use, and set your Special:Upload URL to point to your special purpose shared image repository wiki. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 00:24, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Dmehus Talk templates, tip templates and some others, about 40. --开炸弹车 (talk) 00:50, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

开炸弹车 Okay, maybe start with about the first 10 images, adding the image summary attribution and licensing information. Once we've reviewed those images, I'll grant you autopatrolled on Miraheze Commons so you can finish with the remainder. To be clear, these are just the images/icons for the templates, not the templates themselves, right? If the latter, the templates themselves can be hosted on Miraheze Template Wiki. Dmehus (talk) 01:03, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Dmehus Yes, these are only images/icons. --开炸弹车 (talk) 02:36, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Fortnite and or others.

Is their a fortnite wiki yet? And if their is could I try a different subject? Thnx. Bobkattwallace (talk) 16:12, 5 April 2021 (UTC) I found fortnite, so I'll think of something else. Bobkattwallace (talk) 16:22, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Bobkattwallace There does seem to be a Fortnite Wiki; however, the Vector CSS is badly broken on that wiki. I had to set my skin to MonoBook. Perhaps you could reach out to KayRandz, the local bureaucrat, at their local user talk page and volunteer to help out with that? Dmehus (talk) 16:23, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

I did. Thnx. Also I put up a gaming request. Bobkattwallace (talk) 16:26, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Bug, or glitch?

File:Bing results.PNG

The results for the site where I manage, is a "". While the first result offers the user, two more appear as if they were different pages, more is the same, this in the search engine. It happens in all search engines, be it Bing or Google. Again:

YellowFrogger (talk) 02:01, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi,

We've noticed it before. It's waiting on a fix from upstream as I don't think we found a good workaround. ~ RhinosF1 - _(chat)^{· acc· c} - (on) 06:06, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Archive bot Request

Hi Community, can i get an archive bot enabled on my [en.famepedia.org wiki]? probably 'Autoarchive/config'? Ugochimobi (talk) 11:44, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Meta uses Revibot which is operated by Revi. You would need to ask him if you want this exact bot. Otherwise, there should be a Pywikibot script for this. Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 12:30, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

There is also InternetArchiveBot --Rob Kam (talk) 13:09, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

How do i get InternetArchiveBot please?? Ugochimobi (talk) 13:48, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

InternetArchiveBot is a separate bot, which performs a separate function, which is to rescue cited sources (i.e., dead links) by replacing them with links from the Internet Archive. If you want that on your wiki as well, Cyberpower678 operates that, and you should be able to request it from him. Dmehus (talk) 14:11, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

I don't care the bot, all i need is an archive bot for famepedia please @dmehus Ugochimobi (talk) 15:04, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Or such as the archive bot that archives this community noticeboard, please Ugochimobi (talk) 15:05, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, so the bot that you want is Revibot, which I do see you've already asked Revi about. Dmehus (talk) 15:09, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes, but no reply yet! can you help out please! Ugochimobi (talk) 18:48, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I can't, as Revi is the operator of Revibot. He is likely busy with many things, as we're all volunteers. He should respond within a few days. Dmehus (talk) 18:49, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Okay Dmehus Ugochimobi (talk) 18:53, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I'm still very worried about not having an archive bot in my wiki 😥 Ugochimobi (talk) 15:30, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

I've procedurally merged your good-faith duplicate thread into this thread, to keep the discussion together. It's only been one day, though. I'm sure Revi will respond to your message at User talk:Revi as soon as he is able. Dmehus (talk) 15:36, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much Dmehus👍🏾 Ugochimobi (talk) 15:47, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

How do I set up Twinkle?

How would I setup Twinkle on a Wiki? Thanks, WikiJS talk 17:32, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

I am not completely familiar with Twinkle, but I know that there is a documentation page that can be found here. Not all of it applies to the version that is on Miraheze, but you can probably figure it out by looking there and on the Twinkle preferences page. Joritochip (talk) 23:43, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

@WikiJS: Do you just want to load the script for you (or everyone) or do you want to make it available as a gadget that can be enabled from Special:Preferences?

@Joritochip: The Twinkle preferences page is unrelated here. Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 10:17, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

I'd like the script to load for everyone WikiJS talk 12:50, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

@WikiJS: Then you can simply add the following line to your wiki's MediaWiki:Common.js:

mw.loader.load("https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Twinkle.js?action=raw&ctype=text/javascript");.

Note that this will load Twinkle for everyone on your wiki without following their preferences and the version of Twinkle that will be installed will be different from the version on Meta. If you want to use the Meta version, you should add the following line instead:

mw.loader.load("https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-Twinkle.js?action=raw&ctype=text/javascript");. Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 13:13, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. WikiJS talk 13:40, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Problems with posting talk discussions with flow on the Cancelled Movies Wiki

We seem to be having an issue with the Flow as I can't write on talk pages. Can a Steward help resolve this? Thanks. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 15:38, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

DarkMatterMan4500 If this is a user rights issue, I'd recommend reaching out to MarioMario456 to correct this. If he's unsure what the issue is, I can assist him by taking a look. If it's a technical problem, Phabricator would probably be the better place, but in any case, we need more details on what the issue is. I'll try and take a look and see if it's a user rights issue, though. Dmehus (talk) 15:40, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Alright, then I could file a task on Phabricator if MarioMario456 can't figure it out either. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 15:41, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Also, I keep receiving this error: "[6cca2fbcde71c63e07b6ce79] Caught exception of type Flow\Exception\NoParserException". DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 15:42, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

DarkMatterMan4500 Yep, I've just tested it and got [229cb5c7b5fedfde050d0cc8] Caught exception of type Flow\Exception\NoParserException. I wonder if this is related to Universal Omega's fix allowing the flow-board content model in Special:ManageWiki/namespaces? In any case, please create a Phabricator ticket, tasked as priority high. Dmehus (talk) 15:44, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Dmehus Just  filed it on Phabricator. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 15:51, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Please read my comment on this task. This is an upstream bug. Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 15:52, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

R4356th Oh, I had no idea he filed it before me. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 15:53, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it's related to that upstream bug you linked to, though, as then other wikis' StructuredDiscussions talk pages would not be working. This is a new wiki, so could be related to a local Miraheze configuration issue. In any case, I feel this needs a full local stack trace and investigation. Dmehus (talk) 15:57, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Images not displaying for FAMEPedia

Uploaded images are no longer displaying on famepedia. Even images from Miraheze Commons and Wikimedia Commons.
Take a look at my userpage for an example HERE
How can this be sorted out Ugochimobi (talk) 15:55, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Ugochimobi This looks like you've uploaded the images to your Famepedia wiki; however, I do see they're not loading. I wonder if this is a bug related to Reception123's mounting change to our static.miraheze.org file server? Could you please file a Phabricator task? Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 16:01, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

You already helped me file it here Thanks.

I really hope it should be resolved Ugochimobi (talk) 16:24, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

@Dmehus It hasn't been resolved yet😫 Ugochimobi (talk) 20:07, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Ugochimobi Not to worry, RhinosF1 has taken ownership of the task and did say, in #miraheze-sre ^connect on IRC that he expected to be able complete it within several hours (so, presumably, before his sleep time tonight). Dmehus (talk) 20:12, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Okay Dmehus thanks man. Ugochimobi (talk) 20:18, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Importing Wiki Pages From FANDOM

I would like to ask how to import pages from FANDOM into pages on this wiki. BookFandumb1 (talk) 22:12, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

BookFandumb1 I assume you mean your wiki, as this is Meta Wiki, the central coordination wiki for Miraheze. To import pages, you can do this in Special:Export on the Fandom wiki, download the XML dump, then in Special:Import on your wiki, select your XML file, locally assign edits where applicable, and enter wikia:fandomsubdomain in the interwiki prefix field, where subdomain equals subdomain.fandom.com. You may wish to export and import only one revision from each page, provided you include a log summary linking to [[wikia:subdomain:page name]], as this reduces the likelihood of your getting a 503 backend fetch failed error. If you want to import a lot of pages with all revisions, then it's recommended you request this on Phabricator and system administrators will run a maintenance script for you. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 22:18, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

To add on to Dmehus's comment above, depending on the size of your wiki, using Special:Export to obtain a dump might be inconvenient. If you are a sysop or bureaucrat on the Fandom wiki you are trying to export, it would be easier to request the creation of a dump by clicking the button at the bottom of Special:Statistics on your Fandom wiki and then waiting for the dump to be generated. Once it is generated, you can download it at the same place you requested it at without having to gather a list of pages yourself. Joritochip (talk) 22:33, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

It did not work and it said "Expected <media wiki> tag." BookFandumb1 (talk) 22:48, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Could you please post a link to your Fandom wiki so I could take a further look? Thanks Joritochip (talk) 23:55, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

The wiki got deleted, but I have the pages downloaded. BookFandumb1 (talk) 00:10, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Request for Reviewers user group on FAMEPedia

Hi, Miraheze Community, I humbly request that the Reviewers user group be made available in en.famepedia.org Special:ManageWiki/permissions. Thanks. Ugochimobi (talk) 08:36, 2 April 2021 (UTC) Hey! @Ugochimobi: Ask the Bureaucrat of FAMEpedia to create this permission by this link https://en.famepedia.org/wiki/Special:ManageWiki/permissions Shaunak Chakraborty (talk)

Please Shaunak Chakraborty which extention can be used to Provide the Reviewer user group?? Ugochimobi (talk) 11:27, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion Shaunak Chakraborty Ugochimobi (talk) 08:47, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

I think they were asking a question. Turtle84375 (talk) 18:57, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes please, What extension can i use to provide the Reviewers user group on the wiki?? Ugochimobi (talk) 19:25, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Ugochimobi The extension for which you're looking is PageTriage (also referred to as the Page Curation Toolbar on English Wikipedia) FlaggedRevs, I believe. It can be enabled in Special:ManageWiki/extensions on your wiki. Alternatively, you may prefer the simpler ApprovedRevs extension. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 20:09, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Sincere thanks @Dmehus Ugochimobi (talk) 20:29, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Ugochimobi,  no problem. Dmehus (talk) 20:30, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Dmehus, Let me quickly notify you that I have been able to create the Reviewers Usergroup.

Thanks very much! Ugochimobi (talk) 08:13, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

How do I enable Navigation Popups or Popups?

Can I know If its possible to enable navigation popups?? or to have it? Ugochimobi (talk) 10:19, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

@Ugochimobi: You can enable the Popups extension by going to Special:ManageWiki/extensions on your wiki. Details are available here. :-) Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 10:25, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Okay @R4356th Thanks. Let me see Ugochimobi (talk) 11:07, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Ugochimobi Since you also asked about Navigation Popups, the easiest way to enable this (for yourself) is to follow these instructions. If you want to install it as a gadget on your wiki for other users, it is not too difficult, but generally just involves importing several files and listing the gadget file at MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition on your wiki. Instructions for this should also be on that same page I linked. Note that the Navigation Popups gadget conflicts with the Reference Previews extension. That's not to say you cannot have both installed on your wiki, but it just means that a user cannot have both the Reference Previews extension and Navigation Popups gadget enabled in their preferences. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 14:05, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

@Dmehus I have actually installed It as a gadget on my wiki, and Yeah i actually followed the listed instructions here

It was indeed interesting Ugochimobi (talk) 14:17, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Redirection Issue

I have a button that links to a page on my wiki, but whenever I click on it, it just shows a "cannot load" page. Is there any fix for this? Sorry for the crappy quality, I had to convert the video to a gif.

Issue

 WikiJS talk 18:39, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

WikiJS Thank you for reporting this issue. We do prefer screenshots for these things be uploaded to Miraheze Commons, generally with a specific filename (including a date and timestamp in the file name is usually ideal). In any event, we can perform that housekeeping and migration later. Regarding your issue, I'm not sure I see the issue in the screenshot. Can you perhaps clarify what you mean and maybe upload a new version of that screenshot to File:Issue.gif circling or otherwise highlighting the problem? Dmehus (talk) 18:51, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

WikiJS Nevermind. I see that File:Issue.gif is an animated GIF. I've now  fixed the issue for you. The issue was your Template:Main Page, imported from MediaWiki.org, still had the www prefix. Dmehus (talk) 18:56, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Lost the password reset from Simple Electronics Wiki

On simpleelectronics.miraheze.org I've removed all permissions from anonymous (*) users. That has also lost the permission to use Special:PasswordReset and I can't find out how to re-enable it. Please advise. Rob Kam (talk) 23:25, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Rob Kam While I'm not sure which user right controls access to Special:PasswordReset, if I had to guess, I'd probably try editmyoptions first. Try re-adding that to the * group. If that doesn't work, try re-adding some of the other permissions from the default permissions—namely viewmyprivateinfo and editmyprivateinfo. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 23:28, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Rob Kam Looks like my theory was correct, as this MediaWiki.org documentation page indeed confirms that editmyprivateinfo controls access to Special:PasswordReset. Dmehus (talk) 23:34, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks that has sorted the issue out. Rob Kam (talk) 00:28, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Okay,  that's great. Thanks for the update. Dmehus (talk) 00:30, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

VisualEditor and permission restricting

I manage symbian, and to prevent spam, I have configured it so that only manually approved users can edit the wiki, by removing all edit rights from all user groups except bureaucrat and sysop, and creating a new "approved" group that has edit rights. However, doing this causes VisualEditor to complain that "You're not allowed to edit this wiki through the API" for users in the "approved" group. I have found this issue on Wikimedia Phabricator which seems to be what I'm encountering here. I don't fully understand the discussion in the thread there, but it seems that avoiding this problem requires configuration changes that requires backend access. Is it possible (within what's permitted in the Miraheze infrastructure) to keep the permission restrictions and use VisualEditor at the same time? --Jack980517 (talk) 04:58, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Never mind, I should have read it more closely. This comment says I just need to grant the "writeapi" right to the "approved" user group. Did just that and now it's working. --Jack980517 (talk) 05:08, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Nice  Done Ugochimobi (talk) 09:31, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Jack980517 While I'm not completely certain if one can edit on a wiki via the API with only the writeapi user right or if they'd also need the edit user right (making writeapi a contingent user right), I suspect the latter may in fact be the case. C.Syde65 has done fairly extensive research into MediaWiki user rights and contingent user rights, so may be able to provide that answer. In any case, if your wiki uses the StructuredDiscussions, the Flow talk page manager system user requires that user right as part of the * user group, ostensibly because it is a system user rather a regular, registered user account. It may work by adding the writeapi user right to the flow-bot user group instead, but I just haven't tested that. In any case, if the latter is indeed the case, that would mean writeapi is essentially useless without the edit user right, so would be no harm in leaving as part of the * to prevent unintended consequences. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 14:25, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

@Dmehus: I don't use StructuredDiscussions, and I did already have edit rights granted to the "approved" group. I just didn't expect that the "writeapi" right is necessary, as the description is vague, and I didn't think visual editing falls under API use (the user is not directly using the API after all). This is a weird situation that I hope upstream (MediaWiki) can get rid of. --Jack980517 (talk) 14:29, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Jack980517 Ah, okay, sounds good. Yeah, looks like you resolved it in a great way. I just thought that additional might might be helpful. In any case, yeah, hopefully, the MediaWiki.org development team can figure out a solution. Dmehus (talk) 14:41, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Interwiki P request for memes.miraheze.org

I request that the interwiki prefix of mp to be added/edited to link to memes.miraheze.org. Thank you, WikiJS talk 17:16, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

WikiJS Though there is a limited use case adding an interwiki prefix for the subject wiki to the subject wiki's local interwiki table, this is  done without the forward or transclude flags. If you are wanting to link to Memepedia from other Miraheze wikis, you can, of course, always use [[mh:memes:page name|optional displayed text]] in both edits and log actions. Dmehus (talk) 17:37, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

@WikiJS: I can see that Dmehus has already handled this request for you, which is great but I was just wondering if you were requesting the prefix to be added to Meta's interwiki table (which is also the global one). Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 17:47, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

I was talking about my local interwiki table, not the global one, as I don't see a reason for it to be stored globally. WikiJS talk 18:26, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying. I was just very confused. Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 13:22, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

You're welcome. WikiJS talk 18:36, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

What is the cause of this error when I try going on special pages?

on memes.miraheze.org, the special pages list is broken, and I get this error:

What is the cause of this? WikiJS talk 15:29, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

@WikiJS: Hi. Could you please see this task and reply to my question? Thanks! Reception123 (talk) (C) 17:39, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Seems like it's been created before this question, which I had no knowledge that that was on-going. I replied btw. WikiJS talk 18:33, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Help

How do I make my wiki editable by users that aren't logged in (IP address)? Cuz currently It's pages cannot be edit by an IP user Ugochimobi (talk) 17:02, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

@Ugochimobi: You can change that via Special:ManageWiki/permissions by assigning the "edit" right to *. Reception123 (talk) (C) 17:40, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks 🤸🏾‍♂️🤸🏾‍♂️ Ugochimobi (talk) 17:42, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Question about Importing

I offered to help a Wikia to move its content from fandom to Miraheze and I have the XML ready but I found out a few pages have already been manually moved there, since the wiki was created in January and I am starting to help just now (I manually moved each image in the last few days), so there are basically some pages which are both on Miraheze and in the XML. I read that this causes problems with importing, so how do I solve this? And even if this can be solved, the file is 6904 KB, is it small enough to be uploaded by myself or should I ask in Phabricator? Thanks in advance! Grand Albert (talk) 15:52, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

You can put the XML file into Special:Import, and it should import the page or pages if it can. I believe that there are no hard limits for XML files, but for other media, you will need to have below 250 MB. Please correct me if I'm wrong. WikiJS talk 15:56, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

I don't know if this problem effects only my wiki. When importing larger files, an error message can occur after some time. I hit "retry" until the error message vanished, then it seemed that all pages of the xml-files have been importes. Lily (Lilypond Wiki · talk to me · little garden · my wiki of everything) 16:45, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

I understand and thank you both for the answers, but I still need to know if having already some pages on the wikia will interfere with importing the xml. Grand Albert (talk) 20:52, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Also, what should I exactly put as Interwiki Prefix? Thanks. Grand Albert (talk) 14:39, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Grand Albert The interwiki prefix is very import when importing, as it defines the source wiki. If you are importing pages from English Wikipedia, for example, you would use wikipedia or w. If you are importing from Wikidata, you would use d. You can check the interwiki prefix at Special:Interwiki on your wiki, including any local overrides that may have been set (though I doubt that is the case in this case). Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 14:48, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

i imported css from wikipedia but the wiki recognizes it as a wiki page not a css page

As the title says.

https://spicys.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Routemap/styles.css

I tried deleting and creating it again though

- ZeroGamesKing (talk) 14:30, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

P.S theres also a lot of errors, I need help ZeroGamesKing (talk) 14:33, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

ZeroGamesKing This could be from a couple things. If you check Template:Routemap/styles.css on your wiki, can you go into the "Page Information" and see if the content model is "wikitext" or "CSS/JS". If the former, you will need to edit the content model of the page to "CSS/JS". Alternatively, your wiki may need the TemplateStyles extension, which you can enable at Special:ManageWiki/extensions. Regarding your post-script about script errors, please consider joining us on IRC in #miraheze ^connect or #miraheze-offtopic ^connect or on Discord, where we have many volunteers who can assist you in real-time. Thank you. Dmehus (talk) 14:51, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Gazateer request

My all things Asia wiki needs to be added to the gazateer for more exposure. Thnx. I messaged the person who created the wiki also. LouieeMiki (talk) 15:58, 10 April 2021 (UTC) LouieeMiki (talk) 15:58, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

@LouieeMiki: There is no editing restriction on the Gazetteer of wikis page. This is a wiki so you can edit this page yourself with your wiki information, it is not necessary to ask for permission. DeeM28 (talk) 17:58, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

What DeeM28 said above + I have fixed the link for you. Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 18:05, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Trust and Safety Group - Relisted Request

Good evening all,

This is a post to advertise a new volunteering position directly with Miraheze Limited, the company behind Miraheze. Following feedback from the Site Reliability Engineering team regarding responsibilities and expectations around Terms of Use/user safeguarding, we voted in our last meeting to form a new, entirely separate team to deal with these extreme matters. Today I can announce that following lengthy internal discussion, we are recruiting volunteers to support our newly formed Trust and Safety team. Role descriptor is available here for the new Trust and Safety Responder role. To be considered by the Board of Directors for the role, please send the application form to boardmiraheze.org before 23:59 (UTC) on Sunday, April 18th, 2021. Any questions please contact me via Discord or email. This is relisted due to a lack of interest during the first round. Thank you on behalf of Miraheze Limited, Owen (talk) 17:46, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

I am curious about the scope of application of this new group that will enforce the Terms of Use of Miraheze. How will it compare to the community positions such as Stewards? Which are the cases that would be referred to this group and not to Stewards? What will the criteria be for selecting users that will be part of this group? What would happen if a user that is not trusted by the community applied for the group, would the user's current standing in the community be a factor that the Board of Directors will take in account when selecting this user? DeeM28 (talk) 17:56, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Stewards are a community-elected and community governed position that does not have the responsibility for acting on Miraheze Limited's behalf in running the service. This new group would take away previously allocated responsibilities to the Site Reliability Engineering team in enforcing our Terms of Use, which governs the legal relationship Miraheze Limited has with its users. Cases that would be referred to this group, as currently happens with SRE, are things involving users using our services for illegal activity, abusing our resources in terms of breaching platform security/data privacy, and users who are acting against the Terms of Use which they agreed to when joining - these issues have never been reported to Stewards so nothing is changing in this regard. Users from within the community will be selected based on numerous qualities - position and standing in the community is one but given the sensitive nature of the information they may have access to, the information they may deal with, and the information the company may provide to them, they will be held to the highest standard possible by the company. As any actions would have a direct impact on the trust and confidence of the company, it would be unlikely a candidate who has lost the faith of the community would be considered as it would be illegitimate for us to hold them in such a position where their main priority would be working with and engaging with the community on important and sensitive matters. Owen (talk) 21:21, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your detailed reply, Owen. I am pleased to hear that a candidate's standing in the community is part of your consideration of the candidates for this group. DeeM28 (talk) 12:29, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Questions

Hi Community, Please how do I enable this reply stuff on my en.famepedia.org wiki? I mean this Discussion tools that has reply at the end of any discussion Ugochimobi (talk) 10:05, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

You can enable Discussion Tools onto the wiki in Special:ManageWiki/Extensions. WikiJS talk 12:21, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks man Ugochimobi (talk) 14:31, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Please @WikiJS: what is the extension name? Ugochimobi (talk) 15:00, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Ugochimobi It should be listed under DiscussionTools. Dmehus (talk) 15:02, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Its called DiscussionTools but I can't find that in my extensions... Ugochimobi (talk) 15:12, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Or I can't Enable it

Its actually not highlighted for me to enable Ugochimobi (talk) 15:14, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Try looking in additional settings WikiJS talk 15:18, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

It only requires Linter and VisualEditor which is already turned on Ugochimobi (talk) 15:30, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

hm, that's all I did to get it working for my wiki. Maybe there is a 'magic word' that activates it. WikiJS talk 15:33, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Ugochimobi Yeah, at least in non-talk namespaces, you need to add the NEWSECTIONLINK magic word to activate the DiscussionTools on the given page(s). You could add this to a template, then add the template to such pages, of course. And, yes, the Linter and VisualEditor extensions are prerequisites for the DiscussionTools extension. Dmehus (talk) 16:01, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Oh Lemme try it and give you a feedback ra @Dmehus: Ugochimobi (talk) 16:23, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

It did't work @Dmehus 😣 Can't you enable it for me over there? Ugochimobi (talk) 16:36, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

@Dmehus: It worked Immediately I added the magic word to one page, I went back to my extensions and saw that I can now enable it Ugochimobi (talk) 16:46, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Hrm, strange. You shouldn't need to have a magic word on a page in order to enable the extension. You should only need to add the magic word after enabling. Oh well, at least you got it resolved. :) Dmehus (talk) 22:45, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Yeah!! ;) Ugochimobi (talk) 14:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Is there a variable for the number of edits?

Hi, I found the variable {{NUMBEROFWIKIS}} which is the number of all wikis hosted on Miraheze. Is there a similar variable for the number of global edits of a user? Lily (Lilypond Wiki · talk to me · little garden · my wiki of everything) 21:10, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Lily Yeah, that's one of them, you can also use {{NUMBEROFWIKISBYEXTENSION:extension_dbname}}, as another. There are also a few others, such as {{NUMBEROFWIKISINCATEGORY:category_name}} and {{NUMBEROFWIKISINLANGUAGE:langcode}}. To my knowledge, there is no magic word for the number of global edits per user, but that would be a potentially useful magic word for sure. Dmehus (talk) 21:27, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

@Dmehus: Thank you for your reply. It should be possible for developers to create such a magic word because Special:CentralAuth shows this number, so the information must be somewhere in the system, Lily (Lilypond Wiki · talk to me · little garden · my wiki of everything) 10:55, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Lily Yeah, Universal Omega is planning on writing a new parser function extension, I believe, that would add various magic words that aren't Miraheze specific, so that is certainly a magic word that would be useful on Miraheze, Wikimedia, or other wikis/wiki farms that installed it. I don't have a timeline on when that extension might be developed, though. Dmehus (talk) 14:18, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Dmehus: Thank you, I would appreciate that very much and am looking forward to that feature, Lily (Lilypond Wiki · talk to me · little garden · my wiki of everything) 07:42, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Question for Content Policy

What does miraheze mean by incitement to violence? Sirlance3000 (talk) 17:50, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Sorry never mined I looked it up, incitement means to encourage so miraheze says not to encourage violence which makes prefect sense. Sirlance3000 (talk) 17:57, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Twinkle Error

Hi Community, I recenyly installed Twinkle on my wiki, but i always get this Protecting page: The tag "twinkle" is not allowed to be manually applied. (badtags) Error when i try to use it.... Please help. Ugochimobi (talk) 12:43, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

This has been sorted out! Thanks Ugochimobi (talk) 18:41, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

How to delete history and contribution lines ?

Tests created useless lines...
 Emmanuel (talk) 12:14, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Emmanuel Can you link to a couple example pages of what you mean? If it's what I think you mean, I assume you mean purging prior test revisions from the contribution and page histories. If that's the case, there is a deleteOldRevisions.php maintenance script that you can request Site Reliability Engineering run via a Phabricator ticket. Note that if there are other contributors to the page whose revisions are requested for purging, depending on the license the content is licensed, you may need their consent to the purging, to ensure CreativeCommons or other copyright licensing compliance. If that's not the case, and you merely want to hide the edit summaries or other aspects of contributions to your wikis, you can use revision deletion by adjusting the visibility of certain revisions on your wiki. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 15:45, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Exemples :

History : https://absolu.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Accueil&action=history

Contributions : https://absolu.miraheze.org/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:Contributions/Emmanuel

I created a tichet in Phabricator to ask deleteOldRevisions.php Thanck tou very mutch