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Header Footer Extension

I need help on using Header Footer extension. I followed instructions as appear on website. Still, I cannot display them on my wiki. Emad4ald (talk) 09:29, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

@Emad4ald: Hi, what is your wiki's URL and have you followed this? R4356th 2,943 Local Contributions Logged Actions Rights CentralAuth (talk) 11:48, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

How I change blockquote css?

In Editor I put blockquote tag,

and I want to change this style. Any idea? Bimagv (talk) 07:32, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

@Bimagv: Can you provide more information, such as a link to where the issue is? Some more details on what you are looking for exactly would be nice too. Thanks, Integer talk 19:38, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
I want to change css for this html tag: <blockquote>Mempelajari proses query</blockquote>. I can't find whereis file css in miraheze. Can you help me? Bimagv (talk) 11:51, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
@Bimagv: You can add styling for the blockquote tag in your wiki's MediaWiki:Common.css page. I hope this helps! R4356th 2,943 Local Contributions Logged Actions Rights CentralAuth (talk) 19:30, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Every page has "From <wiki name>"

My wiki ( is showing "From Dawn Project" in every single page since I imported several modules and templates from Wikipedia. I'm not sure how to troubleshoot/solve this. Any guidance is appreciated. Isagani (talk) 17:17, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Isagani This set by an interface message, and can be  resolved by blanking your MediaWiki:Tagline interface message. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 18:56, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Request to change the forwarding destination of interwiki links

About usopedia interwiki links The "cw" interwiki link was, but since the site has moved, I want a "cw" interwiki link to change for Thank you.

I'm sorry that the English text is difficult to understand because it was machine translated.--虎之介 (talk) 08:22, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

@虎之介: Hello, what is your wiki's URL? I can see three wikis which have the word "usopedia" in your global accounts list, one of which is private. Could you please clarify which one you are talking about? Private wikis need Stewards but public wikis' interwiki data can be changed by Interwiki Administrators. Thank you. R4356th 2,943 Local Contributions Logged Actions Rights CentralAuth (talk) 08:43, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
Ok. I will do soon.--虎之介 (talk) 11:44, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
@R4356th: It is Please deal with it. I'm sorry to late. --虎之介 (talk) 12:13, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
虎之介 This is now  done. Dmehus (talk) 13:01, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

What does "interwiki prefix" on special:import refer to?

 Pinsplash (talk) 13:08, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, what is the URL of the wiki you are importing from? R4356th 2,943 Local Contributions Logged Actions Rights CentralAuth (talk) 13:19, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
It's Pinsplash (talk) 14:24, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
Pinsplash The interwiki prefix is a critically important field when importing pages or templates with Special:Import on wikis. When specified correctly per your wiki's Special:Interwiki table, which includes the global interwiki table from this wiki, it will provide a link to the external wiki's user pages of each of contributors of the revisions from which imported. That wiki isn't in the global interwiki table, so any interwiki administrator or steward can add that to your wiki's interwiki table prior to you importing, if you wish. Dmehus (talk) 15:25, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Requests for interwiki

We need some new prefixes for using. Here are they.

On NMFWiki:

On NMFLWiki: (It was for MediaWiki Extensions' Chinese translations before, but we give up building and turn it into another sister project.)

Thanks, 开炸弹车 (talk) 14:39, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

 Doing… R4356th 2,943 Local Contributions Logged Actions Rights CentralAuth (talk) 15:25, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
I have  added all interwiki prefixes with the exception of prefixes which I am not too confident about. I am waiting for someone else to go through these links. In the meantime, could you please check if the prefixes I added are working properly? Please note that I have not checked the forward and transclude flags. Please let me know if you want me to change that. Thank you. R4356th 2,943 Local Contributions Logged Actions Rights CentralAuth (talk) 16:02, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
开炸弹车 I've added the prefixes above, as NetEase is a major Chinese web portal akin to and It's essentially like the Naver of China. So, I've
 added these for you. Separately, I noticed that your wiki doesn't use the GlobalUserPage extension; however, my user page link was blue. Would you mind deleting the good-faith local user page for me? In practical terms, it becomes very difficult for me to manage my local user pages, so, other than reviwikiwiki and csydeswiki, I generally prefer just to have a redlink on wikis without the GlobalUserPage extension enabled. Thanks! Dmehus (talk) 16:27, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
Thanks a lot. I have deleted the page and enabled the GlobalUserPage extension. --开炸弹车 (talk) 01:50, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
开炸弹车 Oh,  excellent. Thank you very much! Dmehus (talk) 01:55, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Issue with the Page Creator source code on the Viva Piñata Gameplay Page Creator.

You see, just days ago, my new wiki was recently created, but I seem to be having an issue with the Page Creator source code. It's not giving me the result I wanted. Is there any way that I could fix this issue? Please feel free to contact me as soon as you can. Thank you. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 15:07, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Enable the "InputBox" extension in the following location: Special:ManageWiki/extensions. --Anton (talk) 15:16, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
Oh yeah, that's right. I totally forgot about that. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 15:17, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
And it has been  fixed. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 15:18, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
Great! Now it seems to be working. It was nice to be helpful :) Anton (talk) 15:19, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 No problem! I'm glad you could help. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 15:37, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Redirect failure in Risapedia

Risapedia has suffered a failure in the redirects that change the title of the links. For example: If Link 1 were a redirect to Link 2, the title of Link 1 would be "Link 1" and clicking on it sends you to Link 2. But the failure makes Link 1 have the title of "Link 2" , as if [[Link 1|Link 2]] had been entered, but only [[Link 1]] was entered. Hope someone helps me, because I still can't locate the bug. --Anthony8IA (talk) 22:36, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Anthony8IA I assume you're talking about wiki redirects. Looking at Special:DoubleRedirects and Special:BrokenRedirects on your wiki, I see that you have only three of the former and none of the latter. So, that's great news. If you link to redirects, rather than the actual name of the pages, on your wiki's pages, and you have optional displayed (piped) text, then yes, you will need to also update the piped text when you update the link. This is not a bug, though; rather, it is intended and by design. You can save a bit of typing by using a pipe trick to automatically insert optional displayed (piped) text into the wikilink. Note that pipe tricks only work on wiki pages; not in edit and log summaries. Hope that helps. If I've misunderstood you, please clarify. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 23:23, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
Dmehus Thank you for answering my message. And no, that's not what I meant. What I meant to say is that redirects change the link title. If you browse the wiki pages a bit, you will notice some strange links. Taking what I said earlier, redirects cause links to act as if [[Redirection|End Page]] has been placed, when it is actually [[End Page]]. This problem damages shortcuts and hinders the writing of articles. To put it more clearly, if "PS5" were a redirect to "PlayStation 5", when placing in an article [[PS5]], instead of simply showing "PS5", it shows "PlayStation 5". I hope I have explained myself better. Anthony8IA (talk) 00:13, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
Anthony8IA I'm not aware of this being a bug, but I'm still not quite clear on what the problem it is you're trying to report. Can you link to a specific page on Risapedia, and point out a specific redirect where the problem occurs, please? Dmehus (talk) 00:21, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
Dmehus On the main page, in the section "¿Sabias Qué..." In the part where "República de Hisqáida" appears it should only say "Hisqáida" [1]. Anthony8IA (talk) 00:44, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
Anthony8IA Face-smile.svg Thank you. I do see this bug, and indeed, the displayed text of the first linked page is to the actual name of the page, not the linked redirect. I'm unsure if this is a Miraheze-specific configuration issue or an upstream MediaWiki core or extension bug. Given that this bug doesn't apparently occur on the Wikimedia wikis, I'm inclined to believe it is the former. So, could you please create a Phabricator task, clearly defining the problem, linking to the above example page(s)/redirect(s), and highlighting any step(s) to reproduce the issue? Assign the MediaWiki, Extensions, and Configuration projects, and triage the task as normal priority. When you're finished, returned to this thread, and link to the Phabricator ticket number. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 01:02, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
Ready Phabricator #T6803 Anthony8IA (talk) 01:40, 1 February 2021 (UTC) Amended to convert external link to an interwiki link and add clarity by Dmehus (talk) on 01:59, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
Anthony8IA  Great. We can follow that task there now. Dmehus (talk) 02:05, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Upload migration

Good thing that you are migrating to new hardware: happy to hear.

But how we ended up disabling upload that I am not really happy with.

Three questions:

  1. Why did Miraheze have to perform this this suddenly, unannounced?
    1. Devil's advocate: Universal Omega claimed "emergency" @ Discord (ref) but what kind of emergency?
  2. When will it finish? Tonight? Tomorrow? Next Week? Next decade? "as soon as possible" can be next century. You probably need to be more explicit about the ETA.

Communication is even more critical in emergency. If everyone doesn't have full insight on what is going on, it causes frustration for all parties involved.

Users don't know wtf is going on, so they ask the question, and sysadmins are unhappy because they keep getting same questions, and not really everybody reads the previous discussions. — revi 02:48, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

–revi I agree it could've been better announced. As far as our deadline goes, our existing server commitment is up on 3 February 2021, thus the urgency. However, Southparkfan is looking into whether we can possibly renew the existing cloud server on a no commitment basis for another month, if we need it. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 02:59, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

I have been blocked

I have been blocked on the wiki Schule der drei Meister. This wiki is private, I can't even read it (except the main page) and have not made a single edit, obviously. So why on earth did they block me? LilyLilyu - smile.svg (Lilypond Wiki · talk to me · little garden · my wiki of everything) 07:57, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

People sometimes do it to accounts they don't recognise. I wouldn't worry. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c - (WB) 11:00, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Lily Thank you for this request. While it doesn't require attention of global functionaries, largely this is the result of new wiki bureaucrats not being familiar with the fact that users cannot view private wikis unless added to the member group and also not realizing accounts are auto-added by CentralAuth. We could do well to better explain this in FAQ. Nevertheless, I'll try and reach out to the local wiki bureaucrat(s)' via their Meta user talk page and educate them on how private wikis work and that blocking users from private wikis, particularly when the public Main Page is sysop protected is rather useless. Dmehus (talk) 14:02, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for your answers. Afaik blocking does not even prevent a user from reading a wiki, am I right? Is there even a possibility in the MediaWiki software to block a specific user from reading? And even if so, they could just logout, LilyLilyu - smile.svg (Lilypond Wiki · talk to me · little garden · my wiki of everything) 05:26, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
If you're wiki was not part of a farm, you could make reading require an account and then use $wgBlockDisablesLogin to make it so blocking made the account unusable. For us, the account would have to be locked and the wiki marked as private but 'read' given to users. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c - (WB) 07:52, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

I want to check which feature can I add from this template to

I wrote a Phabricator ticket about a Wikipedia template I found, #T6768

The template provides some features for Wikipedia, but is customized. If we change the calls to Wikipedia for calls to Miraheze, maybe we could adapt some of that features to Miraheze? Some are already available. Category tree, Special:AllPages, and Random page are already possible in Miraheze, but category intersection and graphic I think need more work. What do you think? Is it possible to adapt some of these features to Miraheze? Avengium (talk) 19:52, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

@Dmehus: and @R4356th:, do you think putting features like category intersection or graphic is doable or should I forget about it? Avengium (talk) 11:12, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
@Avengium: Could you please share a specific example? Wikipedia can be using templates, interface messages, extensions etc. all of which can be used on Miraheze unless they rely on any (yet-to-be-released) MediaWiki version 1.36 feature. R4356th 2,943 Local Contributions Logged Actions Rights CentralAuth (talk) 12:44, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
Avengium I don't know what you mean by "category intersection and graphic," so can't really comment at this point on whether it's perhaps requesting either a local Miraheze configuration change or an upstream feature request, as applicable. Can you clarify this just a bit? Dmehus (talk) 16:35, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
@R4356th:, @Dmehus:, the names are names of features used and written on the template at and MediaWiki:Category-subcat-count.
Category intersection is what this wiki is using: one of the fields of that form is a "radio button" that says "Intersection" or "Union". That web is accesed automatically with the link on the template named "Intersección". That link is autocompleted to: That gives a feature.
Graphic is another feature, this time by: Graphic is a slow page so i think it spends more or make more actions. The graph is like an internet diagram,
In the Miraheze task i tried to explain myself about the features on the template i saw at: MediaWiki:Category-article-count. Avengium (talk) 18:03, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
@Avengium: I have not checked PetScan's code but it seems to be using the MediaWiki API. This is possible with JavaScript on wiki pages if you do not want to make an external website (which I would not recommend unless you are familiar with how APIs work). There are examples on that you can follow. If they do not help or you think I am misunderstanding your question, could you please post a more specific question? Thank you. R4356th 2,943 Local Contributions Logged Actions Rights CentralAuth (talk) 08:59, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
If you do end up deciding you want an external website like PetScan, you could do something like this. R4356th 2,943 Local Contributions Logged Actions Rights CentralAuth (talk) 09:05, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
hi @R4356th:, I think Petscan does a "category intersection", but I don't know how the original website works. Avengium (talk) 10:04, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Custom/fictional language script

I'm currently working on a fictional nation and a conlang with it. I would like to use a custom script (conscript) on my wiki, like in line with normal text. Is there any way to do this currently? Any help would be appreciated. Dread (talk) 13:52, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

@Dread: You could do this by creating a font file, hosting it on an external server, and then applying it to the text using CSS. You could also use images if that works for you. Which script do you want to use? ~ El Komodos Drago (talk to me) 14:29, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

A problem with blogs

Every time a user makes a blog on the wikis I manage, they get an error message stating a blog with the same name already exists (when really one doesn't) rather than letting them know that the blog was created successfully like when making normal pages. Is there any way I can fix this? --DeciduousWater534 (talk) 21:49, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Hey! I noticed this in your question and I will try to help. Is this a MediaWiki extension? If so, what? --Anton (talk) 12:26, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
The extension the wikis use for blogs is called "BlogPage". --DeciduousWater534 (talk) 00:18, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
DeciduousWater534 Can you link to a blog post on one of your wikis where this problem/error occurs? This should help diagnose this a bit. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 00:25, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Here’s a link to a recent blog post on Crappy Games Wiki.DeciduousWater534 (talk) 23:46, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Risapedia templates bug

Hi. The Risapedia has suffered another failure. This time it is in the templates. I thought that the wiki is Spanish language, the namespace "Plantilla:" changed to "Template:", which affects the wiki. Greetings. Anthony8IA (talk) 21:09, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

This may be related to #T6826. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 21:18, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
Please join IRC/Discord and let us know or leave a comment on the task if it's still affecting your wiki. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c - (WB) 08:23, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

How to solve Template loop detected

 Lukeseaver (talk) 06:30, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Remove the template that causes it to try and display itself. If you link to the page then we can advise. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c - (WB) 08:24, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
It'll always happen if you call a template into the same template. Make use of <noinclude> and <includeonly> to solve this issue. MarioSuperstar77 (talk) 12:22, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Requests for help regarding マイン乾布's massive vandalism on chakuwiki


chakuwiki was vandalized by マイン乾布 last night, and I'm here to request for help on several ways.

  1. The vandal has moved over 100 pages in a complicated way, and as it's hard to restore all by ourselves, we would like to request CVT members to help us recover the wiki.
  2. There have been several cases of spoofed admin accounts on chakuwiki, taking advantage of difficulty for confirming their identity because of recent migration and closure of the original wiki. Thus I'd like to request for globally locking such spoofing and vandalism-only accounts. They are:

Thanks in advance, Bakaba (talk) 22:44, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Bakaba Yeah, this should've been requested at stewards' noticeboard, but I can move this thread there afterward. In the mean time, looking at Special:Nuke for マイン乾布 on the given wiki, it looks like the page and redirect creations have been deleted already, unless the #REDIRECT [[Page Name]] needs to be manually removed/blanked first? Can you clarify a bit what, exactly, you would like done in terms of the vandalism remediation? In terms of the global locks, I can indeed handle that right now. Dmehus (talk) 22:58, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for locking.
As for the recovery, please check out their move log. This time, they have acted as a mass-and-random mover.--Bakaba (talk) 23:32, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
As a further note, I'd like to point out that アイレヴォ and Amberangel have acted as a seemingly good-faith account, and reverting their edits might be improper, unlike マイン乾布's obvious vandalism. Bakaba (talk) 23:38, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Bakaba Ah, okay. I'm a bit confused, though, with regard to edits by アイレヴォ and Amberangel. If they're being locked as vandalism only accounts, for which we obviously have to rely on your judgment due to your speaking Japanese fluently, why are they reverting vandalism by マイン乾布? I'll take a look at the move logs for マイン乾布, though. Dmehus (talk) 23:44, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
@Dmehus: I don't think they are reverting マイン乾布's edit, because they had been blocked locally before マイン乾布 vandalized the wiki. Those who are reverting now should be admins whose identities are confirmed. Bakaba (talk) 02:02, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
@Bakaba: I tried to revert a couple things that Amberangel left behind, but I noticed you reverted my edit on one of them, realizing I may have done an overkill at that point. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 02:40, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
I see that Dmehus has dealt with some parts of this request already. We would like to help out with the rest of your request, but we have some reservations as it is quite tricky to understand with the machine translation in order to see what is vandalism and what isn't, and we wouldn't want to revert something that isn't actually vandalism and create more work for you. Reception123 (talk) (C) 17:58, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
@Reception123, Dmehus, and Bakaba: What do you guys think should happen to the rest of those LTAs targeting the chakuwiki still going after the Japanese admins of that said wiki, if it helps with the investigation? DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 18:03, 10 February 2021 (UTC)


Is there any protection on Miraheze against hacking or similar behavior?

I am a little worried about someone, whom may or may not attempt to illegally get into my account. MarioSuperstar77 (talk) 21:25, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

MarioSuperStar77 I mean, it's users responsibilities to ensure their account(s) are secure. You should ensure you have a very strong password, at minimum, and a confirmed e-mail address associated to your account. You should also consider setting your preferences or global preferences to include notifications, via e-mail and on-wiki, of logins from unfamiliar devices. Finally, you may wish to consider enabling two-factor authentication; however, do not lose your scratch codes and ensure your e-mail address is kept up to date. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 21:29, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

I would like to add a bureaucrat in my wiki.

How can I add other bureaucrats ? I want to add my friend to manage this wikiItsKandar (talk) 14:55, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

ItsKandar  Great question! You can do this in Special:UserRights on your wiki. Hope that helps. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 15:12, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
Thanks! ItsKandar (talk) 15:34, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
 No problem! Dmehus (talk) 15:49, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

ManageWiki/Settings broken?

I was setting up my wiki, and after making several changes, I found out that somehow I can no longer save changes made on Special:ManageWiki/settings.

I can still submit the changes, but nothing happens.

I need to fix my logo URL to, but I have no idea what to do because I can't manage my wiki through ManageWiki/settings.

Can anyone help me solve this issue? Thanks. なのん団名誉顧問 (talk) 16:30, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

なのん団名誉顧問 Note that due to the ManageWiki UI's design, changes made will not show within the ManageWiki UI until you exit the UI and go back in to the given page. Also, check to see in your Special:Log/managewiki if the changes were saved. If they were, then there should be no issue here. Additionally, note that logo changes can take up to 24 hours sometimes to be fully changed as it is either a MediaWiki or a Varnish cache issue. You should also try to use Ctrl + F5 to force refresh your page. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 16:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Dmehus I've already checked RecentChanges and Log/managewiki only to find that no logs were made.--なのん団名誉顧問 (talk) 16:42, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Let me try testing for you then. Dmehus (talk) 16:45, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. I hope it will work fine.--なのん団名誉顧問 (talk) 16:48, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
なのん団名誉顧問 Okay, I tried to make the change, and nothing happened. So I wonder if this is a ManageWiki cache issue? I will {{ping}} Reception123 to this request and see if there's a maintenance script they can run on your wiki. Also, I noticed you had preceding the filename. Note that won't work, as you need to use the URL you posted above, ensuring your files are 135x135px. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 16:51, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Dmehus Thanks for trying. Indeed I found out it didn't when I logged out (I suppose it's because the wiki is private), which is why I need to fix it to the correct URL above.--なのん団名誉顧問 (talk) 16:55, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
なのん団名誉顧問 I've asked in #miraheze-sre connect. Paladox and Universal Omega responded, the latter of whom has seen the issue. It is an apparent upstream bug with regard to the data input validation used in the wgCosmosProfileTagGroups field. He will be temporarily enabling the SocialProfile extension, making the change needed, then disabling the SocialProfile extension and any extension-added user rights/groups. Dmehus (talk) 17:11, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Dmehus Thanks for the investigation. I have confirmed that it is now fixed.--なのん団名誉顧問 (talk) 21:41, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Japanese translation

Soon, we'll finish translating Meta content into Japanese! All that's left is Template:Mental Health Resources. I would like to thank the User:開拓者 and everyone else who translated many pages before I started the translation process. Thank you😎    Waki285(talk|contrib|log|CA|Target|WUM/ja)(I am a wiki creator and translation administrator) 01:37, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Waki285 Wow,  great work! I know you've certainly been active as a translator, but didn't realize you were this close to finishing the Japanese translations. Though we're not ready to prepare any new pages for translation, please do let me know if you're interested in doing Japanese translations on Miraheze Commons or Miraheze Template Wiki. Dmehus (talk) 01:46, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
Great work! claps R4356th 2,943 Local Contributions Logged Actions Rights CentralAuth (talk) 04:51, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
Indeed, that's great work! I think a round of applause is in order. applauds Sabelöga (talk) 06:12, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Question about wiki creators creating this own wikis

Hello. I am wondering if it is usually okay or encouraged that wiki creators create and approve their own wikis. In my personal opinion, I do not think it is really a problem even though I do think it would be encouraged that wiki creators have another one peer review their request for impartiality reasons. However, I do have to say that when I was looking at wiki creator activity, I came across this request and find it a bit unjust that a wiki creator can request/have their wiki created with such a short description that I imagine would in other circumstances mean that a wiki would get rejected. DeeM28 (talk) 12:17, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, I saw this request specifically and thought about it. Personally, if I request a wiki, I will have it approved by another wiki creator (because my COI rules) - excluding one request, I created wiki myself. Technically, wiki creators should be able to approve their own wiki requests, because they should know all rules, etc.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 12:29, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
DeeM28 Two things. First, yes, it's perfectly acceptable for wiki creators to approve or create, as applicable, their own wikis; however, they should define a clear purpose and scope for their wiki. I'm not sure whether I noticed that specific request by that wiki creator you mentioned, but I have noticed several approved wikis from that wiki creator with descriptions that aren't meeting our requirements, and have planned to engage with the wiki creator to remind them to ensure each wiki they approve had a clear purpose and scope per Content Policy. It's also worth noting that wiki creators can create their wiki directly, but convention or custom is such that it's recommended they still use Special:RequestWiki in most cases. Second, with regard to wiki creator activity, note that for the purposes of inactivity, the policy is three months of global community activity on all platforms, so one cannot merely assess wiki creating activity or even other activity on Meta, but rather, they must examine all activity (i.e., on all attached wikis, on GitHub, on Phabricator, and on Discord and IRC—some flexibility is allowed on the latter two platforms as not all channels are publicly logged). Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 16:13, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
@MrJaroslavik:, @Dmehus: Thank you for both of your answers, they were helpful. It would be useful to engage with that wiki creator as I think wiki creators do need to follow the same standards whether it is their own wiki or it is not. If I was a wiki creator I would do the same as MrJaroslavik and prefer that someone else created it in order for the process to be completely impartial. I have looked once again at Msnhinet8's wiki creations and something else that does concern me as well is that they are mostly creating their own wikis and not other requested wikis. Will this be part of your message to him? DeeM28 (talk) 16:29, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
DeeM28 I probably won't include this message, no, but I will likely or may link to this discussion and mentioned that others have shared similar concerns. In terms of whether a wiki creator approves their own wiki, I'm reluctant to endorse the idea that they should not approve their own wikis as I agree with MrJaroslavik above that they should understand Content Policy fully and define a clear purpose and scope for their wikis; rather, they should be certain that their description meets, or ideally exceeds, what we expect in terms of a defined purpose and scope for the wiki. I'll try and get to my note for the wiki creator in the next several days, though. Dmehus (talk) 16:39, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
@Dmehus: If I am not mistaken, in the past 6 months every approved request was for Msnhinet8's own wikis. I understand if some wiki creators want to approve their own requests; I do not think that is a terrible thing to do, but this wiki creator seems to only be approving his/her/their own requests and I do not think that is an adequate use of the tools and I also do not think that that was mentioned in the original wiki request. DeeM28 (talk) 16:45, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
DeeM28 Yes, I'm not sure if it was every request or not, but I have definitely noticed that most of their approved wikis have been apparently their own wikis. That's not great, to be perfectly honest, and something that I will address. The downside to them giving up the bit, though, is they are not fluent in English, and Google Translate is, well, not great, to say the least, with the Asian languages (especially Mandarin or Cantonese). Their wikis haven't been problematic from a Content Policy perspective, but my concern is just that if the bit were removed (either by them resigning or because it was later removed by a Steward), is that they may have difficulty articulating the purpose for their wiki. We really could use a wiki creator who speaks both fluent Mandarin, Cantonese, and English, in my opinion. Dmehus (talk) 16:53, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for your response and I am glad that you will address it. I fully agree that wiki creators who understand and can speak more languages are very much necessary. There is a little irony with the last part however as they are not currently articulating the purposes clearly in either language 😉. DeeM28 (talk) 16:58, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
Agreed, and I do see the irony there. Dmehus (talk) 17:30, 18 February 2021 (UTC)