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== Request for Deleting All Translations By [[User:Shaunak Chakraborty|Shaunak Chakraborty]] ==

All the translations done by {{ping|Shaunak Chakraborty}} are filled with issues. They have many formatting issues and I suspect those are instances of unedited machine translation. Considering they have made 628 edits in the Translations namespace, I think a Phabricator task should be created requesting this instead of trying to do this monotonous work by hand. Thank you. {{:User:R4356th/Signature}} 11:52, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

:Bump. If nobody objects within the next 48 hours, I am going to proceed with this and request deletion on Phabricator. {{:User:R4356th/Signature}} 06:50, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
::I'm not sure if it's a good idea to simply declare all of someone's translations as problematic and order a complete purge. I think the user should at least be given a chance to defend themselves first, and 48 hours would not be enough. So I propose we wait and see what {{ping|Shaunak Chakraborty}} has to say about these allegations. [[User:Reception123|Reception123]] [[User talk:Reception123|(talk)]] ([[Special:Contributions/Reception123|<span style="color:#47C326; font-weight: bold;">C</span>]]) 06:56, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Reception123}} It will be about 72 hours since this request has been created. As you can see, I have taken care to ping the user in question above. But if you still want, I am okay with waiting till 14th April. {{:User:R4356th/Signature}} 08:02, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
:::{{ping|R4356th}} Don't you feel that deleting someone's work is simply insulting the user's hardwork. If you feel that the translations are not correct then mention the pages which needs correction. I will rectify each an every page which you will mention. [[User:Shaunak Chakraborty|Shaunak Chakraborty]] ([[User talk:Shaunak Chakraborty|talk]])
::::{{ping|Shaunak Chakraborty}} Hi, thank you for your reply. First of all, this request is not meant to insult anyone and I appreciate everyone's translation work. It is just unedited machine translation that I hate. Now, there are a lot of issues in your translations and I think you would be better off starting from the beginning. Nevertheless, I have made an '''incomplete''' list of such pages [[User:R4356th/Translations with Issues|here]]. Please expect the list to be expanded later. Thank you. {{:User:R4356th/Signature}} 10:51, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::Also, please consider adding a timestamp to your signature. Signatures without timestamps will cause errors after we upgrade to MW 1.36. {{:User:R4356th/Signature}} 10:53, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
:::I agree with [[User:Reception123|Reception123]] here. I'm quite uncomfortable with a [[Phabricator]] task merely to delete ''all'' translations on the basis of being ''suspected'' machine translations, particularly with the user in question never having been guided as to our approach to translations. Machine translations, while somewhat problematic for native speakers, are not terrible, and can nonetheless be improved upon. We also don't know whether all or some of them were unedited machine translations, too. So, while I'm not opposed to deleting some poor quality translations, I would rather identify a list of pages, post them here (or in a subsequent thread on [[Meta:Administrators' noticeboard|here]]), and delete them in the normal course and method&mdash;that is to say, by marking the pages for deletion and having [[User:FuzzyBot|FuzzyBot]] process the applicable deletions. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 13:06, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
::::Perhaps my usage of the word "suspected" was not strong enough/did not provide enough context. If you check the list of pages I have created, it will be clear to you why I have said that. "particularly with the user in question never having been guided as to our approach to translations" Hmm? Have you checked their talk page? I left a message months ago. {{:User:R4356th/Signature}} 14:37, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::No follow up at all from {{ping|Shaunak Chakraborty}}. Could we proceed with deletion, please? {{:User:R4356th/Signature}} 14:32, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
::::::[[User:R4356th|R4356th]] I'm not willing to consider a [[Phabricator]] mass deletion as you originally proposed, but if there are specific pages you can list which are either (a) not translations, (b) barely started translations (i.e., less than 30% completed), or which otherwise have issues, please list them here, and we can consider deletion on a case-by-case basis. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 14:40, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::::Why? I thought I made it clear that almost all if not ''all'' translations have issues. It would be a waste of our time if we wanted to "consider deletion on a case-by-case basis". {{:User:R4356th/Signature}} 14:43, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
::::::::[[User:R4356th|R4356th]] Well, for one thing, case by case basis doesn't mean one page at a time. You can still list multiple pages in this thread, but I want to see clear and specific issues '''necessitating deletion'''. Machine translations on their own are not prohibited, provided they've been done in [[w:WP:AGF|good-faith]], and there's no indication Shaunak Chakraborty's translations were not done in good-faith. They can be improved upon by other native Hindi speakers. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 14:46, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Shaunak Chakraborty|Shaunak Chakraborty]] did reply above previously, so I'm inclined to at least give them another chance to further respond to you (perhaps link specific pages) rather than proceeding to a full purging of all their work. They might have issues but I would still feel uncomfortable with dismissing another translator's work without hearing more from them first. I also find it quite problematic that  it is said to be a "suspicion" and not certainty regarding the translations being machine translations. [[User:Reception123|Reception123]] [[User talk:Reception123|(talk)]] ([[Special:Contributions/Reception123|<span style="color:#47C326; font-weight: bold;">C</span>]]) 14:54, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::{{ping|Dmehus}} I am well aware of the fact that using machine translation is not prohibited. I myself use it. My concern is that Shaunak Chakraborty's translations are unedited and have a lot of issues anyone can notice even without knowledge of Hindi. One of the first things you see when you visit a new website should never be messy translation. Trust me, that is a very unpleasant experience.
:::::::::{{ping|Reception123}} "@Shaunak Chakraborty did reply above previously, so I'm inclined to at least give them another chance to further respond to you (perhaps link specific pages)" Hmm? I linked an incomplete list of pages above. "I also find it quite problematic that it is said to be a "suspicion" and not certainty regarding the translations being machine translations." Something I said above- Perhaps my usage of the word "suspected" was not strong enough/did not provide enough context. If you check the list of pages I have created, it will be clear to you why I have said that. {{:User:R4356th/Signature}} 17:57, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ping|R4356th}}Oh! I am extremely sorry I will look into this as soon as possible. Actually, for 2 weeks, I'm working with COVID relief teams management, organizations and extremely busy in that which is, of course, my first priority, please excuse me for some time. [[User:Shaunak Chakraborty|Shaunak Chakraborty]] ([[User talk:Shaunak Chakraborty|talk]]) 19:35, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::::No problem. Thank you for responding. {{:User:R4356th/Signature}} 20:43, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{ping|Shaunak Chakraborty}} Updates, please. {{:User:R4356th/Signature}} 11:46, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::::::...--[[User:MrJaroslavik|MrJaroslavik]] ([[User talk:MrJaroslavik|talk]]) 19:40, 4 June 2021 (UTC)