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This page is for community discussion. Official actions/requests should be made at Stewards' noticeboard
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  • Ask questions about Miraheze
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If you want:

Please remember to:

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  • Talk in a calm, and respectful manner (we're all here to help each other after all)
  • Be descriptive of the problem


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Is a namespace mandatory?[edit | edit source]

Hi to everyone,

I am new to the business and this (crf250l.miraheze.org) is my first Wiki. Could someone help me understanding the namespace feature? While uploading pictures, I recently get a message like "The file 'user.jpg' already exists. Do you want to overwrite it?"

So, as far as I understand, I'm uploading in the main directory by default and I need to create my own directory or namespace. Is that correct and, if so, could you tell me how to do so?

Best regards, Michael


Most simply put, when uploading files, you need to make sure that each file has a unique name, otherwise it will overwrite an existing file. There is no way to create another namespace for files. If the file you are currently attempting to upload should not exist (you have not previously uploaded it), then it should be fine to overwrite. -- Void Whispers 20:41, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply. Regarding my own files, all filenames are unique, but as far as I understand they collide with files uploaded by other users. For example, while uploading a picture called "Titelseite.jpg" (which means startpage in english) I got a message that a file called Titelseite.jpg already exists. That message occured while uploading the very first picture to my wiki and there was no content at all. The existing file was shown by the system. It was a Picture I have never seen before, showing a Detail of someone else's furniture.
There is a wiki extension, I do not know if it is enabled on your wiki, that provides that media files that exist anywhere in MediaWiki appear to already exist on your wiki. You are free to override any name so that it refers to your own upload rather than a MediaWiki file. This might account for the surprise you experienced. Spıke (talk)02:20 22-Feb-2019

How to change filenames starting with a "ß"?[edit | edit source]

I imported my Wiki from Wikia to Miraheze with the export/import function. In the old Wiki there were filenames that started with a "ß" and in the Miraheze Wiki they are somehow translated to "SS". In the filecategory I can see the files starting with a "ß" but when I click on them they start with "SS" and it seems that they don't exist under the new filename. When I upload the file again with the "SS" name I get a message that that file already exists under the old name. I can't delete the old files because there is no way to get acces to them.

Example If you click on this link and you scroll to the end you can see the files starting with a "ß" but when you click on them the open with "SS".

Is there a solution for this?

--Eelco (talk) 09:21, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

@Eelco: Sorry for the late response, this seems like quite a complicated language related issue. We will look into it however. Reception123 (talk) (C) 08:25, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Is Visual Editing possible?[edit | edit source]

Hi. I was wondering if there's a way to edit a wikipage with visual editor instead of the classical editor and if so how.

If you are a bureaucrat on a wiki, you can enable Visual Editor using Special:ManageWikiExtensions. -- Void Whispers 20:01, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Visual Editor error[edit | edit source]

each time I try to edit using visual editor a box shows up saying this "Error loading data from server: apierror-visualeditor-docserver-http: HTTP 404. Would you like to retry?". Each time I click retry it brings back the same box and asks me to retry again. The box doesn't let me use Visual Editor. How do I fix this?

Wait about ten to twenty minutes, some changes have to go through the servers first before they work properly. -- Void Whispers 20:35, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Visual Editor Does not Load[edit | edit source]

For some reason when I try to use visual editor it just doesn't load. When I click it a bar shows up and it starts filling up. It fills up more than half way but then just stops and doesn't keep loading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FearThePugs (talkcontribs)

I cannot confirm this issue with the details you have provided. Where is this issue taking place? What specific page? Are you getting any errors? -- Void Whispers 03:08, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

It is taking place in all pages in my wiki. It does not tell me that there are any errors (just the bar that I described). — Preceding unsigned comment added by FearThePugs (talkcontribs)

@FearThePugs: I have made the assumption that the wiki you are talking about is the one you requested (infamousreignwiki) and have taken a look. I tried using VisualEditor on your wiki and encountered no errors with it. Please tell us your browser and its version, as that could possibly be the issue. Reception123 (talk) (C) 12:46, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Mozilla Firefox version 65.0 — FearThePugs 11:41, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

@FearThePugs: That should be fine. Please try clearing your cookies and then try to edit again, and let me know if it works after. Also, please sign your posts with ~~~~. Reception123 (talk) (C) 06:11, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
@Reception123: After clearing cookies it still doesn't work - FearThePugs 11:41, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Some help with the Analytics[edit | edit source]

Hi,

I have two questions regarding the MatomoAnalytics special page:

  • Is there a way to see the number of unique visitors in the last month? I can see several detailed statistics, which is great, but having the total number of visitor is essential for this kind of page, in my opinion. Has this been considered, or should I open a phabricator task?
  • For the numbers that are actually there, I'm not sure what time period they represent. The past month, an average, something else?

Thanks in advance! :) --Ondo (talk) 22:34, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

@Ondo: That is currently not possible, and I am not sure if there is anything that we can do about it, but possibly. So yes, I think it would be best if you opened a Phabricator task requesting this. Reception123 (talk) (C) 05:52, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
done, thanks. Any ideas on the second question? --Ondo (talk) 16:41, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
@Ondo: Which numbers are you referring to? Reception123 (talk) (C) 17:28, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
@Reception123: For example, Browser Usage or Number of Pages Accessed. --Ondo (talk) 17:30, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
@Ondo: It is monthly. Reception123 (talk) (C) 19:40, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks! --Ondo (talk) 11:21, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

How do I view past edits on a page that has been deleted?[edit | edit source]

I'm from FANDOM, and another user there has been causing trouble and is now very angry. In his anger, he created propaganda pages about me and some other FANDOM users I know on the atrocious fandom users miraheze. I didn't take a screenshot as proof of this in time, and now the user that created the pages has deleted them. Is there any way to view past edits on pages that are now deleted so I can take a screenshot?

Here are the pages: page 1, page 2, page 3, page 4.

If the pages have been deleted, they can only be viewed by a local administrator or a staff member. What do you need these pages for? -- Void Whispers 22:30, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

InfoBox[edit | edit source]

Is there a way I can add infoboxes into my wiki (like the ones on wiki fandom)? I have looked into the extensions and haven't found anything I could add to my wiki that is to add an infobox. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FearThePugs (talkcontribs)

@FearThePugs: Please see User:Void/Infoboxes. Reception123 (talk) (C) 09:03, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
@Reception123: Do I just import this into my wiki? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Export&pages=Template:Infobox%0AModule:Infobox%0AModule:Navbar%0AModule:Arguments%0AMediaWiki:Common.css&wpDownload=1 . Or do I have to edit it before importing it to the wiki (as in adding info).
@FearThePugs:, I'm afraid that in this case @Reception123: appears to be barking up the wrong tree. To enable fandom infoboxes you need to go to Special:ManageWikiExtensions and enable PortableInfobox. To create an infobox you need to go to template:<name_of_infobox_here> and then use the format explained here (we don't have infobox builder). Glad you've decided to leave fandom, they have become as crooked as a canine's hind leg and it is turning into a real doghouse.
~ El Komodos Drago (talk to me) 23:02, 23 February 2019 (UTC) who enjoyed working in the dog references.

Is Miraheze supports interwiki links to other Miraheze-powered wikis?[edit | edit source]

I was wondering how links work when it comes to interwiki links. I tried a few tests below, so send me some feedback about the tests.


communitycentralbympteam:Bulletins:Community


If it does not work, my suggestion is support interwiki links to other wikis. Maybe I'm stressed out to insert external links to other wikis each time. --DekuPH2006AJHalili (talk) 09:57, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, we have general interwikis for other Miraheze wikis, which should be [[mh:wikiname:fullpagename]]. As for the example above, thus, the interwiki should be written as: [[mh:communitycentralbympteam:Bulletins:Community]].--開拓者 (The Pioneer) (talk/contribs | global🌎) 10:08, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
That's nice, but what if I host some external site (for instance, a wiki on one on my own servers) and want to point the miraheze: entry on Special:Interwiki somewhere? If I create a link to a page like https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/mh:communitycentralbympteam:Bulletins:Community from outside, it doesn't get me whatever's on Bulletins:Community locally here, it gets me an error message. Carlb (talk) 22:38, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
The links are only done by changing the way the software renders links on a page. In this regard, it is rather limited, as it does not allow you to use the full features of interwiki links. I'm not too certain how to accomplish what you are asking, but wouldn't it be easier to simply link directly to communitycentralbympteam.miraheze.org/wiki/Bulletins:Community? -- Void Whispers 23:39, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
There are over 3000 individual Miraheze wikis. If I'm some random sysadmin of some random outside, external wiki I might be willing to add one miraheze: entry to the interwiki table on my site, much like I have one interwiki for wikipedia:. I'm not going to add 3000 individual Special:Interwiki entries to each of 3000 Miraheze projects, many of which are inactive or largely empty - but if the whole thing could be done on one interwiki prefix, that at least is viable.
As an example of how this works, the wikipedia: interwiki prefix on most non-WMF sites points to just one of the hundreds of wikis in the Wikimedia family, perhaps (most commonly) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/$1. So what happens if one of my users wants to link to Wikivoyage's article on Montréal. Wikivoyage is part of Wikimedia, but I don't have a direct interwiki pointing to fr.wikivoyage.org. No problem. I have an interwiki to en.wikipedia, so a user can wikilink [[wikipedia:voy:fr:Montréal]] and Wikipedia's server will unpack the resulting mess ( https://en.wikipedia.org/voy:fr:Montréal ) as it recognises voy: as a local interwiki to the Wikimedia sibling, which in turn will recognise fr: as a language interwiki, which will eventually land on "Montréal est la plus grande métropole du Québec..." in Wikimedia's French-language travel guide et tout va bien. I don't need to know whether voy: is a page namespace, a language code, another interwiki or just part of the page title; I send all the outbound-to-WMF links to Wikipedia and let their server handle redirection to individual sibling wikis.
If you're relying on the wiki which contains the outbound link to know that "communitycentralbympteam" is a subdomain and "bulletins" is a namespace? The software running a site located outside Miraheze doesn't grasp this distinction and shouldn't need to do so. Modifying the outbound link on the originating wiki only works if that site knows your URL structure (including any custom domains or subdomains for individual projects) and is running non-standard software to try to figure where the link is supposed to go. That's not going to happen, as the site sending traffic to you is running stock versions of the code which make just the one ($1) substitution and do no other parsing. The end result is that users of other wikis can't link mh:projectname:pagename as an interwiki link, so instead must use plain external links - complete with that pesky "nofollow" attribute which tells search engines to ignore those links as potentially being spam. Carlb (talk) 01:12, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
Ah, I see what you mean. I'll take a look at getting this done at some point soon. -- Void Whispers 20:28, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Problems[edit | edit source]

Here at Miraheze, we encountered some problems. First of all, there are too much wiki requests waiting for approval, so we either have to add more wiki creators or let registered users access the Special:CreateWiki page to create a wiki. Thank you. LegoMasterSend me a message! 10:41, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

I agree with the part that we need more wiki creators. You can become one by yourself, if you make a request here and it succeeds. However, I don't think we should allow any users to create a wiki. Unlike Wikia/Fandom, we run on donations, and allowing to host malicious or/and invalid wikis without checking can cause severe damage not only to our servers but also to our finances.--開拓者 (The Pioneer) (talk/contribs | global🌎) 17:13, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
I dont want to make a request because not enough global edits LegoMaster (talk - contribs - logs - uploads - global contribs) 04:36, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
To add to LegoMaster's statement, I initially found the wiki creator tool very intimidating. Very rarely does one run into a non-automated system on the internet these days and when you are normally asking for something big (Wikia uses it for adoptions) and it frequently becomes quite complex. Now the Miraheze system is neither but conveying that to users is difficult. ~ El Komodos Drago (talk to me) 22:49, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
@LegoMaster: Wiki creator does not require that many global edits. Since you have already been monitoring the request queue and have reminded us that there are unreviewed requests, I think it would be fine for you to request wiki creator. Reception123 (talk) (C) 05:51, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
I think that people will put an oppose vote because not enough experience LegoMaster (talk - contribs - logs - uploads - global contribs) 11:11, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

help me with my wiki[edit | edit source]

I have this wiki, and script errors kept showing up. I need someone from Fabricator to fix it, or a Lua module editor, or someone who is familiar about Lua modules. LegoMaster (talk - contribs - logs - uploads - global contribs) 10:51, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

@LegoMaster: Which pages have these script errors? Reception123 (talk) (C) 17:51, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Please add these statistics to Special:Analytics[edit | edit source]

Please can we have data about screen size and operating system available in Special:Analytics. ~ El Komodos Drago (talk to me) 11:31, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

@El Komodos Drago: Yes! I have now added these two options to Analytics. Enjoy! Reception123 (talk) (C) 18:17, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Need to attach my accounts[edit | edit source]

I currently have a second account on the Nonciclopedia.org wiki that according to my account manager is not attached to the global account. Can someone help me into doing it? Is the problem because that account was made when that wiki was on a different server than Miraheze? -Phantom Dusclops'92 (talk) 21:57, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

@Phantom Dusclops: That could well be a problem, as Miraheze has global accounts that apply across individual wikis. Users imported from another server are not attached to your other account here. The best solution is to settle on a single Miraheze identity, and write sufficient documentation to tell Nonciclopedians you are the same person. Spıke (talk)23:24 6-Mar-2019
Looks like someone didn't document this, but it's already been fixed. -- Void Whispers 00:28, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Development of Structured Wikiquote[edit | edit source]

Hi,

It’s been a long time since a multilingual, Wikibase-based version of Wikiquote has been proposed and supported Meta-Wikimedia but it seems the Wikimedia Foundation & Wikimedia Deutchland don’t care (they don’t care much of anything else than WPedia, commons & WData). Could Miraheze host it & would it be any interrested developpers ?

Thank you — CreativeC (talk) 21:07, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

@CreativeC: Yes, (as long as they respect our policies) any wiki is welcome at Miraheze! Reception123 (talk) (C) 17:59, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
@Reception123: Thank you. Now to find motivated devs -- CreativeC (talk) 19:10, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
But could Miraheze accept regular updates of the Structured Quote extension (even a restricted FTP access to the specific wiki ?) ? -- CreativeC (talk) 19:13, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
I don't understand this, as the real Wikiquote is working well, and some of its pages are multilingual. I am not a contributor but an occasional reader, but how would you motivate developers to begin work on the same thing with a different underlying design (perhaps more "structured" than the original?) Spıke (talk)23:22 6-Mar-2019
@Spike the Dog: Wikiquote can’t be used as a database and thus reused by other website. Also Wikiquote isn’t a multilingual-wiki; meaning that you have to re create a page of an author dozens of time to translate the same quotes + it slows the work as communities don’t meet others so much. Also WikiquoteS aren’t really known, so maybe merging it into a single community will make it famous —CreativeC (talk) 21:18, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Adding/installing custom fonts[edit | edit source]

How do you go about installing custom fonts? I only need to use a handwriting style font in a template. I don't want to change the font for the whole site. The font in question is called charm and is available on google fonts. Thanks. Borderman (Talk) 09:28, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

I think I've done it, just not sure if it's the correct way. I added the following to the beginning of commons.css @import url("https://font.googleapis.com/css?family=Charm"); and then set the font-family in the template, which eventually changed the selected text to the desired font. For future references, is there another way of doing this or is the easiest way. Borderman (Talk) 13:21, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that's the easiest way to do it, as it's what I would have suggested doing. -- Void Whispers 17:08, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
That is more than I knew about invoking them. Regarding not changing the font for the whole site, this will happen automatically; you have to specify style to get it to be used. Either a new rule in MediaWiki:Common.css (and the rule can state which picture elements it applies to); or in an individual picture element. Spıke (talk)21:48 7-Mar-2019

Problem with the queue, again.[edit | edit source]

(Originally under the original problem discussion thread but decided it was better to post here)

The problem with the queue being filled with wikis has resurfaced, 9 wikis are in the queue to either be declined or accepted. Please take a look at this when you can. JoeBee James (talk) 17:40, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Dormancy policy exemption[edit | edit source]

Not sure if this is the right place but @John: told me to request on Meta.

Please exempt my wiki - weather.miraheze.org from the global dormancy policy so that no inactivity remedies will be taken against it.

Please see https://weather.miraheze.org/wiki/Weather_Wiki:News/March_2019_Inactivity for more information. Amanda Catherine (talk) 02:25, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

@Amanda Catherine: Usually they are done on Stewards' noticeboard but I guess this is fine. As for the exemption itself, the issue I see is that there is not enough content on the wiki to justify an exemption for "Wikis made to be read, where a lot of information is already on wiki and doesn't need to be actively edited." While weatherwiki has many pages regarding policy, there are only 4 actual content pages (including the Main Page). I would like someone else's opinion on this, but I would be inclined not to accept the exemption because of this reason. Reception123 (talk) (C) 07:29, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
I was under the impression that “founder request” was a valid reason for an exemption. But if it isn’t anymore, fine, just please don’t close/delete/whatever the wiki without emailing me per what I linked to above. Amanda Catherine (talk) 21:06, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
Just a passing comment but Miraheze doesn’t recognise “founders” but communities. John (talk) 21:47, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
I'm sorry about the intrusion, but I'm taking advantage of it. Reception123, John. In my Ucroniaswiki wiki, I am working on content articles in the Taller and Lista namespaces rather than in the main space for various reasons: Articles should be complete before moving them to the main space and that for the moment, the article counter does not count them until they are finished.
If in the future, my wiki has more than 100 articles with content in the Taller and Lista namespaces and none in the main space. Can't you still ask for an exception? Ucronistaw (talk) 19:27, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Twitter cards[edit | edit source]

A "Twitter card" is code in a web page that lets Twitter display a graphic inside a tweet that cites the web page. The code consists of several META tags in the HEAD of the web page, whereas stuff we code inside an edit window goes into the BODY of the web page. I could write JavaScript in my website's MediaWiki:Common.js to move it, just before the page is rendered. But it's not clear that the Twitterbot renders the page at all. Has anyone already completed this exercise and can you offer advice or examples? Spıke (talk)17:06 10-Mar-2019

You're making this harder than it needs to be, just install and extension to do it for you.
~ El Komodos Drago (talk to me) 09:31, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
@El Komodos Drago: It's a deal! Which one, please? Spıke (talk)10:49 15-Mar-2019

Meta:Requests for permissions[edit | edit source]

I have requested rights like 5 days ago. Can anybody vote? LegoMaster (talk - contribs - logs - uploads - global contribs) 10:21, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Need three special pages for my wiki[edit | edit source]

This wiki needs three special pages. They are Special:CreateBlogPosts, Special:NewestBlogPosts and Special:Chat. The three special pages are similar to this wiki's three special pages. I don't know what it has to do with Phabricator. LegoMaster (talk - contribs - logs - uploads - global contribs) 10:41, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

If you go to Special:ManageWikiExtensions and enable SocialProfile, Comments, VoteNY, and MediaWikiChat then enable BlogPage then you will get Special:Chat, Special:CreateBlogPost, and hopefully Special:NewestBlogPosts.
~ El Komodos Drago (talk to me) 09:27, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Wikia Uncyclopedia[edit | edit source]

In response to Wikia's decision to cease hosting the original Uncyclopedia, editors are now voting among four new candidates for a new home. I advocated Miraheze but this got no traction (Uncyclopedia Admins apparently wanting an anxious sales pitch from Miraheze Stewards) until The Pioneer followed up. In the voting discussion, the current site notice stating that capacity is low and "updates will fail" has been cited as a reason not to choose Miraheze; also the deteriorating state of finances. Spıke (talk)10:49 15-Mar-2019

@Spike the Dog: Well, unless people donate there is nothing we can do, we are a non-profit and that is how this whole site lives, from donations. Where is the discussion page? Reception123 (talk) (C) 05:53, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
Found it! Will comment. Reception123 (talk) (C) 05:57, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
Yes, thanks for doing so, and for clearing up misperceptions. There are people in that discussion from the other three candidate webhosts actively advocating for themselves. Spıke (talk)17:14 16-Mar-2019

I've asked some questions relating to this here on Talk:Miraheze. I should probably have posted them on this noticeboard instead. Flyingcat (talk) 23:56, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Probably Stewards' noticeboard, as it is more for wikifarm management than for the community. Spıke (talk)00:53 17-Mar-2019

How to be an admin?[edit | edit source]

I just created the miraheze version of Tolololpedia (https://tolololpedia.miraheze.org) because there is someone that said all uncyclopedias including Tolololpedia will be closed. Some uncyclopedia has moved into miraheze like the chinese and russian uncyclopedia. I'm an admin on the wiki, but not on the miraheze. So i can export, but i can't import. How to ba an admin? --Pradiptamf (talk) 13:41, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

@Pradiptamf: You must request adminship on the wiki itself. Reception123 (talk) (C) 05:53, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
But he "just created" this wiki! Our FAQ says, "your user name will be designated the wiki's bureaucrat. (This is a wiki administrator with the power to appoint other users as administrators, and to depose them.)" Did something go wrong in this case? Spıke (talk)17:18 16-Mar-2019
It seems another user "Mesincuciuddin" created the wiki. See Special:RequestWikiQueue/7488. Flyingcat (talk) 23:12, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
That solves that nicely! So log back in as "Mesincuciuddin" and make "Pradiptamf" an Admin. Spıke (talk)00:53 17-Mar-2019
@Reception123: Mesincuciuddin is an admin in the wikia version of Tolololpedia just like me but Mesincuciuddin is currently inactive. And how do i log back in as him? I'm a different guy. --Pradiptamf (talk) 01:48, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Deletion of a wiki to save database[edit | edit source]

I have been looking around the Help Center to find what to do, but I couldn't find any proper direction. There is this wiki of mine I don't need anymore, but it has many .png's uploaded. To save space in the storage, I can request a deletion of that one. (Metrocka (talk) 09:45, 16 March 2019 (UTC))

Hi, you can request it on https://phabricator.miraheze.org Paladox (talk) 17:41, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

can not upload files[edit | edit source]

If you upload a file with https://programmingwiki.miraheze.org/wiki/メインページ, an error will occur. Thank you for your response.--ウソつき (talk) 07:49, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Apparently, upload storage seems to be lacking. This is inevitable. I would like to increase upload storage if possible--ウソつき (talk) 07:54, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Hey, we are trying to fix it. See phab:T4197 for more details. It looks like, though, we had a temporary fix by changing the limitation.--開拓者 (The Pioneer) (talk/contribs | global🌎) 21:41, 17 March 2019 (UTC)