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How much storage space does Miraheze have?[edit | edit source]

Well, My wiki[1], Crazybloxian Empire, could get large pretty soon. How much storage space does the wiki-hosting service have?

Code of Conduct/Commission/Election/2018[edit | edit source]

Hello everyone, the time for 2017-2018 CoCC is almost over, and we now need to elect new 5 members. We decided to put all of 5 seats to community selection. But rules in 2017 and this year are bit different since the situation is different.

We need clarification for two things:

  1. Timeframe of the election
  2. Who is eligible to vote?

Please comment your opinions on respective subsections. — revi 12:19, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Timeframe[edit | edit source]

  • Last year, we had around 8-9 days for the nomination, 5 days for voting. # I'd propose we start accepting nominee ASAP (tomorrow? the day after tomorrow? Preferably before November starts), and then give 10 days for nominations and Q&A, then 5 days for voting. — revi 12:19, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
I think the organisation of last year's election was good, and propose to keep it. I am not opposed to starting the election procedure tomorrow. Reception123 (talk) (C) 16:20, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
I agree with @Reception123: MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 16:48, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
The election procedure at the start of last years election was vague but we cleared it up eventually. The system is fine in my opinion. Miraheze Logo.svg CnocBride | Talk | Contribs 12:17, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
It may be a good idea to create a global notice and get this started either today or tomorrow. -- Void Whispers 14:18, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
I have made a draft banner. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 14:47, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
I also agree with Reception123. —AlvaroMolina ( - ) 18:47, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

  • I'll start nominating period. — revi 05:34, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Eligibility[edit | edit source]

  • Last year, we determined the election by the closing time of RFC, but that was 2017 and is not reasonable for our community member who joined during 2018 and wish to have a voice. I propose that we cut off the eligibility date by the day when we start accepting nominees. — revi 12:19, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
No objections here. Reception123 (talk) (C) 16:20, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
No objections from me MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 16:48, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Sure! Miraheze Logo.svg CnocBride | Talk | Contribs 12:17, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
No problem! —AlvaroMolina ( - ) 18:48, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Tie[edit | edit source]

Code of Conduct/Commission/Election/2018/Vote looks like we're going to end as a tie for 4 candidates when we have 3 seats left (after Void with 7 S, me with 6 S). Following last year's procedure, we are supposed to close after 7 days of voting, so we have less than 24 hours from now on. Should we do a runoff? I was thinking... if we decide to do a quick runoff, we should not allow people from casting more than 1 or 2 votes, to force them to think serious.

revi 09:12, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

I was also thinking about this issue, I support a runoff, and yes, I think it should be limited to 1 or 2 votes maximum, though I'm not sure if it should be 1 vote or if we could allow 2 votes. Reception123 (talk) (C) 10:33, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
I agree with the above. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 12:48, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
I agree in a runoff in case there is a tie between the four remaining candidates. —AlvaroMolina ( - ) 14:28, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
I would also propose, for future elections, that voters be prevented from voting for every candidate. Three ways come to mind:
  1. Voters can support all but one of the candidates they are able to vote for.
  2. Voters can only support half (rounded up if need be) of all candidates.
  3. Voters can only support one candidate.
I'm leaning to either one or two. Three doesn't seem entirely fair, and could lead to ties with low voter turnouts. Whichever one we pick should also be applied to the number of opposes that a voter is allowed to place. These restrictions are put forward for the simple reason that voting the same way towards everyone doesn't actually help the community decide. -- Void Whispers 18:56, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
I agree with options 2 or 3 (but particularly 3), since the current modality makes it very easy to generate ties because the hypothetical situation is that all candidates vote for their other colleagues and in the end The expected consensus is not achieved. I would also agree that it can be more widely disseminated through Miraheze (not only with the CentralNotice or the Community Noticeboard, but through more means (such as the "Sites Updates" bulletin, or IRC)), thereby promoting the promotion of that more users of the global community of Miraheze participate, since until now the participation has not been as high as expected. Regards. —AlvaroMolina ( - ) 19:10, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
I was thinking something like "you have 1 "first choice" and 1 "second choice" regardless of number of candidates, and when counting ballot, give 1 point for first choice and give 0.5 points for second choice. Candidate with highest number is then elected. Maybe not for main election, but for runoff this sounds not that bad. — revi 10:27, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Documentation[edit | edit source]

Hey. :)

I'm trying to improve Miraheze's documentation and would be great to "ear" your thoughts on how can I accomplish that the best way possible. Right now I'm working on ManageWiki and would like some feedback.

What I'm sure:

  • Is better to provide a simple explanation of each Miraheze/Mediawiki feature instead of linking to MediaWiki's docs
  • Provide KIS guides (TL;DR section) for the users who just want quick and simple steps on how to do something
  • Our target audience: unfamiliar (noobs) with MediaWiki

What I'm not so sure:

  • GIF's/Videos exemplifying how to do things
  • How to keep track of what's need to be done
  • How to engage other people to improve the documentation

Puffy (talk) 22:25, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

@Puffy: Hi. It's great that you want to help us with documentation, an area which I believe is very important but also outdated and not very well maintained. For your first point, I think when there is MediaWiki.org documentation we should be linking to that, as people update that, and it's usually pretty informative. A TL;DR section could be interesting, if it works. I'm not sure about videos, but if there's something very confusing, it could be an interesting idea. Keeping track, yes, that is an issue. We could just have a page for that I guess. As for engagement, we need to find people interesting in that, but also with knowledge about Miraheze/MediaWiki. Reception123 (talk) (C) 20:29, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Does Miraheze block embedding Facebook?[edit | edit source]

I tried to use the widget Facebook Page Plugin which did not work. I assumed an issue with the widget. So I went to facebook and pulled the embed code directly from there. I added the embed code into the widget. It doesn't display facebook. I tried on Firefox / Edge / Chrome. All with no success. Then I got to wondering whether Miraheze blocks facebook plugins as fb carries advertising? Twitter embedding scripts work - the distinction being that they don't carry advertising. If it is the case it is blocked from being embedded, I'll stop messing with code and wondering why it isn't working.

Last I checked, we didn't have Facebook on our content security policy (CSP). The CSP basically prevents any remote content from being fetched and used. I'm not actually sure if we adjusted it yet. -- Void Whispers 15:24, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
I tried it using the code that comes from facebook itself. This uses Iframe. Interesting on Chrome I do get an error message "Requests to the server have been blocked by an extension." It isn't one of my browser extensions blocking it as far as I'm aware. Michaeldakin (talk) 21:28, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Can I see Readers access statistics?[edit | edit source]

Can I see count of users accessed my wiki? Can I have listing of pages ordered by read count? Can I show this info to users (in foot of page i.e.)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beren (talkcontribs)

@Beren: Yes! You can visit Special:Analytics on your wiki. I don't believe you can show it in the footer of a page yet, but that would be an interesting function that we could implement. Reception123 (talk) (C) 05:56, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Merging wikis[edit | edit source]

Good morning, afternoon, or evening. Is it possible to merge two wikis together at Miraheze? If you, thanks. That is because I would like to request that one of the two wikis I created, the Martha Speaks Wiki, be merged into the other wiki I created, The Science Archives. I am requesting this move because having two wikis to manage is a lot of work that I personally can't handle.

I would like to request that:

  • the domain marthaspeaks.miraheze.org and all of its subdomains redirecting to thesciencearchives.miraheze.org. Please do this, if it is possible.
  • the articles themselves will be exported and imported to TSA via XML.

Thank you very much! Joey717 (talk) 01:06, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

@Joey717: Yes, that is possible. If you would like us to make an XML dump and import your wiki please request on Phabricator. Reception123 (talk) (C) 06:21, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
@Reception123: I can create the XML pump myself. The only thing I am requesting is redirecting the marthaspeaks.miraheze domain to thesciencearchives.miraheze domain. Thanks! Joey717 (talk) 07:09, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
@Joey717: Would you like the redirect to start as of now? Reception123 (talk) (C) 08:06, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
@Reception123: Maybe in 10 days. Joey717 (talk) 18:42, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
@Joey717: Okay, please let me know when you need it and I will take care of it. Also, we can always do the XML dump transfer for you as well, there is really no problem for us. Reception123 (talk) (C) 18:51, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
@Reception123: The pages have already been imported. There are signs on both wikis's front pages warning of the merge. The only thing remaining is the redirect. The redirect will occur on November 28, 2018, if it goes as planned. Joey717 (talk) 04:17, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

A solution to the lack of MW template bundling.[edit | edit source]

A solution to the lack of MW template bundling has been proposed at Community Wishlist Survey 2019/Miscellaneous/Shared Multilingual Templates and Modules available to all wikis, please support it. --Rob Kam (talk) 09:18, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Please add an interwiki links table to Nonciclopedia[edit | edit source]

Since Nonciclopedia is part of the large Uncyclomedia family of parody wikis we need to add a lot of shorcut interwiki links. An updated, complete list, including interwiki prefixes to use, is found at Uncyclomedia (go down the page, to "List of Uncyclopedias"). --Wedhro (talk) 12:36, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

@Wedhro: I can do this, but I do require member access on Nonciclopedia. Once that is granted, I can utilise my usual interwiki administrative privileges. Miraheze Logo.svg CnocBride | Talk | Contribs 19:09, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
@CnocBride: for some reason I can't, even if I'm a bureaucrat and the bureaucrat group has member as an addable group. If you give me a precise window of time I can temporarily open the wiki instead.--Wedhro (talk) 19:18, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
Forget about that, I set up permissions again and now you're a member. Let me know when you're finished.--Wedhro (talk) 19:27, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
@CnocBride:, @Wedhro:, after discussing with staff, I have whitelisted Special:Interwiki on all wikis, so it should be possible now without extra permissions. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 19:29, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
@MacFan4000: How it's supposed to work? I see the table but it's not editable.--Wedhro (talk) 19:33, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
I see it requires to set a new permission, interwiki, but I can't see it in Special:ManageWikiPermissions.--Wedhro (talk) 19:43, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
I ment that Interwiki-admins don’t need full read access anymore to change Interwiki on private wikis. They have “Interwiki” globally. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 19:45, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
Oops, I misunderstood.--Wedhro (talk) 19:46, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
@Wedhro: Yes check.svg Done Miraheze Logo.svg CnocBride | Talk | Contribs 20:18, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
@CnocBride: Thanks but there's a few entries missing:
The following need to be deleted because it's our old wiki on Wikia and of course we don't need to link to that:
Thanks again.--Wedhro (talk) 21:20, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
These two links: http://dlm.neciklopedija.org/ and http://tlh.uncyc.org/ are already on the list, when I checked just there. Must have missed the others! Miraheze Logo.svg CnocBride | Talk | Contribs 21:27, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
That's because they're in the "Local interwiki prefixes" table of Special:Interwiki instead of "Interlanguage prefixes" table, and as a matter of fact you can see how our main page shows two links at the bottom of the page instead of in the sidebar.--Wedhro (talk) 23:02, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Activity feed[edit | edit source]

On my old wiki I could use the tag <activityfeed size=4 /> to display a list of recent changes on the mainscreen. Is this extension not available or enabled on Miraheze?

It's ActivityFeedTag, a custom extension used by Wikia and not available in MediaWiki repositories AFAIK. --Wedhro (talk) 17:56, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
A similar extension could be developed, although, it would be necessary to see where the feed would be positioned, which can bring conflicts with the skins GOTILON - Talk - Contributions 23:30, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

My CVT request[edit | edit source]

Hi. My request for CVT at Requests for global rights seems to have not been noticed by the community by the looks of it. I have had my request open since 21 October and today is 24 November so it is over a month since I requested it but I still see no votes. Only two comments were left there, one was from 5 November saying that the community might not have noticed it and another is from 6 November suggesting me to go to the community board if there are no answers so I decided to come here today after a very long period of over one month of waiting. Pkbwcgs (talk) 21:13, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Are site stats available for individual wikis?[edit | edit source]

Are site stats available for individual wikis? Thanks. - User:Cicero

@Cicero: Yes! Please visit Special:Analytics. Reception123 (talk) (C) 10:12, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Fix interwiki tables on https://nonciclopedia.org[edit | edit source]

Interwiki links don't work, I get a "not found" error. Example: http://en.uncyclopedia.co/December_6 - Same with other languages.
Probably that's because the URL misses the "/wiki/" part, in fact if I change the above URL as http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/December_6 it works. NOTE: Stupidedia (interwiki bar) uses "/stupi/" instead of "/wiki/", and I hope it's the only exception.
Whether this is the correct solution or not, I ask you to fix the interwiki table so that links work, for all languages.
Also, there's a missing interwiki to add: is, for http://is.ikkepedia.org
Thanks.--Wedhro (talk) 20:15, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

I've added the new link, as well as updated just about every link on the table. I didn't check to see if each works, so if anything is broken, let me know. -- Void Whispers 21:45, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
I checked a few links and they work, thanks a lot.--Wedhro (talk) 22:02, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Read this[edit | edit source]

Read this GOTILON - Talk - Contributions 21:30, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Add a few interwiki prefixes to Nonciclopedia[edit | edit source]

The following prefixes should be added to the interwiki table of https://nonciclopedia.org/

Please don't forget to check them, last time the links missed the /wiki/ part and wouldn't work. Thanks.--Wedhro (talk) 23:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Looks like only hu was missing from the table. It's been added. -- Void Whispers 01:59, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
@Void: Well, if you check https://nonciclopedia.org/wiki/Speciale:Interwiki you'll see the other three are missing from the table. In fact, on the bottom of our main page, just above the category box, you can see how dlm, tlh and zombie show up as plain links instead of appearing on the language list in the sidebar.--Wedhro (talk) 10:30, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
They are located in the list of Local Interwiki Links, but these are not counted as Interlanguage links. Interwiki links turn up on the page as if they were local links, while the Interlanguage links turn up on the sidebar. I guess this needs to be configured then. -- Void Whispers 15:35, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Oh, now I see. So they just need to be moved to the interlanguage table. --Wedhro (talk) 16:18, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
That's more of a technical request. Should be good soon. -- Void Whispers 18:23, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Style classes in Common.css don't work[edit | edit source]

I'm replicating warning templates used on the italian Wikipedia, and to make sure they work the same I copypasted their Common.css stylesheet here: https://nonciclopedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css When using a class from there on a table or div block, though, I can't see any difference. For example, see the following class:

table.avviso {
  margin: 5px 10%;                           /* Non si sovrappone ad altri elementi */
  border-collapse: collapse; 
  background: #fbfbfb; 
  border: 1px solid #aaa; 
}

Then in my sandbox I write the following:

<table class="avviso">
<tr>
<td>cell 1</td>
<td>cell 2</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>cell 3</td>
<td>cell 4</td>
</tr>
</table>

<div class="avviso">
Div
</div>

I'd expect to get the boxes centered, gray borders etc., but nothing changes. Any idea why?--Wedhro (talk) 10:43, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

I've got nothing for this issue. If I force load the css using js, it works. There's no reason that it shouldn't work normally, unless something is causing the Common.css page to never load. -- Void Whispers 21:39, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
There's anything I might do to find out why it doesn't load? And/or should I open a task on Phabricator? --Wedhro (talk) 21:45, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
Ah, it seems that the page somehow had a broken content model. I fixed it, and now everything seems to be working. -- Void Whispers 22:12, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
It works, thanks. Now I remember noticing a few days ago how the content model wasn't correct and I tried changing it (see the history) but the change didn't have effect. Any idea why?--Wedhro (talk) 22:21, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
That's unclear. I think the only fix was to change it to a different content model and then back again. -- Void Whispers 22:42, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Users can't register because their accounts were already created during wiki import[edit | edit source]

After importing our wiki from Wikia to https://nonciclopedia.org, in Phabricator task T3756#72940, @Paladox: wrote:

“[...] i went ahead and created all the users accounts to prevent the problem in the future. (if any of your users turn up and find they cannot create there account) please ask them to create a phab task (and also comment on it that you confirm it is the user please))”

If I understand correctly, old users should create an account on Phabricator, then learn how to open a task, then I should comment there and finally... I don't know, really.
Isn't there a simpler way to let users get their accounts back? Maybe they could register a temporary account on our wiki and then the staff could merge it with the old one? Is there anything I can do as a admin/sysop? I'm asking because I don't expect them to register on Phabricator just to create a single task, probably we will lose users in the process.
At least, I'd like to know how what Paladox said would work exactly, at least I could tell the users.--Wedhro (talk) 17:35, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi, yes, though old users can email staff@miraheze.org since phabricator requires a account on meta. Paladox (talk) 20:01, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
Would you please elaborate: which steps should be followed by users wanting their account back, exactly? Maybe I could email the staff in order to guarantee it's actually them, but what about passwords, email addresses and other things that are supposed to be private?--Wedhro (talk) 20:49, 14 December 2018 (UTC)