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#'''Relisting''' for another several weeks. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 11:42, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 
#'''Relisting''' for another several weeks. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 11:42, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 
#For those of you who oppose this on the grounds that it would get outdated, if this proposal passes, I'm planning to make a bot that works with [[Special:WikiDiscover]] to add entries. [[User:Tali64³|Tali64³]] ([[User talk:Tali64³|talk]]) 16:21, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 
#For those of you who oppose this on the grounds that it would get outdated, if this proposal passes, I'm planning to make a bot that works with [[Special:WikiDiscover]] to add entries. [[User:Tali64³|Tali64³]] ([[User talk:Tali64³|talk]]) 16:21, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
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== A new wiki for the website's community ==
 
== A new wiki for the website's community ==
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* <small>'''Relist''' to delay archiving. I will be posting an updated proposal on next steps in the next several days. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 05:21, 1 September 2020 (UTC)</small>
 
* <small>'''Relist''' to delay archiving. I will be posting an updated proposal on next steps in the next several days. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 05:21, 1 September 2020 (UTC)</small>
 
* <s>'''Steward attention requested''': This really should be closed. I already posted an updated proposal, and it was closed as a "duplicate" of this discussion. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomliberal]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:06, 9 January 2021 (UTC)</s>
 
* <s>'''Steward attention requested''': This really should be closed. I already posted an updated proposal, and it was closed as a "duplicate" of this discussion. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomliberal]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:06, 9 January 2021 (UTC)</s>
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== A community Developers wiki ==
 
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# It's also important to point out that, per the approved wiki request, this is a '''community wiki''' and the community maintains overall supremacy over this wiki (i.e., its ''scope'', bureaucrats, etc.).
 
# It's also important to point out that, per the approved wiki request, this is a '''community wiki''' and the community maintains overall supremacy over this wiki (i.e., its ''scope'', bureaucrats, etc.).
 
# Everyone agreed to use {{ping|Lakelimbo}}'s great logo for '''Dev Wiki'''.
 
# Everyone agreed to use {{ping|Lakelimbo}}'s great logo for '''Dev Wiki'''.
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== How to patrol recent changes effectively ==
== Collapsible elements no longer appear/function ==
 
   
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In [[Special:RecentChanges]], unpatrolled edits will have a “<abbr class=unpatrolled>!</abbr>” mark (if you have the permission to patrol). But patrolling recent changes seems inconvenient and time-consuming.
(This is a repost from the original [https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T6608 task] posted on Phabricator)
 
   
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For example, if there is an array of edits from one person on one page, these edits will be collapsed in RecentChanges. I can look at the changes made by these couple of edits in one page, but it seems I cannot patrol these edits directly — I have to patrol these edits respectively, which takes much time.
On the Constructed Worlds Wiki for over a month now, the wiki's collapsible elements (show/hide function) has stopped working and no longer appear. The wiki utilizes several templates which rely on this function (namely navboxes) and has forced us to manually expand each template in order to show their contents. We have asked for assistance on this issue before to be told that it can be resolved by fixing our common.css page's code. However, we have already tried multiple iterations from other wikis, including other Miraheze wikis, to test and see if the collapsible elements would re-appear to no success at all. Prior to the disappearance of the collapsible elements (which happened around November 8), we did not do any changes to the .css at all (it was last edited in 2018), the .js, or implement any wiki extensions which could have possibly caused this. We would like to resolve this issue because it has been a major quality of life problem.
 
   
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Besides, for Flow discussions, it seems I have to patrol the comments in respective pages, which is quite inconvenient.
*[https://wiki.conworlds.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css Common.css page]
 
*[https://wiki.conworlds.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css&action=history Common.css history]
 
   
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I'm not familiar with patrolling. Is there any method to improve the efficiency of patrolling? Thanks.&nbsp;[[User:SolidBlock|SolidBlock]] ([[User talk:SolidBlock|talk]]) 13:45, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
'''Example of broken templates''':
 
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:[[User:SolidBlock|SolidBlock]], thank for the question, which is a good one for which I think there is no one right answer. I'll attempt to answer it with my patrolling strategies. Firstly, I usually use mainly the [[Special:NewPages]] page for patrolling, though this will only patrol new page creations across namespaces within a given timeframe (last 180 days, as far as I am aware), as I find [[Special:RecentChanges]] cumbersome from a workflow perspective for similar reasons to the ones you cited. That won't catch ''all'' recent changes, of course. So, when I ''do'' do RC patrolling, I'll usually either expand the arrow (where there are multiple changes by the same user(s)), and right-click and open the diff in a new tab, closing it once patrolled, or I'll actually open the link to the revision(s) in a new tab, then patrol all related revisions via the page history, beginning from the beginning. There are also some [[w:Wikipedia:User scripts/List|user scripts]], which can also be gadgets if you prefer, related to patrolling, which you may find useful. Hope that helps. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 14:40, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
*[https://wiki.conworlds.org/wiki/Template:Sierra Template:Sierra] (standard navbox with non-functioning collapsible option, forced to expand in code)
 
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::Thanks. I'll try finding the user scripts through the link you gave. --[[User:SolidBlock|SolidBlock]] ([[User talk:SolidBlock|talk]]) 03:00, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
*[https://wiki.conworlds.org/wiki/Template:Derzhavism_sidebar Template:Derzhavism sidebar] (standard collapsible sidebar with non-functioning collapsible option, expanded automatically)
 
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:::Okay, great. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 03:16, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
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::Unfortunately, I found no one that can effectively mark page as patrolled within the user script list. The script 'RC Patrol' can view recent changes effectively, but it cannot mark page as patrolled at present. --[[User:SolidBlock|SolidBlock]] ([[User talk:SolidBlock|talk]]) 12:03, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
   
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== ManageWiki/Settings broken? ==
&#32;<span style="background:#64ccfdff; font-family: 'century gothic'; padding:8px 5px;"><span style="background:#f0a796ff; color:white; padding:3px; white-space:nowrap;">[[File:Miraheze Logo.svg|35px|link=http://altverse.miraheze.org/wiki/User_talk:Centrist16?action=edit&section=new]] [[User:Centrist16|{{color|white|'''centrist16'''}}]] {{!}} [[File:P mail.svg|35px|link=User talk:Centrist16]] {{!}} [[File:Discord color D.svg|15px|link=https://discord.gg/Q56SSb5]]</span></span>&#32; 14:57, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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I was setting up my wiki, and after making several changes, I found out that somehow I can no longer save changes made on [[mh:nanon334:Special:ManageWiki/settings]].
:@[[User:Centrist16|Centrist16]] Try replacing any uses of the <code>collapsible</code> class with <code>mw-collapsible</code>. I see that [https://wiki.conworlds.org/wiki/Module:Navbox Module:Navbox] has a line with <code>:addClass('collapsible')</code>, so changing that to <code>mw-collapsible</code> should work. [[User:K599|K599]] ([[User talk:K599|talk]]) 16:39, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 
::Thank you, your suggested edit worked! The only issue which remains is that the collapsible sidebars still do not work (perhaps there is something in the sidebar module with a similar problem?). &#32;<span style="background:#64ccfdff; font-family: 'century gothic'; padding:8px 5px;"><span style="background:#f0a796ff; color:white; padding:3px; white-space:nowrap;">[[File:Miraheze Logo.svg|35px|link=http://altverse.miraheze.org/wiki/User_talk:Centrist16?action=edit&section=new]] [[User:Centrist16|{{color|white|'''centrist16'''}}]] {{!}} [[File:P mail.svg|35px|link=User talk:Centrist16]] {{!}} [[File:Discord color D.svg|15px|link=https://discord.gg/Q56SSb5]]</span></span>&#32; 20:27, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 
:::@[[User:Centrist16|Centrist16]] Try replacing the code for <code>NavFrame</code> in your [https://wiki.conworlds.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js] with the <code>NavFrame</code> code in [[w:MediaWiki:Common.js]], since the collapsible sidebars appear to use <code>NavFrame</code>. [[User:K599|K599]] ([[User talk:K599|talk]]) 21:51, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 
::::No luck unfortunately. &#32;<span style="background:#64ccfdff; font-family: 'century gothic'; padding:8px 5px;"><span style="background:#f0a796ff; color:white; padding:3px; white-space:nowrap;">[[File:Miraheze Logo.svg|35px|link=http://altverse.miraheze.org/wiki/User_talk:Centrist16?action=edit&section=new]] [[User:Centrist16|{{color|white|'''centrist16'''}}]] {{!}} [[File:P mail.svg|35px|link=User talk:Centrist16]] {{!}} [[File:Discord color D.svg|15px|link=https://discord.gg/Q56SSb5]]</span></span>&#32; 04:03, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 
::::Do you have any other suggestions possibly? &#32;<span style="background:#64ccfdff; font-family: 'century gothic'; padding:8px 5px;"><span style="background:#f0a796ff; color:white; padding:3px; white-space:nowrap;">[[File:Miraheze Logo.svg|35px|link=http://altverse.miraheze.org/wiki/User_talk:Centrist16?action=edit&section=new]] [[User:Centrist16|{{color|white|'''centrist16'''}}]] {{!}} [[File:P mail.svg|35px|link=User talk:Centrist16]] {{!}} [[File:Discord color D.svg|15px|link=https://discord.gg/Q56SSb5]]</span></span>&#32; 09:14, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 
::::I apologize, please disregard my ping. It appears to have finally worked! Thank you! :) &#32;<span style="background:#64ccfdff; font-family: 'century gothic'; padding:8px 5px;"><span style="background:#f0a796ff; color:white; padding:3px; white-space:nowrap;">[[File:Miraheze Logo.svg|35px|link=http://altverse.miraheze.org/wiki/User_talk:Centrist16?action=edit&section=new]] [[User:Centrist16|{{color|white|'''centrist16'''}}]] {{!}} [[File:P mail.svg|35px|link=User talk:Centrist16]] {{!}} [[File:Discord color D.svg|15px|link=https://discord.gg/Q56SSb5]]</span></span>&#32; 09:16, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 
   
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I can still submit the changes, but nothing happens.
== Formatting help with navbar/navbox ==
 
   
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I need to fix my logo URL to <code>https://static.miraheze.org/nanon334wiki/6/6a/135px-NNN_brigade_logo.png</code>, but I have no idea what to do because I can't manage my wiki through ManageWiki/settings.
Hi there. We're trying to set up navboxes on [https://hanipre.miraheze.org the Hanipre Wiki], but the VTE symbols in the title bars are shifted out of the proper alignment like in [https://hanipre.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Navbox]. Not sure if we're missing another template or something, but could someone help us? Thanks!&nbsp;[[User:Kirankon|Kirankon]] ([[User talk:Kirankon|talk]]) 03:31, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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Can anyone help me solve this issue? Thanks.&nbsp;[[User:なのん団名誉顧問|なのん団名誉顧問]] ([[User talk:なのん団名誉顧問|talk]]) 16:30, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
:@[[User:Kirankon|Kirankon]] You're missing the CSS for [[w:Module:Navbar/styles.css|navbar]]. Putting that in your MediaWiki:Common.css should probably work. [[User:K599|K599]] ([[User talk:K599|talk]]) 18:08, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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:[[User:なのん団名誉顧問|なのん団名誉顧問]] Note that due to the [[ManageWiki]] UI's design, changes made will ''not'' show within the ManageWiki UI until you exit the UI and go back in to the given page. Also, check to see in your [[mh:nanon334:Special:Log/managewiki|Special:Log/managewiki]] if the changes were ''saved''. If they ''were'', then there should be no issue here. Additionally, note that logo changes can take up to 24 hours sometimes to be fully changed as it is either a MediaWiki or a Varnish cache issue. You should also try to use <code>Ctrl</code> + <code>F5</code> to force refresh your page. Thanks. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
== Problems with Template ==
 
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::[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] I've already checked RecentChanges and Log/managewiki only to find that no logs were made.--[[User:なのん団名誉顧問|なのん団名誉顧問]] ([[User talk:なのん団名誉顧問|talk]]) 16:42, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
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:::Let me try testing for you then. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:45, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
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::::Thanks. I hope it will work fine.--[[User:なのん団名誉顧問|なのん団名誉顧問]] ([[User talk:なのん団名誉顧問|talk]]) 16:48, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
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::::[[User:なのん団名誉顧問|なのん団名誉顧問]] Okay, I tried to make the change, and nothing happened. So I wonder if this is a [[ManageWiki]] cache issue? I will {{tl|ping}} [[User:Reception123|Reception123]] to this request and see if there's a maintenance script they can run on your wiki. Also, I noticed you had <code>https://nanon334.miraheze.org/w/thumb_handler.php</code> preceding the filename. Note that won't work, as you need to use the <code>static.miraheze.org</code> URL you posted above, ensuring your files are 135x135px. Thanks. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:51, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
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:::::[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] Thanks for trying. Indeed I found out it didn't when I logged out (I suppose it's because the wiki is private), which is why I need to fix it to the correct URL above.--[[User:なのん団名誉顧問|なのん団名誉顧問]] ([[User talk:なのん団名誉顧問|talk]]) 16:55, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
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::::::[[User:なのん団名誉顧問|なのん団名誉顧問]] I've asked in {{freenode|miraheze-sre}}. [[User:Paladox|Paladox]] and [[User:Universal Omega|Universal Omega]] responded, the latter of whom has seen the issue. It is an apparent upstream bug with regard to the data input validation used in the <code>wgCosmosProfileTagGroups</code> field. He will be temporarily enabling the [[mw:Extension:SocialProfile|SocialProfile]] extension, making the change needed, then disabling the SocialProfile extension and any extension-added user rights/groups. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 17:11, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
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:::::::[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] Thanks for the investigation. I have confirmed that it is now fixed.--[[User:なのん団名誉顧問|なのん団名誉顧問]] ([[User talk:なのん団名誉顧問|talk]]) 21:41, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
   
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== Japanese translation ==
Hi,
 
   
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Soon, we'll finish translating Meta content into Japanese! All that's left is [[Template:Mental Health Resources]]. I would like to thank the [[User:開拓者]] and everyone else who translated many pages before I started the translation process. Thank you{{User:Waki285/emojis|sunglasses}}&nbsp;{{User:Waki285/sig}} 01:37, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
I've literally spent 4 hours trying to fix [https://ingen.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Find_sources this messed up template]. However, despite trying everything, I can't seem to get it to have the dot instead of <dot-separator>. It'd be a great help if someone could help me.
 
   
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:[[User:Waki285|Waki285]] Wow, {{done|great work}}! I know you've certainly been active as a translator, but didn't realize you were this close to finishing the Japanese translations. Though we're not ready to prepare any ''new'' pages for translation, please ''do'' let me know if you're interested in doing Japanese translations on [[mh:commons|Miraheze Commons]] or [[mh:template|Miraheze Template Wiki]]. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:46, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
Respectfully,&nbsp;[[User:KarmakaPhal|KarmakaPhal]] ([[User talk:KarmakaPhal|talk]]) 00:42, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 
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::Great work! ''claps'' {{:User:R4356th/Signature}} 04:51, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|KarmakaPhal}} I did some digging, and this appears to be an [[Special:AllMessages|interface message]], as a I recognized the <code><nowiki>{Dot-separator}</nowiki></code> indicated on [[mh:ingen:Template:Find sources|the given local template]]. Looking at [[w:MediaWiki:Dot-separator|MediaWiki:Dot-separator]], it's clear that it is. So, mainly for testing purposes and because this was a [[mh:ingen:Special:Diff/64855|request]] from the local wiki, I have [[mh:ingen:Special:Diff/65038|created]] that message for you, copying the example from [[w:MediaWiki:Dot-separator|MediaWiki:Dot-separator]]. I will look at creating this as a global interface message with a pull request to our [[github:miraheze/MirahezeMagic|repository]]. Accordingly, this now seems to be {{Done|resolved}}. Thanks. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:08, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 
::Thanks big-time for your help! You saved me a lot of time! [[User:KarmakaPhal|KarmakaPhal]] ([[User talk:KarmakaPhal|talk]]) 01:10, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
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:::Indeed, that's great work! I think a round of applause is in order. ''applauds'' [[User:Sabelöga|Sabelöga]] ([[User talk:Sabelöga|talk]]) 06:12, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
:::{{ping|KarmakaPhal}} {{Done|No problem}}. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:15, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 
   
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== Question about wiki creators creating this own wikis ==
== Vandalism ==
 
   
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Hello. I am wondering if it is usually okay or encouraged that wiki creators create and approve their own wikis. In my personal opinion, I do not think it is really a problem even though I do think it would be encouraged that wiki creators have another one peer review their request for impartiality reasons. However, I do have to say that when I was looking at wiki creator activity, I came across [[Special:RequestWikiQueue/16490#mw-section-request|this request]] and find it a bit unjust that a wiki creator can request/have their wiki created with such a short description that I imagine would in other circumstances mean that a wiki would get rejected. [[User:DeeM28|DeeM28]] ([[User talk:DeeM28|talk]]) 12:17, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
Sorry for making this so not-on-topic, but why do people vandalize ''so much''? I was honestly shocked to see how many spam and abuse-only accounts there were on Miraheze alone. Why do this, honestly? What benefit do vandalizers and spammers feel they get?
 
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:Hello, I saw this request specifically and thought about it. Personally, if I request a wiki, I will have it approved by another wiki creator (because my COI rules) - excluding one request, I created wiki myself. Technically, wiki creators should be able to approve their own wiki requests, because they should know all rules, etc.--[[User:MrJaroslavik|MrJaroslavik]] ([[User talk:MrJaroslavik|talk]]) 12:29, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
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:[[User:DeeM28|DeeM28]] Two things. First, yes, it's perfectly acceptable for [[Meta:Wiki creators|wiki creators]] to approve or create, as applicable, their own wikis; however, they [[rfc:2119|should]] define a clear purpose and scope for their wiki. I'm not sure whether I noticed ''that'' specific request by that wiki creator you mentioned, but I ''have'' noticed several approved wikis from that wiki creator with descriptions that aren't meeting our requirements, and have planned to engage with the wiki creator to remind them to ensure each wiki they approve had a clear purpose and scope per [[Content Policy]]. It's also worth noting that wiki creators can [[Special:CreateWiki|create]] their wiki directly, but convention or custom is such that it's recommended they still use [[Special:RequestWiki]] in most cases. Second, with regard to wiki creator activity, note that for the purposes of inactivity, the [[Meta:Wiki creators#Inactivity|policy]] is three months of ''global'' community activity on ''all'' platforms, so one cannot merely assess wiki creating activity or even other activity on Meta, but rather, they must examine ''all'' activity (i.e., on all attached wikis, on [[github:|GitHub]], on [[phab:|Phabricator]], and on [[Discord]] and [[IRC]]&mdash;some flexibility is allowed on the latter two platforms as not all channels are publicly logged). Hope that helps. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:13, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
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::{{Ping|MrJaroslavik}}, {{Ping|Dmehus}} Thank you for both of your answers, they were helpful. It would be useful to engage with that wiki creator as I think wiki creators do need to follow the same standards whether it is their own wiki or it is not. If I was a wiki creator I would do the same as MrJaroslavik and prefer that someone else created it in order for the process to be completely impartial. I have looked once again at Msnhinet8's wiki creations and something else that does concern me as well is that they are mostly creating their own wikis and not other requested wikis. Will this be part of your message to him? [[User:DeeM28|DeeM28]] ([[User talk:DeeM28|talk]]) 16:29, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
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:::[[User:DeeM28|DeeM28]] I probably won't include this message, no, but I will likely or may link to this discussion and mentioned that others have shared similar concerns. In terms of whether a wiki creator approves their own wiki, I'm reluctant to endorse the idea that they ''should not'' approve their own wikis as I agree with MrJaroslavik above that they should understand [[Content Policy]] fully and define a clear purpose and scope for their wikis; rather, they should be certain that their description meets, or ideally exceeds, what we expect in terms of a defined purpose and scope for the wiki. I'll try and get to my note for the wiki creator in the next several days, though. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:39, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
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::::{{Ping|Dmehus}} If I am not mistaken, in the past 6 months '''every approved request''' was for Msnhinet8's ''own wikis''. I understand if some wiki creators want to approve their own requests; I do not think that is a terrible thing to do, but this wiki creator seems to ''only'' be approving his/her/their own requests and I do not think that is an adequate use of the tools and I also do not think that that was mentioned in the original wiki request. [[User:DeeM28|DeeM28]] ([[User talk:DeeM28|talk]]) 16:45, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
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:::::[[User:DeeM28|DeeM28]] Yes, I'm not sure if it was ''every'' request or not, but I have definitely noticed that '''most''' of their approved wikis have been apparently their ''own'' wikis. That's not great, to be perfectly honest, and something that I will address. The downside to them giving up the bit, though, is they ''are'' not fluent in English, and Google Translate is, well, not great, to say the least, with the Asian languages (especially Mandarin or Cantonese). Their wikis haven't been problematic from a Content Policy perspective, but my concern is just that if the bit were removed (either by them resigning or because it was later removed by a [[Stewards|Steward]]), is that they may have difficulty articulating the purpose for their wiki. We ''really'' could use a wiki creator who speaks both fluent Mandarin, Cantonese, and English, in my opinion. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:53, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
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::::::Thank you for your response and I am glad that you will address it. I fully agree that wiki creators who understand and can speak more languages are very much necessary. There is a little irony with the last part however as they are not currently articulating the purposes clearly in either language 😉. [[User:DeeM28|DeeM28]] ([[User talk:DeeM28|talk]]) 16:58, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
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:::::::Agreed, and I ''do'' see the irony there. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 17:30, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
   
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== ログインできません ==
Confused,&nbsp;[[User:PortugeseManO&#39;War|PortugeseManO&#39;War]] ([[User talk:PortugeseManO&#39;War|talk]]) 04:54, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 
:[[User:PortugeseManO'War|PortugeseManO'War]] At first I thought you were ''reporting'' cross-wiki vandalism, in which case, I'd refer you to [[stewards' noticeboard]]. However, this is a fair discussion for [[community noticeboard]] as it is general in nature. In terms of vandalism only accounts, I suspect users ''may'' be seeking attention, some of whom may have social anxiety and personality disorders. In terms of the latter, the objective is purely [[w:Search engine optimization|search engine optimization]]&mdash;that is to say, to proliferate links to their spam websites on as many legitimate websites as they can get in an effort to effect (more positive) placement in web search engine results. Interesting philosophical question, though. Hope that helps. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 05:09, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 
::Oh, I see. So sometimes it is purely because they can't control it, and sometimes intentionally. Well, I guess they always were, and always will be. Thanks for answering though! [[User:PortugeseManO&#39;War|PortugeseManO&#39;War]] ([[User talk:PortugeseManO&#39;War|talk]]) 05:13, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 
   
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タイトルにも書かせていただきましたが、ログインできません。その為ipになっていますが、自称噓つきです。&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/自称嘘つき|自称嘘つき]] 06:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
== Miraheze-wiki to own domain ==
 
   
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:Above question translates using [https://translate.google.com/ Google Translate] as, "I wrote it in the title, but I can't log in. Therefore, it is an ip, but it has a self-proclaimed lie." Title translates as, "I can't login." [[Special:Contributions/自称嘘つき|自称嘘つき]], what's the error message you are receiving? Thanks. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 15:18, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Hey everybody! I would like a Miraheze wiki for my own domain (data.maantietaja.org). That domain already has MediaWiki installed, but I didn't get some of the extensions that are in Miraheze. Is it possible for someone to install a wiki hosted by Miraheze on my domain? My domain is hosted with TMDHosting. --[[User:Anton|Anton]] ([[User talk:Anton|talk]]) 12:59, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 
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::Can you please try clearing your cookies for <code>miraheze.org</code>? {{:User:R4356th/Signature}} 15:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
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:::For what it's worth, I didn't recommend that, as I didn't want to potentially confuse the issue, if that's not the reason for why they can't login. Additionally, if it ''is'' the reason, and it's related to session hijacking, there's a few additional steps required. So, let's just wait a bit for the requestor to comment with the specific error message received. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 15:27, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
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::::I will post my English translation.
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::::'''title:'''I can't log in
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::::'''description:'''As I wrote in the title, I can't log in. Therefore, although it is posted with an IP address, the real account name is '[[User:自称嘘つき|自称嘘つき]]'.
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::::If its helpful then im happy.
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::::--{{User:Waki285/sig}} 08:46, 20 February 2021 (UTC)<small>I inserted a line break for clarity--{{User:Waki285/sig}} 08:51, 20 February 2021 (UTC)</small>
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{{outdent|::::}} I tried it again and was able to log in. Excuse me. --[[User:自称嘘つき|自称嘘つき]] ([[User talk:自称嘘つき|talk]]) 05:18, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
   
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:[[User:自称嘘つき|自称嘘つき]] Oh, this is {{Done|great}} news. I'm glad to hear it. Thanks for updating us! [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 07:24, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|Anton}} Hi, you can read [[Custom domains]] for how to add a custom domain for your wiki on Miraheze. [[User:HeartsDo|HeartsDo]] ([[User_talk:HeartsDo|Talk]] / [[Special:CentralAuth/HeartsDo|Global]] / [[Meta:Wiki creators|Wiki Creator]]) 13:24, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 
   
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== Weird request... ==
== How to update user page to use login.miraheze.org? ==
 
   
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The wiki I made here, [https://thesciencearchives.miraheze.org/wiki/ https://thesciencearchives.miraheze.org/wiki/], was based on a FANDOM/Wikia site I made that was essentially the same thing but had many pages protected so that it would be more reliable. The site was eventually pulled down due to breaking FANDOM's TOU. So would it be okay if I do the same thing to my wiki and protect ''all'' main namespace pages? (I'm not very good at HTML). Thanks. [[User:Joey717|Joey717]] ([[User talk:Joey717|talk]]) 02:33, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
How do I blank my user page on meta so that it uses my user page from login instead?&nbsp;[[User:Rob Kam|Rob Kam]] ([[User talk:Rob Kam|talk]]) 16:11, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 
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:[[User:Joey717|Joey717]] Yes, you can protect all pages in your wiki's <code>(Main)</code> namespace individually or protect your <code>(Main)</code> namespace at a given restriction level, but it's not obvious what you're trying to avoid or why the Fandom version of the wiki was dropped for breaking Fandom's Terms of Service, so I can't really comment on whether it's ''good'' or ''not''. Can you clarify that a bit? But yes, as to your first question, you can definitely protect pages or namespace at a certain level. Thanks. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 02:48, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
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::I want it to be more reliable than Wikipedia. [[User:Joey717|Joey717]] ([[User talk:Joey717|talk]]) 03:19, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
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:::[[User:Joey717|Joey717]] Oh, that makes sense then, and yes, you absolutely can go into [[mh:thesciencearchives:Special:ManageWiki/namespaces|Special:ManageWiki/namespaces]] on your wiki and protect your wiki's <code>(Main)</code> namespace at whatever protection/restriction level you wish. You might also look into enabling the [[mw:Extension:Moderation|Moderation]] extension in [[mh:thesciencearchives:Special:ManageWiki/extensions|Special:ManageWiki/extensions]]. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 03:23, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
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::::Thanks! [[User:Joey717|Joey717]] ([[User talk:Joey717|talk]]) 07:56, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
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:::::No problem. Glad we were able to help. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 07:57, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
   
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== Infobox needed - help ==
:{{ping|Rob Kam}} I have now {{Done|[[Special:Redirect/logid/464351|deleted]]}} your [[User:Rob Kam|Meta user page]] in favour of your [[mw:Extension:GlobalUserPage|global user page]] on [[mh:login|Loginwiki]]. For future reference, you can either blank your user page, as you did, add {{tl|delete}} with a deletion reason, or post your request for local deletion at [[Meta:Administrators' noticeboard]] or on the user talk page of any [[Special:ListUsers/sysop|administrator]]. Hope that helps. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:17, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 
::Thanks. [[User:Rob Kam|Rob Kam]] ([[User talk:Rob Kam|talk]]) 16:20, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 
:::{{Done|No problem}}. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:21, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 
   
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If a steward or admin would be so kind as to help me create an infobox for my wiki - this is the page that's got the problem:
== Link removal ==
 
   
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https://altuniverseuk1182.miraheze.org/wiki/Holden_Reihi
How do I get rid of the beta features and links to watchlists in the upper right corner of the site in my personal common.css?--[[User:虎之介|虎之介]] ([[User talk:虎之介|talk]]) 11:11, 2 January 2021 (UTC)&nbsp;[[User:虎之介|虎之介]] ([[User talk:虎之介|talk]]) 11:11, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 
:Tell me as soon as possible the "# pt-darkmode-link" part to remove the link to the watchlist or beta so that you can do # pt-darkmode-link {display: none;} when removing the dark mode link.--[[User:虎之介|虎之介]] ([[User talk:虎之介|talk]]) 13:38, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 
   
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I'm trying to create a vehicle infobox like the one seen at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Civic_(eighth_generation)
== How to change the site name in template stub? ==
 
   
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I can create templates, but getting infoboxes to work is a nightmare.
I've exported Template:Stub from sdiy.miraheze.org and imported it into simpleelectronics.miraheze.org. However the stub message on simpleelectronics.miraheze.org retains "Synth DIY Wiki", (e.g. [[mh:simpleelectronics:Resistors|Resistors]]). How to change it to "Simple Electronics Wiki"?&nbsp;[[User:Rob Kam|Rob Kam]] ([[User talk:Rob Kam|talk]]) 21:19, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 
   
:{{ping|Rob Kam}} Does <code><nowiki>{{SITENAME}}</nowiki></code> from [[mw:Help:Magic words|this help page]] not work? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:25, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
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I'll give someone temp sysop privileges to do this if you need. Would really appreciate the help to expand this! --[[User:KingstonuHull-h1986|KingstonuHull-h1986]] ([[User talk:KingstonuHull-h1986|talk]]) 12:44, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
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:You are right, those templates on Wikipedia are a nightmare to copy because there are so many other templates included which include other templates and so on. Besides that there are Lua procedures which are hard to look through. Therefore I recommend to design a much simpler template which could have the same parameters as in the Wikipedia and look nearly the same, [[User:Lily|Lily]][[File:Lilyu - smile.svg|30px|link=User:Lily]] ([[mh:lilypond|Lilypond Wiki]] · [[mh:meta:User talk:Lily|talk to me]] · [[mh:meingarten|little garden]] · [[mh:yazz|my wiki of everything]]) 05:52, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
::No, that's already set to "Simple Electronics Wiki". [[User:Rob Kam|Rob Kam]] ([[User talk:Rob Kam|talk]]) 21:33, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 
:::{{ping|Rob Kam}} The sitename correctly appears for me. Please consider clearing your browser cache and trying again. [[User:R4356th|R4356th]] ([[User talk:R4356th|talk]]) 21:57, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 
::::[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] has fixed it by editing Module:Asbox, (thanks). [[User:Rob Kam|Rob Kam]] ([[User talk:Rob Kam|talk]]) 22:02, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 
:::::Ah, great. :) [[User:R4356th|R4356th]] ([[User talk:R4356th|talk]]) 22:12, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 
   
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== Infobox ==
== Wikibase extension issue. ==
 
   
Hello. I have the WikibaseClient and WikibaseRepository extensions on my wiki. Now the problem is that I can't create new properties. Why? Yes I can create new items, but I don't use them in properties. Yes. --[[User:Anton|Anton]] ([[User talk:Anton|talk]]) 00:01, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
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I need help with editing infoboxes, what's the default for infoboxes and if there is none how can I set it up&nbsp;[[User:Caker18|Caker18]] ([[User talk:Caker18|talk]]) 22:40, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
   
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:[[User:Caker18|Caker18]] Thank you for your question. Please see [[FAQ#How do I install infoboxes on my wiki, like Wikipedia has?|this frequently asked question]] and [[mh:dev:Help:Infobox 101|this help page]] for this commonly asked question. Hope that helps. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:59, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
== MediaWiki:Edittools ==
 
   
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== Resetting a wiki ==
Tell me: Why doesn't the MediaWiki page [[MediaWiki:Edittools]] work correctly? I insert the code as here: [http://uk.wikis.shoutwiki.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Edittools uk.wikis.shoutwiki.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Edittools]&nbsp;<font face=Georgia>[[User:Usik64|<big>'''<span style="color:olive">''Usik''<span style="color:#ff0000">64</span></span>'''</big> ]]<sup>[[user talk:Usik64|'''<span style="color:orange">''обговорення''</span>''']]</sup></font> 12:01, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 
:{{ping|Usik64}} First, thank you for posting question for the wider community to examine on [[community noticeboard]]. Second, please only post screenshots where they are ''helpful'' and ''relevant'' at explaining your question. A screenshot with no specific, articulated question is just a screenshot. In this case, you've noted your ShoutWiki (where [[MediaWiki:Edittools]] works), but you haven't noted your Miraheze wiki(s) (where it doesn't work). So, if you could please note that, it would be helpful. Additionally, it would also be helpful if you could note any possible problems you think it ''may'' be (i.e., with the code), or solutions you've tried. Finally, you still haven't replied to [[Special:Permalink/155224#Huliaipole wiki|my answer here]] and [[Special:Permalink/155224#MediaWiki:Edittools|here]], so can you please advise if you have read and understood the recommendations of those replies? Thanks. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 15:50, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 
::MediaWiki has an extension panel that works with the CharInsert tag. This allows you to insert sections of code (individual tags, section headings, templates, symbols) by simply left-clicking on the active blue icon. It seems that on Mirahez this extension (CharInsert) does not work, so in MediaWiki: Edittools when switching to edit mode, all these elements are inactive (displayed in black). <font face=Georgia>[[User:Usik64|<big>'''<span style="color:olive">''Usik''<span style="color:#ff0000">64</span></span>'''</big> ]]<sup>[[user talk:Usik64|'''<span style="color:orange">''обговорення''</span>''']]</sup></font> 16:01, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 
:::{{ping|Usik64}} Thank you&mdash;this is exactly the kind of more helpful information and context you can prove. I'm certain we ''do'' have the CharInsert extension, but I know for a fact that [[MediaWiki:Edittools]] ''does'' work, as, in fact, {{ping|Lily}} had me do this very thing on [[mh:test|TestWiki]] at [[mh:test:MediaWiki:Edittools]]. Likely if you're using [[mw:Extension:VisualEditor|VisualEditor]], it ''may'' not work, so you may need to switch your personal [[Special:Preferences|preferences]] (on your wiki) to use the standard WikiEditor. I've pinged her on this thread, so there's no need to message her at [[User talk:Lily|her user talk page]]. She or someone else should reply to this thread within a day or two, typically. Please remember we're all volunteers here and [[BePatient|patience is a virtue]]. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:08, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 
::::Well, let it be. So far, thank you <font face=Georgia>[[User:Usik64|<big>'''<span style="color:olive">''Usik''<span style="color:#ff0000">64</span></span>'''</big> ]]<sup>[[user talk:Usik64|'''<span style="color:orange">''обговорення''</span>''']]</sup></font> 16:10, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 
:::::{{ping|Usik64}} Hrm, so is your question resolved? Or, would you like continued replies and assistance? Thanks. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:13, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 
:: Everything works properly on the test wiki [https://test.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Edittools test.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Edittools] <font face=Georgia>[[User:Usik64|<big>'''<span style="color:olive">''Usik''<span style="color:#ff0000">64</span></span>'''</big> ]]<sup>[[user talk:Usik64|'''<span style="color:orange">''обговорення''</span>''']]</sup></font> 16:18, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 
:::Patience in anticipation is a virtue. Your words? <font face=Georgia>[[User:Usik64|<big>'''<span style="color:olive">''Usik''<span style="color:#ff0000">64</span></span>'''</big> ]]<sup>[[user talk:Usik64|'''<span style="color:orange">''обговорення''</span>''']]</sup></font> 16:20, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 
::::{{ping|Usik64}} Hi. Just a reminder because I found your response above a little rude, we are all volunteer here and we can only responds when we have time so [[BePatient|be patient]] and if you have a other question, you can always ask it here on Community noticeboard as you will have other people that can respond to your question than asking directly on other users talk pages. :)
 
::::And for respond to your question, you should enable CharInsert on [[mh:ukrwikies:Special:ManageWiki/extensions|Special:ManageWiki/extensions]] on your wiki and copy/paste the fix for your "Edittools" based on the current revision that should work on your wiki [[mh:test:User:HeartsDo/fix Edittools|here]] after enabling extension (removing <code><nowiki><nowiki></nowiki></code> tag as that will invalidate your <code><nowiki><charinsert></nowiki></code> tag). Hope that's helpful! :) [[User:HeartsDo|HeartsDo]] ([[User_talk:HeartsDo|Talk]] / [[Special:CentralAuth/HeartsDo|Global]] / [[Meta:Wiki creators|Wiki Creator]]) 19:06, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 
:::::Sorry. I can't give rude or gentle answers. Because I use the technical translator Google. From Ukrainian to English. Google translates without emotion.
 
:::::On the topic. I changed the edit panel. He described the order of change in the article quite extensively . https://ukrwikies.miraheze.org/wiki/Довідка/Розширення_панелі_редагування . However, in Ukrainian. <font face=Georgia>[[User:Usik64|<big>'''<span style="color:olive">''Usik''<span style="color:#ff0000">64</span></span>'''</big> ]]<sup>[[user talk:Usik64|'''<span style="color:orange">''обговорення''</span>''']]</sup></font> 17:46, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 
   
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I created a wiki today (gwangsi.miraheze.org), and I tried to import a template from Wikipedia. It imported Module:TNT, and now it keeps throwing errors on template pages. As I didn't add very much info, I would like to know if I would be able to reset / format my wiki due to the mess I've accidentally created.&nbsp;[[User:C.antczak|C.antczak]] ([[User talk:C.antczak|talk]]) 22:31, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
== Russian-speaking or Ukrainian-speaking helpers ==
 
   
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:[[User:C.antczak|C.antczak]] You ''can'' request to have your wiki deleted, your database dropped, and your wiki recreated on [[Phabricator]]; however, I don't think that would be needed for a bad import of [[Module:TNT]]. You could just delete [[Module:TNT]], or restore to an earlier, correct revision of [[Module:TNT]]. Hope that helps. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:36, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
Please: help find in Mirageze active Russian-speaking or Ukrainian-speaking helpers <font face=Georgia>[[User:Usik64|<big>'''<span style="color:olive">''Usik''<span style="color:#ff0000">64</span></span>'''</big> ]]<sup>[[user talk:Usik64|'''<span style="color:orange">''обговорення''</span>''']]</sup></font> 16:04, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 
   
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== 不正利用フィルターのエクスポートについて ==
:Hello, maybe you can find someone you need at [[:Category:User by language]] of Babel Extension. --[[User:开炸弹车|开炸弹车]] ([[User talk:开炸弹车|talk]]) 03:09, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 
   
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不正利用フィルターを他wikiからエクスポートする方法が分かりません--[[User:自称嘘つき|自称嘘つき]] ([[User talk:自称嘘つき|talk]]) 06:08, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
== A proposal regarding the now abandoned Miraheze Community Wiki ==
 
   
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:If the machine translation is accurate, it appears that you want to "export" abuse filters from other wikis. The only way that can be done is by copying the content from wiki X and pasting it on wiki Y. [[User:Reception123|Reception123]] [[User talk:Reception123|(talk)]] ([[Special:Contributions/Reception123|<span style="color:#47C326; font-weight: bold;">C</span>]]) 19:05, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
I'd like to propose we turn the now defunct [[mh:community:|Miraheze Community Wiki]] into a general community hangout, in addition to, but not replacing, Meta Wiki (this one). Miraheze has gotten bigger since the last proposal, and it's about time we have a general hangout. Filing a request for adoption to go with this proposal... [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomliberal]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:04, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 
:I think all discussion should be in one place. Meta does not need a companion for its community. Instead all community discussion should be here, in Meta's Community Noticeboard; as for non-Miraheze discussion, I believe they are just fine on user talk pages. [[User:R4356th|R4356th]] ([[User talk:R4356th|talk]]) 15:38, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 
::From my understanding, user talk pages on meta are used for Mirahezians to collaborate on Miraheze, not to hangout. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomliberal]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:42, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 
:This appears to be a duplicate of [[{{ROOTPAGENAME}}#A new wiki for the website's community|a discussion above]] related to the same wiki. [[User:R4356th|R4356th]] ([[User talk:R4356th|talk]]) 15:48, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 
:'''Steward attention requested''': The so called discussion that this is duplicating had it's last reply on November 1st, and is therefore inactive, and should probably be closed as such. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomliberal]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:51, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 
::[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomliberal]] We ''could'' close it, yes; however, it ended up being outstanding so long that it's now only about a month away from deletion per [[Dormancy Policy]], so there's not really the urgency. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:09, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 
:::{{ping|Dmehus}} Okay. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomliberal]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:10, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 
::::[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomliberal]] Looks like you did that, so that's great. This seems to be more or less {{Done|resolved}} then. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:13, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 
:::::Yep, resolved. I made an adoption request for this proposal, so I {{Withdrawn|withdrew}} that request. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomliberal]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:18, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 
   
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== Proposal to enable Extension Labeled Section Transclusion ==
== Is there any way to get users' edit counts into Module? ==
 
   
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Hello, i propose enabling of [[mediawikiwiki:Extension:Labeled Section Transclusion|Labeled Section Transclusion]] extension on Meta-Wiki. I doing some template work and want to create for example page "Meta:Templates", then insert sections (like "Social media userboxes" or "Inline talk templates") using section transclusion into documentation subpages of templates. Also i propose enabling this extension on LoginWiki, because when i will be done here, i plan to import some templates (like 90% are userboxes) and i dont see problem in creating of one page in project/main namespace. So what are your thoughts? Thank you,--[[User:MrJaroslavik|MrJaroslavik]] ([[User talk:MrJaroslavik|talk]]) 12:29, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
Hello, we have ever used a Widget called UserScoreLevel in NMFWiki. It can be gotten one's edit count by extension Editcount, and show the level of one from Level One to Level One Hundred. But with the issue of Widgets, it could not work at all because of the disabling of the Widget extension.
 
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:I think that per [[Special:Diff/158705|what I said about a month ago]], since this extension doesn't ultimately change the workflow of this wiki and just provides a small extra feature it should be fine to enable without a full formal discussion, as I can't see why it would be opposed. For the record, in the future it would be preferable to use [[Meta:Administrators' noticeboard]] for Meta-specific extension requests. [[User:Reception123|Reception123]] [[User talk:Reception123|(talk)]] ([[Special:Contributions/Reception123|<span style="color:#47C326; font-weight: bold;">C</span>]]) 19:04, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
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::I personally (while i am not crat or steward) refuse to enable anything on this central wiki without any discussion. Also this page has more watchers and proposal is including proposal for LoginWiki. Sorry, I will not change my opinions/procedures for proposals.--[[User:MrJaroslavik|MrJaroslavik]] ([[User talk:MrJaroslavik|talk]]) 19:20, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
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:::Well, [[stewards' noticeboard]] would be where we'd handle requests for configuration changes to Loginwiki; any request or discussion wouldn't actually occur on Loginwiki itself. [[Community noticeboard]] is mainly for technical questions about users' wikis, or for pan-Miraheze proposals. I agree with [[User:Reception123|Reception123]] above that [[Meta:Administrators' noticeboard]] would be the best venue to request this, as [[Stewards]] monitor that noticeboard as well. I personally also think this extension is quite non-controversial, and you've articulated a good use for enabling it on Meta. Enabling on Loginwiki also makes sense for the same reasons. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 19:25, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
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::::No objection, if this can help you (and maybe others) for doing templates, why not? [[User:HeartsDo|HeartsDo]] ([[User_talk:HeartsDo|Talk]] / [[Special:CentralAuth/HeartsDo|Global]] / [[Meta:Wiki creators|Wiki Creator]]) 07:33, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
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:::::I do not really get what the extension does. Could you please describe that in a few sentences for me and anybody else who may be confused? Thank you. {{:User:R4356th/Signature}} 07:52, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
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::::::Sure. You have PageA that have 9 sections and is updated + you have PageZ where you want transclude 1 of 9 sections from PageA. You will do it by adding <nowiki>{{#lst|PageA|section_name}}</nowiki> to PageZ. It is not only about templates, can be used for many things, but i want it for templates. Right now we have/i created Template:Template list with subpage for every category of templates. When this enabled i can create one central template/page, then include only one section in template docs. It is my use case.--[[User:MrJaroslavik|MrJaroslavik]] ([[User talk:MrJaroslavik|talk]]) 08:01, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
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:::::: Or there is help page on Wikipedia [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Labeled_section_transclusion].--[[User:MrJaroslavik|MrJaroslavik]] ([[User talk:MrJaroslavik|talk]]) 08:05, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
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:::::::Why not if someone finds this useful in that case? :) {{:User:R4356th/Signature}} 08:16, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
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::::::::I first thought about whether opening a new thread for my observation was necessary but decided that it would make sense to add it here. My observation is more focused on the topic of the ''procedure'' more than on the merits of enabling this desired extension. I think this is an issue of ''direct democracy'' versus ''representative democracy''. Do we want users and the community to have to have a discussion and a vote for every single minor modification to this wiki's settings, or do we want to trust the elected people (Meta administrators and bureaucrats) to make these decisions for the community where the change is minor and uncontroversial? My personal view is that for extensions and settings that do not make any major modifications to the functioning of the wiki and add a very minor feature to the wiki, there is not necessarily a need for a complete discussion and a vote. Instead, a short period of time could be left for any (unlikely) opposes. However, it is clear that there are differing views on the matter, some seem to believe that most extensions and settings could be enabled without a serious discussion while others are apparently of the opinion that ''no'' extensions or settings, no matter how minor can be enabled without discussion. As I have made clear, I do not agree with any of these two radical views and wish to take a more balanced approach. Owing to this fact, I believe that the only way forward is to hold a local Meta Request for Comment and have the community decide on this matter and create a policy to regulate which type of extensions and settings can be enabled without a major discussion, and which types require a discussion. The lack of policy and disagreement between administrators themselves (as shown in the Report extension discussion) is clearly disadvantageous and confusing, and the only way to repair that is by having a clear rule. [[User:DeeM28|DeeM28]] ([[User talk:DeeM28|talk]]) 09:59, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
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:::::::::If there is no opposition to my idea to create a policy, I will create a draft to propose to the Meta community. Even if there is opposition to the creation of a policy itself, that can probably be expressed on the proposal itself. [[User:DeeM28|DeeM28]] ([[User talk:DeeM28|talk]]) 10:01, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
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::::::::::There's one more aspect - I don't trust every steward. Also ''Stewards will work with communities..'' in steward policy. Reason why i created this thread is because i wanted give space for possible oppose inputs from community and not request enabling because i want it. And no, this is not vote.--[[User:MrJaroslavik|MrJaroslavik]] ([[User talk:MrJaroslavik|talk]]) 10:24, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
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:::::::::::I have now created [[User:DeeM28/Meta extensions and settings policy|a draft proposal]] which I will soon propose as a local Meta RfC. [[User:DeeM28|DeeM28]] ([[User talk:DeeM28|talk]]) 17:22, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
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::::::::::::[[User:DeeM28|DeeM28]] Meta Wiki is a special wiki with regard to extensions and configuration changes, as it controls certain global configurations. So, Meta [[Meta:Bureaucrats|bureaucrats]] do not have [[ManageWiki]] permissions. While they close local RfCs and permissions requests requiring a community election, so your draft proposal would need further revision over the next several weeks. Additionally, it ''may'' actually be better as a community-endorsed guideline, by way of [[Requests for Comment|RfC]], to account for unforeseen circumstances requiring an extension or configuration be made by [[Stewards]]. Your point above about ''direct democracy'' and ''representative democracy'' was entirely on point, so really, all this needs is codifying what were previously non-codified conventions and customs. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 17:32, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
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:::::::::::::Regarding bureaucrats not being able to change ManageWiki directly via Meta, could Proposal 1 not exist and instead say that Stewards must have a bureaucrat's permission before changing a extension or setting? Even though Stewards would be doing these changes, they would only be doing them if bureaucrats have requested it (or if bureaucrats have evaluated consensus). And of course, if you disagree with my proposed proposal 1, you are free to vote for Proposal 2 instead, but I think the revised Proposal 1 can exist. [[User:DeeM28|DeeM28]] ([[User talk:DeeM28|talk]]) 18:09, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
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::::::::::::::[[User:DeeM28|DeeM28]] I've made some changes to your [[User:DeeM28/Meta extensions and settings policy|your proposal]], so please review those changes, and let me know any feedback at [[User talk:DeeM28/Meta extensions and settings policy]]. What I don't know how to revise, following these changes to the draft proposal, is Proposal 3. With regard to your question, though, yes, we can definitely do that for Proposal 1, and to be clear, [[Stewards]] have ''always'' requested a Meta [[Meta:Bureaucrats|bureaucrat]] review and assent to the change, if it's a Meta-specific configuration change. What we really need to codify, I think, is that this request and bureaucrat assent be made '''on-wiki''' and also to clarifying ''what'' requires a discussion and what does ''not''. What do you think? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 18:16, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
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:::::::::::::::I think perhaps my ideas were confusing. My main idea was: if the change is trivial, 24 hours should be left for any possible opposes, if the change is not trivial the date would've been 5 days (as specified in my original Proposal 3). I will also edit Proposal 1 to clarify that Stewards must have a bureaucrat's assent. [[User:DeeM28|DeeM28]] ([[User talk:DeeM28|talk]]) 18:28, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
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::::::::::::::::I am also confused regarding your modifications to "the location for Stewards to provide notification". Does that imply that if there is no discussion needed for a trivial extension, bureaucrats would not be involved in assenting? If that is so, then that is not what my original proposal intended, and you should create a separate one for that. [[User:DeeM28|DeeM28]] ([[User talk:DeeM28|talk]]) 18:31, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
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:::::::::::::::::[[User:DeeM28|DeeM28]] No, that's not what I meant by that. What I meant is if the configuration change or extension has potential global impacts, the steward should provide the same 24 hour notification to the community that a Meta bureaucrat would except in a different venue, specified by Proposal 1.2. Feel free to modify/clarify that as well. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 18:34, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
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::::::::::::::::[[User:DeeM28|DeeM28]] Yeah...perhaps it was just a bit confusing. I think my modified Proposal 1 has the same aims of your original Proposal 1; essentially, unless it has global impacts, [[Meta:Bureaucrats|bureaucrats]] on Meta should (a) determine whether a community discussion is required, for which those exceptions could be modified to that proposal and (b) close said community discussion. If the configuration change is Meta only, yes, I would have no issues with [[Stewards]] requesting that at [[Meta:Administrators' noticeboard]]. Feel free to further modify my suggested modifications to Proposal 1 (and other proposals) that incorporates this feedback. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 18:32, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
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:::::::::::::::::I think perhaps I am confused by the wording. Do you mean in Proposal 1 that while Stewards are responsible for enabling the extensions and settings, bureaucrats are the ones responsible for actually approving and giving assent to these changes? So Stewards would not directly be able to make modifications without bureaucrats agreeing? If so that is the original intention for my Proposal 1, if not, then it would be a different proposal that can be voted on. [[User:DeeM28|DeeM28]] ([[User talk:DeeM28|talk]]) 18:40, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
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::::::::::::::::::Proposal 1.2 also seems to say that, that Stewards are the ones who provide notification which is implying that they are the ones making the decision, where my original intention was that Stewards just effect the changes as requested by bureaucrats. [[User:DeeM28|DeeM28]] ([[User talk:DeeM28|talk]]) 18:41, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
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:::::::::::::::::::No, Proposal 1.2 is meant just to give the community a choice in notification/discussion venue for configuration changes/extension requests with global impacts. Proposal 1.1 is the procedures Meta bureaucrats would follow in notification/discussion venue. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 18:47, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
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:::::::::::::::::::Keep in mind, too, that any user (including an [[Meta:Administrators|administrator]]) can request an extension or configuration change, so it's not Meta bureaucrats that would be ''requesting'' Stewards effect the change. It would just be the Meta bureaucrat that gives their on-wiki assessment that the change (a) is within their scope, (b) does not require a community discussion, and (c) has passed the applicable/relevant notification and discussion period, so a [[Stewards|Steward]] can enable/effect the change. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 18:51, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
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::::::::::::::::::[[User:DeeM28|DeeM28]] Yeah, essentially, I just clarified your Proposal 1, though we probably should have a Proposal 2 that could be voted on as well, and Proposal 3 will need to be clarified to incorporate the updates. We ''may'' also want to articulate some guidelines, either in Proposal 3 or a new proposal, that provide additional guidance to Meta bureaucrats in determining whether the 24 hour or 5 day holding period applies. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 18:45, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
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:::::::::::::::::::I am unfortunately still confused by the fact that Proposal 1.2 and Proposal 1 I understand are saying that there are some situations where bureaucrats are not involved at all and it is Stewards who do everything. Maybe you could edit and clarify those for me? I understand them as saying "In circumstances where there doesn't have to be a discussion, bureaucrats are not involved and Stewards are the ones who advertise the change". [[User:DeeM28|DeeM28]] ([[User talk:DeeM28|talk]]) 18:53, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
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::::::::::::::::::::Proposal 1.1 and Proposal 1.2 are just supplementary proposals, with the former applicable to Meta bureaucrats and the latter applicable to stewards, that specify the respective notification/discussion venues that the respective groups are to use. Meta bureaucrats would use the venue specified in Proposal 1.1 for Meta only configuration/extension changes and Stewards would use the venue specified in Proposal 1.2 for Meta ManageWiki configuration/extension changes having global or pan-Miraheze impacts. I'll see if I can tweak that some, though. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 18:59, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
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:::::::::::::::::::::Thanks, it will be useful if you clarify it more, but now I think I understand: Proposal 1.2 only applies to global configuration changes that apply to the whole of Miraheze and are not under the control of the Meta community only and bureaucrats. Maybe that can be made a bit more clear in Proposal 1 as well, that Stewards only have jurisdiction for that. [[User:DeeM28|DeeM28]] ([[User talk:DeeM28|talk]]) 19:01, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
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::::::::::::::::::::::Essentially, yeah. This is why it's always been far from clear, due to the shared jurisdiction and because Meta isn't exclusively a ''local wiki''. For example, in normal circumstances, even on [[mh:template|Miraheze Template Wiki]] or [[mh:commons|Miraheze Commons]], each wiki has local bureaucrats, so [[Stewards]] simply would ''not'' act there, unless it's in the course of performing counter-vandalism activities for which local administration has not acted in a reasonable period of time or it's to perform an action which the local bureaucrats cannot effect (i.e., removing a local <code>bureaucrat</code> following [[w:WP:CON|consensus]] to do so). It would be simpler, certainly, if, say, Meta Wiki was like those wikis and all global configuration was done, say, on [[mh:login|Loginwiki]], but Loginwiki is not as actively monitored by the global community, so it wouldn't be as transparent. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:15, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
   
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== Is it possible to unattach my account on wikis? ==
Then we try using other extensions to realize the same effect. But all the attempts failed. I would like to use Module, but the most main problem is that I cannot get the counts into it as the extension Editcount's outputs can not be parameter for input.
 
   
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I'm wanting to see if I could remove some wikis from my global account info. --[[User:DeciduousWater534|DeciduousWater534]] ([[User talk:DeciduousWater534|talk]]) 00:43, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
So, is there any way to get users' edit counts into Module?
 
   
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:[[User:DeciduousWater534|DeciduousWater534]] While we cannot simply detach accounts from a global user account, they ''could'' be detached and merged into & reattached to another user account which you've either (a) already created or would (b) later create, I would think. Both global accounts would need to be confirmed to be owned and operated by you. Hope that helps. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:47, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Excuse my terrible English.
 
   
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::Sounds interesting, so how exactly does that work? I'm thinking that the merged account will only display the wikis that both accounts attached themselves to? --[[User:DeciduousWater534|DeciduousWater534]] ([[User talk:DeciduousWater534|talk]]) 01:28, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
--[[User:开炸弹车|开炸弹车]] ([[User talk:开炸弹车|talk]]) 04:09, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 
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:::Well, it's important to remember there is both a ''global'' account containing the attached, or unattached, local wiki ''user'' accounts. Global accounts cannot be merged, as far as I'm aware, so it's a bit of a time-consuming process we wouldn't likely want to make a habit of, but I believe it would involve unattaching selected local user accounts then merging them into the unattached local wiki user accounts of one's other username. When this process had concluded, the merged local wiki user accounts would then be reattached to the user's alternate global account. Hope that makes sense. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:33, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 
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::::We'd need a very good reason to be detaching, renaming and reattaching accounts. It's possible but untested and I'd be inclined to decline doing it. ~ [[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] - <sub>[[User talk: RhinosF1|(chat)]]</sub><sup>[[Special:CentralAuth/RhinosF1|· acc]][[Special:Contributions/RhinosF1|· c]] </sup> - ({{User:RhinosF1/sigcol|1=RhinosF1}}) 10:43, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
== SEO Issues ==
 
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:::::Well yes, there'd need to be a good reason; however, I wouldn't say it's fair to say it's untested. Wikimedia and other wiki farms/hosting servers ''have'' used it, and it's a production quality extension. The main issue is that it's not really scalable for due to the time involved, hence the need for there to be a good reason. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 14:10, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 
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:::Okay, makes sense. So how do I merge the accounts, or where do I go to request a merge? And am I able to pick out which wikis I want to merge the accounts with? --[[User:DeciduousWater534|DeciduousWater534]] ([[User talk:DeciduousWater534|talk]]) 02:16, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
[[File:Screenshot illustrating ingenwiki in Google web search result.png|thumb|right|A problem]]
 
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::::You can merge 2 global accounts but we're not going to detach accounts from existing wikis without a very good reason. ~ [[User:RhinosF1|RhinosF1]] - <sub>[[User talk: RhinosF1|(chat)]]</sub><sup>[[Special:CentralAuth/RhinosF1|· acc]][[Special:Contributions/RhinosF1|· c]] </sup> - ({{User:RhinosF1/sigcol|1=RhinosF1}}) 10:44, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
For some reason, the descriptions of articles are not appearing properly in search engines, for example this article in Google. Rather than the description of the article, it shows the description of Miraheze. This could create SEO problems. Please let me know if you can help, and if you feel it is easier to do it yourself, feel free to do so. By the way, the wiki in question is [https://ingen.miraheze.org Ingenpedia]. You can see more details at [https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?diff=155666&diffmode=source this diff]. Thanks in advance,&nbsp;[[User:Integer|Integer]] ([[User talk:Integer|talk]]) 19:48, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 
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::::The reason why I’m wanting to unattach some wikis is because they’re either closed wikis or wikis I have no plans to ever revisit, so that way those wikis don’t clutter my global account info and make it a bit easier to navigate. Is that a good enough reason? —[[User:DeciduousWater534|DeciduousWater534]] ([[User talk:DeciduousWater534|talk]]) 15:48, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 
:{{ping|Integer}} I have noticed that you have enabled the [[mw:Extension:Add HTML Meta and Title|Add HTML Meta and Title]] and [[mw:Extension:WikiSEO|WikiSEO]] extensions. However, you are not utilising them on that page. You should add parser tags for them following the documentation on [[mw:|MediaWiki.org]]. I hope this helps. [[User:R4356th|R4356th]] ([[User talk:R4356th|talk]]) 20:00, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 
::Ah, good point. Yeah, I suggested using one of those extensions, but didn't look into whether the tags were used on a specific page(s) or not. Can the tags be added to [[MediaWiki:Common.css]], perhaps, so they don't need to be added to every page? I'm not quite sure how either extension works. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:02, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 
::{{ping|R4356th}} Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find the proper tag for either extension here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parser_extension_tags. [[User:Integer|Integer]] ([[User talk:Integer|talk]]) 20:34, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 
:::{{ping|Integer}} You are looking at the wrong page, Click both of the links I gave in my reply above. {{ping|Dmehus}} You can create templates for this if you do not want the description and other SEO-related stuff to be different on every single page. It is safe to do it for keywords, I believe. [[User:R4356th|R4356th]] ([[User talk:R4356th|talk]]) 20:53, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 
::::{{ping|R4356th}} So I can use a tag from either one of those extensions? Either way, if it would be possible, it would be great to not have to put the tags on each page. Is there a way to set a default amount of words, and some type of title to automatically get set? [[User:Integer|Integer]] ([[User talk:Integer|talk]]) 20:57, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 
:::::{{ping|Integer}} Yes, it really depends on you. Do you have a basic understanding of SEO? If not then I recommend doing a little bit of research regarding this to understand what suits your need. [[User:R4356th|R4356th]] ([[User talk:R4356th|talk]]) 21:00, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 
::::::{{ping|R4356th}} Ok, I can try. Hopefully I will find something. [[User:Integer|Integer]] ([[User talk:Integer|talk]]) 21:02, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 
:::::::{{ping|R4356th}} Honestly, if I could get it to just be like Wikipedia's SEO, it'd be great. [[User:Integer|Integer]] ([[User talk:Integer|talk]]) 21:06, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 
::::::::{{ping|Integer}} I do not know how Wikipedia does that. But as I mentioned earlier, you could make templates. [[User:R4356th|R4356th]] ([[User talk:R4356th|talk]]) 21:11, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 
:::::::::{{ping|R4356th}} Sorry for so many questions, but do you have some examples or some sort of idea on how I could start making these templates? It would make the job much easier. [[User:Integer|Integer]] ([[User talk:Integer|talk]]) 21:15, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 
::::::::::{{ping|Integer}} I believe that R4356th meant by creating templates is to create like a basic template that you would, presumably, insert at the top of every ''article'' page, or any page where you want to optimize search engine search results. It would just be a matter of creating template parameters for, say, <code>title</code>, <code>keywords</code>, etc., that would be inserted into the relevant <code>meta</code> tags. Hope that helps. It's too bad, though, that this has to be done on ''every'' page, and couldn't be set globally. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:40, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 
:::::::::::Oh, ok. Thanks anyway. [[User:Integer|Integer]] ([[User talk:Integer|talk]]) 21:47, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 
::::::::::::{{ping|Integer}} Yes, please follow Dmehus's suggestion. [[User:R4356th|R4356th]] ([[User talk:R4356th|talk]]) 22:16, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 
 
== Subtitle ==
 
 
Can any admin please tell me that how I can add subtitle to the articles and pages in my wiki Gyaanipedia? [[File:Screenshot from Hindi Gyannipedia 10012021.jpg|thumb|100px]]
 
 
--[[User:Shaunak Chakraborty|Shaunak Chakraborty]] ([[User talk:Shaunak Chakraborty|talk]]) 05:32, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 
 
:[[User:Shaunak Chakraborty|Shaunak Chakraborty]] Please note I have procedurally [[Special:Diff/155861|moved]] this [[Special:Diff/155860|request]] from [[Meta:Administrators' noticeboard]] to [[community noticeboard]], where it is now in scope, as this can be answered by anyone, not just a Meta [[Meta:Administrators|administrator]]. A Miraheze community member should respond shortly, I suspect. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 06:26, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 
::{{ping|Shaunak Chakraborty}} That on Wikipedia has to do with the local extension [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Wikibase|Wikibase]], if you don't have that on your wiki then you either can't do it or have to some other way. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sabelöga|Sabelöga]] ([[User talk:Sabelöga|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sabelöga|contribs]]) 21:55, 11 January 2021 (UTC)</span></small>
 
:::{{ping|Shaunak Chakraborty}} To add to what [[User:Sabelöga|Sabelöga]] said, you can enable the [[mw:Extension:Wikibase|Wikibase]] extension in [[Special:ManageWiki/settings]] (on ''your'' wiki, of course). Hope that helps. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:52, 11 January 2021 (UTC)<!-- Template:Unsigned -->
 
 
== Login problem ==
 
 
Is there a page on common login problems/solutions? I looked in Help and FAQ, didn't see one.
 
 
I find that our users' most persistent problems are usually just getting past the first successful login. Also since our Wiki is a reference resource, people access it sporadically and they often forget/misplace credentials.
 
 
I know that there have been some changes awhile back that required some folks to dump their browser's cache; I tried that with a user this morning but without success.
 
 
As always, much thanks for the awesome service the folks at Miraheze provide.&nbsp;[[User:Chuck.Beckett|Chuck.Beckett]] ([[User talk:Chuck.Beckett|talk]]) 19:26, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 
 
:{{ping|Chuck.Beckett}} Thanks for the question, and for your suggestion(s). Do you mean that it would be useful for us to have a general help page on Meta Wiki related to common login problems not addressed in [[FAQ]], or do you mean that a specific user is having problems logging in? If the ''former'', certainly, we ''could'' create such a page, though there is also [[mw:Help:Logging in|Help:Logging in]] on [[mw:MediaWiki|MediaWiki.org]], which contains an array of freely licensed, public domain [[mw:Help:Contents|MediaWiki help pages]]. We're also planning on splitting [[FAQ]] into separate frequently asked question pages, sub-arranged by topical focus / area. In the interim, though, are there any common questions and proposed solutions you recommend adding to [[FAQ]]? If the ''latter'', can you provide a few more details on the ''exact'' error the user is receiving? Thanks. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:16, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 
::Thanks for the quick reply Dmehus. I was suggesting a Meta Wiki help page, particularly for any issues specific to miraheze, but I may have not adequately searched the existing help. Thanks for the links. I'll go thru the MediaWiki help pages. What I'm seeing is users who can't log in with the temporary password the Wiki sends them when I create their account. I think it would be more helpful all around if I were to provide more specific observations to diagnose my problems so I'll start taking notes as we onboard more users. Perhaps it's just user error and/or new bureaucrat error :-) [[User:Chuck.Beckett|Chuck.Beckett]] ([[User talk:Chuck.Beckett|talk]]) 01:20, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 
 
== Twitter widget not working? ==
 
 
I have the widgets extension enabled on my wiki and I've been using the Twitter extension for a couple years now without issue, but today I noticed it was broken, it only showed the text/code for it. I haven't changed anything else that would've broken it and recopied the twitter widget code just to be safe. Did Miraheze disable it? [[User:Polyrhythm|Polyrhythm]] ([[User talk:Polyrhythm|talk]]) 04:34, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 
 
:Yup, see [[2020-12-23 Security Disclosure]]. I'll be around tomorrow to see if I can help you find an alternative. <span style="text-shadow:7px 5px 7px grey;font-family:High Tower Text">-- [[User:Void|<span style="color:#123524">Void</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Void|<span style="color:#353839">''Whispers''</span>]]</sup></span> 04:46, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 
::Ah I figured it was something like that. I'd definitely love an alternative so thanks in advance! [[User:Polyrhythm|Polyrhythm]] ([[User talk:Polyrhythm|talk]]) 12:11, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 
:::@[[User:Polyrhythm|Polyrhythm]] You can enable the TwitterTag extension to embed Twitter timelines. Instructions are on [[mw:Extension:TwitterTag|this page]]. [[User:K599|K599]] ([[User talk:K599|talk]]) 20:26, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 
 
== Template:Graph:Street map with marks ==
 
 
Something happened to [https://ingen.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Graph:Street_map_with_marks this template] which is making it not work. That is affecting several pages throughout the wiki. Any help would be much appreciated. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:KheeraAnda|KheeraAnda]] ([[User talk:KheeraAnda|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/KheeraAnda|contribs]]) 14:23, 13 January 2021‎ (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
 

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Okay, ladies and gentlemen, I have a question for you: should we have a wiki on here like the Wiki Gazetteer on FANDOM? Put your vote in the headings below! And remember to sign your posts with ~~~~. Tali64³ (talk) 20:33, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

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  1. Support Why not? This would not be a bad idea for someone looking for a specific wiki. --Furricane (talk) 21:57, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
  2. Support per @Furricane: InspecterAbdel (talk) 21:16, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
  3. Strong support I strongly support this because we can find more specific wikis. CircleyDoesExtracter(Circley Talk | Global |Email the Cloud) 21:31, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
  4. Weak support I'm not opposed to this idea, in theory, and I do think that we need to rethink Gazetteer of wikis given that we have ~3,800 current wikis (which is too large for a single page). My main concern, which I expressed in declining the wiki request, was that this may suffer from lack of maintenance and timely updates. As well, by siphoning it away from Meta, we now have yet another wiki we have to somehow promote, so that sort of defeats the purpose of a gazetteer of wikis designed to promote customers' public wikis, doesn't it? Secondarily, I honestly think a better way to go about this is to add additional functionality and data output to the automated list, Special:WikiDiscover. That said, it's a good-faith idea, in theory and if well-maintained, so that is why I am expressing some support, albeit weak. Dmehus (talk) 23:18, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
  5. Strong support I think this will help in finding wikis. Admittedly, there was once a list on Wikia, but we've dropped it. Onmp314 (talk) 16:23, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
    @Onmp314: There are still two: the Wiki Wiki and the Wiki Gazetteer. Tali64³ (talk) 22:34, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

No[edit | edit source]

  1. Strong oppose I don't see the need for an entire wiki like this. We already have a page here on meta, Gazetteer of wikis. And in all honesty, a page on meta will most likely be given more notice than another external wiki that some will never visit. As such I am opposing this idea. While a good thought I don't see the need for it. I mean if you want it, go for you, but I don't think it should be a community wiki at all.
    @Universal Omega: There are 4055 wikis currently on Miraheze, too big to list on one page. An administrator could put a link to it on the main page. Tali64³ (talk) 16:35, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
    @Tali64³: We also have Special:WikiDiscover which lists every wiki on Miraheze.
  2. Oppose Not needed.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 06:29, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
  3. Weak oppose if there were a lot of people to add entries for wikis with short descriptions that would work for me but right now I think that the Meta gazeteer is enough and is helpful. DeeM28 (talk) 07:33, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
  4. Oppose A wiki for this is unnecessary, Gazetteer of wikis on Meta works fine. If there was a way to automate it with Special:WikiDiscover, I might rethink it, but otherwise this would likely get really outdated long-term. K599 (talk) 20:12, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  5. Oppose and I would like to note, wiki creations are at the sole discretion of wiki creators and global policy, and I view this as a way to circumvent a decline of mine. Thus, I also recommend a closure of this as not done. Zppix (Meta | CVT Member | talk to me) 05:33, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
  6. Weak oppose There is gazetteer of wikis. (But that alone may not fit.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waki285 (talkcontribs) 23:23, 2 December 2020‎ (UTC)
  7. Weak oppose I kind of think it's a good idea, but there'd be too many problems. Waldo (talk) 02:21, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Neutral/Abstain[edit | edit source]

I think it's a fair enough idea but there are many ways to approach it and would need lots of maintenance and would probably create some form of conflict -Bayugoon (talk) 19:45, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Discussion[edit | edit source]

  1. I'm currently been slowly working on a similar idea over the past month or two just documenting wikis: the Wikiverse. dibbydib 23:38, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
  2. As a Miraheze wiki creator, when this wiki truly passes through us for approval (I have recently accidentally approved this wiki sent in by @Tali64³:, which due to the ongoing discussion and the incorrect subdomain is currently pending steward review for deletion), it is important for us to know when to approve the wiki and who will be creating it. Therefore, who will be the founding Bureaucrat of the wiki if it passes community discussion?
    @Tali64³ and Universal Omega:: I would be the founder. Tali64³ (talk) 23:23, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
    @Tali64³: When having community discussions like these, who will be the founder is among what should be discussed. I believe who should be the founder should be among what is discussed here. Thanks!
  3. Relisting for another couple of weeks. Dmehus (talk) 05:20, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
  4. Relisting for another several weeks. Dmehus (talk) 11:42, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
  5. For those of you who oppose this on the grounds that it would get outdated, if this proposal passes, I'm planning to make a bot that works with Special:WikiDiscover to add entries. Tali64³ (talk) 16:21, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

A new wiki for the website's community[edit | edit source]

The Miraheze Community Wiki is a wiki for the community so people can get to know each other and welcome each other. I know Meta does that, but I think we need a wiki for that stuff.

Support[edit | edit source]

  1. Strong support I think we need a wiki for this kind of thing InspecterAbdel (talk) 22:44, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
  2. Weak support but not per any of the above or below, but because community noticeboard has become a catch-all for technical support questions, community discussions, and really anything. The organization is weak, and we could use a community wiki. I have no objections to it, but the main reason for my oppose weak support here is because the purpose is somewhat vague and unclear. I appreciate @InspecterAbdel: bringing this for a community discussion, though, and, since this wiki was simultaneously submitted for approval and created already, I think we should probably shift this wiki towards defining a clear purpose and terms of reference for its existence and the parameters by which the local bureaucrats can be removed (via Community noticeboard) here on Meta. Dmehus (talk) 14:55, 28 July 2020 (UTC) Amended. Moved from weak oppose to weak support Dmehus (talk) 15:31, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
  3. Support I think we should have one since fandom has one. Plus it's subdomain is valuable too. AppleCrunchy (talk) 19:16, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Abstain[edit | edit source]

  1. Symbol neutral vote.svg Abstain I really like to have a community wiki for new users to gather, although we have a Community noticeboard. CircleyDoesExtracter(Circley Talk | Global |Email the Cloud) 17:09, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Oppose[edit | edit source]

  1. Oppose. No, we don't need such a wiki. This page ("community noticeboard") is exactly for this kind of thing. I don't want to have to check both this page and a dedicated wiki to find out what is happening on the wiki farm, nor learn how such a wiki is organized. Spıke (talk) 04:25, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
  2. Oppose Per Spike. There is already not enough engagement and usage on Meta, so another wiki is really not what we need. We should focus on Meta. Reception123 (talk) (C) 06:08, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
  3. Strong oppose. We DO NOT need a community wiki is needed at this time. We already have this page, the community noticeboard, and Requests for Permissions, requests for global rights and requests for stewardship. It seems that it would serve the same service as as most of this meta wiki, and I just see no possible usage for this. I also agree with the comments that Spike has made about having to go back and forth between meta and a community wiki. Sorry, it is just not going to work. --Furricane (talk) 15:10, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
    @Furricane: I'm hoping you'll consider amending your !vote, per my comments above, as I really don't think @InspecterAbdel:'s goal was for this wiki to replace Meta. The problem with this request is that (a) the wiki shouldn't have been created without a community discussion (not, technically, a requirement, as far as I'm aware, but good practice) and (b) it should've had a clearer purpose, scope, and defined parameters, as we are doing with Dev Wiki and have done with Template Wiki and Miraheze Commons in the past. No community proposals or discussions, or even drafts of such proposals, would've occurred on this wiki. Rather, as I saw it (though vague and unclear), this wiki was meant to be a user collaboration and social connection wiki that would've actually sought to deepen community participation. Participation in this community wiki would've been completely voluntary and not participating would not have meant the user would "miss out" on important community discussions, as I don't think that was ever the intent behind @InspecterAbdel:'s good-faith proposal. Dmehus (talk) 15:27, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
  4. Oppose Not needed.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 06:34, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
  5. Oppose I do not think another wiki is necessary for the community because for me Meta is the wiki for the community. DeeM28 (talk) 07:30, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
  6. Oppose This is unnecessary, Meta already serves essentially the same purpose, and there's not really enough of that kind of "community" activity to need a separate wiki. K599 (talk) 20:27, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  7. Strong oppose After reading the first two oppose votes I agree with those users. We should try to engage the community on Meta and we can be doing community oriented activities here. Тишина (talk) 17:15, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
  8. Strong oppose I agree that the noticeboard is enough and if there was a whole wiki about the community it would be under used and it would require moving around instead of just looking at this one page Bayugoon (talk) 19:55, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Comments[edit | edit source]

  • I think the subject is not whether we need a community wiki or not, as we already have a community-centric wiki, but whether we need a miraheze-sanctioned community wiki.I think CN is sufficient, but it seems unusual for a topic to be set up for communication purposes, so someone may need to give an example.I found an image on ja.wiktionary.org showing the stroke order of my name, so it might be a good idea to post it, but it takes courage to be the first one.--松•Matsu (talk) 22:53, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Relist to delay archiving. I will be posting an updated proposal on next steps in the next several days. Dmehus (talk) 02:30, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Relist to delay archiving. I will be posting an updated proposal on next steps in the next several days. Dmehus (talk) 01:36, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Relist to delay archiving. I will be posting an updated proposal on next steps in the next several days. Dmehus (talk) 05:21, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Steward attention requested: This really should be closed. I already posted an updated proposal, and it was closed as a "duplicate" of this discussion. Justarandomliberal (talk) 16:06, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

A community Developers wiki[edit | edit source]

I have a proposition for the Miraheze community. For a while now I have been debating whether or not to create a developers wiki for Miraheze. Unlike the template wiki, this wiki will include CSS and JS scripts that anyone can import using mw.loader.load(), it will allow anyone who wants it to use scripts built by the community in their own wikis and/or in their own personal global or local JavaScript or CSS files. After consulting with @Dmehus: on Discord, I decided to get the communities feedback and/or support on this idea, therefore what does the Miraheze community think of this idea?

  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment: Yeah, though I don't think it's required to have a community discussion in this case, since it's going to be a community wiki for shared CSS and JavaScript files, among other things potentially, I thought it would be a good practice to have the discussion, especially if it proposes to use the name "Miraheze." Plus, I think it would be helpful for the community to (a) define the initial scope and purpose and (b) establish the founding bureaucrats for the wiki. From there, the local community can help to establish its local policies and further refine its purpose. In general terms, I support this as a community wiki as I think it is sufficiently different than the Template and Miraheze Bots + Tools wikis. I also think it could be useful at reducing the page load times of community-imported and -maintained user scripts, as opposed to always loading them from English Wikipedia and other wikis. Dmehus (talk) 23:17, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
@Dmehus: yes, some of that is part of my initial thoughts for the reasoning of the wiki. As for using the name Miraheze in it, I think it should be called Miraheze Developers Wiki or something similar. As for bureaucrats of the wiki, any candidate recommendations? And I think a community discussion for this is a good idea. It gives the community a way to give input, and their own unique ideas in it as well.
  • Strong support As proposer I support this, but also because I know JS and CSS pretty well, and would love to have a wiki like this for the Miraheze community.
  • Support This is a great idea for a new wiki. I think that by doing this, lots of new coding things could be enabled, including possibly global modules and gadgets. Great suggestion. I also have no concerns for this proposal. --Furricane (talk) 23:27, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
@Furricane: yes, I do believe that a wiki like this could be greatly beneficial in the long run, or at least I hope it can be.
  • Strong support I support this idea because not everyone can do custom CSS and (or) custom JS. Onmp314 (talk) 16:57, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Sounds like a good idea for having a central place to import JS and CSS. K599 (talk) 20:39, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support per my comments above. Dmehus (talk) 21:00, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Good. Waldo (talk) 21:56, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support would be a nice place to ask questions with in that area Bayugoon (talk) 19:50, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Potential rename and/or expanded scope of Dev Wiki[edit | edit source]

@Universal Omega: asked me a few days, or perhaps a week, ago if I had posted in this discussion thread about the potential renaming and expanded scope for Dev Wiki yet. Other tasks took priority, but seeing as this thread was due to be archived in the next day or so, I wanted to get this done. So, I'm going to {{ping}} those that participated above and those who participated in the discussion on potential name ideas/expanded scope on Discord.

So, the question is...given that the dev subdomain implies broader usage by and for developers beyond just CSS and JavaScript scripts, @Universal Omega, Void, Lakelimbo, NDKilla, Reception123, and Furricane: and I (did I forget anyone, @Universal Omega:?) basically toyed around with a number of potential new names and subdomains, the top three of which is identified below:

  1. Retain dev and expand the scope, or allow the community, via a future community noticeboard discussion to expand the scope at some point in the future;
  2. Rename subdomain to repo, which would be roughly in line with the current purpose and scope, but open to possibilities later (again, the community would retain the right modify the scope via a community noticeboard discussion); or,
  3. Rename subdomain to cssjs, with a narrow scope; limits us in the future, but entirely accurate; it's not too bad, as we could easily create a separate dev later, though we should reserve that subdomain in the blacklist)

Since @RhinosF1: didn't participate in the Discord discussion and since this doesn't require any advanced rights to close, I nominate him to assess the consensus and close this discussion in a week or two. --Dmehus (talk) 00:01, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of RhinosF1 as closer[edit | edit source]

@RhinosF1:, please indicate if you would be willing to close this discussion after 1-2 weeks (depending on the weather-related impacts to U.S. eastern seaboard residents).

Additionally, can I get a seconder to second this nomination? (Thought we could probably safely skip a full vote on nominating an uninvolved closer.)

Voting and Vote Tabulation Instructions[edit | edit source]

You are encouraged to express first and second choices in your !vote. Please do so by indicating, in your !vote for each proposal, whether it is your first or second choice. If no proposal achieves more than 50% of the valid !votes cast, the proposal with the least number of first choice !votes will be dropped, and those users' second choices will then be allocated accordingly, and the results retabulated in a second count.

Proposal 1: dev[edit | edit source]

Support[edit | edit source]

  1. Support
  2. Support as first choice, since the community remains overall authority over this wiki in terms of its bureaucrat removal (as may be required) and in terms of redefining, or broadening, its scope. Dmehus (talk) 11:50, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
  3. Support I think there is no need to rename. Onmp314 (talk) 16:57, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  4. Support Looks nice, and is easy to understand. K599 (talk) 20:47, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Oppose[edit | edit source]

Neutral/Abstain[edit | edit source]

This is arguably kind of useless, in this case, since the !votes won't be counted, but I'll nonetheless include it.

Proposal 2: repo[edit | edit source]

Support[edit | edit source]

Oppose[edit | edit source]

Neutral/Abstain[edit | edit source]

This is arguably kind of useless, in this case, since the !votes won't be counted, but I'll nonetheless include it.

  1. Symbol neutral vote.svg Neutral I like this idea as well, but it feels like it has other non-computer science-related use cases (i.e., for an archival- or museum-type wiki). Dmehus (talk) 11:50, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Proposal 3: cssjs[edit | edit source]

Support[edit | edit source]

Oppose[edit | edit source]

Neutral/Abstain[edit | edit source]

This is arguably kind of useless, in this case, since the !votes won't be counted, but I'll nonetheless include it.

  1. Symbol neutral vote.svg Neutral I also liked @NDKilla:'s idea, as it is the most specific and clearly defines this wiki's current purpose, but, at the same time, it really does restrict a future broadening of this wiki's scope to include a broader array of wiki developer resources, for which the community retains the absolute authority to redefine this wiki's purpose via community noticeboard. Dmehus (talk) 11:50, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Notes[edit | edit source]

  1. It's also important to point out that, per the approved wiki request, this is a community wiki and the community maintains overall supremacy over this wiki (i.e., its scope, bureaucrats, etc.).
  2. Everyone agreed to use @Lakelimbo:'s great logo for Dev Wiki.

How to patrol recent changes effectively[edit | edit source]

In Special:RecentChanges, unpatrolled edits will have a “!” mark (if you have the permission to patrol). But patrolling recent changes seems inconvenient and time-consuming.

For example, if there is an array of edits from one person on one page, these edits will be collapsed in RecentChanges. I can look at the changes made by these couple of edits in one page, but it seems I cannot patrol these edits directly — I have to patrol these edits respectively, which takes much time.

Besides, for Flow discussions, it seems I have to patrol the comments in respective pages, which is quite inconvenient.

I'm not familiar with patrolling. Is there any method to improve the efficiency of patrolling? Thanks. SolidBlock (talk) 13:45, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

SolidBlock, thank for the question, which is a good one for which I think there is no one right answer. I'll attempt to answer it with my patrolling strategies. Firstly, I usually use mainly the Special:NewPages page for patrolling, though this will only patrol new page creations across namespaces within a given timeframe (last 180 days, as far as I am aware), as I find Special:RecentChanges cumbersome from a workflow perspective for similar reasons to the ones you cited. That won't catch all recent changes, of course. So, when I do do RC patrolling, I'll usually either expand the arrow (where there are multiple changes by the same user(s)), and right-click and open the diff in a new tab, closing it once patrolled, or I'll actually open the link to the revision(s) in a new tab, then patrol all related revisions via the page history, beginning from the beginning. There are also some user scripts, which can also be gadgets if you prefer, related to patrolling, which you may find useful. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 14:40, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll try finding the user scripts through the link you gave. --SolidBlock (talk) 03:00, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Okay, great. :) Dmehus (talk) 03:16, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I found no one that can effectively mark page as patrolled within the user script list. The script 'RC Patrol' can view recent changes effectively, but it cannot mark page as patrolled at present. --SolidBlock (talk) 12:03, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

ManageWiki/Settings broken?[edit | edit source]

I was setting up my wiki, and after making several changes, I found out that somehow I can no longer save changes made on Special:ManageWiki/settings.

I can still submit the changes, but nothing happens.

I need to fix my logo URL to https://static.miraheze.org/nanon334wiki/6/6a/135px-NNN_brigade_logo.png, but I have no idea what to do because I can't manage my wiki through ManageWiki/settings.

Can anyone help me solve this issue? Thanks. なのん団名誉顧問 (talk) 16:30, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

なのん団名誉顧問 Note that due to the ManageWiki UI's design, changes made will not show within the ManageWiki UI until you exit the UI and go back in to the given page. Also, check to see in your Special:Log/managewiki if the changes were saved. If they were, then there should be no issue here. Additionally, note that logo changes can take up to 24 hours sometimes to be fully changed as it is either a MediaWiki or a Varnish cache issue. You should also try to use Ctrl + F5 to force refresh your page. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 16:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Dmehus I've already checked RecentChanges and Log/managewiki only to find that no logs were made.--なのん団名誉顧問 (talk) 16:42, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Let me try testing for you then. Dmehus (talk) 16:45, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. I hope it will work fine.--なのん団名誉顧問 (talk) 16:48, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
なのん団名誉顧問 Okay, I tried to make the change, and nothing happened. So I wonder if this is a ManageWiki cache issue? I will {{ping}} Reception123 to this request and see if there's a maintenance script they can run on your wiki. Also, I noticed you had https://nanon334.miraheze.org/w/thumb_handler.php preceding the filename. Note that won't work, as you need to use the static.miraheze.org URL you posted above, ensuring your files are 135x135px. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 16:51, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Dmehus Thanks for trying. Indeed I found out it didn't when I logged out (I suppose it's because the wiki is private), which is why I need to fix it to the correct URL above.--なのん団名誉顧問 (talk) 16:55, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
なのん団名誉顧問 I've asked in #miraheze-sre connect. Paladox and Universal Omega responded, the latter of whom has seen the issue. It is an apparent upstream bug with regard to the data input validation used in the wgCosmosProfileTagGroups field. He will be temporarily enabling the SocialProfile extension, making the change needed, then disabling the SocialProfile extension and any extension-added user rights/groups. Dmehus (talk) 17:11, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Dmehus Thanks for the investigation. I have confirmed that it is now fixed.--なのん団名誉顧問 (talk) 21:41, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Japanese translation[edit | edit source]

Soon, we'll finish translating Meta content into Japanese! All that's left is Template:Mental Health Resources. I would like to thank the User:開拓者 and everyone else who translated many pages before I started the translation process. Thank you😎    Waki285(talk|contrib|log|CA|Target|WUM/ja)(I am a wiki creator and translation administrator) 01:37, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Waki285 Wow,  great work! I know you've certainly been active as a translator, but didn't realize you were this close to finishing the Japanese translations. Though we're not ready to prepare any new pages for translation, please do let me know if you're interested in doing Japanese translations on Miraheze Commons or Miraheze Template Wiki. Dmehus (talk) 01:46, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
Great work! claps R4356th 2,942 Local Contributions Logged Actions Rights CentralAuth (talk) 04:51, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
Indeed, that's great work! I think a round of applause is in order. applauds Sabelöga (talk) 06:12, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Question about wiki creators creating this own wikis[edit | edit source]

Hello. I am wondering if it is usually okay or encouraged that wiki creators create and approve their own wikis. In my personal opinion, I do not think it is really a problem even though I do think it would be encouraged that wiki creators have another one peer review their request for impartiality reasons. However, I do have to say that when I was looking at wiki creator activity, I came across this request and find it a bit unjust that a wiki creator can request/have their wiki created with such a short description that I imagine would in other circumstances mean that a wiki would get rejected. DeeM28 (talk) 12:17, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, I saw this request specifically and thought about it. Personally, if I request a wiki, I will have it approved by another wiki creator (because my COI rules) - excluding one request, I created wiki myself. Technically, wiki creators should be able to approve their own wiki requests, because they should know all rules, etc.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 12:29, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
DeeM28 Two things. First, yes, it's perfectly acceptable for wiki creators to approve or create, as applicable, their own wikis; however, they should define a clear purpose and scope for their wiki. I'm not sure whether I noticed that specific request by that wiki creator you mentioned, but I have noticed several approved wikis from that wiki creator with descriptions that aren't meeting our requirements, and have planned to engage with the wiki creator to remind them to ensure each wiki they approve had a clear purpose and scope per Content Policy. It's also worth noting that wiki creators can create their wiki directly, but convention or custom is such that it's recommended they still use Special:RequestWiki in most cases. Second, with regard to wiki creator activity, note that for the purposes of inactivity, the policy is three months of global community activity on all platforms, so one cannot merely assess wiki creating activity or even other activity on Meta, but rather, they must examine all activity (i.e., on all attached wikis, on GitHub, on Phabricator, and on Discord and IRC—some flexibility is allowed on the latter two platforms as not all channels are publicly logged). Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 16:13, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
@MrJaroslavik:, @Dmehus: Thank you for both of your answers, they were helpful. It would be useful to engage with that wiki creator as I think wiki creators do need to follow the same standards whether it is their own wiki or it is not. If I was a wiki creator I would do the same as MrJaroslavik and prefer that someone else created it in order for the process to be completely impartial. I have looked once again at Msnhinet8's wiki creations and something else that does concern me as well is that they are mostly creating their own wikis and not other requested wikis. Will this be part of your message to him? DeeM28 (talk) 16:29, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
DeeM28 I probably won't include this message, no, but I will likely or may link to this discussion and mentioned that others have shared similar concerns. In terms of whether a wiki creator approves their own wiki, I'm reluctant to endorse the idea that they should not approve their own wikis as I agree with MrJaroslavik above that they should understand Content Policy fully and define a clear purpose and scope for their wikis; rather, they should be certain that their description meets, or ideally exceeds, what we expect in terms of a defined purpose and scope for the wiki. I'll try and get to my note for the wiki creator in the next several days, though. Dmehus (talk) 16:39, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
@Dmehus: If I am not mistaken, in the past 6 months every approved request was for Msnhinet8's own wikis. I understand if some wiki creators want to approve their own requests; I do not think that is a terrible thing to do, but this wiki creator seems to only be approving his/her/their own requests and I do not think that is an adequate use of the tools and I also do not think that that was mentioned in the original wiki request. DeeM28 (talk) 16:45, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
DeeM28 Yes, I'm not sure if it was every request or not, but I have definitely noticed that most of their approved wikis have been apparently their own wikis. That's not great, to be perfectly honest, and something that I will address. The downside to them giving up the bit, though, is they are not fluent in English, and Google Translate is, well, not great, to say the least, with the Asian languages (especially Mandarin or Cantonese). Their wikis haven't been problematic from a Content Policy perspective, but my concern is just that if the bit were removed (either by them resigning or because it was later removed by a Steward), is that they may have difficulty articulating the purpose for their wiki. We really could use a wiki creator who speaks both fluent Mandarin, Cantonese, and English, in my opinion. Dmehus (talk) 16:53, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for your response and I am glad that you will address it. I fully agree that wiki creators who understand and can speak more languages are very much necessary. There is a little irony with the last part however as they are not currently articulating the purposes clearly in either language 😉. DeeM28 (talk) 16:58, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
Agreed, and I do see the irony there. Dmehus (talk) 17:30, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

ログインできません[edit | edit source]

タイトルにも書かせていただきましたが、ログインできません。その為ipになっていますが、自称噓つきです。 自称嘘つき 06:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Above question translates using Google Translate as, "I wrote it in the title, but I can't log in. Therefore, it is an ip, but it has a self-proclaimed lie." Title translates as, "I can't login." 自称嘘つき, what's the error message you are receiving? Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 15:18, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Can you please try clearing your cookies for miraheze.org? R4356th 2,942 Local Contributions Logged Actions Rights CentralAuth (talk) 15:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
For what it's worth, I didn't recommend that, as I didn't want to potentially confuse the issue, if that's not the reason for why they can't login. Additionally, if it is the reason, and it's related to session hijacking, there's a few additional steps required. So, let's just wait a bit for the requestor to comment with the specific error message received. Dmehus (talk) 15:27, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
I will post my English translation.
title:I can't log in
description:As I wrote in the title, I can't log in. Therefore, although it is posted with an IP address, the real account name is '自称嘘つき'.
If its helpful then im happy.
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──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I tried it again and was able to log in. Excuse me. --自称嘘つき (talk) 05:18, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

自称嘘つき Oh, this is  great news. I'm glad to hear it. Thanks for updating us! Dmehus (talk) 07:24, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Weird request...[edit | edit source]

The wiki I made here, https://thesciencearchives.miraheze.org/wiki/, was based on a FANDOM/Wikia site I made that was essentially the same thing but had many pages protected so that it would be more reliable. The site was eventually pulled down due to breaking FANDOM's TOU. So would it be okay if I do the same thing to my wiki and protect all main namespace pages? (I'm not very good at HTML). Thanks. Joey717 (talk) 02:33, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Joey717 Yes, you can protect all pages in your wiki's (Main) namespace individually or protect your (Main) namespace at a given restriction level, but it's not obvious what you're trying to avoid or why the Fandom version of the wiki was dropped for breaking Fandom's Terms of Service, so I can't really comment on whether it's good or not. Can you clarify that a bit? But yes, as to your first question, you can definitely protect pages or namespace at a certain level. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 02:48, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
I want it to be more reliable than Wikipedia. Joey717 (talk) 03:19, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Joey717 Oh, that makes sense then, and yes, you absolutely can go into Special:ManageWiki/namespaces on your wiki and protect your wiki's (Main) namespace at whatever protection/restriction level you wish. You might also look into enabling the Moderation extension in Special:ManageWiki/extensions. Dmehus (talk) 03:23, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Thanks! Joey717 (talk) 07:56, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
No problem. Glad we were able to help. :) Dmehus (talk) 07:57, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Infobox needed - help[edit | edit source]

If a steward or admin would be so kind as to help me create an infobox for my wiki - this is the page that's got the problem:

https://altuniverseuk1182.miraheze.org/wiki/Holden_Reihi

I'm trying to create a vehicle infobox like the one seen at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Civic_(eighth_generation)

I can create templates, but getting infoboxes to work is a nightmare.

I'll give someone temp sysop privileges to do this if you need. Would really appreciate the help to expand this! --KingstonuHull-h1986 (talk) 12:44, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

You are right, those templates on Wikipedia are a nightmare to copy because there are so many other templates included which include other templates and so on. Besides that there are Lua procedures which are hard to look through. Therefore I recommend to design a much simpler template which could have the same parameters as in the Wikipedia and look nearly the same, LilyLilyu - smile.svg (Lilypond Wiki · talk to me · little garden · my wiki of everything) 05:52, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Infobox[edit | edit source]

I need help with editing infoboxes, what's the default for infoboxes and if there is none how can I set it up Caker18 (talk) 22:40, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Caker18 Thank you for your question. Please see this frequently asked question and this help page for this commonly asked question. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 22:59, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Resetting a wiki[edit | edit source]

I created a wiki today (gwangsi.miraheze.org), and I tried to import a template from Wikipedia. It imported Module:TNT, and now it keeps throwing errors on template pages. As I didn't add very much info, I would like to know if I would be able to reset / format my wiki due to the mess I've accidentally created. C.antczak (talk) 22:31, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

C.antczak You can request to have your wiki deleted, your database dropped, and your wiki recreated on Phabricator; however, I don't think that would be needed for a bad import of Module:TNT. You could just delete Module:TNT, or restore to an earlier, correct revision of Module:TNT. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 22:36, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

不正利用フィルターのエクスポートについて[edit | edit source]

不正利用フィルターを他wikiからエクスポートする方法が分かりません--自称嘘つき (talk) 06:08, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

If the machine translation is accurate, it appears that you want to "export" abuse filters from other wikis. The only way that can be done is by copying the content from wiki X and pasting it on wiki Y. Reception123 (talk) (C) 19:05, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Proposal to enable Extension Labeled Section Transclusion[edit | edit source]

Hello, i propose enabling of Labeled Section Transclusion extension on Meta-Wiki. I doing some template work and want to create for example page "Meta:Templates", then insert sections (like "Social media userboxes" or "Inline talk templates") using section transclusion into documentation subpages of templates. Also i propose enabling this extension on LoginWiki, because when i will be done here, i plan to import some templates (like 90% are userboxes) and i dont see problem in creating of one page in project/main namespace. So what are your thoughts? Thank you,--MrJaroslavik (talk) 12:29, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

I think that per what I said about a month ago, since this extension doesn't ultimately change the workflow of this wiki and just provides a small extra feature it should be fine to enable without a full formal discussion, as I can't see why it would be opposed. For the record, in the future it would be preferable to use Meta:Administrators' noticeboard for Meta-specific extension requests. Reception123 (talk) (C) 19:04, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
I personally (while i am not crat or steward) refuse to enable anything on this central wiki without any discussion. Also this page has more watchers and proposal is including proposal for LoginWiki. Sorry, I will not change my opinions/procedures for proposals.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 19:20, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
Well, stewards' noticeboard would be where we'd handle requests for configuration changes to Loginwiki; any request or discussion wouldn't actually occur on Loginwiki itself. Community noticeboard is mainly for technical questions about users' wikis, or for pan-Miraheze proposals. I agree with Reception123 above that Meta:Administrators' noticeboard would be the best venue to request this, as Stewards monitor that noticeboard as well. I personally also think this extension is quite non-controversial, and you've articulated a good use for enabling it on Meta. Enabling on Loginwiki also makes sense for the same reasons. Dmehus (talk) 19:25, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
No objection, if this can help you (and maybe others) for doing templates, why not? HeartsDo (Talk / Global / Wiki Creator) 07:33, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
I do not really get what the extension does. Could you please describe that in a few sentences for me and anybody else who may be confused? Thank you. R4356th 2,942 Local Contributions Logged Actions Rights CentralAuth (talk) 07:52, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Sure. You have PageA that have 9 sections and is updated + you have PageZ where you want transclude 1 of 9 sections from PageA. You will do it by adding {{#lst|PageA|section_name}} to PageZ. It is not only about templates, can be used for many things, but i want it for templates. Right now we have/i created Template:Template list with subpage for every category of templates. When this enabled i can create one central template/page, then include only one section in template docs. It is my use case.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 08:01, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Or there is help page on Wikipedia [1].--MrJaroslavik (talk) 08:05, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Why not if someone finds this useful in that case? :) R4356th 2,942 Local Contributions Logged Actions Rights CentralAuth (talk) 08:16, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
I first thought about whether opening a new thread for my observation was necessary but decided that it would make sense to add it here. My observation is more focused on the topic of the procedure more than on the merits of enabling this desired extension. I think this is an issue of direct democracy versus representative democracy. Do we want users and the community to have to have a discussion and a vote for every single minor modification to this wiki's settings, or do we want to trust the elected people (Meta administrators and bureaucrats) to make these decisions for the community where the change is minor and uncontroversial? My personal view is that for extensions and settings that do not make any major modifications to the functioning of the wiki and add a very minor feature to the wiki, there is not necessarily a need for a complete discussion and a vote. Instead, a short period of time could be left for any (unlikely) opposes. However, it is clear that there are differing views on the matter, some seem to believe that most extensions and settings could be enabled without a serious discussion while others are apparently of the opinion that no extensions or settings, no matter how minor can be enabled without discussion. As I have made clear, I do not agree with any of these two radical views and wish to take a more balanced approach. Owing to this fact, I believe that the only way forward is to hold a local Meta Request for Comment and have the community decide on this matter and create a policy to regulate which type of extensions and settings can be enabled without a major discussion, and which types require a discussion. The lack of policy and disagreement between administrators themselves (as shown in the Report extension discussion) is clearly disadvantageous and confusing, and the only way to repair that is by having a clear rule. DeeM28 (talk) 09:59, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
If there is no opposition to my idea to create a policy, I will create a draft to propose to the Meta community. Even if there is opposition to the creation of a policy itself, that can probably be expressed on the proposal itself. DeeM28 (talk) 10:01, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
There's one more aspect - I don't trust every steward. Also Stewards will work with communities.. in steward policy. Reason why i created this thread is because i wanted give space for possible oppose inputs from community and not request enabling because i want it. And no, this is not vote.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 10:24, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
I have now created a draft proposal which I will soon propose as a local Meta RfC. DeeM28 (talk) 17:22, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
DeeM28 Meta Wiki is a special wiki with regard to extensions and configuration changes, as it controls certain global configurations. So, Meta bureaucrats do not have ManageWiki permissions. While they close local RfCs and permissions requests requiring a community election, so your draft proposal would need further revision over the next several weeks. Additionally, it may actually be better as a community-endorsed guideline, by way of RfC, to account for unforeseen circumstances requiring an extension or configuration be made by Stewards. Your point above about direct democracy and representative democracy was entirely on point, so really, all this needs is codifying what were previously non-codified conventions and customs. Dmehus (talk) 17:32, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Regarding bureaucrats not being able to change ManageWiki directly via Meta, could Proposal 1 not exist and instead say that Stewards must have a bureaucrat's permission before changing a extension or setting? Even though Stewards would be doing these changes, they would only be doing them if bureaucrats have requested it (or if bureaucrats have evaluated consensus). And of course, if you disagree with my proposed proposal 1, you are free to vote for Proposal 2 instead, but I think the revised Proposal 1 can exist. DeeM28 (talk) 18:09, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
DeeM28 I've made some changes to your your proposal, so please review those changes, and let me know any feedback at User talk:DeeM28/Meta extensions and settings policy. What I don't know how to revise, following these changes to the draft proposal, is Proposal 3. With regard to your question, though, yes, we can definitely do that for Proposal 1, and to be clear, Stewards have always requested a Meta bureaucrat review and assent to the change, if it's a Meta-specific configuration change. What we really need to codify, I think, is that this request and bureaucrat assent be made on-wiki and also to clarifying what requires a discussion and what does not. What do you think? Dmehus (talk) 18:16, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
I think perhaps my ideas were confusing. My main idea was: if the change is trivial, 24 hours should be left for any possible opposes, if the change is not trivial the date would've been 5 days (as specified in my original Proposal 3). I will also edit Proposal 1 to clarify that Stewards must have a bureaucrat's assent. DeeM28 (talk) 18:28, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
I am also confused regarding your modifications to "the location for Stewards to provide notification". Does that imply that if there is no discussion needed for a trivial extension, bureaucrats would not be involved in assenting? If that is so, then that is not what my original proposal intended, and you should create a separate one for that. DeeM28 (talk) 18:31, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
DeeM28 No, that's not what I meant by that. What I meant is if the configuration change or extension has potential global impacts, the steward should provide the same 24 hour notification to the community that a Meta bureaucrat would except in a different venue, specified by Proposal 1.2. Feel free to modify/clarify that as well. Dmehus (talk) 18:34, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
DeeM28 Yeah...perhaps it was just a bit confusing. I think my modified Proposal 1 has the same aims of your original Proposal 1; essentially, unless it has global impacts, bureaucrats on Meta should (a) determine whether a community discussion is required, for which those exceptions could be modified to that proposal and (b) close said community discussion. If the configuration change is Meta only, yes, I would have no issues with Stewards requesting that at Meta:Administrators' noticeboard. Feel free to further modify my suggested modifications to Proposal 1 (and other proposals) that incorporates this feedback. Dmehus (talk) 18:32, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
I think perhaps I am confused by the wording. Do you mean in Proposal 1 that while Stewards are responsible for enabling the extensions and settings, bureaucrats are the ones responsible for actually approving and giving assent to these changes? So Stewards would not directly be able to make modifications without bureaucrats agreeing? If so that is the original intention for my Proposal 1, if not, then it would be a different proposal that can be voted on. DeeM28 (talk) 18:40, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Proposal 1.2 also seems to say that, that Stewards are the ones who provide notification which is implying that they are the ones making the decision, where my original intention was that Stewards just effect the changes as requested by bureaucrats. DeeM28 (talk) 18:41, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
No, Proposal 1.2 is meant just to give the community a choice in notification/discussion venue for configuration changes/extension requests with global impacts. Proposal 1.1 is the procedures Meta bureaucrats would follow in notification/discussion venue. Dmehus (talk) 18:47, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Keep in mind, too, that any user (including an administrator) can request an extension or configuration change, so it's not Meta bureaucrats that would be requesting Stewards effect the change. It would just be the Meta bureaucrat that gives their on-wiki assessment that the change (a) is within their scope, (b) does not require a community discussion, and (c) has passed the applicable/relevant notification and discussion period, so a Steward can enable/effect the change. Dmehus (talk) 18:51, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
DeeM28 Yeah, essentially, I just clarified your Proposal 1, though we probably should have a Proposal 2 that could be voted on as well, and Proposal 3 will need to be clarified to incorporate the updates. We may also want to articulate some guidelines, either in Proposal 3 or a new proposal, that provide additional guidance to Meta bureaucrats in determining whether the 24 hour or 5 day holding period applies. Dmehus (talk) 18:45, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
I am unfortunately still confused by the fact that Proposal 1.2 and Proposal 1 I understand are saying that there are some situations where bureaucrats are not involved at all and it is Stewards who do everything. Maybe you could edit and clarify those for me? I understand them as saying "In circumstances where there doesn't have to be a discussion, bureaucrats are not involved and Stewards are the ones who advertise the change". DeeM28 (talk) 18:53, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Proposal 1.1 and Proposal 1.2 are just supplementary proposals, with the former applicable to Meta bureaucrats and the latter applicable to stewards, that specify the respective notification/discussion venues that the respective groups are to use. Meta bureaucrats would use the venue specified in Proposal 1.1 for Meta only configuration/extension changes and Stewards would use the venue specified in Proposal 1.2 for Meta ManageWiki configuration/extension changes having global or pan-Miraheze impacts. I'll see if I can tweak that some, though. Dmehus (talk) 18:59, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, it will be useful if you clarify it more, but now I think I understand: Proposal 1.2 only applies to global configuration changes that apply to the whole of Miraheze and are not under the control of the Meta community only and bureaucrats. Maybe that can be made a bit more clear in Proposal 1 as well, that Stewards only have jurisdiction for that. DeeM28 (talk) 19:01, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Essentially, yeah. This is why it's always been far from clear, due to the shared jurisdiction and because Meta isn't exclusively a local wiki. For example, in normal circumstances, even on Miraheze Template Wiki or Miraheze Commons, each wiki has local bureaucrats, so Stewards simply would not act there, unless it's in the course of performing counter-vandalism activities for which local administration has not acted in a reasonable period of time or it's to perform an action which the local bureaucrats cannot effect (i.e., removing a local bureaucrat following consensus to do so). It would be simpler, certainly, if, say, Meta Wiki was like those wikis and all global configuration was done, say, on Loginwiki, but Loginwiki is not as actively monitored by the global community, so it wouldn't be as transparent. Dmehus (talk) 20:15, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Is it possible to unattach my account on wikis?[edit | edit source]

I'm wanting to see if I could remove some wikis from my global account info. --DeciduousWater534 (talk) 00:43, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

DeciduousWater534 While we cannot simply detach accounts from a global user account, they could be detached and merged into & reattached to another user account which you've either (a) already created or would (b) later create, I would think. Both global accounts would need to be confirmed to be owned and operated by you. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 00:47, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Sounds interesting, so how exactly does that work? I'm thinking that the merged account will only display the wikis that both accounts attached themselves to? --DeciduousWater534 (talk) 01:28, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Well, it's important to remember there is both a global account containing the attached, or unattached, local wiki user accounts. Global accounts cannot be merged, as far as I'm aware, so it's a bit of a time-consuming process we wouldn't likely want to make a habit of, but I believe it would involve unattaching selected local user accounts then merging them into the unattached local wiki user accounts of one's other username. When this process had concluded, the merged local wiki user accounts would then be reattached to the user's alternate global account. Hope that makes sense. Dmehus (talk) 01:33, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
We'd need a very good reason to be detaching, renaming and reattaching accounts. It's possible but untested and I'd be inclined to decline doing it. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c - (WB) 10:43, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Well yes, there'd need to be a good reason; however, I wouldn't say it's fair to say it's untested. Wikimedia and other wiki farms/hosting servers have used it, and it's a production quality extension. The main issue is that it's not really scalable for due to the time involved, hence the need for there to be a good reason. Dmehus (talk) 14:10, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Okay, makes sense. So how do I merge the accounts, or where do I go to request a merge? And am I able to pick out which wikis I want to merge the accounts with? --DeciduousWater534 (talk) 02:16, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
You can merge 2 global accounts but we're not going to detach accounts from existing wikis without a very good reason. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c - (WB) 10:44, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
The reason why I’m wanting to unattach some wikis is because they’re either closed wikis or wikis I have no plans to ever revisit, so that way those wikis don’t clutter my global account info and make it a bit easier to navigate. Is that a good enough reason? —DeciduousWater534 (talk) 15:48, 2 March 2021 (UTC)