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Number of articles[edit | edit source]

I recently imported content from another wiki. Now, my wiki says {{NUMBEROFPAGES}} is 2,964 (an accurate number, I assume), but {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} is 1. What is wrong here? Do the pages not qualify as articles? Is there a problem with the code? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc (talk) 22:18, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

And one more question: is it possible to add (or at least request) new interwiki links for a specific wiki? I can't find any information about it. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc (talk) 22:41, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
Gfdgsgxgzgdrc About your second question. I can help you with the interwikis which ones do you want to add? Hispano76 (talk) 23:15, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
Here are all the interwiki links from the old wiki that the content was imported from (alphabetically):
Prefix URL
archive http://fanstuff2.referata.com/$1
forum https://hrfwiki2.freeforums.net/$1
hrfanon http://hrfanon.referata.com/wiki/$1
hrwiki http://hrwiki.org/wiki/$1
hsr https://www.homestarrunner.com/$1
instagram https://www.instagram.com/$1
oldforum http://s13.zetaboards.com/HR_Fanstuff_Wiki_2/$1
scratch https://scratch.mit.edu/$1
store https://homestore-runner.myshopify.com/$1
twitter https://www.twitter.com/$1
wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/$1
youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=$1
If you could add those to the new one, that would be great. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc (talk) 23:25, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
When are you planning to do this? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc (talk) 19:15, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Gfdgsgxgzgdrc Already added except:
zetaboards, redirect me to another website have you changed your web domain or have you no relation/interest with your wiki?
homestore-runner, It is not possible for me to access this website and therefore I will not add it for not being able to verify it.
Greetings Hispano76 (talk) 21:08, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Hello, i've changed wgArticleCountMethod to 'any' from the previous default of 'link' for your wiki. This has bumped the count to 1,317 now! See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Article_count . Paladox (talk) 21:29, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Hispano76— For Zetaboards, yes, the URL has changed recently. But keep the interwiki URL the same as what I have listed, or else it'll mess up the existing links on the wiki. As for Homestore-Runner, I can access it just fine through that link. But it's not essential, so you don't necessarily have to do that one.
Paladox— Thanks a lot! Gfdgsgxgzgdrc (talk) 01:27, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
I'm so sorry for bothering you so much, but I made a mistake earlier. Could you make it so that the "archive" interwiki link goes to http://fanstuff2.referata.com/wiki/$1 instead of http://fanstuff2.referata.com/$1? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc (talk) 01:26, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
Hello? (Again, sorry for taking so much of your time.) Gfdgsgxgzgdrc (talk) 23:41, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
Hello, I’ve fixed the link now. Paladox (talk) 03:39, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Thank you so much! Gfdgsgxgzgdrc (talk) 03:54, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Is Miraheze politically correct?[edit | edit source]

As I have read in the terms of use, you must comply with the laws of California and the Netherlands, in addition to not promoting hate speech. However, there are some doubts I have about it. When I was in Wikia, they forced me to be politically correct (for example: you can't criticize the LGBT community, even if it is a constructive and polite criticism; you can't written the n-word or you will be banned, even if it's for explanatory reasons). The rules of Miraheze indicate that this wiki network is neutral, so I would like to know what is forbidden to do with specific topics:

  1. Talk about feminism: Write an article explaining how this issue is related to the topic of a certain wiki. Mention in what way it affects positively or negatively. This article will be written formally and politely.
    1. Same as above, but with other sensitive topics such as:
      1. LGBT community and movement.
      2. Left-wing and right-wing ideologies and their derivatives.
      3. Some taboos like: pedophilia, zoophilia and other rare fetishism (these articles will be written modestly and sensitive/offensive images will not be used) .
      4. Some religions like: Christianity, Islam, Judaism (the most sensitive), Buddhism.
      5. Some taboo practices such as: cannibalism, abortion.
      6. Is there a topic that we should not touch?
  2. Moderation of comments: As the size of a wiki increases, the comments received may be so many that some may escape the reach of moderators or administrators. It is possible that comments appear with malicious intentions.
    1. For example, I received a comment from someone who used the "soft" version of the n-word, is not there any problem with that?: https://giantess.miraheze.org/wiki/Ochiko_Terada#comment-17
  3. What happens if the n-word is written? Is there automatic banning or not? Is it forbidden to do it or not?
    1. Are there words that are forbidden to write?

Obviously, if someone is going to touch on some topics, he/she will be done for informative reasons, and he/she gets to show negative aspects of these topics (something like the critical vision of a certain community), he/she will be for informational reasons and not to promote hatred . Example:

  • Informational text (omniscient narrator): "The Minecraft community hates the Fortnite community, due to the following reasons: ..."
  • Hate Speech (protagonist narrator): "We, the Minecraft community, must abhor and attack the Fortnite community for the following reasons: ..."

I know that this subject could bother some, but I need to get rid of doubts before I make a mistake. It's better to prevent. Thanks. --PaladinDeGigantas (talk) 02:57, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

FYI: Code of Conduct and Content Policy. — revi 09:03, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
Also look at the similar past discussion at Talk:Terms of Use#About disturbing content. — revi 09:06, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
While its not policy (or worded like such), I would recommend keeping wiki content unoffensive, polite, and respectful for all parties. Zppix (Meta | CVT Member | talk to me) 14:25, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
Under Terms_of_Use#8._Access_Restrictions, Miraheze staff and stewards have the authority to ban a disruptive user due to harassment other users on any Wikis. Email contact "staff at miraheze.org" in privately, if the case are sensitive. SA 13 Bro (talk) 23:08, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
This is not clear. I have a proposal to have a RFC about changes to the Terms of Use. Fungster My talk | My contributions | FMF Meta | CA 06:14, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
Just a note that a RfC would only be advisory to Miraheze staff on a matter such as ToU and a RfC can not bring change without the authority of a staff member approving them through internal mechanisms. John (talk) 18:10, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
Wikia has a policy to ban underage users immediately after the underage users are discovered to be underage. That's also one of the reasons some wikis from Wikia moved to Miraheze since it has no ads and friendly staff who will not deal with underage users. -- Fungster My talk | My contributions | FMF Meta | CA 00:25, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
We don’t elect to ban underage users, we’re legally obligated to under the same laws as Wikia. John (talk) 01:01, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
I am not a active user on Fandom. But I am pretty sure that Wikia TOU also have the event ban policy for those users who are under 13 years old, until their age have reach at 13. SA 13 Bro (talk) 19:48, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
Both Wikia and Miraheze falls under US jurisdiction (as the financial stuff is handled in the US, and we have server in the US), and under the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA), both are required to get a consent. It is too complex to comply with such requirement (See the Compliance section), so if you don't treat Private Information of people under 13 (Of course Miraheze might be trating people under 13 unknowingly, but the point of COPPA is "Knowingly".), you don't have to deal with the complex business. — revi 01:34, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
Miraheze, Wikia and the Wikimedia Foundation might be treating people under 13 unknowingly, based on evidence when I was on Wikia. Some of the users who are underage have already been blocked until they turn 13. Miraheze however, is not an organisation, so the COPPA law might not be applied to this wiki. Fungster (contribs - email - CA) 16:54, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

How to edit my local interwiki table?[edit | edit source]

I want to add several other wikis to Special:interwiki in my wiki on miraheze,but Here I can't directly edit database as my own Mediawiki site,What should I do?Logojackmowo (talk) 02:23, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Just post here what links you want and an interwiki admin or steward will add them after verifying that they are not malicious. Bonnedav (talk) 03:02, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

A little doubt...[edit | edit source]

  • Dude, it's possible to rename users in Miraheze wikis?
  • It's possible to check the user's logs/registers (CheckUser)?

-Haizaki (talk) 05:28, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

You need to ask a steward or staff member RhinosF1 (talk) 13:58, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

How do you become an administrator? Please give me the admin right on the Meta:Requests for permissions page. Mohamed Saed 16:22, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

I already asked a steward to request to block you if you keep requesting rights Fungster My talk | My contributions | FMF Meta | CA 03:46, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
Hey, that's not nice. Mar9122 (talk) 04:30, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for telling Fungster, Mar9122! Mohamed Saed 14:59, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
You're welcome. I just can't stand trolls and bigotry. Mar9122 (talk) 17:26, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
I'd like to clarify that hat collecting is frowned upon, and repeatedly asking for a right without doing anything to deserve it will simply make it more unlikely to receive it. Reception123 (talk) (C) 17:32, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Anyway, thank you for your help.Haizaki (talk) 00:01, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

@Reception123: May you please make a policy about user rights that is about that user who always requests rights will not receive said rights per https://hypotheticalhurricanes.fandom.com/wiki/HHW:POLICY Fungster (contribs - email - CA) 09:27, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Need help making a template...[edit | edit source]

Do you how to make a Collapse Template? It's would nice if you either help me or even tell me how to. I tried to make one, but it failed. Mar9122 (talk) 03:44, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

You need to insert all the code on Wikipedia's MediaWiki:Common.css, make the template Navbox on your wiki, insert Module:Navbox, Module:Navbar and Module:Arguments and also Module:Color contrast and Module:Color contrast/colors if script errors arise. Fungster My talk | My contributions | FMF Meta | CA 09:55, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
And? Mar9122 (talk) 12:51, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Copyright and fair use[edit | edit source]

After reading some articles on Wikipedia I'm still confused about what "copyright" and "fair use" really mean in a wiki hosted by Miraheze, especially regarding media content. Let's say I want to take some screenshots from a popular tv series to embellish an article about that series, is it ok or not? What about gifs or small videos?--Wedhro (talk) 20:02, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

@Wedhro: It is okay if the image, video, recording or the text is in the public domain. Fungster (contribs - email - CA) 09:24, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
But I'm talking about Fair use, which is specifically about copyrighted content.--Wedhro (talk) 09:26, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Miraheze[edit | edit source]

Miraheze is a big wiki hosting service. Do you have a company as this wiki “Miraheze, Inc.”? If you have it, than who is the Founder? Executive Director? Chair of the Board? May you also add emails like emergency at miraheze.org? Fungster (contribs - email - CA) 07:50, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

We are currently not incorporated yet. Though we plan to file for non profit status in the future. Because we are not incorporated, we currently do not have a board yet. We currently do not offer a emergency at  address as we cannot commit to such a thing. Though we have a staff at  address, Also if you deem necessary, please notify relevant authorities in an emergency. Paladox (talk) 16:41, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

While I understand the benefits of incorporation, I would say that given the current drama with the WMF vs. Wikipedia right now, that maybe perhaps we would reconsider being incorporated, especially since we do promote the "community driven" aspect.. Just my opinion. Amanda Catherine (talk) 22:19, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Legal protection of ourselves is the upmost priority and is the main driver of incorporation. John (talk) 22:43, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
What do you mean by "legal protection"? Being incorporated isn't going to make you more immune to lawsuits or make people less likely to file them. What I'm concerned about is establishing a gap between the community, of which currently the stewards and more or less the sysadmins are considered to be members, and the "powers that be" namely paid employees with some authority over the community. While Miraheze is a large service and is ever growing, I'd be afraid that the service wouldn't survive if we ever had something like the current WMF vs. Wikipedia drama unfold here. Besides, I wouldn't want to see Miraheze adopt some of the policies that the WMF has, many of which are contributors to the current drama, such as the Foundation's supposed right to impose global bans that are not appealable to anybody except Jimbo, without discussion and without stating the reason for said bans.
TL;DR I don't want to see Miraheze become something like the WMF where there is a disconnect between the Foundation or the Board and the community. The way it is now where the "staff members" are also community members is the way it should be. Amanda Catherine (talk) 23:24, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
You are correct incorporated isn't going to make Miraheze immune to law suits, but it means I can't be taken to court in the UK personally for my actions in the capacity I take as a system administrator - as I am then no longer personally legally responsible for my actions on behalf of Miraheze - but while currently I am 100% possible. Further, it protects Miraheze against local law enforcement. An example would be if the UK police give a warrant for me to release information Miraheze stores - I have to hand it over. If not, I can be arrested. While if Miraheze is an organisation, the warrant has to be made out to Miraheze and can't be made out to myself. Miraheze is not in a position to hire staff - therefore we will always be "community members". Though of course, nothing stops us requesting help from non-community members as has happened in the past. Some people like Paladox came direct, they weren't selected from the community we had already. John (talk) 01:37, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
So where is the "company" "Miraheze, Inc." founded? In the Netherlands or in California? If you did have a Board, who will it contain? Where is the headquarters? Fungster (contribs - email - CA) 23:52, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
It is founded no where. When it is, it will be in the US. The board will likely contain existing staff members within reason and otherwise. The registered offices will be up to Labster but likely his premises or a property he owns/runs/control unrelated to Miraheze. John (talk) 01:37, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
If the headquarter building does exist, you might want to create a page called Miraheze Office. Fungster (contribs - email - CA) 03:41, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
Miraheze wiki hosting server have 2 co-founders, which is John and Southparkfan, I think this may let them for decision whether to build the Miraheze Office in the future. What was Amanda Catherine have mentioned at above are completely right, Wikipedia are currently having drama, I also don't want to see Miraheze wiki one day become like WMF. SA 13 Bro (talk) 10:31, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
We definitely need to build this Miraheze Office to make the service grow bigger Fungster (contribs - email - CA) 12:11, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Can I backup?[edit | edit source]

If I make a personal wiki can I have a backup if Miraheze ever breaksdown? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.79.153.102 (talkcontribs)

Of course! Special:DataDump can be used for that effect. Reception123 (talk) (C) 16:20, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
Yes, the data dumps also mentioned at Terms of Use#9. Hosting#9d. Termination. The usage of data dumps is to generate your content as xml, and your content must be comply with TOU, just in case your Wiki had accidentally breakdown. SA 13 Bro (talk) 02:56, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

How to import[edit | edit source]

I want to import pages from Wikibooks. But at Special:Import, I can only select metawiki and templatewiki to import pages on. --Fungster (contribs - email - CA) 16:56, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

How do I add other languages to my wiki?[edit | edit source]

Hey, I manage the wiki.mxlinuxusers.de in German language up to now. Now there is a request to expand it to English language too(like the wiki.archlinux.org). So I want to add https://wiki.mxlinuxusers.de/wiki/Main_Page to "in other languages" like they do. How this can be done? --Peter Littmann (talk) 16:21, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

@Peter Littmann: First you need to create the interwiki (I can do it but I need to know which prefix they want to use) and enable wgExtraInterlanguageLinkPrefixes in GitHub (I can enable it). Hispano76 (talk) 16:53, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
@Hispano76: I am not sure if I understand you correctly. I understand you wish to get the following data:

Could this work in this form or does I need to create a new wiki and eventually a new domain on which it runs? --Peter Littmann (talk) 02:31, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

@Hispano76: So when the user opens https://wiki.mxlinuxusers.de he should get Hauptseite and under in anderen Sprachen there should be a link English which should link to https://wiki.mxlinuxusers.de/wiki/Main_Page. Will this be practicable or would you suggest a better method?
Hello, i think you want to enable the "Translator" extension for your wiki like we have enabled on meta. Paladox (talk) 14:16, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
As I understand this seems to be meant for translation projects where the authors write and translate together. In our wiki a group of some germans will write and a independent group of some English speaking authors will write their articles where some are in both groups but the content may be grow independent. Some articles may exist in both languages some not. --Peter Littmann (talk) 15:06, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
@Peter Littmann: Then you will have to request a new specialized wiki for the English language apart from the German wiki. Then you could use interwikis as Wikipedia does. Hispano76 (talk) 20:54, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
@Hispano76: So I have ordereed a new domain(mxlinuxusers.org) where I added a subdomain wiki.mxlinuxusers.org and set the CNAME to your server. I requested a new wiki in the form and used Phabricator to request a Let's encript certificate. So from my side seems to be all fullfilled, right? Please check it. --Peter Littmann (talk) 22:39, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

I am reviving this topic about the board of Miraheze and how Miraheze should be incorporated[edit | edit source]

Miraheze technically needs a board and needs to be incorporated. On my page about this topic, Miraheze, th "Service", should be incorporated and Wikipedians will revive this draft on WP once more external sources are found. On that page, we will divide Miraheze regions into Miraheze Europe, America and Asia. Fungster (contribs - email - CA) 08:13, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Miraheze doesnt need a board imo, and about that staff/contractor page, none of us are paid staff (AFAIK) we are all volunteer. I would prefer you to continue only if/after you get approval from staff or community (whichever is applicable). Thanks! Zppix (Meta | CVT Member | talk to me) 13:25, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
Since Miraheze is an organisation we need to divide Miraheze into three governance regions: Miraheze Asia (which includes The Pioneer, Fukahire, SA and me, and also Revi), Miraheze Europe (which includes Paladox, Southparkfan, Rob Kam, and also Reception123), and Miraheze America (which obviously includes John and Labster). Fungster (contribs - email - CA) 13:54, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
Is it really necessary? I would prefer to avoid so much bureaucracy and that the project focuses on the contents of wikis, avoid ambiguity in user permissions and make campaigns for donations among others. Having so much bureaucracy is going to make Miraheze look like Wikia/Fandom... that in the end it won't help the average contributor. Hispano76 (talk) 20:58, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
I think this isn't necessary, for the entire site it is written that Miraheze is maintained by volunteers, the staff and volunteers pages are public, as if to talk about government. Besides having the need to name the region from which a volunteer contributes could violate privacy, i don't think it is necessary to know where you are from or where we are. --Dark Dragoon (talk) 01:19, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
Think about that. If Miraheze did become an organisation we will have to set up MH Asia MH europe and MH north america Fungster (contribs - email - CA) 10:40, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
If the staff and sysadmins exist, and they did so much work to make Miraheze better, why are not paid at least by donations Fungster (contribs - email - CA) 10:42, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
I think that the users who contributed voluntarily here tried hard to show transparency and offer a good service. They just did an annual survey showing a lot of interest in the consumer based on what they built, so starting with personal donations would look bad.
And i don't think we just have to look at the work done by the system administrators, all the volunteers do something to make this place better. In my case i only do translations, it seems very little, but I try to do it because i know friends who think that this is just a place for english speaking users, but i don't need donations to make it more accessible to them. --Dark Dragoon (talk) 13:35, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── There is obviously not a consensus to do this, if you want to open an RfC feel free although i can promise it wont get consensus either. Zppix (Meta | CVT Member | talk to me) 14:11, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Stewards and CVTs should have a yearly meeting. For stewards, it is in Southparkfan’s house, and while CVTs is in Reception123’s house. Is that okay? Fungster (contribs - email - CA) 12:39, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
I too concur that there is no need to organize users by world region. I don't conceal mine, others might, and nationality is generally not an issue except for varying skill at, and desire to use, English. (If we had to sort users, I would prefer doing it by demonstrated maturity, so the recent wave of feuding children should have to eat at a separate table!) Legal and financial organization of Miraheze is a topic to be handled by Stewards unless they should come to us for help or a mandate. Spıke (talk)16:44 24-Jun-2019

Giving access to linking between wikis[edit | edit source]

Hello, I would like my wiki (https://hasanistan.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page) to have the ability to link to other wikis in Miraheze and also this wiki (https://micronations.wiki/wiki/Main_Page). Thanks. OIMGov (talk) 14:01, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Some of them are accessible via interwiki links. Ask a staff for more details. Fungster (contribs - email - CA) 20:20, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

where is "Special:ManageWiki"[edit | edit source]

From miraheze I got the message posted on https://isac.miraheze.org/wiki/:

"Miraheze Staff has noticed that this wiki has no edits or logs made within the last 45 days. If you would like to prevent this wiki from being closed, please start showing signs of activity here. If there are no signs of this wiki being used within the next 15 days, this wiki may be closed per the Dormancy Policy. This wiki will then be eligible for adoption by another user. If not adopted and still inactive 135 days from now, this wiki will become eligible for deletion. Please be sure to familiarize yourself with Miraheze's Dormancy Policy. If there is activity on this wiki you can go to Special:ManageWiki and uncheck "inactive" yourself. If you have any other questions or concerns, please don't hesitate to Stewards' noticeboard."

Following the above hint "go to Special:ManageWiki" I visit "https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages", but there searching for "ManageWiki" gives no result; "Manage a wiki" leads me to somewhere I feel lost.

So, how can I uncheck "inactive" ?

Best, Walther

Go to isac.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:ManageWiki Zppix (Meta | CVT Member | talk to me) 14:13, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
If you want ease of access, it is also accessible from your wiki sidebar. Fungster (contribs - email - CA) 20:18, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

How do I disable unlogged users from contributing?[edit | edit source]

Please help? Mar9122 (talk) 20:08, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

You can use Special:ManageWiki/permissions to restrict the access of unlogged users. -- Void Whispers 20:11, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
@Mar9122: Almost forgot, but make sure that any rights you remove from unlogged users is granted to the user group (or another group). -- Void Whispers 20:26, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
I'll try. Mar9122 (talk) 20:46, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm back and it seems like unlogged users can still use a forum for whatever reason. Is there a way to disable it? Mar9122 (talk) 01:50, 24 June 2019 (UTC)