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Is Miraheze supports interwiki links to other Miraheze-powered wikis?
I was wondering how links work when it comes to interwiki links. I tried a few tests below, so send me some feedback about the tests.

communitycentralbympteam:Bulletins:Community

If it does not work, my suggestion is support interwiki links to other wikis. Maybe I'm stressed out to insert external links to other wikis each time. --DekuPH2006AJHalili (talk) 09:57, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we have general interwikis for other Miraheze wikis, which should be . As for the example above, thus, the interwiki should be written as:  [[mh:communitycentralbympteam:Bulletins:Community ]].-- 10:08, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * That's nice, but what if I host some external site (for instance, a wiki on one on my own servers) and want to point the miraheze: entry on Special:Interwiki somewhere? If I create a link to a page like https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/mh:communitycentralbympteam:Bulletins:Community from outside, it doesn't get me whatever's on mh:communitycentralbympteam:Bulletins:Community locally here, it gets me an error message. Carlb (talk) 22:38, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The links are only done by changing the way the software renders links on a page. In this regard, it is rather limited, as it does not allow you to use the full features of interwiki links. I'm not too certain how to accomplish what you are asking, but wouldn't it be easier to simply link directly to communitycentralbympteam.miraheze.org/wiki/Bulletins:Community? -- Void  Whispers 23:39, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
 * There are over 3000 individual Miraheze wikis. If I'm some random sysadmin of some random outside, external wiki I might be willing to add one miraheze: entry to the interwiki table on my site, much like I have one interwiki for wikipedia:. I'm not going to add 3000 individual Special:Interwiki entries to each of 3000 Miraheze projects, many of which are inactive or largely empty - but if the whole thing could be done on one interwiki prefix, that at least is viable.
 * As an example of how this works, the wikipedia: interwiki prefix on most non-WMF sites points to just one of the hundreds of wikis in the Wikimedia family, perhaps (most commonly)  https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/$1. So what happens if one of my users wants to link to Wikivoyage's article on Montréal. Wikivoyage is part of Wikimedia, but I don't have a direct interwiki pointing to fr.wikivoyage.org. No problem. I have an interwiki to en.wikipedia, so a user can wikilink [[wikipedia:voy:fr:Montréal]] and Wikipedia's server will unpack the resulting mess ( https://en.wikipedia.org/voy:fr:Montréal ) as it recognises voy: as a local interwiki to the Wikimedia sibling, which in turn will recognise fr: as a language interwiki, which will eventually land on "Montréal est la plus grande métropole du Québec..." in Wikimedia's French-language travel guide et tout va bien. I don't need to know whether voy: is a page namespace, a language code, another interwiki or just part of the page title; I send all the outbound-to-WMF links to Wikipedia and let their server handle redirection to individual sibling wikis.
 * If you're relying on the wiki which contains the outbound link to know that "communitycentralbympteam" is a subdomain and "bulletins" is a namespace? The software running a site located outside Miraheze doesn't grasp this distinction and shouldn't need to do so. Modifying the outbound link on the originating wiki only works if that site knows your URL structure (including any custom domains or subdomains for individual projects) and is running non-standard software to try to figure where the link is supposed to go. That's not going to happen, as the site sending traffic to you is running stock versions of the code which make just the one ($1) substitution and do no other parsing. The end result is that users of other wikis can't link mh:projectname:pagename as an interwiki link, so instead must use plain external links - complete with that pesky "nofollow" attribute which tells search engines to ignore those links as potentially being spam. Carlb (talk) 01:12, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see what you mean. I'll take a look at getting this done at some point soon. -- Void  Whispers 20:28, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Problems
Here at Miraheze, we encountered some problems. First of all, there are too much wiki requests waiting for approval, so we either have to add more wiki creators or let registered users access the Special:CreateWiki page to create a wiki. Thank you. Lego Mas ter  Send me a message! 10:41, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree with the part that we need more wiki creators. You can become one by yourself, if you make a request here and it succeeds. However, I don't think we should allow any users to create a wiki. Unlike Wikia/Fandom, we run on donations, and allowing to host malicious or/and invalid wikis without checking can cause severe damage not only to our servers but also to our finances.-- 17:13, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I dont want to make a request because not enough global edits LegoMaster (talk - contribs - logs - uploads - global contribs) 04:36, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * To add to LegoMaster's statement, I initially found the wiki creator tool very intimidating. Very rarely does one run into a non-automated system on the internet these days and when you are normally asking for something big (Wikia uses it for adoptions) and it frequently becomes quite complex. Now the Miraheze system is neither but conveying that to users is difficult. ~ El Komodos Drago (talk to me) 22:49, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Wiki creator does not require that many global edits. Since you have already been monitoring the request queue and have reminded us that there are unreviewed requests, I think it would be fine for you to request wiki creator. Reception123 (talk) ('C' ) 05:51, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I think that people will put an oppose vote because not enough experience LegoMaster (talk - contribs - logs - uploads - global contribs) 11:11, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

help me with my wiki
I have this wiki, and script errors kept showing up. I need someone from Fabricator to fix it, or a Lua module editor, or someone who is familiar about Lua modules. LegoMaster (talk - contribs - logs - uploads - global contribs) 10:51, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Which pages have these script errors? Reception123 (talk) ('C' ) 17:51, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Please add these statistics to Special:Analytics
Please can we have data about screen size and operating system available in Special:Analytics. ~ El Komodos Drago (talk to me) 11:31, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes! I have now added these two options to Analytics. Enjoy! Reception123 (talk) ('C' ) 18:17, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Need to attach my accounts
I currently have a second account on the Nonciclopedia.org wiki that according to my account manager is not attached to the global account. Can someone help me into doing it? Is the problem because that account was made when that wiki was on a different server than Miraheze? -Phantom Dusclops&#39;92 (talk) 21:57, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * That could well be a problem, as Miraheze has global accounts that apply across individual wikis. Users imported from another server are not attached to your other account here.  The best solution is to settle on a single Miraheze identity, and write sufficient documentation to tell Nonciclopedians you are the same person.   23:24 6-Mar-2019
 * Looks like someone didn't document this, but it's already been fixed. -- Void  Whispers 00:28, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Development of Structured Wikiquote
Hi,

It’s been a long time since a multilingual, Wikibase-based version of Wikiquote has been proposed and supported Meta-Wikimedia but it seems the Wikimedia Foundation & Wikimedia Deutchland don’t care (they don’t care much of anything else than WPedia, commons & WData). Could Miraheze host it & would it be any interrested developpers ?

Thank you — CreativeC (talk) 21:07, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, (as long as they respect our policies) any wiki is welcome at Miraheze! Reception123 (talk) ('C' ) 17:59, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Now to find motivated devs -- CreativeC (talk) 19:10, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * But could Miraheze accept regular updates of the Structured Quote extension (even a restricted FTP access to the specific wiki ?) ? -- CreativeC (talk) 19:13, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't understand this, as the real Wikiquote is working well, and some of its pages are multilingual. I am not a contributor but an occasional reader, but how would you motivate developers to begin work on the same thing with a different underlying design (perhaps more "structured" than the original?)   23:22 6-Mar-2019
 * Wikiquote can’t be used as a database and thus reused by other website. Also Wikiquote isn’t a multilingual-wiki; meaning that you have to re create a page of an author dozens of time to translate the same quotes + it slows the work as communities don’t meet others so much. Also WikiquoteS aren’t really known, so maybe merging it into a single community will make it famous —CreativeC (talk) 21:18, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Adding/installing custom fonts
How do you go about installing custom fonts? I only need to use a handwriting style font in a template. I don't want to change the font for the whole site. The font in question is called charm and is available on google fonts. Thanks. 09:28, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I think I've done it, just not sure if it's the correct way. I added the following to the beginning of commons.css  and then set the font-family in the template, which eventually changed the selected text to the desired font. For future references, is there another way of doing this or is the easiest way.  13:21, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure that's the easiest way to do it, as it's what I would have suggested doing. -- Void  Whispers 17:08, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
 * That is more than I knew about invoking them. Regarding not changing the font for the whole site, this will happen automatically; you have to specify style to get it to be used.  Either a new rule in MediaWiki:Common.css (and the rule can state which picture elements it applies to); or in an individual picture element.   21:48 7-Mar-2019

Problem with the queue, again.
(Originally under the original problem discussion thread but decided it was better to post here)

The problem with the queue being filled with wikis has resurfaced, 9 wikis are in the queue to either be declined or accepted. Please take a look at this when you can. JoeBee James (talk) 17:40, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Dormancy policy exemption
Not sure if this is the right place but told me to request on Meta.

Please exempt my wiki - weather.miraheze.org from the global dormancy policy so that no inactivity remedies will be taken against it.

Please see https://weather.miraheze.org/wiki/Weather_Wiki:News/March_2019_Inactivity for more information. Amanda Catherine (talk) 02:25, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Usually they are done on Stewards' noticeboard but I guess this is fine. As for the exemption itself, the issue I see is that there is not enough content on the wiki to justify an exemption for "Wikis made to be read, where a lot of information is already on wiki and doesn't need to be actively edited." While weatherwiki has many pages regarding policy, there are only 4 actual content pages (including the Main Page). I would like someone else's opinion on this, but I would be inclined not to accept the exemption because of this reason. Reception123 (talk) ('C' ) 07:29, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I was under the impression that “founder request” was a valid reason for an exemption. But if it isn’t anymore, fine, just please don’t close/delete/whatever the wiki without emailing me per what I linked to above. Amanda Catherine (talk) 21:06, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Just a passing comment but Miraheze doesn’t recognise “founders” but communities. John (talk) 21:47, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry about the intrusion, but I'm taking advantage of it. Reception123, John. In my Ucroniaswiki wiki, I am working on content articles in the Taller and Lista namespaces rather than in the main space for various reasons: Articles should be complete before moving them to the main space and that for the moment, the article counter does not count them until they are finished.
 * If in the future, my wiki has more than 100 articles with content in the Taller and Lista namespaces and none in the main space. Can't you still ask for an exception? Ucronistaw (talk) 19:27, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Twitter cards
A "Twitter card" is code in a web page that lets Twitter display a graphic inside a tweet that cites the web page. The code consists of several META tags in the HEAD of the web page, whereas stuff we code inside an edit window goes into the BODY of the web page. I could write JavaScript in my website's MediaWiki:Common.js to move it, just before the page is rendered. But it's not clear that the Twitterbot renders the page at all. Has anyone already completed this exercise and can you offer advice or examples? 17:06 10-Mar-2019
 * You're making this harder than it needs to be, just install and extension to do it for you.
 * ~ El Komodos Drago (talk to me) 09:31, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
 * It's a deal! Which one, please?   10:49 15-Mar-2019

Requests for permissions
I have requested rights like 5 days ago. Can anybody vote? LegoMaster (talk - contribs - logs - uploads - global contribs) 10:21, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Need three special pages for my wiki
This wiki needs three special pages. They are Special:CreateBlogPosts, Special:NewestBlogPosts and Special:Chat. The three special pages are similar to this wiki's three special pages. I don't know what it has to do with Phabricator. LegoMaster (talk - contribs - logs - uploads - global contribs) 10:41, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
 * If you go to Special:ManageWikiExtensions and enable SocialProfile, Comments, VoteNY, and MediaWikiChat then enable BlogPage then you will get Special:Chat, Special:CreateBlogPost, and hopefully Special:NewestBlogPosts.
 * ~ El Komodos Drago (talk to me) 09:27, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

How to be an admin?
I just created the miraheze version of Tolololpedia (https://tolololpedia.miraheze.org) because there is someone that said all uncyclopedias including Tolololpedia will be closed. Some uncyclopedia has moved into miraheze like the chinese and russian uncyclopedia. I'm an admin on the wiki, but not on the miraheze. So i can export, but i can't import. How to ba an admin? --Pradiptamf (talk) 13:41, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
 * You must request adminship on the wiki itself. Reception123 (talk) ('C' ) 05:53, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * But he "just created" this wiki! Our FAQ says, "your user name will be designated the wiki's bureaucrat. (This is a wiki administrator with the power to appoint other users as administrators, and to depose them.)"  Did something go wrong in this case?   17:18 16-Mar-2019
 * It seems another user "Mesincuciuddin" created the wiki. See Special:RequestWikiQueue/7488. Flyingcat (talk) 23:12, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * That solves that nicely! So log back in as "Mesincuciuddin" and make "Pradiptamf" an Admin.   00:53 17-Mar-2019
 * Mesincuciuddin is an admin in the wikia version of Tolololpedia just like me but Mesincuciuddin is currently inactive. And how do i log back in as him? I'm a different guy. --Pradiptamf (talk) 01:48, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * "Inactive" like in the morgue?! No one here knows what you were on some other website (nor even who you were!).  If Mes "just" created a wiki here and then went "inactive," and if you are a different guy, I do think you must petition to adopt it.   00:44 22-Mar-2019

Deletion of a wiki to save database
I have been looking around the Help Center to find what to do, but I couldn't find any proper direction. There is this wiki of mine I don't need anymore, but it has many .png's uploaded. To save space in the storage, I can request a deletion of that one. (Metrocka (talk) 09:45, 16 March 2019 (UTC))


 * Hi, you can request it on https://phabricator.miraheze.org Paladox (talk) 17:41, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

can not upload files
If you upload a file with https://programmingwiki.miraheze.org/wiki/メインページ, an error will occur. Thank you for your response.--ウソつき (talk) 07:49, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Apparently, upload storage seems to be lacking. This is inevitable. I would like to increase upload storage if possible--ウソつき (talk) 07:54, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Hey, we are trying to fix it. See T4197 for more details. It looks like, though, we had a temporary fix by changing the limitation.-- 21:41, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

I want to help Miraheze financially
I want to help Miraheze financially because for me it deserves it (I think that it is a good service), however I do not have much money. However, an idea has occurred to me: create a campaign in Patreon. The objective of this campaign is, in addition to obtaining money and donating a percentage to Miraheze, to encourage the administrators of my wiki to do more and better content. This will be convenient to Miraheze, since more quality articles have, the better known my wiki will be, and therefore, the better known Miraheze will be. Do you agree with my proposal? - PaladinDeGigantas (talk) 16:30, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Wikia Uncyclopedia
In response to Wikia's decision to cease hosting the original Uncyclopedia, editors are now voting among four new candidates for a new home. I advocated Miraheze but this got no traction (Uncyclopedia Admins apparently wanting an anxious sales pitch from Miraheze Stewards) until The Pioneer followed up. In the voting discussion, the current site notice stating that capacity is low and "updates will fail" has been cited as a reason not to choose Miraheze; also the deteriorating state of finances. 10:49 15-Mar-2019
 * Well, unless people donate there is nothing we can do, we are a non-profit and that is how this whole site lives, from donations. Where is the discussion page? Reception123 (talk) ('C' ) 05:53, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Found it! Will comment. Reception123 (talk) ('C' ) 05:57, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, thanks for doing so, and for clearing up misperceptions. There are people in that discussion from the other three candidate webhosts actively advocating for themselves.   17:14 16-Mar-2019

I've asked some questions relating to this here on Talk:Miraheze. I should probably have posted them on this noticeboard instead. Flyingcat (talk) 23:56, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Probably Stewards' noticeboard, as it is more for wikifarm management than for the community.  00:53 17-Mar-2019

Decision looms
Repeating, the end of the month is the apparent date at which Wikia closes the original Uncyclopedia. Some there continue to argue that lack of money and lack of storage space would mean that relocation to Miraheze would be a dead end. asks at Talk:Miraheze whether, in the case that it is a dead end, it is a dead end that leaves in place an abandoned copy of Uncyclopedia for new imitators to reside in.

Inadequacy of storage and of funding are real issues to a few voters. I think that, in the more numerous cases of members of competing wikis who are kibitzing in the debate at Wikia, it is an excuse.

Miraheze management has taken the stance of passive welcoming. If it can instead give assurances that Miraheze is a good long-term host, it can acquire another website as notorious and active as All The Tropes. This should be of interest to a wiki farm that wants to be put on the map and perhaps even get a Wikipedia page that isn't immediately taken down. 17:08 23-Mar-2019
 * The vote's over. The people have spoken and Miraheze is a loser. Storage and money won't be enough to make them move to The Mirror Wiki or Miraheze to be with you. You were holding them back and everyone is happier without you. Accept it and move on friend. Alwam101 (talk) 05:56, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The Pioneer declined the majority of the requests. There are a few (Arabic, Russian, Japanese), but the rest will either be hosted elsewhere or become defunct. Dysklyver (talk) 15:18, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Italian (Nonciclopedia) did move here as I was not willing to accommodate some of Wedhro's more oddball demands, including the demand that the wiki be locked down so that no one can edit. There was also an attempt to move Polish (Nonsensopedia) here; that ended with the community not being satisfied with Miraheze due to a number of serious errors (including a mass-dump of Italian Nonciclopedia content into Nonsensopedia, which never should have happened). The main community is now at independent nonsa.pl, leaving me stuck with the awkward question of the fate of the nonsensopedia.org custom domain as that move has left the domain pointing to a fork, not the main project.
 * The Russian ("Olbanian") Uncyclopedia has also moved to independent hosting after encountering unresolved technical problems here.
 * There are four others (ar-beidipedia, eo-neciklopedio, id-tolololpedia and zh-cn.uncyclopedia) which were still planning to move here; so far, less than a quarter of the content which needs to be in these wikis before the Wikia versions go dead ("This wiki is closed", no redirect, no other explanation) is there and the import has slowed to a crawl. It is becoming rapidly apparent that the wikis will not be ready in time. See https://meta.uncyclomedia.org/wiki/Forum:Reorganization_of_the_whole_Uncycs#Deadline_is_near.2C_but_not_even_the_half_of_every_articles_are_imported
 * Miraheze was defeated in a vote on http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Hosting_options_for_Uncyclopedia_(wikia) on the fate of the original English-language project. That outcome could have been avoided had Miraheze done a better job of handling the other, smaller Uncyclopedia projects which had attempted to move earlier - such as Polish - and if they had deployed adequate infrastructure to handle the task (at 5.2 million revisions in database, en.Uncyc is not "All the tropes"... it's larger, and 100Gb virtual RamNodes are not going to fill the bill).
 * Ansaikuropedia (Japan) is not Wikia, was never Wikia, and is not closing down. The Pioneer had made a number of misleading posts a month ago, both on the meta.uncyclomedia.org thread and spammed across every Uncyclopedia-related Wikia on which the Wikia shutdown notice was posted, making false claims that I was shutting down my server or that projects which I am currently hosting were being moved away - effectively portraying this as a two-way choice between uncyclopedia.co and Miraheze. I'm not going anywhere. The Ansaikuropedia hosted on Miraheze is not the main project, it is a fork created by a minority of users who were objecting to one user on ansaikuropedia.org being a bit quick to issue broad IP rangeblocks in response to vandalism.
 * Many of the other projects, such as Uncyclopedia 2.0, are projects which have nothing to do with us but which are reproducing Uncyclopedia content, logos or branding without authorisation from the original creators or proper attribution.
 * The rest that Dysklyver wants to fork are already defunct; I've hosted them on my own server (so language xx: is xx.uncyclopedia.info) and the data is safe, but there appears to be no active community. I see nothing to be gained by duplicating the content again, if no one is actively editing. Why did you request these, again?
 * At this point, the time for discussion of the fate of the original uncyclopedia.org is long past. Miraheze needs to be doing some serious damage control to ensure that the handful of Uncyclopedia wikias which did choose to move here will be ready on time, as any site notices on the old sites saying "we've moved" need to be already running now. The whole Wikia mess goes dead on April Fool's Day and there will be no opportunity then to post anything on their side to say where the communities have gone. We've had a month to prepare and deal with this; I made my hardware upgrades and grabbed backups of everything weeks ago, why are you folks seemingly asleep at the switch? Carlb (talk) 21:48, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I'm going to poke the sysadmins on all of the import tasks. They really shouldn't be taking this long. -- Void  Whispers 22:19, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

DNS Redirect
Hello guys,

I have made a DNS Redirect from my OVH Hosted domain so that http:// or https://zw.fontainebleau-avon.fr redirects to zero.miraheze.org

In my browser, when typing http://zw.fontainebleau-avon.fr/, everything seems to be fine to navigate in the Wiki, but if I click on one link on the left menu below the logo such as "Recent changes" or any other one, a blank page is displayed. It sounds that it does not work for any Special Pages.

Does anyone ever tried to do this ? Is this a normal behaviour ? How can I change that so that anyone reaching my Wiki from zw.fontainebleau-avon.fr has a correct behaviour ?

Thank you for your help, Kevain (talk) Kevain (talk) 22:17, 22 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi, you need to follow https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Custom_domains . For the safety of you and other users you need to add a cname so that we can generate a ssl certificate. Also we set a variable that fixes issues with links. Paladox (talk) 22:53, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Access rights: Wiki with limited editors but members can comment
Is it possible on Miraheze to have a small group of users able to create/write pages / articles, and a much bigger group wich can only post comments/ discuss on the page ? A bit like Atlassian confluence. It would be a collaborative way of formalizing projects where everybody have different ideas, and one is responsible for puting it "on paper". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmaugis (talk • contribs) 18:40, 28 March 2019
 * Yeah, it's possible, but depends a bit on how you do comments. However, the basics of what you'd do is use Special:ManageWikiPermissions to remove the ability to edit from the * and User groups. Then give the ability to edit to a special user group that you give to your editors. Then, you'd somehow allow users to comment (Extension:Comments may allow users to comment without being able to edit). And that's that. Alternatively, you could use Special:ManageWikiNamespaces/0 to require a certain permission to be able to edit the main namespace, and then setup an editor group that has this permission. -- Void  Whispers 21:00, 28 March 2019 (UTC)