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Discussion: Central notice changes
This is for the sake of having an open discussion on the changes proposed in this RfC, though I won't really touch much on the last proposal that was added by another person (of course, you're welcome to talk about that as well nonetheless). Hopefully this comment will at least make it clear what the proposals I brought up are intended to mean. Also, please ask nicely if you would like clarity on anything at all.

The first one to discuss is the following:

Central notices with the purpose of soliciting participation from wiki communities for an event or a discussion should last while that event or discussion is open for people to participate. As in, the central notice would only be removed after the event or discussion has closed.

Let's start by saying that this is not changing what a central notice is made for. It's not saying that every discussion gets a central notice, what it's saying applies in the instance when the people who make central notices decide that a discussion will get a central notice, which is still at their judgement. This talk page comment might show some insight on what such judgement it is, which again they would still retain. What changes is specifically the duration of such particular central notices, in that it would be in relation to the discussion that it would be notifying of.

The discussions being referred to can be gleaned from Special:CentralNotice (click "Show archived campaigns" to see the older ones). It is what is meant to gather people to provide their input and feedback, and this description fits, for example, Requests for Comment or Requests for Stewardship. And if they have yet to be closed by the closer, then the closer presumably decided that it needs more time to gather more comments before a conclusion can be drawn. If so, the methods used to notify of the discussion's existence should get continued use to gather more discussion from people.

Another proposal to discuss is the following:

A campaign type can be set for central notice campaigns, allowing users to opt out of specific campaign types in their preferences, specifically in the "Banners" section. Here is a proposal for what campaign types Miraheze should use:
 * Fundraising
 * Surveys
 * Maintenance
 * Requests for Comment
 * Requests for Stewardship
 * Requests for Community Director

To make it clear how to use preferences to opt-out of campaign types, some text instructing people how to do so should be added to central notices.

In technical terms, campaign types are configured with $wgCentralNoticeCampaignTypes in LocalSettings.php.

This can presumably work with ManageWiki to apply for a whole wiki. To sysadmins, this would presumably be done by using a custom variable to set $wgDefaultUserOptions['centralnotice-display-campaign-type-whatever'] = 0.

Now, in regards to how to decide on the campaign types to be used, I'd say that having the communities' consensus is still relevant, in the case of disputes over what should be grouped together or partitioned. And the RfC does show a dispute over whether Requests for Global Sysop should be included, excluded, or grouped with another type. So it would at least be useful to have some sort of discussion with wiki communities to figure out what's best.

In response to other comments in the RfC: Including Requests for Global Sysop in the list of campaign types does not mean that every single one of that request gets a central notice, it is meant to mean that a RfGS would be allowed to get a central notice, which would still have the judgement of the people who make central notices to actually get one. And people should be able to decide for themselves if they want to opt out of seeing certain central notices, and I figure that if someone desires a tool to stop seeing a certain kind of notification, they likely aren't interested in what's being notified about in the first place. Finally, it was concluded in this RfC that there is consensus for community-oriented posts to be posted on Miraheze's social media accounts, therefore a community-elected role would be appropriate.

Feel free to say your thoughts on any of these topics. K599 (talk) 15:29, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * And will there be a way to disable CNotice for some, and leave only fundraising? YellowFrogger (✉ Talk  ✐ Edits ) 15:33, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @YellowFrogger As said in the explanation of how campaign types work, people should be able to go into their preferences and opt-out of the types that they don't want to see. K599 (talk) 16:27, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * But there has to be an option to hide it across the whole wiki (not just in preferences), but yes, all visitors to a particular wiki would be better. Nobody is obligated to see CNotice either, so it had to have that. Showing only CNotice for fundraising, which is important for Miraheze to maintain the wikis maintenance, the others don't matter (or only matter in Meta). YellowFrogger (✉ Talk  ✐ Edits ) 19:59, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @YellowFrogger I mentioned above that there's presumably a way to make campaign types work with ManageWiki, though I suppose a sysadmin should comment on the method I talked about. K599 (talk) 20:19, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note that the list of campaign types proposed in my initial comment is based on past central notices as seen on Special:CentralNotice. Of course, feel free to discuss any desired changes to the list. K599 (talk) 03:04, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * For some added context, the banner preferences can be seen in Special:Preferences, where it's currently the extension's defaults. These options have been unused probably due to being unrelated to Miraheze. K599 (talk) 03:46, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * This talk page discussion has a review of the proposed list of campaign types. In response:
 * Okay, but I would prefer that "Community Notices" have a page that explains what would fall under this label. Then this page would be linked, if possible, from the related user preference and, if implemented, the related ManageWiki setting proposed in the community wishlist proposal. K599 (talk) 01:29, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I think it'd be useful to consider above suggestions like the instructions thing as well. K599 (talk) 03:25, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Finding a conclusion on campaign types
It would be good to at least have some course of action that outlines whether or not this wikifarm will make use of campaign types, and what those campaign types will be. K599 (talk) 03:51, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * There was a talk page discussion that reviewed a list of campaign types, but it seems that no sort of action has been concretely decided on.
 * Reiterating what's been explained before, campaign types refers to Special:Preferences, a user preference that is used to choose what types of central notices to have displayed for your own account.
 * Currently, as can be seen by checking your preferences, the configured campaign types don't particularly reflect how Miraheze uses central notices (see Special:CentralNotice). Hence the suggestion above for a more appropriate list of campaign types. The description for the preference also makes reference to Wikimedia rather than this wikifarm, which probably confuses people.
 * This community wishlist proposal would also need campaign types to be configured to be useful. I'll also note the suggestion of using ManageWiki on a custom variable to set $wgDefaultUserOptions['centralnotice-display-campaign-type-whatever'] = 0.
 * If campaign types do get properly configured and used, it would be helpful to take the suggestion of including some text in central notices that instructs people how to use the user preference and ManageWiki setting, to make it clear that the banner isn't forced to appear.


 * I still want some sort of concrete conclusion on this, as I do think this would be helpful to people. K599 (talk) 23:03, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd still like a resolution on this. It would be a useful feature for allowing individual control over what notices are shown to people. K599 (talk) 22:35, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Asking for discussion again. This feature, as it's been explained in the above points, would help improve communication, so please have some consideration. K599 (talk) 22:02, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * As stated before, would like a discussion on appropriate options for the "Banners" user preference, as this would be a useful feature, if it were actually implemented. K599 (talk) 22:02, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 * As much as this would be interesting to realize, it seems clear there is neither traffic nor interest in the topic at any wider level. --Raidarr (talk) 13:17, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, the list of campaign types that I suggested above was reviewed in this talk page discussion, but further action has not occurred. What would be needed here is to get to the next step to eventually get these ideas implemented, and that's why I've summarized the details about campaign types in the bullet points above, to discuss implementation of them. K599 (talk) 22:22, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
 * It's a feature that would be useful for people if it were actually implemented, so I would like it to be considered. K599 (talk) 22:24, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I still would be interested in some discussion for making this happen. K599 (talk) 22:22, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Still would like discussion on this, to make this happen sometime. K599 (talk) 22:21, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Noting again the suggestion of having a ManageWiki setting to set $wgDefaultUserOptions['centralnotice-display-campaign-type-whatever'] = 0 for each campaign type. This would be useful by allowing to set a default user preference for individual wikis that makes central notices opt-in for each user, rather than opt-out. K599 (talk) 22:22, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Additional suggestion: Make a page detailing CentralNotice
I would still like a response to the above section on campaign types, and also have another suggestion to make.

If campaign types come into use, a page that details central notices, mainly the campaign types as stated before, would help people understand what these notices are for. Some other info, like what Wikimedia's pages cover, would likely also be a bit helpful. And to allow people to easily find such a page, it should at least be linked from user preferences and any ManageWiki settings related to central notices. K599 (talk) 01:16, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Again, problem with infoboxes
It's not the first time I post about this, be it on the Steward's or here in the community noticeboard. To cite the other times I posted about it: "After importing some .xml files from other wikis, I somehow managed to break all my infoboxes, as shown on this link: ".

Being honest, it was a long time ago that I imported these .xml files, and I don't really remember any specific details. In any case, it was said to me that I would have to make the wiki public for troubleshooting. That wouldn't be an issue. I hope that, this time, I can get some closure on this issue.

Any help is appreciated. -- IvanCastroTheFool (talk) 12:39, 10 May 2022 (UTC)


 * It's been more than a week, already. Does anybody have any ideas about how to solve this? -- IvanCastroTheFool (talk) 18:07, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Still waiting. -- IvanCastroTheFool (talk) 22:19, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
 * And still waiting. Nobody has any ideas about this? -- IvanCastroTheFool (talk) 23:08, 6 June 2022 (UTC)


 * First question: Did you overwrite something important when you imported the xml files? If you did, then you'll need to choose which you want more - whatever is in those the xml files or the infoboxes. If you want the infoboxes more and you did overwrite something, you'll need to re-import the infobox template; see Importing Wikipedia infoboxes tutorial for the easiest way to make an xml file for infoboxes. --Robkelk (talk) 14:38, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

About special:RequestWikiQueue/24793
Excuse me. I don't know should writing this comment here, but I want my question answer. Why special:RequestWikiQueue/24793 wait yesterday to today? I don't know here system. other request accept, but my request late one day. Do you forgot it? Something cause be maybe. Though, I worry it. I'll ask, please answer. I can't speak English, so this comment may have angry you. And, I think only here in can communication, so wrote here. Long comment sorry. 段ボール (talk) 08:09, 28 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Olá @段ボール, A equipe da Miraheze se dedica ao máximo para responder todos os usuários, como a demanda é grande talvez possa demorar algumas horas ou dias para atenderem a sua solicitação, peço que seja mais paciente, eles não esqueceram de você, espero ter respondido sua pergunta, tenha uma boa noite. Genuino123 (talk) 22:09, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Revisiting Extension:PdfBook
...now that we're closing in on the MW 1.38 era, and talk of this utility hasn't been touched upon on Miraheze in ages.

This contributor deployed PdfBook in a test run on Saturday, May 21, replacing the promising but much-flawed Display Title in his site's lineup. On-and-off reports of its ineffectiveness elsewhere have diminished its long-term prospects; while preparing this post, rendering with ?action=pdfbook at the end of a wiki URL has led to an error message when trying to view the output. On Android devices with Google Docs (like mine), this reads:


 * Cannot display PDF (Title.pdf is of invalid format)

...thanks to which I'm dropping it for good right after this goes to press. (Alerting developers Aran Dunkley and Igor Absorto, and XPosting this message on the extension's talk page, later on; also paging for any additional word.)

At Phabricator last December, Universal Omega himself remarked on its fate:

"PdfBook is mostly unmaintained, and not on Wikimedia Gerrit, so I don't see any fix happening there. We should consider removal."

A real shame, as something like it would sure come in handy for my future books. Let's hope it actually gets fixed soon enough.... Routhwick (talk) 11:32, 29 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Is there an alternative to PdfBook that is being maintained? I have it on my private wiki, but I'm not happy with its lack of word-wrap around infoboxes or its lack of support for non-Latin characters. --Robkelk (talk) 14:42, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Problem Template "Scroll box"
Hi, I have a problem with my "Scroll box" template, here : https://fiction.miraheze.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Scroll_box In fact, as you can see on this example here : https://fiction.miraheze.org/wiki/Lord_Voldemort#Citations, the template doesn't encompass anything but the first part and is completely useless. Maybe it's because of the fact that there are templates within a template. Thanks in advance for your help. Darkrai18 (talk) 10:31, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The bug was in Modèle:Citation which I have corrected. You will have to refresh/purge the pages to update. - PercyUK (talk) 17:54, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks you very much, . Darkrai18 (talk) 18:25, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

CSS page has wrong content model
On my wiki that archives deleted Wikipedia pages, subpages in the Template namespace that should have a Sanitized CSS content model instead appear as normal wikitext, as is evident in pages such as this one. I have CSS and TemplateStyles installed. Is there any way to fix this error? Tali64³ (talk) 21:43, 1 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, if you want to change the content model of a page (from wikitext to CSS), you can use Special:ChangeContentModel on your wiki. Let us know if you encounter any other difficulties. Matttest (talk) 23:35, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I didn't know that page existed. Tali64³ (talk) 00:36, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Just an xtra note; it has to be Santised CSS, not just CSS, expecially for template styles, hope this helps :) --  Joseph  TB  CT  CA   07:24, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Can't post.
The original thread which is not a request for steward action is moved from Stewards' noticeboard to here.

When you try to submit, you will get a message that says, "Part of the edit form did not reach the server. Please check and submit again as is.Please check and try again. " No matter how many times I try to submit, it does not update. This situation has continued for five days. Please help.

BookHouse

-- Funa-enpitu（talk/Posting Record） 23:51, 3 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Funa-enpitu, this is quite vague, but nonetheless seems to be a technical issue. Please raise a Phabricator ticket here. It would be best to include a screenshot in this case, obfuscating any personally identifying information, of course. Dmehus (talk) 05:29, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Since this is not an action that requires a steward intervention, it is moved back here. --Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 10:07, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Centering the tabbers?
Hello, I would like to know how to center the tabbers. As you can see here, they appear on the left: https://fiction.miraheze.org/wiki/Lucifer_(Supernatural) I want them to be centered for aesthetic reasons. Thanks in advance. Darkrai18 (talk) 18:53, 6 June 2022 (UTC)


 * try --  Bukkit  [ cetacean needed ] (talk) 23:36, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Can I link my wiki to other wiki not using Miraheze?
Hello. I will create a wiki for my Pokémon community, based on Bulbapedia. However, I want to link this wiki to Bulbapedia and other wiki linked to it. Is it possible to do that? Thank you so much. Lmaocxc (talk) 03:07, 7 June 2022 (UTC)


 * I don't see why not if it's a link or even official recognition of each other. --Raidarr (talk) 08:41, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you mean by means of Interwiki links? Agent Isai  Talk to me! 23:43, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Is there a way to increase the maximum amount of loops
Is there a way to increase the maximum amount of loops? because it seems to go up to 99, but I want it to go up to at least 276. Sirlance3000 (talk) 18:50, 8 June 2022 (UTC)


 * You can request that on the Stewards' noticeboard but I believe system administrators don't recommend anything above 200 or you'll cause server strain. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 23:43, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * oh Sirlance3000 (talk) 00:11, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Is there any way to embed Google fonts on a wiki page?
Is there any way to embed particular Google fonts on a wiki page, either by using an extension or with some page code? (This can wait until the wiki upgrade to MediaWiki 1.38.) Robkelk (talk) 14:46, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Could someone tell me the problem with this file?
https://fiction.miraheze.org/wiki/Fichier:10_juin_%C3%A0_14.10.mp4 Why is there so much space on top, and how do you remove it? Thanks in advance. Darkrai18 (talk) 17:37, 11 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Because it is rendered as a video. If you want an audio, you can try uploading .ogg files. William Surya Permana (talk) 07:12, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

I am still having problems with importing a dump to a wiki
Right now, when I attempt to import a dump from Bad TV Channels Wiki into Worst TV Networks Wiki, it comes up with the message "Import failed: Expected tag, got". FatBurn0000 (sandbox | CentralAuth) 21:43, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Hm, might be because the import is too big. I suggest making a Phabricator task for the import. -- Bukkit  [ cetacean needed ] 21:45, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I do not want to use Phabricator; it requires me to give personal information, which I am not willing to do. FatBurn0000 (sandbox | CentralAuth) 07:37, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
 * It only requires the e-mail (which you most likely linked on your MH account), and a Miraheze account. The real name field is optional. -- Bukkit  [ cetacean needed ] 18:04, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
 * There appears to be a misunderstanding. Phabricator only requires a valid miraheze account and email confirmation. When you have those you need only use the 'login with mediawiki' button and nothing more is required, especially sensitive information. --Raidarr (talk) 12:10, 12 June 2022 (UTC)