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Discussion on community-run news wiki about Miraheze

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
 * Unsuccessful. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 00:26, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Per advice from a Steward, I'm opening this discussion on the possibility of a community-run news wiki about news involving Miraheze. The proposed wiki would include news involving Miraheze as a whole and major Miraheze-hosted wikis, with policies on writing articles in a NPOV and including references if required, so as to not violate the Content Policy. The wiki request for the proposed wiki is here if you'd like more information about it.

Below are sections for voting (support if you like the idea, oppose if you don't like it, and Abstain if you're undecided/neutral). Tali64³ (talk) 13:54, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Content Policy Amendment - Derogatory Language

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
 * Both proposals closed as successful. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 00:25, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Given recent gaps identified in community understanding of content policy 3 (unsubstantiated insult/hate/rumors), I am proposing the following changes to clarify intent and permissibility of certain types of derogatory language that have proliferated on the platform.

Proposals here should be read as only impacting article content, not amending or superceding any of the Conduct Policies (Global, Volunteer, MSCoC), which apply to talk pages and other modes of user-to-user interaction.

Upon consultation with stewards, given single-issue scope of changes and intent as a policy clarification via amendment, this vote is being launched as a CN Feedback Request instead of a RfC post per RfC Policy.

Initiated By: NotAracham (talk) 18:01, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Proposal 1 (Amend Content Policy 3)
Add the following bolded clause to the end of Content Policy 3, changing reading to:

''Content on wikis must be fairly balanced, meaningful or substantiated by independent referencing. Wikis which have a clearly identifiable comedic or satire value are exempt from needing to substantiate claims as these provide a meaningful value in terms of relevant content.'' Exceptions for comedy/satire do not cover derogatory language based on factors such as race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, religious affiliation, age, disability, or other marginalised groups.

Rationale
The comedy/satire exception today is being widely abused as rationale for 'racism/sexism/bigotry is okay if it's a joke' by individuals with a variety of goals/ambitions, and is without fail a step towards larger policy violations under CP3 (unsubstantiated hate/insults), CP5 (toxic communities) and CP10 (Making problems for other wikis).

Factors listed are intentionally duplicative of those listed and approved by the community in Content Policy 7 to avoid inter-clause reliance

While Stewards generally will act on these instances when found, the reputational damage for allowing unchecked behavior of this kind is sufficient to merit closing this perceived loophole in my opinion.

Support

 * 1) as proposer. --NotAracham (talk) 19:09, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 2) I agree. --1108-Kiju /Talk  01:05, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 3) gender, sexual orientation, religious affiliation is clarified, as it could easily abused. Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail | please vote on my adminship ) 22:29, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 4) Definitely reasonable. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 01:23, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * What are your thoughts about my above concerns? Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail) 01:26, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I’m not really sure how it would be abused. Could you provide an example? BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 01:59, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * See the 'Comments' section for a simple example. Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail) 02:01, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 1)  Parody must not be used as a "loophole" that would allow a person to circumvent the policy by claiming everything is "parody". --DeeM28 (talk) 13:44, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 2)  This makes good sense and seems entirely reasonable. |  -- FrozenPlum  (Talk / Email) 04:40, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Comments

 * 1) As this proposal applies only to content policy, this change would not govern or impact re-appropriative use of derogatory terms in person-to-person interactions, Conduct policy would supercede in these cases. --NotAracham (talk) 19:10, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 2) marginalized? I don't why that's necessary. It could also easily be abused. Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail | please vote on my adminship ) 22:44, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The language was selected to explicitly mirror current community-approved language in Content Policy clause 7, as this wording was already approved and doesn't need to go through full RfC. Agreed though that there is room for improvement/clarification.
 * --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 00:27, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * What about "gender, sexual orientation, religious affiliation"? Couldn't that easily be abused? Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail) 01:14, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * It's worth remembering that the assessing and enforcing party in these instances will generally be stewards, who have already demonstrated a high level of fairness, sound judgement and community trust in securing and retaining their role.
 * If local leadership is abusing this wording in the other direction (e.g. a malicious actor trying use this as cover to purge any mention of non white/cisgender/heterosexual individuals), that would not go well for them.
 * --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 01:20, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't doubt that stewards would enforce it fairly, but different users may come to have different interpretations of the same rules if they are unclear. Example: A user with creationist views may think that content against such views would violate these policies. And they very well may be right, if the rules are not clear. Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail) 01:24, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * While I hear your concerns, this is a hypothetical that hasn't played out for the duration of the language above existing in CP7.
 * Updating the already-approved language would be out of scope for this FR as it would shift this from being a single-issue proposal (and would likely need to go through a proper RfC as it goes beyond minor clarification.)
 * I would likely support that clarification if proposed, though. --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 01:31, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I have thought of a way to clarify it, but the explanation is pretty long, so reply if your interested. Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail) 19:27, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Proposal 2 (Amend Content Policy 7)
Add the following bolded clause to the end of Content Policy 7, changing reading to:

''7. Miraheze does not host wikis that promote violence, hatred, or harassment against a person or group of people. This include wikis which promote violence or hatred against people or groups of people based on factors such as race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, religious affiliation, age, disability, or other marginalised groups. Derogatory language based on these factors is not allowed except when relevant to documenting an event, e.g. controversy about the inclusion of derogatory terms in a book. ''

Rationale
While CP3 is intended to cover these sorts of instances, an explicit declaration of intent in CP7 will hopefully cut down on proliferation of bad actors operating under the protections of 'comedy/satire'.

While Stewards generally will act on hateful instances when found, setting a global baseline is healthy for Miraheze in the long-term.

Support

 * 1) as proposer. --NotAracham (talk) 19:09, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 2) It is a reasonable proposal. --1108-Kiju /Talk  01:09, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 3) Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail | please vote on my adminship ) 22:47, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 4) Per above. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 01:24, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 5)  Completely reasonable and appreciated proposal. |  -- FrozenPlum  (Talk / Email) 04:40, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Comments

 * 1) As this proposal applies only to content policy, this change would not govern or impact re-appropriative use of derogatory terms in person-to-person interactions, Conduct policy would supercede in these cases. --NotAracham (talk) 19:10, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 2) NotAracham What do you consider to be included in the definition "documenting an event" and what would not qualify under this provision? And additionally does this provision only include the use of specific terms or would it include a general view being expressed? --DeeM28 (talk) 13:44, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * My general framing intent on this is 'If the term or language is meaningfully relevant to necessary context within an article'. The use of the phrase derogatory language is intentional to cover more than specific terms. Describing someone's bigotry would not be a violation, but bigoted speech would be a violation.
 * E.g. writing an article about antisemitism or an anti-semitic event doesn't give a free pass for use of anti-semitic language throughout the article, while an article about a Roald Dahl book getting edited due to specific use of the N word or similar may require the term (or terms) to be listed for full context. Similarly, it doesn't give a free pass to use bigoted language throughout the article.
 * Determining what's in or out of bounds is a mess to codify systematically, but as stewards are the intended enforcement mechanism for this provision, some leeway is given to their discretion in the matter on what does or does not qualify.
 * --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 19:20, 11 March 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Question about multi-language support
I am thinking about adding multi-language support to  (this is also discussed on a forum about the wiki's topic starting from this post:  ). (Seems it's not possible to post external links here.)

It seems like mw:Extension:Translate may be a good fit and it is available to enable in ManageWiki (after enabling mw:Extension:UniversalLanguageSelector).

However, the initial wiki request and the current wiki configuration specify just English as the wiki language (and there doesn't seem to be a way to specify multiple) and I'm not sure whether there is any policy regarding having multiple languages in one wiki.

Also, I couldn't easily find examples of other Miraheze wikis (excluding Meta, etc.) that support multiple languages via that extension (though there are examples of a different approach—using completely separate wikis). ImpliedMemory (talk) 20:56, 25 January 2023 (UTC)


 * In Miraheze, multiple languages in the same subdomain are currently not supported, i.e.  and   (Japanese version) cannot exist at the same time. However, you can add language code in front of (or behind) the subdomain name, e.g. wikis with these subdomains exist at the same time:   and   (or , i.e. the French version). You can remain your existing wiki's subdomain not to be changed, and follow above steps to build a foreign language version.
 * Thanks for the information that an approach like  isn't possible.
 * (1) Regarding using different subdomains (, , etc.), that is certainly an option, but it would mean that each language version of the wiki would be completely independent, needs to be requested and created separately, etc.
 * (2) Like I said in my original comment, I see that there's another approach though: using mw:Extension:Translate to translate individual pages (I believe the translated pages are accessible as "subpages" of the original page in that case, which seems like it should be supported on Miraheze). My main question is: is this approach allowed or disallowed on Miraheze by any policy, given that the wiki's language is specified as English? I would also be interested in looking at examples of Miraheze-hosted wikis (apart from Meta, etc.) that are using mw:Extension:Translate to translate their content, if there are any.
 * All that said, I'm not exactly certain whether (1) or (2) is better for the wiki. Approach (2) seems to be easier to set up and add new languages, though. ImpliedMemory (talk) 13:05, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * is this approach allowed or disallowed on Miraheze by any policy, given that the wiki's language is specified as English
 * Not at all, you're free to do that.
 * Overall, using the Translate extension is much better than fragmenting yourself across multiple language wikis. I don't really know if any other wiki which uses the Translate extension but I do know that MediaWiki.org uses it which could be useful to analyze. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 13:08, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks! We'll try using the extension then. ImpliedMemory (talk) 16:23, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

How can I disable anonymous edits on my wiki?
Hi! I'm ShawnTehLogoBoi, owner of the Charactapedia reboot which is currently a work in progress. For this reboot, anonymous edits will not be allowed due to fears that anonymous users can vandalize this wiki. Since I'm the bureaucrat of this wiki, how can I disable anonymous edits? ShawnTehLogoBoi (talk) 22:48, 26 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Do not delete the '(everyone)' user group as suggested, this can cause significant issues later on.
 * Instead, there are two routes you can go:
 * Under Manage Additional Settings > Anti Spam, enable Email Confirm To Edit
 * This will require users to log in with email-verified accounts in order to edit the wiki
 * Alternatively, navigate to Manage Permissions > submitting the (everyone) group to modify and remove the Edit permission from this user group
 * If you go this route, make sure that the permission is present on the Users user group to ensure that logged in users (with or without email) can still edit.
 * --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 00:11, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I will take the alternative route. First, I should go to Manage Permissions. What should I do next? ShawnTehLogoBoi (talk) 00:37, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Navigate to Manage this wiki's Permissions
 * Set (everyone) under existing group to edit then click Submit
 * Under Assigned Permissions, uncheck Edit if it is currently present, then save changes
 * Navigate to Manage this wiki's Permissions
 * Set Users under existing group to edit then click Submit
 * Make sure that Edit is enabled under Assigned Permissions
 * If not, go to Unassigned Permissions and check the box for Edit, then save.
 * --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 00:58, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Alrighty! Now anonymous users can't edit here! This is to help prevent vandalism on Charactapedia. I will continue to develop the reboot. Anyway, sayonara! ShawnTehLogoBoi (talk) 01:10, 27 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I really don't know how to explain this well but I found a way how to disable it.
 * First you go do manage the wiki’s permissions. Make sure you click “(everyone)” and submit it. Tutorial by Caramel.jpg
 * Now that you got it, click the delete section and delete the user group. Don't worry, this doesn't mean that users won’t edit the wiki, only anonymous users. Tutorial by Caramel 2.jpg
 * Hope this helps!

-- Financier (talk༆) 23:36, 26 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Please do not suggest deletion of groups, this should be done only as a last resort and can break extensions that rely on certain permission groups existing. --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 00:12, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

How to delete a Miraheze wiki
How do you delete a wiki on Miraheze? I wanna delete my wiki imaginaryhistory.miraheze.org as soon as possible. Thanks Havlunwitmydinner (talk) 19:11, 27 January 2023 (UTC)


 * This can be requested on Stewards%27_noticeboard, please file a request for deletion there.
 * --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 19:51, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

How can I import Google fonts to Charactapedia?
Hello again. I'm ShawnTehLogoBoi. I'm planning to add the Gill Sans font to the Charactapedia reboot. It should be noted that a few other wikis, like Trollpasta Wiki, have imported Google fonts onto their mainspace. An example of a font imported onto that wiki uses this text: (@import url('https://fonts.googleapis.com/css2?family=Acme&family=Balsamiq+Sans&family=Bebas+Neue&display=swap'). How can I import Google fonts to CP? ShawnTehLogoBoi (talk) 00:10, 29 January 2023 (UTC)


 * You should be able to copy their code and do the same. Once have the @import statement, all you have to do is define what CSS classes should use the font (i.e. normal text or only headers, etc.) Agent Isai  Talk to me! 05:06, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Alright. First, for the Gill Sans font on googleapis, where should I find it? ShawnTehLogoBoi (talk) 15:02, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Dang it, it didn't work. Is there an alternate way to import Google fonts to Charactapedia? ShawnTehLogoBoi (talk) 16:13, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Revert to MediaWiki 1.38
I understand this is an extreme proposal (and, frankly, I'm not sure it's even possible), but 1.39 is just that broken I feel warranted to suggest it. Even beyond the atrocious new default style, several pieces of formatting just plain old do not work anymore. These include, dropdown bars on the side (when using older styles) and more. This was not ready for "stable" release and I think Miraheze should go back to and stay on 1.38 until this catastrophe is fixed. Agiletek (talk) 02:55, 29 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Part of our commitment, as laid out in our main page, is that we will always upgrade MediaWiki versions when possible. On top of that, as you stated, it is technically impossible to revert back to 1.38, doing so is literally impossible. If you have a specific bug you've encountered, please do tell us so we may forward this to the upstream developers of the extension (Tabber is not a Wikimedia extension so MediaWiki 1.39 itself isn't directly to blame for any bug). Agent Isai  Talk to me! 03:06, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * For one, the collapsed sidebars on allthetropes (such as Troping Utilities) no longer function, even when using a legacy style. I'm forced to use Timeless because it removes the collapsing and has it always expanded. Agiletek (talk) 05:52, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * That's one issue, Miraheze has bugs a lot that need to be fixed (and wikis sometimes cause those bugs too). Can you think of anything that might have been changed on allthetropes (CSS, JS, gadgets, etc.) that might have broken it? Collei (talk) 05:56, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The upstream developer of CollapsibleVector has been notified. This is a bug due to the way MediaWiki 1.39 deals with skins. I hope it's fixed soon. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 06:14, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Or maybe your best bet is to choose "Switch to old look" in the sidebar if your wiki uses Vector 2022 (or if you're a bureaucrat, choose "vector" in ManageWiki/settings → Styling → Default Skin)? --Routhwick (talk) 04:15, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Interwiki request


Ora &#38; D (talk) 11:48, 29 January 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅ --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 16:46, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Adding stylized custom font for use in a wiki
Hi, I would like to ask how if I'm able to upload custom fonts to use in a wiki. The font that I want to upload is taken from a video game with some customs, which means I have to upload it somewhere. I also am not sure if cross-origin will block my font when uploaded to an external server of some sort. I'd like some help, thanks. EthGaming101 (talk) 20:14, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

SRE Vacancy: Software Engineer (Developer) (MediaWiki)
Miraheze is looking for Software Engineers to join our MediaWiki Team to develop code to improve the user experience of Miraheze users, build tools that allow communities to grow, and tools that support our valuable volunteers in managing a dynamic and active global community. If you think this could be you, please do have a look at the Vacancies page which includes further information. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 07:10, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

DataDump download files
I am trying to test if I can download my wiki at once with DataDump. text seems to work with xml but cannot figure out how to download all files (images) at once. DataDump/File request produces too litle file, whereas I have 1.5 MB in total.

Also, is it possible to download mywiki and open it locally with folder structure; that is; all pages in separate txt file and files linked to it.

Araz (talk) 12:01, 31 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Currently, DataDump cannot dump images, but SRE is working on possibly restoring that functionality. Unfortunately, since MediaWiki is dynamically generated, there's no way to view the page contents of your wiki without importing it into a MediaWiki instance. You can install XAMPP if you want to have a personal wiki on your computer. Make sure that Apache and MySQL are installed and enabled every time you want to run MediaWiki. Tali64³ (talk) 15:44, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

How can I hide the recent changes bar on pages in the Cosmos skin?
Hello once again! I'm ShawnTehLogoBoi, and this time, I want to hide the recent changes bar (which shows 4 recent edits) that is on the left of most of the pages. Note that Polandball Wiki has done the same thing. How can I do so? ShawnTehLogoBoi (talk) 13:42, 31 January 2023 (UTC)


 * The suggestions to push it off edge of screen with a div tag is incorrect. The correct option is found under Manage Additional Settings > Styling > Cosmos Recent Changes Rail Module.
 * Set this to disable and save to remove the recent changes rail.
 * --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 17:04, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That should make the pages on the Charactapedia reboot easier to read. ShawnTehLogoBoi (talk) 17:51, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, but I believe that there is only one way to take that out, and that's with making a custom background. (Using this code for Chromebook/Macbook:  But I don't think you can actually change it. 《Commetian_Empire》 (talk) 15:42, 31 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Don't use that code. You accidentally made it run here on the community noticeboard, and everybody was unable to interact with literally anything. Collei (talk) 17:02, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Is there an easy way to have a navbox template auto generate from a list?
At the Simple Electronics Wiki main page is a section "List of topics" - actually six bulleted lists of links. A navbox template at the foot of the page has the same links.

Where the list has === topic === the navbox template has a group and where there's a link in a bulleted list the navbox template lists the same link, (but only the first one of that line).

How to easily auto-generate the navbox template from the list so that the two stay in sync? --Rob Kam (talk) 18:17, 31 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Automatic generation of the template isn't really a thing, but setting up a navbox template to use dynamic page lists (DPL) is possible.
 * It's off-miraheze, but the OpenSUSE wiki makes use of this functionality:
 * https://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Template:NavboxDPL&action=edit
 * https://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Template:Nvidia_navbox&action=edit
 * --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 19:19, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks ... DPL3 looks like a way to do it, except it requires wiki pages with some content and most of this wiki's pages don't yet exist. Rob Kam (talk) 22:06, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

I don't have permissions on my own wiki
I'm revisiting a wiki I created a while ago (it's not deleted) and despite being logged into the account I used to create the wiki, I'm unable to access any of its pages because I don't have permissions. The page implies I'm neither a Member nor an Administrator. What's happening here? Kineticcrusher (talk) 17:50, 1 February 2023 (UTC)


 * It appears you may have been impacted by the November/December wiki outages if your wiki was created between mid-November and mid-December.
 * Please file a request on the Steward's noticeboards under the permissions section, as they're they're the only group that will be able to resolve this issue.
 * --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 19:16, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * No need to file a report on SN, this has been ✅. Please let me know if you have any questions by leaving a message on my talk page, I'm always happy to assist. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 04:37, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

I don't have permissions on my own wiki (Separating topic by Josiah Purtree)
I've just logged in today. Josiah Purtee (talk) 15:37, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * What's the issue you seem to be encountering? Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 16:17, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Drawn Feet Wiki hasn't been working since January 9. Josiah Purtee (talk) 17:20, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * This wiki was set to private by Stewards due to significant copyright claims on images hosted on that wiki. The administrators of that wiki (and only those individuals) have 60 days to resolve copyright issues before closure, if successful the wiki will no longer be mandated as private.
 * --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 18:02, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * That means we have a whole month until then! In the meantime, the Drawn Fanon Feet Wiki is safe! NoneOfYourBusiness (talk) 05:22, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Interwiki request for xtexvnetwiki
Hello! I would like to add some interwikis prefixes to XTEX-VNET Wiki( / )

Since this is a wiki that hosts official documentation and handles service requests from outside the team, it is difficult for us to have enough active users (other than members, mostly inactive) to elect local interwiki administrators. Please add these interwikis.

Thanks!

XtexChooser (talk) 14:34, 3 February 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅ --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 16:57, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't make it clear, "he" is an interwiki prefix not an interlingual prefix. XtexChooser (talk) 01:25, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * After some testing, 'he' is getting automatically recognized as an interlanguage prefix, hence the issue. Lacking the option to override I've modified it to bgphe, please let me know if there's a different prefix you'd like me to try.
 * --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 05:39, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

How to set a max-width on my wiki?
How do I set a max-width on my wiki and then set a background image behind it? It uses the refreshed skin if that's necessary information. Thanks in advance. Effect-kun (talk) 19:28, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

This request can now be ignored as I've figured it out myself. Effect-kun (talk) 19:32, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

why the purge action not worked
The questions are as follows: I don't know what caused it, because it was working until the Wiki database went down, and the refresh cache action no longer works.

This is a bad situation, which can cause the changed Wiki page to refresh a too many times (including Ctrl+Shift+R refresh), and the page content is still the previous version, which is extremely inconvenient for later maintenance. Sucrose Fans Rosalina129 20:32, 3 February 2023 (UTC)


 * @Rosalina129 Hi there, kindly file a task on Phabricator, so that System administrators can assist you further. --  Joseph  TB  CT  CA   11:58, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I've been having the same problem for the past 2 days. (DarkMatterMan4500) --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 18:46, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Comments regarding draft Wiki governance, voting and local elections RfC
Before publishing this RfC, I invite users who are interested to have a look at this draft and suggesting modifications or adding new/alternate proposals if they think that's necessary. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 14:54, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

request Interwiki
Please add the following InterWiki to "funa.mirahze.org". Funa-enpitu（talk/Posting Record） 12:04, 5 February 2023 (UTC)


 * This is now ✅ --  Joseph  TB  CT  CA   17:06, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * thank you. Funa-enpitu（talk/Posting Record） 03:50, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Help: It wont let me edit my wikis main page!
I was screwing around with the wiki themes now I can't find the edit button or how to change the theme back to the original. My wiki Strubium (talk) 15:16, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I can't find the edit button it seems it is done via mh:geopol:Special:EditPage
 * How to change the theme back to the original Manage this wiki's extensions - PercyUK (talk) 15:49, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Interface localization
Hello, I am Vietnamese a Wikimedia translator on Meta-Wikimedia, MediaWiki, and also interface translator. I'm would like to help in translate some of missing interface message into Vietnamese, for example, the "steward" on Special:GlobalUsers. So how can I help? Thanks in advance! Tryvix1509 (talk) 11:25, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your interest! We currently use TranslateWiki to translate our interface messages. See translatewiki:Translating:Miraheze and this page for more info. Thank you for volunteering! Agent Isai  Talk to me! 02:32, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Using Ordnance Survey maps in Mediawiki
As the title suggests, does anyone (staff included please) know if this is even possible and if so, how? As I am currently working on pinpointing my images to locations, and using categories to group things to a particular grid square. I would like to be able to include the Ordnance Survey ratser 1:25,000 scale maps for this as without it, the National Grid system can be a little daunting to first-time users. I have the Maps extension installed using Leaflet, which is a fairly decent map (google maps for me has never worked with this extension), but these don't show the blue grid lines. If it is not possible to integrate, is there another way? Thanks 12:54, 8 February 2023 (UTC)  12:54, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Public Page on Private Wiki
I have a Private Wiki, but I would like one of the pages (not the Main Page) to be public. I looked in the Editing Settings, and it did not say anything about making it public. Is there a way to make it public? Thanks in advance! 《Commetian_Empire》 (talk) 00:15, 9 February 2023 (UTC)


 * You can make indivdual pages public via  ->   ->  .  Agent Isai  Talk to me! 02:29, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Okay, it works! Thank you! 《Commetian_Empire》 (talk) 13:28, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

cant open Special:SpecialPages
My wiki has an error and this page (https://prosoudou.miraheze.org/m/8if ) cannot be opened. Error: 'Internal error. [15610fc439d2a7814ddd965d] 2023-02-09 08:07:57: Fatal exception of type "Error"" How do you fix it?　Using $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; seems to show the reason, but miraheze does not seem to have this. Thank you. 守矢之實 (talk) 08:14, 9 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Seems to be working fine now Collei (talk) 02:46, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Issues about "Mass edit using regular expressions"
Extension:MassEditRegex is far inferior to Extension:ReplaceText. Some issues: Any workaround or better alternatives? Thank you. Revival (talk) 21:00, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * 1) There is no way to search and edit all pages (e.g. in Main namespace).
 * 2) The option "Page name prefixes (edit pages having names beginning with this text)" is completely broken. For example input "Friend" but it fails to find the page "Friendship".
 * 3) Preview is limited to the first 20 matches. It shows pages even if it matches nothing. Extension:ReplaceText only lists the pages with match(es).
 * 4) Unlike Extension:ReplaceText, you could not fine-tune and select which parts to apply edits. It must be all or none.
 * Oh, that's a good question. I also face some of the above issues when I try to use this extension. However, the ReplaceText has shut down in ManageWiki's extensions list. What happened?
 * ReplaceText is incompatible with wikis (or entire farms in Miraheze's case) with $wgCompressRevisions turned on. See T10185, T10227, and T10240. --Routhwick (talk) 15:08, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * But ... When will this extension be revived? Some popular wikis use it anyway! I am aware that the CompressRevisions has been enabled due to lacking resources (especially db141 bugs) and it will be disabled when Miraheze have enough resources. Also, some volunteers say they are exploring how to make a patch to let ReplaceText work even if the CompressRevisions is set to true. Has the patch been done?

Clear notification for deleted wiki
3 months ago I forgot to mark a notification from Qualitipedia as read. Now, after enabling cross-wiki notifications, I'm stuck with it. How do I mark it as read? The abuse filter isn't letting me upload images so I uploaded a screenshot to https://imgur.com/a/13OF3Ga. Also the captcha doesn't appear when I use reply tool and only appears when I use the source editor, this is also a bug. Aaron Liu (talk) 19:23, 11 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Aaron Liu, you can mark the notification as read by going to Special:Notifications and clicking on the wiki source in the left-hand sidebar. Not uploading your screenshot is indeed wise, as it would clutter the wiki as a file; linking to Imgur was a good choice. Best, EpicPupper (talk) 01:00, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @EpicPupper No I’ve tried that, Qualitipedia doesn’t even show up in the sidebar. Aaron Liu (talk) 12:36, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I have the notification issue on multiple wikis, partially dating to before the db141 crisis. 25 unquenchable pings (mostly qualitipedia, + two wikis I lost access to) and 7 unquenchable notices from Qualitipedia central. This seems like something that would require SRE to reach into the gears and clear, so to speak. --Raidarr (talk) 15:09, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @Raidarr Thanks for the pointer, what's an SRE though? Aaron Liu (talk) 21:32, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 * SRE are the technical people of Miraheze. While they overlap with Stewards, it is SRE that deals with issues such as this. Specifically I'd figure someone from the MediaWiki branch. --Raidarr (talk) 23:40, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Custom domain request "resolved" on phabricator, what's next?
My custom domain request on phabricator is marked as "resolved". What should I do now? How can I use the custom domain?

Bonniex345 (talk) 09:30, 14 February 2023 (UTC)


 * See Custom domains for how to make your domain point to your wiki. Tali64³ (talk) 17:37, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Are we allowed to use Patreon?
Title

Muffins (talk) 16:49, 14 February 2023 (UTC)


 * As far as I can ascertain, you can link to your Patreon in your user page, and on the main page of your own wiki (as founding bureaucrat). Beyond that, Miraheze can't be used as an e-commerce outlet. --Routhwick (talk) 17:10, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Can anyone tell Rangerkid51 that I want to see my account and to let him know that I learned my lesson?
I know what I have done, its just that I see many abandoned and incomplete pages, I don't expect forgiveness, but I will make sure for all of you that I leaned for my mistakes, I won't exaggerate anymore on the crimes section and categories, I promise, but only if you trust me, I just want to help that all, but I promise that I won't made the mistakes that I done a long time ago anymore. It will be an honor to me if you let me have another chance. I am so sorry for all of this, I swear. I am not immature anymore. You have the final word if you forgive me or not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oscargerardo (User talk:Oscargerardo • Special:Contributions/Oscargerardo) 22:02, 14 February 2023
 * Real Life Villains Wiki was made private by a Steward some time ago for violating the unsubstantiated insult provision of the Content Policy (log action). If the wiki is reopened, you could address in your appeal an in-depth explanation of why you were blocked and what you will do differently if unblocked. However, I'd probably prepare for the wiki being deleted just in case. Also, please sign your messages with four tildes ( ~ ). Tali64³ (talk) 22:36, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, thank you very much, please let Rangerkid51 know that I am so sorry for exaggerate to much in the crimes section, if he docent want to speak with me that is fine, but don't call me for my help. Thank you very much.

Links to other wikis
So I have a wiki that has some of the same characters on another wiki, and I would like to know how to link the other wikis' pages, but possibly using brackets; without making the actual articles. I will make a page of links to the other pages. (Sometime) Wiki I would like the links to be on Wiki I would like the links to go to 《Commetian_Empire》 (talk) 15:54, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Add a WikiNode page to your wiki. Rob Kam (talk) 16:44, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * You can also use mh: subdomain:page to do that. You could make it a template to save space. Tali64³ (talk) 17:21, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! (Sorry for the late reply!)《Commetian_Empire》 (talk) 01:09, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

How can I merge a wiki with another wiki?
I have considered merging both Charactapedia Wikis again. How can I do that? ShawnTehLogoBoi (talk) 20:58, 19 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Make a dump of each wiki and use Special:RequestImportDump here to request that a dump of one wiki be imported to the other. If you have a wiki that you'll merge the wikis into, request that both of them be imported into that wiki. Tali64³ (talk) 21:11, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

PDF Embed and CSS styling?
I have the PDF Embed parser hook extension enabled on my wiki, and it works without issue. However, I am wondering is there any way to change some fo the presentation/styling of how the PDF displays on the page via css (or some other method)? I am hoping to do things like changes the default background color, border/margin width, etc. for the display window the PDF is in. Ideally do things like make the background white like the page body, add a rounded border radius to the frame, etc. Thanks in advance. – Mitchell Gore (talk) 01:21, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Floating ToC
Is there a way to enable the floating ToC on my own wiki? Aaron Liu (talk) 19:08, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Formatting and/or CSS styling for Module documentation pages
I have been scrapping a bunch of Modules from Wikipedia, to bold-out a lot of compatible content compatibility for some scrapped content, and I was wondering how I can go about setting up the formatting and CSS styling for Module documentation subpages so they render properly (i.e. like standard documentation pages) when viewed on their corresponding Module page(s)? – Mitchell Gore (talk) 03:24, 18 February 2023 (UTC) Mitchell Gore (talk) 03:24, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Can't upload font, even with tff uploading enabled and "Ignore any warnings" checked
Hi, I'm trying to upload a font to a wiki of mine, but I'm getting an error when doing so. Upon pressing the "Upload file" button, instead of the file being uploaded, an error appears, reading: 'File extension ".ttf" does not match the detected MIME type of the file (font/sfnt).' This occurs even if "Ignore any warnings" is checked. What should I do to get around this? Realicraft (talk) 12:19, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

can't open my page
Hi, I can't have access to a page that was created last year : Mutu (miraheze.org) Can you help for a new access please ? 2A01:CB19:257:B400:89A7:8545:5DE0:755D 14:46, 23 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you're asking. Could you provide a link to the page you want to access? Collei (talk) 19:20, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Interwiki request

 * @Ora & D Hi, this is ✅ --  Joseph  TB  CT  CA   16:02, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Why is my template in this form definition page not working?
Hello and thanks!

I've tested the code in this template already and know that it works when used directly in a form definition page, but when I place it in a template and then call that template into the form definition page of this form it is not displaying correctly when filling out the form. The "for template" and "field" calls are not working.

I believe the error has something to do with transclusion of the pipe characters and I tried using the | trick, but I'm not getting what I'm expecting.

Thanks for your help.

(edited for clarity) ParentRatings (talk) 01:01, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

How it works...
I am tentatively interested in using Miraheze as a private website, without others making edits to articles, but possibly keeping the talk page open for input. Can that be done? 2601:200:4000:5D90:756E:608E:5E67:C4E0 03:33, 27 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes. That is how my private wiki was arranged before I reset it. You can set regular spaces to protected mode and leave talk pages unprotected using Special:ManageWiki/namespaces. It's slightly tedious with this method (going through each namespace to make sure regular is protected and talk is open) but it worked for me well when done. Raidarr (talk) 04:36, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
 * That sounds good. Thank you. ~ 2601:200:4000:5D90:E5F9:D27F:C443:A294 16:00, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

I believe I have lost admin permissions on my own Wiki
I haven't accessed my wiki in awhile but I have had friends working on it, when I accessed to confirm more users and more bureaucrats I found out I can no longer access user rights or user groups. I created this wiki, what has happened? Garfieldhub (talk) 23:08, 26 February 2023 (UTC)


 * If you are talking about After the End Wiki, I see nothing that would disallow you from adding regular user rights to people so you will need to be more specific on what comes up if that is what you mean. Now if you mean to add the Editor group to people, you'd likely need to give yourself the right to assign it as I don't see assignment right for it in the admin or bureaucrat groups. --Raidarr (talk) 20:58, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
 * For reference: https://aftertheend.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:UserRights/Garfieldhub Bbbtest (talk) 21:04, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Real Life Villains Wiki
I feel like a fresh restart of the wiki, would help people cite sources of what they did wrong.

However, I am not sure if they are willing to do that considering it violates Miraheze's Code Of Conduct/TOS. Nidoking (talk) 13:32, 28 February 2023 (UTC)


 * If they're willing or not is secondary to the fact such a scope would likely no longer be accepted because of long term policy concerns even with the promise of 'doing it right next time'. To be clear the issue is neither the Code of Conduct nor the Terms of Service, which rarely have scope/wiki wide effects (not unheard of thought): It is typically the Content Policy which is the concern, including in this case. --Raidarr (talk) 13:38, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Uploading doesn't work
Whenever I try to upload a file on Free Editing Wiki, I get «[0f31fc26e1c573059a96df44] 2023-02-28 19:32:07: Fatal exception of type "Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBReadOnlyError"» Bbbtest (talk) 20:20, 28 February 2023 (UTC)


 * The database is locked --92.52.0.117 20:30, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
 * How does that prevent image uploads when I can still edit? Bbbtest (talk) 20:39, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Slideshow (Wiki Coding)
Hey, I am trying to make a slideshow on the Main Page for quick Admin access. I tried Copy/Pasting the code from another wiki, that I got the idea from, but it doesn't work. Could I have proper coding to make it a slideshow? Thanks! Slideshow page I would like it to be on Slideshow code I tried and got idea from 《Commetian_Empire》 (talk) 00:12, 3 March 2023 (UTC)


 * It looks like you don't have the Javascript Slideshow extension enabled on your wiki. Enabling that should fix it. Tali64³ (talk) 00:15, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I got it to work, fixing that! 《Commetian_Empire》 (talk) 01:50, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

How to to a complete backup
The functionality to generate a complete dump of the wiki seems to be gone. Some months ago on the special dump page I was able to create image files which had some megabytes of data. Now on the current dump page I can only create JSON and xml files, which just have a few kilobytes. (How) can I get a complete backup of my wiki? Kleinholdermann (talk) 18:44, 28 February 2023 (UTC)


 * The XML backup is a backup of all your wiki articles. That's the format MediaWiki has always used for backups. The only option currently unavailable via DataDump is image backups but if you need one, you can file a Phabricator task. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 20:29, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Mediawiki Client Tools' Mediawiki Scraper Python 3 dumpgenerator script. --Rob Kam (talk) 21:59, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your answer. Can you maybe give me a hint on what this is and how it is run? Do I have to install this on my PC or is there a way to integrate it into the miraheze wiki? Kleinholdermann (talk) 06:19, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * It's a Python 3 script to run from the command line on your PC/Mac. Once installed it's just a single (configurable) command run it. It will dump almost any wiki, XML with/without history, images and files and a list of settings and extensions. You'll need to download the script from GitHub and install Python on your PC/Mac to run it. The instructions are at Mediawiki Scraper. Rob Kam (talk) 12:00, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your answer. I'd like to do a monthly backup of the complete wiki (i.e. with all the uploaded files in it) in order to be able to restore it completely in the case of data loss (as ist has happened recently on miraheze). Filing a task each month which will then probably be processed manually by members of the community(?) does not seem to be the correct solution to this for me. Is there any other way to achieve what I described? Kleinholdermann (talk) 06:16, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Requests on Special:DataDump are completely automated. We're working on fixing image backups and hope to have them back soon but text backups are 100% operational. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 06:24, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Twitter tag extension isn't working?
Hello everybody. It's my first message in this community noticeboard. First, thank you for Miraheze, it's the best wiki hosting I know.

I am trying to use Twitter tag extension. I enabled it yesterday, but it doesn't show the timeline, just a link to Twitter. Am i doing something wrong or it's broken?

Thanks. Emijrp (talk) 18:19, 6 March 2023 (UTC)


 * It seems to be working now, try again  20:51, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Rename global Interwiki administrators group to "Global Interwiki administrator"?
Currently, the global Interwiki administrators group is simply known as "Interwiki administrator". This sometimes causes confusion as in name, there's no distinction from local Interwiki administrators and global ones. A user also recently asked me about this and whether the listing on one's CentralAuth of being an "Interwiki administrator" indicated they were one globally or on one wiki so the name itself isn't the best. We make distinction between roles such as a local sysop and a Global Sysop and local rollbackers and Global Rollbackers but seemingly don't when it comes to Interwiki administrators. As such, I propose that the global Interwiki administrators group be renamed to "Global Interwiki administrator" and it's group name be changed to "global-interwiki-admin," to match other groups like Global Rollbackers (global-rollbacker), Global IP block exemption (global-ipblock-exempt) and to provide further clarity about this positons reach. What does everyone think about this? Agent Isai Talk to me! 06:19, 23 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I'd like to see "global" as part of the name.
 * I was wondering about that in Discord support. Until I found this post, I thought that all local Interwiki admins could do something globally.  I actually rationalized it down to that these folks were volunteers who were willing to learn to do something most wiki founders aren't quite ready to learn to do for themselves... Imamy (talk) 06:41, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I would this as well, it's well within reason and makes sense to match. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 13:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Sounds sensible to me. --Raidarr (talk) 14:11, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
 * This change would remove ambiguity, easy . --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 23:20, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Collei (talk) 19:21, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree with Agent Isai. --1108-Kiju /Talk 06:03, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * per above. by Buehl106·Talk·e-mail 06:09, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * --  Joseph  TB  CT  CA   14:47, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

I have briefly returned
Yes, I am back and have matured significantly. I am now in university however (will not say which one) so I will have some time constraints.

I now have an alternate account that is only intended for use on the Polandball Wiki.

Also, I'm not sure if this is a topic to talk about, but I think it might help in some way. I am a Christian who, fortunately, does believe in rational things while staying true to Biblical doctrine (I now have doubts about young-earth creationism). (One of my affiliated church communities) I do not intend to force my beliefs on others; neither am I extremist or believe in irrational and dangerous things, unlike many fanatics who sadly taint my beliefs by taking up our name. Sadly, however, I was swayed by them in a period from 2019 to 2021. It was only recently that I recognized that some "Christians" are pushing unbiblical and irrational doctrines that are downright dangerous, so I think it might be a good idea that these be blacklisted throughout Miraheze to make this a safer community. Upon request, I can give examples of dangerous extremist sites to blacklist.

Thanks and God Bless Joey717 (talk) 22:19, 5 March 2023 (UTC) (Joseph D. Pelobello)


 * That's nice and all, but why is this on the community noticeboard? Collei (talk) 22:32, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
 * You do not intend to force your beliefs on others but you want to have beliefs you don't like blocked from the platform. You will need some thorough examples connected to actual policy for that statement to sound good. The rest is not topical to this board. --Raidarr (talk) 23:16, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I obviously don't want to block Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, neo-Pagans, etc. of course; I was just talking about extremism and disinformation.
 * Joey717 (talk) 00:04, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * "I'm not sure if this is a topic to talk about" here, I'll help you out: it's really not. Good for you on your personal journey, maybe go read some Dumbing of Age to see how Joyce you are. Calling for religious-based censorship unprompted is a bad look. Miraheze has policies for extremist content and hate speech already, we don't need to make this a Crusade. Chantolove (talk) 17:40, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, I think we should end it at that. I don't want to be misinterpreted, I only wanted to ban extremism and hate speech. Thanks for the advice! Joey717 (talk) 19:07, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Extremism and hate speech are already banned, both by UK law and Miraheze policies. Collei (talk) 20:13, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think merely being an extremist is illegal in the UK. It's also a very broad term that could be easily misinterpreted, or used maliciously. I don't know of any Miraheze policies that prohibit "extremism" either. Bbbtest (talk) 04:50, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The UK does not have the same level of free speech as the US. Hate speech (,, etc.) is illegal in the UK. Collei (talk) 05:30, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 1. I will note that this conversation, given the sensitive nature of the topic, could easily probe the waters of GCP violations, and VCP for some involved. It hasn't yet, but just something to keep in mind because of the topic at hand. Reminder to keep everything respectful, even if we don't necessarily agree with another user's point of view.
 * 2. Extremism is banned by the UK in some cases, not all. But hate speech would likely violate Articles III, V, or VII anyway, so likely not a problem Content Policy-wise. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 05:41, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I already know that hate speech is illegal in the UK. Extremism is banned by the UK in some cases, not all. Which cases? (Thanks)
 * P.S. I replied to you on freeeditingwiki if you weren't aware. Not sure if you received my reply, as Miraheze - unlike Wikimedia - does not appear to give cross-wiki pings. :) Bbbtest (talk) 06:55, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Cross-wiki pinging must be enabled by users in their own preferences. --Raidarr (talk) 13:48, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh. Doing that now. Thanks. Bbbtest (talk) 14:25, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I should note that for Collei to receive it cross-wiki he also needs to have it enabled. I think it is good for anyone to have enabled though, and perhaps it should be better advertised or even a default... --Raidarr (talk) 14:32, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I would most definitely endorse it as the default. Can I start a phab task? Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail | please vote on my adminship ) 14:38, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't know the consequences and arguments/counterarguments that might appear but it's probably worth discussing. --Raidarr (talk) 15:08, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * So, can I phab it or not? Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail | please vote on my adminship ) 15:16, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Up to you. I don't see why you can't. --Raidarr (talk) 15:30, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ Feel free to endorse it here. Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail | please vote on my adminship ) 15:53, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, that depends what you mean by extremism. Violent and hateful extremism is banned in the UK. Collei (talk) 18:48, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * By that. do meaning that acting on said extremism is illegal? Or merely holding those beliefs? Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail | please vote on my adminship ) 19:42, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Acting on it Collei (talk) 21:10, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, that would mean that extremism isn't illegal. Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail | please vote on my adminship ) 21:12, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Could you provide some examples of extremism? BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 06:18, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * What the hell did I just walk myself into? DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 23:52, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why it was necessary to 'walk the hell into it' with nothing to add to it, quite frankly. --Raidarr (talk) 13:49, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why it was necessary to 'walk the hell into it' with nothing to add to it, quite frankly. --Raidarr (talk) 13:49, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

interwiki for 2 wikis





 * working on this now
 * --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 18:13, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 18:36, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks! There's an extra space at the end of  URL. Ora &#38; D (talk) 19:03, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, I tried to be extra judicious about removing those this time after the last batch I did for one of your requests. I didn't see it when going into edit so I just did a removal and re-add.  Can you test again and confirm if it's fixed? --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 19:52, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * It's easy to miss. All good now! Ora &#38; D (talk) 20:02, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * For the record, I don't actively add trailing spaces just to trick unsuspicious interwiki admins. Ora &#38; D (talk) 20:44, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh 100%, not implied as such. It's a vestige of copy-paste from tables, but easier to sneak through on right-to-left language pages since the cursor doesn't always behave consistently in trying to find them depending on how the browser's feeling at any given moment. --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 20:49, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Wait, you guys actually enter local wikis, type, and locally edit their interwiki entries? I assumed there was some kind of global interface. Ora &#38; D (talk) 21:17, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Yup! Some stuff can be done through global pages on Meta, local interwikis aren't one of those things.  That can pose some unique challenges at times. :) --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 01:29, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * RTL wikis must look upside down. Is 'no' the default option (forward & transclude)? Ora &#38; D (talk) 09:11, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * That's correct, it flips around the location of a few interactable items, but defaults remain the same. Forward & Transclude are still default no and must be intentionally opted in.
 * --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 15:39, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Very unusual issue on my wiki
When I ping more than 33 users, the page containing the ping is added to the Category "Pages with too many expensive parser function calls" I don't know why is happens, but the ping still seems to work. Example: https://freeediting.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Ping/2/sandbox Bbbtest (talk) 09:55, 8 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I doubt the feature was intended to support such aggressive pinging and it probably overloaded whatever it's using to make the calls. SRE could probably enlighten on this one, but it would probably be a low priority to address or fix. Flow and related features can be a bit delicate. In the meantime I'd avoid distributing so many pings and finding a more efficient way to mass notify; if you need that many people then for example a sitenotice is probably appropriate. --Raidarr (talk) 14:25, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't need to mass message. It just showed up when I was testing my ping template implementation and I was curious to why. Bbbtest (talk) 14:27, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * There's a default upper limit of either 50 or 100 expensive calls when parsing a page, as I recall. I don't recall how many a single ping uses up, but probably more than 1 if you're hitting the limit w/ 33 pings and nothing else going on on the page. --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 15:36, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Take a look here: https://freeediting.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Ping/2/sandbox Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail | please vote on my adminship ) 15:56, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Co-founding a wiki
Is it possible for multiple users to found a wiki? Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail) 00:10, 11 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Being a wiki founder doesn't really mean anything. The 'founder' group doesn't exist on wiki, the highest you can go is bureaucrat. If you want another user to have as many rights as you, just promote them to bureaucrat. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 00:23, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * What I meant was if more than one user can co-create a wiki. Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail) 01:12, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The CreateWiki system only supports a request from a single user account. That user account is free to grant bureaucrat and administrator roles to anyone else following creation, that essentially gives the follow-on users equal standing to make requests on behalf of the wiki.
 * --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 01:22, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * From the social perspective of 'can two users come up with, design and administer a wiki together' absolutely. It's just that one of them needs to put in the request and give the other equal rights upon creation. --Raidarr (talk) 01:42, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, can you close this discussion now? I can't seem to find the template to do so? Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail) 01:47, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * There are some discussion templates to do it but we tend not to close it outright unless absolutely necessary or it is a formal one ie, an FR or an RFC. --Raidarr (talk) 02:08, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Template:Anchor
I'm trying to insert an anchor into the page: , but the anchor is not added, but a link to the template appears. With what it can be connected? Wiki: ovik.miraheze.org Dimok911 (talk) 11:03, 11 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Could you make a demo of the issue in English so I can help? Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail) 19:25, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Bbbtest I switched the wiki interface to English and recorded a demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC793Gb5CSs . Address of the created test page: https://ovik.miraheze.org/wiki/Test Dimok911 (talk) 10:00, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * There is currently no content on the Template:Anchor page, hence why it is forming a redlink. Templates are logic written in wikitext that perform tasks, without code on the template page nothing happens.
 * It looks like you attempted to load the template itself a few times from another source (maybe wikipedia?) and deleted it a few times, if you didn't see a change after doing so you can always use the 'purge' action on the page where you're seeing the error to force the server to re-parse the page.
 * This version of Anchor from mediawiki looks like it might meet your needs, but do be aware it also requires you to import Module:Loops and Module:TableTools.
 * --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 17:01, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * NotArachamThanks for the answer! I found the Anchor template without using the module:https://ru.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%A8%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BD:Anchor&action=edit and it worked!
 * I also wanted to clarify, if I want to add modules, then I need to make a page, for example, Module:Loops, as well as when adding a template, and add code to it already? No additional steps are required when adding a module? Dimok911 (talk) 17:24, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Correct, pages created in the Module: namespace work like templates, e.g. copy the source code from a module on another wiki, create a page on your wiki by the same name like Module:Example, paste in the code, and save.
 * The only big difference is that Modules use Lua code instead of wikitext to function. If it's not properly formatting as code and instead looks like a generic article when saved, you may on rare occasions need to use the Special:ChangeContentModel page to change the content model of the module page from generic text to Scribunto (how wikis parse Lua).
 * --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 17:29, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * To ping a user, you need to . Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail) 07:50, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Site question
Any news on the status of the Drawn Feet wiki site? I miss being a member on it. --Spare-tire (talk) 02:13, 12 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Those working to resolve the issues of the wiki were unable to do so within allotted time, this wiki is now permanently closed.
 * --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 16:55, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Changing username
How do you change it? 12.202.154.138 03:57, 12 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Login to your account and click here. Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail) 06:31, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Request for feedback: Donor global group
Hi everyone!

SRE is seeking your input on a potential new global group. As part of our annual fundraiser, we are seeking to create more ways to entice users to donate. One such way would be to provide visible identification that a user donates. On Discord, this is planned via a new "Donor" role. On-wiki, we are seeking to create a new "Donor" global group which would identify a user as a donor.

The group itself would grant no extra privileges and the only right in the group (a minimum of one right is needed for a global group to exist) would be a very miniscule right that's already included by default to all users (such as editmywatchlist or oathauth-enable). Having this global group would not entitle any user to preferential treatment or priority, it would only be an on-wiki indicator that a user has donated to Miraheze and an incentive to do so. The group would be grantable by Stewards primarily (or system administrators if Stewards are unavailable) and group membership would be at the discretion of the organizer of the fundraiser who will request users be added or removed from the group, in order to ensure upkeep of the group.

Interestingly, the 'donator' global group was actually the first global group to ever be created on Miraheze (yes, it precedes the sysadmin and steward global groups!) and was the 10th log action on Meta and the first global group appointment ever was QuimGuil being promoted to donator (which was also the 11th Meta log action). From what I'm told, the group was removed as no one oversaw its upkeep and maintained it up to date with actual current donors. This new global group, via it's guidelines, would periodically remove older donors who haven't donated in a while (say, over a year) to further encourage users to donate. Please let us know what you think. Thank you! Agent Isai Talk to me! 03:54, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * No. Donations are inherently a way to donate. Recognition on the page is enough and we certainly do not need a group of that kind. Also a group that has no permissions is pointless on its own, groups are not supposed to be badges. Naleksuh (talk) 03:57, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't support the idea of the role existing just to exist, but if it's a means to try and up the donation count, then I would support it. Miraheze is very thinly spread in terms of resources, and any additional $ helps, no matter the amount. That being said, I would like to see some minimum donations in order to get the role (ie. $5/month or something), but otherwise this seems fine to me. Again, though, only as a means to up the donation count. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 04:07, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Let's also turn their name giant purple if they donate! That'll really up the count! Naleksuh 04:10, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * If you want, we can look into making this a possibility. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 04:11, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Please do. Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail) 06:02, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I would view this as a 'membership' badge, which I don't think is inherently a bad thing, even if those with giant purple names disagree. While it might be a bit of extra administrative work to manage a '2023 supporter' list for discord and/or meta or global wiki-users, I suspect it would be worthwhile to pilot as an inexpensive way to drum up additional support in a time when we need it more than ever.


 * At bare minimum, it raises visibility to Miraheze being powered by donations and interest in 'how'd you get that cool discord role?'


 * Agreed that a minimum (e.g. 5 or 10 USD) should be established as a prerequisite if this moves forward.
 * --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 04:36, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Personally, I'm not really sure I see the benefit to having a global group over simply overhauling Finance or creating a new page to track and spotlight donors. The main reason I think this is because there's practically nothing in stock MediaWiki that shows of global group membership like a badge. (We could create a gadget to add in a badge or something, but it would be more stable to not use global group membership for this purpose). Unless the donation group actually is going to be used for more than just a badge of honor, I think we're better off with a "Special thanks" type page. -- Void  Whispers 04:40, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * It shows up on Special:CentralAuth, that's where it's most prominent and the intent was for it to show up there specifically so users browsing CentralAuth see it. Anyhow though, I will take into consideration potentially adding a special thanks section to Fundraiser and asking Owen if it's acceptable to add such a section to Finance. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 04:47, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Is there a userbox for people who have donated? Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail) 07:11, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Help with Infobox:country
Hello! I need help with formatting for my infobox. I assume that I have most extensions, Modules, and Templates needed to make this work but the infobox still isn't formatting like a normal one should. If someone knows what the problem is, please help!

(Page in question: https://landar.miraheze.org/wiki/Kh%C3%BBldran_Empire) Flaming (talk) 20:47, 14 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I will be looking into this. Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail) 23:13, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Could you give me admin access to your wiki to assist you? (Since your wiki only permits sysops to edit.) Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail) 23:15, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Granted. Thank you for the help! --Flaming (talk) 00:03, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I have fixed it. Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail) 03:35, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! --Flaming (talk) 11:45, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Twinkle rollback does not work
When I try to rollback using Twinkle, it just redirects me to the page I am trying to revert + "&twinklerevert=norm" and does not actually revert the edit(s). Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail) 06:43, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Is there a limit for the number of wikis one can own?
Title explains it all. Patitocafe (talk) 01:22, 16 March 2023 (UTC)


 * There is no limit to how many wikis you can own, but your requests may be declined if you make too many in a short period of time. Tali64³ (talk) 01:28, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Patitocafe (talk) 01:35, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Universal Omega's Request for IRC Group Contact

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Hello, this is highly unorthodox and unprecedented request. I am not 100% sure if this is even how to go about it. However, I have decided to make this request (which may or may not be advisory-only to existing group contacts) to be an IRC Group Contact. My reason for this request is that currently there is only a single group contact on IRC. This means that when that one group contact is away there is no one else to handle requests. And ideally in order to balance things out, there should be more than one group contact, if not just to have a fallback to handle things requiring the attention of a group contact. Therefore, I am now making this request, and requesting confirmation from the community for the position as IRC Group Contact. Thank you! Universal Omega (talk) 05:12, 16 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I would like to confirm, that even given recent events, and my resignation from SRE, I am not withdrawing this request. Now more than ever we need GCs, and even though I am no longer SRE, I still am a community member here, and am committed to helping things move forward between relations between all core groups in Miraheze. My first and foremost commitment is to the community, and even given recent events and regrettable things that have happened that has not changed, and I am still keeping this request up. I just thought I should clarify that. Universal Omega (talk) 20:46, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Questions for candidate

 * 1) Below in MacFan's oppose section he said, "A private discussion between Miraheze staff members", do you feel private discussions should be a preliminary aspect of starting community discussions like this? It's interesting that 3 requests have come at once following a discussion that is not public and involving 2 groups labelled as staff when neither are Board appointed? Miraheze has had a long history of having a closed 'old boys' style club where decisions were made in private involving groups that either a) shouldn't be discussing community affecting things privately (stewards) or b) shouldn't be having a major influence on community aspects by definition (SRE). I find it slightly concerning that this line of proposals is coming out of re-igniting such a private and exclusive club. John (talk) 21:55, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * No extensive conversation took place. I had voiced my intent to make this request, which I always wanted to be a community and not internal decision, or at least an "advisory" aspect on the decision of this. I then privately talked it over with Reception123, to make sure they were also okay with me nominating them for it, as I felt we needed at least two fairly active members of IRC as additional GCs. MacFan4000 and I had only briefly discussed in a PM. And in another conversation, it was voiced between a few users that there was a need, which is why I made this request.
 * I made this request before any other requests, or even voiced intents to make such request was even mentioned from other users. I believe that the community should have an opinion on the matter, which is why I made this, rather than requesting directly to you, or requesting it be inherited from any other position.
 * The "private" conversation that took place, should not have been said "staff" as was described above, but an unofficial group, that this was discussed on. Calling it "staff" decision or discussion was wrong, and the whole scope of the conversation was that it would be good to expand on the GCs, for numerous reasons, as I outlined in this request.
 * The last thing I would note, is the "private" conversation mentioned, was not even only SRE, or Stewards, but other users were also. It was never in an NDA channel, or any channel officially sanctioned by Miraheze, but a private discussion between the more trusted and active users. It was not necessarily a "sensitive" discussion, and the conversation was not meant to make a "decision" on the matter.
 * At least for me, the point of this request, while having no precedent for this exact request, was to in fact involve the community in the decision and discussion revolving around it. This for me was meant to take it out of just private areas into a place where the community could voice their opinion on it as well. Universal Omega (talk) 22:26, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Given the purpose of the channel has been further clarified to not include private/sensitive discussions, why does it exist only to include 'active and trusted' users if the discussions can be public? John (talk) 22:43, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 1) What steps would you take to ensure the community remains uninfluenced by such private and closed venues where the community can not suitably or appropriately assess need, necessity or content of such non-sensitive discussions? John (talk) 21:55, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I think I kinda answered this question above as well. I think there might have been a misunderstanding on the scope of the discussion that took place, it was not a long discussion, this post (and the ones that followed) are the majority of any discussion that took place prior to the request. Once the discussion was started it took place here, openly to the community. That is the majority of any discussion to have taken place, other then some passive mentioning that additional GCs might not hurt for various reasons (which I do admit I brought up), and potentially expanding them might be needed. But overall, it was not meant to be a solely private, secret, or hidden conversation at all, which was the point of this request, and my nomination for Reception123 below as well. Universal Omega (talk) 22:37, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * This discussion wouldn't have been the first one to have been had in a secretive venue though - so I would like a more broad answer over what steps you'd take to ensure such venues don't continue to be a source of where discussions can be had in private only privy to those allowed, rather than the whole community who should be engaged in them? John (talk) 22:43, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * That is fair. I do admit that this probably should never have even made its way into that channel. The conversations to usually take place there are related to some moderation, off-topic, and just random conversations. It's purpose is more inline of a group DM then an actual channel, but the channel is used on IRC to relay from Discord. It has had a place on Discord for years, as just a random conversation between a few users, that I do admit these type of conversations should not take place on. But it has only existed on IRC and relayed for about a day, it was never intended to have conversations that impact the community there, but sometimes things can veer off-course into foggy grounds in the matter. Though nothing ever NDA bound is discussed there. It's purpose has always been, on Discord anyway, as a group DM chat for users to ask others questions, have advisory for some things, or just discuss random things. The conversation that took place yesterday was fairly rare in the scope of it and we typically try to avoid such conversations.
 * I think this also answers your above question as well. I do agree with your point that most conversations should take place public, especially like these. But I don't agree that nothing can ever be private, there is a use-case for some private personal conversations (including between non-NDA users) that do take place, which is why that channel exists.. however, it should be noted that conversations such as these should not take place there in the future. Universal Omega (talk) 22:58, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Support

 * 1) No problems. Though, I don't think Libera Chat reads RfCs, John can certainly ask for it if this is successful Naleksuh (talk) 05:16, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 2)  CosmicAlpha can be the fully active group contact, since John is in and out. Trusted, not a problem. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 05:18, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 3)  This is okay. --   Joseph  TB  CT  CA   06:38, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 4)  No issues with this request.  Agent Isai  Talk to me! 12:08, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 5)  This is a minimal-effort role that also requires a trusted user that is also an IRC regular.  CosmicAlpha (along with the other two proposed users) will give us an active presence and allow for normal maintenance/continuity of operations --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 16:54, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 6)  Trusted and active user, no issues with this. |  -- FrozenPlum  (Talk / Email) 04:40, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Abstain

 * 1)  While I have no problems with Universal Omega becoming a GC, with the recent resignations, and them stating their intent to leave Miraheze as a whole, I don't get the sense that they are going to be very active on IRC. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 14:44, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1)  Same as my vote on Reception123's request. Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail) 10:37, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 2) Per this. There have already been two previous issues regarding targetted harassment, and I did note that if it continued I would not be able to contribute to Miraheze. Yet sadly one of the only people I trusted decided not only to join that club and not only do things unbecoming of a GC even just by things I could see (I wrote a 6000+ word document detailing the issues) yet this morning I see this shit? What the hell?! I suppose this request is just to be able to continue that on a larger power mode. Naleksuh (talk) 16:58, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I accept this, but just to say one thing, I am very sorry for things that have happened. I have never myself been involved in anything you consider harassment, and have always been one to at least try and defend you. It hasn't been a common theme amongst volunteers, as your actions haven't always been great, but I've always understood, trusted, and supported you for the most part. I deeply apologise for everything that has happened. I hope you can at least try and accept my sincere apology for that personally. The content that had been posted were taken put of context and were meant in a jokingly way, but it still doesn't necessarily make it okay for you and understand you may feel in the matter. I am not trying to ask you to switch your vote as I'll admit you're probably right in your oppose based off some things that have happened, but I do still want to offer my own apology for how things played out. Universal Omega (talk) 17:11, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Who made those comments? Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail) 02:54, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Who made what comments? Naleksuh (talk) 02:59, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The ones on IRC shown by John. Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail) 03:02, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I can't confirm myself (John can), but some people were saying Zppix sent them. This is curious because Zppix is not an IRC operator. So either this wasn't an IRC operator discussion and was just the Club in general, or Zppix was not actually the one who wrote them. Naleksuh (talk) 03:08, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * They were taken from Discord, not IRC. Had nothing to do with IRC at the time. Universal Omega (talk) 03:11, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * What is discord? Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail) 03:16, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 1) agree with macfan, doesn't make sense for someone who left Miraheze to be our GC. OrangeStar (talk) 13:59, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 2) this and future permissions requests based on recent events. I would advise shedding hats instead. --Raidarr (talk) 13:50, 29 March 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.