User talk:Robertinventor

Hello and welcome! I think it should be fine for you to do this editing on Miraheze — though to create a set of pages on the subject, you should create your own Miraheze wiki, not do it on Meta, which is properly only for discussing and promoting Miraheze at large.

However, why can't you do this editing on Wikipedia (in your own userspace)? A topic ban is a ban on editing the encyclopedia articles on the topic, not a ban on discussing the topic anywhere on the site! 14:44 11-Aug-2018


 * Thanks, glad it's okay. My topic ban is broadly construed. This means that it applies to my user space and talk pages as well as the main space. Not just talking about articles, talking about the topic of Buddhism at all, anywhere in Wikipedia. I can't even talk about this page outside of a topic ban appeal on Wikipedia. You can get indef blocked for violating the broadly construed". And if there is any question about whether it was or wasn't a violation, the presumption is that it was. Thanks for your undestanding! Robertinventor (talk) 15:13, 11 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I am astonished — even your own talk page, where the easy fix to a conversation that was "disruptive" (shades of Facebook!) is for those "disrupted" to simply withdraw from your talk page. However, I am not an authority, there or here.  Happy editing!   15:22 11-Aug-2018


 * Yes even on your own talk page. During my original topic ban discussion, I was told that it is okay for me to tell others I'm Buddhist and even talk about my faith to others so long as I don't mention Wikipedia's coverage of the topic - but it is so easy to go over the line that I wouldn't risk it myself.


 * You definitely can't mention the Wikipedia articles or the events that lead up to the t-ban - or the other editors or anything even remotely related to the dispute anywhere after you are t-banned, even on your own talk page. As an example, a friend got an indef block for mentioning the subject of their own topic ban in a discussion on their own talk page with the administrator who closed the case against them. They said to the admin that something they were accused of in the t-ban was false - and for mentioning the topic area in this way to their closing admin, was given an indef block. Also - you can't talk to other editors about your t-ban to ask for help with understanding why you were t-banned. And it is also a violation to talk about your constructive plans for how to behave on Wikipedia if your t-ban is lifted, just hypothetically, or asking others there to help you work out how to avoid being banned again in future. This same friend did that too and was severely criticized for doing it. If you keep doing things like this you risk escalating sanctions just for talk page activity - up to an indef block. Some resort to sock puppets once they are blocked out of their pages in this way in what seems an unfair fashion for things they don't see as offences - when that happens they are liable to be site banned.


 * I have come across several topic banned editors who don't know where to turn to as there is no support for them after they are topic baanned on Wikipedia, they are just banned until they figure out for themselves what went wrong and what to do, and some never do. Especially one case of an editor who contacted me, self identified as having a very low IQ, 70 or below (i.e mentally impaired but still able to contribute) - he was gifted and talented at making things and had a lot to contribute but just hadn't a clue about what was going on when he got t-banned. He ended up with a global site ban - site banned from all the wikipedia sites including meta, just because he didn't know what was going on and nobody tried to explain in a way he could understand. By the time he contacted me it was irreversible, wiht no possibility of appeal and he was very distressed by it, as you can imaagaine. I was able to help him understand what happened, but there wasn't any way to revesre what happened. Still - that did help. I think Alzheimers and autism and various other conditions might make it hard for editors there to understand what went wrong and what is required of them. I think there must surely be large numbers of such editors out there. And the site attracts people like that, who can do things on their computer taht are worthwhile, also engaging with others and socializing on the web in this way too - talking about something they do that is valuable - maybe if autistic they find it hard even to communicate with others in real life.


 * This is unrelated to my t-ban but several of us wanted to create a support space for editors t-banned from Wikipedia on meta, just to let them talk to each other and any admins who want to help them, about what happened and how to move forward. But the admins there didn't understand even that there is a problem. We had a request for comments and it ended up as no consensus (which meant we couldn't create the page) with the admins all voting against the idea. We can talk about our t-bans on meta so long as we are not banned in the same topic there - and I tried putting this page up there instead, but an editor on meta blanked my page and said it is not permitted on meta - presumably because it is not a page intended for use in meta itself, discussion here.


 * Yes I'm astonished too. I have wondered if it might be okay to put this page up in Wikipedia in my user space during the t-ban appeal itself. Maybe it is permitted but with that background, I don't want to risk it in case it prejudices my appeal - even if it is permitted some of those voting might not know that :). Robertinventor (talk) 16:02, 11 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I read your user page. Wikipedians are prickly about being a reference source rather than a collection of essays.  I am plenty authoritative about the fact that the New York Yankees are crap, but you see where that leads.
 * More problematic is when you encounter editors who want to plant the Wikipedia orthodoxy in articles. I took pride in writing text that presented alternative theories of climate change, but human causation is Settled Science [sic] at Wikipedia.  Also, every article has to explain its effects on the LGBT Community, and there is a detailed article on "Homophobia" in the absence of any evidence that resistance to the LGBT political agenda is primarily motivated by personal insecurity.  It is no longer worth the drama of an edit war.  Consequently, I have not been banned.  Came close, once, when I fought the use of Wikipedia to direct traffic to a fork of a wiki and its advocates tried to make me the issue.
 * You might monitor across Miraheze (for example, look at what other wikis are being requested in the Farmer Log, or in the Gazetteer of wikis) because other users who want a refuge from Wikipedia might join you as contributors to a single wiki rather than have a variety of single-editor refuges.  13:32 8-Sep-2018

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