Requests for Stewardship/Archive 2

Mohamed Saed's Request for Stewardship

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 * Consensus is that you are not ready. Please see contributing for ways to get started on helping out before you apply for Stewardship. -- Void  Whispers 20:33, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

User: Mohamed Saed ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; Saed blocks log &bull; Saed rights log &bull; Saed global rights log )

Reasoning for request
I want to give the people I love rights.

Additional comments given by user (if any)
I’m already asking for it.

Oppose

 * 1)  No experience, unknown in the community. Reception123  (talk) ('C' ) 08:20, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 2)  Opposing a user because s/he " has a name I don’t like" and stating "I hate everyone except my bot who is available only on All The Tropes" (where the bot is actually blocked due to violating the policy of ATT) prove that s/he is not ready, at least, yet. Stewards should deal with every user in a fair manner.-- 10:30, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 3)  Nope, stewardship is not for new user to appoint it. You seen for me also like a sign of hat collecting as well! SA 13 Bro (talk) 10:49, 26 May 2019 (UTC)


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PapercutsExist's Request for Stewardship
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 * Unsuccessful. If you are still interested in helping out, check out Contributing. Many of the tasks you are interested in doing have little need for the Steward toolset.

User: PapercutsExist ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Reasoning for request
Hello, my name is I come PapercutsExist to you today, the community Miraheze, I can revert pages if a user vandalize it and block them for infinite. My request for stewardship sprouts from my will to help the community further. I always want to assist the community further, by doing whatever I can. Be that processing feature requests (which are now largely redundant), processing wiki creation requests, interwiki edit requests, Code of Conduct arbitration and helping the community wherever needed (the noticeboards etc.). I view stewards as the "community managers" of Miraheze. They are part of the twin pillars that ensure Miraheze's survival - the technical managers and the community manager's. contributions, previous experience with renames or interwiki rights. 「ペーパーカット？！」 PapercutsExist 02:22, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Additional comments given by user (if any)
I think it will be good to be a steward.

Oppose

 * 1)  First of all, you don't have many global edits and only 8 edits on Meta, which is not even close to enough for a Steward, and does not demonstrate activity or ability. Second, many of the things you mention you would like to do in your reasoning are not at all what Stewards do: feature requests are handled by sysadmins, wiki creation is handled by wiki creators, Code of Conduct is handled by the commission. Reception123  (talk) (<font color="#DC143C">'C' ) 05:37, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * 2) Not enough global edits and evidence showing they have the skill to be a steward. The comments in the request show that you don't even know what you actually do as a steward.  ~ RhinosF1 - (chat) · CA · contribs · Rights - ) 06:47, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * 3)  I don't think you are now have the eligibility to be a steward, you have to demonstrate your long-term contributions activity work for showing that you exactly has the experimenting and confidently to community, before you can appointment your stewardship in the future. S</b>A</b> 1</b>3</b> B</b>r</b>o</b> (talk) 17:00, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * 4)  I don't believe this user is stewardship material for two reasons, lack of global/local edits and does not fully understand what being a Steward entails. Unless this changes pretty drastically I will remain opposed.  Hypercane  <font color="#8152C6">(  talk <font color="#8152C6">) 17:14, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * 5)  The user has almost no global/local edits and the lack of understanding is most times a tell-tale sign of hat collection. Absolutely not. --<span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 20px lightskyblue, -4px -4px 20px HotPink;font-weight:bold;">Examknow ● talk ● contribs 19:37, 29 August 2019 (UTC)


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Prueba's Request for Stewardship
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User: Prueba ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Reasoning for request
I need to request for Stewardship to block global IPs, add wikis, etc.

Additional comments given by user (if any)
I need to request for Stewardship to block global IPs, add wikis, etc.

Oppose

 * 1) Considering that this is the first edit globally. I think we can snowball this request.-- 15:04, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * 2) Stewards are trusted, well-established members of the community. Given the fact you only have 2 global edits as of writing, one of which was writing this request for Stewardship, I do not believe you have the expertise to take on such a role. I would personally recommend you build yourself up in the community, join/establish your own wiki and learn the Mediawiki interface best you can, become a wiki creator and then possibly a CVT member. It is like building a house, stewardship is the roof, you can't craft the roof before you have the foundations and the external walls constructed. &#32;  Miraheze Logo.svg CnocBride | Talk | Contribs  15:47, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * 3) w:WP:NOTNOW. S</b>A</b> 1</b>3</b> B</b>r</b>o</b> (talk) 16:12, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * 4) This user only has 2 global edits and requesting stewardship immediately -- 17:05, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * 5) I agree with the others, you can't gain steward rights this soon, especially with only 2 global edits.  Hypercane  <font color="#8152C6">(  talk <font color="#8152C6">) 23:32, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * 6) with the recommendation to speedily close as declined. The user has basically no contributions to any MH wiki. Zppix (Meta &#124; CVT Member &#124; talk to me) 23:45, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * 7) Agree with Zppix, this should be closed immediately. --DeeM28 (talk) 16:17, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * 8) WP:SNOW - With only sixteen global edits and this being his first on meta I absolutely cannot put my support for this request. Come back when you have more contributions and are better known in the community. Sorry. --<span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 20px lightskyblue, -4px -4px 20px HotPink;font-weight:bold;">EK ● contribs 00:11, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * 9) I don't think you're eligible to become a Steward. No one can become a Steward with just 5 edits like you. Stewards are well-established, trustworthy, and reliable members. I absolutely can't support this request. Sorry. Wolf (CentralAuth) (Contribs) (talk) 07:51, 10 November 2019 (UTC)


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Revocation of NDKilla as Steward
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 * NDKilla's explanation was satisfactory enough and I hope that his activity will improve. --DeeM28 (talk) 17:03, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

User: NDKilla ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Reasoning for request
First of all I would like to make it clear that I think NDKilla has done a great job as a sysadmin, volunteer and Steward in the past and that I have nothing against him. However, I think if you take a look at his recent contributions you can see that he has only had 10 edits on Meta in 2019 and a few log actions here and there. While he does not qualify for the very lenient inactivity rule I feel like it is safe to say that currently he is busy with other things and does not have enough time to take on the role of Steward and sysadmin. My opinion is that Stewards are really important to this farm because they guarantee that the community has a say and I also think that Stewards should be active people who are ready to respond to requests. I understand if a user is busy at some times but I feel like there is not much point in having a Steward who only uses their permissions a few times per year. So therefore even though I admire the work that NDKilla has done I think that he is no longer fit to serve the community as a Steward due to his inactivity. --DeeM28 (talk) 16:16, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Support

 * 1)  as proposer see rationale. --DeeM28 (talk) 16:16, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) not going to happen sorry bud... Zppix (Meta &#124; CVT Member &#124; talk to me) 16:39, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * That's quite inconsiderate, what is the reasoning behind your oppose? Should there not be a reason in your vote?
 * 1) still active and improving behind the scenes.  ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  16:49, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Respectfully where would you see the activity? If behind the scenes you mean as a sysadmin no one is putting that into question but publicly if you look at his activity as a Steward it can really not be considered 'active'. --DeeM28 (talk) 17:02, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * IRC, Discord, Phab. If they’re here, there’s no reason to remove tools and based on their respond time to recent incidents and this they are. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  17:04, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Comments

 * Just wanted to comment that I'm well aware I'm extremely inactive and barely using the rights. The note on my user page has been there for over a year. However, like you said I still have some edits and such and I don't think not using my rights very much is a reason to remove them. I'm still trustworthy, last I checked, and I do handle some things, like a recent rename (that was requested over discord!) I'm not very active on-wiki, but I'm still in the staff channel on IRC and Discord and I'm still managing the discord (not exactly steward-esque, but I recently created a new role and assigned it permissions for a different type of staff). -- Cheers, NDKilla ( Talk • Contribs ) 17:01, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your input. --DeeM28 (talk) 17:03, 3 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Additional comment less related to me exclusively. It's not like there's an upper bound on the number of Stewards or anything. An inactive Steward holding the permissions isn't preventing anyone else from also being a Steward. We've proven that. By removing an(y) inactive steward(s) you're only guaranteeing that someone who might handle something can't, you're not making it more likely for things to get handled. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( Talk • Contribs ) 17:06, 3 November 2019 (UTC)


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Sourav Halder's Request for Stewardship
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 * ❌. The user has barely made their first edits a few days ago. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 12:19, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

User: Sourav Halder ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; Halder blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Reasoning for request
Hi I'm Sourav Halder. I'm(bn, en-3, bpy-1, as-1) Language wiki Stewardship I want to take the position.global group permissions for add Special:GlobalUsers/steward: please.

Oppose

 * 1) W:WP:HATSHOP I see a sign of hat collecting and this user only has 3 edits on Meta.  10:28, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * 2) Per W:WP:SNOW and W:WP:NOTNOW. --DeeM28 (talk) 11:00, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * 3) No eligible experience to be a Stewardship right now, hat collecting are not reality. S</b>A</b><b style="color:gold"> 1</b><b style="color:green">3</b><b style="color:blue"> B</b><b style="color:indigo">r</b><b style="color:violet">o</b> (talk) 11:29, 26 February 2020 (UTC)


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Shaunak Chakraborty's Request for Stewardship
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User: Shaunak_Chakraborty ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Reasoning for request
Hello, I am an Interwiki admin and the founder of one of the top Miraheze wiki, Gyaanipedia. I am a regularly active user. Gyaanipedia is same as Uncyclopedia or Wikipedia, it is expanding everyday. There are many problems mostly the sock user problem as Gyaanipedia is extending everyday it is not possible for me to request or report each an every problem or query and then wait for a long. I want to resolve all these problems including sock users by myself. It will be time saving and beneficial for me as well as the other stewards also, I have an editing experience of almost 2 years in Miraheze.

Additional comments given by user (if any)
Yes I am accepting that I don't have much edits on Meta but you all can trust on me since two years continuously I had shown my honesty with dedication. In future I am planning to start more an more wikis so it will be very difficult for me to request and report each and every query and then wait, It will be also very time saving for me to create new wikis of Gyaanipedia. I promise that if I got this right then I will complete my duties on Meta on time.

Questions for candidate

 * 1) Without actively engaging on pages such as Community noticeboard or Stewards' noticeboard how can you prove to the community that you are a good candidate for this right as well as prove that you understand our global policies? Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 06:14, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Comments by other users

 * Wow, a user getting stewardship is very rare... 12:54, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Support

 * My first vote on the Meta. I do see that you have created a popular wiki, and you are an admin on many others. I also see that you have had no blocks in the past. I can see you possibly being a steward, however, you're lack of doing certain admin tasks such as blocking and protecting, as well as promoting and demoting users as a interwiki admin for the meta areas, I am concerned. However, I will assume good faith, and weakly support you. --TFFfan (talk) 12:02, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) Not sure if I can support when you don't have much prior engagement here on Meta. Also while being an Interwiki Administrator is great, I would like to see you being a CVT member or similar first. That will help people see how you'd do with more global user rights and helping out the broader global community. Sorry, but for right now I oppose.  Hypercane  <font color="#8152C6">(  talk <font color="#8152C6">) 20:35, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , for now, per Hypercane. I don't necessarily think that a lot of edits is necessary for certain global or even local administrator permissions, particularly because the activity and edit levels at Miraheze Meta are considerably lower than, say, English Wikipedia or Wikimedia Meta. While Stewards do help to control sockpuppetry that crosses multiple Miraheze wikis, they also handle a lot of other tasks. I would rather see a stronger nomination statement that further elucidates how the user intends to help out with activities within the purview of the stewards. I'd also like to see some evidence of the user's technical competence for these administrative tasks. CVT sounds like a great option, which could see the user progress as a Global Sysop, perhaps fairly quickly once the user has a demonstrable track record, but to request Stewardship without having been a Global Sysop seems like the wrong approach. Dmehus (talk) 20:21, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) not in a snowball's chance in hell Zppix (Meta &#124; CVT Member &#124; talk to me) 01:27, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 2) Per Dmehus. WickyHoney (talk) 01:45, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 3) for now. I have looked more at your edits, and a message on your talk page was concerning. In addition, I see the message by @ wrote, and I agree with that statement. I don't think you have the experience yet to become a steward. I will say, keep going, and come back maybe in a year. --TFFfan (talk) 22:12, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 4)  I also agree with the other people above that it would be better if you had more activity on Meta and also if you had global sysop before Steward. DeeM28 (talk) 07:33, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 5)  I see no truly sufficient reasoning why you would need such a right. I also do not see enough meta contributions to support you with this.  23:54, 22 July 2020 (UTC) ］ |


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ThesenatorO5-2's Request for Stewardship
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 * per diff.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 09:28, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

User: ThesenatorO5-2 ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Reasoning for request
I founded a wiki with the site name "scpwikimc", and it is going pretty well these days. I also have a few months of experience in daily management tasks and wikitext, and I also have a month of experience in the development of KiWiz, the MW offline reader for macOS and iOS. I am requesting this right to help me participate in X-wiki business and also the development of the software, and also to block or lock abusive users' accounts. I recently also made 400 edits in Wikimedia wikis.

Comments by other users

 * here too?, , , , , , . Should be declined immediatelly. No chance. --MrJaroslavik (talk) 06:06, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) Another clear WP:SNOW, only edits on one individual wiki and unknown by anyone in the community. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 06:54, 29 July 2020 (UTC)


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Revocation of 開拓者 (The Pioneer) as Steward
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 * (Closed per resignation) I've made up my mind to leave from any global posts on Miraheze as well as local posts on meta and testwiki, due to real life business and some other reasons.
 * My specialty here is mostly that I was the only Japanese Stew that could handle severe vandalism that many Japanese wikis had suffered in the past. Now the vandals are gone, and they are mostly peaceful AFAIK. More Japanese users have joined us since 2018, back when I joined, and many of them are capable of what they should do without my help. As for non-Japanese wikis, existing stews can handle them well enough, if needed.
 * Therefore, my conclusion is that Miraheze can do well without me, and since I've been too busy to be active here, I find resignation the best choice for myself and the community. -- 10:23, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

User: 開拓者 (The Pioneer) ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Reasoning for request
I want to say firstly that this is nothing against The Pioneer and from what I have seen he has done a good job as a steward and has helped out the Miraheze community. This worries me because in my opinion the most dangerous thing is when someone with high permission leaves or is inactive without telling anybody else. I agree that in my last revocation request I was mistaken because NDKilla was still around and helped out on Discord (and I could not know this because I am not a member of Discord) but in this situation The Pioneer has not been seen anywhere and is missing from the project which for me is dangerous security-wise. I understand if the Pioneer has real life issues and he/she can not be around but I think everyone would appreciate if she/he would have said something on his/her userpage before he/she left so unexpectedly. My proposal is that unless The Pioneer comes back and replies (which will make me withdraw this) he is removed for unannounced inactivity. This does not reflect his performance but is only because of the dangerous security problems it may cause. And before someone will mention the two factor authentification system, every system has its weaknesses and it is better to be careful! DeeM28 (talk) 09:46, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Additional comments given by user (if any)
I am also of the opinion that in cases like this one there should be a rule that says that if anyone with high permissions is completely inactive for 3 months and gives no warning to the community before why they are leaving they should be removed for inactivity. I will think about doing an RfC for this. DeeM28 (talk) 09:46, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Support

 * 1)  as initiator. --DeeM28 (talk) 09:47, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)  Since even in June only one thing was done (a rename) I decided to also support this. The pioneer seems to have left Miraheze and shouldn't remain steward if that's the case.  12:40, 28 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * 3)  I don't think a steward should disappear without saying anything. --GondorChicken (talk) 17:58, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 4) I agree, no wonder why Pioneer is gone for no reason. -- H ookuai ( Talk to Nuclear Jaws ) 20:45, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 5)  While I usually wouldn't want to support a steward being demoted because of circumstances we might not know, this is a bit excessive for an inactive period. Unless they come back before the vote closes, I will support this.  Hypercane  <font color="#8152C6">(  talk <font color="#8152C6">) 22:19, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 6) A steward needs to be very active Tom191 (talk) 18:59, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Abstain

 * 1)  I will now abstain as I see genuine truth in NDKilla's reasoning, but I will just be left out of this vote.  Hypercane  <font color="#8152C6">(  talk <font color="#8152C6">) 00:27, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)  As many of the opposes have pointed out, NDKilla's oppose reasoning was very convincing against revocation. Personally, I agree that it would have been preferable if The Pioneer would've left some sort of notice regarding his complete inactivity instead of leaving with no notice, and that would have been totally fine and acceptable since everyone is a volunteer here and everyone is free to take breaks or concentrate on their personal life. However, I will abstain in this case as I still hope The Pioneer will respond to my messages and come back (at least to explain their situation) and also because it is a bit strange for this request to be made since there is also a policy in place for inactivity, and to change that there would have to be an RfC or some sort of community discussion. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 06:39, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1)  If anybody thought Stewards not using their accounts for 2 months was a security issue we were unwilling to deal with, the current policy would not allow for 6 months of inactivity. Additionally, 2 months does not seem like a long time to me at all, especially when you consider the fact that most of the world is dealing with a massive pandemic at the moment. Maybe they got sick, were dealing with other things, are more focused on employment, etc at the moment. Also, I had a notice on my user page for almost two years, to the summary of basically telling people that they shouldn't come to me for help, even though I remained a Steward the entire time. At the time of my revocation request it was pointed out that I was active behind the scenes, which at the time was partly true. I've been increasingly more active on irc/discord, and occasionally performing CheckUser etc, but this all started in the last year or so of that. For a very long period of time I was barely maintaining enough activity to not be considered Inactive according to the letter of the policy, yet I think it went unnoticed for years. In light of the current situations, and The Pioneer's performance previously, I think it would be unfair to revoke Stewardship before the official inactivity deadline, and see no other reason to do so. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( Talk • Contribs ) 22:52, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 2) * As an additional note, I believe this policy strongly goes against the spirit and wording of the current policy, specifically, This is and should be seen as a pretty relaxed requirement. Like everyone else here, Stewards are volunteers. Stewards should feel comfortable performing any of their responsibilities when it is possible for them to do so. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( Talk • Contribs ) 22:59, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Normally I'd agree with you, but given the fact that even back in June, only one action was performed (a rename), and before that they were were active before May 24, and the fact that they didn't announce their inactivity, I am reluctantly supporting this. 23:14, 28 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * I'd respectfully like to point out that my entire argument still stands including what you said. May 24th is barely over 3 months ago (a few days), no where near the required 6 months according to the policy, and additionally, I would consider the world to still have been royally screwed over by May of this year. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( Talk • Contribs ) 23:54, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You make a very good point, it was been a rough year for some people, which actually may've been a factor in their inactivity. I'll actually consider reversing my vote. 00:18, 29 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * 1)  Although Pioneer only did one edit in June, which is a rename, and I didn't see The Pioneer for over 2 months, it's under 6 months, and this year may be difficult to be active (including me).   Circley  Does Extracter    ( Circley Talk  |  Global   |  Email the Cloud ) 00:23, 29 August 2020 (UTC)  Amended. Moved from weak support to weak oppose  Circley  Does Extracter    ( Circley Talk
 * 2)  I honestly struggled with whether to participate in this request at all, but earlier today, decided that, per 's comments that twenty participants need to express a view, it's better to at least express a neutral view through abstention. On the one hand, DeeM28's most persuasive argument is that  has not made any attempt at communicating with his steward colleagues on the reason(s) for his extended absence and expected date of return. I hear 's counter-argument that we're in the midst of a global pandemic, yes, and maybe he is sick, but, at the same time, he's also still active on his Twitter account (as recently as this past week). It shouldn't be too difficult to shoot off a quick e-mail to one of the stewards or reply to one of the advanced permissions users that has privately attempted to contact him via e-mail. On the other hand, though, 's argument that this is, procedurally, too soon and out of process is compelling. It's difficult for me to outright, or strongly, oppose this, and I'd have an easier time doing so if The Pioneer had been in active communication with his steward and Global Sysop colleagues in terms of the reason(s) for his extended absence and expected date of return. As far as the security concerns go, yes, that is also a valid argument of, but this could be mitigated, somewhat, by either a steward or a system administrator confirming that his account has two-factor authentication enabled, or still enabled. The security concerns could also be eliminated, completely, by either (a) stewards globally locking The Pioneer's account pending his getting in touch with them privately or (b) a community noticeboard discussion from a Mirahezian requesting his account be globally locked pending his privately contacting a steward. But, as of right now, this isn't the forum for that, as bureaucratic as that may sound. So, this is where I sit, weak-ishly opposing. Dmehus (talk) 02:09, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 3)  Per NDKilla and my reply to NDKilla's vote above.  02:17, 29 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * 4) I think we should give him more time you should understand he has a life outside of miraheze Aswell --Cocopuff2018  19:26, 2 September 2020 (UTC)


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Nomination of User:Reception123 for Stewardship
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User: Reception123 ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Reasoning for request
Now this user is a very experienced user in Meta. He has been editing since August 2015, which is a long time ago. He has the global sysop position, which is good, but it's not actually enough. He is a very active user, he's a lot more active than The Pioneer. I think this user is a good replacement steward, and if The Pioneer comes back, do not demote Reception123 as steward either. If we have him as a steward, then we can run this site even better. He deserved his incredible wikis and users wiki page

Additional comments given by user (if any)
I don't know if you can nominate others for stewardship, but there has been 2 revocation requests, so I thought I can nominate Reception123 Tom191 (talk) 19:12, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * You can nominate others for steward, but best practice is to discuss with the potential candidate first. As well, if the candidate declines the accept the nomination, the nomination is thus null and void. Dmehus (talk) 19:46, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

I also noticed he got crat Tom191 (talk) 19:35, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the nomination. At this time however, I choose to decline the nomination for Steward. My main reasons are that 1) I would like to focus on sysadmin work (and anyway I can help globally with Global sysop) and 2) I'd rather leave the opportunity to other experienced users to become steward rather than us having another person who is both sysadmin and steward. At this time, I would only consider accepting the position if there really was an issue with all current Stewards not being active. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 05:36, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Oppose

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Zppix's Request for Stewardship
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 * Has not passed the 20 unique users threshold. John (talk) 20:53, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

User: Zppix ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Reasoning for request
Well, I've been with Miraheze since 2017 now, been apart of CVT basically since 2018, been a system administrator since 2019. I bring all that up because it goes to show how much I am willing to go through to help Miraheze succeed, and to show that I already have very advanced rights globally, and have had no incident whilst having them. With being a steward, I look forward to being able to handle more requests from users, help with investigating possible issues within the wiki farm, and help other stewards get a handle on the workload. On top of my Miraheze work, I do hold some advanced permissions on English Wikipedia. (see my English Wikipedia userpage.) I am willing to answer and comment on anything you may have. Thank you for considering my request. Zppix (Meta &#124; CVT Member &#124; talk to me) 17:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Additional comments given by user (if any)

 * Just want to remind everyone that to please only use one account to vote. :) Zppix (Meta &#124; CVT Member &#124; talk to me) 16:35, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Support
I've witnessed enough faith from the candidate for me to support. To witness the candidate being more neighborly would be ideal, but I'll support nonetheless. --GondorChicken (talk) 19:38, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * 1)  Got a good feeling with you. Waldo (talk) 23:31, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)  because this farm could use another steward and he has a most appealing background. DanDanDanDanDanDanDanDan (talk) 05:40, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * 3)  "It is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful." - 1 Corinthians 4:2
 * 1)  per above votes. Frigg (talk) 20:59, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)  Knows how to keep the place clean. 1kid (talk) 02:01, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1)  while I don't oppose this lightly, or without thought, I do feel you may be capable with stewardship, however I feel you are a bit to impulsive for stewardship at this time. Most of this opinion comes from your recent RfC. When you originally created the RfC it came without draft phase, and somewhat poorly written. I feel this was to sudden and does make me doubt your abilities for Stewardship. However I would be willing to support given more time.
 * To expand on my above vote, I also feel that as you are already a system administrator and CVT member that global Sysop should be enough for now. I do think you may have more than you can handle as steward + Sysadmin (MediaWiki admin and puppet user). I feel you are a great sysadmin, and good global Sysop and I don't want your stewardship to interfere with your activity as system administrator in any way. While I do believe it is true that we need more stewards. I do feel it may not be the right position for you at this time. 22:32, 30 September 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * While I respect your right to oppose, I do have one comment to make,, I feel like that would be something that I would decide if either interferes. However, maybe I just misunderstand you. Zppix (Meta &#124; CVT Member &#124; talk to me) 17:03, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Of course that's your decision.. I just meant in the long run you are a great sysadmin, and I just think that you would be spread to thin if you were a steward as well. While that may not be a legitimate reason to oppose on its own, I do still keep my oppose per my other reason and the reasons listed below. Like I said, I would consider supporting at a later time, possibly. Thanks! 17:07, 3 October 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * 1)  I think that Zppix has done a good job as a system administrator for Miraheze and also as Global sysop but after looking at his most recent contributions I do not get a feeling that he is ready for Steward yet. One of my reasons is that looking at his recent contributions it seems to me that he has not been assuming good faith enough and have discouraged new users from participating on Meta. This is not necessarily his issue only, as I have seen on other occasions too that new users were being discouraged to participate simply because they did not understand the rules immediately. One other reason is the misinterpretation of the Wiki creators policy when he requested to revoke Firebarrier101 which had to be closed by another steward because it did not respect the ways that were set out in the policy. Lastly I also agree with what Universal Omega has said above. I do not like discouraging users but in this case I think that Zppix needs to be more nice to users as the Code of Conduct asks, mostly when it comes to being welcoming. Even though my vote for Steward was negative I would like to thank Zppix for being sysadmin and GS and would be willing to support a candidature later if what I said is addressed and Zppix will have more experience. DeeM28 (talk) 10:59, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)  I do agree with Omega and DeeM28 he does not assume good faith and I don't think he needs these extra tools at this time maybe in the future but thanks for all you do Zppix --Cocopuff2018  15:10, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * 3)  Per Universal Omega and DeeM28.-'''Μπέλα2006🌎 (🔥 T he B lazing D uke 🔥) ( B lazing T alk ) ( B lazing E dits ) 15:36, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * 4)  I have to agree with the others above me, especially Universal Omega and DeeM28. The way he acts a bit too boldly along with not assuming good faith prevents me from supporting this, though I do believe he does well as a Global Sysop and sysadmin. Best of luck to you.  Hypercane  <font color="#8152C6">(  talk <font color="#8152C6">) 21:02, 1 October 2020 (UTC)


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Nomination of Dmehus as Steward
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 * Closing as successful. This is the fastest I've ever seen a candidate not only get the required 20 comments but additionally to currently have 100% support, this seems like there's clear consensus even from people I would not consider usually vocal on meta and globally. Several people gave excellent reasons regarding why they believe Dmehus would be a good candidate for this role and there seems to be agreement among all commentators. Congratulations to Dmehus. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( Talk • Contribs ) 01:34, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

User: Dmehus ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Reasoning for nomination
In my opinion, Dmehus is an outstanding Miraheze contributor. He is one of the most active users at Miraheze. He has gone above and beyond with [ wiki requests], reviewing approximately 90% of all wiki requests through mid October 2020, and has created more than 630 wikis (as of 7 November 2020). He is a community-elected member of the Code of Conduct Commission, an administrator on Meta, a global interwiki administrator, and the only Consul on TestWiki besides Miraheze system administrators or existing stewards. He has made nearly 5,000 editing contributions on Meta alone and over 7,000 editing contributions globally. He is always eager to help, is very active on Discord and IRC, is extremely active in answering all questions to the best of his ability on all noticeboards. I believe he would make an ideal steward, primarily because of his activity, eagerness to help, and willingness to seek advice from others when it is either necessary or he is uncertain of something. Based on conversations I have personally had with Dmehus, it's abundantly clear that he understands all global policies, and is capable of upholding, such policies, and will investigate without making brash or rushed decisions. He understands the myriad functions a steward performs, and should he accept this nomination, I have faith he will successfully make the Miraheze community significantly better with him as Steward. Thank you for considering Dmehus as Steward.


 * Nominated by:
 * 05:42, 1 December 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * As a reminder, please give the nominated candidate time to accept the nomination and add their candidate's acceptance statement. Thank you.


 * Candidate's indication of acceptance:
 * Dmehus (talk) 05:45, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Universal Omega, both for the kind, thoughtful, and eloquent words in your nomination statement and for nominating me for steward, which I am pleased to accept. The primary reason for my requesting stewardship, by my accepting this nomination, is essentially the same reason that I joined the global Miraheze community in that I am passionate about its raison d'être, which is to provide ad free wiki hosting in a community volunteer-run, entirely open source, and free environment, and so, central to that reason is that as Miraheze continues to grow over the long term, it becomes of paramount importance to ensure our resources scale commensurately with the growth of both our hosted wikis and total users. Resources, in this context, certainly means funding and server resources, which the board will manage and plan, as applicable, together with the advice of system administrators, but its resources also means growing our people resources in order provide service to our customers that is both exceptional and excellent, as our customers are central to Miraheze's very existence. Customers run and collaborate in building the wikis which they request from us, but they are also our sources of financial capital, which pays our server hosting expenses, and human capital, for editing or translating content pages on our central community-run wikis, answering technical support questions on the noticeboards, writing or adapting code, and the like. As we continue to grow and because we run entirely by community volunteers, all of whom have other real life obligations, we need to ensure we continue to scale up our global community volunteers and managers, in order to fulfill customer requests that cannot be actioned by local wiki bureaucrats for myriad reasons which include technical, security, and legal. At the same time as there is a need to scale up our people resources, Miraheze has seen its steward complement actually decrease by 40% over the previous twelve months thereby making the need for an additional steward that much greater. Of the remaining three stewards, two of them are also Site Reliability Engineers, one of whom is both the cofounder of Miraheze and the primary developer of the CreateWiki, ManageWiki, and other extensions central to Miraheze, so they have incredible competing demands and pressures on and for their time. While I am indeed only one person, I feel that both my level of Miraheze global community activity and volunteerism combined with the fact I am not also a system administrator should not only fill the gap created by the steward resignations in the past year, but also actually significantly increase our capacity for handling customer requests more quickly and efficiently, which, in turn, would maintain and help to increase total customer/user satisfaction levels.
 * Candidate's acceptance statement:

While the steward user group does add extra technical bits, the reality is that, as one of English Wikipedia's co-founders somewhat famously remarked on requesting advanced permissions, it's really not a big deal, and the principle reasons behind this are two-fold. For one thing, stewards are both grounded and guided by a combination of our community-adopted global policies and non-codified steward conventions and customs that have normalized over time. Secondarily, they already have an established history that clearly demonstrates that they are both responsible and trustworthy, In this way, a steward is not that different, really, from the trusted public servant in the department of motor vehicles or even a bank teller that helps to facilitate customer requests in line with government or company policies and practices. As Universal Omega has also articulated in his nomination statement, I believe that I have so clearly demonstrated that in myriad ways, some of which include, but which are by no means limited to, my clerking work on Meta's noticeboards, responding to requests whether I am able to complete them or refer to other colleagues and volunteers as necessary, answering customer/user questions on community noticeboard and Discord, handling wiki requests, handling local interwiki table requests on community noticeboard, Discord, and my own user talk page, and responding to and handling requests and counter vandalism work on Miraheze Commons and Miraheze Template Wiki. Perhaps equally importantly, too, since stewards are often called upon to mediate disputes between users or between two wikis, has been my dispute resolution work, whether officially as part of the Code of Conduct Commission or, even more importantly, as just a community member, engaging with local wiki community members when users have come to me with assistance resolving local blocks on wikis to which they'd never previously contributed, as just one type example. So with that, I look forward to being able to help handle customer/user requests more efficiently and engage with local wiki members to help them get the most of both their wikis and their Miraheze experience, and thank you all in advance for your consideration of my request for stewardship, and am always happy to answer any questions, whether as part of this request or following this request, at my user talk page, which remains one of the more active pages on Meta Wiki.

Prerequisite

 * Non-disclosure agreement signed and on file with Miraheze. ✅ (verify)

Support

 * 1)  As nominator.  05:42, 1 December 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * 2)  for the same reasons. &mdash;Lakelimbo (talk) 05:49, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 3) In my short time here he's been super helpful and friendly! Verne (talk) 05:54, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 4)  Very active, very helpful, I don't see why I should not support this request! There tools will be benefic for him and the community! HeartsDo (Talk || Global || Wiki Creator) 05:55, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 5)  I have had the opportunity to have numerous discussions with Dmehus regarding various wiki related topics, and I have also seen his vast contributions to Miraheze. For the past few months, Dmehus has been very active on Miraheze's several platforms: on-wiki (especially Meta), on Discord and on IRC. He has been very kind and helpful to all users and has responded to a large number of requests and questions on Meta's several noticeboards. In addition, he has also participated in various community discussions and has also mediated a few incidents between users, not to mention that he's a member of the Code of Conduct Commission. All these different factors (including my various discussions with him) demonstrate to me that he understands Miraheze's global policies well and also has a great dynamic with users, which would in my view make for a good Steward. Since two thirds of our current Stewards are also sysadmins, I also think it will be nice to be able to have a non-sysadmin Steward, and Dmehus would be especially helpful since, as I mentioned before he's been very active ever since he joined Miraheze. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 06:07, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 6)  I think you'll be a credit to the Steward team.  ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  08:02, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 7) He is extremely active on Meta and its sister wikis and very well-mannered. There is no way I am not supporting this. R4356th (talk) 10:53, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 8) Zppix (Meta &#124; Sysadmin &#124; talk to me) 15:16, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 9)  Always willing to help everyone, even trying when not sure to guide you to the right direction!  SkarletWitch (talk) 15:48, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 10)  Yes I agree with everyone. Dmehus has done an excellent job on both here and on Discord. He is always helpful when it comes to advice and especially since he's been helping not only me, but other users along the way. In other words, I'd be honored if he becomes a steward. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) 16:07, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 11)  I agree with the above points, Dmehus has been extremely helpful in a lot of areas. It would be a major benefit to have him as a Steward.  Hypercane  <font color="#8152C6">(  talk <font color="#8152C6">) 03:20, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 12)  He is pretty reliable.--Waki285 (talk) 05:08, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 13)  Waldo (talk) 05:29, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 14)  I cannot think of a better candidate for stewardship. They're a Meta Administrator, a Consul on TestWiki, and a Wiki Creator. They also have all of the qualities needed to be a good steward, and are active on Requests for Adoption. Justarandomliberal (talk) 10:22, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 15)  I have said already months ago that I believed that Miraheze needed more active Stewards because the current ones were not enough for all the wikis. After that, unfortunately another Steward, The Pioneer resigned and we have been left with even less Stewards, and even the ones that we have are not very active because I am sure they have other things to do to keep Miraheze functional. The task of Steward is surely not an easy one and I it is reserved to a small group of very experienced and trusted people. Even though five months is not a lot to have been on Miraheze and that fact would usually make me very hesitant to cast a supporting vote to a candidate for such an important post, I think that Dmehus' activity (7000+ global edits) is enough to overcome that issue. While there are of course some areas of improvement, looking at Dmehus' contributions, I think that he would make a adept Steward because he is a very courteous person who tries his best to help users. Of course, a Steward also has to know when and how to be more firm in some situations, but it is always important to begin by assuming good faith and trying to help users, which Dmehus does very well in my opinion, and his actions could be used as an example for some other users. Finally, I hope that Dmehus will continue to stay this active and help out the community which he has done very well so far from my observations. DeeM28 (talk) 11:25, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 16)  He is a good faith user and i think He is worthy of Steward, he is very helpful  --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 15:17, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 17)  Very helpful on the Miraheze server and website, I definitely have support for this Paramount1106 (talk) 15:56, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 18)  He has Integrity, he is passionate and I think he will do right by the community. He will go above and beyond. He's also very active. Paladox (talk) 15:58, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 19)  What I would say, was already said by my colleagues. In short, he is always willing to help in any way he can. Good luck! Hispano76 (talk) 16:56, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 20) I was no doubt surprised when I found out that Dmehus had only joined a little under six months ago. From the edits he makes, you would definitely get the idea that he has been here for several years. While granting steward to such a new user may be risky, I believe that my impression shows that Dmehus has overpowering standard and ability to act as steward well. Naleksuh (talk) 19:13, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 21) GrahamSH (talk) 16:08, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Oppose

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Revocation of Dmehus' Steward rights
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 * Withdrawn This was never meant to create more issues or drama, I was doing what I thought personally would be best for the community... I'm not sure how we move on from this, I'm not even sure if I have a chance to move on from this... Doug is a good person, and I've never doubted that, I just hope for the best for all. Zppix (Meta &#124; talk to me) 03:06, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Since Doug has became steward his behaviour on and off wiki has been consisting of "I don't hear that", changing/adding/etc things on off wiki venues (I.E. IRC/Discord) without discussion or proper reasoning [1 ]. He constantly brings up CoC in conversation, which can be interpreted as threatening. He also expresses behaviour that can be interpreted as him believing he is always right, and when challenged, he just "can't understand why [the user] can't DROPTHESTICK." I believe the steward has just given him too much power and its sadly turn his behaviour for the worse. Looking elsewhere, he did have a previous block on the English Wikipedia for behaviour similar to this. Since he became steward, it is of my belief drama has much more increased within the community. Zppix (Meta &#124; talk to me) 03:08, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Support
He appears to be disrespecting a user's opinion all the while not understanding the user's view. 192.145.116.133 22:01, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) as nom. Zppix (Meta &#124; talk to me) 03:08, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 2) Yes, this is the reason for my inactivity.  Total demotivation anything to do.  I will provide some diffs etc.  later today. Also there is always only one true, his. Also, if a steward does what he wants (for example Report extension), he should not be a steward. There are few stewards, we need them, but I believe there will be someone else who will run.  Being active cannot be the main argument for keeping of rights.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 03:42, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 3) I agree with everything Zppix has here written. BenPlenty (talk) 08:00, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 4) I personally believe a steward shouldn't negatively assume as much as he does. He also appears to have the mindset of "I'm right, you're wrong"; I think a steward should have an open mind, which he does at times but not enough to my liking. I find him very argumentative and I really think he should be more empathetic so that he can have an understanding to how others feel or perceive instead of falsely assuming something or misunderstanding people. I don't doubt that he's done some useful things, but his behavior for the most part just doesn't sit well with me. Danner (talk) 19:30, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 5) *I have to say I really don't see where this argument is coming from, and I know Dmehus always talks about and insists that good-faith is assumed (#miraheze-cvt is proof of that), and I've not seen any lack of empathy. Again, as I said in my oppose statement I think we would all benefit if links and evidence were provided rather than claims just being thrown around with nothing to back them up.  Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 20:37, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 6) **Hi, I know you're talking to Danner but I found this: https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ThomasTheTrainFan2&diff=prev&oldid=163180&diffmode=source
 * 1) ***Just for the record, this IP got blocked by Doug after he made this comment, I realize this is a potiental proxy/vpn, but blocking someone that is providing evidence is very wrong... should of been left for someone else, as it now looks as if the intent could of been to silence users with evidence against him. Zppix (Meta &#124; talk to me) 22:58, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 2) ****Not at all, no open proxies policy states that open proxies are to be globally soft blocked from editing on sight across the Miraheze wiki farm. Assuming the anonymous user already has an account, they're most welcome to login and add further comments. Additionally, they can also create an account without using the given NordVPN range, then login, and comment. Dmehus (talk) 23:08, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 3) *****I’m aware of what NOP says, I also know its usually in bad taste to block people whom comment on a request involving you. No where on NOP does it say it has the person whom discovered it to be the blocking person. Zppix (Meta &#124; talk to me) 23:16, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 4) ******I see your point, and get what you're saying, and if this were blocking a user's account, yes, that would be inappropriate. However, in this case, it is not a block of the user; rather, it is just a block of a known open proxy/VPN (NordVPN), which are prohibited from editing anonymously across the Miraheze wiki farm. The comment was not struck. The user themselves was not blocked; they are most welcome to login or to create an account and login to add to their comment. It would arguably be derelict in my responsibilities as a Steward to not globally soft block a known open proxy/VPN that I observed being used on Miraheze, as one of the responsibilities of Stewards and Global Sysops is to ensure the community's established global policies, which include no open proxies policy, are carried out. Dmehus (talk) 23:24, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 5) ******* this a quote from yourself on my revocation of GS, you seem to fail to follow your own advice. You clearly blocked the IP giving no thought to COI, and you refuse to accept the fact you should of let another steward or GS handle it. Zppix (Meta &#124; talk to me) 23:35, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 6) ********Hrm? I'm not sure I see your point here. The quotation around which you're deriving your comment has been taken out of context. You didn't dispute that the soft block per no open proxies policy was incorrect; your issue seems to be with me as the global functionary that enacted said block. No open proxies policy works in harmony with user accounts policy, both of which are global policies, and so the former is to be globally soft blocked on sight mainly to prevent abuse of the latter. It would be derelict of me not to block an open proxy/VPN that I noticed in . If another global functionary wants to unblock and reblock, or suggests it be unblocked, I would have no issues with doing that or having them do that, after having considered the rationale provided. So, I'm not sure I see your point about me not being willing to take criticism. I would also add that I'm still waiting for you to identify to me specific issues which I haven't resolved or course corrected to your satisfaction. Instead, you've proceeded directly to this request without having made sufficient attempts to resolve issues with me directly or with other Stewards. Dmehus (talk) 23:48, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 7) *********I can’t really make it more clear, you, the person this request is about, globally blocked an IP addreess, that commented on said request, which would be a COI, as your the user involved in the request, therefore another person should of handled the blocking, not yourself. It would be like if I were to block someone that voted oppose right now, it would be wrong, regardless if policy supports it, as I am involved. Zppix (Meta &#124; talk to me) 00:01, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 8) **********I get that, as I said above, but we do not permit anonymous users from voting in permissions requests or RfCs. They can make comments, certainly, and I've done nothing to the anonymous user's account (if the anonymous user has an account), nor have I restricted them from further commenting on this request at all. I've just globally soft rangeblocked the NordVPN IP per policy. The user is most welcome to make further comments, logged in or logged out, but just not logged out using that VPN. So, I'm not sure how this would be a conflict of interest, as I said above. Part of being a Steward is weighing whether enforcing our global policies outweighs any perceived potential conflict of interest. As a hypothetical example, the Code of Conduct Commission policy stipulates that Commission members are supposed to recuse themselves in cases where they work closely in non-Commission capacities with either the subject(s) of the complaint or the complainant(s). In practical terms, this isn't always possible if there were a case that was either brought to the Commission by or was about a member of either the Steward or system administrator team. As I said, it would be derelict of me to neglect my responsibilities to enforce no open proxies policy, together with other policies, but I would be most happy for another Steward or Global Sysop, whether Void, John, Reception123, MrJaroslavik, or some other person to review the block and either (a) reblock or (b) unblock. Dmehus (talk) 00:14, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 9) ***********CoC doesnt not enforce NOP... nor is this request about CoCC, you say you get the point, but yet you continue to spout irrelevant policies and processes that arent related to the situation. This is why I have difficulty bringing this up to you privately, clearly you either refuse or are incapable of actually understanding how COI works, regardless I do believe that theres a severe lack of policy understanding which for a steward isn’t acceptable. Zppix (Meta &#124; talk to me) 00:31, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1)  First of all, I'd like to start with the main issue with this request, not even regarding the claims being made. The main issue I have is that there have not, in my view, been sufficient attempts to discuss your concerns with Dmehus. I concede that there have been some but for the most part at least they were not very civil and were heated arguments rather than sensible discussions which could have occurred on a talk page (as to be visible to any interested user). After that, if that didn't work I feel the next step would've been to speak with another Steward and ask them what they think and if they could have a word with Dmehus if they agree that he has done something wrong. Second of all, revoking a Steward is a major and serious step (and has never been done before) so I would have expected more proof and links to be provided rather than just one IRC log from yesterday, at least for users who do not actively monitor everything and cannot be expected to know what Dmehus does on a daily/regular basis. That's why I feel that regardless of the accusations, revocation is really the final option and alternatives should be explored before going to this extreme. Thirdly, I agree that there have been some mistakes, everyone makes mistakes but that these missteps are not enough to amount to a revocation and in my opinion the benefits of Dmehus being Steward and the good things he has done still far outweigh the few things that he has done wrong. I also can't really agree with the fact that the drama started after Dmehus was steward, the drama that is being referred to was alive before. Finally, the main premise seems to be the fact that you believe that Dmehus doesn't listen to your concerns and thinks that he's always right. If you believe that is the case I must go back to my original point which is: contact other Stewards and ask for a second opinion. Maybe attempts have been made privately, I don't know, but I'm not aware of any attempts made to discuss with other Stewards and get their opinion on any specific actions taken by Dmehus. I'd also like to point out that a lot of the issues with Dmehus seem to be centered around IRC and Discord, perhaps the proposals made in User:Void/Discord will alleviate some of those concerns. P.S.: As a minor note, this revocation request should've been done at either RfS or SN, as Community noticeboard isn't really meant for these type of requests. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 08:00, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I have somewhat BOLDly moved this here, in RfS. 12:10, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 1)  my main concerns are based off-wiki, on platform moderation (IRC and Discord). I talked to dmehus, and addressed these concerns, which we came to a reasonable understanding, which in the long-term will hopefully resolve any and all concerns from the community. I would also like to add, off-wiki conduct should not result in on-wiki revocation. To expand on the off wiki concerns I also have, Dmehus does often pre-communicate platform changes to myself, Reception123, or other platform moderators, often pending a formal community discussion, however I still have the concerns mainly because we are not solely the community at large. There should not be changes, which I now realize, to platforms without a community discussion first. All-in-all Dmehus is not solely at fault here and is kind of taking the full blast of community displeasure in the undiscussed moderation actions.. Finally, I feel Zppix should have privately talked with Dmehus beforehand and attempted to resolve these issues. It's ironic that Zppix mentions drama on Miraheze, yet this very act is itself continuing the drama of which he complains about, and I personally don't like that one bit.
 * P.S. Dmehus' on-wiki steward work has been outstanding, and it'd be a loss to see him loose stewardship over a little bit of off-wiki conduct and drama. 08:13, 21 February 2021 (UTC) ］ |
 * 1)  It saddens me greatly that Zppix would propose such a request to revoke someone's Steward rights, despite having made no attempt to resolve any concerns with me privately. As I've demonstrated, my Discord, IRC, and user talk page remain open. Platform moderation responsibilities that come with the Steward or even the Site Reliability Engineering by convention have been a main area of focus for me, and I will just reiterate what I have said before, multiple times, on Discord and in  on IRC, which is that I've always favoured some sort of community-appointed or -elected platform moderation role, not inherited by past conventions based on one's wiki groups. Any changes to platform moderation I've proposed with a limited number of platform moderators have always been designed to be interim measures pending a formal, full community discussion, which User:Void/Discord aims to do (it's still not ready to go live as there's still some additional amendments needed, but I do very much look forward to that discussion). Nevertheless, since the Discord and IRC platform moderation roles have never been key to me, and to be honest, I'm usually so busy on-wiki that others end up having to deal with "Music Troll" and the like, I'm actually going to request that John remove my   flags in  tomorrow, and once the Discord RfC goes live, I will not continue as a platform moderator. Dmehus (talk) 08:26, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  While Doug does have his faults, everyone does and he's learning. I'm not going to repeat what's being said too much by my colleagues above but I don't think revoking Steward is appropiate as I don't see any serious issues. My advice to Doug is to ensure he listens to feedback people give and not be too eager to put things in place if it might be appropiate to ask for feedback. Overall, I think Doug is doing fairly well though at a challenging role with a lot of responsibility.  ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  09:03, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 3)  I have carefully read the three support comments as well as the introduction proposed by the nominator and have come to the conclusion that I cannot support this effort. My first argument against removal must unfortunately be an argument ad hominem. I do appreciate what Zppix has done for Miraheze as a volunteer but it is impossible for anyone to ignore that four months ago in November Zppix got his Global Sysop rights revoked. Looking at the reasons expressed there and the comments I have to say there is an ironic tone for this very request which seems to accuse Dmehus of doing things not dissimilar from what Zppix was accused of and which were the reason for him being removed. For example, Zppix in his opening statement states that "I believe the steward has just given him too much power and its sadly turn his behaviour for the worse." In my view that can be perfectly applied to the revocation of Zppix as well since two of the reasons exposed were "Feeling as though he is not limited by the policy to which he is bound by; and, Feeling like he is not accountable to stewards". In these cirumsctances the saying the pot calls the kettle black comes to my mind. I do not mean any offense or harm to Zppix but by beginning this process it could very likely be expected by Zppix that his own behavior might be evaluated and if it was not expected there may be a lack of self reflection involved. Next I will turn to the actual accusations made against Dmehus. Many good points have been made by the other users who opposed already, one which Zppix has rebutted (the argument that no evidence has been given to us for review). I understand that many issues have been taking place on external platforms such as IRC and Discord. I believe that it is not fair for someone to say this evidence exists but that it cannot be shared, this would lead to hearsay and the community cannot be expected to simply believe somebody and vote for a revocation based on this. I do not also see why pinging users on IRC or Discord is consequential to the position of Steward and I am confused about the reasoning of the resignation of Zppix but it is difficult to think that it is only because of Dmehus, one person. In conclusion I have myself done some research and observed over time and while there were some actions by Dmehus that I cannot say I agreed with (the report extension issue that is cited, other more minor issues) I do not think that these things are enough to revoke a Steward (who was elected by the community). Without evidence I can unfortunately not take the other accusations into account as it would not be just. If there is a problem with Dmehus I think that it should be raised on his talk page, publicly so that it is not done in secrecy and everyone in the community can participate in the debate if they wish to do this. Moreover, if such a discussion should fail I believe it would be more appropriate to either discuss privately with another Steward (as it was mentioned above) or begin a discussion on the Community Noticeboard before taking the final step of removal. DeeM28 (talk) 12:31, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I never said that my resignation was purely because of him... yes it was part of, but theres more to it then that. The reason I brought up the pinging was to give an example more of IDHT. Zppix (Meta &#124; talk to me) 12:48, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 1)  Sorry, but I am opposing this, simply because not only do I find this extremely unnecessary, but I don't agree with this reason at all. While  has done some questionable stuff, he's always trying his best to make sure everyone is helping each other out. I really don't think it would even be necessary to revoke his Steward rights, considering how this request feels like it was made on impulse (considering how I have acted on impulse before, and not just here either). Besides that, is it really worth to try and demote him of those rights over small minor mistakes? Case in point, it's a rather foolish decision in spite of a revocation on behalf of Dmehus. In conclusion, I really can't support this and rightfully so, as it would feel more of a waste of not only my time, but yours as well. I rest my case. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 12:39, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Should we wrap this up as unsuccessful? I don't really see the point of keeping this up here any longer. I am going to request this request to be closed since this is pointless now. I feel as though this request isn't going to be fulfilled. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 19:57, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Why? Not everyone checking Meta every day. For example one week is fine in my opinion.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 20:11, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * No, it should not be "wrapped up" after less than a day. There is no reason why it should not run for the standard time of 1 week. Naleksuh (talk) 20:32, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * It's mostly because everyone else here except for 3 people agreed that this proposal isn't really worth it. Not to mention this request was made on impulse. I mean, what's the point of requesting it here, when the issues could've been resolved elsewhere? DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 20:18, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I wasn't going to comment on this, but you do not know what caused me to create this.... you ASSUME its impluse, I created this because I am apart of the community and thus able to create a request as I feel theres a need to do so. Zppix (Meta &#124; talk to me) 20:26, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * It's true that you have been a part of this community for nearly 4 years, according to your global account information here, but my main concern about this proposal was how little evidence was shown, judging by the links you gave. The logs I looked at on GitHub barely shows what you said. Case closed. (And keep in mind that I will not make anymore further replies on this thread, especially since this is the weirdest proposal I've ever read on here.) DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 20:53, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'm perfectly fine if people want this up for a week, so let's just keep it just how it is for now, and let everyone else take their pick. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 20:46, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 1)  I have had plenty on interaction with Dmehus on IRC, but never any negative interactions. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 16:59, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 2) I have been thinking about this for a while. First of all, one thing that I do want to say is that I do have some problems/concerns with Dmehus, primarily with handling stuff off-wiki that should be on-wiki, involved violations, and privilege escalation in general. I have been trying to bring this issues up with him and work with him instead of against him. If it got really bad then I could be convinced to support. However, if you have a concern with something the user is doing off-wiki then you can propose off-wiki action. Both because the user is still clearly a net positive onwiki and due to the rather low volume/strength of what the nominator has shown, I don't see a need to remove the steward permissions at this time. As always there are no final decisions on anything. Naleksuh (talk) 17:47, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 3)  In my eyes, you seem to have made a reason because you want to take away Doug's authority. And Doug helped me a lot. What's more, he hasn't voted against the stewardship above. Also, I feel that the restrictions below are a mess when this request is not passed.-- 01:28, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 4)  I don't really see much point on this here. Most of the things mentioned could be resolved privately, IMHO. Everyone has their faults, but everything can be resolved without drama.  &mdash;Lakelimbo (talk)&emsp; 01:36, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 5)  I believe that instead of trying to demote him you should be trying to help be a guide. I know stewardship is a big deal and all, but we are all human at the end of the day. Stewardship from my understanding also takes quite a bit of knowledge and experience...which I believe he indeed possesses. While I see there were some things that were quite controversial...I don't believe demotion is always the answer. If he gets mentored by another user I believe he should pull through these issues.  Hypercane  <font color="#8152C6">(  talk <font color="#8152C6">) 01:50, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Commments

 * 1) It has been mentioned a lack of evidence, part of the reasoning behind that is that the evidence I would have are from private channels that are covered by NDA or some other non-public understanding between its members. I would like to address the claims of me not trying to talk to Doug first, this is simply false, I have on numerous occasions have had to ask Doug, to make sure he discusses when he makes a change to something (I.E when he reverts an administrative action on wiki), then he continues to later make changes once again without discussing it. While he may discuss somethings, he fails to discuss things, sometimes major things, such as enabling the Report ext on Meta without community consensus. I would like to also make it clear that this request is not sole-ly based on the reason for my resignation from Sysadmin, this is based on my observations from his appointment to current time. To further add evidence, he excessively pings users on IRC/discord because his refusal to use pastes, after being asked to please do so. (Evidence will be posted ASAP). When determining consensus, he seems to also assume silence means support, which on the first piece of evidence will demonstrate 1 instance of such. Don’t get me wrong, Doug is helpful, but I just think steward may of been too soon. Zppix (Meta &#124; talk to me) 10:10, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 2) May I please ask why some diffs related to this request were suppressed? Thanks. 12:20, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 3) *It looks like someone edited logged out or had an inappropriate username. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  12:39, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 4) **I see. Thank you. 12:55, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 5) Another somewhat controversial question (this one is for Zppix) before I share my thoughts: where did you get the IRC logs? # miraheze-ops is an NDA-protected IRC channel. You should not have access to this since your resignation. And even if you have access, you should not share them somewhere public like GitHub Gist. I believe this is illegal. 12:55, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 6) *It's not +i or NDA protected but the fair point is you shouldn't be publishing logs without consent of all parties involved which I'm gonna assume wasn't given. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  13:00, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 7) ** Its a public channel, anyone could of seen those messages themselves. Theres nothing in the topic saying I cannot public log. Zppix (Meta &#124; talk to me) 13:04, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 8) **Oh, okay. Zppix also just mentioned that on Discord. 13:04, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 9) ***For transparency and to erase all doubt, the channel will also be publicly logged in the future. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 13:12, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 10) Abstain. Dmehus annoys me.  He edits my posts, he interposes himself into virtually every conversation here, and on one occasion when I created an RfC that seemed to be where the decision was heading, he deleted it in favor of more conversation.  I have mostly stayed on the rfobasic wiki and off Meta for the four months since then, and indeed was unaware that he had made Steward.  His tendency to manage conversations reminds me of Amanda trying to dictate the rules for her own disciplinary proceeding so as to favor herself.  However, I know nothing about the issues raised in this section, would be shocked if Stewardship led to such a drastic personality transformation and if group sentiment changed so quickly since his elevation, and sympathize with the lack of attempts to resolve problems informally.   23:25 21-Feb-2021 23:25, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 11)  All I can say here is that I have been noticing an argument between Zppix and, and 1 thing I must say here (and no, I'm not replying to that thread between him or Doug here) is that I feel like I'm watching little kids arguing on the playground. Seriously, the arguments started from this thread, and has only gotten worse from there. Not only do I find Zppix's constant response to Doug's reply a little over unnecessary, but is also another form of disruption from both sides equally. I don't see the reason to even continue this pointless fight. Both of them have already made their arguments loud and clear, and both of them couldn't be anymore clearer than how they have described their case. At this rate, I'm more than tempted to prevent this from escalating. Now, both of you have already reached the end of your ropes, and alright made your points, and all I can see from here is bitter rivalry between you 2. I see no reason to continue this. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 00:30, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

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Proposal 2: Activity restrictions
In the event revocation does not pass, I propose we restrict Doug from the following: These restrictions would last at least 30 calendar days, but can be extended by community, or other stewards if needed. Appeal can be done after 10 calendar days, which the community could vote on. Zppix (Meta &#124; talk to me) 16:28, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Changing any wiki's extensions without clear community consensus (unless required for security/legal purposes)
 * Changing any permissions/layouts of official off-wiki communication platforms without clear public consensus (except where doing so would violate an NDA)


 * There's no pattern of incidents relating to point 1. It's one incident and I doubt Doug will be making such a big change again any time soon. The second one wasn't actually carried out by Doug, he just requested it to my knowledge. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  16:30, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I provided in my statement above when creating this IRC logs with evidence that would state otherwise. Zppix (Meta &#124; talk to me) 16:31, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Your logs don't say otherwise though. He didn't force the change. He made a suggestion and asked someone to carry it out who did. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  16:33, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * With respect, this feels like an out of process request. For one thing, instead of raising concerns with Stewards, as others have both articulated and suggested above, you've continued to propose restrictions and other alternate proposals. For another matter, some extensions are enabled by Stewards without discussion; this is mainly due to a lack of clarity and codification in the guidelines related to what does and does not require a discussion. A better strategy would be to assist in codifying said guidelines. Finally, for another matter, that is moot, since I've resigned as an  in  on IRC and on Discord following the RfC. Dmehus (talk) 16:34, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Guidelines are called guidelines for a reason, just because its not there, doesn't mean it should happen. Zppix (Meta &#124; talk to me) 16:37, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what the point you're trying to make is? My point is that there is a lack of clarity in terms of what extensions require a discussion and what do not. One thought Reception123 had in a related discussion at Administrators' noticeboard is that if it proposes to change the workflow of Meta user groups, then it should have a discussion. Similarly, I've likewise suggested that if it proposes to add or otherwise change either the user rights or user groups of local Meta user groups, then it should have a discussion. These are the sort of things everyone could assist in codifying, which is all I'm saying. Dmehus (talk) 16:40, 21 February 2021 (UTC)


 * 1) This is silly. Either an editor can be trusted with Steward permissions or they cannot. Partial restrictions like this with a permission like Steward are not a good idea. Naleksuh (talk) 16:42, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  I hate to say this, but this is pretty much a losing battle at this point. Even if this was to pass, it wouldn't make a difference, no matter how much you look at it. While Zppix has done some good things around here, this 2nd proposal really takes away credibility from both parties, and at what cost? This makes no sense to me, and I don't really get the point of this 2nd proposal. Wouldn't that pose a problem on both sides? Sorry to say, but I strongly oppose this decision no matter how many times we all look at it. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 16:58, 21 February 2021 (UTC)


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YellowFrogger's Request for Stewardship
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User: YellowFrogger ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Reasoning for request
See the tool and check for a suspicious user

Additional comments given by user (if any)
HI

You could put me as  'CheckUser'  on, I have more than 5,000 editions and 30 days of activity there, here on META too, so I don't edit here.

✔️I declare that I do this in good faith. And I know the policies and terms of use for wikis - YellowFrogger ( talk) 01:39, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Oppose

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MrJaroslavik's Request for Stewardship
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User: MrJaroslavik ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Reasoning for request
Hello everyone, i am MrJaroslavik (same username on WMF). I am active on Miraheze since June 2020 as wiki creator and administrator on Meta. I was elected as Global Sysop back in August 2020. More about me on my userpage. Since my appointment i had done some global (b)locks, mainly spam/vandalism only or proxy blocks for IPs. I mainly handle requests from #miraheze-cvt channel (when i am online, my reply is usually instant). But sometimes there are request that needs supression of username or CU. In last month was on Meta some vandal attacks, where i could use CU tool. So generally steward permissions would be helpful sometimes. Ideally i would had wait if someone will request stewardship and request myself after about year, but sadly i don't see someone who considering it :/. I think there should be more stewards for better control, to avoid "one user's decisions" in some cases and also after abolishment of CoCC. Someone of you may know I have "own" strict rules about COI and asking when i am not sure. You may ask "Why you not doing stewards tasks, for example Requests for Adoptions?" My reply is simple - I don't usually do tasks for which I am not elected. I think it's logical. - I don't want have this application so long, so please ask me if you have questions and i will reply. It's up to you now. Thanks for consideration.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 20:33, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Additional comments given by user (if any)
As like in RfGS - If this my application will not be successful, I will be happy for anyone who will request stewardship.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 20:33, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Reply to I did't called someone as "undignified". I called that situation and this reply (transfer of the problem to the personal level) as "undignified". That are 2 meanings, at least in my native language.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 15:17, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Comments by other users

 * 1)  I'm a little bit concerned that this might be borderline hat-collecting, and too early for him. If you have any criticism to why I said this, please feel free to respond to your heart's content. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 13:51, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  Didn't he want to get his global rights revoked? InspecterAbdel (NLW) 14:38, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 3) * Yes, and it was completely about less than 48 hours ago, if I'm not mistaken. I was very sad to hear of what he and R4356th had to go through. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 14:42, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 4) ** Do you wish to withdraw based on that? ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  17:55, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Support

 * 1)  I think this is a little too early for MrJaroslavik but otherwise I have no concerns. He is trusted enough and I think is experienced enough considering his global group membership on WMF wikis.  13:09, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  You have always appeared to be a reasonable user in my eyes. I have no issues. --GondorChicken (talk) 09:57, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , if he still wants stewardship, this guy is reasonable, even when he tried to revoke Dmehus's rights, which I'm against (agaisnt the revocation of Dmehus's stewardship).

Oppose

 * 1)   Sorry, but this could be a bit too soon (at least to me it is). DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 21:36, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  My habitual disclaimer: regardless of the observations and comments I present below I think that you have done a good job as Global Sysop and Meta administrator and my hope is that the outcome of this RfC or my vote does not discourage you to continue functioning in these roles. I have balanced the arguments for and against and have come to the conclusion that at this point I am unable to support. Before I begin I agree and understand that it is difficult for a candidate to be able to show that they have what it takes to be Steward. To begin I think that it is important to look at the wider role of Steward which is not only to combat wiki vandalism but also to work with communities and to communcicate. MrJarsolavik notes that he does not do tasks that he was not elected for - I think that is pretty obvious and I do not see who could demand such a thing. What I think would be useful is if MrJaroslavik would be more implicated in threads on the Stewards' noticeboard and Community noticeboard. Not doing Steward tasks evidently but helping out wherever it is possible without using the tools that a Steward posesses. I do not personally believe that being a Global Sysop for a period of time automatically means that someone can become Steward, I think that there has to be something more for that. My second point is that regretfully I have observed that recently MrJaroslavik has been (in my humble opinion) discourteous, notably calling someone else "undignified" among other things that I do not need to list. Everyone is entitled to their views, but I think it is important for Stewards to not hold grudges, to be open-minded and to adopt civil and considerate language, as in a way they represent the entire project. In conclusion, as far as I am concerned if the observations I make above are addressed I would be open to reconsidering my position if another Request for Stewardship comes up at a later date. DeeM28 (talk) 14:35, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
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Ugochimobi's Request for Stewardship
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Reasoning for request
Hi there, I am requesting the Steward rights because of so many reasons, which I'm going to state concisely below. 1) We currently have 3 stewards on Miraheze which seem a bit low, 1 of which is an SRE member at the same time, while 1 of which has been the most active Steward in the past months until recently. We are all volunteers that also have other things doing, that's a very understandable fact, But It was recently that Doug was not as active as usual that's when we started having huge steward backlogs, requests for steward intervention, and all of that. 2) Another important thing is that Miraheze isn't growing as fast as most of us want it, We have a very good Infrastructure and MediaWiki team who are working tirelessly at the backend to giving a perfect frontend, But we lack modernization in terms of community organization, We need new things every day to keep our community active and functioning, You see Wikimedia? Wikimedia can never lose community members any day because of the new things they adopt every time and this is growing the community much faster than you can think. 3) I have so many ideas in my mind that I know when introduced to Miraheze, It'll not only keep our community together but make us grow faster than we can ever think of and by so doing, making Mirahezians comfortable with introducing Miraheze to their friends. 4) Our current stewards don't chat with the community like they ought to, I am a very open person that chats with the community every single time, ever since I was given the Global Interwiki Administrators right I have seen more reasons why I should be closer to the community because of the potentials I have personally and since then I didn't see the Interwiki admin role as a role to show-off or whatever, I saw it has an opportunity to help as many wikis as possible. I have also handled a bunch of Interwiki Requests across the Miraheze globe.

5) As a matter of fact, I've helped so many wikis, I've so many wiki founders understand the Content policy of Miraheze and I've found out that Coaching community members to abide by our codes of conduct may be a bit more challenging than handling the Stewardship of a role.

Let's fill the gap existing in the circle of stewards together So that, who is a steward and also an SRE member will not find being a steward very stressful and we also hope Doug comes back fully as I'd personally be glad. 6) I totally understand that it's a community, not a podium. For me, Community implies acting selflessly and giving/rendering services generously - resources, perspectives, information, ideas. I always think about the spectrum of topics that might interest members. I've also created a mind map to help push my thinking in new ways. We need more stewards to clear the backlog of stewards, Let's have a tight and organized community, Let's make everyone comfortable using Miraheze, Let's come together in unity to make Miraheze LTD. great both as a wiki farm and as a company.

I am very active in the Miraheze IRC/Discord servers, I am also active on the Community noticeboard, the Stewards' noticeboard amongst others. Lastly, I understand every single aspect of the Codes of conduct, S|Stewardship guidelines, Terms of Use, Privacy Policies, Content policies and so many others. Ugochimobi (talk) 16:38, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Additional comments given by user (if any)
Thank you soo much for reading the above text, It isn't easy reading such a long text you know. I await your opinion. Ugochimobi (talk) 16:38, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Questions for candidate
I have just a few questions for you, and please answer them with honesty. I await your response. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 16:47, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) What are your plans when you successfully become a Steward?
 * 2) Do you promise to not reveal ANY personal information when doing a CheckUser on suspicious characters, and long-term abusers?
 * 3) What would you do if someone vandalizes multiple wikis and no other Stewards are around to deal with them?


 * I really appreciate your question.
 * So many plans which includes, Introducing new community-like things like Events (on-wiki and off-line, like real life), Edit Milestones (with badges like "This user has 5000 Global Edits and deserves to display this badge/top-icon on their profile), and so many other features I know for sure will do us great good.
 * I cannot reveal any personal information of a user whether a long-term abuser or not. That's part of the CheckUser policies
 * I'd definitely handle the vandalism scenario myself If it's beyond the scope of a Global Sysop.
 * Thanks very much. Ugochimobi (talk) 17:08, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Comments by other users

 * Please let it be noted on record that a private accusation of canvassing has been made. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  15:31, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hmm, so my unspoken assumption was correct. But it's logic. It's surprising how many new Meta users voted...--MrJaroslavik (talk) 15:39, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Support

 * 1)  Oh yeah, absolutely. And if I can recall, Void did say that anybody could apply for Stewardship at any time, so of course it does make sense in a way. You seem to be the most active member on both here and Discord too. I definitely wouldn't have a problem with this either. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 16:44, 29 July 2021 (UTC)  Striked my vote and will move to Oppose instead. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 15:48, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your truthfulness. Ugochimobi (talk) 19:38, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 1)  I concur with DarkMatterMan4500, you are an extremely helpful user and I would absolutely love to see you as a Steward. Your help on Discord is phenomenal and I think we could definitely use another Steward, especially since all our Steward at the moment are overworked.  Agent Isai  Talk to me! 16:53, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Of a truth, I can't see someone that needs help and ignore, thanks very much. Ugochimobi (talk) 19:39, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 1)  Seize the day. Miraheze needs a hand and where I've bungled bits of CSS and other technical details, Ugo's been there to help. So in addition to basic activity, clear participation in the chats and noticeboards and an apparent good nature, he's technically able and I'm sure he'd be able to handle the Steward's toolkit safely. It's up to standing Stewards if they agree with that, of course. --Raidarr (talk) 17:41, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your kind words. Ugochimobi (talk) 19:40, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) He helped me when I worked over my own Miraheze and he know much about Wikicode. With him as Steward using Miraheze and asking for help will be great! Of course I have some afraids but according to what he is doing he will be a good person at this position. It's an excellent choice and acceptable outcome. CreationKeeper (talk) (contribs) 21:15, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your sincere support. Ugochimobi (talk) 19:41, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 1)   Small_Pig_reporter (talk)  4:40, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  CarI (talk) 05:18, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 3) Literally the most helpful guy I've met during my time establishing my Miraheze wiki (yet). Helped me a lot when I struggled to get my wiki to function. I wouldn't even cast an opposition vote, in fact if there's something higher than "Strongest support" I'd definitely pick that! Hika (talk) 08:29, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 4)  Nussun (talk) 08:46, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 5)  Okay, so I've read every supportive and opposing comment, now I do have to say that however I agree with some part of the opposals made, a lot is illogical. **Now to state the illogical:** first, the supposed mention of a Steward Tool, I haven't seen any mention of that in the appeal nor any comments made by Ugochimobi. Second, the age of their account proves nothing towards their skill level making that statement totally unviable, I could for example have an account which is 10 years old and still know **nothing** about editting only because I'm a commoner on Miraheze. I've seen people come and go in other communities starting with 0 experience, surpassing me in skill and experience in only 3 months time even though I have **2 years of experience**. Age of an account just doesn't prove anything, and Ugochimobi on the contrary has proven their skillset of sourcecoding, and communication withing the community. We should not be taking them for granted and promote them as long as their activity and good work keeps showing. They deserve it. CrossKnight07 (talk) 10:56, 30 July 2021 (UTC+1)
 * 6)  – Since I joined, I have been thinking that we need more stewards to assist in clearing out the stewards' backlog because, in most of the occasions, I have only seen one Steward responding to the requests, the other two are doing the good work as SRE members. And yes, Ugochimobi has been active and involved in the movement, helping users at the Community and Stewards' noticeboard and on the Discord, where he has responded to a number of interwiki requests. The issues raised by those who opposed, didn't convince me to oppose based on their comments. So, IMHO Chimobi will be a good addition to the team. Good luck! :-) ~ Mazzaz (talk)  13:45, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1)  First of all like I always say please do not be discouraged by my vote to continue volunteering, I think you are doing a great job as a volunteer. I would to first mention that just because the current Stewards are inactive that does not mean that we should lower our standards and support someone that we would not support if Stewards were active (this is a general observation not particular to this request). My main reason for not supporting this request is that overall I think it is too early and Ugochimobi has not yet demonstrated that he or she would be a capable Steward and have use for the tools. I understand that Ugochimobi has helped numerous users on Discord and has been very active but that is not really enough to demonstrate that someone has the capability to be Steward because otherwise many users would be qualified for this position and all someone would have to do in order to run for Steward is be helpful and nice to people. It also concerned me that in response to DarkMatterMan4500's question Ugochimobi's "plans" for being Steward they only listed things that he or she can do without having any tools at all. Helping out does not need extra tools or a 'label'. Next Ugohimobi talks a lot about helping users and communities which is very good of course but an issue for me is that Ugochimobi does not make a lot of mentions of Steward tools and how these tools would be useful for them. I understand that it is hard to demonstrate that you have what it takes to be Steward and that is why I would suggest trying to do more countervandalism related work and maybe becoming Global Sysop before so you can demonstrate to us that you are able to use the tools correctly. Finally I also hesitate to support this because of the short time period that you have been around (less than 4 months on Meta). Therefore I feel like there is a lot of potential but that this request is premature and I would be willing to support at a later time if I see continuing positive things that demonstrate your capability for the role. Good luck! --DeeM28 (talk) 17:48, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your observation, But firstly, I didn't mention any steward tool in my request or in my answer to DarkMatterMan4500 doesn't mean I can not handle one. For sure I can handle any steward tool without causing any chaos or the like. Secondly, we have fewer stewards currently isn't the only reason I stated in my request, so many others that are gonna help us all, and I'm sure no one has that type of Idea currently. Thirdly, I am an experienced user, TBH I can practically solve any on-wiki problem, except it requires a typical level of codes that I can't handle, My account is 5 months old but My experience using MediaWiki is over 10 years old, I can assure you that. I've also done several counter-vandalism works on local wikis across Miraheze even though I am not a Global Sysop.
 * I think most users don't attempt to do tasks because they're not given the position, users won't report vandalism when they find one because they'd say "I'm not a global sysop, so why should I", They won't help the community when they find lags because they're not Stewards. But I don't do that, I don't care if I am not a GS or Steward.
 * I'm sure I could help other users to be experienced and then in the future we can have more stewards and GS.
 * Thanks very much. Ugochimobi (talk) 18:05, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * (non-DeeM28 comment) "I didn't mention any steward tool..." - You've applied for steward permission and used this as reasoning.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 18:10, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, I didn't mention anything related to the Steward tool on my request either. Thanks :-) Ugochimobi (talk) 18:14, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) I wanted comment on same way as Dee, but he was faster, so my short comment: We need more stewards, but 1) You account is 5 months old, 2) You don't need most expensive permissions for community things you mentioned, 3) question about revealing of PII should be clear without some question, 4) Being active on Discord doesn't mean you are qualified to become steward, 5) Let's try apply for GS or sysop on Meta firstly,--MrJaroslavik (talk) 18:07, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Being active on Discord/IRC is the same as being active in the community brother. Stewards aren't meant to be editing on meta only are they? No, stewards ought to be global-wise, helping the global community, friendly, etc. Ugochimobi (talk) 18:19, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 1)  i think he is still  kind of new plus i would like to see them with lower ranks and work up before considering them for this advanced permission. --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 14:47, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Like I've always said, I am practically not new in any way. I don't want to start repeating how experienced I am using the MediaWiki software, how helpful I am in the community, and How useful I am and would be whether I am given the Steward role. One important thing is, If it's possible to be able to perform the steward role and not carrying the steward flag, I'd even prefer it that way, But no, It has to be community opened. You really cannot imagine seeing the currently stewards' backlog and still oppose. Ugochimobi (talk) 15:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm possibly willing to reconsider, I really see you putting a good effort into you're work its just I would also find it off to give someone steward who has only been around at miraheze for less then 5 months I do not want this to have any effect on my vote at all I Honestly never gotten to really know you much ether and  I do think being active within miraheze should be what has an effect on this rank not including  discord and irc I know it would also seem off of me to just vote oppose when i  personally have not looked at you're past edits and experience and therefore it was kind of off of me to do however I will possibly reconsider in a future request. however on the bright side i am willing to support possibly global syosp at the moment. Cocopuff2018 (talk) 15:21, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 1)  Based on what I have seen, I have 0 other choice. This candidate has aggressively canvassed for votes in private venues.  ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  15:37, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  per the above points. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 15:41, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 3)  per the canvassing. — Arcversin (talk) 15:48, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 4)  Wiki canvassing is unacceptable, I changed my vote to oppose after learning about the issue. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 15:50, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Ugochimobi (talk) 16:04, 30 July 2021 (UTC)


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