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Dormancy Exemption Request
Hello, I'm the bureaucrat for the Blade XLord Wiki. The game Blade XLord (English server) has announced its shutdown on September 30, 2020. Since there will be no more English content updates, the Wiki will also no longer receive any updates moving forward. However, since there are no other readily available English guides/sources for the game, some of the guides may still be useful for those who are shifting to the Japanese server. Because of this, I would still like to request the Wiki be exempt from the dormancy policy for archival purposes if possible. --Elaeagnifolia (talk) 08:36, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * All the best. ThesenatorO5-2 (talk) 10:28, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I have not looked through the content of this wiki, but you mentioned this wiki has a Japanese version that will be updated. It would be relatively straightforward (a Phabricator request) to merge this wiki's content into one or more new namespaces on the Japanese language wiki. We also need to consider that someone else may wish to adopt this English language wiki in accordance with Dormancy Policy, allowing it to stay independent of the Japanese wiki and continue to be maintained and updated. We should be mindful of the implications before rushing in to granting inactivity exemptions, so as not to "front run" our existing policies (chiefly Dormancy Policy). If, however, there were no requests to adopt it at requests for adoption, then I think we'd, potentially, have a stronger case for an exemption here (with the caveat that I've yet to assess its content on that basis). Until that process has played out, I can neither support nor oppose this request as described and discussed. Dmehus (talk) 14:37, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * To clarify, there is a Japanese version of the game, and there are Japanese informational sites available for the game (eg. blogs, game guide/database sites owned by commercial entities), but there is no Japanese Wiki in the sense of having an open, community-editable resource where I could add the info I've datamined from the game assets (Information not available on any of the sites, English or Japanese, that I've come across). While I wouldn't be adverse to the Wiki being adopted, I believe the chance is slim as I've been pretty much the only active editor for the past 2-3 months. If I knew anyone that was interested in continuing to maintain the Wiki, then I would've gladly handed over the reins of the Wiki to them instead of putting the Wiki into a permanent archival state, but unfortunately, I don't know anyone willing. What I do know though is that there is a subset of English players moving to the Japanese server, and I believe the English-written guides and datamined information would still be beneficial to that group of people. Hope that provides more insight into the situation! --Elaeagnifolia (talk) 22:41, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for that expanded detail and clarification to your Dormancy Policy exemption request. I know stewards have discretion here and this isn't something on which we !vote as a community, but I particularly like that you would be interested in handing it over to someone else, if they were willing to keep it current and actively maintain it. Given that, if stewards were to grant you an exemption request, would be supportive of the idea of someone potentially adopting it in the future if the person(s) can show, to steward satisfaction, that the requestor(s) can demonstrate that they have both the (a) knowledge and (b) commitment level in order to reinvigorate the wiki? The wiki would, notionally, thus be exempt from deletion due to inactivity, while at the same time, not making it exempt from adoption to qualified adopters. Functionally, a steward could note, presumably via a footnote next to your wiki's listing in the Dormancy Policy exceptions listing this caveat, linking to to the permalink or diff of the revision of this request at closing. Dmehus (talk) 23:16, 31 July 2020 (UTC)


 * I'd like to point out that dormancy policy exemptions don't necessarily require voting and are usually decided by a Steward. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 15:53, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is a good point, too. Since arguments were expressed by the requestor, I just felt compelled to point out the reason(s) by which a steward may wish to not grant this exemption request. Though you've replied to my comment, I don't necessarily think it was directed towards me, though, since I'm not the one who merely !voted. I think my point about this potentially circumventing Dormancy Policy by trying to shut down a wiki and put it into a permanent archival state, without other users' being given a chance to maintain the wiki from a technical/maintenance point of view as well as from the perspective of content currency is particularly compelling. Dmehus (talk) 15:58, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Please Lock this troll
ETWGdbfnjkmazrTh Is a troll user who made a nonsense wiki request in the farmer log.㊗️⚽️Μπέλα2006⚽️㊗️ (talk) 19:17, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they did make a wiki request that was invalid. However, at this time, it appears that they do not need to be locked, as they have made no contributons on any wiki, and they have not tripped the abuse filter. They have not done anything since I warned them on there talk page. If anything changes me or another user here will let you know, and a steward will look at the request and determine if they need to be locked. Thanks! --TFFfan (talk) 19:22, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I think the user should be locked, as the gibberish might be a sign of malware InspecterAbdel (talk) 19:24, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * They continued after warnings. --TFFfan (talk) 19:29, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I think he is going to be the next MrPissShitHead (And sorry if I said cuss words).㊗️⚽️Μπέλα2006⚽️㊗️ (talk) 19:31, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree. Unfortunately. --TFFfan (talk) 19:34, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Regrettably, not having seen the farmer log spamming, I would have to support this, too. Dmehus (talk) 19:39, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah and doing this stuff will result in him getting a lock.㊗️⚽️Μπέλα2006⚽️㊗️ (talk) 19:46, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It's only one log action on one wiki, but with a random username like that, the probability of this user being either (a) a vandalism-only account or (b) a sockpuppet of an LTA is high. Dmehus (talk) 19:48, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah exactly.㊗️⚽️Μπέλα2006⚽️㊗️ (talk) 19:55, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Update: ETWGdbfnjkmazrTh has been ✅ by RhinosF1. This should be sufficient, since Special:CreateWiki is not available on other Miraheze wikis. If the disruption continues, a steward can follow up. 21:23, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

(reset indent) I would recommend that users stop voting (support/oppose) on lock requests. They are not an election or a competition. If a Global Sysop or Steward thinks it is necessary they will lock the user but there is absolutely no need to vote on it, and user votes on these matters will not be taken into account. This user only having vandalised Meta, I do not see the need for a lock at this time. If there is any cross-wiki vandalism this may be reconsidered. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 06:10, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm going to leave this for now. It was only two requests spaced several minutes apart. If they do the exact same thing after the local block expires then I suggest immediately reblocking and would recommend a lock at that time. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( Talk • Contribs ) 11:28, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

I can't change permission
I am the 更紗語辞典's bureaucrat. I created new user group named "架空世界創作者". But I can't add users to this permission group. What should I do? --TANUKI (talk) 02:58, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * go to Special:ManageWiki/permissions/bureaucrat and check the box named "Can add to others" next to "架空世界創作者" in the "Group Assignments" section. 03:18, 1 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * Thank you. Solved. --TANUKI (talk) 03:41, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

I can't do visual editing
I always get an error message. Is it possible to reinstate visual editing?

Trevor807 (talk) 18:20, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * On your wiki, or on Meta? In any case, community portal is the best place to ask these sort of questions. Having said that and assuming you meant on Meta, that is a long-standing, undesirable configuration issue, and I'm in the process of putting together a Phabricator request and, where required, a community discussion to fix this. In the mean time, if you have your preferences set globally, go to Special:Preferences, and disable "visual editor" (only 4-5 people have it active, very likely because of this configuration issue). When I have established the Phabricator ticket and, where required, community discussion, I'll ping you to express a view, if you wish. Dmehus (talk) 19:02, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Any wiki, it seems.

Trevor807 (talk) 06:08, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Could you please let us know what error message you are getting, and on which wiki? Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 06:24, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Message: Error loading data from server: apierror-visualeditor-docserver-http-error: (curl error: 52) Server returned nothing (no headers, no data). Would you like to retry?. DifferentHistory Wiki and Best TV Shows Wiki.

Trevor807 (talk) 21:35, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Same here. The error I get is this: Error loading data from server: apierror-visualeditor-docserver-http-error: (curl error: 52) Server returned nothing (no headers, no data). Would you like to retry? - Theblazemaster4 (talk) 15:19, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Electowiki's configuration of VisualEditor and New Wikitext Editor seems to be the only Miraheze wiki on which I've never encountered this error. We should mirror that configuration globally, particularly on Meta. I believe the problem is when VisualEditor is disabled in some namespaces, since New Wikitext Editor is set to  (per the default configuration instructions on MediaWiki), it's not separately enabled. How the Wikimedia-owned and -operated wikis do it is they have some wikis where VE is enabled everywhere and some where it's enabled only in certain namespaces. In all wikis, though, New Wikitext Editor is enabled. Pinging . Dmehus (talk) 15:42, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Could someone please globally lock this user?
His name is RainBoy107.

Reason: He said in a YouTube video that he'd be happy if a user died and had the audacity to say that he would celebrate her death. He's also been acting like a pervert towards minors too. Here's a link to where he was acting so heartless: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWFya401z6A&t=49s DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) 14:53, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Please check below.

What the heck just happened
I just got a notice saying that there was a Attempt to log into my account from another device probably meaning that somebody is trying to hack my account. Can anyone explain this? ㊗️⚽️Μπέλα2006⚽️㊗️ (talk) 14:58, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * If it's says it was unsucessful, change your password to a more secure one and enable 2FA. If it was successful, please email tech@undefinedmiraheze.org ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  15:14, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * My password is the same as my zoom password, I only use it to get easier access to my account and also, it was a wrong password.㊗️⚽️Μπέλα2006⚽️㊗️ (talk) 15:17, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Please do not reuse passwords. If they never got in, you should be fine but I strongly suggest you take this opportunity to review your digital security. I've asked a member of our technical team to review signs of any compromise. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  15:21, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You probably logged in from another device InspecterAbdel (talk) 20:05, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Request for wiki deletion
I request that the wiki at https://arrowverse.miraheze.org be deleted. Universal Omega (talk) 17:37, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Relisting for steward action. Dmehus (talk) 02:40, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * One typo has been corrected. ThesenatorO5-2 (talk) at 09:43, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Why would you want this wiki deleted? ThesenatorO5-2 (talk) at 09:43, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Probably because created the wiki, possibly in error, so he is requesting that a steward delete it? Dmehus (talk) 12:19, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * is correct.

Yet again another troll came
User:MR. PlSSSHITHEAD came back and went to Unfavorable Wikis and Users Wiki and then he went to upload a gif showing a gross image of a naked guy squatting. Lock him. --Hookuai (talk) 15:55, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ By . --TFFfan (talk) 16:06, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * This user has an apparent preference for similar usernames. You could probably thwart these users from even being created with a simple wildcarded entry to your Title blacklist. It won't stop the user from creating entirely new usernames, but at least it would prevent the user, to a certain extent, from creating myriad variations on "Mr. Pissshithead". Dmehus (talk) 16:12, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * He's back. Also, check the sitenotice there InspecterAbdel (talk) 16:23, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks... has reported this on Discord  channel, and I've linked to your diff. Do you want some help setting up a Title blacklist? I'm willing to be a local   on your wiki, but can't promise any contributions to the wiki. Think of me as a silent, local bureaucrat WikiGnome. Dmehus (talk) 16:27, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It's ok, I think we'll take care of the problem. I added a sitenotice for the bureaucrats who know how to protect the wiki InspecterAbdel (talk) 16:32, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, sounds good. ping me if you need assistance. Dmehus (talk) 16:34, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ by . Dmehus (talk) 16:33, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I found another group of sockpuppet, these are MrPlSS, and Autisticide666. They keep on coming back and makes fun of people who are autistic. These are suspected sockpuppets. I found on unfavorable wikis and users wiki. CircleyDoesExtracter  ( Circley Talk  |  Global   |  Email the Cloud ) 18:09, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , thanks for monitoring. These sockpuppets have been ✅ by . Dmehus (talk) 18:22, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Can you set up an abuse filter on UW&UW and FCRAFW? I don't want Mr.Autism is funny to raid it InspecterAbdel (talk) 18:28, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * You can just block him from editing or you can use this cond:

Oversighter request on scpwikimc.miraheze.org
I want oversight access on only [scpwikimc.miraheze.org This site] for these uses:

Obvious ones

 * To redact personal information
 * removal of standard copyright infringement
 * removal of explicit adult content
 * Suppress usernames which is unacceptable
 * Removal of personal attacks pointed towards normal admins and moderators(have the browse archive flag)

Not obvious ones

 * To hide blatant vandalism
 * To remove misunderstanding causing information which has proven ineffective with RevDel.
 * Removal of derivative work of content licensed under CC-**-ND-** X.X license. ( ND prohibits derivative work)

The reason for requesting is that I would like to speedily remove all information like that whenever I can see them, and not to wait another few days for the results to come out, since there might be articles like SCP-166 or SCP-053 and Montok-110 which I would like to closely monitor and speedily suppress problematic content since SCP-166 or others like it if miswritten or misstructured can constitute as extremely unacceptable content such as pornographic and extremely violent content which should be suppressed immediately. If the members of the community want a vetting oversighter I will post another request up here as well.

Comments
This site is based on an idea at bilibili and its editors sometimes make mistakes that may make mistakes that caused confusion and someone accused me of hosting a cult website (see the deleted 2 revisions of the main page), although these edits are not done by me. ThesenatorO5-2 (talk) at 01:00, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * With regard to the fourth reason for requesting Oversight, revisions do not need to be suppressed to maintain CreativeCommons copyright compliance. These can be revision deleted. Regardings the fifth reason, you can revision delete these, and link to the revisions in your request for oversight to stewards@undefinedmiraheze.org. Reason # 2 only requires revision deletion. The only real valid reason for requesting Oversight permissions on your wiki would be the first reason, but you haven't articulated a clear need to be able to do this yourself (that is, you can request oversighting by e-mailing stewards@undefinedmiraheze.org), so I'm going to go out (on not very much of a limb) and say this is likely to close as not done. Dmehus (talk) 01:40, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I also added some possible reasons. Things like SCP-166 may exist since my wiki is hosting derivative works of the SCP wiki hosted elsewhere, and CC-ND is prohibiting derivatives.
 * Thanks for adding the additional "reasons." I get, and like, that you are trying to help ensure rights-holders' rights are protected with respect to no derivative works, but I feel compelled to point out that, as long as you have done what you can by revision deleting rights' infringing content, you cannot possibly be held liable for any subsequent forks of that content over which you have no control. That becomes that rights-holder's responsibility, entirely, to decide whether, and to what extent, to protecting their content. If you wanted, you could add a template notice to all your pages on your wiki or even just a general disclaimer that your wiki isn't responsible for authorized or unauthorized forks of content that may have, at one time, be hosted on your wiki, but, as far as I'm aware, this is not specifically required. Dmehus (talk) 14:11, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I guess I better move an RfC on a proper local oversight/CheckUser granting policy further up the list. FWIW, unilateral granting won't be allowed. It'll need support equal to that to gain Steward. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  14:14, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Exactly that. I can see, potentially, the need for a local oversight (moreso than local CheckUser, though), but regardless of the number of "supports" or "opposes" one is given, there's got to be a clear need, and I'm not seeing it here. To what extent has even tried requesting oversight, linking to the revision deletions, by e-mailing the stewards? Based on my conversations with you and others, Miraheze is more liberal than Wikimedia when it comes to requests for revision suppression from either (a) the requesting individual or (b) the local wiki. Other than the obvious vandalism, most of those reasons are good reasons for oversighting, but  needs to realize that CheckUser and Oversight are two user rights that are not simply going to be granted on the basis of a wiki vote with little to no rationale. There's got to be a need, and that hasn't been demonstrated here. Plus, then there's the formality of any successful applicant having to file, confidentially, personal identity documents with Miraheze, and signing agreements related to non-disclosure and misuse. Dmehus (talk) 14:24, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * How to sign that document? ThesenatorO5-2 (talk) at 23:32, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It doesn't exist yet, as far as I'm aware, as there has never been a local Oversight user right grant. I was just speaking hypothetically with about what would need to happen in terms of any potential future non-steward local Oversight appointment. Firstly, though, we'd need to draft an RfC, put forward the RfC to the community, and have the RfC be implemented in consultation with Miraheze Staff (and, perhaps, the board). Even after all of that would be done, only then could we start drafting such documents and implementing this. More simply, this isn't likely to happen in less than, and probably more like six months. If you have revisions you want oversighted, e-mail them, in a list (you could attach them in a text file if you wanted), to , with your reason(s) for the suppression, and I'm sure stewards will action them accordingly. Dmehus (talk) 23:43, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Although you said that local CU and OS should have the trust of ST, I do not agree with that, since NO global effect is in. Also, what is the progress of that in-draft RfC? ThesenatorO5-2 (talk) at 09:28, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * CU is global impacting due to it giving access to PII by its nature but it's the guidance we've had that that's the level of support it must achieve in a local vote. The RfC is on my list of things to publish. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  10:41, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note that all problematic revisions and pages are deleted and related logs are deleted as well. ThesenatorO5-2 (talk) at 09:28, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Please delete these two wikis
esu.miraheze.org This wiki is just for personal attacks and privacy leaks. I am a native speaker of Chinese so I can understand them. My machine translation is just not working, but this wiki insults some famous people like the Ao Xiang in Bilibili, and also says that "They have no mom" "They should go f*ck themselves" Also, this wiki said that Wei Jiafu (the one which disclosed the YuZhang correctional center) as a "Liar" and should also "go f*** himself."

mini1.miraheze.org This wiki is also just for personal attacks. like in the "进站必看" page, it says that its sysops can "go fu*k your ******". Also, please lock this user: User:曦曦小公主. He/she is a confirmed impersonator and also harassed me on mini1.miraheze.org. He/she is blocked for 7 days there.

RfC references: Prohibits hateful wikis (Both broke this) ThesenatorO5-2 (talk) 09:13, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Lock General I80
Reason: He's been commiting heinous crimes such as whiteknighting Zenko, he's wishing users such as Kesner, Portrock1566, and Voltuse to get globalled because they blocked him for whiteknighting a bad user, will call anybody who blocks him an "SJW" and he cannot handle being blocked and calls it as being "unfair". He also made false allegations towards Voltuse, NeptunePerson2018, and others on the [Free Adminship Blacklist] including Masson Thief --Hookuai (talk) 02:42, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Specific diffs would be helpful. Also, what do you mean by the term "whiteknighting"? And finally, on which wiki(s) is this occurring, and will one or more local indefinite blocks suffice? Dmehus (talk) 03:35, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Basically, the term "whiteknighting" means blindly defending another user. There could be proof for his hostile behaviour: Special:Permalink/105724 and mh:commonsensewiki:User talk:Kesner --Hookuai (talk) 04:41, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification on what it is meant by "whiteknighting." I can see what you mean by the first referenced diff, but I would note that no steward or Global Sysop action was taken there. It was archived without action, which suggests they either (a) didn't see merit in his complaint or (b) it was unnoticed (which was less likely). I recall noticing it, but it contained no diffs and seemed like a local dispute. In terms of the second diff, that is unfortunate that General I80 locally blocked Kesner. For a wiki that seems to purport to advocate for free speech and welcome all viewpoints, with a name like "Common Sense Wiki," it's more than a bit ironic and disappointing. Nevertheless, as unfortunate as it is, and it does appear that the user is behaving in a childish fashion, I'm personally not seeing anything that rises to the level of warranting Global Sysop or steward involvement, but I'll nonetheless ping to take a second look. Hope this helps. If you would like my personal opinion, I personally think that all parties should agree to avoid each other's wikis and limit their interactions in communal wikis on which they each don't hold local   or   user rights. Dmehus (talk) 05:06, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I've found more people, including me getting blockes on Common Sense Wiki because of a rule that sas that if an admin blocks the user, they will be blocked proving how I80 is very childish and he can't handle being blocked. And when Reception123 blocked an IP address on the wiki, he unblocked her for 2 seconds. --Hookuai (talk) 16:29, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * This seems to be a two-way dispute, so I've yet to, and am indeed hesitant to, form an opinion either way. Throughout all of this, I noted that General I80 has not been notified of this global complaint against him. How come? Was that just an oversight? Since this dispute involves two parties, both parties should submit their statements and/or evidence, and then a steward can look into what the right approach to resolving this is. Dmehus (talk) 16:49, 3 August 2020 (UTC)