Requests for Comment/Icons and wordmarks

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Wordmark and Icons on Miraheze
Soon with the release of MediaWiki 1.36, more people will be using the "New Vector" design with the horizontal logo at the top. Currently, Meta and Commons do not have a version with a wordmark. In this RfC, I request your comment on which font we should be using on Meta (and maybe Miraheze Commons). &mdash;Lakelimbo (talk)&emsp; 21:04, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

=Font= The wordmark needs to have a font that is free and has no restrictions to use on the web. Unfortunately, a lot of good fonts are very restricted, and not all free fonts are permitted to use anywhere (including Arial, Segoe, Times New Roman, etc.).

Google Fonts is currently a good repository of free and (mostly) non-restrictive fonts. Roboto is the font I originally used but it seems that some people are not pleased by this. I suggest the following fonts, but you can include your own in the "Other (suggest a font)" section.

Roboto
Roboto is the font used by Google on Android, ChromeOS and some other services. It's simple, well designed and has multiple weights.



Support

 * 1)  also as a modern and friendly look, but prefer one of the lighter weight variants for this one. Dmehus (talk) 21:12, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1)  Per Lake, this is currently in use and it really hurts my eyes.  21:55, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Lake's not opposed this, so I'm not sure why you've said "per Lake"? Additonally, Lake did say this font has multiple weights and styles, which could be used. We're not set on any one particular weight, thickness, or style. Dmehus (talk) 21:56, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * It's obvious enough that I was citing Lake's message here. 22:16, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks. I hadn't seen any responses via Discord and also because not everyone here uses Discord, so was just going by what has been said on-wiki. Dmehus (talk) 22:21, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , I don't like Google, I preferred macOS Garmond of SF font instead. SecretSpyer (talk) 22:02, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 1)  I don't know, I'm just not really feeling this one. It's got that modern feel, but it just doesn't seem like it would go well as a logo wordmark. Turtle84375 (talk) 22:06, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Though, if I had to pick this, a thinner version of this font would be my choice. Turtle84375 (talk) 22:06, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 1)  This isn't a good font. It is great for simple text, but for something more important, go with something else. --Integer  talk 00:05, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Montserrat
Montserrat is a font widely used as a header typeface. It's beautiful, slightly longer and also has multiple weights.

Support

 * 1)  Looks fine and dandy to me. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 21:14, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  if Playfair isn't selected.  21:53, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1)  I don't really like the extra letter spacing, it makes it seem too wide, IMO. Turtle84375 (talk) 21:57, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  per Turtle84375, as the design of the font is otherwise nice, but I do not like the extra spacing the letters. Dmehus (talk) 22:01, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

PT Sans
PT Sans is a popular font, mostly used for body-text. Sans serif but it has some characteristic curves.

Support

 * 1)  I suppose these could be useful, like how Void has custom designed fonts for his signature. (I don't suppose it could be of any sort of value like this one.) -- DarkMatterMan4500  Talk to me Contribs 21:25, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  It is pretty but I like Playfair more.  21:58, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 3)  as a third preference, provided the Regular 400 weight is used, preferably with a slight bolding (if possible), and per above. Dmehus (talk) 22:02, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Neutral

 * 1)  Eh, there are better fonts. If we had to, this would work, but I don't think I have any strong opinions about this one. Turtle84375 (talk) 22:08, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Playfair
Playfair is a serif font, similar to Times New Roman. The italic version is considerably different from the normal one.

Support

 * 1)   21:51, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1)  as it's a serif font, and I'm not a fan of serif fonts for logos. Dmehus (talk) 21:27, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  with a comment to add: While I like all the font choices, it should be worth noting that there are areas of improvement that should be added to make them stand out from your ordinary-generic word fonts you see on Microsoft Word or Office. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 21:31, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 3)  per above comment by DarkMatterMan4500. Turtle84375 (talk) 22:00, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Ubuntu
Ubuntu, as the name says, it's the font used on headers on Ubuntu.

Support

 * 1)  This one looks nice, has a modern and friendly look, and doesn't have too thick of a typeface to the letters. Dmehus (talk) 21:09, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  I think it has a nice flow to it, in terms of stylistic curve. Turtle84375 (talk) 21:54, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1)  It's ugly.  22:02, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , could you maybe explain why, in your own words, think it's ugly? DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 23:46, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Other (suggest a font)
If you did not like any of the fonts mentioned and/or think other font will be better, suggest here.

Suggestions

 * Oh, here are a few suggestions all right. Examples are: Times New Roman, Impact, and even Constantia. An odd pair of choices, I'll bet. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 21:37, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) *Unfortunately, Times New Roman is a restricted font, as I think the top of the page notes. Turtle84375 (talk) 21:50, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 2) *As Turtle84375 said, Times New Roman is copyrighted. Technically speaking, when you buy a copy of Windows or Office you acquire a license to use a set of fonts for specific circumstances. For instance, Segoe is allowed to be used on any type of document, commercial or not, but not on websites (directly uploaded instead of using the browser's default font) or branding. Microsoft (or the author) won't probably bother searching for people using their font without a proper license, but still technically not legal. &mdash;Lakelimbo (talk)&emsp; 22:12, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 3) Someone made a logo with a wordmark: https://crappygames.miraheze.org/wiki/Blog:Does_anyone_like_the_%22modern%22_Miraheze_wordmark_that_I_have_made%3F. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 21:52, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 4) *What font is being used there? 22:06, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 5) **R4356th The creator of that logo claims it is something called Globo Brand, for which I found this link here. Dmehus (talk) 22:09, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 6) ***Thanks, it looks pretty good to me. 22:24, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 7) ****Yeah, same, I wouldn't mind this font as well...just not sure what license it's licensed under. Perhaps DefyTheRush knows and can comment on that and point us to the license terms. Dmehus (talk) 22:26, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 8) *****I'm not sure it is “licensed”, I think it is their own work. Maybe talk to the creator about it. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 23:27, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 9) SF font or NewYork. The SF font is a font developed by Apple and is widely used in many commercial and open-source software. The font is open-source, flows straight, and is easy to read. SecretSpyer (talk) 22:08, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 10) * AFAIK, SF is in the same status of Segoe: allowed to be used only in specific circumstances (unless you buy a license), such as mockups, but not branding. &mdash;Lakelimbo (talk)&emsp; 22:19, 7 May 2021 (UTC)