Meta:Requests for permissions

Matttest (Wiki creator)

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 * Per the concerns stated. I will continue to contribute as a volunteer to Meta-Wiki, and will seek community consensus to re-apply at a later time. Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 08:48, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Group: Wiki creator Reason: Greetings, I am Matttest. As the miraheze community is growing faster, there are increasing wiki requests per day in Special:RequestWikiQueue. In view of this, I'm making this request to let new wiki requests to be reviewed quicker, of the premise that I believe I already have enough knowledge of the Content Policy and other relevant policies to access wiki requests in a good manner. Additionally, following the resignation of Msnhinet8, there are no wiki creators that have basic understanding of Chinese, which to me is a problem. Usually, machine translation are used for these requests but obviously it is not good for a clear communication between the requester and the wiki creator. However, I am confident in handling the Chinese wiki requests as a native speaker of Chinese, which will be very useful in handling these requests. Finally, I believe that more wiki creators can make a better judgement on wiki requests. Thanks for your consideration and I am looking forward for any questions or concerns. Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 10:51, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Questions for candidate

 * 1) Hi ! A few questions pertaining to the right of  :
 * a) I’m requesting a wiki relating to Disney, and my requesting rationale is “A wiki about Disney.” Do you approve, decline, or hold the request for elaboration?
 * b) A user has requested a wiki about Nazism. The requesting rationale is “I want to create a wiki about the historical aspects of Nazism and how they are still alive in today’s world through racism and homophobia.” Do you accept, decline, or hold the request for elaboration?
 * c) A user is requesting a wiki to trash people. “I want a wiki to complain about people that I don’t like.” Do you accept, decline, or hold the request for elaboration? Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 15:54, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * a) Decline and request for a more detailed description. The description is too broad and suggests nothing more than the wiki name.
 * b) It will be a bit tricky in this part, since it is not only contains the historical content of the party, but I will ask the requester and receive acknowledgement from the requester that there should be no propagation of the illegal ideas of the party. I may also consult opinions of other wiki creators.
 * c) Decline as the Content Policy notes “Miraheze does not host wikis with the sole purpose to spread unsubstantiated insult, hate or rumours against a person or group of people”.Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 03:17, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * All three are correct, . One final question. A wiki request has been put in as “greatmovies.miraheze.org” and with the description “A wiki about great movies.” So you accept, decline, or hold the request for elaboration? Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 04:46, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Decline as a potential overlap of Greatest Movies Wiki which the Content Policy prohibits from forking another wiki. It also lacks a detailed description, which increases the probability of overlapping. This is similar to request another TestWiki which are always declined. -Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 04:53, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I’ll consult with some users and will get back to this RfP shortly. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 04:56, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Discussion
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.


 * . While I believe this request was made in good-faith, I have encountered a few issues with the user’s judgement. I plan on adding questions to the request and seeing how that goes, but for now, it’s a weak oppose from me. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 13:53, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It will be great if you can state which issues you have encountered with me. Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 14:14, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It’s nothing major honestly, otherwise it wouldn’t be a weak oppose. Just 2-3 minor issues relating to conventions, but honestly everyone makes those mistakes. See the questions section. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 15:47, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Your reasons for opposing are still unclear and I think it would be useful if you could provide more details which could also inform other users' votes. DeeM28 (talk) 13:06, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes I’m aware. Have been trying to decide over the past 12 hours what to vote. Will update now. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 15:01, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) . I thought about this for a while, and reached the decision to oppose this request. Matttest answered 3 of 4 questions to my satisfaction, but I was messaged by another user last night (whom I had an extended chat with) about Matttest’s recent behavior, specifically on the  . That conversation raised flags with me, as no matter the position, Miraheze volunteers are expected to adhere to the Code of Conduct above all others. If a user cannot adhere to the code of conduct to a high level, I do not believe they are yet ready to be a volunteer on this service. That is the sole reason I am opposing this request. I invite Matttest to work to rectify his behavior on said wikis, and re-apply in 30-60 days. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 15:09, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I will admit, that my some of my comments at unbookswiki may have shown issues, but I believe that this won’t affect my position as a wiki creator. To commence with, I will like to start with my weakest argument and my self-defense on the issues shown in unbookswiki - I haven’t shown any behavioral issues with others in other wikis, except the complicated unbookswiki dispute. I have always be kind in accordance with the Code of Conduct, and the unbookswiki dispute is really, being more and more complicated over time. After I have been more active in Meta-Wiki in the recent months and engaged I the miraheze community, you can see that my behaviors are strongly improved when handling the unbooks dispute. I will also promise that will be settled better in the near future. Frankly, I didn’t meant to accuse other users with words like “shameless lie”, but the user who I am arguing with called 黑底屍 seems to consistently not to listen and evading all my arguments. This is similar to the issue shown in User talk:Raidarr, which 黑底屍 keep failing to understand that his request for reopening wikis is malformed and his wiki request violated the Content Policy, even being explained by Raidarr numerous times. I understand that this doesn’t mean that I should be unkind, but I would like to brought this up for consideration. Aside from that, I would like to note that if a wiki creator is kind and show respectful and follow the Content Policy when handling wiki request, he/she will be a good creator - that’s the sole consideration for wiki creators. When processing requests, I believe I will be kind and respectful to the requester, and this is certainly proved when I am helping the users in CN and sometimes, SN. As for the content policy understanding, I believe I fulfill the requirement, by replies to the question above. Moreover, with the addition of me as a wiki creator, I will be able to handle Chinese wiki requests without machine translation. Finally, when handling wiki requests, especially when it is requested by users who have disputes with me before, I will leave it for another wiki creator for review to make the judgement more accurate. This will be same with other disputed wiki requests. I hope this explains. Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 11:31, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi . While I understand and acknowledge your response, my concerns remain regarding civil discussion and interactions. Dross explained these concerns well. While you have not be anything outright to be rude, you haven’t shown the temperament for a wiki creator quite yet. I recommend re-applying in 30 to 60 days. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 01:59, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Nutshell of previous response: (I would like to note that my behaviors about the unbooks dispute have improved a lot after I started to be active at Meta-Wiki. On the other hand, handling wiki requests is not like handling disputes, which I believe I have shown no conduct issues if consider the “helping and handling requests” part, not to mention that the unbooks dispute is more than complicated than other disputes. This is proved when I am helping users in the noticeboards that are mostly satisfied. That’s why I believe I can be a good wiki creator to help with wiki requests.)
 * I quoted the nutshell of my previous response since I believe my texts above are a bit of TLDR, and also for you to get the main arguments from my stance. For your suggestions, I can say that there is not much thing that I can do at this moment at all, given that the user who have disputes with me have de facto stopped any arguments to my talk page, and also my behaviors have improved as of the start of June. Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 07:27, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 1)  I find no issues with the user. Matttest has proven to be very helpful, and I have no concerns with the user policy-wise. --  Bukkit  [ cetacean needed ] 15:42, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 2)  Per Bukkit. AlPaD (talk) 08:19, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 3)  The question that arises in this request is whether the sole focus of a wiki creator election should be the candidate's ability to apply the Content Policy or whether their general behavior is also relevant to this position. The response seems to be clearly that behavior also matters as the newly passed RfC allows for removal for Code of Conduct violations. In terms of the former the responses given by Mattest to the questions asked are satisfactory to me and there otherwise seem to be no issues that would indicate to me that Mattest would not be able to interpret the Content Policy. In terms of behavior Mattest's behavior is not perfect and note that in one response he called out a user and accused them of a "shameless lie" and has attracted an amount of controversy over the handling of the dispute over the unbooks wiki. There are arguments in favour of Mattest being elected but I am still somewhat uncomfortable with the controversy surrounding unbooks wiki and whether this would affect his judgment in future wiki requests. For the meantime, I have decided for now to neither support nor oppose this request. If new evidence (or a satisfactory reply) is presented either way I may consider changing my vote to oppose or support depending on the circumstances. --DeeM28 (talk) 13:04, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, please see oppose#1 for the reply. Thanks. Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 11:31, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 1)  Unbooks is a difficult issue that reflects as poorly on Stewardship (including myself) as it does any of its participants and I've been deferring it until I get official fire support with the two pending RfS's. Its negative impact should be taken in context. Judgement wise I might be concerned if this was a larger position but for what it I am not concerned. However I'd like to come up with a couple scenarios first, which have been relevant recently and cover important ground. I'll hopefully get them out within a few days, in the meantime letting this remain open to address the concerns present. --Raidarr (talk) 12:12, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 2)  As a responsibility which requires frequent user interaction, especially on noticeboards and discussion pages, a WC must clearly display a respectful and effective interpersonal attitude toward other users. While Matttest certainly does not display outright hostility or flagrance toward the community, it has been a somewhat lengthy journey to observe this user's development toward compliance with our community standards and expectations. I believe this user is not quite there yet. I advise nomination at a later time.  dross  (t • c • g) 20:44, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, while I respect your opinion, please consider my reply at oppose#1 (from “Nutshell of previous response” to “improved as of the start of June”). Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 07:30, 8 July 2022 (UTC)


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HeyTürkiye (Wiki creator)

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 * Closed as per this diff by the candidate. Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 09:53, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Group: Wiki creator Reason: As you know, Miraheze is a wiki farm that grows every day. As far as I looked, I noticed that the approval process of wikis is approved after 1 day or 2 days. I made this application to speed things up/provide better service. If necessary, if users ask questions, I will be happy to answer them, if you have any questions, I am waiting here.  Hey Türkiye  message? 07:58, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Discussion
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 * 1) . This user is quite active on his own wikis, but he has a total of 9 edits on Meta, 2 of them being to form this request. Personally, at this time I don’t feel the user is active enough in global and community discussions to request this permission. I invite the user to participate more in the community and its discussions, and re-request in 30-60 days.  Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 08:16, 11 July 2022 (UTC)


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Startus (Wiki creator)
Group: Wiki creator Reason: Hello. I am Startus, formerly known as Mazzaz and Magogre. I have been on the Miraheze since the June last year and have previously served as a wiki creator. Unfortunately, due to real life reasons, I had to resign my rights. Now, I would like to request the wikicreator right so as to help in reviewing the wiki requests again. I have disclosed all my other accounts in my previous request and they're also listed on my loginwiki user page, in case you want to know. I have a fair understanding of the Miraheze policies especially the Content policy. Thanks! Startus (talk) 09:50, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Discussion
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 * 1)  Having looked at the past wiki creation by this user, I believe the candidate have demonstrated a sufficient understanding of the Content Policy when creating wikis. I am therefore supporting this request. Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 10:53, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 2)  Per Matttest --  Bukkit  [ cetacean needed ] 14:45, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 3)  User has been exceptionally helpful as a   and , so I have no doubt this permission will be extremely beneficial to both Startus and Miraheze. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 22:21, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 4)  Very active previously, with good process and rationale in wiki requests. Welcome back!  dross  (t • c • g) 22:15, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Zcook1052 (Administrator)

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 * Closing per User close policy. Zcook1052, you are encouraged to contribute more to Miraheze Meta before requesting permissions. Administrator is a very very big responsibility and before many get here, administrators at one point were first autopatrolled, then patrollers, translation administrators, rollbackers, and helped the community out in many ways. If you want to help the community, check out Contributing and in the future, perhaps you'll reach administrator and higher. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 16:57, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Group: Administrator Reason: I would like to help Miraheze and help users here on Meta, I can handle a converation with users in English.

Discussion
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.


 * 1) While you have a decent amount of contributions, I would say to keep contributing for a bit as you haven't been as active on meta recently. ZeusDeeGoose (talk) 20:15, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * 2) Same opinion.Maybe,you don't have making edits to become administrator here. by Buel ·Talk·Wikimail 00:00, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * 3)   You are inactive and only have about 63 edits. I recommend going back to edit more and help users on noticeboards, and then redo the request as it has made good edits. Greetings. —  Pixial  [Talk] 13:31, 10 August 2022 (UTC)


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Matttest (Wiki creator) (2)
Group: Wiki creator Reason: Greetings, I am Matttest. I am requesting the wiki creator right as the same rationale as last time, when the request was withdrawn because some users stated that (i) when processing with requests, my decision may be affected by the previous disputes (specifically the unbooks’ dispute) I am involved in; (ii) wiki creator needs to adhere code of conduct at a high level, in which I am not quite yet towards the community standard and expectations. I believe the situation have changed - I have been fairly active as a volunteer at the noticeboards, and I have been more calm, no matter during discussions or helping users as of the time being. -Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 09:39, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Questions for candidate

 * 1) Re-attempt of ’s fourth question for my last request: “A wiki request has been put in as “greatmovies.miraheze.org” and with the description “A wiki about great movies.” So you accept, decline, or hold the request for elaboration?”
 * It depends, but most likely I will accept the request with an “okay request” message. I may decline the request if the user who requests the wiki is previously involved in disputes which have not yet been resolved on similar wikis, particularly the Greatest Movies Wiki. -Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 09:43, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Discussion
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.


 * 1) Per recent events. --  Bukkit  [ cetacean needed ] 20:33, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @: While I respect your opinion, the rationale in the vote is quite vague. If you mean the unbooks' dispute to be the "recent event", then I would like to point out that the dispute have already been resting starting from May 2022, at the time when I had been engaging more in Meta-Wiki. Just as I pointed out - I believe the situation have changed. If you mean the "recent event" to be other incidents, I would like a clarification for me (to respond) as well as the community to decide what to vote. Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 01:45, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that was extremely vague. What I meant was the testwiki.wiki incident in which you (assuming so) created impersonation-only accounts. I won't get too in-depth but this makes me not have as much trust compared to the prior WC request. -- Cheers, Bukkit(Public) ( Talk • Contribs ) 02:51, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * (TL;DR: I believe assumes makes not much weight when explaining the vote.)
 * Thanks for the clarification. I have already be knowing this incident for some time, but I wasn't supposed to make my statement regarding this. I believe this is something outside the miraheze platform (it is neither a software that is related to miraheze, i.e. phabricator), so (i) the only similar thing between me and that account is the username (no other signs show that I am that account), which can be easily created by another user; that's why it makes no sense to point this against me; (ii) it won't affect my position as a wiki creator on miraheze. Though, since you comment on it, I think I will make my statement here. The account blocked is not Matttest here on miraheze. The impersonarion should also not be a surprise, especially when I am involved in some conflicts in miraheze. Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 05:42, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) I'm sure he has lots of knowledge more than various users.He'll make nice edits if he become wiki creator. by Buel ·Talk·Wikimail 23:01, 21 August 2022 (UTC) fix. by Buel ·Talk·Wikimail 23:02, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * 2)  per Bukkit