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We need a way to report wikis and users
Until now, I didn't realize that the only obstacle to Miraheze's success was that you still need to request wikis. Even though the process is almost automatic, thanks to the CreateWiki extension, wikis still have to be approved. That all changed when I ran into difficulties requesting a wiki because it was assumed to be a duplicate. That's when I realized something. Fandom, the most popular wikifarm, has fully automatic wiki creation, but also a way to report wikis that violate their policies. If Miraheze had a way to report policy-violating wikis, it would solve the biggest problem of automatic wiki creation: the potential for policy-violating wikis to be created. There is a wiki for the Counter-Vandalism Team, at cvt.miraheze.org, but the only problem is that it's private. We need a page for user to report policy-violating wikis. It's not hard to setup. I believe it will help the growth and moderation of Miraheze. Tali64³ (talk) 23:21, 13 October 2021 (UTC)


 * The page is called the Stewards' noticeboard where you may bring violating wikis and even users to steward attention. Reports may also be done via talk page to the appropriate users and with even more discretion, via discord or IRC to appropriate users. Splitting off the process further is not necessary. --Raidarr (talk) 23:55, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * But what would it be like to report wikis? Within the wiki itself? That wouldn't be a good idea if that was it. Yellowass.png (talk) 00:29, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
 * cvt.miraheze.org is a private wiki meant for members of the global Counter Vandalism Team. To report problematic users and wikis, users are encouraged to report it at Stewards' noticeboard or on Discord/IRC on our CVT channel. That being said, one of my goals is to create better documentation which describes how to report vandalism and issues. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 00:36, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Raidarr is correct. Wikis and users can be reported to Stewards for violations of various global policies or if there is other evidence of abuse. Please ensure your reports are both concise, but also sufficiently detailed and supported by evidence (i.e., diffs). Dmehus (talk) 03:17, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Broken chart
The sysadmins chart in Tech:Timelines is broken 02:15, 14 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Fixed with a bit of wikitext wizardry. -- Void  Whispers 01:46, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok! :D Anpang

Talk 12:24, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Wiki.
i only get one more chance at creating a wiki, per Dmehus (Doug). What is a good topic? Thanks. SperosDurrell (talk) 16:16, 14 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I think you should save the only chance for later, but I'm too late now oops you already requested a wiki but it's already declined by Agent so ok. Anpang   Talk  00:39, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * i resubmitted it. SperosDurrell (talk) 01:11, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You have to know the topic of your wiki, what you are going to post, edit, and so on. Yellowass.png (talk) 01:19, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * i know. SperosDurrell (talk) 01:44, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * ty 4 checking it out. SperosDurrell (talk) 01:45, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Scribunto isn't in the extension list
In the extension list, there's no scribunto, just capiunto. Just trying to import the infobox template 05:27, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I have infobox on the wiki where I manage. Does not need Scrinbunto, or Scrinbunto is installed automatically. You need to put MediaWiki:Common.css and MediaWiki:Common.js on your wiki and modules like : Module:Yesno and Module:Infobox and so on. Yellowass.png (talk) 20:37, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah ok, thanks. Anpang   Talk  01:07, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Interwiki table
I would like to request to add the prefix 'w', the url https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/$1, forward = yes, and transclude = yes to the interwiki table of XComhghall Wiki. Thank you very much. — XComhghall (talk) 20:16, 16 October 2021 (UTC)


 * XComhghall, ✅ per your request. Note that  now overrides the global configuration for the prefix, but you could request   be added as an interlanguage prefix for , if you wished, so you could still use   on your wiki. Dmehus (talk) 22:29, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Excuse me. So how does an interlanguage prefix work?  or just  ? Thank you! — XComhghall (talk) 22:57, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * XComhghall, I believe you can use, but likely will run into issues in terms of determining which interwiki prefix it's for. So, for that reason, I strongly recommend using the former. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 23:54, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! I think I am fine for now. I may add an interwiki prefix of  to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/$1 in the future. — XComhghall (talk) 00:47, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * No problem. :) Dmehus (talk) 15:36, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

How to make interlink.
I want to make interlink for Japanese wikipedia. But I do not know to make interlink. If you know that.I want to your teach. Thank you to reading. Key-Power (talk) 13:24, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , ask any of the Interwiki administrators on Discord or just make the request here. Request in the format:
 * Wiki URL:
 * Requested prefix:
 * Transclude:
 * Forward:
 * Courtesy pings to and . --Magogre (talk)  13:37, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Did you mean link to Japanese Wikipedia? You should use this to link to this Wikipedia: " Example " YellowFrogger (✉ Talk  ✐ Edits ) 23:31, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Limpar Wiki
Eu gostaria de limpar toda wiki https://wikian.miraheze.org/wiki/ para que eu possa recomeçar do zero pois está tudo bugado e muitos erros estão sendo apresentados. Genuino467 (talk) 13:57, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Configuring Page Forms
I recently created an new sister wiki, called "Lớp học Mật Ngữ: Fanon Wiki" and I'm configuring Page Forms for Fanfiction Maker. I got some success while making it, but I still need some helps from you guys.

Here's things I need help: Pisces (talk) 05:44, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) How could I binding values of the checkboxes and tokens into an category?
 * 2) How could I exactly adding values into templates while doing the form?

Adding prefixes for interwiki (lhmnfanonwiki, lhmnwiki and brawlstarsviwiki)
While waiting for my Interwiki Administrator request, I did got some prefixes need to be changed or added on my wikis.

Effected wikis: lhmnfanonwiki, lhmnwiki and brawlstarsviwiki

into all of the wikis above (with Forwarding, not Transclusion). Thanks for the helps, Pisces (talk) 15:25, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) Delete wwtbamvn, lophocmatngu, brawlstarsvn from lhmnwiki and brawlstarsviwiki
 * 2) Adding:
 * lhmn -> lhmn.miraheze.org
 * bsvn -> brawlstarsvi.miraheze.org
 * fanon -> lhmnfanon.miraheze.org


 * This is ✅ at this time. Check the logs for the different wikis. Kind regards. Ugochimobi (talk) 22:44, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Problem with Slideshow
Hello, so here it is, I have a problem with Slideshow. I would like it to appear to the right of my text, so it appears on, as you can see here: https://personnages.miraheze.org/wiki/Blaze_the_Cat#Pouvoirs_et_capacit%C3%A9s Can you help me? Thanks in advance. Darkrai18 (talk) 20:18, 21 October 2021 (UTC)


 * The slideshow is unable to be fixed even when I add the |right| on the since the slideshow only appears to the right of the text for a while and then switched back to the left after I refresh the page. So I replace the slideshow with the image. SchizoACC (talk) 16:24, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * It was nice of you to try. I will add though that it is possible to do it, look here: https://wiki.comakingspace.de/Main_Page/Slideshow Darkrai18 (talk) 16:27, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

criminals wiki.
criminals please join!!! SperosDurrell (talk) 21:56, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Does miraheze have a storage space limit?
Is there any limit to the number of pages in a wiki, its storage space or the number of uploaded files? WilliamGreenferry (talk) 10:17, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * No, Miraheze does not currently have any sort of exact storage limit in terms of what wikis can upload. That being said, our resources are of course finite so that is something to keep in mind. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 11:29, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Request for feedback on disabling Citoid and Collection

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion. Please do not modify it.
 * After a full week of this thread being opened, it appears that no one has raised any objections to Collection being removed thus it appears that there is no opposition to SRE to remove Collection. As for Citoid, one of the strongest arguments in opposition to this raised concerns about the possibility of future use of the extension saying that it would not be fair for those who may want to use Miraheze in the future. A few alternatives were demonstrated to the user by SRE which do similar jobs. Additionally, concern was raised in regards to the statistics displayed by SRE to demonstrate that Citoid is not used very much. The statistics were called by at least 2 users to be lacking however, due to limitations, the maximum amount of available statistics of 13 days were released to the community for usage statistics. One other user raised a serious concern saying that they were worried about it being removed but later clarified on Discord that they confused it for the Cite extension. The only other comment on this thread said that it was a cool extension. No further objection was raised on Discord or any other platform even after a mass ping on Discord and a thread being made too to address any concern. Some users on Discord signaled that they found it ok to remove it and as it appears that more are in favor of removal than against. After carefully weighing the singular strong oppose versus the general lack of opposition, and the support that was given to this, it appears that there is no strong opposition to removing Citoid and Collection and that SRE may remove it.  Agent Isai  Talk to me! 20:07, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello Miraheze community,

SRE is soliciting your feedback on the disabling of the Citoid and Collection extensions. The main issue with them is that they require 2 extra servers just for them to host RESTBase. After reviewing usage data, it was found that less than 10 users a day use both of these extensions combined out of the thousands of active daily Miraheze users. In fact, since 00:00UTC of today, 16 October, only 1 user has used Citoid and no one has used Collection. By disabling these 2 extensions, we would be able to better use those now freed up resources by repurposing them and using them in other areas (perhaps another MediaWiki server to decrease loading time, etc.).

For the reasons outlined above, SRE wishes to know what you think about disabling Citoid and Collection. We desire to know what users (especially those who use the extension on their wiki) think about the proposed change. Please let us know about any concern you have about this proposed change. This is not a vote! While you may let us know if you support or oppose this change, please do not convert this into a full-blown vote and use the Support/Oppose templates. Thank you! Agent Isai Talk to me! 19:11, 16 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Citoid is cool and I use it on the wiki where I manage (or used). You would just put a business on EditorVisual to name sites (and even give an example). Wikipedia also uses this extension. If you spend resources on the server, and I use little, then it won't be much needed for me YellowFrogger (✉ Talk  ✐ Edits </b>)</b> 19:29, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The cite tool in VisualEditor will not go. Just automatic citations from URLs and ISBNs. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  21:38, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hrm? How's that? Quite a few wikis use that feature, as far as I'm aware. Cyberpower678 operates an InternetArchiveBot, as I recall, that does just that thing. Not sure how often it runs, or if it runs more frequently on only a few wikis, but they should be consulted here, together with those local wiki communities. (This is in regards to Citoid. The Collection extension is probably not as widely used anymore in terms of its ability to create PDF books of wikis, but the fact it too shows as apparently under-utilized because its very nature suggests it does not need to be run that frequently.) As well, I also question the argument for removing extensions which are so infrequently used. If they're so infrequently used, they shouldn't be using too many resources. My concern here is that we might be trying to replace one apparent resource hog, RESTbase, with another resource hog, ElasticSearch, with little discernible benefit. Dmehus (talk) 00:00, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Cyberpower678 has a bot that does stuff with Citations. It does not use Citoid in any way which is a service to automatically generate them from a URL or ISBN. These extensions are behind the services system & restbase so requires 2 VMs to run everything that need resources allocated to them. If there was usage and people indicated they needed it, I'd do everything I can to consider if it's worth it. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  07:38, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You've identified a very compelling potential use case, of which I was not aware. I had thought Citoid was a completely behind-the-scenes extension; I did not realize it was directly interfacing with end users in terms of semi-automated lookups of bibliographic or publication details. This is definitely something I'd be very interested in for a future wiki; no idea why we're only looking at existing wikis. I have no issues with reallocating system resources, but surely we can find a bunch of our unused extensions to remove in order to save this one. Dmehus (talk) 15:35, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The main trick here is that I don't believe other extensions generally require dedicated server space to use (SRE can correct me if I'm wrong), resulting in a unique draw from these extensions that removing any number of very small but mundane and mostly unused extensions would not match. But in all I think cutting to one server and seeing how it works would be a good thing to try if practical. --Raidarr (talk) 18:21, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I get the rationale, but I'm not convinced of either the need nor its likelihood to be effective. I don't think SRE has articulated a clear case for what they're trying to achieve here. I would also note that John has let me know that this has not been initiated by the SRE Infrastructure team as part of a larger infrastructure needs assessment, so I'm just struggling to see what the benefit would be here in order to weigh it against the costs (and not just on recent use, but likely use that is core to Miraheze's mission). It strikes me that someone wanting to create a bibliographic database wiki, relying on semi-automated data entry population tools like Citoid would be core to Miraheze's mission. Dmehus (talk) 18:39, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:CITEGENERATORS has various tools that can be used. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  21:30, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * A lot of those are based on, or use the, Citoid, extension. I'd rather see some other alternatives explored, which could including consolidating the two RESTbase VMs into one, or making some other modifications to its allocated resources. These are just a couple ideas, but I'm not really convinced here this is the only option. For example, look recently with the related ReplaceText extension, SRE was able to enable database compression on all wikis, on all but the current revision, to wiki pages, and this allowed the ReplaceText extension to still be used. I see a lot more potential use cases to Citoid than I do ReplaceText, as ReplaceText has an alternative extension in MassEditRegex&mdash;and we kept ReplaceText. Dmehus (talk) 21:40, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Only 2 on there use Citoid. I'm seeing a lot of pushback but very little examples of actual use. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  07:03, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not satisfied with the articulated rationale for removing/disabling the Citoid extension in particular, or the potential impacts on other extensions. I'm not familiar with the other extension, so have no comment there, but I also question the data used to propose remove the Citoid extension. I'm also not really satisfied that other avenues to free up server resources were explored. Why does it seem to default to a keep/remove this or that extension? Dmehus (talk) 19:33, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * To the best of my knowledge, the data was collected by analyzing nginx logs and also usage logs on services3 and services4 (the 2 servers provisioned to host RESTBase on). Something that prompted this conversation was the issue we faced with some automatic processes not being done, one of which was the automatic updating a configuration file that enabled/disabled RESTBase on the wikis. During the time that the configuration was not being updated, thre was not a single user complaint in regards to this which led us to look into usage data on these extensions and caused us to find that they have very low usage. The reason it may seem that in this case it boils down to "remove this or that" is that these extensions require their own dedicated servers. If they didn't, then we'd have no issue with these extensions but they do and their usage doesn't justify the need for 2 extra servers which do nearly nothing other than serving a few requests per day (if any). Agent Isai  Talk to me! 20:15, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * It's not default. It's come to our attention that the usage is virtually none. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  21:11, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd find no real use but real resource consumption to be a pretty simple equation, honestly. It sounds almost practical for SRE to find and directly poke the ones who do use it personally. Other avenues for resource saving I'm sure can be/have been explored, but essentially unused features can surely be one of them in the meantime. --Raidarr (talk) 22:17, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * as the only user in the about 14 hour period of logs we checked today that wasn't broken JS imported from Wikipedia that doesn't actually work or me. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  22:21, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * honestly, I only use this when i'm on mobile - it's a good extension, and I like it, and would be more in favour of allocating fewer resources than getting rid of it entirely, however I still have to do a lot of editing to get citations the way I want. is there a planned replacement/known similar extension that does this? or will all citations have to be manually done after this? Amazingakita (talk) 16:19, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, There's some tools linked at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:CITEGENERATORS that you may want to evaluate for usefulness. Please let us know what you expect and how you use Citoid (That's the automatic tab only) so we can work on advising you best. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  16:22, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Not satisfied. Citoid seems extremely helpful to communities. I, personally, don't use it on my wiki, but sometimes on other users wiki. Bongo Cat (talk) 23:26, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Could you note some of these communities? --Raidarr (talk) 00:15, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, I've asked Cyberpower678, who operates the InternetArchiveBot, to provide input here, which will likely identify some of those communities. Dmehus (talk) 00:19, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * As raidarr said, can you please name them? We're not seeing usage of it. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  07:39, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I have been asked about the 14 hour data collection period. As such, I will provide usage stats for as long as we retain them for... over a 13 day period the follow are HTTP code results:
 * 200: 150
 * 400: 9
 * 404: 440,832
 * 502: 8
 * This averages out to 11 successful usages per day and ~34,000 unsuccessful usages per day. John (talk) 14:29, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * We have now disabled collection. We're allowing more time for feedback regarding Citoid. Unfortunately, unless we see an actual use case, we would still rather see it removed until a future use case arrives, the services system is fully puppetised so would be fairly easy to restore to our mediawiki cluster if it had use. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  07:05, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * ''The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it.

Looking for documentation for the "Whitelist Read ($wmgWhitelistRead)" setting
I am considering setting a small number of pages on a private wiki to be pages anyone may view. I see the setting "Whitelist Read ($wmgWhitelistRead)" on the Permissions tab of "Manage this wiki's additional settings" that appears to be what I want... but I don't see any documentation on how to list the pages.

Is this a field that I have to enter pages into one at a time, or do I enter a string listing multiple pages? If the latter, what is the syntax and maximum length of the string?

Can I list files to be displayed on the pages that I want to make public? If yes, do I specify them as "file:foo.jpg", "media:foo.jpg", or "foo.jpg", or something else?

What is the maximum number of entries that I can add to this field? Robkelk (talk) 23:42, 25 October 2021 (UTC)


 * You should get a dropdown with a list of pages according to our config. You can insert as many as you like. The limit will be as much as can fit in the DB without running out of room in the settings column which is a very big number. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  07:57, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Interwiki table
I would like to request to in the interwiki table of XComhghall Wiki. Thank you very much. — XComhghall (talk) 15:23, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Set  of the prefixes   and   to  ,
 * Add the prefixes  and   to , and
 * Add the prefix  to


 * This is ✅ at this time Ugochimobi (talk) 20:32, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Could you please
 * Add the prefix  to , and
 * Add the prefix  to  ?
 * Thank you very much. — XComhghall (talk) 19:36, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Reference Tooltips, EditTop Gadgets, Wikiplus
I would like to add the Reference Tooltips and EditTop gadgets to my wiki, XComhghall Wiki. But Reference Tooltips requires the dependencies mediawiki.cookie and jquery.client, and MW: Extension: Gadgets. And EditTop requires the dependencies user.options and mediawiki.util. What can I do? Could you please help me?

Regarding Wikiplus, here is a previous conversation on the community noticeboard: https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Community_noticeboard&oldid=208443#EditTop_Gadget,_and_Wikiplus.

Wikiplus is working fine on Wikipedia. I just imported it to my global.js page. This is what I did on both Wikipedia and Miraheze. It was working fine on Miraheze in August, but currently it is not working on any Miraheze wikis, even my own wiki, where I am the bureaucrat, sysop, autoconfirmed, and confirmed.

It is supposed to show an edit window above the section edited, and can be expanded and moved. But currently on Miraheze, it shows a shrunk edit box at the bottom of the page, without background color, border, design, etc., and cannot be moved.

What should I do? Could you please help me?

Thank you very much. — XComhghall (talk) 16:01, 26 October 2021 (UTC)


 * The two gadgets you want can be handled by yourself, They can be installed on your wiki as a gadget too, plus, the libraries you mentions are what are already on MediaWiki and as such, you don't need to install them separately. You only need to enable the mw:Extension:Gadgets on your wiki.


 * For the latter, you should confirm if Wikiplus is currently not broken on English Wikipedia, if it is then it's not our fault, it's coming from upstream. After looking through the codes, I doubt if it will work on here when it's not locally installed though, tbh. Ugochimobi (talk) 20:41, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I just confirmed that Wikiplus works fine on the English and Chinese Wikipedias, Wikisources, and Wikinews. It used to work fine on Miraheze too. — XComhghall (talk) 19:34, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

what does "The database name may not contain non-alphanumeric characters." mean when i request a miraheze
same as title.

i would show a pic but i cant for some reason ZX-EXE (talk) 18:35, 28 October 2021 (UTC)


 * This may be because you entered something like 'yourwikiname.miraheze.org' instead of 'yourwikiname' when putting in a subdomain. Only offer the subdomain name, miraheze.org is not required. If this isn't the case, please mention what you tried for the wiki's subdomain since this is what it means by database name. --Raidarr (talk) 18:50, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * A request was made, so it appears this issue was resolved. --Raidarr (talk) 19:10, 28 October 2021 (UTC)