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Customizing sidebar of, adding chat to, adding border to, and adding infoboxes to wikis
How do I customize the sidebar on a wiki, how do I add chat to a wiki, how do I add a border to an infobox, and how do I keep that infobox on the right and have text wrap around it, and how do I change a wiki name and subdomain?
 * 1) The sidebar can be customised by editing MediaWiki:Sidebar on your wiki. 2) Not sure what you mean by chat, but there are chat extensions available in Special:ManageWiki/extensions (you can use Ctrl+F "chat" to find them). 3) Infoboxes are quite tricky so I would not be able to help in that regard (cc ). 4) the wiki name can be changed in Special:ManageWiki, the subdomain can only be changed by sysadmins and must be requested on Phabricator. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 05:28, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

CoCC election nominations
Hi everyone, in case perhaps it was missed or not noticed I would like to remind the community that nominations for the Code of Conduct Commission are currently taking place here and it would be nice to at least have five users that are nominated for the position. If you are interested in the CoCC and think you could help enforcing the CoCC feel free to nominate yourself, or alternatively if you know someone you think would be good for the position nominate them! Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 05:24, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Nominations closed on July 21st 2020. So additional candidates strictly can’t nominate themselves anymore based on the precedence set out over the past 3 years. John (talk) 05:54, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, I did not notice that. In that case, should the vote for the candidates not be opened? And also, since the number of nominees is inferior to the number of commissioners, what would be the procedure to eventually fill up the 5th remaining spot (assuming that all the other four are elected that is). Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 06:01, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The vote should be opened and no process exists for such a case. It was determined at the last election that the issue should be addressed in an RfC but it was never addressed. John (talk) 06:05, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, it should have probably been addressed in the other RfC regarding the CoCC. Since you began the election, will you open the vote or should I do it? Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 06:07, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I was talking to about it earlier and he was saying any steward could probably officially start the vote, but thought maybe John might want to? We were thinking of maybe giving it until tomorrow or Saturday, and then maybe gently nudging John into opening it? But if you want to open it, sure, that seems fine, too. :) Dmehus (talk) 06:25, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Do I have to make an RfC for this?
I wanted to suggest some extensions (comments, flow, blogs, voteny and pollny, socialprofile), so I thought I can make an RfC, but I thought you can't make an RfC for a topic like that. InspecterAbdel (talk) 20:57, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * For extensions, you don't need to do an RfC for that. There's Extensions on Meta and, from there, there should be a link to the Phabricator feature request form for requesting new extensions or configuration changes to existing extensions. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 22:06, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Just noting that all the extensions you mention are already available and can be enabled via Special:ManageWiki/extensions. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 04:47, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I think meant to enable those extensions here on meta. I may be wrong though.  20:18, 27 July 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * I meant add these extensions here on meta InspecterAbdel (talk) 20:28, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Universal Omega. Looks like you were right. In that case, consider this strong support towards adding Flow, though it should be only enabled after a brief community discussion on the talk page or noticeboard in Talk: namespace and upon request/on-demand in one's own user talk: namespace. Consider this support to either "voteny" or "pollny," if they can be used without SocialProfile, which I'd be either weakly opposed to or weakly supportive of (would only support if they can be enabled on-demand in own's userspace and if it is not made the default userspace page). I am not familiar with the other two, so will abstain there. Dmehus (talk) 15:03, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I would say due to the extensions changing quite a bit a discussion is definitely necessary and possibly a local RfC could be chosen if you'd wish. I don't see what the purpose of the polling extensions on Meta would be, however. If you would want them for voting for different users in Requests for Permissions, that is not the way we do it around here as people should comment on why they are voting, not simply cast a vote. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 16:40, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's fair; if we were just wanting to enable Flow on Meta, then probably a short 5-7 community discussion on community noticeboard is all that would likely needed, based on my Discord conversations with you. With regard to the others, yes, I agree, we'd probably want to have either (a) a 21-30 day community discussion or (b) a full 30 day local RfC, eh? As to the polling extension, I've personally not used it, but could see it being particularly useful for these very community discussions. It is context-specific with community discussions as to whether one needs to !vote with a rationale or simply !vote. If they are voting in favour of a clearly defined proposal that is well articulated by the proposer, then it's strictly just a nosecount. Dmehus (talk) 16:49, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

The content model of Module documents is Scribunto
I found that, in rs.miraheze.org, the content model of Module documents ( or  ) is currently Scribunto instead of wikitext, which makes it abnormal to create module documents unless I use Special:ChangeContentModel to change it. --SolidBlock (talk) 08:08, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Is this occurring on just that wiki, or on all wikis? If the former, you should be able to change this in . If the latter, this is likely a global configuration issue, and should be changed globally with a Phabricator request. If no one else notices this thread by tomorrow morning, I will investigate further, and submit a Phabricator ticket if required. Dmehus (talk) 14:47, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't know if it's former of latter. But I failed to change that via ManageWiki, because I can only change the content model of whole namespace. --SolidBlock (talk) 15:08, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, that's helpful, thanks. We may need to file an upstream Phabricator ticket, then, with Wikimedia's Phabricator. I'll follow up here tomorrow. Dmehus (talk) 15:38, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The default content model for Module is Scribunto InspecterAbdel (talk) 22:04, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I found that it's occurring on almost all wikis, including meta, 10b10t, 343151, 8848 wiki and so on——I just randomly tested some and found that they are all Scribuntos. --SolidBlock (talk) 03:57, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Add interwiki prefix on botswiki
Hi, please add the prefix botsphab to the interwiki table on botswiki with forwarding turned on, and have it point to https://phab.bots.miraheze.wiki. Thanks. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 19:12, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, sure.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 19:13, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ Lets try it > botsphab:T31.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 19:18, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

I do not know how to make and use a Phabricator account
How!? InspecterAbdel (talk) 23:53, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You simply go to Miraheze Phabricator, and click on the option to "create an account" using your MediaWiki login. This should take you to the Miraheze wiki where you will either (a) already be signed in or (b) asked to sign on, and ask your permission, using OAuth, to add your MediaWiki login as an authorized sign-in authority on Miraheze Phabricator. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 01:59, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I have a question about the sidebar
Some wikis have a "share" in their sidebar, which lets you share the wiki via Twitter, Email, Facebook, and 178 more. But when I search the sidebar, there isn't any Wikitext for it. Does anyone know how to add it? Oh, and if you want to know what it looks like, here are two examples. InspecterAbdel (talk) 19:31, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I also had the same question. CircleyDoesExtracter  ( Circley Talk  |  Global   |  Email the Cloud ) 20:04, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you mean transcluding your own wiki's MediaWiki sidebar page across wikis? Or, do you mean just adding certain links on wikis you use? If the latter, this is typically done by creating your  file as a subpage of your own Meta userpage, and then adding various user scripts you use, which either (a) override the existing, wiki-specific-set links or (b) add to existing links. This will only effect your Miraheze wiki sidebar experience, and will have no bearing on what others see. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 02:04, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * But I liked it for everyone, and that "share" in sidebar is really cool. I don't think it helps for me. CircleyDoesExtracter  ( Circley Talk  |  Global   |  Email the Cloud ) 20:25, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Using infobox and navbox templates
Hi, I've used MediaWiki before and have actually just migrated my own wiki here from another site to get more control over editing access. I am, however, running into issues with the infobox and navbox templates, which seem not to be copying over at all like what they are on Wikipedia (or wikis I've formerly had these same pages on. For example: https://tla.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Leftist_Assembly (most other pages on TLAwiki have both an infobox and navbox with the same issue).

I've copied the template straight from Miraheze, so I can't figure out why it isn't working. Can anybody help? Lawrencedepe (talk) 08:00, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I think that the display is different because CSS etc. is different from Wikipedia. You also need to copy the CSS for classes such as 　and   to get the same display. --そらたこ (talk) 09:22, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm a little confused - how would I go about doing that? I'm not the most skilled person in this area, but I think I have a decent enough understanding that I can get it with a bit of help and direction. :) Lawrencedepe (talk) 12:02, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Don't worry. I apologize for the lack of explanation. If you want your wiki to look the same as Wikipedia, you have to copy CSS sources from Wikipedia's MediaWiki:common.css to your's MediaWiki:common.css. If you just want to be the same as Wikipedia, you can just copy the entire Wikipedia CSS code. In this case, the unnecessary parts are included, so you need to customize if you want to copy only the necessary parts. The   and   that start with   or   are the parts that specify the CSS class. The part from   to   following   specifies the style. You should copy only the code related to   and   and other necessary parts. --そらたこ (talk) 13:04, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, that fixed it! Lawrencedepe (talk) 22:59, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Problem on the Atrocious YouTubers Wiki
I'm having a problem on the Atrocious YouTubers Wiki. For whatever reason, I can't make pages or post comments, because it's restricted to autoconfirmed users, bureaucrats, confirmed users and administrators. I have no idea how to become a confirmed user. I'd like someone to contact the wiki's admins so they can get things sorted out. CriticalMaster95 (talk) 16:58, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Moved from Administrators' noticeboard thread Dmehus (talk) 17:08, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Typically, autoconfirmed is granted, on most wikis, to users with at least ten edits and once their account has been attached for at least four days. YMMV from wiki to wiki, of course, but you could try performing a few small cleanup-type edits on the wiki, to see if you are autopromoted. If that fails, you can go to Special:ListUsers/sysop on that wiki, and e-mail or message any administrator to manually grant you one or more user group rights. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 17:10, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks for the information. ;) CriticalMaster95 (talk) 21:49, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem...happy to help. :-) Dmehus (talk) 23:12, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Delete a lot of pages
I have a bunch of pages I would like to delete. I can list then all (from Special:Allpages) or give you a regex for all the possible titles. There all in the project namespace, but it is not the entire project namespace. Any suggestions? --Aquatiki (talk) 13:07, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * How many do you have? It's possible, using the HotCat gadget or just by copying and pasting the name of a single-purpose category, to tag them all in a certain category, and then use Special:Nuke to mass delete. If it's in the hundreds or thousands of pages, there's a request form on Phabricator you can use to submit your request, but you will need to either (a) list all the pages you want deleted (if not all in one category or if they do not share a common feature, like a common prefix) or (b) list the common feature(s) they all share so system administrators can clearly getting a listing for their deletion page script to do the deletion. Dmehus (talk) 15:51, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Special:Nuke uses a weird syntax I don't understand.  The pages are all definitely "taggable", in regex Pro\/\d+\/\d+ and Pss\:\d+\/\d+ in the Project namespace.  Can I get them all that way? --Aquatiki (talk) 12:02, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that's the way to go about it. How many pages is it? It sounds like requesting on Phabricator is the way to go, but you will need to list all the pages either (a) in a Phabricator ticket or (b) a *.txt file that you can upload to the Phabricator ticket. Alternatively, if they all start with the same prefix, or are all in a certain namespace or category, you can specify it that way. Let me know if that helps. Dmehus (talk) 21:29, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Mass deleting pages
On Crappy Games Wiki, there's a lot of pages with a "@comment" in the title, which are FANDOM leftovers. Is there anyway I can delete them all at once? --DeciduousWater534 (talk) 05:32, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you want all the "@comment" pages deleted? If so, system administrators can set up a deletion page script to mass delete those pages. All you need to do is open a Phabricator ticket (under Maniphest --> Create task ---> MediaWiki project ---> Maintenance workboard). If you haven't registered a Phabricator account yet, just go to Miraheze Phabricator, click on the MediaWiki login, and then it should take you back to this Meta wiki to authorize your Phabricator account access using OAuth. Let me know if any issues. If you have difficulty creating the task, I can do it for you and tag your Phabricator account, once you confirm (by way of a reply here) that you want all pages prefixed by "@comment" in all namespaces deleted. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 15:05, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, I created a task. I was hoping that I could delete them all myself, but I was only able to delete recently edited ones. Thanks. --DeciduousWater534 (talk) 15:45, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * If they're not comingled with other pages in a single namespace, you could use Special:Nuke pretty easily, but otherwise, your only alternative would be to manually tag every page with a special purpose category, and then nuke all pages in that category. Using the SQL LIKE command is something I haven't fully understood, so the Phabricator task is your best bet in this case. Dmehus (talk) 15:47, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Hiding the section edit links for anonymous users
I would like to hide the section edit links for anonymous users, but I'm not quite sure how to do that. According to this page it can be done by configuring a wiki's localsettings.php file, but upon further investigation that's only accessible from a wiki's server files, not the wiki itself. Also, while I want logged-in users to have the option of having section editing be visible, is there an option in preferences for users to turn it off for themselves if they choose to? CoolieCoolster (talk) 15:01, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey, you can just protect pages to "Allow only logged in users". It should work too.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 15:08, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , please let us know if protecting the pages, or specific namespaces, to logged-in users will serve your needs. If not, and you want anonymous users to edit pages, but not sections of pages, it may be possible to file a Phabricator task, but without knowing which setting in localsettings.php needs to be changed, it's not clear if this can be changed on a wiki-specific basis (possible) or if there's only one setting that would be changed on all wikis (probably not possible). Dmehus (talk) 15:11, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I want to leave the option open for anonymous users to edit certain pages, so I don't want to disable anonymous editing entirely, just make the reading experience a bit more streamlined. The MediaWiki page I read mentioned that adding $wgDefaultUserOptions ['editsection'] = false; to the local settings file would hide the section edit links. Can I request that this change be made on Phabricator? Also, is there any option in preferences for users to re-enable the section edit links if they wish to? Thanks, CoolieCoolster (talk) 15:37, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll have to check with a sysadmin to see if this can be disabled on a wiki-specific basis. To your second question, it may be possible for users to hide the "edit section" links via their local common.js or common.css file, but this is just a guess on possibilities. I haven't investigated if this is possible. For now, you could just use  magic word, but this will hide it from all users. Not ideal for what you're wanting, but may be an acceptable workaround? Dmehus (talk) 15:44, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * After further research I found that modification of section links via php files hasn't been an option since MediaWiki 1.23, which replaced it with CSS file edits, which I just did to the site-wide CSS file on my wiki. Since this disables it for all users however, is there a way for users to override this if they wish to have section edit links by editing their own user CSS file? CoolieCoolster (talk) 16:07, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure, but maybe? I really don't know here, but will try to find out something for you in the next day or two. Ping me if you find out anything through your own research. Why do you want to disable it site-wide, rather than just use one of the magic words on specific pages? Dmehus (talk) 16:11, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I find that the edit links are especially noticeable with the MediaWiki theme that I'm using, so I only want them to show if the user is an editor that wants to use them, since otherwise most people aren't interested in editing and just want to look up information. I saw that there is the alternative in user preferences of enabling right-click to edit sections, but after a quick lookup of CSS formatting, I figured out that I can counteract the .mw-editsection { display:none!important; } in the main CSS file with .mw-editsection { display:contents!important; } in my (and any user who chooses to) CSS file. A bit clunky, but it works! Thanks for the responses! CoolieCoolster (talk) 16:18, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Probably, I think that it is possible to display it only to login users by using Common.css and Group-user.css together. After hiding the section edit link to all users, can't it be displayed again only to login users? --そらたこ (talk) 17:27, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It's only me for now so I'll just leave it like it is for now. Since there's the "right click to edit section" option in preferences, if any of my wiki's users want to I'll suggest either that or the other option to them. Thanks, CoolieCoolster (talk) 18:14, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Question about Private Wiki User Access Levels
Hallo. Complete new Miraheze user here. Yesterday I created my first (private) wiki and today confirmed that simply having a Miraheze username did not allow the owner of that username to access a subsidiary page. I then created a new username and added that username to the group "member", expecting that once done the owner of that username would then be able to read the subsidiary page. This was true, but I then discovered that he could also edit that page. Could a more experienced user please advise what I have done wrong ? My ultimate aim is to have (at least) three levels of access : (1) none (usernames that are not a member of any group); (2) read-only (usernames that are members of "member"); and (3) read-write (usenames that are members of more powerful groups than "member").
 * Yeah, the  group is for private wikis, so that you can manually add members to that group to have read and/or edit access to your private wiki. It sounds like you want it to be a member only wiki, so you have two options, discussed in turn below:
 * Modify your  group permissions to remove the   and any related permissions; or,
 * Protect the pages, or namespaces, to a higher level group (i.e.,  or  ).
 * Both of these are done in Special:ManageWiki on your wiki. Also, you may notice anyone that visits your wiki will be attached to your wiki, but unless they're in the  group, they won't be able to read your wiki, so there's no need to block non-members (some users have wondered about this in the past).
 * Separately, I have also moved your topic to the bottom of this page, added a relevant section header (feel free to change, if you wish), and removed the  tags around your signature, adding unsigned in lieu of a signature, as this page doesn't use Flow/StructuredDiscussions, so requires a signature. Dmehus (talk) 18:18, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Dmehus. No idea why it appeared at the top of the page if it was not meant to, but thank you for moving it to the correct place.  As regards the signature, I typed the required four tildes, so unclear why that did not appear as intended.  If you can tell me the format of a signature, I will endeavour to replace unsigned  with whatever my correct signature should be.
 * Adding a further four tildes here in the hopes that this time they will have the desired effect.
 * Hmmm, clearly they didn't. But a further problem — trying to access Special:ManageWiki, I am asked for the database name :  how do I find that out ?  And what should I do to add my signature when four tildes do not work ?
 * Worked around that (the URL behaves differently depending on the current URL) but having checked the access rights for "member", there is only one : "Read".  "Edit" (and all variants thereof) appear only under "Unassigned rights".  So still perplexed.
 * Regarding the signature, it's because you are wrapping the  in the nowiki tags. Nevertheless, it wasn't a problem, as I fixed it for you again. Regarding adding a topic, you probably used the "edit" tab instead of "add topic," which is fine, except you will have to scroll down to the bottom of the page to add it. Regarding your problem, sorry, I should've linked to the ManageWiki page on your wiki, Special:ManageWiki (like that). From there, you just select the   group and modify its permissions. Note that   is for the permissions of all users, including non-registered/IP users. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 19:28, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Once again, many thanks Dmehus. Tomorrow I will look further at Special:ManageWiki, but the group "member" really has only read access, so I remain perplexed.  As to "wrapping the   in the nowiki tags", I would have no idea how to do this !  All I do is type four tildes on a new line and they come out as ... four tildes.  Very odd indeed.
 * Worked around that (the URL behaves differently depending on the current URL) but having checked the access rights for "member", there is only one : "Read".  "Edit" (and all variants thereof) appear only under "Unassigned rights".  So still perplexed.
 * Regarding the signature, it's because you are wrapping the  in the nowiki tags. Nevertheless, it wasn't a problem, as I fixed it for you again. Regarding adding a topic, you probably used the "edit" tab instead of "add topic," which is fine, except you will have to scroll down to the bottom of the page to add it. Regarding your problem, sorry, I should've linked to the ManageWiki page on your wiki, Special:ManageWiki (like that). From there, you just select the   group and modify its permissions. Note that   is for the permissions of all users, including non-registered/IP users. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 19:28, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Once again, many thanks Dmehus. Tomorrow I will look further at Special:ManageWiki, but the group "member" really has only read access, so I remain perplexed.  As to "wrapping the   in the nowiki tags", I would have no idea how to do this !  All I do is type four tildes on a new line and they come out as ... four tildes.  Very odd indeed.

Local CU, OS and ArbC
I think that having CU and OS tools restricted to stewards is not good for users who create a wiki here just because they cannot afford a server, which is around probably 20000 USD. These tools should also be allowed on wikis which demonstrate activity and contributions. Also, some wikis may be based on an organization, not a private entity. They should have the ability to resolve some of legal issues before Miraheze is influenced. I think these should only be allowed on a wiki with more than 50 contributors and at least 20 articles. They are granted by the ArbCom, and the ArbCom is granted by vote scrutineers following a community discussion specified by any wiki. They must meet some requirements set by individual wikis and sign the Privacy document, and have OAuth enabled. I am an OAuth application developer. ThesenatorO5-2 (talk) 10:00, 8 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I think that wikis should be self-governing and adhere to the global policy, and that is why I proposed this. ThesenatorO5-2 (talk) at 10:31, 8 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Stewards would grant local CU+OS, that policy will be made clear soon, following a community vote. No ArbCom is needed. We will make the criteria clear and yes all must sign an NDA. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  09:29, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Why you say no ArbC is needed? Edit: Maybe we can set up a higher limit of 200 contributors and 100 articles to qualify for ArbC.ThesenatorO5-2 (talk) 10:00, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Because I don't see much for it to do. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  11:46, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * There is really no need for an ArbCom right now, the community is simply not large enough, and there are barely enough volunteers as it is. And also, a server is nowhere near 20000 dollars, maybe that was a hyperbole? Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 12:17, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * With some differences, we already have the Code of Conduct Commission, which serves as the ultimate community elected body for mediating Code of Conduct disputes between users and serving as an appeals body for the community- or steward-imposed sanctions. It's very similar to Arbitration Committee on English Wikipedia except that it is a truly global quasi-judicial elected community body, but it does have a lot of similarities in its approach and methods. As to local CheckUser, I still struggle to see why we would need a local CheckUser right; Oversight maybe, but would still require signing a non-disclosure agreement as it would be able to see edits or log actions suppressed by a steward. As well, it would need, included within the terms of revocation, a stipulation that if a local wiki  unsuppressed an entry suppressed by a steward or system administrator (in the course of enforcing the ToU), it can be revoked summarily by either group (as applicable), possibly accompanied by some sort of community discussion related to that user's actions. Dmehus (talk) 14:37, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, regarding the above-quoted cost of a server, that's an arguably ridiculous number. You could run a small wiki on a cloud-based VPS for about $5 USD per month, which would give you the CU and OS access you apparently need. Dmehus (talk) 15:09, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

With Miraheze, an account is created by simply accessing the wiki while logged in, so I would like to have the permissions discussed this time be managed collectively with meta.--松•Matsu (talk) 16:08, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That's a very good point, especially with regard to why we should not have a local CheckUser. Even with local Oversight, while I at least potentially see a use case, there are a number of logistical hurdles or obstacles over which we'd have to overcome. Local CheckUser, though, for the reason you've articulated, and the reasons expressed by others should really be avoided. I quite like the way it's currently restricted to a limited number of very trusted users, and coordinated through Meta for transparency purposes. Dmehus (talk) 16:37, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with you, since a CU access can have serious complications, and because of the COC commission in place, local ArbComs are not needed, though I am thinking of placing a high size limit for local arbitration committees. Local check users should be avoided if there are no policies regarding local CU usage, but per what Dmehus said, local OS can see revisions hidden by an ST or SA, which requires an NDA. After all, this is pretty hard to fully resolve. CU and Arb are not required in my wiki since my wiki is pretty small. I just need an OS access which I have requested at the steward's noticeboard. I am also thinking of local locks which can be imposed by bureaucrats preventing the user from logging in on a specific wiki. but I will start a new topic for it. ThesenatorO5-2 (talk) - 02:18, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, we can set up some global policy that basically says that users with the right(s) of granting or using local CU and OS must enable 2FA and local OS should not restore revisions which are hidden by a SA or ST. [ ThesenatorO5-2 (talk) | 08:31, 10 August 2020 (UTC) ]

How to create WikiBase properties
I just created a wiki on Miraheze an successfully enabled WikiBase. Nevertheless I have a very basic issue: I can create Items, but I cannot create properties. When I point to page  the result is the error: You do not have permission to create Properties, for the following reason: You are not allowed to execute the action you have requested.

As WikiBase without properties is pretty useless, then I think I am missing something very basic. I cannot find any additional documentation on WikiBase on Miraheze, so can you please help with this? Thanks --Lucamauri (talk) 21:25, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for signing your post with four tildes, and welcome to Meta. No problem with your question; no question is too basic. I suspect the issue is because to create properties in WikiBase, one needs to have the  user right granted to them (since it's not included within the   and   bits, insofar as I am aware). Have you assigned that user group to yourself? Let me know if this resolves it. Dmehus (talk) 21:28, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * thanks for helping me: I made the modification and it works as expected. May I suggest this to be added somewhere into Documentation or FAQ? I would have done myself, but I see I, as a user, cannot contribute to META. Thanks. --Lucamauri (talk) 10:25, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem...I'm glad my proposed solution worked. Regarding your above request to add something like this to the FAQ, I do see that page is protected as administrator, probably because it's a high-traffic page (as opposed to a global policy page). Nevertheless, I have diarized this request, and will ensure it is updated in the next couple of weeks. Thanks again for your follow up, and also for your signing your posts. It is so nice to welcome an experienced MediaWiki user to Meta who is already well trained in discussion page conventions (i.e., signing posts, etc.). Dmehus (talk) 11:09, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * We probably should write a WikiBase specific guide. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  11:05, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that would be useful. I was talking to about our FAQ page, which I think could be improved in terms of how we've classified various questions by subject, and could probably be broken down further into various subpages of that page as it's already starting to become a bit too lengthy in terms of readability as a single page. It's on my mental 'to-do list'. Dmehus (talk) 11:12, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * you are flattering me 😁 Regarding documentation on WikiBase, I would be happy to help, if needed, as I am working quite heavily on it for personal project. --Lucamauri (talk) 11:16, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

WikiBase custom configuration
I am looking for the way to make some custom configuration in WikiBase Repo of my wiki on Miraheze, but I am not sure how to do it or even if this is possible at all.

Specifically I am interested in customising: $wgWBRepoSettings['siteLinkGroups'] $wgWBClientSettings['specialSiteLinkGroups'] $wgWBRepoSettings['formatterUrlProperty'] and, accordingly, add some rows to the  table.

In my own installation I would set the variables into Repo's  and use   command line utility to insert the rows.

Can I do this in my MediaWiki instance on Miraheze? Or can I ask it to be done by an admin?

Thanks --Lucamauri (talk) 10:19, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if those settings are wiki-specific, but if they are, then it might be possible to create a Phabricator ticket on Miraheze Phabricator. If you don't already have an account there, use the "MediaWiki sign-up" link, and it'll automatically bring you back to Meta to authorize your Phabricator account using OAuth. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 12:08, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks,, I have filed it here https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T6041 Just for the records: these are wiki-specific settings. Frankly I am surprised no user requested to modify those before, as they are of critical importance for the use of SiteLinks and data so-called direct access. I would have expected a section for it in ManageWiki. --Lucamauri (talk) 16:28, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

when will wikis about scratch be allowed to be made again?
this says that wikis about scratch WILL be allowed after 45 days, how much days are left until wikis about scratch will be allowed so I can make a wiki about one of my games on scratch. ScratchCoder (talk) 02:36, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You should be fine. The discussion closed nearly two months ago. Tali64³ (talk) 20:42, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll remove the technical restriction in force later. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  20:46, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Requests Interwiki administrators to change Interwiki
Wiki Url [//nmfwiki.miraheze.org]

We need some: Thanks. 开炸弹车 (talk) 07:29, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) (Another Minecraft fun wiki)
 * 2) (Chinese MinecraftWiki)
 * 3) (A Chinese Wiki)
 * 4) (the url of the uid of Forum)
 * 5) (the url of the thread of Forum)
 * 6) (the url of the pid of Forum)
 * I haven't yet checked all of those websites yet (the Chinese Gamepedia wiki and NetEase website should be fine), but have moved your post from Stewards' noticeboard in this thread to community noticeboard where it is now in scope. Replies will be made here. Though I have an outstanding a request for global interwiki administrator that can be closed any time by a steward, it hasn't yet closed. So, I'm going to ping to this thread to assess your requests as well, as I do not know when it will be closed. Do you have a preference for the prefixes that will be used and whether the forward flag should be enabled, or should these be left to the interwiki administrator's discretion? Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 13:12, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks.I forgot that.em…this:
 * bbsw
 * mcwiki
 * moe
 * uid
 * tid
 * pid
 * --开炸弹车 (talk) 13:31, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for clarifying that. That's helpful. Either or I should be along shortly to assess your request (depending on my outstanding request's closure). Dmehus (talk) 13:39, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ If theres anything wrong, at me 14:22, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. --开炸弹车 (talk) 14:41, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

How can I import a set of Markdown pages?
Hi,

I have a number of markdown pages exported from Nuclino. Is there a way to import them all into miraheze?
 * This discussion was moved from Administrators' noticeboard where it was out of scope (diff). Dmehus (talk) 12:42, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , firstly, thank for your asking your question at Administrators' noticeboard, and welcome both to Meta and to Miraheze. Please note I have procedurally moved it to community noticeboard as this is the centralized discussion page for wiki support-related questions (amongst other things). As well, I have added an unsigned signature to your initial post, containing your username and timestamp when you made your post, as it's required for archiving discussions by the bot. Please ensure you sign your posts with the four tildes in the future.
 * Secondly, regarding your question, looking at the declined extensions section of the Extensions page on this wiki, it looks like Extension:Markdown was previously requested, but declined by Miraheze system administrators as it is not actively maintained by the upstream developer(s). This would've been ideal in terms of converting the Markdown formatting into wikitext, but alas, that is not available. In terms of the format of the Nuclino XML dumps, given that Nuclino does not use MediaWiki wiki software, I'm inclined to think a direct import would probably not be possible. One option you may want to consider is to first your Nuclino pages in Markdown with a third-party conversion utility. From there, depending on the format you convert it to, it may be possible to import that format. Other users may have some other ideas. Dmehus (talk) 13:02, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. @Dmehus, what would I need to convert them to so that I could import them here?

Get user language in lua
I would like to produce a template that returns different text depending on the display language of the user. I read on mw:Manual:Language that the user's display language can be accessed with  in PHP. How to access it in lua? (If it can be done without lua it would be even better, but I suppose that isn't possible.) Jack980517 (talk) 22:09, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It looks like it's only possible to get the content language using, which means that you'd probably be best off using the translate extension. It is possible to do something like what you are asking with JavaScript, but that means it won't display on all browsers. --  Void  Whispers 22:48, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * seems to return the site content language, which isn't what I want. What I want is the user interface language (as it's called in mw:Manual:Language), which can be changed in the user's preferences, and affects UI text like the "edit / edit source" links.
 * I wouldn't want JavaScript; it seems dirty to me. I only want to translate certain words or phrases (which, in my original plan, would always be mentioned using my template) and not entire pages. Is the translate extension suitable for my use case? I'm not familiar with it. Jack980517 (talk) 23:19, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I think the translate extension can be used in MediaWiki namespace, which controls the aspects of the user interface in question that I think you're wondering about. Alternatively, I believe there's translatewiki.net that's used for doing translations of the interface, but I'm not familiar with how that works or if that's appropriate in this case. Dmehus (talk) 23:25, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You could try enabling mw:Extension:MyVariables and using to get the user's language. K599 (talk) 23:31, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You are misunderstanding me. I wanted to take the UI language code, and use it to display something else in the page content. I'm not trying to translate the user interface itself. Suppose that I have a content page with the contents " This is a . " When the UI language is set to English, it shows "This is a grape." When the UI language is set to Chinese, it shows "This is a 葡萄."
 * That seems perfect for my use case! I don't even have to learn lua! Thanks a lot. Jack980517 (talk) 00:01, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Why has the miraheze wikis not been working
It been saying page isn't working when it is hasn't been working and it then keeps going from working to not working and I am saying this quickly before it might do it again. Email me at removed for the answer. Thanks. I don't know how to do 4 tildes but my username is Billy Goober and the date is August 21 2020 at 8:26 PM
 * You're going to have to be more specific. What wiki and pages are you having issues on? Are you getting a specific error? If you consistently can't access wikis to the point of not being able to edit this page, email tech@undefinedmiraheze.org with those details (what specific URL(s) are giving you what error(s)). -- Void  Whispers 02:09, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

The entire wikis hasn't been working and going back to working every wiki. Thank you. Billy Goober August 21 9:25 pm
 * That's still not really enough detail. Are you able to connect with us on either Discord or IRC to chat in real-time? Or, alternatively, to e-mail  as  suggested above?
 * Also, are you able to go into your Special:Preferences and set a signature that includes your username and talk page, like Billy Goober (talk), selecting the option to "treat signature as wikitext"? Then, to sign your posts, you just type four tildes at the end of every post. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 02:37, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't know but I did just email them Billy Goober August 21 10:36

Usage of the "commentadmin" right by Global sysops
While technically, since one of the duties of Global sysops is countervandalism they should be given this right on wikis where the Comments extension is enabled, it hasn't been clearly decided. It would be absurd to create an RfC just for that, so I propose a discussion here. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 16:09, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Support

 * 1)  Per my reasoning above, a lot of vandalism is committed using the Comments extension and this would allow us to quickly remove it. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 16:08, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)  per  as nom. I wouldn't say it would be absurd, though, to do an RfC; however, I completely agree that a community discussion, lasting roughly for at least seven (7) calendar days, should be all that is required. We might possibly want to coordinate together on a possible future RfC that outlines when an RfC versus a community discussion should be used. DM me on Discord, and I can share some ideas I have on that. Dmehus (talk) 16:12, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Agree that this is a policy discussion and should be left open for 7 days. Agree that it is better to have a rule than a guess whether an RfC is called for.   01:15 18-Aug-2020
 * 1)  Because vandalism on the comments is common, having "commentadmin" rights for the global sysop will help things.  CircleyDoesExtracter  ( Circley Talk  |  Global   |  Email the Cloud ) 18:10, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)  Cocopuff2018  03:49, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 3) .  I haven't used the Comments extension but agree in principle that those entrusted to fight vandalism should have access to everywhere that vandalism could occur.  Over, say, a new cadre created solely to police this one extension!   01:08 18-Aug-2020
 * 4)  --GondorChicken (talk) 19:55, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 5) per Reception Zppix (Meta &#124; CVT Member &#124; talk to me) 20:03, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 6)  Must be approved, it's extremely needed.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 07:42, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

About Google captcha
Miraheze currently uses the verification code provided by Google. However, since Google Corporation withdrew from the Chinese market, the government blocked all its translation except the translation. It led to the fact that users in mainland China could not register or add the external chain. Chinese mainland was prohibited from making use of VPN. So miraheze could change a verification service provider in People's Republic of China? I don't know how to use English well，so I use the MT.Can Miraheze use other captcha？城市酸儒文人挖坑 (talk) 03:05, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It would probably be easier to send an email to  with the requested username, and we will generate it for the user and their temporary password will be sent by email. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 06:38, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you！But sometimes no one can help them sign up for email, and it's also a problem for new users to add external links to the page.城市酸儒文人挖坑 (talk) 06:59, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I am sure someone would be able to help the new users sign up, if they wish they can contact me and I will take care of it. As for external links, you may add the "skipcaptcha" right to a group in Special:ManageWiki/permissions and assign that group to them; that will allow them to skip the captcha for external links. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 07:17, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * So how do you defend against machine damage?Perhaps you can use the same verification code provider as the SCP Foundation.城市酸儒文人挖坑 (talk) 09:51, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I remind you that Chinese hates bureaucracy, posing, dogmatism, and you're starting to do it, and I have to wonder how efficient Miraheze is, and westerners have always been very efficient, because some administer, I'm starting to think that Westerners are inefficient! Please pay attention! The people of the communist society hate the above behavior! Some users may have to switch to other wiki farms because of their efficiency!城市酸儒文人挖坑 (talk) 10:06, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you, but this administrator is too inefficient to give a complete solution to the problem, and please take a look at the tech@miraheze.org received!城市酸儒文人挖坑 (talk) 11:16, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Unable to reopen wiki
The Special:ManageWiki page looks like this: https://i.imgur.com/vnRgBYd.png

I created that wiki and I'm an Administrator there (https://i.imgur.com/hLcew7L.png), but I can't change anything on that page.

I apologize in advance in case there's something obvious I'm missing...

AquaVirus (talk) 08:36, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * By default, only bureaucrat is allowed to make changes from ManageWiki. The administrator cannot manage. That wiki is private, I can't see current setting. Ask Steward to reopen that wiki or ask them to give you a bureaucrat right at Stewards' noticeboard. --そらたこ (talk) 10:57, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * you should now have permission to reopen the wiki. -- Void  Whispers 16:54, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Local interwiki admin
Some wikis may be dependent on a lot of different sites that they need to import, and because stewards and GSs are not available anytime, it is possible that we allow wiki bureaucrats to use the interwiki right, or we make the interwiki right available on managewiki. ThesenatorO5-2 (talk) 10:39, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
 * While the interwiki table is likely the underlying data source for the  function within the   configuration file, this is not the primary purpose of Special:Interwiki. The main purpose of Special:Interwiki is to link to external websites using wikilinks and to simplify the linking process in templates. Additionally, it is possible to request local interwiki administrator, the current requirements for which require that a local election or selection/appointment process occur on the wiki being requested and the requesting user hold   rights on that wiki. Once your local election or selection process is complete, consistent with your local rules (or global customs and conventions, where no local rules exist), you would return to Meta and, specifically, to Stewards' noticeboard, linking to the local election thread and a steward will assess your election. If you just need a few links added to your local interwiki table, any interwiki administrator (including yours truly) can do this upon request on this noticeboard. Unfortunately, potential security concerns exist with allowing local bureaucrats to grant local interwiki administrator; however, I am planning on drafting, in a future RfC (within the next month or so), some changes regarding interwiki administration; however, a steward will, unfortunately, still be required to grant and remove this right, given what I've articulated here. Hope this helps.
 * Regarding template importation, you can also use Special:Export first on the wiki from which you wish to import and import, and upload via the  option as opposed to transwiki importation, as an alternative to adding that site to your local interwiki table and then doing the GitHub pull request to update   for your wiki. Dmehus (talk) 14:42, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh. I got it. But there are some discussions in IRC about me and the co-founder having IWA rights, can that be suitable? ThesenatorO5-2 (talk) 00:12, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you mean for local interwiki administrator election or selection purposes? If so, I would say likely no because these sort of things should be done, ideally, on-wiki (on the local wiki) for transparency purposes. As well, the steward may wish to link directly to the diff page in their grant of local rights. Please ensure you are familiar with the interwiki administrators policy, that the right can be revoked without warning by a steward of any user who adds a malicious website to Special:Interwiki, and that you are both bureaucrats on your wiki. Dmehus (talk) 00:22, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I can have screenshots of that IRC discussion uploaded to my wiki as evidence, and both me and that user are bureaucrats of that wiki. Also, I am familiar with the IWA policy. ThesenatorO5-2 (talk) 00:32, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry if this feels like bureaucracy, but you need to create an election page of some sort on your wiki, stating the usernames of the  users requesting local interwiki administrator, the number of positions up for election or appointment, and some indication from those users (i.e., on-wiki signatures) and any others indicating their support. When that's concluded, you need to link to that page on your Stewards' noticeboard discussion. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 00:41, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * OK having other members come and add sigs. ThesenatorO5-2 (talk) 00:45, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That's great. I think that's best. Make sure you state how many positions are to be appointed or elected, and whether this is an appointment or election process. If the latter, you'll need to state things like the election duration, support ratio for successful election, and have users express a view of support or opposition for the candidates. Dmehus (talk) 00:50, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Forgot to mention that this wiki has only 4 users plus one inactive (They cannot use a VPN so I created accounts for them), and it will be an appointment.
 * Okay, fair enough, since your wiki has a limited number of users, and the appointment process should be fine. However, if there are state-imposed restrictions preventing their editing, or they're affected by a global IP block, they can, and should, request a global IP block exemption from stewards via e-mail to . Please ensure this message is passed along to them. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 00:58, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks.

Add entries to the IW table
Please add mojang.com, scpwiki.com and wikidot.com to scpwikimc.miraheze.org's IW table. I am gathering those other users to state their opinions on the page relevant to my IWA rights, but before they made a statement I would still need these entries. thanks. ThesenatorO5-2 (talk) 02:13, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * First, I have moved this discussion from Stewards' noticeboard to here, where it is now in scope. Second, are you wanting the root domains added, requiring you to add the full page URL following the backslash as your page name in your wikilinks? And is this for transwiki importing or just for wikilinks? If the former, a GitHub PR request will need to be as well. Finally, what prefixes do you wish to use? Dmehus (talk) 02:20, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

How do I add Links to the sidebar and create Interlanguage pages
I didn't find a way to add the 'Links' section to the side bar, and couldn't create Interlanguage pages. I want to create a page, with multiple versions in different languages, and have them available on the sidebar. I tried adding page_name but it just showed as a link on the page and when I clicked it this created a whole new page.

Proposal to revoke inactive steward
Hello. Here is my proposal for the revocation of The Pioneer as he is missing/vanished. I think it is strange that 20 users need to comment for the revocation of a steward too... I am writing this here to get users to comment on this request. DeeM28 (talk) 09:52, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

I am having trouble on Terrible Tv Shows Wiki
I can't create pages or post comments, and I don't have the required rights to message people I have no idea (talk) 00:32, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , I haven't yet looked into the reason(s) why, but I suspect it could be because your account is too new (i.e., you're not autoconfirmed) on that wiki. Anyway, I've procedurally moved this discussion from Administrators' noticeboard to here, where it is now in scope. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 00:42, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Questions about Questionable Content
I don't know honestly if this is the correct place for this topic, but please help me.

My wiki has just been created, and I am currently writing the Content Policy for it. My wiki has a large scope (about animation), and I intended it to include all kinds of animation. This includes (please don't judge me) 'hentai'.

After all, the US also made some in the 60s until 80s (which I also intend to document as well), and if we have full extensive documentation regarding the Renaissance paintings which sometimes includes realistically drawn nude models, why the same doesn't apply to hentai and US erotic animations in the 60s until the 80s?

I know, I have read Miraheze's own content policy. I even read other wikis' policies. But, in my case, I want to include them because other sites don't. I want to document them because of the same reason. However, I know that this can cross some lines here.

My question is, is hentai allowed for "documenting purposes?" I already added a rule in my draft that no screenshots should be made nor links to the images that is NSFW inside the wiki (except of course, if the screenshot falls under the safe-for-work category). Content I may add for these pages includes plot (in as clean as possible wording) and an infobox for details. Also, I added a rule that these works should be tagged under NSFW. Of course, no links to the sites are allowed.

I also want to include hentai's serious questionable content (shotacon, lollicon), again for the purposes stated above, though I fear this may enter the red flag zone. Wikipedia has this, so can I assume that this is also the same here?

Just to be clear, I have no bad intentions. I really want to also document them. If approved, these articles will be under strict observation. I am also writing a guidelines regarding NSFWs (not just hentai). 9Ations (talk) 04:57, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * First, I have moved this discussion from Administrators' noticeboard to here, though stewards' noticeboard would've also likely been an acceptable venue for this question, if preferring a steward answer your question. Second, thank you for your question, and for taking Miraheze's global Content Policy and Code of Conduct policies seriously. To answer your question, yes, NSFW content is fine on Miraheze customer wikis. NSFW disclosures are helpful, and you always have the option of making your wiki private, accessible only to those in the  group on your wiki, too. Nevertheless, that shouldn't be necessary. Miraheze values freedom of speech greatly, and Hentai (an adult form of anime, as I understand it) would definitely be okay for a Miraheze customer wiki (whether public or private). You just need to be mindful of hosting copyrighted material, which may be fine under fair use or fair dealing doctrines, depending on the jurisdiction from which you live. Such doctrines typically require that the material be used in a minimal fashion and for uses related to education, criticism, or review, among other things. That would really be the only concern from what you've described. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 05:34, 29 August 2020 (UTC)