Requests for Comment/Alternatives For Current Loginwiki

I’ve created this RfC following input from other users about the current state of. Some users have expressed a desire to not have global user pages based off Login, because of the name and externality from Meta. As such, I’ve created an RfC to address these concerns and see what can be done to either a) improve ‘s name or b) remove it entirely and/or re-assign its focus.

Proposal 1: Combine Login With Meta
This proposal would be to combine  and , which would result in all new checkusers and logins being registered to Meta. Instead of having an account on Login automatically, it would change the default wiki to Meta. Global user pages would also be shifted to Meta, and as such override current local Meta user pages. When combined,  would then be deleted. This would implement what is currently used at the Wikipedia Foundation, where Meta-Wiki is the hub.

Support

 * 1)  The WMF’s system works well, I don’t see why it can’t be like that for Miraheze. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 14:35, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1)  This does not make any sense from a technical standpoint. Wikimedia also has a loginwiki (login.wikimedia.org) so we do it the same way. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 14:42, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
 * 2)  Even apart from a global user pages, loginwiki is used for technical purposes related to login. — Chrs (talk) 14:59, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
 * 3)  I really don't see a good enough rationale to justify this. Either way, merging them would be quite complex and time consuming for the SRE team and we've also always had this setup because that's how Wikimedia does it and to my knowledge they're the only other wiki farm that uses CentralAuth. The GUP on Meta debate is separate IMO and shouldn't have been merged with the other proposal. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 15:25, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
 * No, Wikimedia uses Meta for global user pages, with editing on loginwiki being strictly locked and having almost no extensions. That's why it's always been a problem since day one for the editing doors on loginwiki to be wide open and loads of extensions for use on userpages. Wikimedia has never had global user pages on loginwiki. Naleksuh (talk) 16:53, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Proposal 2: Create A Global UserPage-Focused Wiki
This proposal would be to create an entirely new, global user page-focused wiki, with the db name. That wiki would be solely for GUP editing. As such,  would become a no-editing environment, and would be used for operations (checkuser, renames, etc.).

Support

 * 1)  I’d be fine with this. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 14:42, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Abstain

 * 1)  No vote on this because I’ve already supported #1 and opposed #3. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 14:36, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1)  Per my oppose in Proposal 1. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 15:28, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Proposal 3: Keep Login Same And Rename
This proposal would be to rename  entirely to   or. There isn’t much to this proposal except to rename.

Abstain

 * 1)  This isn’t hard to do, but no sure if we really want to do it. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 14:42, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1)  Seems like it won’t do much, if I’m being fully honest. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 14:37, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
 * 2)  No good rationale for this. — Chrs (talk) 14:59, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
 * 3)  The wiki is mainly used for technical reasons but additionally gives users the possibility to use GUP. There might be users who find that confusing or annoying but I haven't heard of such complaints personally and feel like naming doesn't do much. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 15:28, 28 June 2022 (UTC)