Meta:Requests for permissions

SoyokoAnis (Wiki creator)

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
 * Though there is no minimum support ratio required for the  bit, and, indeed, the candidate scored a perfect 5/5 in their responses to the questions YellowFrogger posed, the absence of any support arguments precludes approval at this time. The opposing views are incredibly weak and carry relatively little weight to the neutral arguments expressed by several users. Significant Meta Wiki activity is not required, we do have an urgent need for non-English wiki creators, though users should be at least a bit active on Meta Wiki before requesting the   permission. I would suggest translating a few pages in your native language, then reapplying in about thirty (30) days from today, linking to this first request noting your solid Content Policy understanding and Steward assessment, and you should sail through to a clear, probably unanimous, approval. Dmehus (talk) 05:07, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Group: Wiki creator

Reason: I am going to try this again, I understand the policies/per content policy and know that there are hours of requests being stale for hours. Most of my requests are well understood. While I may not have many contributions, I know how Meta operates and can contribute a lot more as a wiki creator to help users get their wiki's made faster. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SoyokoAnis (talk • contribs)

Questions for candidate

 * 1) As we like to show people your knowledge of content policy (as a second chance), answer this quiz (from Agent Isai):
 * Wiki name: "Hero's Journey" Wiki subdomain: herosjourney.miraheze.org Description: "Hero's Journey is an MMO game. Our current wiki is on Fandom but we want to move to Miraheze because it gives us greater freedom. Fandom's policy changes also are concerning because previously acceptable wikis are now all of a sudden closed. We want to move to Miraheze because we can customize our skin and domain."
 * Wiki name: '揭露“猎虎打苍蝇”' Wiki subdomain: zhenxiang.miraheze.org Description: "Help the wiki show the real government policy. Wiki shows all people the real little bear how it is and nature of company."
 * Wiki name: Free for All wiki Wiki subdomain: free4all.miraheze.org Description: "The Free for All Wiki is devoted to let users write about whatever they want! Users can also test MediaWiki at the same time while they write about whatever they want."
 * Wiki name: My Notes Wiki subdomain: semiinotes.miraheze.org Visbility: Private Description: "Private notes for my Seminar II class."
 * Wiki name: 4chan gen wiki Wiki subdomain: 4chanwiki.miraheze.org Description: "General wiki about 4chan. Will discuss and archive all notable 4chan events across all boards. It will include info on the OP and follow ups by the OP to the original post, including trilogies. Will also discuss notorious 4chan users."
 * Wiki name: Hitler in WWII Wiki subdomain: hitlerinwwii.miraheze.org Description: "This wiki will focus on Hitler during World War II. This wiki will go deeper into his thought process according to sources in the matter and will document his ideology change through different periods in his life." --YellowFrogger ( talk ) ( ✔ ) 15:34, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * @YellowFrogger
 * Accepted! May not have a great summary on why it was requested but the wiki on Fandom may make up for it.
 * Unaccepted. For one, the request is not well formed. For two, this wiki is mainly to spready unsubstantiated hate or false information.
 * Unaccepted. User may use the PTW(Public Test Wiki) for those types of edits and does not have a clear scope or purpose.
 * Accepted. Make sure to use the private wiki feature to keep others for editing your notes.
 * Accepted. As long as it follows the content policy and to not spread false rumors or unsourced rumors.
 * SoyokoAnis 17:35, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately you are wrong in #1 and #5. The first only mentions that the wiki is from FANDOM, it doesn't mention the scope around the MMO game, although the wiki creators have the service of knowing the scope of wiki. Generally a the big description is not mentioning the scope of the wiki. The wiki description has to be the scope sentences, not just aggregate, while #5, although you mentioned right "in not insulting hatred against a group of people", you were wrong to accept. We cannot guarantee that a wiki will follow CP, where it quotes: "Content on wikis must be fairly balanced, meaningful or substantiated by independent referencing." . Although you missed two (and didn't answer #6, which I'm still waiting for), the quality is still acceptable by your answers. I suggest that you always re-read the Content Policy to stick in your mind, and, track wiki requests at Special:Log/farmer to see how wiki scopes are met. --YellowFrogger ( talk ) ( ✔ ) 18:03, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * You may also read Guide to writing wiki requests :)  Anpang 📨 10:00, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Discussion
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.


 * 1) You have only 50 edits, an autopatroller on Meta, and an account created in April 2020, but it looks like you only came to contribute now. I won't oppose, but I won't vote support either, as you could have more experience (you just edit from period to period on noticeboards (starts editing in a month and only goes back to editing several months later)). In doing so, you would demonstrate that you are credible and aware of the content policy, which is more important for a wiki creator, than asking for the rights late. --YellowFrogger  ( talk ) ( ✔ ) 15:16, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * 2) per WP:NOTNOW - As pointed out by YellowFrogger, you have 50 (57 as of writing) edits on Meta. I would like to see some more engagement locally such as on the noticeboards before applying for wiki creator.  Agent Isai  Talk to me! 18:40, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * @Agent Isai If you don't mind me asking, how would engaging in noticeboards help my request to wiki creator? I see it, wiki creators jobs are to accept or decline wikis based on if they would match with the content policy and their summaries and scope. I would love to be active on noticeboards, but questions ask may be too confusing to answer for me. SoyokoAnis  22:04, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Replying to noticeboards is a way to help beyond just making edits. Of course this doesn't have much to do with wiki creations, but it's to show that you participate in a community way. If you find it too difficult (the questions), answer the ones you know or go contribute in another way (translation, if you know another language, mini edits, Phabricator). Unfortunately it is. There are some that I don't understand and I leave it to other editors. So when it's a simple question like: "How do I change the name of my wiki", all experienced editors know this and it doesn't hurt to answer: "You can change the name of your wiki in Special:ManageWiki/core", that's it., did the service on the noticeboard. But I have to agree that the most important discipline for the wiki creator is content policy and trust. --YellowFrogger ( talk ) ( ✔ ) 22:33, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * , unfortunately. Very less active on meta. Like Agent, I would also like to see you active on Meta before requesting the rights. --Magogre (talk) 18:55, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * 1)  You're not exactly that active enough though. Your request definitely looks noble on paper, but the amount of edits you have currently isn't exactly sufficient enough to get the wiki creator rights you're looking though. My advice, stick around, make some good contributions, and you'll be all set to go from there. :) --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 00:01, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * 2)  got 2 of the questions above wrong and not active  Anpang 📨  09:57, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * 3)  not necessarily for getting questions outright 'wrong', but because the logic in answering to me doesn't hold up. That's really the key here, as a strong line of thought for me is key and there are certain accept/decline reasons  you can only understand by being more familiar with the conventions of wiki creators, some of which are entirely unwritten. But there is a clear lack of Meta engagement (a key point for a wiki creator). A somewhat bouncy wiki request history including a transparent drive to create a network of wikis that I assume would be a central objective of attaining this right. And a lack of evidence both on Meta and beyond of being particularly familiar with platform policy, conventions and good practices. I would be uncomfortable supporting this without a large demonstration of change. It's not a matter of requesting intermittently until you're accepted. It's a clear change from the conditions that caused people to oppose in the first place. I see no such change. --Raidarr (talk) 10:14, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The questions are designed to test your familiarity with politics, content policy, which is the only discipline to a WC, even so, most of the requests are rejected for lack of overview of the scope, if you got anything wrong with that, it's a problem, and the important thing is this user's wiki requests lately. As for the amount of edits it wouldn't matter if you were a WMF editor. I don't suggest waiting for "such months", or that it's "early" and such nonsense, instead, I suggest you participate more in the community by joining our IRC or Discord channels, help in some way on Phabricator or in any way on-wiki to gain the necessary trust and show an understanding of the policy. Even so, I miss a Miraheze that is less bureaucratic, fair and with second chances. Of course, what I agree with is that the bigger the better. There shouldn't be this thinking of numbers, "there's already too much", from users. In my opinion, I always expect more wiki creators. --YellowFrogger ( talk ) ( ✔ ) 19:10, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * As for the questions, they were not as wrong as mentioned. This is the smallest of all, and furthermore it is handled by automatic messages provided by the extension itself. I don't see a great urgency in this. --YellowFrogger ( talk ) ( ✔ ) 19:13, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * In part I'm not sure what you're responding to in part, but as for what I'm parsing; I think the importance of the questions has equal measure in how they are answered as well as being answered correctly or incorrectly, which at times can be incredibly subjective between existing WCs and does come up rather often. There are variables I would rather have in the process, being manual, than not having so turnaround for acceptance is nothing. As it is the expectation is to review each submission in full and with some gravity, and I don't believe that's always done well as it is. Thus new participants are always welcome, but my acceptance requires various conditions per above striving for quality of acceptance. A second chance is always on the table, if there is a reasonable balance of time and actual change from what was refused the first time. How that balances out is up to each voter. But I think to dive more deeply in this we should direct the conversation to my talk page if it's my discretion being questioned, or the wiki creator talk page if the standards themselves are up to open discussion. I do think there is evidence of differing standards even in neutral/opposition. --Raidarr (talk) 20:36, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * 1)  The only reason I'm opposed is that there is less Meta activity. Contribute to Meta or Miraheze in general by checking noticeboards and assisting other users with issues related to wiki creation, It will help you demonstrate your grasp of policies. With these, you should be good to go anytime you believe you are. --   Joseph  TB  CT  CA   10:29, 22 January 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section

Arcversin (Administrator)

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
 * Withdrawn — Arcversin (talk) 04:19, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Group: Administrator

Reason: I would like to make myself available to the community as an administrator so that I can help ensure that administrative/maintenance tasks, such as page deletion, are carried out expeditiously, and that vandalism is dealt with as quickly as possible. Furthermore, I have experience with abuse filters, so I'll be able to help out with their development/maintenance. I have two-factor authentication enabled for anyone that's wondering. — Arcversin (talk) 00:05, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Questions for candidate
I'd like to see you citing the policies. I don't think we should have a limitation on the number of admins (it's ridiculous to say that "we already have many admins and we don't need more", when in fact it's not). Can you answer the questions below? — Arcversin (talk) 01:09, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) Why are you interested in becoming an admin? And what are your goals with it? I'd like to see you delve into this.
 * 2) Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress?
 * 3) If you come to a situation where you block a bad user, but an admin goes and unblocks it, what would you do? --YellowFrogger  ( talk ) ( ✔ ) 00:23, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * 4) I'm interested in becoming an admin because it means that I would be able to serve the Miraheze community in additional functions, such as dealing with vandals (beyond reverts), mediating (local) disputes, working with abuse filters, and processing administrative requests (i.e. deletes, no-redirect moves, etc).
 * 5) I'll assume this isn't referring to obvious vandals/LTAs. I'm lucky enough to have not been one of the parties to a serious conflict between users, but I've seen enough of those on the Meta noticeboards to know that it's best to deal with such disputes by remaining calm and responding in a thought-out, collected manner, assuming good faith to the greatest reasonable extent.
 * 6) I'd need to know more information about that scenario before I can give a concrete answer, because the proper mode of action in such a situation is highly dependent on the exact details of such an incident. What I can say, however, is that I would not reinstate the block, as that would be wheel warring.
 * 1) I've asked you to read the comments before acting on a wiki request before, you seem to refuse. Being a sysop both requires reception to stuff like that, and taking care in actions and not rushing/making too many mistakes. Would you like to say more on why you refuse to read comments and act directly on requeusts on hold? Naleksuh (talk) 01:36, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * With regards to the requests that were "on hold", I acted on those requests because they were still classified as "in review", which left their status unclear, as generally convention had been to decline a request if a response was required. As convention has changed regarding "on hold" requests, I'm not going to do that in the future. — Arcversin (talk) 02:03, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) Can you identify administrative backlog(s) on Meta or user request(s) which have taken too long to receive a response? Where are they documented, and what is your process to identify and find them?  dross  (t • c • g) 03:00, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * They're generally made at the Administrators' noticeboard, though in my experience they'll sometimes get posted on the Community noticeboard. Checking the various noticeboards is routine for me, and they show up in the IRC feeds along with the rest of the recent changes, which I can use to ensure speedy response times. Luckily, we haven't had much of an administrative backlog recently, but there were times where responses could take a day or two. — Arcversin (talk) 03:17, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Any specific requests of note which took too long to receive a response? dross  (t • c • g) 03:20, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, off the top of my head, there were a couple of requests for inactivity exemptions that took a couple of days to be processed (still on SN actually), though that's an admin thing. There's also Category:Candidates for deletion (another place requests are located, by the way), which currently has a request to delete a userpage subpage that's been sitting for almost a day. As I mentioned, Meta doesn't have much of a problem with excessive backlogs, but things like this do occasionally happen. — Arcversin (talk) 03:36, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Discussion
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.


 * 1)  Not sure how to go about this one here. Sorry. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 02:23, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * So, I'm really not seeing any need for this bit with this user at this time. I did some extensive digging through Arcversin's contributions and logged actions, and apparently most of the user's work is in wiki creation with a small amount of evidence of countervandalism (though, I understand Meta vandalism tends to be relatively rare in general). I respect Arcversin, and appreciate all the work this user does. Unfortunately, I don't see any evidence of any actions on Meta which would be enhanced by access to sysop tools. Please, point me to any evidence I may have missed of past work which would be enhanced by sysop tools. Otherwise, I feel that there is no need for sysop at this time. dross  (t • c • g) 02:36, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * My primary need for administrative tools would be in handling requests and situations that I come across whilst monitoring for wiki requests, which I would not otherwise be able to handle. This includes dealing with vandals (which, as you mentioned, are much less common on Meta), requests to delete a page, and in general the assortment of tasks, requests, and situations that one comes across whilst monitoring activity on Meta. — Arcversin (talk) 02:53, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your response! I've also added a question above. dross  (t • c • g) 03:01, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * While I understand that, the remaining factor here is you have less than 500 edits here on Meta (which isn't a problem on its own), which isn't what I would call sufficient enough. You may have good intentions for applying as an administrator of Meta, but maybe when you commute more to Meta (like I have been), then I would definitely support you there. There's always more opportunities out there for you. Now don't me wrong everyone, I'm not trying to say that what Arcversin is doing isn't good enough, but I'm just saying that he could help out more by getting involved in community voting. Just a thought. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 11:30, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * 1)  Per Dross and only an editcount of 195, has some trust so I'm voting weakest.  Anpang 📨  02:49, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * 2)  Well, our number of administrators is large, but most of them could be more active, and it doesn't matter if we have a lot. Users have an ugly habit of saying that "they already have a lot, and they don't need more", when in fact it is not so. I'd like to see you say you're aware of the policies, yet take my vote of support (for I've never had a problem with you and my boldness in wanting more administrators). Maybe this user doesn't like (or is apt to be GS/S), he is more apt to be an administrator in Meta. --YellowFrogger  ( talk ) ( ✔ ) 03:19, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * 3)  As it has been said in the comments before me I would like to thank Arcversin for all his work on Meta and that I am sure is appreciated by everyone. That being said I am not currently convinced that Arcversin has fully demonstrated what he would do with the tools and also (as Dross mentions above) that his past experience demonstrates that he has a particular need for the tools. In addition to this, I do not currently think it is very necessary to add a new administrator to Meta at this time. Meta is regrettablly still not a very large project yet and does not seem to attract a lot of vandalism or other things that would require rapid administrator action. While it can certainly be argued that out of the current 8 Meta administrators 3 are extremely inactive, in my opinion even 5 administrators would currently be enough to handle the very light workload that arises from Meta as far as I am able to see. If a better case is presented for why the tools are needed and why the current administrators are not enough to handle the workload of Meta I would be willing to reconsider this. Keep up the good work. --DeeM28 (talk) 06:18, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * 4)  While I want to praise them for wanting to help the project out, I just don't see a need for another administrator just yet either. Additionally, I would like to see them have more contributions here before being able to support, unfortunately.  Hypercane  (  talk ) 08:00, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * 5) ; I don't think there is a competency or trust issue here, but rather skepticism on the ability to routinely follow up on the promised topics and the necessity of the permissions. In other words the activity is consistent in terms of coming eventually, but not persistent in a way that convinces me things will routinely be addressed much more quickly. There are around 4-5 admins at the moment who I do think carry the current workload well enough even if some details need to be manually reminded from time to time (ie, Category:Candidates for deletion is due for review). I think that's more of a priority/visibility problem easily fixed with a quick note and developing the habit than an activity one necessitating more hands on deck. The AbuseFilter competence is a good argument and something I'd like to see, but I'm not sure if that alone will carry the vote per other opinions above. Overall I'm ambivalent on this request and feel that Meta needs more vision and collaboration than janitorial workers in an admin capacity at this time. --Raidarr (talk) 23:18, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * 6) Many oppositions, with the argument that we have many administrators. If I were you, at least I would close the discussion, and, in a few months, try to apply with other more useful rights if you continue to contribute. Edit more and have increased global activity. --YellowFrogger  ( talk ) ( ✔ ) 23:23, 2 February 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section

Magogre (Administrator)
<div class="boilerplate metadata discussion-archived" style="background-color: #F2F4FC; margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #aaa">
 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
 * Withdrawing. Thank you everyone for participating.

Group: Administrator

Reason: Hello. I am. I am a Miraheze regular since June last year but I have been around since March 2021 using the accounts which are listed on my loginwiki userpage (near the bottom). I am among the most active Miraheze meta users and active in helping users on CN and SN. Apart from that I work as a patroller and a member of wiki creator team. I am also the most active translation administrator on meta (pagetranslation log) and this is the area where I most often come to need the tools. I would like to request adminship because there are not many active admins and many of them are either rarely seen or a part of MH SRE. I believe being a sysop will help me to serve the community in more effective way. To be able to do the minor copyedits related to translation administration like updating tvar syntax (on protected pages) and other general cleanup like deleting abandoned translation units (listing them on AN is a pretty tedious and time consuming task), etc would be great. I already have most noticeboards under my watchlist and would like to help in the regular meta maintenance too, if elected. Thanks, Magogre (talk) 07:38, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Questions for candidate

 * 1) You indicated that requests are consistently fulfilled by current administrators through means of noticeboards and discussions pages. It has also been very clear within the community that more WikiJanitors are not necessary on Meta. What can you or do you bring to Meta as an administrator that the other administrators cannot or do not?
 * A: Thanks for the question, . I agree that the administrative work on meta goes smoothly and we currently have 8 sysops but there is nonetheless the less activity of admins in translation related work. We have many full-protected pages still using the old translation syntax which needs to be updated and as I indicated in my nomination, I am already active in translation administration of Meta-Wiki as a translation admin. But that alone isn't something why I am nominating myself for adminship. I can handle the requests like these myself (there are still many pages like these on meta). I am an active meta user and often need the tools to better perform the translation work. I do not believe that we don't need more admins, it won't hurt to have additional set of eyes looking at Meta. --Magogre (talk) 09:56, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * If you can name the pages, we can lower protection for a bit or you could do it in a subpage? ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  10:03, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * If you are referring to me,, I did requested a meta admin to update and fix the Request features page (diff) but the page wasn't updated and is still broken. Magogre (talk) 11:17, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I lowered the protection there. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  11:45, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * .Yes, there are many protected pages that should not be protected, at least semi-protected to give accessibility to users who want to contribute and have no rights. --<span style="background:linear-gradient(90deg,#89005E,#89005E, #FF00AF); -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">YellowFrogger ( talk ) ( ✔ ) 17:10, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * The extent of used protection is a subject that would need a larger discussion due to how systemic it is and how it has been maintained by the Meta administration continuously with only deliberate exceptions so far. In other words a matter for Meta consensus, as much of the rationale behind this request is in fact a matter of current admin practice, not a lack of activity or will when pointed in the needed direction. ---Raidarr (talk) 20:55, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * , Do you plan to proceed with this request? --<span style="background:linear-gradient(90deg,#89005E,#89005E, #FF00AF); -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">YellowFrogger ( talk ) ( ✔ ) 17:13, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Discussion
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section

YellowFrogger (Wiki creator)
<div class="boilerplate metadata discussion-archived" style="background-color: #F2F4FC; margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #aaa">
 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
 * With three (3) active Meta Wiki community members opposing this permissions request, and the requestor unable to overcome their valid concerns, a successful outcome is extremely unlikely. As such, I'm closing this request, so as not to waste any more of community members' limited time. As indicated by several users, the requestor is well advised to wait a significant period of time before requesting permissions on Meta Wiki or globally, and again seek out a willing mentor who would, in turn, nominate them upon successful completion of the mentorship. Further permissions requests that merely amount to hat collecting and which aim to waste the community's time may be met with a partial block. Dmehus (talk) 01:15, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Group: Wiki creator Reason: Hello Mirahezians! I hereby request the hat of Wiki creator. Given my knowledge already tested by users like, I think I'm ready to volunteer. I will use it responsibly, especially since this is the most interesting form of contribution, at least for me, I don't like any hat other than WC. I also don't want to collect hats — sorry if I give that impression, what I especially want is the goal of creating a more efficient wiki, although that's not on purpose. I have relatively reasonably good knowledge of the Content Policy, where requests will be reviewed on that accountability basis. I also confirm a knowledge of the more in-depth policies: Terms of Use, Dormancy policy, etc. although these have nothing to do with the act of creating wikis and analyzing them. There was an episode recently where I created a shortcut, and, I didn't know it was appropriate especially due to the lack of information, which resulted in my hats being revised [revoked] precisely, where I was also cheering for this to happen so that I can review all my actions - whether future or present, a steward assured it will be restored after issk. I agree that, I should be ordering later, it hasn't been 1 month since the last time I applied, but the main key, for me, is the experience. Experience in politics, CSS, wiki code, and some other future stuff we've learned over time. To point out a few more things, I try my best and do, helping users in noticeboards, translations, requests for adoption and other areas that I will plan in the future, all of good faith. I've been an active contributor since September 2021 and look forward to more as time goes on — learning from mistakes, as in the recent case, with all of us deserving of a second chance. I was waiting 8/9 PM at night (in my time zone) and we're here, ready for the wiki creator bit. I look forward to a constructive community reception and that, if you can, please feel free to submit questions. Thanks! --<span style="background:linear-gradient(90deg,#89005E,#89005E, #FF00AF); -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">YellowFrogger ( talk ) ( ✔ ) 23:45, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Questions for candidate

 * 1)  Why did you pursue a self-nomination for this permission, instead of having your mentor, Raidarr, nominate you? Dmehus (talk) 00:02, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, I should have done it (description he would give, etc.) just lacking the courage. This RfP has already been sent, and the only way is to see Raidarr ask questions for a form of proof of my experiences in the area. I also don't know if asking for self-nomination is against the rules: it might not be, but since there's no page about it, I'm not sure, not even looking at the Wikipedia essays. --<span style="background:linear-gradient(90deg,#89005E,#89005E, #FF00AF); -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">YellowFrogger ( talk ) ( ✔ ) 00:07, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * YellowFrogger, I'm afraid I don't follow. What do you mean by you "should have done it [...] just lacking the courage"? As I recall, I strongly recommended you seek out a mentor, which you did, and then, ideally, have your mentor nominate you, or at least be a first !voter so they can express their confidence in your abilities. This does not seem to be the case here, so I'm just wondering (a) why the rush and (b) why another self-nomination, given the advice expressed to you? Self-nominations aren't against the rules; this is just more of a recommendation for you, to have someone with the "street cred" backing you up. I also question your assertion that the "only way to see" is to have Raidarr ask you questions; you're both active on Discord, so I don't see why you couldn't ask him, "Hey, am I ready to run for wiki creator, and will you nominate me?" Dmehus (talk) 00:13, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * The intention was not bad, but it seems that it came out that way by accident. The courage I was referring to about requesting: I don't want to give the impression that I'm just using it to gain rights or a name on a wiki. In theory it may not look bad, but for the person it is a slight challenge. It's embarrassing, to say the least. I agree that I should have done this and also with the practice of haste: as you can see in my edits, I'm on Meta every day, but it seems like 1 month has passed. I have to say admitting that I seem rushed, but this is the third time (first time in November, where most users cited it was early and should wait 2-3 months. November = February = 4/3 months). --<span style="background:linear-gradient(90deg,#89005E,#89005E, #FF00AF); -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">YellowFrogger ( talk ) ( ✔ ) 00:25, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Agreed, YellowFrogger, this was done in haste. I think, in your first request, some users were quick to express opposition without giving you a chance. Nevertheless, the path you were on was a good one; seek a mentor, which you did, and have your mentor nominate you. Continuing to flip flop after "partially retiring," then unretiring, all in the same day, is a bad look for you. Additionally, requesting permissions too frequently and without thought arguably necessitates a partial block on Meta Wiki from Requests for permissions, Requests for global rights, and Requests for Stewardship, at least for a few months, as otherwise, this continues to waste the community's time. I hope it doesn't come to that, but if a request was made at Administrators' noticeboard from a member of the community, I would not be able to defend not doing that. Dmehus (talk) 00:30, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Everything analyzed. I will not ask for any rights. I just want to improve the site in some way — the wiki creator in this, oddly enough, is a way for me. Especially a block on RfS and RfGR wouldn't be necessary, for the fact that, I would just like to be a WC, which in this case should be on the RfP page, and I think GS/steward is too much and I don't plan on that. I affirm that I will not request until the estimated time or have someone make a request for me. Really no reason to request rights in a hurry, which I already have a thought about it, very well known by the page hat collecting and seems to distrust the community. I request rights to seek some form of contribution beyond noticeboards and RfAs. --<span style="background:linear-gradient(90deg,#89005E,#89005E, #FF00AF); -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">YellowFrogger ( talk ) ( ✔ ) 00:53, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * 1)  Thank you for volunteering. Out of sheer curiosity, why are you applying for wiki creator right now just after your autopatrolled was revoked for lacking competence and after you semi-retired? If anything, this request is looking a bit rash and hasty. Why did you pick to make this request right now?  Agent Isai  Talk to me! 00:28, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * My autopatrolled was also considered by the self-request impulse. I had already admitted to Dmehus that I needed to have my rights revoked for a few blunders. Today was more of a surprise. I didn't know that the shortcut was not valid on these types of pages, but I kept going a few times, which caused it. Also, I already canceled my partial resign, in which I was thinking about the lack of time, the main thing, but I saw that it is possible to change that. On the same page, I had stated that I would like to volunteer as a Wiki creator more than a few rights: GS, and even steward. As this has already been sent and I don't want to withdrawn, I will wait. If it fails, I will request it in 4 months by asking another user as directed by Dmehus. Greetings. --<span style="background:linear-gradient(90deg,#89005E,#89005E, #FF00AF); -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">YellowFrogger ( talk ) ( ✔ ) 00:39, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Administrative note: The removal of  in January was a self-request; the removal today of   was not a self-requested removal. It was a for cause removal by a Meta administrator. YellowFrogger is thanked for agreeing with the removal, though. Dmehus (talk) 00:44, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Discussion
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * 1) Nothing has changed, if anything it has only gotten worse since your last request. I see this request was filed just 5 hours after your autopatrolled permission was revoked and you were given a CIR warning, with this request being filed just hours later. Also, just like last time, your previous unsuccessful request is still on this page at Requests_for_permissions. I would recommend that you wait a significant period of time (i.e. 6 months, not <1 month) before requesting again, making sure there are not new issues raised. And certainly not filing a request for new permissions just hours after this. Naleksuh (talk) 00:19, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * 2) I'm sorry, but the nominator has gotten their autopatrolled flag taken off just hours earlier, making me oppose this up front for the moment. Also, their questionable behavior from Discord left a bad taste in my mouth. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 00:47, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * "Questionable behavior" was more of a joke of mine. Friendly users do this, especially in chat and reply apps, like Agent did talking about trademark/NFT. It shouldn't be taken seriously and I didn't shoot anyone. --<span style="background:linear-gradient(90deg,#89005E,#89005E, #FF00AF); -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">YellowFrogger ( talk ) ( ✔ ) 00:58, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I wasn't making an implification whatsoever about you shooting anyone. It's just that the joke wasn't funny at all. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 01:04, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with the unfunny joke, but didn't need to hold a grudge about it. It was a joke to HCaptcha and reCAPTCHA that it is, really slowing down a lot of users. --<span style="background:linear-gradient(90deg,#89005E,#89005E, #FF00AF); -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">YellowFrogger ( talk ) ( ✔ ) 01:11, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * 1)  Per Naleksuh - it's been less than a month since your last request (and you never understand the word "per") <span style="display:inline-block;border:2px solid #bfff00;border-radius:8px;background-image:linear-gradient(to bottom right, #75ff75, #ffff80)"> Anpang 📨  01:08, 14 February 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section