Community noticeboard

Vote
Okay, ladies and gentlemen, I have a question for you: should we have a wiki on here like the Wiki Gazetteer on FANDOM? Put your vote in the headings below! And remember to sign your posts with ~. Tali64³ (talk) 20:33, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes

 * 1) Why not? This would not be a bad idea for someone looking for a specific wiki. --TFFfan (talk) 21:57, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 2) per  InspecterAbdel (talk) 21:16, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 3) I strongly support this because we can find more specific wikis.  CircleyDoesExtracter  ( Circley Talk  |  Global   |  Email the Cloud ) 21:31, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 4) I'm not opposed to this idea, in theory, and I do think that we need to rethink Gazetteer of wikis given that we have ~3,800 current wikis (which is too large for a single page). My main concern, which I expressed in declining the wiki request, was that this may suffer from lack of maintenance and timely updates. As well, by siphoning it away from Meta, we now have yet another wiki we have to somehow promote, so that sort of defeats the purpose of a gazetteer of wikis designed to promote customers' public wikis, doesn't it? Secondarily, I honestly think a better way to go about this is to add additional functionality and data output to the automated list, Special:WikiDiscover. That said, it's a good-faith idea, in theory and if well-maintained, so that is why I am expressing some support, albeit weak. Dmehus (talk) 23:18, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

No

 * I don't see the need for an entire wiki like this. We already have a page here on meta, Gazetteer of wikis. And in all honesty, a page on meta will most likely be given more notice than another external wiki that some will never visit. As such I am opposing this idea. While a good thought I don't see the need for it. I mean if you want it, go for you, but I don't think it should be a community wiki at all. 15:01, 13 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * There are wikis currently on Miraheze, too big to list on one page. An administrator could put a link to it on the main page. Tali64³ (talk) 16:35, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * We also have Special:WikiDiscover which lists every wiki on Miraheze. 14:18, 16 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |


 * Not needed.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 06:29, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 1)  if there were a lot of people to add entries for wikis with short descriptions that would work for me but right now I think that the Meta gazeteer is enough and is helpful. DeeM28 (talk) 07:33, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Discussion

 * 1) I'm currently been slowly working on a similar idea over the past month or two just documenting wikis: the Wikiverse. dibbydib 23:38, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 2) As a Miraheze wiki creator, when this wiki truly passes through us for approval (I have recently accidentally approved this wiki sent in by, which due to the ongoing discussion and the incorrect subdomain is currently pending steward review for deletion), it is important for us to know when to approve the wiki and who will be creating it. Therefore, who will be the founding Bureaucrat of the wiki if it passes community discussion?  14:59, 13 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * I would be the founder. Tali64³ (talk) 23:23, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * When having community discussions like these, who will be the founder is among what should be discussed. I believe who should be the founder should be among what is discussed here. Thanks! 02:10, 15 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * 1) Relisting for another couple of weeks. Dmehus (talk) 05:20, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

A new wiki for the website's community
The Miraheze Community Wiki is a wiki for the community so people can get to know each other and welcome each other. I know Meta does that, but I think we need a wiki for that stuff.

Support

 * 1) I think we need a wiki for this kind of thing InspecterAbdel (talk) 22:44, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 2) but not per any of the above or below, but because community noticeboard has become a catch-all for technical support questions, community discussions, and really anything. The organization is weak, and we could use a community wiki. I have no objections to it, but the main reason for my oppose  weak support here is because the purpose is somewhat vague and unclear. I appreciate  bringing this for a community discussion, though, and, since this wiki was simultaneously submitted for approval and created already, I think we should probably shift this wiki towards defining a clear purpose and terms of reference for its existence and the parameters by which the local   can be removed (via Community noticeboard) here on Meta. Dmehus (talk) 14:55, 28 July 2020 (UTC)  Amended. Moved from weak oppose to weak support Dmehus (talk) 15:31, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Abstain

 * 1) I really like to have a community wiki for new users to gather, although we have a Community noticeboard.  CircleyDoesExtracter  ( Circley Talk  |  Global   |  Email the Cloud ) 17:09, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) . No, we don't need such a wiki.  This page ("community noticeboard") is exactly for this kind of thing.  I don't want to have to check both this page and a dedicated wiki to find out what is happening on the wiki farm, nor learn how such a wiki is organized.   04:25, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 2) Per Spike. There is already not enough engagement and usage on Meta, so another wiki is really not what we need. We should focus on Meta. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 06:08, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 3) . We DO NOT need a community wiki is needed at this time. We already have this page, the community noticeboard, and Requests for Permissions, requests for global rights and requests for stewardship. It seems that it would serve the same service as as most of this meta wiki, and I just see no possible usage for this. I also agree with the comments that has made about having to go back and forth between meta and a community wiki. Sorry, it is just not going to work. --TFFfan (talk) 15:10, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm hoping you'll consider amending your !vote, per my comments above, as I really don't think 's goal was for this wiki to replace Meta. The problem with this request is that (a) the wiki shouldn't have been created without a community discussion (not, technically, a requirement, as far as I'm aware, but good practice) and (b) it should've had a clearer purpose, scope, and defined parameters, as we are doing with Dev Wiki and have done with Template Wiki and Miraheze Commons in the past. No community proposals or discussions, or even drafts of such proposals, would've occurred on this wiki. Rather, as I saw it (though vague and unclear), this wiki was meant to be a user collaboration and social connection wiki that would've actually sought to deepen community participation. Participation in this community wiki would've been completely voluntary and not participating would not have meant the user would "miss out" on important community discussions, as I don't think that was ever the intent behind 's good-faith proposal. Dmehus (talk) 15:27, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 1)  Not needed.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 06:34, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)  I do not think another wiki is necessary for the community because for me Meta is the wiki for the community. DeeM28 (talk) 07:30, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Comments

 * Relist to delay archiving. I will be posting an updated proposal on next steps in the next several days. Dmehus (talk) 02:30, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Relist to delay archiving. I will be posting an updated proposal on next steps in the next several days. Dmehus (talk) 01:36, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Relist to delay archiving. I will be posting an updated proposal on next steps in the next several days. Dmehus (talk) 05:21, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Usage of the "commentadmin" right by Global sysops
While technically, since one of the duties of Global sysops is countervandalism they should be given this right on wikis where the Comments extension is enabled, it hasn't been clearly decided. It would be absurd to create an RfC just for that, so I propose a discussion here. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 16:09, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Support

 * 1)  Per my reasoning above, a lot of vandalism is committed using the Comments extension and this would allow us to quickly remove it. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 16:08, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)  per  as nom. I wouldn't say it would be absurd, though, to do an RfC; however, I completely agree that a community discussion, lasting roughly for at least seven (7) calendar days, should be all that is required. We might possibly want to coordinate together on a possible future RfC that outlines when an RfC versus a community discussion should be used. DM me on Discord, and I can share some ideas I have on that. Dmehus (talk) 16:12, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Agree that this is a policy discussion and should be left open for 7 days. Agree that it is better to have a rule than a guess whether an RfC is called for.   01:15 18-Aug-2020
 * 1)  Because vandalism on the comments is common, having "commentadmin" rights for the global sysop will help things.  CircleyDoesExtracter  ( Circley Talk  |  Global   |  Email the Cloud ) 18:10, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)  Cocopuff2018  03:49, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 3) .  I haven't used the Comments extension but agree in principle that those entrusted to fight vandalism should have access to everywhere that vandalism could occur.  Over, say, a new cadre created solely to police this one extension!   01:08 18-Aug-2020
 * 4)  --GondorChicken (talk) 19:55, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 5) per Reception Zppix (Meta &#124; CVT Member &#124; talk to me) 20:03, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 6)  Must be approved, it's extremely needed.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 07:42, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

About Google captcha
Miraheze currently uses the verification code provided by Google. However, since Google Corporation withdrew from the Chinese market, the government blocked all its translation except the translation. It led to the fact that users in mainland China could not register or add the external chain. Chinese mainland was prohibited from making use of VPN. So miraheze could change a verification service provider in People's Republic of China? I don't know how to use English well，so I use the MT.Can Miraheze use other captcha？城市酸儒文人挖坑 (talk) 03:05, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It would probably be easier to send an email to  with the requested username, and we will generate it for the user and their temporary password will be sent by email. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 06:38, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you！But sometimes no one can help them sign up for email, and it's also a problem for new users to add external links to the page.城市酸儒文人挖坑 (talk) 06:59, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I am sure someone would be able to help the new users sign up, if they wish they can contact me and I will take care of it. As for external links, you may add the "skipcaptcha" right to a group in Special:ManageWiki/permissions and assign that group to them; that will allow them to skip the captcha for external links. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 07:17, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * So how do you defend against machine damage?Perhaps you can use the same verification code provider as the SCP Foundation.城市酸儒文人挖坑 (talk) 09:51, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I remind you that Chinese hates bureaucracy, posing, dogmatism, and you're starting to do it, and I have to wonder how efficient Miraheze is, and westerners have always been very efficient, because some administer, I'm starting to think that Westerners are inefficient! Please pay attention! The people of the communist society hate the above behavior! Some users may have to switch to other wiki farms because of their efficiency!城市酸儒文人挖坑 (talk) 10:06, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you, but this administrator is too inefficient to give a complete solution to the problem, and please take a look at the tech@miraheze.org received!城市酸儒文人挖坑 (talk) 11:16, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Unable to reopen wiki
The Special:ManageWiki page looks like this: https://i.imgur.com/vnRgBYd.png

I created that wiki and I'm an Administrator there (https://i.imgur.com/hLcew7L.png), but I can't change anything on that page.

I apologize in advance in case there's something obvious I'm missing...

AquaVirus (talk) 08:36, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * By default, only bureaucrat is allowed to make changes from ManageWiki. The administrator cannot manage. That wiki is private, I can't see current setting. Ask Steward to reopen that wiki or ask them to give you a bureaucrat right at Stewards' noticeboard. --そらたこ (talk) 10:57, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * you should now have permission to reopen the wiki. -- Void  Whispers 16:54, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Local interwiki admin
Some wikis may be dependent on a lot of different sites that they need to import, and because stewards and GSs are not available anytime, it is possible that we allow wiki bureaucrats to use the interwiki right, or we make the interwiki right available on managewiki. ThesenatorO5-2 (talk) 10:39, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
 * While the interwiki table is likely the underlying data source for the  function within the   configuration file, this is not the primary purpose of Special:Interwiki. The main purpose of Special:Interwiki is to link to external websites using wikilinks and to simplify the linking process in templates. Additionally, it is possible to request local interwiki administrator, the current requirements for which require that a local election or selection/appointment process occur on the wiki being requested and the requesting user hold   rights on that wiki. Once your local election or selection process is complete, consistent with your local rules (or global customs and conventions, where no local rules exist), you would return to Meta and, specifically, to Stewards' noticeboard, linking to the local election thread and a steward will assess your election. If you just need a few links added to your local interwiki table, any interwiki administrator (including yours truly) can do this upon request on this noticeboard. Unfortunately, potential security concerns exist with allowing local bureaucrats to grant local interwiki administrator; however, I am planning on drafting, in a future RfC (within the next month or so), some changes regarding interwiki administration; however, a steward will, unfortunately, still be required to grant and remove this right, given what I've articulated here. Hope this helps.
 * Regarding template importation, you can also use Special:Export first on the wiki from which you wish to import and import, and upload via the  option as opposed to transwiki importation, as an alternative to adding that site to your local interwiki table and then doing the GitHub pull request to update   for your wiki. Dmehus (talk) 14:42, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh. I got it. But there are some discussions in IRC about me and the co-founder having IWA rights, can that be suitable? ThesenatorO5-2 (talk) 00:12, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you mean for local interwiki administrator election or selection purposes? If so, I would say likely no because these sort of things should be done, ideally, on-wiki (on the local wiki) for transparency purposes. As well, the steward may wish to link directly to the diff page in their grant of local rights. Please ensure you are familiar with the interwiki administrators policy, that the right can be revoked without warning by a steward of any user who adds a malicious website to Special:Interwiki, and that you are both bureaucrats on your wiki. Dmehus (talk) 00:22, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I can have screenshots of that IRC discussion uploaded to my wiki as evidence, and both me and that user are bureaucrats of that wiki. Also, I am familiar with the IWA policy. ThesenatorO5-2 (talk) 00:32, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry if this feels like bureaucracy, but you need to create an election page of some sort on your wiki, stating the usernames of the  users requesting local interwiki administrator, the number of positions up for election or appointment, and some indication from those users (i.e., on-wiki signatures) and any others indicating their support. When that's concluded, you need to link to that page on your Stewards' noticeboard discussion. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 00:41, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * OK having other members come and add sigs. ThesenatorO5-2 (talk) 00:45, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That's great. I think that's best. Make sure you state how many positions are to be appointed or elected, and whether this is an appointment or election process. If the latter, you'll need to state things like the election duration, support ratio for successful election, and have users express a view of support or opposition for the candidates. Dmehus (talk) 00:50, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Forgot to mention that this wiki has only 4 users plus one inactive (They cannot use a VPN so I created accounts for them), and it will be an appointment.
 * Okay, fair enough, since your wiki has a limited number of users, and the appointment process should be fine. However, if there are state-imposed restrictions preventing their editing, or they're affected by a global IP block, they can, and should, request a global IP block exemption from stewards via e-mail to . Please ensure this message is passed along to them. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 00:58, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks.

Add entries to the IW table
Please add mojang.com, scpwiki.com and wikidot.com to scpwikimc.miraheze.org's IW table. I am gathering those other users to state their opinions on the page relevant to my IWA rights, but before they made a statement I would still need these entries. thanks. ThesenatorO5-2 (talk) 02:13, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * First, I have moved this discussion from Stewards' noticeboard to here, where it is now in scope. Second, are you wanting the root domains added, requiring you to add the full page URL following the backslash as your page name in your wikilinks? And is this for transwiki importing or just for wikilinks? If the former, a GitHub PR request will need to be as well. Finally, what prefixes do you wish to use? Dmehus (talk) 02:20, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

How do I add Links to the sidebar and create Interlanguage pages
I didn't find a way to add the 'Links' section to the side bar, and couldn't create Interlanguage pages. I want to create a page, with multiple versions in different languages, and have them available on the sidebar. I tried adding page_name but it just showed as a link on the page and when I clicked it this created a whole new page.

Proposal to revoke inactive steward
Hello. Here is my proposal for the revocation of The Pioneer as he is missing/vanished. I think it is strange that 20 users need to comment for the revocation of a steward too... I am writing this here to get users to comment on this request. DeeM28 (talk) 09:52, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

I am having trouble on Terrible Tv Shows Wiki
I can't create pages or post comments, and I don't have the required rights to message people I have no idea (talk) 00:32, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , I haven't yet looked into the reason(s) why, but I suspect it could be because your account is too new (i.e., you're not autoconfirmed) on that wiki. Anyway, I've procedurally moved this discussion from Administrators' noticeboard to here, where it is now in scope. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 00:42, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Questions about Questionable Content
I don't know honestly if this is the correct place for this topic, but please help me.

My wiki has just been created, and I am currently writing the Content Policy for it. My wiki has a large scope (about animation), and I intended it to include all kinds of animation. This includes (please don't judge me) 'hentai'.

After all, the US also made some in the 60s until 80s (which I also intend to document as well), and if we have full extensive documentation regarding the Renaissance paintings which sometimes includes realistically drawn nude models, why the same doesn't apply to hentai and US erotic animations in the 60s until the 80s?

I know, I have read Miraheze's own content policy. I even read other wikis' policies. But, in my case, I want to include them because other sites don't. I want to document them because of the same reason. However, I know that this can cross some lines here.

My question is, is hentai allowed for "documenting purposes?" I already added a rule in my draft that no screenshots should be made nor links to the images that is NSFW inside the wiki (except of course, if the screenshot falls under the safe-for-work category). Content I may add for these pages includes plot (in as clean as possible wording) and an infobox for details. Also, I added a rule that these works should be tagged under NSFW. Of course, no links to the sites are allowed.

I also want to include hentai's serious questionable content (shotacon, lollicon), again for the purposes stated above, though I fear this may enter the red flag zone. Wikipedia has this, so can I assume that this is also the same here?

Just to be clear, I have no bad intentions. I really want to also document them. If approved, these articles will be under strict observation. I am also writing a guidelines regarding NSFWs (not just hentai). 9Ations (talk) 04:57, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * First, I have moved this discussion from Administrators' noticeboard to here, though stewards' noticeboard would've also likely been an acceptable venue for this question, if preferring a steward answer your question. Second, thank you for your question, and for taking Miraheze's global Content Policy and Code of Conduct policies seriously. To answer your question, yes, NSFW content is fine on Miraheze customer wikis. NSFW disclosures are helpful, and you always have the option of making your wiki private, accessible only to those in the  group on your wiki, too. Nevertheless, that shouldn't be necessary. Miraheze values freedom of speech greatly, and Hentai (an adult form of anime, as I understand it) would definitely be okay for a Miraheze customer wiki (whether public or private). You just need to be mindful of hosting copyrighted material, which may be fine under fair use or fair dealing doctrines, depending on the jurisdiction from which you live. Such doctrines typically require that the material be used in a minimal fashion and for uses related to education, criticism, or review, among other things. That would really be the only concern from what you've described. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 05:34, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

My Nuuk Greenland wiki needs help
I need someone that can help contribute to my new wiki Nuuk Greenland which is brand new but is incomplete, I need someone that knows a lot about this city. I also need to know how to cite sources too.—-Μπέλα2006🌎 (talk) 15:30, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Does Miraheze have a bandwidth limit?
Hi, I was wanting to know if Miraheze has a bandwidth limit for individual Wikis, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Callipedia (talk • contribs) 01:42, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * First, as far as I am aware, no, there's no bandwidth or data transfer limit on individual wikis. This is something that system administrators are concerned with, collectively, in terms of the collective data transfer usage. As far as I know, actually, Miraheze pays for its hosting based on its volume, so it would just automatically be billed a higher amount the following month if its usage was higher than the previous month. But, as an end user, you do not need to be concerned with these things. Nevertheless, it's good that you asked about it. Second, welcome to Meta, and to this noticeboard. Please make sure you sign your posts with four tildes on all talk pages, user talk pages, and noticeboards. Patroller CircleyDoesExtracter kindly added an unsigned signature for you this time. Dmehus (talk) 02:04, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

I can embed YT videos: how about Vimeo, niconico, and others?
Such as here. Thanks :) DMBFFF (talk) 05:59, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The YouTube extension has tags to embed niconico videos, just like tags. For other video services, you can enable mw:Extension:Widgets and copy the corresponding widget from this website. Note that some video services might not work if they aren't on the CSP whitelist, so you would have to open a phabricator task to add those sites. K599 (talk) 18:13, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I copied from here, to make this, and it still doesn't work for Vimeo, though your suggestion for niconico does. DMBFFF (talk) 06:52, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Seems like you didn't call the Vimeo widget correctly in that page, the correct syntax would be . You should also undo this edit, as the previous revision is the correct one. Finally, I looked at Miraheze's CSP whitelist, and they don't have *.vimeo.com on there, so you would need to open a phabricator task to add *.vimeo.com to the CSP whitelist. K599 (talk) 16:54, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for assisting here, and for your observation that   is not in the CSP whitelist. So, I've created the task on Phabricator proactively, and its status can be tracked at T6129. Dmehus (talk) 17:08, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, thank you for assisting me, and you too. May both of you be requited for your help. :)    DMBFFF (talk) 01:51, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Table collapse?
Hi, I wanted to know if there is a way to collapse tables and such (i.e. )? It doesn't seem to work with me. Godless Raven (talk) 07:26, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * There probably is a way to make the wikitable collapsible by creating, or using an existing, CSS class; however, I am not familiar with that coding. I will ping here, as both are our resident CSS experts. What you could do is insert your wikitable within a collapsible template, i.e. collapse top and collapse bottom, but this may not produce the exact desired outcome for which you're seeking. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 14:01, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Collapsible tables and such uses the class . See Manual:Collapsible Elements --  Void  Whispers 15:51, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Anyone want to help me make a wiki?
Wiki: Disney Universe wiki

Anyone want to help me make a in-universe only wiki about anything and everything Disney owns? Disney Universe wiki...I would like people to help write pages. I only need a few people to help but the more the better. Gtbot2007 (talk) 23:55, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

What happened with ogg-files?
There is no inline-player anymore on pages of ogg-files. I am using this format quite frequently on my wiki, and now all pages with embedded ogg-files are unusable. Here is an example: Example of page with ogg-file Lily (Lilypond Wiki · talk and I will listen · my little garden ) 07:36, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I found the solution, I have removed an extension, after reinstalling everything works fine, sry, Lily (Lilypond Wiki · talk and I will listen · my little garden ) 09:39, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Asking a Question
This is my first day in Miraheze. I want to translate a wiki from English to Chinese, but I don't know how. Hope someone answer this. CA9526 (talk) 01:40, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * First, welcome to Miraheze, and to Meta. Thank you for signing your posts with four tildes . You're off to an excellent start. Second and in terms of your question, which wiki do you want to translate or help translate (i.e., your own wiki, another Miraheze customer wiki, or Meta)? Also, are you wanting to translate content pages or interface messages? The former is done through the Translate extension and the latter is done through translatewiki.net. Look forward to helping you with the answer(s) to your question(s) here. Dmehus (talk) 01:45, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for praising. Actually I used Wikipedia for almost two years. I just want to translate the 2b2t wiki into Chinese. The English wiki is: https://2b2t.miraheze.org/wiki/2b2t_Anarchy_Server_Wiki CA9526 (talk) 02:16, 4 September 2020 (UTC)