Community noticeboard

A community Developers wiki
I have a proposition for the Miraheze community. For a while now I have been debating whether or not to create a developers wiki for Miraheze. Unlike the template wiki, this wiki will include CSS and JS scripts that anyone can import using, it will allow anyone who wants it to use scripts built by the community in their own wikis and/or in their own personal global or local JavaScript or CSS files. After consulting with on Discord, I decided to get the communities feedback and/or support on this idea, therefore what does the Miraheze community think of this idea? 22:53, 24 July 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * Yeah, though I don't think it's required to have a community discussion in this case, since it's going to be a community wiki for shared CSS and JavaScript files, among other things potentially, I thought it would be a good practice to have the discussion, especially if it proposes to use the name "Miraheze." Plus, I think it would be helpful for the community to (a) define the initial scope and purpose and (b) establish the founding bureaucrats for the wiki. From there, the local community can help to establish its local policies and further refine its purpose. In general terms, I support this as a community wiki as I think it is sufficiently different than the Template and Miraheze Bots + Tools wikis. I also think it could be useful at reducing the page load times of community-imported and -maintained user scripts, as opposed to always loading them from English Wikipedia and other wikis. Dmehus (talk) 23:17, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * yes, some of that is part of my initial thoughts for the reasoning of the wiki. As for using the name Miraheze in it, I think it should be called Miraheze Developers Wiki or something similar. As for bureaucrats of the wiki, any candidate recommendations? And I think a community discussion for this is a good idea. It gives the community a way to give input, and their own unique ideas in it as well. 23:39, 24 July 2020 (UTC) ］ |


 * As proposer I support this, but also because I know JS and CSS pretty well, and would love to have a wiki like this for the Miraheze community. 23:39, 24 July 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * This is a great idea for a new wiki. I think that by doing this, lots of new coding things could be enabled, including possibly global modules and gadgets. Great suggestion. I also have no concerns for this proposal. --Furricane (talk) 23:27, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * yes, I do believe that a wiki like this could be greatly beneficial in the long run, or at least I hope it can be. 23:39, 24 July 2020 (UTC) ］ |


 * I support this idea because not everyone can do custom CSS and (or) custom JS. Onmp314 (talk) 16:57, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good idea for having a central place to import JS and CSS. K599 (talk) 20:39, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * per my comments above. Dmehus (talk) 21:00, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Good. Waldo (talk) 21:56, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * would be a nice place to ask questions with in that area Bayugoon (talk) 19:50, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Potential rename and/or expanded scope of Dev Wiki
asked me a few days, or perhaps a week, ago if I had posted in this discussion thread about the potential renaming and expanded scope for Dev Wiki yet. Other tasks took priority, but seeing as this thread was due to be archived in the next day or so, I wanted to get this done. So, I'm going to ping those that participated above and those who participated in the discussion on potential name ideas/expanded scope on Discord.

So, the question is...given that the  subdomain implies broader usage by and for developers beyond just CSS and JavaScript scripts,  and I (did I forget anyone, ?) basically toyed around with a number of potential new names and subdomains, the top three of which is identified below:


 * 1) Retain   and expand the scope, or allow the community, via a future community noticeboard discussion to expand the scope at some point in the future;
 * 2) Rename subdomain to , which would be roughly in line with the current purpose and scope, but open to possibilities later (again, the community would retain the right modify the scope via a community noticeboard discussion); or,
 * 3) Rename subdomain to , with a narrow scope; limits us in the future, but entirely accurate; it's not too bad, as we could easily create a separate dev later, though we should reserve that subdomain in the blacklist)

Since didn't participate in the Discord discussion and since this doesn't require any advanced rights to close, I nominate him to assess the consensus and close this discussion in a week or two. --Dmehus (talk) 00:01, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of RhinosF1 as closer
, please indicate if you would be willing to close this discussion after 1-2 weeks (depending on the weather-related impacts to U.S. eastern seaboard residents).

Additionally, can I get a seconder to second this nomination? (Thought we could probably safely skip a full vote on nominating an uninvolved closer.)


 * Accepted:  ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  19:19, 7 August 2020 (UTC) (as nominated closer)
 * Moved: Dmehus (talk) 00:01, 7 August 2020 (UTC) (as nominator)
 * Seconded: 02:37, 9 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * Procedural comment: This has been relisted for another two weeks. Dmehus (talk) 12:57, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Procedural comment: This has been relisted for another two weeks. Dmehus (talk) 13:41, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Procedural comment: This has been relisted for another two weeks, plus the duration set by the hidden wikicomment at the end of this thread. Dmehus (talk) 13:59, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Voting and Vote Tabulation Instructions
You are encouraged to express first and second choices in your !vote. Please do so by indicating, in your !vote for each proposal, whether it is your first or second choice. If no proposal achieves more than 50% of the valid !votes cast, the proposal with the least number of first choice !votes will be dropped, and those users' second choices will then be allocated accordingly, and the results retabulated in a second count.

Support

 * 1)   02:41, 9 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * 2)  as first choice, since the community remains overall authority over this wiki in terms of its   removal (as may be required) and in terms of redefining, or broadening, its scope. Dmehus (talk) 11:50, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 3)  I think there is no need to rename. Onmp314 (talk) 16:57, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * 4)  Looks nice, and is easy to understand. K599 (talk) 20:47, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Neutral/Abstain
This is arguably kind of useless, in this case, since the !votes won't be counted, but I'll nonetheless include it.

Neutral/Abstain
This is arguably kind of useless, in this case, since the !votes won't be counted, but I'll nonetheless include it.
 * 1)  I like this idea as well, but it feels like it has other non-computer science-related use cases (i.e., for an archival- or museum-type wiki). Dmehus (talk) 11:50, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Neutral/Abstain
This is arguably kind of useless, in this case, since the !votes won't be counted, but I'll nonetheless include it.
 * 1)  I also liked 's idea, as it is the most specific and clearly defines this wiki's current purpose, but, at the same time, it really does restrict a future broadening of this wiki's scope to include a broader array of wiki developer resources, for which the community retains the absolute authority to redefine this wiki's purpose via community noticeboard. Dmehus (talk) 11:50, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Dormant wiki reminder e-mail
Hi Miraheze, community, I believe this question has been answered before but I couldn't find whether it is possible to enable this.

Can Miraheze send a warning email to the owner if the wiki has been dormant for 30 days? Camilo.tejeiro (talk) 22:51, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Camilo.tejeiro I don't know if this is technically possible currently; however, it might be possible to write a JavaScript or something that e-mails the owner of the JavaScript when there has not been a recent change on a given wiki in the last 30 days or so. Doing that would involve making one's e-mail address public, though, unless the wiki was a private wiki, of course. One other option you could try, and this would be easier actually, is to set up a private Discord server for your wiki, create a wiki RC feed channel on the Discord server, add your Discord server webhook into Special:ManageWiki on your wiki, and then have Discord e-mail you if there's been activity (i.e., from that RC feed channel). As long as you are receiving an e-mail from Discord every 30 days or so, you know your wiki is active. Dmehus (talk) 02:34, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply and for providing these ideas! as I am not too technically proficient in these, let me in the meanwhile just track down in my planner (last edit and next edit-by date), I think this old-fashioned way will work in the interim :) Thank you again for your help! Camilo.tejeiro (talk) 00:03, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅! Dmehus (talk) 00:13, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Some features not working on two wikis.
On Loathsome Characters Wiki, adding "voting="Plus"" to comments (so it looks like  ) simply breaks the comments, while on other wikis such as Awful Movies Wiki work perfectly fine. And the Flow extension on Horrible TV Show Episodes Wiki doesn't want to work either no matter what I try to do. Is there anything missing or disabled on those wikis that could be causing this? --DeciduousWater534 (talk) 21:03, 15 March 2021 (UTC)


 * The Comments part has been ✅ on Phabricator but as for Flow, could you please describe what you mean by "not working" and optionally create a task on Phabricator? Thank you. 11:49, 17 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Even though the Flow extension is enabled, the wiki is still displaying the traditional talk page style rather than what Flow (now called StructuredDiscussions) would display. --DeciduousWater534 (talk) 17:28, 17 March 2021 (UTC)


 * You must enable Flow on the Special:EnableStructuredDiscussions. --Anton (talk) 17:40, 17 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Oh, okay, but is there any way I can enable them on every page at once instead of one at a time? --DeciduousWater534 (talk) 20:01, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * DeciduousWater534 There should be an option to set the default content model in Special:ManageWiki/namespaces on your wiki, though this was recently redone by Universal Omega so this may have changed, and I'm not seeing where this has been done on Miraheze Commons (which uses StructuredDiscussions by default in all mainspace and userspace talk namespaces). So, I'm not quite sure why those namespaces aren't displaying to me as using the StructuredDiscussions content model. Anyway, that's something to look into. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 17:06, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

About the Twinkle options:
How can I import some of the warnings if they don't turn out the way I wanted it to be? I've been trying to import more of these templates for the purpose of having the Twinkle categories be completed as it's barely close to being completed. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 17:10, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Could you please explain further, I'm not really sure what you mean and what you're trying to do. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 13:48, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * DarkMatterMan4500 Twinkle is a very complex, multi-faceted gadget that is really designed for Wikipedia workflow, so it requires a lot of modifications to the code and also a lot of customization in the templates used. I personally find it quite impersonal and prefer not to use it. In fact, I haven't reenabled it on Meta, as the two most useful features I used, the pseudo-rollback functionality, I'm using BrandonXLF's Restorer and actual . Where I used specific templates,   works well for me, and is nearly as quick. Dmehus (talk) 17:30, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * That does simplify things for sure, but I'm hoping the Twinkle feature reaches completion in the future. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 22:19, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

List of wikis
Where do I find the list of wikis to make sure the name I want for my wiki isn't already taken? Blaze The Wolf (talk) 21:58, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * There is a very simple methode: enter the url in your browser's address field, e.g. . Looking for wikis you can here:   and a log of all ever created wikis here:   but is rather difficult to find a specific name there, greetings LilyLilyu - smile.svg (Lilypond Wiki · talk to me · little garden · my wiki of everything) 04:09, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Flagged Revisions
Hello,

Once Miraheze upgrades to MediaWiki 1.36 later this year, There will be major changes to the 'FlaggedRevs' extension to ensure its continued stability and function. Please see this upstream announcement by Ladsgroup. If you have any questions and are uncomfortable asking upstream, please let myself or any member of MediaWiki Engineering know.

Thanks, ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  07:40, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Welcomer UserRight Vote
After a set amount of welcomes, there should be an extension called Mass Welcome, where in the user list, they can select how many people to welcome, but the extension can only be accessed by Welcomer and higher.

Support

 * As the person who created the vote, with some good points, I believe this should be added. Wiki JS  18:09, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Additional Comments

 * WikiJS I have no idea what you are proposing here. Are you proposing for a new extension to be developed and installed, or are you proposing for an existing extension be enabled on Meta or on all Miraheze wikis be default? Secondarily, what is your aim here? This seems like more of a question or an idea, rather than a formal proposal, which would be best incubated as a subpage of your userspace. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 19:12, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm proposing for a new extension to be developed and installed for Meta. And yeah, I see what you're saying, I made the vote in a rush, even though it was more of an idea. Wiki JS  00:33, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * WikiJS Yeah, this sort of thing doesn't really need a discussion, at least not the development of an extension; for enabling mass welcoming system user extension on this wiki, yeah, that part would need a discussion to be enabled. However, without an extension developed, this is a bit like put the cart before the (proverbial) horse. I'd recommend instead reaching out to Universal Omega on his user talk page and see if he could develop this extension for you. Be sure to list exactly and specifically what features your extension would require and how an existing welcoming extension, such as either of the HAWelcome or NewUserMessage extensions, would not serve your needs. You would also want to clearly specify which wiki(s) you'd want to enable it on (not counting Meta Wiki, since that'd need a separate discussion). As to potentially enabling such an extension on Meta Wiki, my personal view is this isn't really needed and wouldn't be helpful, principally because accounts are often auto-created on Meta just like they're auto-created on Loginwiki, many of which end up being spam only accounts (among other things). Plus, it's also a bit "spammy," if I'm being honest. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 01:34, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * This should be made following Tech:Projects. 12:37, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

What is hat collecting?
On my recently closed global permissions request, someone said I was hat collecting, but I do not know what hat collecting means. Can someone please explain to me what it means? Thanks, Wiki JS  14:15, 22 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Read w:Wikipedia:Hat collecting. --Anton (talk) 14:17, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * In addition to what Anton said above, I would like to note that I did link that page in my oppose comment. Please do read the comments. 14:21, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

I wanna become volunteer wiki creator, how?
May I become a wiki creator, please? I'd like to become a part of it. I'm very interested in doing this for the community. 1066470lcps (talk) 14:10, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
 * 1066470lcps Please note I've procedurally moved your question from Administrators' noticeboard to community noticeboard, where it is now in scope. To answer your question, I recommend reviewing Content Policy and Wiki creators' guide, certainly, but more importantly, I do recommend you reach out to the community on IRC and Discord, get to know the community, and engage with them. In time, you may eventually be suitable to be a wiki creator; however, you really do have to get to know the community and, more importantly, they have to get to know you, too. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 14:18, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
 * by 'getting to know the community', wdym? Also, about how long, (not to bother you) because I'm kinda (meaning realllllly) interested. I'd really like to become a wiki creator, I'm not repeatedly asking, just asking other questions 1066470lcps (talk) 14:24, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
 * 1066470lcps I just mean engage with members of the community on Discord and/or IRC, let them know your wiki background, what other experience you have, whether you have prior Miraheze experience under other usernames, and all of that sort of thing. There's no set time limit, but if the community members see what they like, someone will recommend you run for wiki creator. Keep in mind, too, patience is a virtue. :) Dmehus (talk) 14:28, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Dmehus Okay! 1066470lcps (talk) 14:33, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅! Look forward to seeing you on IRC and/or Discord. Dmehus (talk) 14:37, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Dmehus Cool, i'm just very keen, sometimes for things I'm like super duper interested in I can't really wait ; - ;
 * So Dmehus Basically what i'm saying right now is that Well, I mean I know how to use Discord, and all but i'm just kinda too interested to wait so yeah maybe should just make me (not begging, just suggesting :) ) just expressing how I feel and my opinion/thoughts. thanks for reading Dmehus!
 * 1066470lcps (talk) 14:31, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Adding an option for NSFW Wiki in Wiki Requests.
I believe that the NSFW option should be in Special:ManageWiki/Settings and Request a wiki. So when you go on the wiki for the first time, it will ask you to confirm your birthdate, or confirm you are 18 or older. This would help a lot, as sometimes I stumble on NSFW wikis that has inappropriate images/videos/gifs as their main page. This would be a good addition, because sometimes, kids can stumbleupon these sort of content. Wiki JS  talk  18:18, 23 March 2021 (UTC)


 * While it is of course undesirable that a minor accidentally accesses such NSFW content, there is currently no global policy imposing that wikis provide a warning regarding NSFW content, however we do strongly encourage that every wiki that has NSFW does so on their Main Page for obvious reasons. I do think, it may be interesting to consider such a NSFW option for wikis (so that the warning is visible on every page, not only the Main Page). Whether that should be made mandatory for all wikis or simply be an option for wikis that would like it is another question. Alternatively, instead of an option in ManageWiki, it could also be made into an extension which could be called something like "NSFW Warning" and be like Cookie Warning only produce a full page warning and require the user to declare that they are 18 before proceeding. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 12:47, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hm, an extension seems like a good idea. Wiki JS   talk  13:07, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Trust and Safety Group
Morning all,

This is a post to advertise a new volunteering position directly with Miraheze Limited, the company behind Miraheze. Following feedback from the Site Reliability Engineering team regarding responsibilities and expectations around Terms of Use/user safeguarding, we voted in our last meeting to form a new, entirely separate team to deal with these extreme matters. Today I can announce that following lengthy internal discussion, we are recruiting volunteers to support our newly formed Trust and Safety team. Role descriptor is available here for the new Trust and Safety Responder role. To be considered by the Board of Directors for the role, please send the application form to board@undefinedmiraheze.org before 23:59 (UTC) on Sunday, April 4th, 2021. Any questions please contact me via Discord or email. Thank you on behalf of Miraheze Limited, Owen (talk) 11:52, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Interwiki
We made a consensus about the interwiki at meta unitedwiki:総合談論室#Unitedwikiの総合方針について#0.議論の前に. Wikilexicon(wl), WikiDemocracy(wd),Worldtrainwiki(wt) and　MilitaryWiki(mw), is under the banner of “meta unitedwiki”(meta united), so we want to interwiki between these six sites including “meta unitedwiki”.

※Exlinkwiki has been closed, so I think you can ignore this wiki. --令和少年 (talk) 06:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, I unfortunately do not know Japanese. Could you please clarify which wikis the interwiki prefixes should be added to? Or should we add them to all four wikis (I cannot see the sixth one and am excluding Exlinkwiki as requested by you)? 13:44, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, I moved this thread here from SN per the policy. 13:46, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your help. I ain't good at English very much, so I may be impossible to comply with your requests entirely. By the way, we want to set the prefixes like following.


 * It takes time to make a diagram, so I wrote simply. (If I have a mind to make diagrams really, probably, I'm possible)
 * Wikilexicon→wl
 * WikiDemocracy→wd
 * Worldtrainwiki→wt
 * MilitaryWiki→mw
 * meta unitedwiki→meta united


 * We would like to interwiki between five wikis above.--令和少年 (talk) 15:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * 令和少年 That's perfect, and makes sense. We'd assume you want those on all wikis, except for the one about the current wiki where being added. One more question. Do any of them require the "forward" or "transclude" flags? And finally, "meta united" contains a space, which may or may not be possible. Would "metaunited" be alright? Dmehus (talk) 15:40, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I do not believe there can be spaces in interwiki prefixes. Is it a problem if I remove the space between meta and united in "meta united"?  15:42, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your quick response. foward and transclusion...I don't know these things in detail, but we'd like to interwiki like between wikipedia and wiktionary.--令和少年 (talk) 15:47, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Transclusion will allow you to show content from another wiki without copying it. You could see Wikipedia's policy on this to better understand what it is and how it works. And forward is helpful for robots and if you would like to be able to go to other wikis using Special:Search. I am adding the links without the flags for now. I would be happy to add them for you later. :) 16:41, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * metaunited is okay. you can overlook the space.--令和少年 (talk) 15:49, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * This should now be ✅. Please let me know if anything needs to be fixed. Please also note that I have not added interwiki prefixes for MilitaryWiki as it has been deleted. 17:22, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I checked. Thank you for your quick management.--令和少年 (talk) 23:48, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Ouch, We'd like to set "forward" on because of quick links, also please keep the function of "transclusion" on because we'd like to share information over wikis by intereiki links.--令和少年 (talk) 00:20, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅, sorry for the delay. 05:23, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I appreciate you very much. I checked them. Thank you for your quick and accurate correspondence. However...MilitaryWiki was enduring when I cheaked today...--令和少年 (talk) 05:47, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, dear. I took a mistake in a link to MilitaryWiki. military is correct. please set both "foward" and "transclusion" on... In addition, could you please set the interwiki prefix "mi".（because:mw→mediawiki）--令和少年 (talk) 05:57, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. 07:15, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

How can I add a category on the majority of pages of a site, but also with specific exceptions?
I wanted to add a category to the majority of pages on my site that are in the 'Main' namespace, but if a page already had another specific category on it, I wanted it to be skipped. I'm not sure how I can do that, I was pointed towards AutoWikiBrowser, but I'm not sure how to use it to do this. Here's where I describe this with a bit more detail: https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T7062 Thermometer (talk) 06:01, 30 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Thermometer Hi, let me see if I can help you out. I saw that they pointed you towards AutoWikiBrowser, which would definitely carry out your task, but requires download, it looks like. That link I gave you has more information about the extension. Another thing that could work (though probably not as well) is the MassEditRegex (Mass Edit using Regular Expressions) extension, which could allow you to mass add the category you want to a range of pages. The only downside to using MER is that you would have to manually type in page names, page name prefixes, category names, or backlinks, and manually separate the pages you want added to from the ones in those categories you mentioned in the Phabricator task. If you're looking for automated, though, AutoWikiBrowser (the first link) can help. I'm not an expert, so if anyone else has better advice, please contradict me. Hope this helps you! Turtle84375 (talk) 07:17, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
 * You could do this in Lua, but this would require the extension CategoryToolbox which is not (yet) available on Miraheze, LilyLilyu - smile.svg (Lilypond Wiki · talk to me · little garden · my wiki of everything) 08:14, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thaks Sirlance3000 (talk) 16:09, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Questions on adding Wiki skin extensions
I'm just wondering if I were to make a custom wiki skin specificity made for my wiki and I asked if it could be added to my wiki and my wiki only would you? I'm asking this because I am thinking about making a custom wiki skin for my wiki The Official Spirits of Argonoth Wiki, but I don't want to spend time on it without knowing if it would even be worth it. Sirlance3000 (talk) 04:39, 30 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Sirlance3000 Thank you for the question, which I've procedurally moved from stewards' noticeboard to here where other community members can assist you with your question. Dmehus (talk) 14:38, 30 March 2021 (UTC)