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Reception Wikis
As I haven't been here for long, does anyone know is going on with Reception Wikis and what the community consensus on them currently is?

Thanks and Kind Regards Joey717 (talk) 23:42, 7 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Joey717 My guess is that Reception wikis were shut down by community voting (RfC) due to chaos. I'm not too sure about this answer either, let me tag @NotAracham, maybe he can answer seriously. Best Regards Hey Türkiye  Message? 18:20, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * All Qualitipedia wikis were closed and are no longer allowed back and new reception wikis can't be created, but there's still a few reception wikis hosted on here not associated by name but with the same community. Raichu&#39;s Endless Nights (talk) 18:33, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much information @Raichu's Endless Nights 🙂 Hey Türkiye  Message? 18:44, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Not much to add beyond Raichu's comments. (btw, thanks for tackling this!)
 * The Request for Comments that led to a permanent topic ban on new reception wikis can be found here if you're interested in the historical context. --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 18:59, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * ,, and Thanks for the information! While I do personally agree with some (but not all) things posted on the reception wikis, I do agree that Miraheze is not the place for masses of them. It's sad how they've ruined this place's reputation.
 * Fortunately, I had a wiki here (which was deleted on request) before they arrived by the masses.
 * Kind Regards, Joey Pelobello (Joey717 (talk) 22:10, 8 May 2023 (UTC))
 * @Joey717 I would appreciate it if you did not share your name and surname in a public environment, because it can even be used as a threat material in the future. Still, if you say that I would like to address my respect with my name, okay, I respect it, but you should be careful. Hey Türkiye  Message? 13:02, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I will add that there is no policy against sharing your real name. It isn't preferred or not preferred, just a personal preference for each and every user. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 03:23, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Exactly what is a "reception wiki"? The discussion doesn't say (and the posted results say "it's[sic] implementation will be halted until a discussion finalizes, in a community venue, about what a 'reception wiki' constitutes"), although the discussion there seems to indicate that some of their users appear to think the number of editors is more important than the wiki content. --Robkelk (talk) 14:01, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The assumption in that RfC was that a definition would be quickly forthcoming and agreed-upon. Multiple attempts to reach consensus failed, so prohibition went into effect under general guidance that has become de-facto permanent for lack of a better definition. At a high level, reception wikis intend to document the public reception of certain forms of (media/games/art/events/people's actions) and what makes those documented things good or bad, however there's further nuance beyond that as each one is its own kind of thing.
 * A reception wiki may have some but not all of the shared attributes that resulted in a topic ban, but they all have at least one. Raidarr's essay on the matter was instrumental in forming the guidance (and that guidance has evolved a bit since), here are some non-comprehensive example criteria used by WCs and other functionaries in making that determination:
 * Binary (or polarized) topic scope
 * e.g. "Awesome Games", "Terrible Youtubers", "Best Rollercoasters"
 * Some wikis attempted to subvert this by including both extremes, but this doesn't change their underlying intent
 * Format:
 * Articles frequently contain bullet-point rant-lists on 'why it's good' or 'why it's bad'
 * Lists contain little to no external sourcing, where relevant
 * Bulleted items are largely subjective, not third-party objective
 * Little to no attempt is made to explain how these items connect
 * Articles also usually contain a blurb borrowed entirely from Wikipedia or similar to describe the thing, followed by trivia or a section on Reception that tries to tie together the rant-list with news articles to form a cohesive review.
 * Article is largely treated like a blog post, with the originator closely guarding original tone and slant on future edits from others.
 * Community Behavior
 * Frequent edit-warring on high-traffic pages, especially around notable figures like celebrities
 * Heated debates on article discussion pages with little to no substatantive arguments made
 * Regular doxxing/harrassment campaigns requiring global functionary intervention
 * Management
 * Founder/Owner treated as 'ruler', elevated above other contributors with unquestioning support... or else.
 * Arbitrary decision-making by administrative members without community input
 * A pattern of petty block reasons, usually by multiple administrative members
 * A pattern of ambiguous/poorly-written RfCs that contribute to confusing/contradictory rules for wiki operation and contribution, OR a confusing/contradictory ruleset established by wiki administration, especially one that regularly changes.
 * A public 'name and shame' wall to catalogue users who have angered the wiki's leadership.
 * No one point above is sufficient by itself to brand something as "Reception", but the listed examples help form a pattern of behavior that can be used to positively identify a reception wiki when multiple criteria are met. Hope this helps clarify! --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 16:04, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It does help, thank you. (And I was worried that All The Tropes might have been considered a reception wiki - we do allow subjective entries and have sections for "good" and "bad" works - until I read the "Community Behavior" and "Management" sections. If one can't at least pretend to be a grownup and respect other people's opinions, one will probably be uncomfortable on ATT.) Robkelk (talk) 16:36, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Also worth knowing: the topic ban is a go-forward ban on new creations and wouldn't impact existing reception wikis (provided they remain in good standing w/r/t content and conduct policies). ATT may resemble in certain aspects of content but absolutely would not be branded as 'reception' by quality of contents or user behavior.
 * As you can pretty well see in the examples, the concern around the genre definitely skews more behavioral than anything else. :) --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 17:09, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Short URL deletion
How can I delete /m/99Z on fyutxe? Also why can I not create pages in a particular namespace containing lowercase initial letters? Dján Déú (talk) 22:54, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Add "https://www.niwanetwork.org" to local interwiki prefix
My wiki (obeymewiki.com) would like the site "www.niwanetwork.org" to be added to the local interwiki prefix please.

Website: https://niwanetwork.org/$1

Prefix: niwa

Forwarding or Transclusion: no Clarasiir 19:45, 13 May 2023 (UTC)


 * This is ✅, thanks.
 * --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 14:38, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Custom domain removal
I want to remove a custom domain for a wiki.

Which is the appropriate template to use on Phabricator? If there are no existing templates, which tags should I use for the ticket? What information do I have to provide?

Thank you. Verycutecat (talk) 10:12, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, a Phabricator request would be best. You can just plainly state "Please remove the custom domain for ." or you can reply to this thread with the wiki you need the custom domain removed for and I'll process it. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 03:37, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Help with importing a dump file
Hello, I am trying to import a dump file from a Fandom wiki on my wiki Poofesure Wiki, but it wants the interwiki prefix, and I don't know what that is. I also tried using wikia:poofesure as the interwiki prefix, and there were no comments about that, but they said that the document was empty. Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 00:30, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Just put a space there. It'll work either way. Tali64³ (talk) 19:38, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Put a space where? Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 22:14, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * In the interwiki prefix field. I probably should've been more specific. Tali64³ (talk) 22:19, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It still says it's empty. Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 22:36, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hmm...the last time I tried that, it imported with no issues. Maybe it's something to do with a new MediaWiki update, but I don't see anything related to that on MediaWiki.org's home page. Tali64³ (talk) 23:31, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * What do I do now? Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 10:07, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't know, actually. Try asking your question on the Miraheze Discord server (to post links on the server, you need to have direct messages enabled and type  in any channel you're able to post in; Wiki-Bot will DM you and provide you a link to click on to authenticate your Discord account to your Miraheze account); you may get a faster response there. Tali64³ (talk) 14:12, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * If at all possible I might suggest acquiring a hard copy of the fandom wiki dump to your machine and then submitting it to Special:RequestImportDump if the usual Import feature is giving trouble at that point. I haven't heard success stories trying to import directly from Fandom. --Raidarr (talk) 22:27, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * How do I do that? Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 20:16, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * On Fandom: Help:Database download --Raidarr (talk) 21:24, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

I have doubts about the creation of wikis in meta.miraheze.org
Hello, I have doubts about the creation of wikis in meta.miraheze.org. The truth is that I don't know many things about the meta.miraheze.org platform, I would love to know how this platform works, I am planning to create a second wiki called Mejores Amigos Wiki in Spanish, since it is a private project belonging to Best Friends Project.

I would like to know more about meta.miraheze.org and how it works, I don't see a "What Meta.miraheze is not" policy or something like that. Lomeno 24 • (Contact me here • Friend 😊) 03:17, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * meta.miraheze.org is just a wiki. Miraheze is the name of the entire service. If you're wondering what type of wikis are allowed on Miraheze, please read the Content Policy. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 03:37, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks--Lomeno 24 • (Contact me here • Friend 😊) 03:42, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I have read it carefully, I completely agree, I am aware of the consequences of making a serious mistake, I will try to follow miraheze's guidelines so as not to have problems in the future.--Lomeno 24 • (Contact me here • Friend 😊) 04:04, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

tnwgwiki，My wiki database is locked.administrators:The primary database server is running in read-only mode.
tnwgwiki，My wiki database is locked.administrators:The primary database server is running in read-only mode. Yaiseson (talk) 02:55, 16 May 2023 (UTC)yaiseson

Infobox template creation
Hello! I tried following the instructions for the creation of an Infobox template on my own through this guideline: HERE. However, as I try to get a good grasp of the other things necessary for the creation of a subsidiary Infobox, I end up having trouble as it didn't appear anything like the one that I've copied as. So I am lost with how I should proceed on then. Thanks. 23meraki (talk) 11:25, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Using wikipedia links in miraheze wiki
I would like to redirect a link to a Wikipedia page instead of copying the wiki page completely. LaneFrost00 (talk) 13:28, 16 May 2023 (UTC)


 * - PercyUK (talk) 14:31, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Translations on miraheze.org
Where are the translations of miraheze.org stored? There are many grammatical errors in the Vietnamese translation (it is also very unnatural) and I simply couldn't leave it be. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 04:59, 17 May 2023 (UTC)


 * When trying to create this section with DiscussionTools it prompted me for a CAPTCHA answer (an ) without showing me the CAPTCHA itself (which turns out to be a photo-based one of choosing foxes from a bunch of animals). This sounds like a bug, no? NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 05:05, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm confused. Could you specify the question you are trying to ask? Miraheze.org is a corporate page, not a wiki. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 05:25, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @BrandonWM: I know that it's not a wiki, but as a wiki user I feel an urge of improving it. Can I edit the translations? If yes, how? NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 05:28, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah. No, you are not able to edit the translations. It's a corporate website. In fact, I'm not sure if it's even translated by Miraheze, it might just be by whatever search engine you use (ie. Google Translate). BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 05:42, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Never mind. I found a link at the footer that leads to translatewiki. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 05:49, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Wiki
I'm thinking about recreating Callipedia on Miraheze. Iron Sword 23 (talk) 01:07, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Callipedia was deleted nearly a year ago for copyright violations (log action). Any new requests for a general encyclopedia-style wiki will not be accepted per the Content Policy clause regarding duplicate wikis. Tali64³ (talk) 02:02, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

$wgRestrictionLevels
Hello. I’m Admin of one wiki, and I want to set $wgRestrictionLevels at ManageWiki. But option to set it does not appear. How can I set that option? If I can’t set, why I can’t do that? IAX86 (talk) 12:21, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi. You are correct that it is not found on ManageWiki. It has been disabled because it apparently didn't work as expected. Phabricator has more information and instructions on how to request it for your wiki. --Anton (talk) 14:20, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Clarification - Formalizing Interwiki Requester Eligibility
Per RfC Policy, I'm opening this single-issue Feedback Request on the CN to formally update the Interwiki Policy page and add the already-in-use eligibility requirements to request addition of a new interwiki entry.

Proposal 1: Codifying Eligibility for Interwiki Requests
Add the following eligibility criteria to the Additions section of the Interwiki policy page:

A user must meet one of the following criteria to submit Interwiki addition/removal requests: *Have the Bureaucrat role (or equivalent) on the wiki for which the request is submitted *Have public written permission from a Bureaucrat on the wiki (for instance, on a user talk page) to submit interwiki requests *Have authorization to make the request via local policy (e.g. a wiki establishes a local policy authorizing administrators on the wiki to make interwiki requests) *Have community consensus on specific additions/removals, e.g. by poll or discussion on the wiki for which the request is submitted

Rationale: This is already the current procedure followed by those with IW access and seeks to make it publicly available. Failure of this vote will not change eligibility criteria, but community assent is needed before any amendment of policy pages. NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 18:46, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Support

 * 1)  as proposer --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 18:46, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * 2)  This offer can be prevented by Discord or IRC or fraud/informality on noticeboards. I support you most strongly. It is useful to apply.  Hey Türkiye  Message? 11:27, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * 3)  This is already done as a matter of custom. --1108-Kiju /Talk  11:34, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * 4)  I think that it is fair for bureaucrats to make these decisions. I take this opportunity to nevertheless re-iterate my opposition to the group of interwiki administrator and instead allowing bureaucrats to do this themselves. --DeeM28 (talk) 14:21, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Comments
It was helpfully pointed out by Agent Isai in a side conversation that these criteria already exist on the Interwiki administrators page, identically though indirectly, as follows:

Global interwiki administrators should not add or alter interwiki prefixes on wikis where they do not hold bureaucrat rights, unless local bureaucrats or the local community requests it, or where they have otherwise been provided with a local authorization, ratified by a local bureaucrat, to add interwiki prefixes on a discretionary basis.

Given that pre-existing basis, if Stewards feel this is sufficient I suggest they close this Feedback Request as invalid/unnecessary and integrate the proposed changes into the Interwiki page if deemed adequately phrased. --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 19:37, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * NotAracham, would you be interested in modifying this proposal to state that one must have a bureaucrat's authorization to make such requests, or there must be a local policy in place delegating this responsibility to community members? I think it's way to bureaucratic to require a bureaucrat's approval just to add an interwiki prefix. I think any trusted  or established editor would do. As well, it's already a requirement to be a bureaucrat, or have the assent of a bureaucrat, to be elected as a local interwiki administrator. Dmehus (talk) 19:53, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * If there's a local policy which covers delegation of duties, that's fine in my view. My goal isn't to write new policy beyond already established norms in this case, and reading through the existing language on the Interwiki administrators page, this piece of language: 'otherwise provided with local authorization' appears to cover the instance you describe.
 * Per discussion w/ @Raidarr on discord, I'll tweak to match and notify existing FR voters accordingly. NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 21:06, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @HeyTürkiye, @1108-Kiju, @DeeM28, providing a courtesy notification that proposal language has had minor amendments to allow for local policies to authorize other roles to request interwiki additions/removals. This was deemed necessary to be fully aligned with the policy codified on the Interwiki administrators page.
 * Please review and update your vote if no longer supported. --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 21:15, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Its to sad to say goodbye to Real Life Villains wiki forever
Goodbye forever, if one day that page is reborn again please call me, you know how to contact me, but well, it was funny helping the page, but its time to say goodbye, so goodbye forever and it was an honor to be in the real life villains wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oscargerardo (User talk:Oscargerardo • Special:Contributions/Oscargerardo) 17:46, 21 May 2023 (UTC)