Community noticeboard

Vote
Okay, ladies and gentlemen, I have a question for you: should we have a wiki on here like the Wiki Gazetteer on FANDOM? Put your vote in the headings below! And remember to sign your posts with ~. Tali64³ (talk) 20:33, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes

 * 1) Why not? This would not be a bad idea for someone looking for a specific wiki. --TFFfan (talk) 21:57, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 2) per  InspecterAbdel (talk) 21:16, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 3) I strongly support this because we can find more specific wikis.  CircleyDoesExtracter  ( Circley Talk  |  Global   |  Email the Cloud ) 21:31, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 4) I'm not opposed to this idea, in theory, and I do think that we need to rethink Gazetteer of wikis given that we have ~3,800 current wikis (which is too large for a single page). My main concern, which I expressed in declining the wiki request, was that this may suffer from lack of maintenance and timely updates. As well, by siphoning it away from Meta, we now have yet another wiki we have to somehow promote, so that sort of defeats the purpose of a gazetteer of wikis designed to promote customers' public wikis, doesn't it? Secondarily, I honestly think a better way to go about this is to add additional functionality and data output to the automated list, Special:WikiDiscover. That said, it's a good-faith idea, in theory and if well-maintained, so that is why I am expressing some support, albeit weak. Dmehus (talk) 23:18, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

No

 * 1)  I don't see the need for an entire wiki like this. We already have a page here on meta, Gazetteer of wikis. And in all honesty, a page on meta will most likely be given more notice than another external wiki that some will never visit. As such I am opposing this idea. While a good thought I don't see the need for it. I mean if you want it, go for you, but I don't think it should be a community wiki at all.  15:01, 13 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * There are wikis currently on Miraheze, too big to list on one page. An administrator could put a link to it on the main page. Tali64³ (talk) 16:35, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * We also have Special:WikiDiscover which lists every wiki on Miraheze. 14:18, 16 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |

Discussion

 * 1) I'm currently been slowly working on a similar idea over the past month or two just documenting wikis: the Wikiverse. dibbydib 23:38, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 2) As a Miraheze wiki creator, when this wiki truly passes through us for approval (I have recently accidentally approved this wiki sent in by, which due to the ongoing discussion and the incorrect subdomain is currently pending steward review for deletion), it is important for us to know when to approve the wiki and who will be creating it. Therefore, who will be the founding Bureaucrat of the wiki if it passes community discussion?  14:59, 13 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * I would be the founder. Tali64³ (talk) 23:23, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * When having community discussions like these, who will be the founder is among what should be discussed. I believe who should be the founder should be among what is discussed here. Thanks! 02:10, 15 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |

A new wiki for the website's community
The Miraheze Community Wiki is a wiki for the community so people can get to know each other and welcome each other. I know Meta does that, but I think we need a wiki for that stuff.

Support

 * 1) I think we need a wiki for this kind of thing InspecterAbdel (talk) 22:44, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 2) but not per any of the above or below, but because community noticeboard has become a catch-all for technical support questions, community discussions, and really anything. The organization is weak, and we could use a community wiki. I have no objections to it, but the main reason for my oppose  weak support here is because the purpose is somewhat vague and unclear. I appreciate  bringing this for a community discussion, though, and, since this wiki was simultaneously submitted for approval and created already, I think we should probably shift this wiki towards defining a clear purpose and terms of reference for its existence and the parameters by which the local   can be removed (via Community noticeboard) here on Meta. Dmehus (talk) 14:55, 28 July 2020 (UTC)  Amended. Moved from weak oppose to weak support Dmehus (talk) 15:31, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Abstain

 * 1) I really like to have a community wiki for new users to gather, although we have a Community noticeboard.  CircleyDoesExtracter  ( Circley Talk  |  Global   |  Email the Cloud ) 17:09, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) . No, we don't need such a wiki.  This page ("community noticeboard") is exactly for this kind of thing.  I don't want to have to check both this page and a dedicated wiki to find out what is happening on the wiki farm, nor learn how such a wiki is organized.   04:25, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 2) Per Spike. There is already not enough engagement and usage on Meta, so another wiki is really not what we need. We should focus on Meta. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 06:08, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 3) . We DO NOT need a community wiki is needed at this time. We already have this page, the community noticeboard, and Requests for Permissions, requests for global rights and requests for stewardship. It seems that it would serve the same service as as most of this meta wiki, and I just see no possible usage for this. I also agree with the comments that has made about having to go back and forth between meta and a community wiki. Sorry, it is just not going to work. --TFFfan (talk) 15:10, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm hoping you'll consider amending your !vote, per my comments above, as I really don't think 's goal was for this wiki to replace Meta. The problem with this request is that (a) the wiki shouldn't have been created without a community discussion (not, technically, a requirement, as far as I'm aware, but good practice) and (b) it should've had a clearer purpose, scope, and defined parameters, as we are doing with Dev Wiki and have done with Template Wiki and Miraheze Commons in the past. No community proposals or discussions, or even drafts of such proposals, would've occurred on this wiki. Rather, as I saw it (though vague and unclear), this wiki was meant to be a user collaboration and social connection wiki that would've actually sought to deepen community participation. Participation in this community wiki would've been completely voluntary and not participating would not have meant the user would "miss out" on important community discussions, as I don't think that was ever the intent behind 's good-faith proposal. Dmehus (talk) 15:27, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Comments
Relist to delay archiving. I will be posting an updated proposal on next steps in the next several days. Dmehus (talk) 02:30, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Local CU, OS and ArbC
I think that having CU and OS tools restricted to stewards is not good for users who create a wiki here just because they cannot afford a server, which is around probably 20000 USD. These tools should also be allowed on wikis which demonstrate activity and contributions. Also, some wikis may be based on an organization, not a private entity. They should have the ability to resolve some of legal issues before Miraheze is influenced. I think these should only be allowed on a wiki with more than 50 contributors and at least 20 articles. They are granted by the ArbCom, and the ArbCom is granted by vote scrutineers following a community discussion specified by any wiki. They must meet some requirements set by individual wikis and sign the Privacy document, and have OAuth enabled. I am an OAuth application developer. ThesenatorO5-2 (talk) 10:00, 8 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I think that wikis should be self-governing and adhere to the global policy, and that is why I proposed this. ThesenatorO5-2 (talk) at 10:31, 8 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Stewards would grant local CU+OS, that policy will be made clear soon, following a community vote. No ArbCom is needed. We will make the criteria clear and yes all must sign an NDA. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  09:29, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Why you say no ArbC is needed? Edit: Maybe we can set up a higher limit of 200 contributors and 100 articles to qualify for ArbC.ThesenatorO5-2 (talk) 10:00, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Because I don't see much for it to do. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  11:46, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * There is really no need for an ArbCom right now, the community is simply not large enough, and there are barely enough volunteers as it is. And also, a server is nowhere near 20000 dollars, maybe that was a hyperbole? Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 12:17, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * With some differences, we already have the Code of Conduct Commission, which serves as the ultimate community elected body for mediating Code of Conduct disputes between users and serving as an appeals body for the community- or steward-imposed sanctions. It's very similar to Arbitration Committee on English Wikipedia except that it is a truly global quasi-judicial elected community body, but it does have a lot of similarities in its approach and methods. As to local CheckUser, I still struggle to see why we would need a local CheckUser right; Oversight maybe, but would still require signing a non-disclosure agreement as it would be able to see edits or log actions suppressed by a steward. As well, it would need, included within the terms of revocation, a stipulation that if a local wiki  unsuppressed an entry suppressed by a steward or system administrator (in the course of enforcing the ToU), it can be revoked summarily by either group (as applicable), possibly accompanied by some sort of community discussion related to that user's actions. Dmehus (talk) 14:37, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, regarding the above-quoted cost of a server, that's an arguably ridiculous number. You could run a small wiki on a cloud-based VPS for about $5 USD per month, which would give you the CU and OS access you apparently need. Dmehus (talk) 15:09, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

With Miraheze, an account is created by simply accessing the wiki while logged in, so I would like to have the permissions discussed this time be managed collectively with meta.--松•Matsu (talk) 16:08, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That's a very good point, especially with regard to why we should not have a local CheckUser. Even with local Oversight, while I at least potentially see a use case, there are a number of logistical hurdles or obstacles over which we'd have to overcome. Local CheckUser, though, for the reason you've articulated, and the reasons expressed by others should really be avoided. I quite like the way it's currently restricted to a limited number of very trusted users, and coordinated through Meta for transparency purposes. Dmehus (talk) 16:37, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with you, since a CU access can have serious complications, and because of the COC commission in place, local ArbComs are not needed, though I am thinking of placing a high size limit for local arbitration committees. Local check users should be avoided if there are no policies regarding local CU usage, but per what Dmehus said, local OS can see revisions hidden by an ST or SA, which requires an NDA. After all, this is pretty hard to fully resolve. CU and Arb are not required in my wiki since my wiki is pretty small. I just need an OS access which I have requested at the steward's noticeboard. I am also thinking of local locks which can be imposed by bureaucrats preventing the user from logging in on a specific wiki. but I will start a new topic for it. ThesenatorO5-2 (talk) - 02:18, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, we can set up some global policy that basically says that users with the right(s) of granting or using local CU and OS must enable 2FA and local OS should not restore revisions which are hidden by a SA or ST. [ ThesenatorO5-2 (talk) | 08:31, 10 August 2020 (UTC) ]

How to create WikiBase properties
I just created a wiki on Miraheze an successfully enabled WikiBase. Nevertheless I have a very basic issue: I can create Items, but I cannot create properties. When I point to page  the result is the error: You do not have permission to create Properties, for the following reason: You are not allowed to execute the action you have requested.

As WikiBase without properties is pretty useless, then I think I am missing something very basic. I cannot find any additional documentation on WikiBase on Miraheze, so can you please help with this? Thanks --Lucamauri (talk) 21:25, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for signing your post with four tildes, and welcome to Meta. No problem with your question; no question is too basic. I suspect the issue is because to create properties in WikiBase, one needs to have the  user right granted to them (since it's not included within the   and   bits, insofar as I am aware). Have you assigned that user group to yourself? Let me know if this resolves it. Dmehus (talk) 21:28, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * thanks for helping me: I made the modification and it works as expected. May I suggest this to be added somewhere into Documentation or FAQ? I would have done myself, but I see I, as a user, cannot contribute to META. Thanks. --Lucamauri (talk) 10:25, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem...I'm glad my proposed solution worked. Regarding your above request to add something like this to the FAQ, I do see that page is protected as administrator, probably because it's a high-traffic page (as opposed to a global policy page). Nevertheless, I have diarized this request, and will ensure it is updated in the next couple of weeks. Thanks again for your follow up, and also for your signing your posts. It is so nice to welcome an experienced MediaWiki user to Meta who is already well trained in discussion page conventions (i.e., signing posts, etc.). Dmehus (talk) 11:09, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * We probably should write a WikiBase specific guide. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  11:05, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that would be useful. I was talking to about our FAQ page, which I think could be improved in terms of how we've classified various questions by subject, and could probably be broken down further into various subpages of that page as it's already starting to become a bit too lengthy in terms of readability as a single page. It's on my mental 'to-do list'. Dmehus (talk) 11:12, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * you are flattering me 😁 Regarding documentation on WikiBase, I would be happy to help, if needed, as I am working quite heavily on it for personal project. --Lucamauri (talk) 11:16, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

How can I import a set of Markdown pages?
Hi,

I have a number of markdown pages exported from Nuclino. Is there a way to import them all into miraheze?
 * This discussion was moved from Administrators' noticeboard where it was out of scope (diff). Dmehus (talk) 12:42, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , firstly, thank for your asking your question at Administrators' noticeboard, and welcome both to Meta and to Miraheze. Please note I have procedurally moved it to community noticeboard as this is the centralized discussion page for wiki support-related questions (amongst other things). As well, I have added an unsigned signature to your initial post, containing your username and timestamp when you made your post, as it's required for archiving discussions by the bot. Please ensure you sign your posts with the four tildes in the future.
 * Secondly, regarding your question, looking at the declined extensions section of the Extensions page on this wiki, it looks like Extension:Markdown was previously requested, but declined by Miraheze system administrators as it is not actively maintained by the upstream developer(s). This would've been ideal in terms of converting the Markdown formatting into wikitext, but alas, that is not available. In terms of the format of the Nuclino XML dumps, given that Nuclino does not use MediaWiki wiki software, I'm inclined to think a direct import would probably not be possible. One option you may want to consider is to first your Nuclino pages in Markdown with a third-party conversion utility. From there, depending on the format you convert it to, it may be possible to import that format. Other users may have some other ideas. Dmehus (talk) 13:02, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. @Dmehus, what would I need to convert them to so that I could import them here?

~

WikiBase custom configuration
I am looking for the way to make some custom configuration in WikiBase Repo of my wiki on Miraheze, but I am not sure how to do it or even if this is possible at all.

Specifically I am interested in customising: $wgWBRepoSettings['siteLinkGroups'] $wgWBClientSettings['specialSiteLinkGroups'] $wgWBRepoSettings['formatterUrlProperty'] and, accordingly, add some rows to the  table.

In my own installation I would set the variables into Repo's  and use   command line utility to insert the rows.

Can I do this in my MediaWiki instance on Miraheze? Or can I ask it to be done by an admin?

Thanks --Lucamauri (talk) 10:19, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if those settings are wiki-specific, but if they are, then it might be possible to create a Phabricator ticket on Miraheze Phabricator. If you don't already have an account there, use the "MediaWiki sign-up" link, and it'll automatically bring you back to Meta to authorize your Phabricator account using OAuth. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 12:08, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks,, I have filed it here https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T6041 Just for the records: these are wiki-specific settings. Frankly I am surprised no user requested to modify those before, as they are of critical importance for the use of SiteLinks and data so-called direct access. I would have expected a section for it in ManageWiki. --Lucamauri (talk) 16:28, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

when will wikis about scratch be allowed to be made again?
this says that wikis about scratch WILL be allowed after 45 days, how much days are left until wikis about scratch will be allowed so I can make a wiki about one of my games on scratch. ScratchCoder (talk) 02:36, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You should be fine. The discussion closed nearly two months ago. Tali64³ (talk) 20:42, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll remove the technical restriction in force later. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  20:46, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Requests Interwiki administrators to change Interwiki
Wiki Url [//nmfwiki.miraheze.org]

We need some: Thanks. 开炸弹车 (talk) 07:29, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) (Another Minecraft fun wiki)
 * 2) (Chinese MinecraftWiki)
 * 3) (A Chinese Wiki)
 * 4) (the url of the uid of Forum)
 * 5) (the url of the thread of Forum)
 * 6) (the url of the pid of Forum)
 * I haven't yet checked all of those websites yet (the Chinese Gamepedia wiki and NetEase website should be fine), but have moved your post from Stewards' noticeboard in this thread to community noticeboard where it is now in scope. Replies will be made here. Though I have an outstanding a request for global interwiki administrator that can be closed any time by a steward, it hasn't yet closed. So, I'm going to ping to this thread to assess your requests as well, as I do not know when it will be closed. Do you have a preference for the prefixes that will be used and whether the forward flag should be enabled, or should these be left to the interwiki administrator's discretion? Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 13:12, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks.I forgot that.em…this:
 * bbsw
 * mcwiki
 * moe
 * uid
 * tid
 * pid
 * --开炸弹车 (talk) 13:31, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for clarifying that. That's helpful. Either or I should be along shortly to assess your request (depending on my outstanding request's closure). Dmehus (talk) 13:39, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ If theres anything wrong, at me 14:22, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. --开炸弹车 (talk) 14:41, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Usage of the "commentadmin" right by Global sysops
While technically, since one of the duties of Global sysops is countervandalism they should be given this right on wikis where the Comments extension is enabled, it hasn't been clearly decided. It would be absurd to create an RfC just for that, so I propose a discussion here. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 16:09, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Support

 * 1)  Per my reasoning above, a lot of vandalism is committed using the Comments extension and this would allow us to quickly remove it. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 16:08, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)  per  as nom. I wouldn't say it would be absurd, though, to do an RfC; however, I completely agree that a community discussion, lasting roughly for at least seven (7) calendar days, should be all that is required. We might possibly want to coordinate together on a possible future RfC that outlines when an RfC versus a community discussion should be used. DM me on Discord, and I can share some ideas I have on that. Dmehus (talk) 16:12, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Agree that this is a policy discussion and should be left open for 7 days. Agree that it is better to have a rule than a guess whether an RfC is called for.   01:15 18-Aug-2020
 * 1)  Because vandalism on the comments is common, having "commentadmin" rights for the global sysop will help things.  CircleyDoesExtracter  ( Circley Talk  |  Global   |  Email the Cloud ) 18:10, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)  Cocopuff2018  03:49, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 3) .  I haven't used the Comments extension but agree in principle that those entrusted to fight vandalism should have access to everywhere that vandalism could occur.  Over, say, a new cadre created solely to police this one extension!   01:08 18-Aug-2020
 * 4)  --GondorChicken (talk) 19:55, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 5) per Reception Zppix (Meta &#124; CVT Member &#124; talk to me) 20:03, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

About Google captcha
Miraheze currently uses the verification code provided by Google. However, since Google Corporation withdrew from the Chinese market, the government blocked all its translation except the translation. It led to the fact that users in mainland China could not register or add the external chain. Chinese mainland was prohibited from making use of VPN. So miraheze could change a verification service provider in People's Republic of China? I don't know how to use English well，so I use the MT.Can Miraheze use other captcha？城市酸儒文人挖坑 (talk) 03:05, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It would probably be easier to send an email to  with the requested username, and we will generate it for the user and their temporary password will be sent by email. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 06:38, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you！But sometimes no one can help them sign up for email, and it's also a problem for new users to add external links to the page.城市酸儒文人挖坑 (talk) 06:59, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I am sure someone would be able to help the new users sign up, if they wish they can contact me and I will take care of it. As for external links, you may add the "skipcaptcha" right to a group in Special:ManageWiki/permissions and assign that group to them; that will allow them to skip the captcha for external links. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 07:17, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Get user language in lua
I would like to produce a template that returns different text depending on the display language of the user. I read on mw:Manual:Language that the user's display language can be accessed with  in PHP. How to access it in lua? (If it can be done without lua it would be even better, but I suppose that isn't possible.) Jack980517 (talk) 22:09, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It looks like it's only possible to get the content language using, which means that you'd probably be best off using the translate extension. It is possible to do something like what you are asking with JavaScript, but that means it won't display on all browsers. --  Void  Whispers 22:48, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * seems to return the site content language, which isn't what I want. What I want is the user interface language (as it's called in mw:Manual:Language), which can be changed in the user's preferences, and affects UI text like the "edit / edit source" links.
 * I wouldn't want JavaScript; it seems dirty to me. I only want to translate certain words or phrases (which, in my original plan, would always be mentioned using my template) and not entire pages. Is the translate extension suitable for my use case? I'm not familiar with it. Jack980517 (talk) 23:19, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I think the translate extension can be used in MediaWiki namespace, which controls the aspects of the user interface in question that I think you're wondering about. Alternatively, I believe there's translatewiki.net that's used for doing translations of the interface, but I'm not familiar with how that works or if that's appropriate in this case. Dmehus (talk) 23:25, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You could try enabling mw:Extension:MyVariables and using to get the user's language. K599 (talk) 23:31, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You are misunderstanding me. I wanted to take the UI language code, and use it to display something else in the page content. I'm not trying to translate the user interface itself. Suppose that I have a content page with the contents " This is a . " When the UI language is set to English, it shows "This is a grape." When the UI language is set to Chinese, it shows "This is a 葡萄."
 * That seems perfect for my use case! I don't even have to learn lua! Thanks a lot. Jack980517 (talk) 00:01, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Why has the miraheze wikis not been working
It been saying page isn't working when it is hasn't been working and it then keeps going from working to not working and I am saying this quickly before it might do it again. Email me at removed for the answer. Thanks. I don't know how to do 4 tildes but my username is Billy Goober and the date is August 21 2020 at 8:26 PM
 * You're going to have to be more specific. What wiki and pages are you having issues on? Are you getting a specific error? If you consistently can't access wikis to the point of not being able to edit this page, email tech@undefinedmiraheze.org with those details (what specific URL(s) are giving you what error(s)). -- Void  Whispers 02:09, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

The entire wikis hasn't been working and going back to working every wiki. Thank you. Billy Goober August 21 9:25 pm
 * That's still not really enough detail. Are you able to connect with us on either Discord or IRC to chat in real-time? Or, alternatively, to e-mail  as  suggested above?
 * Also, are you able to go into your Special:Preferences and set a signature that includes your username and talk page, like Billy Goober (talk), selecting the option to "treat signature as wikitext"? Then, to sign your posts, you just type four tildes at the end of every post. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 02:37, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't know but I did just email them Billy Goober August 21 10:36

Can I import a bunch of markdown files exported from another wiki?
My wiki exports as a zip of markdown files. No xml in sight.