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Naleksuh (Wiki creator)

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 * Successful. John (talk) 20:55, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

User: Naleksuh ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log ) Group: Wiki creator Reason: Following my encouraging him to volunteer on Meta in an increased way as a wiki creator, has accepted my invitation to be nominated as a wiki creator. Naleksuh is very active on Public Test Wiki as a  and. Though less active on Meta recently, he has also created a wiki in the past, is familiar with Content Policy, and is looking to volunteer on Meta in an increased capacity, in addition to continuing his work on TestWiki. With the recent inactivity and retirement/resignation losses we've seen recently, we've seen a net decline in our number of total and active wiki creators, despite the additions of myself and. As a result, in the near- to medium-term, we require both English speaking and multilingual wiki creators, and Naleksuh would be excellent in this role. In addition, though less relevant for the role of wiki creator, Naleksuh is active with monitoring and tracking long-term abuse cases on the Wikimedia project wikis.

Additional comments:


 * Nominated by: Dmehus (talk) 22:56, 5 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Nominated Candidate's Indication of Acceptance: Naleksuh (talk) 23:01, 5 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Nominated Candidate's Acceptance Statement: Thank you for the nomination. With wiki creator, I hope to create wikis ensuring content policy is followed (Requests for Comment/Topic ban Reception wikis is currently still open, but I will make sure to note the result as people do request a lot of these). I would say my main weakness is my 42 edits here, however I have been assured by several others this will not be an issue so long as I am actively creating (and declining, where appropriate) wikis. Thank you for the opportunity. Naleksuh (talk) 23:01, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Dmehus (talk) 22:56, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note Please remember not to !vote or ask questions until after the candidate has accepted the nomination and made their statement. Thank you.

Additional comments:

Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * Comments/Questions
 * 1)  As proposer. Naleksuh provides rational arguments and counter-arguments to discussions, is receptive to feedback, a quick study to various wiki policies on wikis where he holds an account, and asks questions of colleagues where he is unsure. Dmehus (talk) 23:05, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)  I've seen good activities. (and I don't know if using the same account on Wikimedia, Wikimedia project's Naleksuh is doing good activities there. Is that you?) --Gomdoli4696 (talk) 00:25, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yep that is indeed me. As said in the nom statement, "Naleksuh is active with monitoring and tracking long-term abuse cases on the Wikimedia project wikis." Naleksuh (talk) 00:48, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, it was already written. :) --Gomdoli4696 (talk) 00:51, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * 1)  I haven't had too many personal interactions with Naleksuh, but from what I do know, they know the policies well and would be a good wiki creator. 17:46, 7 October 2020 (UTC) ］ |


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BlackWidowMovie0000Editor (Wiki creator)

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 * Unsuccessful. Numerous oppose votes, no support. Feel free to try again when you have more trust and experience. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  21:10, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

User: BlackWidowMovie0000Editor ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log ) Group: Wiki creator Reason: With the COVID-19 pandemic going around, there is a need for wiki creators as people need to spend time with their families. I would like to nominate myself for this because I want to shorten the period between the time of the wiki being requested and the time of the wiki being accepted. I will decline requests I feel are unacceptable, and accept all others. Thank you. BlackWidowMovie0000Editor (talk) 00:25, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Additional comments: Feel free to ask any questions, leave any comments.
 * Questions
 * 1) How would you action the following wiki requests:
 * 2) * Sitename reads "Lousy Subreddits" and description repeats the sitename
 * 3) * Sitename is in Mandarin or Cantonese. Description is also in Mandarin or Cantonese, but translates to English using Google Translate as "esu mini world anti-dog wiki"
 * 4) * A wiki whose description proposes to discuss and analyze the Nazi socialism ideology
 * 5) * A wiki whose about the children's cartoon television series Dora the Explorer
 * --Dmehus (talk) 01:14, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * In response to @Dmehus:
 * Request Clarification: As Reception Wikis are permitted (just not the ones based on users), I would ask for more information on whether they are planning to include users in the Lousy Subreddits wiki.
 * Approve: Based on a specific topic, passes the Content Policy.
 * Speedy Decline: I would immediately decline it, as adhering to the Content Policy. It states that Things which have a tendency to draw unwelcome attention to the wiki farm, such as hate speech, routine denial of service attacks, excessively violent content, or places in which illegal activity is discussed can create conditions that penalize other wikis, either in SEO, domain blacklisting, downtime, or excessive Miraheze staff time usage, especially in terms of policing content or insuring system stability. Neo-Nazis are illegal in the UK, so this is an immediate violation of Meta's policies.
 * Approve: Dora the Explorer is a specific topic and passes all rules of Miraheze's Content Policy.
 * These are the decisions I would make when coming into contact with these requests. BlackWidowMovie0000Editor (talk) 15:49, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * Comments
 * 1) canvassing on multiple discord, can upload evidence if required. Prior behavioral issues on communication platforms, and prior CoC violations Zppix (Meta &#124; CVT Member &#124; talk to me) 00:28, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * To respond to this, I put it out there on 2 servers. As for the behavioral issues and CoC violations, I've learned from my mistakes and have tried to be a productive member of the community from then on. BlackWidowMovie0000Editor (talk) 00:36, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd like note you were legit just on a restriction due an appeal for a perm discord ban not even 10 days ago. Zppix (Meta &#124; CVT Member &#124; talk to me) 00:41, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * 12 days. And I have not had even a minor infraction since then. BlackWidowMovie0000Editor (talk) 00:51, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I would also like to add you for the lack of a better word, fluffed, your edit count to get autoconfirmed to even get access to this page, can also supply that evidence as well if required. If you are unable to legitimately get 10 edits, how can I be able to trust you being able to create wikis? Zppix (Meta &#124; CVT Member &#124; talk to me) 02:33, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I have 1500 edits on the main wiki that I edit on. I very rarely use Meta, so I made a couple edits to my profile page in order to get the role. That is not against Miraheze's CoC. BlackWidowMovie0000Editor (talk) 15:30, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I personally do not view Meta editing activity as essential for wiki creator, though I do view it as essential for other roles on Meta, so that's a fair point. As to the canvassing concerns, I'm willing to assume good faith that you removed the post in  on Discord that you realized, quickly, it was a mistake and not appropriate, and thus deleted it nearly as quickly. One message in your Marvel Cinematic Universe Discord server does not make canvassing, so then my only concern is your ability to assess wiki requests, which I can't do without answers to the questions above. Dmehus (talk) 15:42, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * @Dmehus questions have been answered. And yes, I did realize it was inappropriate canvassing so it was deleted. BlackWidowMovie0000Editor (talk) 15:54, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * 1)  I am not going to get into full detail of my oppose but BlackWidow has shown no experience in knowing our wiki creating policies nor does he show any maturity towards wanting this role I am thinking this is more of a Snowball clause request to me, I can just go on and on with more reasons why he should not gain these kind of tools but I am going to add on there a few more things he has argued with users on Discord a lot about wiki issues, he does not assume good faith, he does not have much experience in MediaWiki, and his account is still young. Not to mention he misused his powers on a wiki not going to go into detail there but I would like to see his behavior improve then I can go to a maybe weak oppose but for now I have seen his behavior has not improved but gotten worse therefore I am opposed --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 02:17, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Coco, there are countless things I could say, but I'm not going to. It is not true that I do not assume good faith. I have always assumed the best about users. I have a little experience, but do not need much experience in MediaWiki, as this is a job for creating wikis, not for a SysAdmin. My account is young, yes, but I have experience and know how to navigate and use Miraheze well. And quote: "Not to mention he misused his powers on a wiki not going to go into detail there". Explanation: He asked what was considered "canon" in the timeline of the MCU. I responded, he did not like my answer, so he called me a "power abuse". Can upload screenshots if necessary (from Cosmos server). It is true I have disagreed with users on wiki policies and such, but 99.9999% it has always been respectful. Hope that clears stuff up for users. BlackWidowMovie0000Editor (talk) 15:30, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) I do not trust you, sorry.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 03:48, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , for now, as the BlackWidowMovie0000Editor did not meet my requirements of obtaining a score of 75% or better in their answers to the above questions. I would suggest reapplying in a month or two, perhaps considering a temporary wiki creator request that would allow you to have a demonstrated track record when you reconfirm your request for permanent wiki creator. Dmehus (talk) 16:22, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I see what questions I got wrong and why. 1. Decline Because it's a reception wiki. And I could do a temp wiki creator request. BlackWidowMovie0000Editor (talk) 16:26, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * For question 1, I gave you half a point for that, as it wasn't technically incorrect, but your answer was incomplete as it didn't suggest what you needed clarification on. I am willing to discuss privately with you the answers to the questions. If you're willing, I'd be willing to mentor you over the next month or two, asking you some Content Policy-related questions, and then you can resubmit your request in such time, better prepared for passing. How does that sound? You can either withdraw your request if you wish, or direct message me on Discord to do the same for you. Dmehus (talk) 16:36, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * If it's not too much trouble for you, I would like to be mentored by you on wiki creator things. I'm not gonna withdraw my request, I'm gonna let it stick for now, and see if people will support me for wiki creator. It might influence my decision on when I will next ask for wiki creator if I fail. BlackWidowMovie0000Editor (talk) 16:45, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * While this request has no chance at passing, I am intrigued by your statement about shortening response times. The average response time while I am online is about two minutes, although it is longer when I am offline. Do you feel that the response times are too long, and / or are there complaints about them? Naleksuh (talk) 19:59, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Response times? I am not sure I quite understand. BlackWidowMovie0000Editor (talk) 20:03, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * As you said in the request, "the period between the time of the wiki being requested and the time of the wiki being accepted" - that is the response time. Naleksuh (talk) 20:17, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * 1)  for now. Sorry but some of your content policy question answers aren't correct. Maybe next time in a month, or two, try again. You can also do a time-limit wiki-creator if so, but that's up to you.   Circley  Does Extracter    ( Circley Talk  |  Global   |  Email the Cloud )  20:22, 22 October 2020 (UTC)


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User: Zppix ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log ) Group: sysop

Reasoning for request
Alright, let me start off by saying that this decision to post a revocation of rights request was so not made lightly or easy in any case. I understand there will be mixed opinions about whether this is warranted and whether I am mistaken to even take such action as posting this request. That's fine, but I will give in detail the reasoning for my posting of this proposal.

Over the past month or so, Zppix has made some very questionable decisions, which has apparently resulted in hi
 * 1) Feeling as though he is not limited by the policy to which he is bound by;
 * 2) Failing to assume good faith to new users on Meta;
 * 3) Failing to adequately warn good faith users who make mistakes user talk pages, seemingly preferring to take the action which requires the least amount of effort (i.e., a block);
 * 4) Feeling as though he is impervious to error when other administrators question his administrator actions and/or decline to act; and,
 * 5) Being unable to differentiate between his Meta administrator and Global Sysop roles, which suggest role conflict

Firstly, some examples of this include Zppix has been very rude to newcomer users and has not been assuming any good faith, and has been far to quick to take action against simple good faith mistakes with no attempt to engage with them beforehand.[src] There was also this example[src] in which he blocked a user for a week, without warning, merely for trying, in good-faith, to create a user page and being blocked by an abuse filter. He also ignored a warning from another Meta bureaucrat on his own talk page, [src] to which he obviously saw per is own responses to another user to that very same thread, [src] but had no effort to improve upon his behavior and to seemingly have no regard for John's warning, which is absolutely unacceptable for a Meta administrator to disregard a warning from a Meta bureaucrat or even any fellow Meta administrator, least of all one who is also a steward, like that.

Most recently he issued a local Meta block against a user which he had been previously arguing with on his talk page [src] and on Discord. On IRC, during a conversation with other users, Zppix even acknowledged that he should not take action against this user because he was personally invested in it. [src] However, he seemed to not care and blocked the user anyway.[src] That is an example of an action which he should've not done and waited for approval to block him from whomever he claimed to have talked to. [src], [src], and [src] It is worth noting that Zppix also during this same IRC conversation, apparently requested another Global Sysop or Steward globally lock his account for something occurring in Meta alone as well as his own personal annoyance with the user, letting personal opinion dictate his actions as a Meta administrator. The fact that he feels the user should either be globally locked or locally blocked on Meta suggests he either doesn't understand the difference between the purpose of a global lock and a local block, or, even more problematic, he apparently feels as though he can do either. src After seemingly failing to get another volunteer to globally lock this user, he took his own local action on Meta, once again, showing his disregard for the community and authority.src

As a final note, I would like to add that far too often, the log entries Zppix gives are very vague.[src]

Additionally, should this revocation request pass as successful, the community additionally requests that a bureaucrat and steward review the circumstances surrounding Zppix' global account locks and Meta blocks in the past 30-60 days (steward or bureaucrat discretion applies here), excluding spam only accounts, to ensure that they were all justified and appropriate to the policy infractions claimed.


 * Note: Given that this involves both his Global Sysop and Meta administrator roles, there is also a companion revocation request for Zppix'  Global Sysop user group at Requests for global rights, in which you're encouraged to review and express a view.

Additional proof/explanation

 * Regarding the IRC conversation, which you can see in the section below, Zppix originally requested that that user be globally locked. That is a 100% inappropriate action towards a user who was doing good faith edits, and only made mistakes on Meta alone, absolutely nothing to actually warrent a global lock. And I have absolutely no idea his rationale for attempting to get someone else to globally lock a user where a global lock is not warrented.

Support
Per my proposal.