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Missing Wiki - help needed to find it!
Hello all, I have been the editor of soilproject.miraheze.org, but we did not frequently update the Wiki. I've just checked in and realised that the site is missing - possibly due to the MetaWiki upgrade. I would like some help please to figure out how to find, and reinstall the data for this wiki! Does anyone have a clue how I can do this?

Thank you very much in advance - we had quite some content and links on it!

my best, Huiying Crumb (talk) 16:52, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, in accordance with our Dormancy Policy, your wiki was deleted for inactivity. At this point the database has also been deleted, and thus we can't restore your wiki. I apologize for any trouble this may have caused you. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 16:57, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * As MacFan4000 pointed out, your wiki seems to have been deleted pursuant to the Dormancy Policy. After 6 months of no activity, your wiki is closed and deleted. However, it may be possible to restore your wiki. First, request the wiki again. Secondly, open a Phabricator ticket asking if it would be possible to restore the data on your wiki. Usually, it's possible to restore the wiki however there is no guarantee as to it. Hope this helps! Agent Isai  Talk to me! 17:26, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Internet archive has archived only one version of the main page, was this a private wiki? So there is no hope to find the site in this archive, --LilyLilyu - smile.svg talk and I will listen · Lilypond Wiki 19:19, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much all, I've followed @AgentIsai's suggestions and put in a request - via the wiki request page and Phabricator. Let's see how it goes. Thank you!
 * @Lily, it wasn't a private wiki. We've had the site go dormant before (small team) and managed to successfully retrieve it via the request wiki page. Crumb (talk) 07:18, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Limit on tags or just a bug?
For several pages on my wiki, we would need lists of several different equations (up to maybe 1-3 hundred) but seems to stop rendering them way before this. I am not sure whether this is an intentional limit or a bug, or maybe to do with the extension's settings (currently rendering them as pngs, maybe svg would work? I cant change them).

Here's a pic of the error https://imgur.com/a/QADHXIj

TGR (talk) 11:22, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi thanks for your feedback...
 * Did you enable the mw:Extension:Math? And Were the images uploaded in your wiki or from Wikimedia Commons or Our very own Commons? Ugochimobi (talk) 13:56, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * @Ugochimobi I have enabled the extension, and the image is from my wiki, specifically https://googology.miraheze.org/wiki/List_of_functions.
 * TGR (talk) 18:45, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * So is it by any chance working now? Ugochimobi (talk) 18:51, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * @Ugochimobi I always had the extension enabled, the error still occurs after a lot of tag use
 * TGR (talk) 07:56, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Over here, the problem no longer persists on that page. Everything works fine now. Ugochimobi (talk) 10:26, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Look at the bottom of the page, error is still there TGR (talk) 14:26, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Please split the page up. 1-3 Hundred is probably past the rate limits. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  11:45, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The limit is ~120 requests per 10 seconds for Math so I wouldn't go above 120. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  11:47, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
 * is there no way to go beyond this limit? FANDOM seems to have no such limit TGR (talk) 23:37, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Consider the issue closed, i disabled the math extension and imported a seperate js file that handles more equations, it is now working fine TGR (talk) 15:44, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Nice! Sounds great. Ugochimobi (talk) 15:47, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * {Ping|TGReddy}} I have done the same in my wiki after I read this thread. It is working fine (with some exceptions which I handled with the extension math). I tried to copy the JavaScript code into my own wiki but that did not work out. Maybe the code is to long or too complex, any ideas why? Thank you, greetings, --LilyLilyu - smile.svg talk and I will listen · Lilypond Wiki 20:29, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * copy and paste whats in https://googology.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js into your Common.js, otherwise i'm not sure whats wrong. make sure to use \( and \) to delimit the math you want TGR (talk) 07:01, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for you tipp, I have already done this. What I wanted is to insert the whole javascript code because webpages tend to vanish over the time, greetings, --LilyLilyu - smile.svg talk and I will listen · Lilypond Wiki 07:45, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * that wont work, i tried already. the site i have chosen should not vanish for a very long time, however TGR (talk) 15:17, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * that wont work, i tried already. the site i have chosen should not vanish for a very long time, however TGR (talk) 15:17, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Two global interwiki admins completely inactive
I have been thinking about this from the past few days that two of the global interwiki administrators are inactive. has made his last edit on 26 September 2019 and last log action on 14 January 2019 while has made his last edit on 1 June 2019 and last log action on 26 February 2019. While we don't have any provision to remove interwiki administrator flag because of inactivity, I guess we can't remove them from the user group.

What else can we do to remove the flag, because of inactivity? Maybe we can discuss this on the Community noticeboard or at any RFC to proceed to remove those groups from the inactive users or we should do nothing at all! ~ Mazzaz (talk) 08:00, 20 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I have looked thoroughly on the Policies of the Interwiki Administrators and I couldn't find any that specified that Interwiki-Admins that are inactive would be revoked of their rights. Maybe it's a lacuna that needs to be filled up or a normal policy. Ugochimobi (talk) 14:43, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
 * If there isn't a policy, I support making one in the name of access control and standardization. --Raidarr (talk) 11:59, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes! We need to cover up that loop. I wonder why there was never any. Ugochimobi (talk) 17:03, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Interwiki administrator is a relatively minor role. Historically, it's been granted to users, in some cases, where the user is a bureaucrat across multiple wikis. This is one of those cases; Shaunak Chakraborty could be a similar example. I personally don't see the need to be too strict for such a minor user group, as it's quite possible the user will return to active status soon, and they do speak multiple languages (including the Asian languages, of which were' in short supply). Dmehus (talk) 23:00, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
 * It's nothing bad though. I got your point. Ugochimobi (talk) 09:22, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * While I agree with Doug in that it's a small role, it could potentially be abused should the user become compromised and adds malicious links to the global interwiki table. A spambot could then abuse that to add links onto wiki pages without tripping the abuse filter. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 16:06, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Request to download my wiki
Hello, I would very much like to download the wiki I made. I put so much time into it, and now I need information that is stored on the wikis pages. It is inactive I think. The name was darkfallnewdawn.miraheze.org Khamset (talk) 10:25, 26 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Have you tried Special:DataDump on that wiki? ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  10:31, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Does not work. Khamset (talk) 15:56, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Could you elaborate on how it does not work? Agent Isai  Talk to me! 16:27, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, it says the wiki does not exist. I haven't been edited for over a year now I think. Khamset (talk) 18:07, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * According to SECTION 1 of the DORMANCY POLICY a wiki that has been dormant for minimum 180 days/6 months will be marked as DELETED and after 2 more weeks, It'll become eligible for PERMANENT DELETION. This implies that your wiki has been permanently deleted, If only the One Year (1yr) you mentioned is accurate. Courtesy ping to Ugochimobi (talk) 14:04, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * If it was public then Reception will be able to recover it via a phab task. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  14:28, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Per RhinosF1 above, If your wiki was a public one it could still be recovered by filing a Phabricator task requesting it back. If the latter, then it can't be recovered. Ugochimobi (talk) 15:22, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

ManageWiki review changes dialog, another SRE request for community input
Hi everyone. We are once again requesting community input on making yet another fairly large change to the ManageWiki user experience. This time, we want to know what everyone thinks of a change, which adds another button next to the "Save" button, that allows reviewing changes made before submitting, if you wish. Please let us know of any thoughts, objections, or support, or even suggestions for improvement on this that you would like to see before deployment. Thanks!

Originally requested in T5412

Example of how it will look, should it be deployed https://imgur.com/a/T9cURGX.

Thank you,

Universal Omega 20:18, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Based off some feedback received, I have changed the wording of the dialog to make things more clear. I have added an example of the new version to https://imgur.com/a/T9cURGX. Thank you! --Universal Omega 01:18, 27 July 2021 (UTC)


 * While it does seem a bit barebones and rather technical, it's still a step in the right direction. I hope that SRE continues in this direction and makes improvements to this. Newest revision looks awesome and addresses most aspects of my issue. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 20:21, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Wow. Such amaze. But on a serious note, this change is amazing  —［ <span style="font-weight:800; padding:0.25em 0.5em;border-radius:.35em;background-color:#d2527f;background:background-image: linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228); background-image: -o-linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228); background-image: -moz-linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228); background-image: -webkit-linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228); background-image: -ms-linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228); background-image: -khtml-linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228););color:rgba(255,255,255,1);text-shadow:0 1px 1px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.2)">Bukkit  ］［ Talk  |  Contributions  |  Barnstars  20:23, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * the review pop-up is a bit confusing if you're not familiar with the different elements (variables?). But it's a good change! --Ondo (talk) 20:26, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * per comment on discord. Ugochimobi (talk) 20:35, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I like the improvement. --Avengium (talk) 20:39, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * it is a nice change, no doubts, but I still think it needs a more friendly look/form for new users. KatozzKita (talk) 20:46, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I think that this is a great change. Joritochip (talk) 22:49, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Quite a useful improvement. — Arcversin (talk) 01:22, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Makes sense to me, there's been times when I had to double take to remind myself what I changed. RestlessHavens (talk) 09:42, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * just like last time, it's a very nice improvement of ManageWiki. &mdash;Lakelimbo (talk)&emsp; 12:40, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * – all of the above. ~ Mazzaz (talk) 04:57, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Page Forms Questions
How can configure a form so that a field does NOT display on the page if the user does not click away from the default value (e.g. "None" for a dropdown or radiobutton). I want that field to not show up on the final page, but I want it to always be viewable under "edit with form." Thank you. ParentRatings (talk) 07:13, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Also, is there a way to change what is displayed on the page so that it is different from the form field? For example - if I am editing with form and have field Color dropdown red, blue, green. If I select red, then on the page it will display - Color: red. Is there a way to change the output so that it displays "Red Color is Selected" instead of "Color: red" but keep the form the same? Hope the question makes sense. I've searched the PageForms documentation and haven't been able to find anything to help me answer these questions. ParentRatings (talk) 20:15, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

I cannot login my old account at Nonciclopedia
When Nonciclopedia and 伪基百科 were hosted by Wikia, my old account name was Bhenry1990. But after several years, when I try to return to 伪基百科 which hosted by Miraheze now, I cannot login my old account there because it doesn't exists there anymore. I cannot recreate my old account either, because Nonciclopedia which hosted by Miraheze has same account name. Neither can login my old account at Nonciclopedia, nor can I receive reset password mail from Nonciclopedia. So I create another account to ask Miraheze and Nonciclopedia: what happened to old Wikia account name after Nonciclopedia move to Miraheze? Did Nonciclopedia freeze that account, or someone registered that account without making any new contribution? I want to get my old account name back, thanks. Bhenry2021 (talk) 12:46, 27 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Amazing having you here on Miraheze. Firstly, Wikia is by no way related to Miraheze, both parties aren't having the same database, not the same Board, not the same Project at all. Your Bhenry1990 account on Wikia is by no way the same as the in Miraheze, Someone else owns the account with the username Bhenry1990 (if only the account exists in the first place). So in a nutshell, you cannot log in to a Wikia account on Miraheze because Miraheze is not Wikia. And lest I forget, The Nonciclopedia and 伪基百科 in Wikia is not the Nonciclopedia and 伪基百科 in Miraheze. Ugochimobi (talk) 15:58, 27 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Now I have to figure out whether was created automatically by previous contributions when Nonciclopedia move to Miraheze, or someone else registered it. It seems like the edits at unpedia.miraheze.org are forked from アンサイクロペディア, and the edits at zh.gyaanipedia.com are forked from 偽基百科. I have my old account at アンサイクロペディア and 偽基百科. Maybe their forked edits merged into the same account as Nonciclopedia's Bhenry1990. Bhenry2021 (talk) 03:05, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, another important thing you need to know is that When for example, a page was imported from the Nonciclopedia in Wikia to the Nonciclopedia in Miraheze, and the "Bhenry1990" user contributed to that page, If the full revision of the page was imported, The Bhenry1990 user comes along with the page. But that doesn't mean that the account was created though. But if you try to create an account with that username in question and it says username already in use, then someone else has used it here on Miraheze. Hope that helps. ;-) Ugochimobi (talk) 08:17, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Miraheze Limited Seeking New Director of Site Reliability Engineering
Miraheze Limited are currently seeking a new Director of Site Reliability Engineering to take charge and lead Miraheze's technical infrastructure, growth and budgeting. Anyone interested in the role can find more information at blog.miraheze.org. For the Board, Owen (talk) 13:51, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

SRE Statement - User Logouts (T7701)
On 27th July, We logged all users out following a report by a trusted volunteer that an OAUTH2 Rest Endpoint was incorrectly caching some responses resulting in some users being shown as logged in to the incorrect account if 2 requests were made in quick succession. This did not expose any private user information.

We took action to prevent caching of all API and REST pages and logged all users out by resetting tokens in case any other pages were leaked.

We have no evidence that anything outside of OAUTH2 was impacted and access to this endpoint was limited to only one application which was ran by said volunteer. We have already spoken to you directly if you were impacted.

Please know that the security of your information and your privacy are very important to us. In the light of our commitment to transparency, relevant actionables and lessons will be shared with you for community feedback.

If you have any questions regarding this incident, please ask on the talk page or email tech(at)miraheze.org.

Thanks,
 * RhinosF1 (Miraheze) (talk)
 * Miraheze, Technical Team
 * 08:59, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Well done, though one question; pardon the ignorance, but is there any potential issue regarding leaks on a third party (ie, custom) domain in the time of the issue? --Raidarr (talk) 10:26, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * All custom domains are treat in the same way by our backends. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  10:28, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Background for a wiki
How do I change the background of my wiki? The wiki in question is Wiki for Media of Good, and I am intending for a space/cosmic/galaxy/universe background. FreezingTNT (talk) 00:50, 29 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Upload the image to your wiki, then add the following to either Mediawiki:Common.CSS or Mediawiki:Vector.CSS


 * Hb1290 (talk) 10:57, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi. So here is what I have so far. However, there's a jarring line of black at the top of the giant square thing with the article contents, and the background thing isn't a transparent version of the color I'm intending for. Help?

EDIT: I also need help making the respective "Message", "Discussion", "Read", "Edit source" and other tabs be both the same color as the background and in transparent.

FreezingTNT (talk) 04:31, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * When you right click on the element you want to change and chose "inspect" (or something similar, my browser is not in English), then you can check out the id of the elemnt eg  and you can change the background and other properties by editing either Mediawiki:Common.CSS or Mediawiki:Vector.CSS as described by Hb1290 -LilyLilyu - smile.svg talk and I will listen · Lilypond Wiki 20:39, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi. Try adding  to your background image CSS. Some other tweaks to consider:

Hb1290 (talk) 03:51, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

So I tried using your stuff, and it doesn't look so good. Hence why I promoted you as administrator on my wiki.

FreezingTNT (talk) 01:31, 5 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Just finished working on it. It's looking quite nice now. Hb1290 (talk) 10:50, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * If I may suggest, you might want to consider the bottom link button text and the sidebar contrast (ie, where on certain resolutions the brightest part of the background overlaps with white nav text). Links prove to be rather dark in the text on that background as well. --Raidarr (talk) 13:36, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Putting Infobox on right (Again)
Please put the infobox on the right in all pages please.

https://companyballfanon.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Companyball_infobox/doc TheAnimeMapper2020 (talk) 21:11, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Did you happen to copy this template from a different wiki? If so, you will need to copy their MediaWiki:Common.css page to your wiki. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 21:25, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * It doesn't work. TheAnimeMapper2020 (talk) 23:38, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Try inserting the following into your Common.css:   Agent Isai  Talk to me! 23:48, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Still doesn't work
 * Could you clarify on how it "still doesn't work"? You asked that the infoboxes be placed on the right, from a quick check on your wiki, they appear to be on the right. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 05:37, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Change license
Hi there! Yesterday I decided to move my K-pop wiki from Fandom to Miraheze, but in preparing everything, I ran into a problem. Fandom is licensed CC-BY-SA, but not Miraheze. So it would be incompatible with the Wikipedia license which is CC-BY-SA-3.0 (which is where I have info from my Fandom wiki). So I was wondering if it is possible to license my wiki on Miraheze to CC-BY-SA to make it compatible. It should be noted that my wiki is in Spanish. I thank you all. Black Mamba (talk) 16:53, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, to do this, you will need to file a Phabricator task requesting this. Thank you! Agent Isai  Talk to me! 20:01, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Common.css is not loaded in new wiki
I recently used on my own talk page to seek a solution. I was referred here. I can transpose the content here if desired. The question is already entered here: User_talk:Philoserf.

Philoserf (talk) 18:36, 2 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I solved the issue by using a bit of this and a bit of this and some trial and error. —¿philoserf? (talk) 00:10, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * False hope. I solved my own font choice via the "Shared CSS/JavaScript for all wikis" at meta. The identical "MediaWiki:Common.css" does not get applied when I blank the shared css. —¿philoserf? (talk) 00:15, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Solved. After logging out and clearing browser cache, I have what I desired. —¿philoserf? (talk) 00:23, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

CentralAuth
I'll be sure to repost this in the Discord later if it doesn't get an answer, but why is it that some Deleted Wikis don't appear in Special:CentralAuth but others do? Like, I get that it's when you were blocked on a deleted wiki and all, but why only in that situation? &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 00:19, 4 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Wikis are deleted in two stages. Marked as deleted in ManageWiki and actually dropped from the database. Wikis marked as deleted but not dropped will show as 'miraheze.org' until they are dropped. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  12:28, 5 August 2021 (UTC)


 * They will get deleted once a SRE member drops the database of the wikis.  —［ <span style="font-weight:800; padding:0.25em 0.5em;border-radius:.35em;background-color:#d2527f;background:background-image: linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228); background-image: -o-linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228); background-image: -moz-linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228); background-image: -webkit-linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228); background-image: -ms-linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228); background-image: -khtml-linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228););color:rgba(255,255,255,1);text-shadow:0 1px 1px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.2)">Bukkit  ］［ Talk  |  Contributions  |  Barnstars  01:13, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Infobox glitch
Hello, I have imported the basic infobox for my wiki but there is one small glitch. It displays  right on the infobox, but it is working otherwise. Here's a page: https://shawsnightmare.miraheze.org/wiki/Former_Scout_Boy Any ideas on why this is happening? Mickey96 (talk) 07:23, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * This happened to me in the past. You'll need to change the content model of the page mh:shawsnightmare:Module:Navbar/styles.css into sanitized CSS. ~ Mazzaz (talk) 08:05, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , in addition to what I said above you'll also need to enable TemplateStyles extension. ~ Mazzaz (talk) 08:25, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Server
I have a new server on miraheze for my wiki but I want to export over 1k pages from the old one how do I do this? Miller2007 (talk) 19:00, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello! To do so, click here to download all pages on your wiki. After you do so, file a Phabricator task, upload this dump, and ask for a system administrator to help you import the pages. If you need any help, please reply to this thread. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agent Isai (talk • contribs) 19:14, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I am a system admin it's my wiki. I have all the pages frpom the old fandom hosted wiki on file and I want to import them to my new wiki — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miller2007 (talk • contribs) 19:50, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * When I talk about system administrator, I'm talking about Miraheze admins who have server access. Because your wiki is so large, they need to manually import it using the file that I asked you to download. Just download the file and make a Phabricator task and upload it there. If you don't know how to make a Phabricator task, I can make one for you and upload the XML dump. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 19:58, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * How do I upload the file? Miller2007 (talk) 21:09, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Click here to make a task. If you're asked to login, login with your Miraheze account. When you open the page, at the top left corner it should have a picture of a cloud with an arrow pointing up, click that and upload the dump. In the description, specify that you want that dump imported to millerpediawiki. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 21:22, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I have uploaded a logo but why is it zoomed in? What px should it be? https://millerpedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Millerpedia Miller2007 (talk) 12:26, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, your logo appears normal to me. This might be because of your local browser cache. Try resetting it and then refresh the page. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 15:53, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Twat’s because I’ve changed it as advised by Percy below. Miller2007 (talk) 16:54, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. Glad it worked! Agent Isai  Talk to me! 17:06, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

On 1 of the Help Pages it says the logo has to be no larger than 160x160. As your logo is bigger, it uses the center square. I would use the Rotherham United crest set in a 160 square for the logo. And use the current design as part of your Main Page. PercyUK (talk) 14:55, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Host pre-existing wiki
Hello, everyone.

I want to start a Wiki, but at first as local wiki (I intend to use Docker WSL MediaWiki). After I am done, I would like to upload the wiki to Miraheze.

Is it possible to do such migration? Is it easy to do it?

Thanks in advance. 😄 DarkPaladin125 (talk) 03:51, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Miraheze, we're glad to have you here! It is absolutely possible to import a wiki to Miraheze, all you need to do is export all your pages using your wiki's Special:Export. Doing this will generate a file ending in .xml. If the file is small enough in size, you can import it on your wiki using Special:Import. Otherwise, you can ask a system administrator to import it for you. Hope this helps. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 04:25, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, @Agent_Isai. As always, your replies are clear and quick.
 * Thank you for all the assistance. I'm really starting to enjoy editing wikis. 😉DarkPaladin125 (talk) 04:34, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Miraheze and WMF's Foundation Election
One of the 2021 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees candidates mentioned the future possible partnership between Wikimedia Foundation and Miraheze. Here's the excerpt of his statement : The boundaries of our projects are tightly guarded. Any new communities can only launch after a long and difficult process, and only if they are similar to existing projects and rooted in similar values. We need a diaspora of projects, such as an ad-free, open wiki farm with stable funding and consistent community safety. One potential strategy for resilience would be to support external wiki farms such as Miraheze, provide grants, and help improve safety. This allows communities to grow around multiple centers so different people can find their niche, and avoids the fragility and boringness of central control. It seems important to our resilience that a diversity of wiki farms continue to coexist so that we don't end up recreating the monolithic Wikipedia experience. I've interviewed him directly to ask for further details, you can see the transcript of our conversations here.

What's your opinion, as a member of Miraheze Community, regarding this news? Altilunium (talk) 06:45, 7 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I believe it is great news. Miraheze follows closely the steps of WMF, naming global administrators Stewards, naming system administration Site Reliability Engineering, establishing a Trust and Safety department, using Phabricator as the issue tracker, the list goes on. I believe that WMF providing grants to Miraheze would be very nice and beneficial to the community and would truly help support all projects on Miraheze grow. One thing that I am wondering though if WMF could use these grants to somehow meddle with community decisions. Though this is unlikely, it is one that is to be asked. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 06:55, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd strongly encourage Adam to reach out to us. It's a fantastic idea. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  07:47, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It's a self awareness rarely seen in large-ish volunteer communities that have found their scale and niche. May it continue, and hopefully avoid the caveat Agent indicates may be possible regarding conflict in shot-calling. --Raidarr (talk) 10:09, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, thank you for the invitation. It's nice to see all the positive comments so far!  Of course, optimism comes easily when someone randomly waves imaginary money around <3.
 * I completely agree with, grants can come at a steep price to independence. This would be a major consideration when setting up any such grantmaking program, and I'm not sure the problem has ever been solved in a perfect way.  My understanding is that the minimum requirements would be * an unrestricted grant ("no strings attached"), and * a stable amount, spread out over several years.  It also matters whether the grantmaking organization is itself independent, how performance is evaluated, and so on.  More insidiously, INCITE! Women of Color Against Violence warns of pressure from inside your own organization to conform to a grantmaker's expectations, for example to rewrite your mission statement in terms that will hit desirable, external bullet points.
 * The Miraheze content policy looks like a mature policy, I see that it's inspired by Wikipedia's but includes clauses that read like scars from growing too quickly, e.g. on forking, hate speech, a non-commercial main purpose, etc. I also see that the policy has been continually evolving.  I've been thinking about the minimum standards we would expect of each organization in order to qualify for our imaginary open wiki farm grant, and it also relates to questions of independence.  For example, imagine that we started the grant program with a relaxed standard but then a future Board decides to enforce CC-0 free license compatibility and anyone on Miraheze with "fair use" book covers or text snippets is suddenly in jeopardy, or the whole farm loses its funding.  On the other side of that question, I would expect most Wikimedians to feel strongly that we ask for standards closely resembling what you have here, but not necessarily identical.  Relying on one big grant would be dangerous no matter what, maybe cap it below 50% of your total revenue or take other measures to not collapse in the worst-case scenario.
 * Setting up a thing like this would be a negotiation, and hopefully the "cost" of what you give up by participating is known up front and does not change in the future.
 * One question for now: in addition to cash, what else is lacking that some kind of larger "federation" or grantmaker could help you with? Feel free to go all "genie of the lamp" / "fairy godmother" scale, for example better software support for wiki farms, interwiki entries, global data protection lawyers, a global conference of wiki farms...  —Adamw (talk) 21:56, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * First off, welcome to Miraheze! Indeed, you'll always yield great optimism when money is involved, especially when it's regarding helping a project you truly care about. No one at Miraheze is paid, we're all volunteers who care deeply about Miraheze and it's well-being which is why this opportunity is so exciting. Now, regarding your last question, more than anything, Miraheze could use more volunteers, especially those who could assist in MediaWiki. Our current SRE is a somewhat small team tasked with managing wikis. While they are highly competent and knowledgeable about MediaWiki, issues do backlog from time to time because they sometimes don't have any time to spare to dedicate to Miraheze. Apart from that, as I said, they're highly knowledgable of MediaWiki so better software support isn't really too needed, interwiki entries are managed by our Interwiki administrators who also know their way around the interwiki table, GDPR I would say isn't something that is of worry to Miraheze, they comply accordingly to requests, and a global conference of wiki farms, well, maybe one day... ;)  Agent Isai  Talk to me! 23:10, 8 August 2021 (UTC) I am against the endangering of Miraheze's community-centered approach in exchange for money.
 * For me this reads as an attempt by Wikimedia to absorb the project. Let them create their own free wikifarm if they feel so inclined. More competition is healthy, not less. They certainly have the resources for it. If they don't want such control, they can just let in on it. The fact that they want to keep and expand their "values" to others is worrying. NimoStar (talk) 00:09, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily, the proposal never mentions absorbing it, just providing it with grants as WMF appears to do with other projects. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 00:19, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi there, Trust me, some users might call this move WMF is taking as "absorption" or related, But I do think their aim is nothing more than providing grants to Miraheze just like others. I just hope nothing goes wrong at the end of the day though, I mean, I'm sure nothing is expected to go wrong. Ugochimobi (talk) 09:56, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * As long as (per Adamw's comments) there is transparency and a clear process to maintain independence and clear expectation, there is little risk here. Ideally this is all framed as WMF approving of the Miraheze approach and encouraging more of 'the same' as far as attitude, even if not every detail is going to line up. It can be done properly. If suggesting funding to a specific direction, I would probably offer it for engineering, or even a professional developer to add support that is accountable to the community. A paid position could be dangerous, but might be something to consider since that is the strongest push as far as officially needed positions go. Just my 2c. --Raidarr (talk) 14:19, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Problem with the infobox on mobile
Hello, I have a problem with the infobox on the mobile.（come from Taiwan） On the desktop, the format, width, border, and background color of the infobox can be displayed normally, but when I view it on mobile, none of the above things will be displayed normally like on the desktop. We have also imported Mobile.css but it is still useless, hope you guys can help me solve this problem, thanks! Damian Lee (talk) 07:30, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , hello. Could you please share more details like link to the wiki and any page where the issue can be seen? ~ Mazzaz (talk) 08:43, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * https://jinghe.miraheze.org/wiki/%E6%90%9E%E6%90%9E%E9%8E%AE%E5%9C%8B
 * @Mazzaz, this is one of our pages with country infobox. Damian Lee (talk) 11:37, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Can't find VisualEditor tab after setting extension
I'm the admin of the NewterraWIKI(newterra.miraheze.org). This morning when I tried to start editing the page with VisualEditor as always, I couldn't find the tab of "Edit" but only "Edit source". After hours of trying to fix the problem, adjusting the settings, I still can't get it back. It's really rushy, please help. :( Ranelai2002 (talk) 18:15, 8 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi there!
 * Did you by chance enabled the VisualEditor extension? Ugochimobi (talk) 22:41, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * This is a common bug which is under investigation. What I've seen some do to resolve this is clearing their cookies and logging back in. Others also disable VisualEditor and then reenable it. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 22:59, 8 August 2021 (UTC)