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How do I change permissions to only let myself and any staff I have with me edit a Wikia I currently have?
I apologise if I did this wrongly, I am not very good at this Miraheze stuff yet, and I may have worded this wrong so I am so sorry on this one.

I am currently unsure how to word this but recently I've noticed there's a chance that others could edit the wiki, but while I wanted to let everyone see it for itself, I just wanted to be the only editor on it to avoid any vandalism or just flat-out trolling from other users (just in case).

I'm sorry if this confuses the staff, this is the only way I feel my mind can word this. I hope you're okay with context on this, that's all I know for now.

// TheLCMCShowOfficial (talk) 11:38, 1 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't think that's a good idea. Also I don't think it's possible to do something like that. Iron Sword 23 (talk) 13:52, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * While I would discourage you from doing so, as wikis are based around collaboration (and you can always block the vandals), you could do so by removing the edit permission from the * and user groups at lcmcproincwikia:Special:ManageWiki/permissions, and then adding edit to the sysop group (which will allow you and any other admins you add to edit). You can also create another group with only the edit permission, which you can set to be assignable by sysops, that would allow you to grant edit access without admin access. — Arcversin (talk) 14:25, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * TheLCMCShowOfficial In addition to what Arcversin has said, if a member of your community proposed, via a talk page, to have a discussion to add back the  permission to one of the default user groups, they could certainly request that, as your wiki belongs to your wiki's community, not any one bureaucrat. Dmehus (talk) 14:50, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * While I thank you three for helping me a lot with this, I will say that I’ve had idiots in the past that have vandalised my work on other sites, and I’d rather not have that happen here either. That being said, I do have a staff crew on an alternate website where we talk, and they seem to be okay with it. I am only doing it to make sure social anxiety and worry of future problems don’t screw me up. I also want to apologize here for the fact I edited this on an iPhone as I speak (1:48am AEST or something?)
 * If the group thinks its okay to add some people to help out with the Miraheze thing, maybe in the future, but they are okay with this happening. Thanks for letting me know ^^” TheLCMCShowOfficial (talk) 15:48, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I doubt vandals would try to propose such a discussion anyway and, if they did, I'm sure your active community of editors would oppose such a proposal or otherwise close it expeditiously. No problem. Dmehus (talk) 15:52, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I've managed to try and get permissions fixed, and thankfully they work, however I am trying to make sure I can make edits and such. the asterisk and such thing are doing well enough thanks to the three of you. I am currently looking to ask one or two of the members in my discord group to see if they want to join.
 * ...let's just say I can't really add "grandmanager" to myself (I'm not too smart, lol). TheLCMCShowOfficial (talk) 13:37, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Dmehus I have a bit of a problem now, I can't edit my wikia without adding "grandmanager" to myself, and unfortunately I am somehow unable to do that myself. Can someone please help me out with this? TheLCMCShowOfficial (talk) 10:13, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I think you should go to the "manage this wiki's permissions" section. DuchessTheSponge (talk) 10:43, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * TheLCMCShowOfficial I've found the wiki you're referring to, but both the  and   groups, the latter of which you certainly have, have the   user right, so you should be able to make any changes you need to. What is the issue that you cannot do? Can you clarify this a bit? Also, I noted you have capitalized your group name. This is sub-optimal and not desired and/or recommended. It's best to use all lowercase characters, no underscores, and no spaces in group names. You would then stylize your group names' displayed names using , where groupname is your specified group name. Dmehus (talk) 14:37, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * uhhh... i'm not exactly sure how most of that works. I'm not exactly smart with this stuff. I probably should have made sure it was all lowercase though, I think. The issue I can't do is actually edit the articles, mostly because I can't change my permissions to have "grandmanager" added to myself unfortunately. I'm not sure what to do, and I apologise for not having a clear mind when I reply usually. TheLCMCShowOfficial (talk) 04:01, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I somehow can delete and move pages but I can't edit for some reason :< TheLCMCShowOfficial (talk) 13:30, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry to ping Dmehus again, but I worry that if I can't edit any of the articles again it might go private again :/ I am so sorry to have to be a pain at this time TheLCMCShowOfficial (talk) 03:18, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * TheLCMCShowOfficial Looks like you need to add yourself to the  group on your wiki, as you're missing the   user right. Please click here to do this. Alternatively, let me know if you wish me to do this for you, and I can take care of it from Meta Wiki. :) Dmehus (talk) 05:19, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Could you just please do so? I’d rather not break my user permissions anymore out of worry I’d make it worse XD TheLCMCShowOfficial (talk) 05:21, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * TheLCMCShowOfficial I actually see the issue. You hadn't set any groups to grant the  user group. So, I've now ✅ the ability for your   group to add and the remove the   group using Special:UserRights on your wiki. Please enter your username there, and try and adding that group to you now. Dmehus (talk) 05:32, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I’ll try that, thanks :) TheLCMCShowOfficial (talk) 05:34, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay so I still can't add grandmanager to myself, but I can finally edit my miraheze again, thanks so much for that. If you want to try and add Grand Manager to myself you can, I'm not forcing. But again, thank you. talk) 08:49, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * trying to replying again sorry @Dmehus (it didn't work for me for some reason?). I'm sorry to do this TheLCMCShowOfficial (talk) 11:49, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok another small problem, but it now says "There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages, or search the related logs, but you do not have permission to create this page."... I'm not very good with the granting on them and such at all, I don't think its possible for myself to add the group thing or whatever the problem may be. I apologise again but wow this is difficult. TheLCMCShowOfficial (talk) 11:49, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

TheLCMCShowOfficial ✅. It looks like you created your  group, but didn't first give the   group the ability to add and remove that group. So, in the future, you'd need to do that and, once you've added the  group, you would, presumably, remove the ability for bureaucrats to add and remove it. In any case, I've now ✅ this for you. Dmehus (talk) 15:57, 17 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I have no idea what just happened to this conversation collection, but eh. Thanks man, it really helps :D TheLCMCShowOfficial (talk) 12:09, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * No problem. :) Dmehus (talk) 15:35, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Need to ask something
I created a Ideas NG today and it's showing 0 articles. Anyone have advice?--Iron Sword 23 (talk) 21:21, 3 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Care to elaborate by what you mean? (A) Are you meaning there is no content being added? (B) Or that the MediaWiki software is not recognizing your article count? If B, looking at https://ideasng.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Statistics your articles seem to be recognized by the system. If A, it's normal for few content to be added to new wikis if it is only founded by one person. I would go with the assumption that for some time to come you will be the primary contributor — at least until you have built up your wiki. Of course, it depends on how popular your subject matter is and whether or not there are competing wikis offering the same information. SchizoidNightmares (talk) 20:29, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Adding Reception Wikis as a wiki category
I think that “Reception Wiki” should be added as one of the wiki categories since Reception Wikis are extremely prevalent and common on Miraheze to the point where they have almost become synonymous with each other. Currently, the reception wikis are scattered throughout categories, though most of them are uncategorized. Also, there is a category called “Song Contest” which is probably exactly as it entails. The Reception Wikis are also the most active Miraheze wikis, so I think that they should be a separate category. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 18:12, 5 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I agree if the present system doesn't already classify them in a manner that makes identification more efficient. I would be curious to know just how many wikis are of this nature on Miraheze. SchizoidNightmares (talk) 20:38, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late reply but the majority of the wikis in my CentralAuth are reception wikis. Many of them are abandoned and a lot of them are closed for inactivity. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 22:16, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * ❌ for the time being. —Bu kk it 21:23, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

A countdown clock.
Is there a way to create a repeatable countdown timer that could help me count down repeatedly when a Trophy Season in Brawl Stars is ending and then countdown again for the new season? Song Ngư MGR (talk) 08:33, 9 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Not sure about an animating countdown timer, but you can do something similar using ParserFunctions by subtracting dates after converting them into numerical values: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions
 * The result will be static however (at least won't update on the page without a refresh). SchizoidNightmares (talk) 19:39, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * You can also use Lua for this. For example, the English Wikipedia utilizes Module:Countdown. Other than that, if you want a live countdown timer, you would probably need to do a JS gadget. I could see about throwing one together for you if you'd like. -- Void  Whispers 02:18, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah I'd like to ;)
 * Actually I feel myself just a beginner on my little journey '_' Song Ngư MGR (talk) 03:34, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * So how would you do the way?
 * (I also notice that now you could subscribe to the thread that you are working on :D) Song Ngư MGR (talk) 02:06, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry if this not urgent, but... Uhh...
 * It's 10 days from the last comment that I placed here, Void.
 * So... uhhh... How would you do with the gadget? Song Ngư MGR (talk) 07:31, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Good news, I found an extension called CountDownClock while looking for things for Moderation. Since the documentations said that it would create an dynamic countdown clock, I thinks I would thank you for helping me, but... Now u could rest. Song Ngư MGR (talk) 18:29, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

How can I use interwiki?
Hi Dmehus

After a few searches in the manuals, I found the extensions interwiki. Apparently I can use it to build my wiki in different languages and then link them. I couldn't do it with the extension translate because the language switcher doesn't work the way I want it to. And I don't want the additional language switch above the page text. It's not pretty and it gets really big when you've translated many languages.

In the extensions I have not found any interwiki that I can activate.

a) Is it basically possible to use interwiki on miraheze to have the wiki in different languages?

b) If so, how should I proceed?

c) Or is there another solution without interwiki, besides the one with the language switch above the page text?

Many Thanks! Linuc (talk) 13:37, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

I think my questions are clear, or where do you not understand? Do you have a test system? If so, then test the language switching. Are there any beta developments on this topic? I simply need a solution for my wiki in 4 languages with a pleasant language switcher. There are two of them, one in the sidebar and one in the top right as you can see on my wiki. I would prefer the one in the sidebar. And I would like to solve it without interwiki, that's less work. And it doesn’t have to be that I have 4 wikis, if one can work. Better for you guys, less work. The only thing I do NOT want is that ugly language switcher at the top of the page text. You can see in the example above how it looks with many languages. Bad! So, let me know HERE if it's possible, either with translate and the normal language switcher, or with interwiki. Then I make the decision whether to stay here or to move. Thanks! Linuc (talk) 18:05, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * You can contact an Interwiki Administrator to add them to your local Interwiki Table. Buk kit  (talk) ( C ) 13:42, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your answer. Do you know anything more about it?
 * a) How do I create another wiki for an additional language? Do I have to open another account with miraheze? Or can I have several wikis with one account?
 * b) How does the translation work? Do I just set up the second wiki in the second language without the translation function of miraheze? That would mean that changes in the basic language would not automatically "request" a change in the translation?
 * c) Is there a solution with multiple languages but only one wiki? Without the additional language switch, as you can see in the following link?
 * mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Contents
 * d) In this example I can switch the language at the top of the page text. But the sidebar remains in English :-(
 * e) I need a simple language switch in the sidebar (or in the top right above the text), which switches all elements, i.e. sidebar, menu, footer AND page text. The language switch should only be a small selection field, either with all languages, or only with the available translation languages of my wiki.I have both turned on in my wiki. But they didn't work. At the moment I have NO translated pages, I deleted them.
 * linuc.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page
 * f) Can I still set up my wiki in English without running into a dead end? Will it be translatable by any of the methods if they exist? Linuc (talk) 15:00, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * a) You could create multiple wikis for your wiki's languages, but all of them still need to be requested on Special:RequestWiki.
 * b) You mean the Translations extension? It would create a subpage corresponds to the language you translate to compared to the original, i.e: Your original page was English and the Vietnamese translation of the page going to be placed on the page's  subpage.
 * c) Use Translations.
 * d, e, f) I don't have much good at English since I was just joining Miraheze over an month, so I can't help you with the rest of them. Song Ngư MGR (talk) 15:15, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you Song Ngư MGR!
 * So I have understand the first point well and know now where I can ask for the wikis in other languages.
 * The use of translation I understand and I tested it already. It obviously uses the page translation method and not the entity method. With the entity method, no new pages are generated, just a translation table for the text, field, title, etc.
 * Unfortunately, the language switcher does not work correctly with this method. It only switches the sidebar, the menu and the footer, but not the actual page. If you then click again on the page in the sidebar to display it in the desired language, the language jumps back to the basic language, also in the sidebar, the menu and the footer. The translation of the page will NOT be displayed. It is not clear to me whether miraheze is working on a solution. But there's something like that in beta, I've seen.
 * In order to be able to display the translations, you have to activate the additional language switch by inserting the code lagnuages ​​/ into the page. But this switch is ugly and becomes very large if you have many languages, because it shows all of them (see the example link above). That is not the solution. In addition, only the page text is switched, but not the sidebar!
 * So I hope that the support will still work here and that I get a clear answer to my first 3 questions, respectively. the detailed questions c, e and f.
 * However, I won't wait long, because it's already the 2nd time that I ask support and don't get a clear answer. If it doesn't work, I'll set up my wiki somewhere else, or host it myself. Or I just do a WordPress site, where the translation and language switching work perfectly.
 * But I would prefer a solution with miraheze, if it works :) Linuc (talk) 17:30, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Linuc Are you on IRC and Discord? Questions that involve a lot of back-and-forth are often best asked off-wiki. Feel free to join us in on IRC or in the   channel on Discord, so we can understand your questions better and help you better. Dmehus (talk) 17:36, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, have you consider a multilingual wiki with the Translate extension? It's fairly easy to use, and I personally prefer it to interlanguage wikis. Dmehus (talk) 17:38, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Dmehus
 * Linuc While I haven't yet read all of your follow-up questions, the fact that you have further follow-ups suggests that on-wiki support is sub-optimal; thus, my recommendation to join us on IRC or Discord? In any case, if the issue is with the language switcher, you'd have this problem self-hosting or hosted by Miraheze, so I'm not sure how self-hosting would solve this? Can you ideally join us on IRC or Discord and clarify what you mean? Or, failing that, rephrase your question(s)? Dmehus (talk) 18:09, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Linuc We also have Public Test Wiki where you can request testing permissions and try out the Translate extension fully in your own userspace. :) Dmehus (talk) 18:10, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * You can also put the language switcher at the bottom of the page, as we do here. Dmehus (talk) 18:11, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not here to test miraheze, that's your job. And I'm not here to test MediaWiki, that's MediaWiki. And I'm not here to post my questions in a thousand other places, either. If the first-level support cannot provide the answers, then it is your job to investigate with the second-level support. This is called customer service. But you obviously have no idea about that with miraheze.
 * I am here to do my work on my wiki! But I see that an open-source project is dying here too, due to a lack of competence.
 * Last chance for miraheze, I'll check back in 24 hours. Or I'm gone. Very bad service, really very bad! Linuc (talk) 22:16, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * And because you don't have a test system anyway and don't even read the users' questions, you can test it out on my wiki ... and read
 * One page is translated, the main page:
 * linuc.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page
 * linuc.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page/de
 * There are also two pages for display in the sidebar:
 * linuc.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Mainpage
 * linuc.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Mainpage/de
 * The language switch on the top right of the page is activated (LanguageSelector). Also the one in the sidebar below, with the extension (UniversalLanguageSelector). Beta extensions are also activated.
 * a) When I'm logged in, both switches work, but only for the sidebar, the menu and the footer. The page is not switched. If I then click on the page (News / Neuigkeiten) again in the switched sidebar, the translation is displayed. That is NOT ENOUGH!
 * b) If I am not logged in, only the switch at the top right (LanguageSelector) switches the language in the sidebar, menu and footer. The one in the sidebar (UniversalLanguageSelector) doesn't do anything. If I then click on the page (News / Neuigkeiten) again in the sidebar, the language jumps back to English and the German page is NOT displayed. This is CRAP!
 * Solve the problem! In 24 hours! Linuc (talk) 23:05, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It's a week now, since the problem is posted!
 * meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard#How_do_I_view_a_translated_page%3F Linuc (talk) 00:09, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Please remember that we're all volunteers here; no one on Miraheze is paid anything, and we're entirely donation-funded and volunteer-run. We have scarce volunteer resources. We can only solve the problem if it's (a) sufficiently explained and (b) have volunteers familiar with it. In this case, you've provided some additional detail, which is helpful and appreciated; however, UniversalLanguageSelector is not my level of expertise, so I'll have to bow out here, and allow someone else to take over. Alternatively, I do encourage you to join us on IRC in as we have a broader support community there. Dmehus (talk) 01:13, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Second: After only 2 hours of research on the Internet, I found perfect instructions on how to install and configure MediaWiki, including internationalization and localization (i18n and L10n). Do you not read such things? Third: In my further investigations, I have found that, in addition to other wiki such as xwiki, there are also very strong Wordpress solutions and some go far beyond the level of MediaWiki. For example Yada Wiki, BuddyPress Docs, BetterDocs - Best Documentation & Knowledge Base. There are also wiki themes for Wordpress, for example MyWiki, MyKnowledgeBase, Flatbase, KnowHow. And there is even a method with custom code snippets, which allows a lot of configuration options. So one wonder why one don't choose the simple solution, instead work on miraheze for a whole week to solve a problem that doesn't exist anywhere else! Fourth: The excuse that an open-source project only works with volunteers and only with donations is just an excuse. Many Wordpress projects also work this way and still work. But the problem is that with open source projects there is not a sufficient organization to take care of the resources. That would be all the more important because resources are scarce! But project management is a foreign word for most "Linux experts" and "opensource experts", isn't it? The consequence of this is that there are probably a few million projects, but only a few are successful. Unfortunately, this means that thousands of users are drawn into the problems of open source projects and ultimately have no working solution. But the "experts" don't care because they just want to present themselves as "experts"! I call such people "psychopaths". Fifth: You announce an update for tomorrow. Wow, how are you going to manage a new version if you don't have the old one under control? Have you tested the new version extensively? Have you trained the support on the new version? Have you adapted the documentation to the new version? I think all questions can be answered with no. You just do an update on a system with a few thousand wikis and hope that it will somehow work. And if not, then the user should take a look himself. Is it not so? Sixth: For these reasons, I will NOT carry out my project on miraheze, because I am not interested in spending a lot of time here just to have a well-functioning basic system. As soon as I have finished evaluating my alternative system, I will redirect my wiki, resp. post the new link in my news. You failed! Linuc (talk) 18:22, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * First: The problem is described enough and you could even test it 1:1 on my wiki! But you wrote that you haven't read all of my posts yet! So I guess you didn't test it on my wiki either.
 * In reply to each point:
 * The user in question understood the problem and clearly demonstrated this by stating your concerns wouldn't be solved by using MediaWiki in another environment as you would experience the same problem in all installs because the behaviour is the software - not Miraheze.
 * We have read this, extensively over the past 8 years most of us have run wiki farms that are fully internationalised. We host numerous large scale international communities - including this wiki - which work perfectly fine.
 * It is nice that you have found alternative software to MediaWiki for your needs.
 * Miraheze actually does extremely good work with its very limited resources. Miraheze works this way - just because it isn't able to provide you with dedicated 24/7 support over all the other communities we host and because we are not able to create custom bespoke solutions to problems that have already been solved when we are actively trying to solve problems that have no solutions to date doesn't make Miraheze 'unsuccessful' - if anything is speaks volumes for its 'project management' abilities. The user you're implying is a 'psychopath' has never claimed to be an 'expert' and isn't associated with the few technical resources Miraheze has - they are a user just like you who has chosen to support and provide help to other users in their own spare time rather than come along and demand immediate supporting, setting artificial timelines so they can complain 24 hours later that the volunteer who has no commitments to support you, hasn't.
 * The new version has extensively been tested by volunteers, including those not even associated to the technical side of the project, like yourself. We don't have support to train - we are a purely technical project who provide the platform, software and service. Users like yourself are the ones who provide the support and do a very good job of it. No documentation has been adjusted - because we don't maintain the software documentation, that is handled by MediaWiki itself.
 * For these reasons outlined above, I think the community would also agree it is happy you are not carrying out your project here as you seem to have no respect for our community, our volunteers or our project. The only one who failed here I believe would be yourselves are you have violated our policies on good conduct, have made unreasonable demands on volunteers exactly like yourself and complained that the software we provide doesn't suit your needs and rather than put the effort in yourself to adapt your own wiki to do what you want, expect us to adjust our focus away from providing the entire service and focus on supporting your community. If you deem your own effort is not worth the time, how could you reasonably expect us to justify allocating our scarce resources to achieve what you feel is worthless rather than supporting the many other projects that add value to the world and deem theirs worthy? You failed. John (talk) 14:38, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * All just warm air, a lot of text, no solutions. You are either women or you are gay. Loosers. Linuc (talk) 00:24, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I strongly suggest you retract your comment. However annoyed you are, we have a Code of Conduct that you have to follow. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  07:39, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

User:Linuc As just another user, and not somebody affiliated with the project, let me reiterate: Mireheze team owes you less than nothing. What part of 'community, non-profit, volunteer run' don't you understand? Mireheze is an oasis in the wasteland of other 'free wiki hosting' services, and it is better off for not having entitled users like you around. You need to head over to Hosting services, find yourself a commercial provider with 24/7 support and pay them to answer your demands. 21x (talk) 18:54, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Namespace internalization issues on Nonciclopedia once again
Hi, I'm a user at Nonciclopedia and the namespace translation is once again broken after this new update, like it did randomly around 3 and a half months ago. can anyone help? there was an issue on Phabricator for the last time it happened MrApocalisse (talk) 21:42, 12 June 2021 (UTC)


 * No wonder! With this losser stuff on miraheze! Host your wiki by yourself or on another wikifarm, like xwiki. Or you will loose a lot of time here. I am gone. Linuc (talk) 00:29, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * lol
 * anyway,the issue was solved today,so no biggie MrApocalisse (talk) 05:08, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, Apologies for this happening again after the MediaWiki upgrade. It's been fixed now and we're working on moving the cache out of where it is now so it doesn't get reset during upgrades. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  07:35, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

FontAwesome problems
I got some problem when using template for the PageNotice. I have used FontAwesome to make the icon for both side of the template.



P/S: Damn, the update make my VisualEditor's WYSIWYG edit mode worked again :))

'An small notice: While making this note on the noticeboard, I have accidently blanking the page and I have instantly reverting the problematic thing I have made using TW. Once again, I'm apology to the people have see the page while the page was got blanked out except my message.' -- Song Ngư MGR (talk) 13:13, 13 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Song Ngư MGR, could you create a Phabricator task for this as, until we confirm otherwise this is not a technical issue, I'd rather prefer to escalate it there. Triage as normal for now. Thank you. Dmehus (talk) 21:03, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Done. T7466. Song Ngư MGR (talk) 09:58, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * . Dmehus (talk) 15:51, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Looking for contributors
https://nonepedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page This nonsensical, funny wiki was inspired by Encyclopedia Dramatica, Uncyclopedia and Illogicopedia. I need your help. —Mario Mario 456 20:51, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Close my account
Hello, please close my account on Miraheze, because I am no longer interested in Miraheze. Thanks. SobySobea (talk) 06:21, 14 June 2021 (UTC)


 * SobySobea We can't close or delete accounts, but we can either (a) vanish your account (which can be recovered later and which is handled by Stewards) or (b) anonymize your account (which can't be recovered and which is handled by Trust and Safety). If you prefer the latter, please e-mail . Thank you. Dmehus (talk) 06:40, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * SobySobea You should not have engaged in vandalism on Meta Wiki and Loginwiki. Nevertheless, I'm willing to assume good faith here that this was a temporary, very ill-advised spate of vandalism owing to the fact that your self-requested lock had not been put into place. The fact is, though, it was not put into place because we were awaiting clarification on whether you meant for your account merely to be locked by Stewards (can be unlocked later) or anonymized by Trust and Safety (cannot be recovered later). Nevertheless, I will relock your account as a self-requested Steward lock. Should you wish to later anonymize your account later, you may e-mail Trust and Safety at . Additionally, please consider this your firm warning that vandalism is not tolerated, and you should've instead checked your Echo notifications (red bell) for my ping to you. Thank you. Dmehus (talk) 14:43, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Future of SRE
Hi all, I'm currently working on User:Void/SRE and User:Void/SRE/RfC. On the latter, I am gathering community (and SRE) comments regarding what SRE needs to do in order to improve itself. Any and all comments/proposals are welcome, and feel free to email me (on wiki or directly to void[at]miraheze.org) if you'd like to discuss something in private. -- Void  Whispers 18:47, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, and as always, if anyone wants to volunteer in any capacity, please reach out. -- Void  Whispers 19:23, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * As a former member of the Miraheze SRE team, I find it sad that SRE has gone in this direction, and I hope that we can improve it and make it much better. Also, if more SRE members are needed, I'd certainly be willing to rejoin. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 19:31, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Welcoming new users
Quick question, can I welcome new users? Thnx. Sperosdurell (talk) 19:19, 14 June 2021 (UTC) Sperosdurell (talk) 19:19, 14 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Yeah I think you would be able to do that. Iron Sword 23 (talk) 19:31, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Not sure if mods would approve but ty. Also i welcomed you on the PGA Wiki. Ttys. Sperosdurell (talk) 19:34, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * @arcversin i mean also on meta, not just wikis. Sperosdurell (talk) 19:53, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * When pinging people, you need to format it using the ping template, like this: . — Arcversin (talk) 20:09, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * There's nothing wrong with welcoming people, but you typically want to wait until someone edits before welcoming them. — Arcversin (talk) 19:42, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I Hope i can. Sperosdurell (talk) 19:57, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

did it work? Sperosdurell (talk) 20:22, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It worked. — Arcversin (talk) 20:50, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Activity Issue
So, I won't be able to access my wiki over the summer due to parent problems. Is there a way to mark the LogoFun13 Videos Wiki "Exempt from Inactivity"? LogoFun13-YT (talk) 19:45, 15 June 2021 (UTC)


 * LogoFun13-YT This shouldn't be an issue at all, as wikis aren't made inactive until at least 45 days with 0 edits or logged actions. They aren't closed until 60 days of the same, and aren't even marked as deleted until 6 months. In that time, you can always reactivate or reopen your wiki, and you will be notified via e-mail of each status change, too. Dmehus (talk) 20:05, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Background Image
How can you add an image in the background of a wiki, instead of this white background? Ugochimobi (talk) 13:13, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Check out this page MediaWiki:Common.css --LilyLilyu - smile.svg talk and I will listen · Lilypond Wiki 16:54, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, checking out now. Ugochimobi (talk) 17:02, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Pls select different colors for your website ;-) --LilyLilyu - smile.svg talk and I will listen · Lilypond Wiki 11:35, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Of course yeah. Ugochimobi (talk) 12:41, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Travel guides Wiki golf
If you like simple travel topics, or golf ask me to the wikis. Ty. Sperosdurell (talk) 23:16, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * A link to your wiki would be helpful, greetings --LilyLilyu - smile.svg talk and I will listen · Lilypond Wiki 07:54, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * https://setg.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page here you go 😊 Sperosdurell (talk) 10:20, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you. You can abbreviate the link  Main Page greetings --LilyLilyu - smile.svg talk and I will listen · Lilypond Wiki 17:29, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The wiki needs support. Yaq1121 (talk) 18:22, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * What kind of support? Iron Sword 23 (talk) 19:44, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Anytime would be much appreciated. Yaq1121 (talk) 20:43, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Anything. Yaq1121 (talk) 20:43, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Spambot issue
Recently spambots started appearing on silentblue, and they appear more and more frequently. Just look at recent changes and the logs. Is there something Miraheze management could do to help? Jack980517 (talk) 14:55, 20 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I'll take a look later, but there's a few counter-measures you could take. One includes removing the ability for users to create accounts on your wiki. Cross-wiki spambots that create accounts on other Miraheze wikis are rarer, as spambots typically attempt to spam on wikis where their account was created. This would see you remove the  user right from the   group. You could then direct legitimate human users to Meta Wiki (this wiki) to create their account. Rob Kam does this at his  . Another option, which won't spambot account creation but may prevent spambot abuse log spamming and definitely would prevent actual spam, is to enable the StopForumSpam extension. Globally, I have a couple measures I'm looking to implement in the near future via added anti-spambot global abuse filters and related to that aforementioned extension. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 15:18, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Localisation not working
Some of my wikis are in German, and the link to special pages in the side bar does not work because it is in German and the software has obviously forgotten German names, the main page "Hauptseite" is directed to the English name "Main_Page" and so on. What has happened? Some hours age everything was fine, and now my wiki is more or less useless, --Lily talk and I will listen · Lilypond Wiki 17:31, 20 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Lily I noticed this on  whereby Special:CentralAuth doesn't work in the search bar on that wiki. Can you file a High priority Phabricator task and perhaps Reception123 or Universal Omega can look into it? Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 17:35, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Phabricator task created (in the meantime I have some experience with this ;-) ) greetings --LilyLilyu - smile.svg talk and I will listen · Lilypond Wiki 17:46, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * . For those following, see: ✅. Dmehus (talk) 17:59, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Problem is solved now, greetings --LilyLilyu - smile.svg talk and I will listen · Lilypond Wiki 19:20, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Any possibility to get page view statistics or analytics without Matomo?
We want to have some basic statistics of our page views (ideally as available as time series aggregated daily) to see if and how usage changes after specific actions of advertising our Wiki. Aggregated data without user tracking is totally sufficient.

Our initial idea was to integrate it with our Google Analytics using the Google Analytics Integration or the [HeadScript], which seems deprecated by Miraheze as discussed here because of privacy concerns.

Using this alternative Matomo and MatomoAnalytics seems overkill, as we are already using Google Analytics for the remainder of the pages.

This overview produced by the Special:Analytics of the plugin is not enough, as the aggregation is quite coarse and would require some hacky script to scrape off daily to get daily usage.

However, it seems, that generally the Wikimedia API provides the capability to get pageviews, as documented here:

However, it seems not available in our installation, as this query

https://wiki.climatechange.ai/w/api.php?action=query&format=json&prop=pageviews&titles=Welcome_to_the_Climate_Change_AI_Wiki

Returns: Unrecognized value for parameter "prop": pageviews

Similarly, the REST API here offers the metrics of pageviews, which is not available for our wiki:

What is the best approach for our installation?

Can the Miraheze admins activate the pageviews in the API or are we bound to using Matomo? Didn't find anything in the Special:ManageWiki to do it myself. MarcusV (talk) 12:57, 22 June 2021 (UTC)


 * This request should be made in Phabricator. Thanks, —Bu kk it 17:18, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank. Yes, wasn't sure. Sounded like something that may be a general thing. Thanks, I raised it with #T7512 MarcusV (talk) 20:10, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Generally, yes most posts should be made in the CN, but technical stuff (unconfigurable) should be a task on Phab. —Bu kk it 21:22, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Bukkit I'm actually not seeing as how this would be appropriate for a Phabricator task. MarcusV asked for possible alternatives, excluding Google Analytics which is unavailable for obvious privacy reasons, for analytics for their wiki, something that is in between the Matomo Analytics extension on Miraheze and the Matomo extension. Dmehus (talk) 01:36, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Namespace default link prefix
Quoted from https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Namespace_manager Default link prefix. Links from this namespace to other pages which do not have a prefix will be treated as if they were prefixed with this text. For example, if this was set to "User", a link in the given namespace Dogmaster3000 would be rendered as if it was written Dogmaster3000. The most common use for this is namespace-internal linking. For example, it could be assumed that any unprefixed link in the "Cookbook" namespace points to another recipe, rather than a page in the Main Namespace. How can enable this feature on my newly defined namespace on my miraheze instance? I did create a new namespace, but it keeps linking to the main namespace, instead of namespace-internal linking. Altilunium (talk) 01:49, 23 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Altilunium, ordinarily, if it can't be done in ManageWiki, usually ; however, in this case, as ManageWiki controls our namespace configuration on Miraheze, it might be difficult / not possible without migrating to ManageWiki. What are you trying to do, though? Dmehus (talk) 01:52, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm looking for easier way to do namespace-internal linking. We at the Bluepages community have a discussion regarding how to split the project for each country. The consensus is : split this wiki to several "sub-wiki" by using namespace. Altilunium (talk) 02:06, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Recent Changes Bot
How can I make my own Recent Changes bot to monitor my own Miraheze instance?

I get really anxious whether someone is posting inappropriate / illegal content to my Miraheze instance. So, I want to closely monitor all of my wiki's recent changes. #miraheze-feed is a good start, but I want to monitor my own wiki, not everyone's wiki. Altilunium (talk) 04:31, 23 June 2021 (UTC) If it is failing at this very moment, it's because Miraheze servers are having issues right now, it should work without error once the servers are fixed. 21x (talk) 10:59, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * There is a special page for edits which are not created by your account, insert following e.g. in your userpage  there are far less edits from others than you think believe me ;-) --LilyLilyu - smile.svg talk and I will listen · Lilypond Wiki 07:24, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The main problem is : I want to set up a notification service, directly to my phone. So I don't have to manually, repeatedly check that page. That's why, IRC bot is pretty convenient to me. Regarding far less edits from others than you think, it's better safe than sorry. I have some pretty traumatic experience back then, regarding wiki's open-editing policy. I will ensure myself that this problem wont ever happened again. Altilunium (talk) 07:31, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Altilunium Can you create a MirahezeBots Phabricator task, specifying the name of your registered IRC channel (can be in Miraheze namespace or not), the IRC network it's on (Libera.Chat is strongly preferred), your registered IRC nickname, and the like? The MirahezeBots team will try and get this set up shortly. Thank you. Dmehus (talk) 14:31, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Dmehus Thank you. Altilunium (talk) 15:19, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Altilunium No problem. :) Dmehus (talk) 15:42, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * There is a global recent changes tracker. Join #miraheze-cvt-feed on Libera or go to #cvt-feed on the Miraheze Discord. —Mario Mario 456 19:39, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, in this case, though, they're looking for a specific wiki RC feed, which we do set up. It's just done by the MirahezeBots team. You can see some examples of specific wiki RC feeds at and . Dmehus (talk) 23:38, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * What Doug said, if you let us know what channel and what wikis then we can set it up. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  12:59, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * You could just use the atom/rss version of your recent changes feed and setup a RSS reader on your phone to notify you of any non-own edits to your wiki. I don't think recent changes filters apply to RSS, but you can use a service like https://siftrss.com/ to exclude your own edits. This way, no commitment to maintain new infrastructure is required from the Miraheze team and you can monitors it from as many devices as you want. Here, this one should do the trick: https://siftrss.com/f/lN79WmRnAJW It shows all recent changes on your wiki except by user Altilunium.

Contributing
Do I just wait for contributions? I have like 2 people but no new editing? Thanks. Sperosdurell (talk) 22:37, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Sperosdurell As I explained to you and (Iron Sword 23 also) previously, English Wikipedia fork wikis generally do not well because, well, they're a dime a dozen (that is to say, very plentiful). Plus, users can simply edit the more trafficked English Wikipedia, or they can request their own wiki. If you want to edit a wiki, you have to be prepared to edit your wiki as a solitary activity (that is to say, by yourself). Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 23:32, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Wiki backups cannot be imported
Good night, fine folks at Miraheze. (Just [re-]opened my wiki this afternoon.)

On the new version of my creative-venture wiki, I've begun the task of transferring what got saved from an earlier phase of its development at ByetHost (from October 2020). Minutes ago, I chose a backup XML to test it on and left everything alone, but after selecting "Upload file", an error message appeared:

Import failed: No interwiki prefix was supplied

From here, what else to do? (Not helped by the fact that the original Byet link expired some time ago, because funds weren't forthcoming--so there's no reference link to go by otherwise.) --Routhwick (talk) 03:20, 26 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Under the file selector on Special:Import, there is a field that reads "Interwiki prefix" which is used to correctly attribute edits to users, it creates a link to the wiki that the pages were exported from. You can enter any value in there (e.g. oldwiki, or the name of your wiki) which will cause the history page to list previous contributors as "oldwiki>User" (unless the user locally exists on the wiki, in which case you can select "Assign edits to local users" which will automatically fix that and link to an actual user). Adding an interwiki prefix should resolve your error, you can just enter whatever if you want to. The "oldwiki>User" link will not be clickable unless you ask an interwiki administrator to add an interwiki link to your wiki which will make the link clickable. Agent Isai (talk) 05:47, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Put in "byethost" as the prefix, ticked the "Assign edits" box...and it worked like a charm. Thanks for the help! --Routhwick (talk) 06:16, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Routhwick Did  exist in your wiki's local Special:Interwiki table? If not, you will not have Special:Contributions links to the source wiki and edits may not be locally assigned where the same user exists locally. That being said, this should be able to be resolved after the fact by requesting an interwiki administrator or steward to add a local interwiki prefix for you. I'd just need the source wiki URL. Thank you. Dmehus (talk) 15:23, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * No. (byethost refers to constantnoble.byethost7.com, now already gone as already hinted at; only the backups remain.)
 * Speaking of interwiki linkage...there are a few others I would soon like to add. Among them: foundation for foundation.wikimedia.org, as found in the import for mh:constantnoble:Project:MediaWiki. --Routhwick (talk) 15:33, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Routhwick Ah, okay, that makes sense. Thanks for clarifying! Regarding the  interwiki prefix, we have   in the global interwiki table on Meta. Will that suffice? If you prefer the , let me know, and I can add it locally. Thank you. Dmehus (talk) 18:57, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Definitely! And while we're at it, feel free to add the traditional WMF shortcuts:
 * b (en.wikibooks.org/wiki/$1) (Wikibooks)
 * q (en.wikiquote.org/wiki/$1) (Wikiquote)
 * s (en.wikisource.org/wiki/$1) (Wikisource)
 * as well as:
 * mhm (meta.miraheze.org/wiki/$1) (this very site, which takes the m prefix here on this network--leading to...)
 * wmm (meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/$1) (Wikimedia Meta)
 * rdtr (reddit.com/r/$1) (Reddit subs)
 * rdtu (reddit.com/u/$1) (Reddit userpages)
 * Thanks! --Routhwick (talk) 22:30, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Routhwick Sure thing, no problem! These are now ✅. I've not enabled the transclude flags on any of them, as you (a) didn't request it and (b) in all but one case, the transclude flag was not set globally. Similarly, I've also not set the forward flag as you (a) didn't request it and (b) in most cases, it was also not set globally. You really only need the forward flag set if you want your users to be able to set up hard interwiki redirects (i.e.,, or you want certain bots (i.e., IRC or other bots) to follow your interwiki wikilinks. Also, you may be interested to know that you can request local   permission on your wiki, but it requires holding a local election somewhere on your wiki (i.e., a permissions request page of some sort). After between seven (7) calendar days or so, you then request at stewards' noticeboard for a Steward to assess your local permission request. Note that your account must also meet the local or global prerequisites, as defined here. Dmehus (talk) 22:56, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Welcoming bot
Hello! Are you interested on a welcoming bot? Angelo Pisani (talk) 16:15, 26 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Angelo Pisani For Meta Wiki, or is this a general invitation to set one up on other wikis? If the former, I'm going to say definitely not, unfortunately, mainly because spam only accounts, LTA sockpuppet accounts, and throwaway vandalism only accounts are created automatically on Meta Wiki by the CentralAuth extension, so that would just add a huge amount of unneeded clutter, unfortunately. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 18:55, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Namespace numbers differ between import-ready XML and destination wiki; will it actually work?
One problem down, another one to go. (Original MW filing has received no replies yet, so I'm taking it over to here.)

Early this morning, the namespace system on my just-relaunched creative-venture wiki began anew with specs for "Documentation", assigned the number of 3000. On the old ByetHost site last October, I had namespace-allocation trouble that began with "Documentation", set as "050", falling back to "40"--and that's what I ended up with in the backup XML. Towards the end of our short-lived trial, I managed to fix things up under the intended "50"--but the damage had been done, lessons were learned, and the experiment faded away some time afterward.

Before I resume my import campaign, will the old doc pages still work with the new number regardless? As per usual, I am ensuring nothing goes wrong before I can move on with the rest of my setup. --Routhwick (talk) 03:00, 27 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I've personally imported pages that have had different namespace ids on their original wiki onto Miraheze without a hitch. It shouldn't affect it at all. Agent Isai (talk) 03:23, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, echoing what Agent Isai said, I believe what matters, really, is the namespace names, not the ID numbers. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 03:54, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Turned on Preloader for my wiki--but how to configure or use it?
Because I'm not seeing any settings/pages for it, on ManageWiki or otherwise. (Problem #3 for this Miraheze newcomer, who successfully tested it with on his site's ByetHost precursor.)

Although Preloader is listed among the optional extensions, the only other reference to it on Meta is from back in January 2016, at Request features/Archive 3--and it's not even there at the subdomain referred to. --Routhwick (talk) 07:15, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Double CountDownClock in a single page?
Is this possible to have 2 parser function on an single page?

And if that so, how could I do the other one while the second one I placed disappear on the saved page? Song Ngư MGR (talk) 16:48, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

A question about private wikis
How do I make my wiki private but still readable by anyone. I know that most private wikis are not readable by anyone, but somehow Horrible TV Show Episodes Wiki and Marvelous TV Show Episodes Wiki are still readable despite being private. How would I make a wiki private but still readable, since I plan on making my wikis private so that they can't be adopted, but I still want people to be able to read them. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 18:54, 27 June 2021 (UTC)


 * So, those wikis are not readable by anyone. They're only readable by users in either the  or   local user groups (and stewards, Trust and Safety, and system administrators, of course). So, you basically make your wiki private, but then manually add users to either of the two groups using Special:UserRights on your wiki. You can even use Special:ManageWiki/settings to whitelist a Request access page on your wiki. Hope that helps. Note, though, that private wikis can be adopted by users in the   or   group, provided they were in those groups prior to the wiki being inactive and later closed per Dormancy Policy. Why are you trying to preclude users from adopting your wiki on a community-run, locally-controlled wiki farm, though? It seems counter to the very ethos of Miraheze, if you ask me. :) Dmehus (talk) 18:59, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Well the thing is I want to keep my wikis. Even though I would like people to contribute, I do not want people to think I don’t care about my wikis because I do care about them, I just want to keep my adminship. I also want to prevent my wikis from falling into the wrong hands. It seems like nobody wants to contribute to my wikis anyway. I have other things to do than constantly be updating my wikis all the time. I really wish there were no restrictions on dormancy policy exemption. The problem is that if I abandon my wikis, they end up getting closed. And if someone adopts them, then they are no longer my wikis. And if they fall into the wrong hands it could be disastrous. Also, there really isn't any point in sysops adopting a wiki if they already have sysop privileges. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 19:05, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, you can establish rules on your wiki governing how users are desysopped. If the removals are later done in contravention of those rules, the rights can, and have, in the past, been re-added by Stewards. Dmehus (talk) 19:08, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok. I do already have a sitenotice on two of the three wikis saying that the wikis are not up for adoption since I will most likely continue to work on them at some point. Right now though I have to help out with the rest of the Qualitipedia rebrand and also my idea about neutral Qualitipedia wikis which I posted on the talk page of Greatest Movies Wiki, which can be done after the current phase of the rebrand (redesigning the main pages of Delightful Music & Songs Wiki and Magnificent Literature Wiki, adopting Horrible Music & Songs Wiki and redesigning that wiki, and renaming the URLs of Terrible Shows & Episodes Wiki, Best Shows & Episodes Wiki, Incredible Characters Wiki, Dreadful Literature Wiki, and Magnificent Literature wiki so that their URLs match their proper names). So there is a lot of work to be done. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 20:49, 27 June 2021 (UTC)