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How much storage space does Miraheze have?
Well, My wiki, Crazybloxian Empire, could get large pretty soon. How much storage space does the wiki-hosting service have?

Wiki URL change request
Hey! I wanted to know if it's possible to change the "adventuretime" in to "digimon" in the adventuretimewiki's URL given a change in focus. If it is, then I would like for it to not redirect to our new url if possible. Here's the URL to the wiki I'm talking about
 *  https://adventuretime.miraheze.org  (I just want  https://adventuretime  replaced with  https://digimon  if it's doable)

Thanks in advanced!-Jordan D (talk) 07:57, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Moved from SN Yes, that is possible. Would you be able to request that on Phabricator to facilitate tracking? Reception123 (talk) ('C' ) 08:03, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * That would be nice, yes. Thanks. Sorry for replying so late, I didn't see this.-Jordan D (talk) 16:04, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Special:Import not working
I'm trying to import templates to my wiki (https://hasanistan.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page), like I had done before successfully, and it does not work and comes up with "Import failed: No page to import!".

Please help, thanks in advance! -OIMGov (talk) 18:40, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Maybe your templates have already been imported. Did you check the log?-- 05:01, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Can't be visited in China Mainland?
When I enter miraheze, I get no response, unless I 翻墙, which means miraheze seems to be block.

http://tool.chinaz.com/speedtest/miraheze.org

Why can't it be visited in China Mainland? --SolidBlock (talk) 11:14, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * It's probably because of the great firewall of the Chinese government. You can avoid it by using VPN.-- 11:37, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I do know how to climb-wall. And it connects normally now, and can be searched for by Baidu. --SolidBlock (talk) 02:25, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Since 1.31 importing pages doesn't link to editors who didn't move yet - any fix?
I know this depends on MediaWiki software and not on Miraheze, but I wonder if there's a fix. Importing pages now requires to give an interlink prefix and you can specify whether to assign edits to existing contributors or not, while before it just linked to their pages, whether they existed or not. There's two issues with this new behavior: Did someone have to deal with this? Would Miraheze staff consider changing this behavior or downgrade to 1.30 in order to prevent headhaches from people who want to move here without losing everything?--Wedhro (talk) 15:09, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The user is now displayed as interwiki prefix>user, for example "it>Wedhro", instead of just "Wedhro", which is useless in a wiki which moved from a different website and doesn't differentiate users by their nationality, and doesn't look good on history pages;
 * The user page is linked only if the user already created an account, so moving a wiki, tweaking it and only then allowing users to join will zero their edits and make their username in histories not clickable, which is very, very annoying.
 * Changing this behavior is not really possible. We can, however, attach the edits to a user's account on request. -- Void  Whispers 20:11, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Are you allowed to evade blocks that are obviously made in bad-faith or are otherwise invalid?
This is something that came up in the #miraheze IRC channel this evening regarding several recent CVT actions. Apparently, several accounts were globally locked and several IP ranges globally blocked for “mass block evasion” on a particular wiki. However, nobody involved in performing these actions has been able to clearly state what the original offense was on the original account or IP. “Block evasion” in and of itself can never be the initial reason for one to be blocked. In order to be blocked for block evasion, one must have also been blocked for something else under a different account.

My question is, if that original something else (whatever it may be) was obviously invalid or made in bad-faith, are you, as a user blocked in bad-faith, allowed to evade that block, assuming that you don’t engage in any behavior that would warrant a valid block? To put that in perspective, consider the following hypothetical scenarios:


 * 12:00 6 August 2018 Admin (talk) blocked Example (talk) with an expiry time of indefinite (Vandalism-only account)


 * 12:00 6 August 2018 Admin (talk) blocked Example (talk) with an expiry time of indefinite (Because I feel like it)


 * 12:00 6 August 2018 Admin (talk) blocked Example (talk) with an expiry time of indefinite (no reason given)

Of the above 3 examples, only the first block is valid. It is perfectly acceptable to indefinitely block a vandalism-only account. However, the other two blocks are not valid. It is not acceptable to indefinitely block someone just “because you feel like it” or without a reason altogether. Therefore, if you are the owner of an account that has been blocked in bad-faith or for an invalid reason, like the second or third examples above, do you have the right to evade that block since the original block was invalid?

If the first user above (vandalism-only account) creates a sock that is also a vandalism-only account, that’s not acceptable. However, if the second or third users above create a second account and continue to contribute productively, without violating any policies, is that “valid blocke evasion”? Amanda Catherine (talk) 23:50, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * It is blocked to evade period. It is disruptive. Zppix (Meta | CVT Member | talk to me) 23:54, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * My point is, it’s not disruptive if you’re evading a bad-faith block. An admin who blocks in bad-faith should be desysopped. As long as you don’t engage in personal attacks or anything else blockable, you do not have the right to be invalidly blocked. Amanda Catherine (talk) 23:59, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Then it is a local community issue. Not a global one or otherwise. John (talk) 00:00, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * And if the issue fails to be resolved locally? At the end of the day, if I’ve been blocked by a rouge or bad-faith admin, I do not deserve to be essentially kicked off the project for no reason. Amanda Catherine (talk) 00:02, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Then contact stewards who will look and try and resolve it on your behalf. If the community can't resolve it, stewards can act as an intermediate source to try and resolve an issue otherwise there is not a lot. John (talk) 00:04, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Then be an adult and move on if your blocked for invalid reasons to begin with. Zppix (Meta | CVT Member | talk to me) 00:04, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Why should any user allow themselves to be walked over by a bad-faith admin? Amanda Catherine (talk) 00:18, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Why should a community put up with a user who makes tens of accounts to intentionally evade a block placed on the user regardless of reason? Local communities decide their policies so why should one person of said community have the ability to say what is valid and what administrators can do? John (talk) 00:23, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Because a local community that says that it is acceptable for admins to block users for no reason, or “just because they feel like it” is acting in bad-faith. You need to have a valid reason for kicking someone out from a community. Amanda Catherine (talk) 00:24, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * If a policy says "administrators can decide who is a member of this community" then blocking users "just because they feel like it" is valid and not bad faith. Is it a good policy to have? Of course not, but it is valid. The act of then evading that instead of trying to come to a peaceful resolution will severely lower the chances of that user ever becoming a successful contributor of that community. John (talk) 00:27, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * A policy that says “administrators can decide who is a member of this community” sounds like something that should belong on a private wiki, where admins can manually whitelist users access via the member group (unless changed). Having a public wiki and then blocking people for no reason isn’t good. Amanda Catherine (talk) 00:30, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * It isn't but it doesn't make the community any less legitimate. Resolve disputes, don't cause them is the simple rule here. Causing disruption makes it less of a civil matter and more of a global issue and in that case, the user will lose as they are intentionally disrupting Miraheze. John (talk) 00:32, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

My user page is not display on global
Hello. Other user's user pages are display on global. But my user page is not display on global. Why my user page is not display on global?--プログラマリオ (Pen name:Mario Yonezawa) 13:08, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Did you enable the “use global user page” feature in either Special:GlobalPreferences or Special:Preferences? The global user page is something that is not enabled by default, but individual users can enable it for their own personal accounts.. Amanda Catherine (talk) 13:24, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, I did not know it. Thank you.--プログラマリオ (Pen name:Mario Yonezawa) 13:46, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * And please also note that local user pages will override your global user page (which is the user page on meta).-- 13:42, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Weather and Climate Box show/hide function not working?
I hope this is the appropriate place to ask this question. I have the templates for weather and climate graphs loaded up. Everything works but the hide/show function. They do not load into the header or footers as they should. The examples in the templates also do not load. I have the common.css and common.js squared away as far as I know. I suspect that I'm missing something in there as the show/hide function of the Table of Content box works correctly. Styling of the graphs is fine. The only part that doesn't work is the show/hide. Any thoughts? If this isn't the correct place for this question, I apologize and would appreciate being directed to the correct spot. Jar818 (talk) 19:28, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Try clearing your browser's cache. That usually does the trick. -- Void  Whispers 21:01, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank for the response. Just to be sure, I did again a few times and nothing. I then decided to start fresh with the template and .js and .css code. At that point it started working, so I probably had missed something. However I then tried use the |collapsed line as outlined in the documentation and that broke it. The show/hide feature stopped appearing. So I went in and removed the |collapsed line and upon refreshing the page, the show/hide came back, but to the left of the title, not aligned right. More tinkering I guess.Jar818 (talk) 01:10, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I redid the common files again and now things are constant but not how they should be. Now it correctly places the toggle, but rather than show/hide it says Collapse/Expand. The functions work, but I still have no ability to set it to collapsed when the page loads.Jar818 (talk) 01:57, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Infobox
Hello. I was trying to import infoboxes from wikipedia to my wiki. But it was not succesful, I dont even know if I did it right. Please can someone do the guide for me on a specific example? I was trying to import infoboxes from this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump and I wanted to have the same look just like in this page. I did all what was in this page https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Importing_Wikipedia_infoboxes_tutorial But please can somebody help me and write a guide to how to import these specific infoboxes (Donald Trump) to my wiki. Maybe I did something wrong and later I´ll can understand it. Mostly I dont understand where I can found modules which are required for a specific infobox (template?), just like in Donald Trump page. I dont know but I imported only these with /doc: Template:Infobox Template:Infobox officeholder Template:Infobox officeholder/office Template:Infobox president Thank you Dami (talk) 21:31, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi. What exactly is not working? Can you link me to a page which is not working? Reception123 (talk) ('C' ) 14:31, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello. Thank you for reply. Right now nothing. I deleted it all. I just need a guide to these specific infoboxes. Dami (talk) 21:31, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Have you read User:Void/Infoboxes? Also, please make sure to sign with ~ . Reception123 (talk) ('C' ) 15:24, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I tried everything. But maybe if you write to me a guide to this specific example, I will be grateful. Dami (talk) 18:27, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I tried it again and now I am getting this error: Lua error: Internal error: The interpreter has terminated with signal "24". Dami (talk) 10:14, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I even deleted my wiki because I do not know how to continue. I believe someone will help me to create a new and functional wiki. I also looked at some advice on the Internet: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Extension_talk:Scribunto/Lua_error:_Internal_error:_The_interpreter_has_terminated_with_signal_"24". Dami (talk) 19:55, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I think this could help, but who can set it up? You set $wgScribuntoEngineConf['luastandalone']['cpuLimit'] too low. Either raise it or unset it. Dami (talk) 12:27, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm taking a look at https://virtualcommunity.miraheze.org/wiki/%C5%A0abl%C3%B3na:Infobox and https://thisreality.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Infobox, and both appear to be working. Is this somehow different from before, or is there another issue that I have not found? -- Void  Whispers 15:17, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah, nvm. Found it. -- Void  Whispers 15:23, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes that's it. Can you please fix it on my thisreality wiki? Dami (talk) 20:07, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

LocalSettings.php on http://sv.miraheze.org
Hi! I have question: where can the LocalSettings.php be found on http://sv.miraheze.org (I requested that wiki and is host there)? I would just add some extensions and change some user group rights, and some other things there, where can the LocalSettings.php be found there? Psl631 (Let's Chat!) 17:23, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Please see ManageWiki. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 17:24, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * @User:MacFan4000 Where can my LocalSettings.php be found on http://sv.miraheze.org ? Is it on Phacibrator? I want to edit it, but i don't find it on managewiki, Psl631  (Let's Chat!) 17:54, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Please request the changes on Phabricator MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 19:42, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, you can view LC.php on https://github.com/miraheze/mw-config . For extensions you enable through Special:ManageWikiExtensions, some settings can be done through Special:ManageWiki and everything else through the repo i linked too. Paladox (talk) 19:48, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Can changes be made to the LocalSettings.php on GitHub or is it on Phacibrator? Psl631  (Let's Chat!) 03:37, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * If you want to make a pull request to GitHub, you can do so. Please note that some settings are also on Special:ManageWiki. Reception123 (talk) ('C' ) 05:41, 13 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Te setting I want is not on the managewiki, how can I change user rights for user groups? Psl631  (Let's Chat!) 16:52, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * You either request it on Phabricator or you make a pull request on GitHub and edit it yourself. Whatever works for you. Reception123 (talk) ('C' ) 16:57, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I choosePhacibrator. If i need help or does not understand, please can you give instructions. :) Psl631  (Let's Chat!) 17:50, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

New extensions want I to add, but they are not available on Special:ManageWikiExtensions, these extensions want I to add:
 * mw:Extension:UserPageEditProtection
 * mw:Extension:Challenge
 * mw:Extension:MediaWikiChat
 * mw:Extension:Report
 * mw:Extension:Special404

I want also to change some user group rights, and also add a new user group to place banned users in, and Echo want I to re-style to add a notification as "warning" while userpage gets edited by another user/IP, and will not get triggered if edit is marked as minor, is this ok? -- Psl631 (Let's Chat!) 07:04, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Edit notices
Hey, I was looking at having some edit notices on my wiki, as I find they might turn out quite useful. I was wondering if it's something that I need to go through Phabricator for? or if it's a function that's already available? if it's already available how do I go about adding them? PlatinumYellow (talk) 16:13, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello, I'm not quite sure about what you mean by "edit notice". Could you please be a bit more specific? Maybe provide an example or screenshot from another wiki? Reception123 (talk) ('C' ) 17:27, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * , it's a text box that is shown above the edit box when editing or creating a new page. PlatinumYellow (talk) 17:37, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh you mean that, well, if you read the page you linked, it explains how Editnotices are created :) If you need extra help, please tell me. Reception123 (talk) ('C' ) 17:56, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * So I guess I'm getting confused with where I need to input the information. One of the categories I'm looking to make a notice for is "Category:19 year old juniors" I thought "Category:19 year old juniors/Editnotice" was correct but when I tested it when creating the red link the notice didn't appear. But I guess I'm misinterpreting where I would need to create the notice. Any help would be very much appreciated. PlatinumYellow (talk) 18:09, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Trouble Creating Wiki
Hello, I tried to create a wiki titled "Rotten Websites Wiki" on this platform, but every time I attempted to make a request I always get the same message saying: "The database name may not contain non-alphanumeric characters." what should I do to resolve the issue? Thanks! WENth100 (talk) 20:38, 17 August 2018 (UTC)(WENth100)
 * Hi, can you please supply us with the wiki request information? -- Void  Whispers 23:48, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * My sub domaine was simply set to rottenwebsites.miraheze.org, my wiki is supposed to be named Rotten Websites Wiki, the language set to English, it’s supposed to be public and the reasons given is that I want to set up a new site as backup.  WENth100 (talk)01:57, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry that you've experienced issues requesting a wiki, I have manually created it for you. Reception123 (talk) ('C' ) 06:57, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated, have a good day!WENth100 (talk)13:55, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Importing very large wikis
I'm downloading a dump of my old wiki and it's getting pretty big, maybe 20 Gb before compression. That's way too much to send it via email as the instructions suggest, and I don't know any free service allowing such a large upload limit. Is it possible to upload it via FTP, or what? --Wedhro (talk) 07:08, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Have you tried splitting the download into multiple sections, then upload it to https://archive.org and then request a import from https://phabricator.miraheze.org? &#32; Miraheze Logo.svg CnocBride | Talk | Contribs  13:59, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Wish to inline images from my blog into my wiki
I'd like to inline images from my science 2.0 blog into my astrobiology wiki.

E.g. from

https://www.science20.com/robert_walker/will_first_mars_astronauts_stay_in_orbit_teleoperating_sterile_rovers_to_protect_earth_and_mars_from_colliding

To

https://astrobiology.miraheze.org/wiki/Blogs/Robert_Walker/Will_First_Mars_Astronauts_Stay_In_Orbit_-_Tele-operating_Sterile_Rovers_-_To_Protect_Earth_And_Mars_From_Colliding_Biospheres

As with $wgAllowExternalImagesFrom

Is this something I can do?

Thanks?

Robertinventor (talk) 14:27, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Request for Wiki Creator/Disclosure of active sanctions
Dear Community & Sysadmins,

In the interests of transparency I am disclosing that I'm under active sanctions by the Miraheze Staff team. The sanctions are detailed on a link accessible from my user page.

With this disclosure in mind I'd still like to regain the Wiki Creator flag. If necessary I can accept the condition that no sites I would otherwise create a request for under any account that may be used by me are created by myself.

I have not been accused of abuse (per my definition, definitions between people vary) of this specific flag. I believe I have shown sufficient technical ability to create sites and have also shown the ability to accept constructive advice on my user talk page regarding the use of this specific flag. I believe that this flag will be used well by myself should I be regranted it again.

I understand that this flag is granted by stewards on the advice of sysadmins. I therefore request that a sysadmin hold a sysadmin only private discussion regarding whether I should be granted this flag or not since other sysadmins may have comments to make that may influence the team's determination. Should the sysadmin team decide so please also make the condition above that I have specified a condition of usage of these rights if I am given them.

Regards,

Sau226 (talk) 08:38, 20 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I followed those links. Am not on IRC but I am guessing your "disruption" was being uncivil on IRC.  This does not depend on knowing "Miraheze IRC norms," as civility is the norm most other places too.


 * I have been uncivil from time to time. I suggest you endure whatever the sanction was, continue to do good works, not pat yourself on the back for "disclosing" what was known to the relevant people anyway (I am not relevant), and not escalate the drama to the "community."   14:18 20-Aug-2018

What would cause blank pages?
Does anyone know what would cause blank pages to display after using the browsers "page back or forward" buttons? In the middle of adding info, my wiki started to display blank pages when I would go back to the previous page. If I refresh the page, it loads correctly but not going forward or backwards. I tried to disable all my extensions and that didn't change anything. Cleared my cache, cookies and other site data and that didn't seem to fix it. If I logout, it tries to send me to redirected page that I have setup which shows that something on the PHP side is trying to do it's thing. But it still gives me a blank page and continues till I log out of the Miraheze.org site as well. Then when I refresh it'll say I don't have permission and I have to log back in. I'm stumped. Thanks for any thoughts. Jar818 (talk) 03:49, 21 August 2018 (UTC)