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Translator permission gone?
I tried to translate a page to find out that the permissions seem to be gone. This tells me that I'm still a "translator", but I can't translate any pages. Is this part of all the broken permissions I found on my wiki and are reported on some other Japanese wikis (as seen here)?--ニア・バイオ (talk) 11:49, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, I couldn't either. This is because there was an incident regarding permissions and permission groups and the permission was reseted to default on almost all wikis. Paladox is trying to restore all the settings as it used to be. Please see this phab task for updates.
 * If you are in a hurry, you may ask our local bureaucrats to restore the permissions manually on administrators' noticeboard.-- 12:07, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I've restored the translator group manually. -- Void  Whispers 15:16, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Underage users
How do you deal with underage users? Fungster ''My talk 13:07, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
 * This's under Privacy Policy at section number 8 guideline, any parents or guardians should aware their children underage activities on the Services, could via through from the email at "staff@miraheze.org", and their children information will be immediately remove on sight. SA 13 Bro (talk) 16:57, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
 * If the real question concerns users behaving immaturely, then my answer is that your wiki should include (1) a clear statement of its purpose and how to make valid contributions to that purpose, (2) communication with problem users, beginning by "assuming good faith" but proceeding to warnings if necessary, and (3) having your wiki's Admins use their power to block disruptive users. Setting the duration of the block using public rules avoids the impression that any penalty was personal.


 * There is another layer; Miraheze Stewards block other nuisances such as spambots before they reach your wiki.  17:09 26-May-2019
 * Will you block the underage users? 61.244.97.142 22:58, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
 * There's no policy to block a user just because s/he is underaged. So, in principle, no. However, it could happen that some users that are blocked later turn out to be underaged (by perhaps their own disclosure).-- 10:53, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Good. --Fungster ''My talk 12:17, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Under the Terms of Use, users must be at least 13 years old. John (talk) 15:20, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Uh, it's not written here (at least, my text search showed me 0 results on "13", "year", and "age" (as a single word)).-- 15:34, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Terms_of_Use -> Privacy_Policy John (talk) 15:47, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * All right, but it's not a clear ban. It's just that you will remove PI of them if you discover they are underaged (though it's likely they will be locked in such cases). In addition, there may be cases that parents don't care about giving you PIs of their underaged children. In such cases, no one will report and no one cares whether they are underaged (do they?).-- 16:10, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * "and does not collect personally identifiable information" - Miraheze does not and will not (even with parental consent) collect data about children under the age of 13. If we discover users under the age of 13, Miraheze will Terms of Use ban the users until the point that they are over the age of 13. Parents may or may not consent but as a project, we do not respect or request the consent to handle the data as we have agreed to reject handling of the data. John (talk) 16:34, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * OK, sounds fair enough. Thanks for your explanation.-- 00:16, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * P.S. But if we find such cases, how should we deal with them, and what should they do?
 * Will it be valid to handle an account if they claim to be under 13 on wiki? (even though it's possible they pretend as if so and are in fact 13 or older)
 * Should we lock them (and should we delete the account)?
 * Should the user create a new account after s/he reached 13 (or should they request for unlocking their old account)?
 * -- 00:23, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Refer all cases of ToU or suspected violations to staff@undefinedmiraheze.org, do not handle them unless instructed to do so by a sysadmin (and when you do, mention their name - and by "handle", we mean enforce the ToU in a way that you judge a violation and then make it clear it's for a ToU violation - if they've spammed or something then do your usual duty and then email staff). For the last case, new account as we would have to remove the email address and all types of potential identification. They can request a usurp which can be handled by a steward within reason if you inform a sysadmin either before or after doing so. John (talk) 00:51, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Clear enough. Thanks for your detailed explanation.-- 00:58, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * It is not complete. That means that underage users can still edit on this wiki, with parent supervision, and still not reveal their age. Fungster ''My talk 07:50, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Like every case of this in the world like under 13s using Facebook, Twitter, etc. once they are discovered their accounts are banned. John (talk) 08:03, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Commons Wiki renamed from commonswiki.miraheze.org to commons.miraheze.org
Hi all, i just wanted to announce we have renamed commonswikiwiki to commonswiki (making the domain https://commons.miraheze.org now). This is done to resolve https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T4335 Paladox (talk) 19:54, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but considering that some users may have used external links or the interwiki form mh:commonswiki: to the wiki on their wikis, I think the old subdomain should be kept as a redirect as well. Is it possible?-- 00:14, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, yes. Done here e757928d6785ddfa500adc03d2a5a4aa5a205722 Paladox (talk) 00:35, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Uh, it actually doesn't work -> mh:commonswiki:, mh:commonswiki:Main Page.-- 00:37, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Puppet had not ran at the time you tested (puppet runs every 10 minutes e.g :00, :10, :20 etc). Paladox (talk) 00:42, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for telling. Yeah, now it works fine :)-- 00:47, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Special:ManageWiki* pages are being retired
Hi everyone,

Just an informal notice to all that in a few days (likely the 3rd of June), I intend to merge changes into production (not yet done but will post a link when they are in code) to resolve T4409. The task is about retiring all the different variants of Special:ManageWiki into a single use page to reduce code footprint, increase usability and make future more complicated workflows easier to handle. Summary of essential changes will be: Only a wiki's main settings (those displayed on Special:ManageWiki) will be manageable on metawiki. Management of extensions and settings will follow permissions and namespaces and only be manageable on the wiki themselves. This is to increase local logging, clean up metawiki's logs, reduce change footprint and reduce code complexity.
 * Special:ManageWiki will remain as it is.
 * Special:ManageWikiExtensions will redirect to Special:ManageWiki/extensions
 * Special:ManageWikiSettings will redirect to Special:ManageWiki/settings
 * Special:ManageWikiPermissions{/$group} will redirect to Special:ManageWiki/permissions{/$group}
 * Special:ManageWikiNamespaces{/$namespace} will redirect to Special:ManageWiki/namespaces{/$namespace}

The community is reminded about the existence of Wiki managers, a permission which no longer will work on metawiki and will be removed when the code is deployed. The community should make arrangements it deems fit before the date of June 3rd - I will happily delay deployment to allow proceedings to be closed formally by either someone else or myself, but will not delay deployment to keep the current system in place.

Thanks, John (talk) 02:57, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * This change is now live. John (talk) 23:29, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

How do you make users admins on your wiki?
I want to add some admins on my wiki but I don't know how to.
 * Here are some ways.
 * Go to the target user's userpage, and you can find the "Change user groups" button in the "Tools" section on the sidebar. Click it, and check/uncheck the permissions you want to give/take.
 * Simply type  (SUBDOMAIN should be replaced with the subdomain of your wiki and USERNAME with the target user's username), and check/uncheck the permissions you want to give/take.
 * -- 02:00, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Which of your Wikis that are you indicated? If you are the local bureaucrat, you have the ability to add it by your own self as mentioned at above. SA</b> 1</b>3</b> B</b>r</b>o</b> (talk) 10:39, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Number of articles
I recently imported content from another wiki. Now, my wiki says is 2,964 (an accurate number, I assume), but  is 1. What is wrong here? Do the pages not qualify as articles? Is there a problem with the code? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc (talk) 22:18, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * And one more question: is it possible to add (or at least request) new interwiki links for a specific wiki? I can't find any information about it. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc (talk) 22:41, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Gfdgsgxgzgdrc About your second question. I can help you with the interwikis which ones do you want to add? Hispano76 (talk) 23:15, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Here are all the interwiki links from the old wiki that the content was imported from (alphabetically):


 * If you could add those to the new one, that would be great. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc (talk) 23:25, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * When are you planning to do this? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc (talk) 19:15, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Gfdgsgxgzgdrc Already added except:
 * zetaboards, redirect me to another website have you changed your web domain or have you no relation/interest with your wiki?
 * homestore-runner, It is not possible for me to access this website and therefore I will not add it for not being able to verify it.
 * Greetings Hispano76 (talk) 21:08, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, i've changed wgArticleCountMethod to 'any' from the previous default of 'link' for your wiki. This has bumped the count to 1,317 now! See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Article_count . Paladox (talk) 21:29, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hispano76&mdash; For Zetaboards, yes, the URL has changed recently. But keep the interwiki URL the same as what I have listed, or else it'll mess up the existing links on the wiki. As for Homestore-Runner, I can access it just fine through that link. But it's not essential, so you don't necessarily have to do that one.
 * Paladox&mdash; Thanks a lot! Gfdgsgxgzgdrc (talk) 01:27, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm so sorry for bothering you so much, but I made a mistake earlier. Could you make it so that the "archive" interwiki link goes to http://fanstuff2.referata.com/wiki/$1 instead of http://fanstuff2.referata.com/$1? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc (talk) 01:26, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello? (Again, sorry for taking so much of your time.) Gfdgsgxgzgdrc (talk) 23:41, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, I’ve fixed the link now. Paladox (talk) 03:39, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! Gfdgsgxgzgdrc (talk) 03:54, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Is Miraheze politically correct?
As I have read in the terms of use, you must comply with the laws of California and the Netherlands, in addition to not promoting hate speech. However, there are some doubts I have about it. When I was in Wikia, they forced me to be politically correct (for example: you can't criticize the LGBT community, even if it is a constructive and polite criticism; you can't written the n-word or you will be banned, even if it's for explanatory reasons). The rules of Miraheze indicate that this wiki network is neutral, so I would like to know what is forbidden to do with specific topics: Obviously, if someone is going to touch on some topics, he/she will be done for informative reasons, and he/she gets to show negative aspects of these topics (something like the critical vision of a certain community), he/she will be for informational reasons and not to promote hatred. Example: I know that this subject could bother some, but I need to get rid of doubts before I make a mistake. It's better to prevent. Thanks. --PaladinDeGigantas (talk) 02:57, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) Talk about feminism: Write an article explaining how this issue is related to the topic of a certain wiki. Mention in what way it affects positively or negatively. This article will be written formally and politely.
 * 2) Same as above, but with other sensitive topics such as:
 * 3) LGBT community and movement.
 * 4) Left-wing and right-wing ideologies and their derivatives.
 * 5) Some taboos like: pedophilia, zoophilia and other rare fetishism (these articles will be written modestly and sensitive/offensive images will not be used).
 * 6) Some religions like: Christianity, Islam, Judaism (the most sensitive), Buddhism.
 * 7) Some taboo practices such as: cannibalism, abortion.
 * 8) Is there a topic that we should not touch?
 * 9) Moderation of comments: As the size of a wiki increases, the comments received may be so many that some may escape the reach of moderators or administrators. It is possible that comments appear with malicious intentions.
 * 10) For example, I received a comment from someone who used the "soft" version of the n-word, is not there any problem with that?: https://giantess.miraheze.org/wiki/Ochiko_Terada#comment-17
 * 11) What happens if the n-word is written? Is there automatic banning or not? Is it forbidden to do it or not?
 * 12) Are there words that are forbidden to write?
 * Informational text (omniscient narrator): "The Minecraft community hates the Fortnite community, due to the following reasons: ..."
 * Hate Speech (protagonist narrator): "We, the Minecraft community, must abhor and attack the Fortnite community for the following reasons: ..."
 * FYI: Code of Conduct and Content Policy. &mdash; <tt>revi</tt>  09:03, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Also look at the similar past discussion at Talk:Terms of Use. &mdash; <tt>revi</tt>  09:06, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * While its not policy (or worded like such), I would recommend keeping wiki content unoffensive, polite, and respectful for all parties. Zppix (Meta | CVT Member | talk to me) 14:25, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Under Terms_of_Use, Miraheze staff and stewards have the authority to ban a disruptive user due to harassment other users on any Wikis. Email contact "staff@undefinedmiraheze.org" in privately, if the case are sensitive. S</b>A</b> 1</b>3</b> B</b>r</b>o</b> (talk) 23:08, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * This is not clear. I have a proposal to have a RFC about changes to the Terms of Use. Fungster ''My talk 06:14, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Just a note that a RfC would only be advisory to Miraheze staff on a matter such as ToU and a RfC can not bring change without the authority of a staff member approving them through internal mechanisms. John (talk) 18:10, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Wikia has a policy to ban underage users immediately after the underage users are discovered to be underage. That's also one of the reasons some wikis from Wikia moved to Miraheze since it has no ads and friendly staff who will not deal with underage users. -- Fungster ''My talk 00:25, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * We don’t elect to ban underage users, we’re legally obligated to under the same laws as Wikia. John (talk) 01:01, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I am not a active user on Fandom. But I am pretty sure that Wikia TOU also have the event ban policy for those users who are under 13 years old, until their age have reach at 13. S</b>A</b> 1</b><b style="color:green">3</b><b style="color:blue"> B</b><b style="color:indigo">r</b><b style="color:violet">o</b> (talk) 19:48, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

How to edit my local interwiki table?
I want to add several other wikis to Special:interwiki in my wiki on miraheze,but Here I can't directly edit database as my own Mediawiki site,What should I do?Logojackmowo (talk) 02:23, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Just post here what links you want and an interwiki admin or steward will add them after verifying that they are not malicious. Bonnedav (talk) 03:02, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

A little doubt...

 * Dude, it's possible to rename users in Miraheze wikis?
 * It's possible to check the user's logs/registers (CheckUser)?

-Haizaki (talk) 05:28, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * You need to ask a steward or staff member RhinosF1 (talk) 13:58, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

How do you become an administrator? Please give me the admin right on the Requests for permissions page. Mohamed Saed 16:22, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I already asked a steward to request to block you if you keep requesting rights Fungster ''My talk 03:46, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hey, that's not nice. Mar9122 (talk) 04:30, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for telling Fungster, Mar9122! Mohamed Saed 14:59, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I just can't stand trolls and bigotry. Mar9122 (talk) 17:26, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I'd like to clarify that hat collecting is frowned upon, and repeatedly asking for a right without doing anything to deserve it will simply make it more unlikely to receive it. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 17:32, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Anyway, thank you for your help.Haizaki (talk) 00:01, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * May you please make a policy about user rights that is about that user who always requests rights will not receive said rights per https://hypotheticalhurricanes.fandom.com/wiki/HHW:POLICY <b style="color:blue">Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 09:27, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Need help making a template...
Do you how to make a Collapse Template? It's would nice if you either help me or even tell me how to. I tried to make one, but it failed. Mar9122 (talk) 03:44, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * You need to insert all the code on Wikipedia's MediaWiki:Common.css, make the template Navbox on your wiki, insert Module:Navbox, Module:Navbar and Module:Arguments and also Module:Color contrast and Module:Color contrast/colors if script errors arise. Fungster ''My talk 09:55, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * And? Mar9122 (talk) 12:51, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Copyright and fair use
After reading some articles on Wikipedia I'm still confused about what "copyright" and "fair use" really mean in a wiki hosted by Miraheze, especially regarding media content. Let's say I want to take some screenshots from a popular tv series to embellish an article about that series, is it ok or not? What about gifs or small videos?--Wedhro (talk) 20:02, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * It is okay if the image, video, recording or the text is in the public domain. <b style="color:blue">Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 09:24, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * But I'm talking about Fair use, which is specifically about copyrighted content.--Wedhro (talk) 09:26, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Miraheze
Miraheze is a big wiki hosting service. Do you have a company as this wiki “Miraheze, Inc.”? If you have it, than who is the Founder? Executive Director? Chair of the Board? May you also add emails like emergency@undefinedmiraheze.org? <b style="color:blue">Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 07:50, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * We are currently not incorporated yet. Though we plan to file for non profit status in the future. Because we are not incorporated, we currently do not have a board yet. We currently do not offer a emergency@undefined address as we cannot commit to such a thing. Though we have a staff@undefined address, Also if you deem necessary, please notify relevant authorities in an emergency. Paladox (talk) 16:41, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

While I understand the benefits of incorporation, I would say that given the current drama with the WMF vs. Wikipedia right now, that maybe perhaps we would reconsider being incorporated, especially since we do promote the "community driven" aspect.. Just my opinion. Amanda Catherine (talk) 22:19, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Legal protection of ourselves is the upmost priority and is the main driver of incorporation. John (talk) 22:43, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by "legal protection"? Being incorporated isn't going to make you more immune to lawsuits or make people less likely to file them. What I'm concerned about is establishing a gap between the community, of which currently the stewards and more or less the sysadmins are considered to be members, and the "powers that be" namely paid employees with some authority over the community. While Miraheze is a large service and is ever growing, I'd be afraid that the service wouldn't survive if we ever had something like the current WMF vs. Wikipedia drama unfold here. Besides, I wouldn't want to see Miraheze adopt some of the policies that the WMF has, many of which are contributors to the current drama, such as the Foundation's supposed right to impose global bans that are not appealable to anybody except Jimbo, without discussion and without stating the reason for said bans.
 * TL;DR I don't want to see Miraheze become something like the WMF where there is a disconnect between the Foundation or the Board and the community. The way it is now where the "staff members" are also community members is the way it should be. Amanda Catherine (talk) 23:24, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * You are correct incorporated isn't going to make Miraheze immune to law suits, but it means I can't be taken to court in the UK personally for my actions in the capacity I take as a system administrator - as I am then no longer personally legally responsible for my actions on behalf of Miraheze - but while currently I am 100% possible. Further, it protects Miraheze against local law enforcement. An example would be if the UK police give a warrant for me to release information Miraheze stores - I have to hand it over. If not, I can be arrested. While if Miraheze is an organisation, the warrant has to be made out to Miraheze and can't be made out to myself. Miraheze is not in a position to hire staff - therefore we will always be "community members". Though of course, nothing stops us requesting help from non-community members as has happened in the past. Some people like Paladox came direct, they weren't selected from the community we had already. John (talk) 01:37, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * So where is the "company" "Miraheze, Inc." founded? In the Netherlands or in California? If you did have a Board, who will it contain? Where is the headquarters? <b style="color:blue">Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 23:52, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * It is founded no where. When it is, it will be in the US. The board will likely contain existing staff members within reason and otherwise. The registered offices will be up to Labster but likely his premises or a property he owns/runs/control unrelated to Miraheze. John (talk) 01:37, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * If the headquarter building does exist, you might want to create a page called Miraheze Office. <b style="color:blue">Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 03:41, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Miraheze wiki hosting server have 2 co-founders, which is John and Southparkfan, I think this may let them for decision whether to build the Miraheze Office in the future. What was Amanda Catherine have mentioned at above are completely right, Wikipedia are currently having drama, I also don't want to see Miraheze wiki one day become like WMF. <b style="color:red">S</b><b style="color:orange">A</b><b style="color:gold"> 1</b><b style="color:green">3</b><b style="color:blue"> B</b><b style="color:indigo">r</b><b style="color:violet">o</b> (talk) 10:31, 14 June 2019 (UTC)