User talk:Amanda Catherine/Archive 2

Wasn't spam
Whenever I see a red link on my name, I add my information to it. Best, MarkDilley
 * Amanada was correct to tag it as such. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  05:44, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Why, can you point me to documentation on this policy? Best,  MarkDilley
 * There is no formal criteria / policy just a generally accepted understanding when it comes to most things on meta. We do not accept pages designed to advertise individual people. That can be classed as spam dependant on the content. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  06:10, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Response to your edit summary

 * 1) Will do
 * 2) I didn’t intend to be harsh
 * 3) Not my intended meaning and I hope he uses the wiki he now has.

Thanks, ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  21:20, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Regarding Requests for Comment/Meta Interface Admin Group
Please note that it would be preferable to include a section where users can vote on whether they believe the whole group to be useful or not, or else users have no way to demonstrate their possible objections to the very creation of this group. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 07:32, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually, the group in question already exists (see Special:ListGroupRights) so we're not creating anything new here - just seeking approval for the usage of something preexisting. Amanda Catherine (talk) 12:45, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, my bad then, since we didn't have anyone in the group I didn't know it existed. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 12:48, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

VolcanonsandboxWiki
The purpose is not to test mediawiki functionality, but to save the article draft.(I'm not a participant, but the concept is similar to jawptest.miraheze.org It is.) --Volcanon (talk) 14:03, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * OK. Amanda Catherine (talk) 16:33, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

YGM
You've got mail. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c - 21:34, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Replied. Amanda Catherine (talk) 12:55, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Seen and replied earlier. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  13:34, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Question
I am the owner the Canimals wiki and miraheze, but how do I add my own inboxes?--Μπέλα2006 (talk) 15:56, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Please see the information here which will help you. Amanda Catherine (talk) 16:29, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
 * But every time I try to import a XML, It will give me a error message saying I am not allowed to to perform the action, so could you join my wiki to help me with templates and XML Files?--Μπέλα2006 (talk) 16:52, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Edit: This is the Link: https://canimalswiki.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page . --Μπέλα2006 (talk) 16:53, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I think I found the problem. You need to assign the  user right to the sysop group in order for it to work properly. Go here, scroll down to the checkbox that says "datatransferimport" (it should say "import data") underneath it, check the checkbox, and then click the "submit" tab at the top of the page. If that doesn't work, I can do it for you if you temporarily make me a sysop/administrator on the wiki. Amanda Catherine (talk) 18:09, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
 * It is already a thing admin can do, Well I can make you admin on my wiki.--Μπέλα2006 (talk) 18:33, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Talkback
I seem to have problems operating two wiki (Canimals wiki and Unpleasant apps wiki), I am fine with Canimals wiki but not Unpleasant apps wiki, so could you help me with Unpleasant apps wiki? Μπέλα2006 (talk) 15:42, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
For helping me out on the Canimals Wiki.

Μπέλα2006 (talk) 15:55, 29 June 2020 (UTC) 

Just a head's up
Hi Amanda,

Do you prefer Amanda or Amanda Catherine?

Anyway, you weren't involved in these wiki creation requests in any way, but just thought I'd give you a head's up about a user, Remy, who submitted probably a dozen (or close to it) identical wiki creation requests yesterday. I declined all of them, except for one, and approved one of them. Unfortunately, they hadn't realized, I guess, that one of their wikis was created, so they submitted another request this morning, and MrJaroslavik created it, not realizing one had already been created. I left them a message on their user talk page, per my discussion on Discord with Void, to please select which of the wikis they want to keep, and then Void (or another steward) can delete the duplicate.

I don't expect they'll submit any more wiki creation requests, but they haven't edited either of their wikis or responded to any messages, so just wanted to give you a head's up in case you see any more similar wiki creation requests come through the queue.

Cheers,

Dmehus (talk) 13:38, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, either name is fine, I'm not really picky. Thanks for the note, I'll keep an eye out and may warn the user about wiki request flooding if I see any more of that. Amanda Catherine (talk) 16:02, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds good re: a future wiki creation warning, if necessary. Regarding the wiki, if I don't hear back from Remy in 7 calendar days, I'll just private message Void on Discord and have him delete whichever one they're not using. Dmehus (talk) 19:23, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Thanks for helping me out with the canimals wiki.

㊗️⚽️Μπέλα2006⚽️㊗️ (talk) 20:13, 11 July 2020 (UTC) 

Tw
Hello, maybe Twinkle page can be linked in MediaWiki:Gadget-Twinkle. What do you think? :) --MrJaroslavik (talk) 17:20, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, we should definitely add a wikilink to Twinkle at MediaWiki:Gadget-Twinkle. Dmehus (talk) 17:24, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It's question for Amanda as main twinkle maintainer, but yes.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 17:26, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, I know Amanda's been doing a lot of work with updating it, importing templates, and so forth, but thought the question was a good one for community participation. Hope that clarifies. Dmehus (talk) 17:37, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

And another, do you want transfer Extensions page for translation (so add translation tags) or leave it in english only? :) --MrJaroslavik (talk) 14:49, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late response... I was unexpectedly away this past weekend. Anyway, the first request regarding the wikilink on the gadget page is ✅. In terms of the Extensions page, translation is not my strength, so I'd prefer to leave that to someone else. I really don't care either way whether the page is translated or not, but it's not something that I feel comfortable doing. Amanda Catherine (talk) 00:00, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your work! New template "invalid-wiki-request" is great!--MrJaroslavik (talk) 16:45, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Also like the duplicate wiki request. The wording on the message is good and not BITEy, which is always a pet peeve I have with the Twinkle templates on English Wikipedia. Good work. Dmehus (talk) 17:29, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Yes, it's great that has filled in some more of the Twinkle templates. If I might just a small note of caution about using them, we're not like the Wikimedia projects, so not every user needs to be Twinkle-warned on their user talk page for small errors, especially with few edits. So, like any tool, please be very judicious if you do use them. Other than the wiki creator-related Twinkle templates, which are worded in a friendly tone, I don't use the Twinkle warning templates as I tend to find them a bit too BITEy and formulaic for my personal tastes. The wiki creator-related templates that Amanda made, though, are worded in a much more friendly way and can be very useful for streamlining workflow (especially when there is a significant backlog in requests).  Dmehus (talk) 15:07, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with that. They are less BITEy than Wikipedias. --TFFfan (talk) 15:26, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Good humour at this wiki request decline
Hi Amanda,

I chuckled at your response. Well articulated and good use of humour in your decline. :)

Cheers,

Dmehus (talk) 17:11, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Your recent edit
Hello,

The RfC was specifically broken down like that for a reason. Please do not change the structure of an open RfC without discussion. Thanks, ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  14:02, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Twinkle updates question
Hi Amanda,

In case you didn't see my comment on IRC, by way of the  on Discord, thank you again for your recent updates to, and proper configuration of, Twinkle. I noticed, though, a couple things, which I'll identify in sequence in order in which I first noticed them:


 * 1) The Restore this version option  that used to be available on the diff pages is no longer available. This is one of Twinkle's greatest, and most convenient, features. I'm sure it probably wasn't removed by design, but rather, perhaps, as an unintended effect of the flurry of recent updates to the Twinkle code. I began looking through the MediaWiki:Gadget-Twinkle.js source code, but seeing as there were so many updates, haven't had a chance to look through them all. So, I thought I'd reach out to you via your user talk page to see if you knew whether or not it was possible something could've been changed to the code that removed this functionality; and,
 * 2) At Twinkle/Preferences, I noticed that that user preferences' GUI is no longer available when the user has Twinkle installed. This may have been done by design, perhaps, as I know you still have a number of updates and changes on which you wish to work tomorrow.

Anyway, thanks again for your attention to these points, and I look forward to hearing back from you soon. :)

Cheers,

Dmehus (talk) 23:37, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, neither of those things are by design/intentional. While I don't have time to investigate it tonight, my guess is that both of those problems are being caused by some error in this (massive) change. It seems that the gadget is so fragile that even the simplest typos or syntax errors in one part of one module will break the entire gadget. I'll go digging tomorrow if no one else beats me to it. Thankfully, the Twinkle page does include a warning that the gadget "may break at any point" so my bases are at least some what covered. – AmandaCath  ( talk ) 23:53, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. Yeah, that was the massive change I thought it might be in, but, like you say, it's probably not going to show up easily. I'll try and look through the code in more detail as well. Completely agree with you when you say, though, " [ it ] seems that the gadget is so fragile that even the simplest typos or syntax errors in one part of one module will break the entire gadget." Thanks again. Dmehus (talk) 00:03, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi again, Amanda...I just thought I'd follow up regarding the above two problems. Firstly, I didn't get a chance to look through the Twinkle code more thoroughly. However, I noticed that the "restore this version" feature has now been restored. Likewise, the Twinkle preferences GUI is also restored. I haven't yet looked to see if you corrected the code, or if it self-corrected. If the latter, I'm not exactly sure what the problem was, but in any event, it's back to normal, and all seems to be well. Thanks again for your follow up. Dmehus (talk) 19:59, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Please properly resign from ur rights
Hi, ! I saw you saying you're going to retire. You have some rights gained from the confidence of the community. If you are really retired, resign from them in an appropriate way. The permissions to access the interface page are very strong. It should not be left. --そらたこ (talk) 22:39, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

I echo Soratako's sentiments, completely, Amanda. You are a valuable contributor to the Miraheze community, both as a wiki creator, in the wiki(s) that you manage, in your assisting in managing the Phabricator tasks, and in the myriad GitHub pull requests and code contributions you've made thus far. I hope you will reconsider your resignation from Miraheze and as wiki creator. I can understand and sympathize with your frustrations, particularly when there is a lack of information; however, I wouldn't be saying this if I didn't believe this was the case...I can say, with 100% confidence, that I am confident Miraheze Staff (i.e., system administrators) acted in the best interests of everyone in the renaming of the users concerned. International laws and non-disclosure agreements legally prevent much, if anything, from being said, but I will just say what I said on the stewards' noticeboard and on my user talk page in response to two concerned users' questions, not all Terms of Use violations imply there was anything wrong with a user's contributions, and we should, absolutely, avoid assuming that there was. So, please, do reconsider your retirement and resignation over the next several days, and, if after that time, you've reached the same conclusion that this is the action you need to take, then I wish you all the best. Dmehus (talk) 00:35, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Response to the accusations on your userpage
While I am aware that you said you would not check your talkpage, I would just like to respond to what you have accused us of.

1. The checking of vandalism-only accounts and spambots is done because many times these users create new accounts from open proxies which is against No open proxies policy. I'm not quite sure what you see inappropriate about performing a CheckUser on a user who has violated our policies and got locked in the first place for misuse of the site, especially if it's likely they may do it again. And personally, I trust that Stewards only peform Checkusers when they suspect a user is the same as another.

2. First I would like to start with the fact that the user was notified by the sysadmin team of the reason of the ban, and I have already told you on IRC before that while the information is not made public for privacy reasons, the user who is banned of course has the right to know why they were banned. I would find it a bit disrespectful that you are taking the word of a banned user over the word of sysadmins. I would also like to remind that ToU bans are not something that are done every day and 99% of the times they are not done and any global locking is done by Stewards or Global Sysops.

3. Don't know what much I can say.

4. Perhaps some of these may be a bit harsh.

5. I believe it is preferable to make sure it is acceptable to reveal certain details to the public before doing so, rather than first making it public and then realizing it shouldn't have been. Security issues are no joke and should be taken seriously.

6. Could you please show some proof of where your views would be "completely discredited"? #miraheze is publicly logged so I wouldn't see an issue in posting said logs here. For me, "that's not how things work" isn't discrediting an opinion, it is just saying how things currently work. You are also free to express any opinions on-wiki rather than on IRC if you feel like the people aren't understanding your opinions. We try our best to explain things, but we are often also busy with other technical tasks as we are volunteers after all.

7. First of all, only two accounts were locked pursuant to the Terms of Use. Secondly, we can't officially say anything for legal reasons.

In conclusion, I would like to repeat that we never take invoking the Terms of Use for granted and that it is avoided for the vast majority of cases, but sometimes it is inevitable that action is taken either for the protection of Miraheze's interests or for legal reasons. We do not "do whatever we want" at all. I would also like to remind you that Miraheze is a volunteer based service, and we are all here because we want to help and I feel like you are being a bit harsh on us and have way too high standards. We are trying our best to provide a good service for all our users. I feel like many of your complaints (such as the harsh comments) could be talked about rather than be a reason for your departure. Finally, I would also like to challenge you to find a site that is more transparent than us (since we are also fully open-source). Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 03:49, 4 August 2020 (UTC)