Requests for Comment/Creating a blocking policy for all wikis

I plan on creating a blocking policy for all wikis to follow. The reason for this will be explained in further detail after the terms of the policy are addressed, as they relate to one another. Here are the terms: The reason I am proposing this is because I have seen multiple blocks applied on multiple different wikis that do not abide by the above rules, including myself. It seems as though blocks are often being misused. Block summaries are also a major problem as most block summaries I have seen do not explain why the user was blocked. This policy should help to prevent any future misuse of blocks. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 20:40, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) Blocks should be used only to prevent disruption. They should not be used as:
 * 2) *A method of punishment or ostracism
 * 3) *A form of revenge
 * 4) *A way of targeting a user
 * 5) *A form of harassment
 * 6) *Any other reason other than the prevention of disruption
 * 7) Blocks should not be given to users who are already globally locked, or who have retired or are otherwise inactive.
 * 8) Blocks should only be given in a violation of a specific written rule on the wiki.
 * 9) Blocks should only be applied on the wiki or wikis where the incident occurred.
 * 10) Blocks should not be applied on multiple wikis unless the user is clearly a disruption-only account or a sockpuppet.
 * 11) If the user is not a disruption only account, they should not be indefinitely blocked for a first time offense. The first time a user violates a rule, they should be given a warning. If they violate the rule a second time, they may be temporarily blocked, with the length depending on the severity of their actions. Always assume good faith.
 * 12) *Talk pages should also be left open in case the user wishes to appeal their block.
 * 13) Blocks should not be applied as a result of issues that have long passed and have since been resolved.
 * 14) Block summaries should explain why the user was blocked. They should not have any additional comments added to them unless it explains the block. In addition, block summaries should not be blank.
 * 15) Stewards and Global Sysops have the right to change or remove any block that violates these rules.

Support

 * 1) As proposer. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 20:40, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) I really don't like this idea, even if it is a good-faith request. Some wikis handle such things differently from others, and may ave to have different kinds of blocking policies based on the content they contain. While blocking for no reason is an issue that needs to be resolved, some of these other reasons could possibly not apply to wikis that have different standards when it comes to contributing. Having a  global policy could get quite messy overall as well, and if one was put in place, wikis that have different standards may have to painfully adjust to match the global policy. I am more so concerned about communities who don't even use the Meta as well. TigerBlazer (talk) 22:06, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Abstain

 * 1) What's the point of this anyway? Our goal is to educate, not punish. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 20:53, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't see what you mean by that. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 20:56, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I've been blocked strangely before, and this not only happens to me, but to a lot of users who are blocked without any contribution and this happens mostly on private wikis. I just didn't understand the "can't apply to users who are already globally blocked". A wiki administrator can block as much as he likes (and preferably on blocked global accounts, though it doesn't have to). This one and that one (that you say that a user should not be blocked if he has vandalized only once is not necessary for me. The site administrator who has control can block the user as much as he wants, mainly heavy vandalism.) For me, this will interfere with much and can even complicate things at times YellowFrogger (✉ Talk  ✐ Edits ) 20:59, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I added that because it is unnecessary to block a user who is already globally locked. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 21:01, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * And I am not saying there is a limit to the number of times an administrator can block a user. In general this is outlining that blocks should be fair and should be for a clear and logical reason. The amount of blocks and length of blocks depends on the severity of the action. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 21:05, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * But isn't this likely rule a bit "unnecessary"? Locking a locked user globally doesn't disturb or annoy people at all (especially when the locked user has disturbed a wiki, or has been locked indefinitely). If he was globally locked it is likely that he did cross wiki vandalism and is even justified in getting him on the block list. The administrator has complete freedom. For me this proposal is even a little strange YellowFrogger (✉ Talk  ✐ Edits ) 21:06, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * While I like your spirit of creating this RfC, I have a feeling you made this with the intention of getting yourself unblocked on the Qualitipedia wikis (which I wouldn't have a problem with). I mean, you did annoy others before, but that aside, this can be resolved locally, but I doubt the other admins would give you anymore chances, given your recent behavior from Qualitipedia Central from back in September. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 21:08, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * To answer YellowFroggy's concern, I simply meant that blocking users after they are already globally locked is redundant. And to answer DarkMatterMan4500's concern, this is not only my problem, this is a problem that happens on multiple wikis. You yourself are blocked on a few wikis where you did not appear to have done anything wrong. And September is September, that whole thing is done. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 21:11, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I added an extra pointer to clarify that. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 21:13, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I was even agreeing with this RfC when I saw these parts (because I don't like being blocked on wikis that don't have any contributions). Blocking blocked is redundant, but a rule for punishing people who do this isn't it? And this made for you to be unlocked from such a wiki? YellowFrogger</b> (✉ Talk </b> ✐ Edits </b>)</b> 21:17, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * That rule is less strict than the others. I can take that one out. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 21:18, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Only problem is that Stewards and Global sysops can't keep an eye on nearly 5,000 wikis as of the time I'm writing this note here. I will just say that you should really refrain from annoying other users into unblocking you. When you annoy other users, it won't make them re-consider the blocks they've made against you. Just a thought. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 21:19, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I wasn't annoying other users, I was simply appealing my blocks. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 21:21, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Comments
Principally I do like the spirit of this more than I expected to. Much of this should be expected to take place already and reported if it is not. The largest things I would say are a) is part of the brand of Miraheze for wikis to take care of their own homes and frankly, I'm uncomfortable with 'feature creep' of policies even with good intentions and b) Point 6 hits too broadly for me to provide a support as the nature of the rule weighs heavily on what is appropriate to do when it is broken. This is also not cognizant of communities with unusual styles of management or are more private circles by design. In other words an assortment of good intentions, but feature incomplete even if it describes many conventions I would personally use and highly suggest wikis to locally employ. But the wikis that do not already should either a) change from within, rather than being told to as a strict policy and b) probably be avoided since the ones you cannot apply a to tend to be unsuccessful. I would also say a major catalyst of this proposal is personal events primarily including Qualitipedia, which is uniquely prone to violations of these conventions that few wikis otherwise do, and if they do they tend to have other systemic issues that require addressing anyways from a global perspective. --Raidarr (talk) 20:50, 13 December 2021 (UTC).
 * I would change this specifically on Qualitipedia Meta, but I am blocked and unless this proposal passes, it is unlikely that I ever will be unblocked. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 20:58, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * In other words, this proposal is a proxy to resolve a local problem. Well, that problem's gone on for long enough already, so I'm going to take another approach there. This proposal can do what it wills. --Raidarr (talk) 21:16, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I would appreciate it if you made this exact same RfC on the local wikis. Unfortunately I can't since I am blocked. I would withdraw this but apparently RfC's can't be withdrawn. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 21:23, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It would not be the same RfC, but it would be a similar approach. --Raidarr (talk) 21:43, 13 December 2021 (UTC)