Meta:Requests for permissions

ChioGaming2007 (Administrator)

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 * Request made in error; rights are not being requested on Meta. Please request on Stewards' noticeboard. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 13:22, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Group: Administrator Reason: I was in miraheze for about 2 years, I initially went to miraheze because I was interested in moving my wiki in the fandom to miraheze but because of problems the activity was canceled but after I was taken down from the Fandom I tried to move here, my friend has a Wiki here that is no longer used (link : https://tolololpedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Halaman_Utama ) i've opened the wiki but now i want to get more permissions so i can manage the wiki completely

Discussion
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * 1)  Too early, as you only have 8 edits as of the time I'm writing this, not to mention the concern of hat-collecting, and it's too soon for you to be requesting Meta rights at this time. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 12:12, 19 February 2022 (UTC)


 * This is because I haven't used this account for 2 years and besides I have got permission from my friend to manage the wiki ChioGaming2007 (talk) 12:29, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
 * @ChioGaming2007:Hello, you want to have sysop/admin on your wiki? HeartsDo (Talk / Global / Wiki Creator) 12:33, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Of course ChioGaming2007 (talk) 12:35, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Could you please confirm that you actually want admin rights on your wiki and not Meta? Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 12:51, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Admin rights on my wiki are not meta ChioGaming2007 (talk) 12:54, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Because the friends who own the wiki don't need the wiki anymore, so I'm welcome to be an admin/owner there but unfortunately they forgot their account on miraheze ChioGaming2007 (talk) 12:57, 19 February 2022 (UTC)


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Arcversin (Administrator)

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 * Withdrawn with thanks to all participants for their comments and advise. — Arcversin (talk) 14:20, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Group: Administrator Reason: In light of recent vandal attacks, I would like to volunteer myself to take part in the development and maintenance of abuse filters used to counter vandal/LTA attacks. I have experience both with the abuse filter syntax (primarily from fighting spambots) and the regular expressions used by filters to detect potentially unconstructive edits (and other actions) with varying degrees of certainty. I will of course also be available for routine maintenance tasks/antivandalism, but my primary realm of activity as an administrator will be the abuse filter. — Arcversin (talk) 02:46, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Discussion
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.


 * 1)  We have a lot of vandalism here now. Quantity is becoming more important now  Anpang 📨  02:53, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * , regrettably. While I do thank you for stepping up to the administrator batting plate, I think it is too soon for you to be requesting the  bit. Indeed, regex knowledge is helpful but you seem to base yourself off that entirely in this RfP and not so much so on other aspects of adminship. You are more than welcome to assist administrators on Discord, IRC, or in private on those two venues on making effective abuse filters and that should be no impediment to you helping the Meta community. Additionally, I feel like this request was made too soon after your previous, unsuccessful RfP. Furthermore, you seem to barely have 260 edits, I would like to see more activity too before supporting. For these reasons, I must oppose. Let this not be a stumbling stone to you however, you are more than welcome to continue contributing to Miraheze Meta and to keep assisting users as you do on Discord and on-wiki as a wiki creator. I think there is great potential in everyone and I would like to encourage you to keep volunteering as you do currently.  Agent Isai  Talk to me! 03:01, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I certainly did not mean for the focus on the abuse filter in my request statement to interpreted as an indication that I would neglect or ignore other areas of adminship, which I most definitely would not. Rather, I focused on that aspect because countering the recent flare-up in vandal attacks is my primary impetus/rationale for making this request. I will also note that developing effective filters is not particularly feasible without access to the tools, as you cannot use the testing/development/debugging interface provided by the extension, nor can you access the content, logs, or history of private filters, which severely hampers your ability to evaluate their effectiveness, for example by using log-only mode to safely test the usefulness of new filters. I will also note that solely looking at edit count can be a bit misleading, given that they don't include logged activity such as wiki creations. — Arcversin (talk) 03:35, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Some of our abuse filters are actually tested first on the Public Test Wiki, that could serve as a test ground for any proposed abuse filter. Additionally, there is precedent where local administrators have shared some abuse filters with highly trusted users for the purposes of helping tweak or improve them. As for the edit count, my main point was that I would like to see you interact more with the community, not so much see more activity. I know you're one of our most active wiki creators but I would certainly like to see trust in you built up before seeing you as an administrator. Trust is very important, how can the community support an administrator who they've barely interacted with? My point still stands too that this request feels like it was made too soon after your previously unsuccessful RfP. I would've at least liked you to have waited a few more months along with having contributed more to Meta on the noticeboards and such. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 03:44, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * That is a good point about the Public Test Wiki, but I will note that requires the vandal to actually target that wiki (and that it's not an LTA who would get sysop there), and that still does not allow access to the filter development tools or logs with regards to edits on metawiki. I understand the concern regarding this being potentially too soon after the previous request, I wouldn't have done so this soon afterwards if not in response to the recent vandal attacks. — Arcversin (talk) 04:02, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Why would it be required that a spammer first spam the test wiki before you're able to make an abuse filter? You can observe behavior on Meta and tweak your filter on the PTW accordingly and then propose it to the attending sysop and see what happens. Additionally, what logs could you need from Meta that are not publicly visible? What matters are the edits that were let through, the ones which weren't caught by any AbuseFilter. The ones which were caught by the AF aren't very relevant but even so, we can usually examine the caught entries. We also have many Meta sysops would are Consuls and sysops on there, certainly development can't be hindered because a Meta sysop here doesn't have rights over there. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 04:48, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah, I thought you were referring to using PTW as a place to actually test filters. In the process of developing abuse filters, you'll very often set a new filter to log-only mode in order to catch false positives before actually setting it to warn or deny. — Arcversin (talk) 05:07, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * 1)  My comments since the last request remain valid despite the vandalism attacks that took place since that was simply an isolated event. With the addition that I do not think it is a very good idea to try to request administrator so soon after having withdrawn a previous request. I would recommend waiting another month or so at least before reconsidering to request. --DeeM28 (talk) 06:19, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * 2) . per above Comments, i have no concerns towards this candidate --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 13:24, 21 February 2022 (UTC)


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