Meta:Requests for permissions/Archive 7

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うざっきー (sysop)

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 * One support and five opposes. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 12:56, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

User: うざっきー ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log ) Group: sysop Reason:

Additional comments: I think it is important for Japanese people to check carefully for Japanese editing, but Japanese people do not yet have a single administrator. Therefore, in order to manage Japanese posts, I will run for an administrator. --Uzakky（talk／log／MWpedia（my cite）） 11:39, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * Comments/Questions
 * 1)   LGTM, although low edit count on Meta. If you become trusted enough and get sysop, you should run to be global sysop/administrator to be a CVT for Japanese Wikis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiJS (talk • contribs) 17:39, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I am a bit confused from the words that you have used. You say "if you become trusted" which I undestand means that you do not think that うざっきー is currently trusted. If that is the case why the weak support if you do not trust him/her? In addition, it is a shame that you have not provided the reasoning behind your support other than the acronym of "LGTM". DeeM28 (talk) 17:36, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * For the first question, I meant more trusted by the community. And for the second one, I was extremely vague and just said LGTM. The reason why I (weak) supported was because of the reasoning. It made sense to why they requested for permissions. Wiki JS   talk  16:10, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) While I think this request was made in good faith, I do not think you are ready to become an admin yet. I suggest you to become more active, help out with translations and request this right again in 5-6 months.  19:01, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  To early  17:14, 10 April 2021 (UTC) ］ |
 * 3)  To begin, no accurate reasoning is given for why this permission is required. The user says it is to "manage Japanese posts" but I do not understand what this statement means though it does not sound like something that requires the position of administrator. Second, the user has only been on Meta for a little longer than a month and has almost exclusively done translations. This is of course a good thing and is appreciated by the community I am sure, but it is not nearly enough to be trusted and to demonstrate experience for the role of administrator. Finally, as I said in another recent administrator request my belief is that there is not a need for an extra administrator at this time on Meta. For these reasons I must oppose this request. DeeM28 (talk) 17:36, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 4)  - You haven't gained enough trust of this community, yet. Try requesting patroller first. InspecterAbdel (talk) 16:26, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 5) *InspecterAbdel They are a, as per their user rights. Dmehus (talk) 16:45, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 6) **(to japanese guy) Oh, well try wiki creator, but you need to earn a little more trust to gain it. InspecterAbdel (talk) 16:47, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 7) per SNOW Zppix (Meta &#124; talk to me) 17:24, 19 April 2021 (UTC)


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MarioMario456 (Wiki creator)

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 * by the candidate, per their request. Dmehus (talk) 00:24, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

User: MarioMario456 ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log ) Group: Wiki creator Reason: I have bureaucrat on many wikis, and have almost 6000 global edits (proof). I have created 4 wikis, understand the Content Policy (like no spam, no hate wikis or pages, etc), and I am currently adopting a wiki that was closed for inactivity (Marvelous TV Show Episodes Wiki).

Additional comments: I want wiki creator because, as an admin on many wikis, there are so many wiki requests that violate the Content Policy and/or Code of Conduct, and I want to review the wiki requests.


 * Questions
 * 1) How would you action the following requests (i.e., approve, decline, or request more information/clarification) and why:
 * 2) * (a) A wiki proposed to discuss the Stalinism political ideology
 * 3) * (b) A wiki whose description reads, "Migrate from Fandom wiki because Miraheze has no ads and Fandom sucks."
 * 4) * (c) A wiki, with language code  or , that proposed to expose "truth and scandal" about Chinese political or business leaders
 * 5) * (d) A wiki which proposed to create pages with infoboxes about users (Miraheze or not, but mainly Miraheze) and share information, some personal, about them
 * --Dmehus (talk) 15:01, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * (a). Immediate reject. Accept as long as it isn't a propaganda wiki. I'll ask if their wikis is only for discussion of Stalinism or propaganda. If it's propaganda, reject.
 * (b). Accept. I'll ask to provide the purpose of the wiki or the link to the Fandom version. If the concept is allowed on Fandom but goes against the Content Policy or Code of Conduct, reject.
 * (c). Accept as long as it isn't a propaganda wiki. I'll ask to clarify the purpose of their wikis. Reject if they violate the Content Policy and/or the Code of Conduct.
 * (d)- Immediate reject as Content Policy Code of Conduct violation. Ask if the publication of their information is authorized by the users/persons. If they say "no", reject.
 * MarioMario456 (talk) 15:05, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * MarioMario456 Thank you for your prompt responses to the questions and for formatting the responses very well. Can you state your reason(s) for each one? Feel free to add either a further reply to this question or to amending your reply above, wrapping reason in  to show that it's been inserted after the fact. Dmehus (talk) 15:10, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for amending your responses. Question C is a bit of a tricky one, so you may not have known that one, but you may wish to read the tips I provided at User talk:DarkMatterMan4500/Archive 1, so you would want to request clarification on that one. Question B also tells us nothing about the wiki's purpose and scope (i.e., the content of the wiki), so it needs more details. Question A is correct and a good answer. Question D is a reasonable answer, though a better answer would've been to request more information on what sort of information, especially personal information, the wiki proposed to write about users. Dmehus (talk) 15:14, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * Comments
 * 1)  Yes, this guy has helped me with whatever problems I have faced on multiple wikis, so perhaps he could be more helpful by being a Wiki Creator. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 15:51, 14 April 2021 (UTC)  I'm abstaining this for now. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 13:39, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  My main concern is the fact that the user has only been on Meta for less than two months and during this time has only so far produced 40 contributions (33 not counting this request) most of which pertain to global locks. I would have been more comfortable supporting this request if the candidate would have requested this after having had more contributions and being more active on Meta. The answers to the questions were mostly satisfying in my opinion besides Question D where I agree with what Dmehus said above but would also add that it is important to know whether this week appears to simply be neutral or whether it will have unfounded/unsourced rumours making it a Content Policy violation. To conclude my main reasoning behind this weak oppose is my belief that having a minimal number of contributions and answering a few questions is not sufficient to become wiki creator and contributions on Meta and engagement with the community is an important element that should also be satisfied so that the community gets to know how the candidate operates better. As already mentioned in case this request is unsuccessful I would reconsider my vote at a later time after more activity. DeeM28 (talk) 15:10, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 3)  Poor conduct is all I want to mention.  16:12, 15 April 2021 (UTC
 * could you elaborate on this a little bit? If there is an opposition on the grounds of poor conduct I would prefer to know more details before deciding what my opinion is on this request. Joritochip (talk) 01:24, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * He's been extremely demanding in tone for a start on Phabricator. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  06:58, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * What RhinosF1 said + you should also read his messages on IRC. 13:23, 16 April 2021 (UTC)


 * 1)  Simmilar to R4356th, his conduct on Phabricator has been way too impolite towards sysadmins. I'm not going to risk that tone being the first thing a user sees when they want a wiki with us.  ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  06:58, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  When it turned out that the conduct has had ugly behavior towards authoritative individuals, we can only thank example sysadmins that Miraheze exists. --Anton (talk) 13:47, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 3)  I don't really trust this user to be a wiki creator at this time, due to what RhinosF1 and R4356th mentioned above.  16:13, 19 April 2021 (UTC) ］ |
 * 4) per others Zppix (Meta &#124; talk to me) 17:25, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 5) per RhinosF1 and R4356th above Joritochip (talk) 22:50, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 6) Weak oppose per others.   Circley  Does Extracter    ( Circley Talk  |  Global   |  Email the Cloud )  14:13, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 7) w:WP:NOTNOW InspecterAbdel (talk) 18:33, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 8) MarioMario456 (talk) 00:17, 23 April 2021 (UTC)


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うざっきー (Wiki creator)

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 * Closing this in accordance with the User close policy. There are 4 votes opposing this request and the reasoning given is consistent with the statement in the policy "that the request is being made too early by a largely inexperienced user". --DeeM28 (talk) 17:12, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

User: うざっきー ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log ) Group: Wiki creator Reason: Since there are few wiki creators who understand Japanese, we will run for wiki creators.

Once you become a wiki creator, we will create a wiki with the following in mind.
 * On wikis that sometimes write about people, make sure you don't write about people who aren't famous.

I check this site more than 3 times a week, so I think it will be a little faster than it is now (especially for applications by Japanese people). Everyone, please vote and comment. --Uzakky（talk／log／MWpedia（my cite）） 10:20, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Additional comments:

Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * Comments/Questions
 * 1)  You have not demonstrated your understanding of the CP and "check[ing] this site more than 3 times a week" is nowhere compared to existing Wiki Creators (at least the ones who are still active). This is your second RfP and I feel like you are busy hat collecting.  11:31, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 2) *R4356th How can you make that assessment of the user's understanding of Content Policy without asking them questions? Why not ask them questions first, prior to just putting up a templated !vote, as you have done in the past? This seems like a failure to assume good faith by pointing at English Wikipedia essays (which, interestingly, is the documentation for when to use a hatnote in an English Wikipedia article). Dmehus (talk) 13:41, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 3) **I do not get why I need to ask questions before commenting here when the reason clearly states this- "Once you become a wiki creator, we will create a wiki with the following in mind. On wikis that sometimes write about people, make sure you don't write about people who aren't famous." I do not get what "we" is supposed to mean here (my guess is they are not fluent in English and that is understandable) but obviously that is not what the CP says. We are not Wikipedia, we allow wikis to write about infamous people and entities. Regarding the WP essay, it is blindingly obvious that I meant to link w:WP:HATSHOP. Now, to sum all that up, could you please refrain from attacking me with nonsense because of your personal grievance regarding me speaking up against you? Regards. 22:24, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 4) ***I have no personal grievance, and did not "attack" you as you claim. I'm just curious why you put up a !vote comment before asking the user some situation-based or other relevant/pertinent questions that help assess whether the user understands Content Policy and can interpret requests accordingly since, as you note, English is not likely first language, so it holds that they would not necessarily demonstrate their understanding of Content Policy in their initial wiki request. I'm not saying, either, that this is something unique to you or anything, but rather, just an observation and a comment that it would be nice if we could see a period (of a day or two) where users ask relevant/pertinent questions, wait for the responses from the requesting user, and then proceed to the casting their opinions on the candidate. Dmehus (talk) 00:15, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 5) I don't really believe you are ready for this right. DuchessTheSponge (talk) 15:33, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 6) Checking 3 times a week is not really enough. Currently some requests are handled in seconds as the current wiki creators are checking meta multiple times per day.. Also, it seems like this is possible hat collecting.  17:43, 7 May 2021 (UTC) ］ |
 * 7) I think its too soon and feels like its SNOWing. Zppix (Meta &#124; talk to me) 21:12, 9 May 2021 (UTC)


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