Requests for Comment/Amending the Meta administrator revocation criteria

This aim of this proposal is rather short and sweet, but the rationale is two-fold. For one thing, in the context of Meta administrators, a very Meta Wiki-centric role if there ever was one, does community mean global activity, as it does for other global permissions, or does it mean activity on Meta Wiki? As well, six months is far too short.

It is, therefore, proposed that:

Section Revocation is amended as follows:


 * Replacing "[t]he user is inactive from the community for a period of 6 months" with "[t]he user has not made any log actions or edits, requiring the  toolkit, on Meta Wiki in three (3) months"

n.b. I am currently drafting a similar proposal related to certain global permissions, notably

Support

 * 1)  as proposer. Dmehus (talk) 06:36, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * 2)  We don't need to pile up administrators who are barely hanging by a thread in terms of activity, we need administrators who use their hats.  Agent Isai  Talk to me! 06:42, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * 3) Clear need with no ambiguity. I would also encourage a similar inactivity clause for all other assigned user rights.  dross  (t • c • g) 06:46, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * 4)  why not?  Anpang 📨  09:54, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) Reducing the inactivity length is a bad idea, and I might even support lengthening it. Since according to the proposer it's not possible to support defining activity without also making the timeframe much more strict, I oppose this proposal (I'm also not 100% convinced the new activity definition makes sense either). The inactivity policy is meant to prevent compromised accounts and removal of permissions from people who will not be returning. Not to extort some specific activity level. I've taken editing breaks of longer than 3 months, and that's fine. enwiki has an activity level of 1 year and they still drop like flies. The only possible benefit this could have is for people who game the inactivity level, but that wouldn't stop them, they can just have one log action every 3 months. Naleksuh (talk) 07:31, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * It won't stop that, no, but it does it more difficult, as the action performed has to in some way be construed as relating to their Meta administrator duties. As well, Meta bureaucrats can use their discretion in terms of whether to apply the clause by taking into account Meta administrators who hold other permissions. Dmehus (talk) 07:36, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Comments

 * I don't like that this proposal seeks to change two things and to support you have to support both. Dmehus, please add multiple proposals both for changing what it means to be inactive and how long you have to be inactive for so I can !vote on each. Also, why was there no comments section until I added it in this edit? Naleksuh (talk) 07:07, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * It doesn't seek to do two things. It's intentionally defining what is construed as relevant activity narrowly, and shortening the timeframe from a long-ish six (6) months. As to the comments section, I just missed adding add, so thanks for adding that. Dmehus (talk) 07:10, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * It doesn't seek to do two things proceeds to explain how it seeks to do two things? I support the new definition of inactivity, but oppose the shortening of the timeframe. Naleksuh (talk) 07:11, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Why oppose the shortened timeframe, though? Three months ought to be plenty of time for a Meta administrator to perform an administrator-related log action or edit. Dmehus (talk) 07:13, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * So because you don't agree that people should oppose it, you won't even give them the option to? Please make them separate. Naleksuh (talk) 07:14, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * The users I've talked to on IRC all strongly support reducing the inactivity timeframe to three (3) months, at least for Meta administrators. If the proposal passes, a separate proposal can be initiated following this RfC to lengthen the inactivity timeframe. Dmehus (talk) 07:26, 7 February 2022 (UTC)