Meta:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive 4

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Request for Rollback (Universal Omega)
Hello, I know I have not done much counter-vandalism here on meta, although I do feel I should have rollbacker, so that if necessary I am able to quickly rollback the edits of vandals. I am active here on meta and quite frequently check the wiki requests, and already patrol many edits on meta, marking then as patrolled, so it makes sense for me to have rollback so that I can use it if needed. I can live without it by just going back and publishing the last good edit, but the rollback would provide a better record, and make it easier to do it. Thank you for the consideration! 15:20, 13 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * I'm not opposed to this, but I personally haven't even requested it as Twinkle's pseudo-rollback via "undo" and "restore to revision" has served me well (though, there has been one, maybe two, instances where  might've helped, mainly relating to another user's refactoring of other users' comments). Dmehus (talk) 15:26, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I actually think I have twinkle off, thanks for reminding me. In that case I do suppose this request is somewhat unnecessary. Thanks! 15:33, 13 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * I also would see no reason to oppose this, though I personally feel that there is very little vandalism on Meta currently and that as Dmehus said, Twinkle would probably work. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 15:52, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for reminding me about Twinkle, and while you may be right about there being very little vandalism on meta, I do not need Rollbacker with Twinkle existing. However, I do think I should mention that twinkle seems unreliable, and does not work on all my devices for some unknown reason. But for now I suppose I do not need Rollback. Thanks for the replies! 04:01, 14 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * Although  is rarely needed due to the pseudo-rollback feature included within the Twinkle (which uses  ), you've articulated a clear purpose and use case (i.e., the Twinkle compatibility issue when mobile), and you are trusted, so I'm inclined to grant this request, provided that you only use   when on mobile for obvious vandalism or for reverting Discord/auth. So, ✅. Dmehus (talk) 18:59, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Request for Patroller (Universal Omega)
Hello, I would like to request the patroller group. I was active patrolling edits in the past when it was the autopatrolled group and would like to continue that. Thanks! 16:05, 30 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * On hold for a few days to a week while we finalize the guidelines. Generally, I'm hoping that all patrollers will add things like unsigned, including timestamps (adjusted back to UTC time, as applicable), to talk page and noticeboards without signatures and/or timestamps, but yes, you are among the first patrollers I would like to see onboarded. Dmehus (talk) 18:51, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. Please ensure you that you follow the main  guidelines that will follow on your user talk page. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Dmehus (talk) 03:49, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Request for Patroller (CircleyDoesExtracter)
Hi. I am CircleyDoesExtracter. I can nicely request the patroller right. I had experience adding unsigned signatures and patrolling edits. Since I supported the idea of the patroller group on Meta, I'd like to request it and continue with the autopatrolled right. Thanks! Circley Does Extracter    ( Circley Talk  |  Global   |  Email the Cloud ) 01:27, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. Please ensure you that you follow the main  guidelines that will follow on your user talk page. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Dmehus (talk) 03:49, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Request for patrollers (松・Matsu)
Hi,there.Since the Japanese character code is minor and often has garbled characters, I would like to go around editing written in Japanese and help meta.thanks.--松•Matsu (talk) 14:50, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * On hold for a few days to a week while we finalize the guidelines. Generally, I'm hoping that all patrollers will add things like unsigned, including timestamps (adjusted back to UTC time, as applicable), to talk page and noticeboards without signatures and/or timestamps, but yes, you are among the first patrollers I would like to see onboarded. Dmehus (talk) 18:51, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. Please ensure you that you follow the main  guidelines that will follow on your user talk page. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Dmehus (talk) 03:49, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you.:)--松•Matsu (talk) 08:12, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Request for Patroller (Bonnedav)
Hello, I am Bonnedav. I may not be around all the time but do pop up occasionally. I have done patrolling on Meta before and wish to continue to do so. Thus i wish to request the new  group for this reason. Thank you. Bonnedav (talk) 22:09, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅; I was hoping you'd request this. Please ensure you that you follow the main  guidelines that will follow on your user talk page. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Dmehus (talk) 22:32, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Request for Patroller (Hypercane)
Hello, I would like to request the  user group as I believe it would be a great way for me to start helping out here on Meta. I'll look at any relevant guidelines you give me, thank you. Hypercane (  talk ) 00:28, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. Thanks for volunteering. Dmehus (talk) 00:29, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Request for to be added to the   user group

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
 * Consensus for. John (talk) 16:41, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

The following is a brief proposal for discussion, primarily, among administrators and interested Meta community members who follow this page to add the  user right to the   user group. Using the Special:MergeHistory special page,  is a user right that allows the revisions from one page to be moved, or merged, rather, into another page. It is primarily used for fixing things like improper cut and paste page moves, so in that way, is sometimes seen as a counter-vandalism tool. Nevertheless, it also secondarily used to history merge in the revisions from one older page into the revisions of a newer page, with the primary reason being for CreativeCommons copyright licensing compliance (see also this English Wikipedia guideline page for more on that). Commonly established guidelines on the English Wikipedia recommend that it be avoided where there are significant concerns with regard to parallel page histories.

Background: In somewhat of a curious anomaly, likely the result of a clerical oversight when Meta was established (since there are no merge log entries),  was never assigned to the   user group (see this special page in ManageWiki).

Rationale: I personally have a least a couple pages requiring history merging, mainly per attribution reasons and also for housekeeping reasons so redundant trailing redirects left behind by what would be the resulting merge can be safely deleted; however, and I have also been discussing the need to establish a Meta-only community discussion noticeboard (likely at Community portal, which, in turn, would see that historical page's revisions history merged into Community noticeboard/Archive 1 and made extant to the current revision on that archive page), to eliminate or reduce certain confusion if using Community noticeboard that would almost certainly be confused with community noticeboard, since he isn't keen on co-mingling Meta-only discussions with global or Miraheze community/customer discussions on community noticeboard, and, frankly, neither am I. We also briefly toyed around with my alternate idea of having a Bureaucrats' noticeboard, but seeing as bureaucrats on Meta only really grant interface administrator requests and close local RfCs (other than things like approving bots and closing administrator discussions at Requests for permissions), there's little need for them to have a separate noticeboard of their own, and, with   in the name, users may incorrectly perceive they aren't allowed to participate on that potential noticeboard. Now, if the community still preferred a Bureaucrats' noticeboard as an alternative to Community portal, we would certainly support that, but there is still such a potential use case for  that it should be added to the   user group.

Proposal: To add the  user right to the   user group.

Note: This proposal should remain open for at least seven (7) calendar days, but given how minor of a user right addition this is, it can likely be closed early (by a bureaucrat on Meta who also holds steward rights, for technical reasons) if at least five people, having valid arguments, have expressed a supportive view with overwhelming consensus of at least 80% or greater.

Proposed by: Dmehus (talk) 21:43, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Support

 * 1)  As proposer. Dmehus (talk) 21:49, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)  I do see how this could be useful for the administrators to have.  21:53, 5 September 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * 3)  Might be useful for sysops.   Circley  Does Extracter    ( Circley Talk  |  Global   |  Email the Cloud )  22:52, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * 4)  Would be useful for Meta admins to have. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 05:15, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * 5)  Can be useful for administrators HeartsDo (Talk || Global || Wiki Creator) 12:51, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Discussion

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section

Autopatrolled request
First, I moved accounts from Tom191 to this account, which the former is autopatrolled. Second, I know how to use meta, vote in requests, I sign my posts, and add unsigned for others too. AppleCrunchy (talk) 23:56, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Are you able to sign in to your account and have it reply to this thread, confirming that Tom191 and AppleCrunchy are the same person? If you had created AppleCrunchy while signed in as Tom191, it would show up in the user creation log that Tom191 had created the user account AppleCrunchy. Nevertheless, once you've done this, this LGTM, and I'm inclined to approve. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 00:40, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm AppleCrunchy Tom191 (talk) 13:05, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. Thanks for confirming from your, which you can now shelve, if you wish. You may want to add a notice on Tom191's global user page that it is a retired/former account. On your global user page (or Meta user page), you may, optionally, wish to disclose your prior Tom191 account, but that part is up to you as well. Here's the diff link for your confirmation edit from Tom191 for AppleCrunchy. Dmehus (talk) 13:49, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Special:MyLanguage and "tvar" tags on FAQ
Hi, Raltseye has left a message on my talk page for ask to "implement Special:MyLanguage in tvar tags on FAQ" but I can not do this because the page is sysop protected. If a admin can take care this task, it would be good :). HeartsDo (Talk || Global || Wiki Creator) 06:00, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hrm, this should already be enabled, as I have seen  used on pages on Meta, quite frequently in fact. Maybe  just means to update the source pages with this tag? If so, I'd recommend reaching out to either (a) any translation administrator (for non-administrator-protected pages) or (b) any administrator (for any administrator-protected pages). Hope this is of some assistance. Dmehus (talk) 15:04, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's what I meant with "implementing", as in putting the actual tags in the source code on the page itself. I appologize if I used the wrong wording. --Raltseye (talk) 22:29, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm going to temporarily lower the page protection on that page temporarily, so you or can undertake this. When it is complete, please reply back to this thread, and we'll (a) re-protect the page and (b) re-mark the page for translation. How does that sound? Dmehus (talk) 01:08, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. --Raltseye (talk) 22:10, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I think I'm done, I don't see anything more to do on FAQ., you're more than welcome to inspect of course. I also took care of some redirects and some dubble spaces that were scattered around.
 * Also, maybe Board should be translated, I don't know, maybe. --Raltseye (talk) 23:01, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know that you seem to be done with updating FAQ. I'll leave the protection lowered for another day or so, in case you have anymore updates to do, then will mark it for translation. Regarding Board, since it's a global page, I checked Miraheze's board secretary, who had no issues with it being a translated page. So, I will take care of that now. Dmehus (talk) 23:14, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks! --Raltseye (talk) 23:20, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Board is all ✅, and is ready to be translated now. Let me know if you would like to translate the two subpages of that page. Dmehus (talk) 23:30, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'm not so sure about the other two sub pages but yeah, maybe if you think it's appropriate. Also, next time, don't forget to add the Special:MyLanguage only on pages that can be translated and not on the likes of talk and user pages, since those (typically) can't be translated and in tvar tags so they can easily be translated without having to write the whole link. --Raltseye (talk) 21:02, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip on the  tags. I'll definitely try and do that in the future, and it was chiefly from your sample code that I am now much more confident in using them! As to the Special:MyLanguage links, yeah, I guess that's probably true, but the thinking was that the subpages would likely be translated, so couldn't hurt. Anyway, I will mark those subpages now. Dmehus (talk) 21:13, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

That's great! Also, could you add tvar tags to the main page? --Raltseye (talk) 16:54, 16 September 2020 (UTC)