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Zppix - Revocation of Rights (Sysop)

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User: Zppix ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Group: sysop

Reasoning for request
Alright, let me start off by saying that this decision to post a revocation of rights request was so not made lightly or easy in any case. I understand there will be mixed opinions about whether this is warranted and whether I am mistaken to even take such action as posting this request. That's fine, but I will give in detail the reasoning for my posting of this proposal.

Over the past month or so, Zppix has made some very questionable decisions, which has apparently resulted in hi
 * 1) Feeling as though he is not limited by the policy to which he is bound by;
 * 2) Failing to assume good faith to new users on Meta;
 * 3) Failing to adequately warn good faith users who make mistakes user talk pages, seemingly preferring to take the action which requires the least amount of effort (i.e., a block);
 * 4) Feeling as though he is impervious to error when other administrators question his administrator actions and/or decline to act; and,
 * 5) Being unable to differentiate between his Meta administrator and Global Sysop roles, which suggest role conflict

Firstly, some examples of this include Zppix has been very rude to newcomer users and has not been assuming any good faith, and has been far to quick to take action against simple good faith mistakes with no attempt to engage with them beforehand.[src] There was also this example[src] in which he blocked a user for a week, without warning, merely for trying, in good-faith, to create a user page and being blocked by an abuse filter. He also ignored a warning from another Meta bureaucrat on his own talk page, [src] to which he obviously saw per is own responses to another user to that very same thread, [src] but had no effort to improve upon his behavior and to seemingly have no regard for John's warning, which is absolutely unacceptable for a Meta administrator to disregard a warning from a Meta bureaucrat or even any fellow Meta administrator, least of all one who is also a steward, like that.

Most recently he issued a local Meta block against a user which he had been previously arguing with on his talk page [src] and on Discord. On IRC, during a conversation with other users, Zppix even acknowledged that he should not take action against this user because he was personally invested in it. [src] However, he seemed to not care and blocked the user anyway.[src] That is an example of an action which he should've not done and waited for approval to block him from whomever he claimed to have talked to. [src], [src], and [src] It is worth noting that Zppix also during this same IRC conversation, apparently requested another Global Sysop or Steward globally lock his account for something occurring in Meta alone as well as his own personal annoyance with the user, letting personal opinion dictate his actions as a Meta administrator. The fact that he feels the user should either be globally locked or locally blocked on Meta suggests he either doesn't understand the difference between the purpose of a global lock and a local block, or, even more problematic, he apparently feels as though he can do either. src After seemingly failing to get another volunteer to globally lock this user, he took his own local action on Meta, once again, showing his disregard for the community and authority.src

As a final note, I would like to add that far too often, the log entries Zppix gives are very vague.[src]

Additionally, should this revocation request pass as successful, the community additionally requests that a bureaucrat and steward review the circumstances surrounding Zppix' global account locks and Meta blocks in the past 30-60 days (steward or bureaucrat discretion applies here), excluding spam only accounts, to ensure that they were all justified and appropriate to the policy infractions claimed.


 * Note: Given that this involves both his Global Sysop and Meta administrator roles, there is also a companion revocation request for Zppix'  Global Sysop user group at Requests for global rights, in which you're encouraged to review and express a view.

Additional proof/explanation

 * Regarding the IRC conversation, which you can see in the section below, Zppix originally requested that that user be globally locked. That is a 100% inappropriate action towards a user who was doing good faith edits, and only made mistakes on Meta alone, absolutely nothing to actually warrent a global lock. And I have absolutely no idea his rationale for attempting to get someone else to globally lock a user where a global lock is not warrented.

Support
Per my proposal. 23:26, 29 October 2020 (UTC) ］ | Hello community, we have an extremely troubling problem at this time. A meta administrator/global sysop by the name of has decided to abuse his powers. This must be dealt with urgently and swiftly, as Zppix has caused nothing but chaos and hurt towards many members of the Miraheze community. There are many examples of Zppix's abuse of power, but I will share a select few with you in this message. For in-depth info, see User talk:Zppix, but for now we'll settle with the basics.
 * He Blocked a user for, and I quote: "Continuing to spam their wiki after being asked to stop". He was not involved in that wiki, got no talk page messages about it, and decided to intervene WITHOUT communicating with the user to either notify them of the block or discuss their behavior. A user requested an un-ban on a wiki and Zppix immediately deleted, with the reason for deletion being simply "No". He overrode a community's decision and deleted another request about a user's ban, citing "Code of Conduct violations by topic creator". You say, oh, that's ok as it's only 3 mistakes in his reign. Well, no. That all has happened in the past TWO WEEKS that has been remembered. Imagine in five years what he has done that hasn't been remembered.
 * He blocked me on Meta ONE HOUR after I had last edited, and also instructed to ban me from TestWiki because I deleted a page. Just a notice: I deleted it with a 's (a consul) permission there. On Meta, the co-founder of Miraheze,  had to step in to get Zppix to stop. He has harassed users on Discord either on servers or in private DMs, calling them a "pain in the ass", or a "whiny b***h".
 * Quotes from John in User talk:Zppix reads:


 * "I am here to address the attitude of an administrator who despite being asked to consider their harsh and heavy handed approach and dislike to engaging with users in a manner to prevent escalation, has chosen to ignore such advice and act in a similar manner to which I have received complaints about from members of the community and fellow administrators in relation to their use of global and local permissions. Since there does not seem to be a willingness to engage in the matter, I will now consider whether more formal processes are necessary to address the matter."
 * "You’ve blocked them for things not even related to the capacity you are acting in then? It seems like you’re trying to justify being called out for acting in a manner not suitable to the role you’re acting in by trying to get out every defence than answer the core solid question of why you blocked a user, an hour after they last edited, in relation to a conflict you were in with them against the advice of your colleagues. Until you can provide a satisfactory answer to that, excuses are not good enough to justify this action."
 * Quite obviously, Zppix has shown no willingness to try and fix his actions, instead resorting to blocking as a way of minimalizing opposition to him. He blocked me because "I wanted to". This is not appropriate behavior that a representative of Miraheze, a Global Sysop, should be portraying. To be blunt, this is an abuse of power. Global Sysops were created to assist Stewards, not outright ignore them, especially when they post on YOUR talk page, looking for an answer but not receiving one. For every one of those reasons and more, I am voting for a full revocation of rights from Zppix, which includes, but is not limited to: Global Sysop, Meta Admin, System Administrator, and Wiki Creator. For Zppix, when you next request rights, make sure you can be responsible and kind with them. Thank you. 23:39, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) While I believe that his block against BlackWidowMovie0000Editor was valid, I believe the hostility concerns displayed are problematic. There are other questionable judgements calls as well. Naleksuh (talk) 23:49, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1)  I think he deserves another chance. Waldo (talk) 05:22, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)  While I approve of the revocation of Zppix as a Global Sysop, I am willing to give it a last chance as a Meta administrator. Added to that, I don't really like that we make two revocation requests at the same time. It's not cool. HeartsDo (Talk || Global || Wiki Creator) 07:19, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * 3)  Contrary to my above statement, I believe Zppix should be given one last chance to be responsible with Meta Sysop rights.  15:35, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * 4)  I supported and thought that Zppix needed a break from Global Sysop however in this instance I agree with HeartsDo that he deserves another chance as Meta administrator and that it would be unfair to remove both rights at the same time. I disagree with some things I have seen him do on Meta but will be willing to give him another chance to acknowledge the constructive criticism that has been give to him by the community this time. DeeM28 (talk) 16:44, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * 5)  I'm willing to give Zppix a change on local sysop, I don't feel like he needs his sysop revoked.  17:30, 30 October 2020 (UTC)


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Gomdoli (Wiki creator)

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 * Gomdoli (talk) 05:31, 3 November 2020 (UTC) ］ |

User: Gomdoli ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Group: Wiki creator

Reason: I joined miraheze, 7 September 2020. And I have contributed to miraheze wikis (including the miraheze meta) for several months. There are 24 Wiki Creators here, but I think about three ~ five seem to be active. I want to shorten the period between the time of the wiki being requested and the time of the wiki being accepted and created.

Additional comments: none

Thanks. Gomdoli (talk) 08:47, 2 November 2020 (UTC) Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * Comments/Questions

Abstain

 * 1)  Ordinarily I would support all wiki creator requests where I get a good sense the candidate would exercise good judgment in interpreting wiki requests and measuring them against Content Policy; however, given that the requestor's nomination statement is void of any comment that demonstrates their understanding of Content Policy and also that the requestor recently wanted to convert his private testing wiki into an unauthorized fork of Public Test Wiki, do feel like the candidate would do well to reach out to an existing wiki creator and engage in a mentorship, with situational-based probing questions that shows the candidate can fully interpret wiki requests and measure them against Content Policy, and try again, perhaps as a third party nomination, in another couple months. As well, due to the activity level of a handful of wiki creators, we're meeting or exceeding our de facto service level agreement ("SLA") standards. Dmehus (talk) 15:26, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 2) *I thought I knew wiki create and Content Policy well, but I wasn't. Thank you. :) Gomdoli (talk) 05:39, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1)  you clearly don't understand our wiki creating policies, nor do you have a good reason towards your request I would suggest getting to know our wiki creating policies before requesting wiki creator and not to mention you only have been at miraheze 1 month it's too early. --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 14:01, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)  I feel it may be a bit to early.  15:17, 2 November 2020 (UTC) ］ |


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BlackWidowMovie0000Editor (Bot)

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 * ❌. This can be assigned locally on your wiki. This is for Meta bots. Dmehus (talk) 16:57, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

User: BlackWidowMovie0000Editor ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Group: Bot

Reason: I am requesting the bot permission because it will be easier to manage my wikis if the bot can block users, protect/delete pages when I'm not on the wiki. If a user vandalizes something, the bot can quickly revert, protect, and then block the account for page vandalism. If there isn't a bot, the user can keep on vandalizing until a sysop comes online and blocks the user. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlackWidowMovie0000Editor (talk • contribs) 16:39, 11 November 2020 UTC

Additional comments:

Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * Comments/Questions


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BlackWidowMovie0000Editor (Wiki creator)

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 * ❌ per User close policy. Though there is no minimum support ratio for wiki creator, consensus is clear here that the candidate's recent contraventions of user accounts policy and active partial block on Meta indicate concerns of trustworthiness. Candidate would be well advised to heed the concerns and put some distance between those contraventions and disruptive behaviour, and engage with an experienced wiki creator in a mentorship arrangement after a few months time. Dmehus (talk) 05:19, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

User: BlackWidowMovie0000Editor ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Group: Wiki creator

Reason: I am requesting this right because I believe I am ready to tackle the responsibilities of the Wiki creator. I have repeatedly read the Content Policy and the Wiki creator guide, and am ready to answer any questions anyone might have for me. I know that there are some who have issues with my trust level, but I promise I will be impartial, and responsible with these permissions. I realize some users will immediately write:, but I strongly urge you to reconsider, as I have grown familiar with the policies and all that is going on.  —［  ］［ Talk  |  Contributions  |  Guestbook  | Status:   00:51, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Additional comments:

Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * Comments/Questions
 * 1) Hey, who set the thermostat so low? It is SNOWing in here. Zppix (Meta &#124; Sysadmin &#124; talk to me) 02:58, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 2) In good faith. Waldo (talk) 03:02, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 3) While I certainly believe in second chances, that generally requires time passing (you were engaging in sockpuppetry less than a week ago), and even if that is ignored you are currently blocked from mainspace. Naleksuh (talk) 04:26, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 4)  I think you're still early. -- Gomdoli (talk) 04:42, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 5)  I unfortunately can not support this request. In the past few days alone, you have requested rights on every community wiki, you are currently blocked from editing the main namespace of meta, and have actively engaged in sockpuppetry.  04:44, 18 November 2020 (UTC) ］ |


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R4356th (Wiki creator)

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 * Successful. John (talk) 18:28, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

User: R4356th ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Group: Wiki creator

Reason: I live in Asia and when I visit Meta and look at the Recent Changes feed in the afternoon (usually 1 p.m.), I see several wikis have been requested (in the Farmer log, of course). These wikis usually get created within the next seven hours. I believe that these wiki requests should ideally be reviewed faster. I have read and understood the Content Policy and Wiki Creators' Guide. For these reasons, I believe I will be able to help Miraheze by reviewing requests and creating wikis, and minimising the wiki request response time in the process.

Additional comments: I currently have 1579 global edits, of which 1021 are on Meta (909 of them have been made in the past 30 days). I am a bureaucrat on Snap! Wiki and Batman Family Wiki. I am also active with translating on Meta. R4356th (talk) 20:46, 21 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Questions
 * 1) The problem with the Asian wiki requests isn't so much a time of day issue, but rather, an issue with the poor quality of the Google Translate machine translations. Can you describe how you would overcome this with respect to the Mandarin, Cantonese, Traditional Chinese, Japanese, and Korean wiki requests? Dmehus (talk) 21:05, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I unfortunately do not know any of the languages you have mentioned above. If there are wiki requests in these languages, I would leave them for another Wiki Creator of that language. If they do not review the requests in a reasonable amount of time, I would review them myself after using at least two translating software to translate the description. R4356th (talk) 09:23, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) In your own words, explain to me each point in the Content Policy. Zppix (Meta &#124; Sysadmin &#124; talk to me) 22:00, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I have explained the points below -
 * A wiki's main purpose cannot be for commercial activity. Wikis cannot be used for showing advertisements to visitors or users or spamming and search engine optimisation. However, wikis are allowed to have fundraiser-type sales and information regarding commercial activities.
 * Contents in wikis must be legal in the United Kingdom. This means various forms of contraband, content inciting violence and underage nudity cannot be present in a wiki. Additionally, wikis must not have any infringing content copyright.
 * A wiki must not have contents spreading unsubstantiated insult, hate or rumours against a person or group of people. All contents on wikis must be fairly balanced, meaningful or substantiated with independent referencing.
 * A wiki must not create problems for other wikis. A wiki must not have contents which tend to draw unwelcome attention to Miraheze, for example, hate speech, routine denial of service attacks, excessively violent content, or places in which illegal activity is discussed can create issues for other wikis like domain blacklisting, downtimes, excessive staff time usage and in search engine optimisation. A wiki must also not be an exact duplicate or fork of another wiki.
 * Miraheze has the permission of redistributing a wiki's contents. By hosting a wiki on Miraheze, the wiki founder grants Miraheze a limited, worldwide license to redistribute content from their wiki to the users they permit to access their site and to Miraheze personnel to ensure that Miraheze can provide service.
 * (I have not explained the points "Miraheze may delete unused and empty wikis" and "Public wikis should develop a content policy" because they have nothing to do with wiki creation.) R4356th (talk) 11:51, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * Comments


 * 1)  and I can help you about Korean requests. -- Gomdoli (talk) 01:46, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)  Seems valid and non-greed. Waldo (talk) 01:57, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 3)  Reasonable understanding and application of Content Policy. I don't get the best sense how you would action requests with an unclear purpose, scope, and/or topic, but in my discussions with you on Discord and on here on Meta Wiki, you've shown yourself to be both quite receptive and responsive to feedback from others, which is essential. Additionally, your response to my question was quite good and satisfied any reservation I may or may not have had following your initial self-nomination statement. As such, this LGTM, and am happy to support. If your nomination is successful, I will be reaching out to you separately, as I have with and to other successful wiki creators to provide you my usual tips and best practices. Dmehus (talk) 14:27, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 4)  Out of good faith I think this user is worthy of wiki creator --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 15:38, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 5)  Per above HeartsDo (Talk || Global || Wiki Creator) 18:00, 27 November 2020 (UTC)


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Shaunak Chakraborty (Wiki creator)

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 * No consensus for granting. John (talk) 14:55, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

User: Shaunak Chakraborty ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Group: Wiki creator

Reason: I am here on Miraheze from last 2 years, I'm an interwiki administrator and the owner of the third largest wiki Gyaanipedia on Miraheze. I want to handle especially the Indian wiki requests as the Indian Standard Time differs from another timezone so it will take time for wiki creation. As I told that I am on this platform since more than 2 years so you can trust me.

Additional comments: I have around 4700 global edits on Miraheze and want to serve Miraheze from my heart and get involve here so it's my humble request kindly give me in right. India is having the 2nd largest population in the world so the requests also will be more in number as compare with other countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shaunak Chakraborty (talk • contribs) 07:52, 28 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Questions

Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * Comments


 * 1)  Despite India's population being very large, there are not many requests from India. My timezone is just 30 minutes ahead of India and I do understand Hindi enough to review a Hindi request (but not the other languages which are spoken there with the exception of Bengali). And I usually do not see you here on Meta unless you have any issue with any wiki you run. So, I do not know whether to support this or not. But considering you have so many global edits, you may make a good wiki creator. I guess I am neutral for now. R4356th (talk) 11:14, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)  While the candidate is certainly active outside of Meta and no doubt very active in adding interwiki prefixes to the candidate's own Gyannipedia network of Miraheze customer wikis to the candidate's own wikis, the lack of Meta activity and activity on Discord precludes me from supporting. That being said, I also don't like opposing candidates I don't know, so  is, for better or for worse, where I have to sit here, as I cannot assess the candidate's understanding of Content Policy. I would point out, though, that as  pointed out, he is from your timezone. Together with him, myself, Naleksuh, HeartsDo, FireBarrier101, Zppix, MrJaroslavik, and other active wiki creators, I doubt you would have to wait more than an hour or two for a requested wiki to be approved and thus created Dmehus (talk) 14:27, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Dear I completely respect your statement, I knew the Content Policy completely. Although I have less edits on Meta but I truly believe that trust and believe stands more than edits which I gained since last 2 years, as I am an active user and have the largest number of edits on my wiki Gyaanipedia proves that I am a hard-working person. I know this, that I am a responsible person and I can be an excellent wiki creator so I should get a chance. Shaunak Chakraborty (talk) 15:57, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply. As I say, I don't have any opposition, but for me, I really can't assess your understanding of Content Policy based on your lack of recent Meta editing activity. Any wiki descriptions for wikis you've requested, similarly, don't give me any idea, particularly as they have been quite short. Not saying you need to have a great deal of Meta editing activity, but just a bit more. I would rather see you engage with an existing wiki creator privately on Discord or IRC over the next month or so, and then have that individual renominate you for wiki creator following that successful mentorship. Dmehus (talk) 16:01, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 1)  would like to see more global activity, first. Zppix (Meta &#124; Sysadmin &#124; talk to me) 17:45, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)  Waldo (talk) 18:36, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 3)  You have activity globally and I will not contest that, but, if you want to become wiki creator for me, you should have a minimum of activity here in Meta, I don't ask to be a patroller or something that request time, just to be here a little more or you can request a mentorship with a wiki creator as Dmehus says HeartsDo (Talk || Global || Wiki Creator) 06:27, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 4)  I would like to see you make more global edits and show us you understand our wiki creating policies first before becoming wiki creator --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 15:47, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 5)  I don't know who you are. Gomdoli (talk) 06:32, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I do not think that "knowing who a user is" should really influence a vote. You can check the users' contributions and ask them questions so you find out what they are like. DeeM28 (talk) 11:46, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 1)  I have only recently became aware of you, as such I can not quite support this request, however I can't oppose it either.  06:47, 1 December 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * Dear &  I hope you people heard about Gyaanipedia which is one of the largest parody of Wikipedia in the world I mostly contribute there only. Shaunak Chakraborty (talk)
 * 1)  I have said many times before that I do not like discouraging users and so I would not like this comment to be treated as that. I do have some issues that unfortunately do not play in the favour of me supporting this request. First, I agree with R4356th comments above, that as far as I have noticed there are not many Indian requests so saying that you would like to mostly handle those is an issue and would mean you would not be handling many requests at all. I would like to see more about handling wiki requests in other languages, not a complete focus on Indian requests. Second, I do not see why contributing to the Gyanipedia wikis would really have anything to do with a users' notoriety on Meta. Finally it would be a good idea if a user who is more experienced with wiki creating and the Content Policy (I am not) would ask some questions to see your knowledge. I do think that if you are more active on Meta and do show you are willing to engage with non-Indian requests too and that you understand the Content Policy you can become wiki creator at a later time. DeeM28 (talk) 11:36, 2 December 2020 (UTC)


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Waki285 (Wiki creator)

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 * Successful. John (talk) 14:59, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

User: Waki285 ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Group: Wiki creator

Reason: I am a Japanese vowel speaker. I have translated Meta and TestWiki so far. Currently, there is only one Japanese wiki creators User:シュヴァルツ, and he hasn't been active for more than a month. For that reason, I made this application because I wanted to process the application quickly.

Additional comments: I read Wiki creators and　Wiki creators guide. -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waki285 (talk • contribs) 05:02, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Questions
 * Please answer the following wiki request questions in terms of how you'd handle the request (i.e., accept, decline, request more information, or consult with another wiki creator) and why:
 * Request description translates directly from a Chinese variant language, "to expose truth and scandal."
 * A wiki which proposes to compare and contrast extreme political ideologies, including Nazism, Neo-Nazism, fascism, Stalinism, and Communism.
 * Request description reads "Pepelaugh" and sitename reads "Unified Freedom Front of Russia."
 * Request description reads "I want to share information about Grape SMP."
 * Request description reads "Migrating from Fandom over to here."
 * Request description reads "To test MediaWiki" and sitename is the requestor's username.
 * In addition, I haven't seen you on Discord or IRC. Are you on one (or both) platforms? Though not required, it is recommended, perhaps highly, as wiki creator collaboration is essential, and wiki talk page discussions are sub-optimal for quick messages. --Dmehus (talk) 05:22, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Reject as "What truths and scandals do you want to reveal them? And what exactly does it mean to create this wiki? Go back to Special:RequestWikiQueue/(Requests Number) and add content to your request description. Please add. Thank you."
 * Reject as "Why do you do this? And what if those politicians see these things? Go back to Special:RequestWikiQueue/(Request Number) and add them to the description. Please. Thank you."
 * Reject as "What does this wiki do? What is this wiki for? Please explain in more detail. Go back to Special:RequestWikiQueue/(Request Number) and add it to the description. Thank you."
 * Reject as "What does it mean to share the topic of Grape SMP and what content do you want to post? Add it to Special:RequestWikiQueue/(Number). Thank you."
 * Reject as "Please post the URL of the original Fandom wiki. What is the wiki for? Add it to Special:RequestWikiQueue/(Number). Thank you."
 * Guide to TestWiki--Waki285 (talk) 09:04, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Please answer my following questions:
 * In your own words, explain the various points of the Content policy, and why they are important.
 * If you are not sure about how to handle a wiki request, what should you do? Zppix (Meta &#124; Sysadmin &#124; talk to me) 17:47, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "The primary purpose of your wiki cannot be for commercial activity." ... This is because Miraheze is just a "wiki" service, and spam and commercial use deviate from its intended purpose.
 * "Miraheze does not host any content that is illegal in the United Kingdom" ... These are against not only Britain but also the public order and morals of us humans. Also, in some countries (including the United Kingdom) this can violate the law.
 * "Miraheze does not host wikis with the sole purpose to spread unsubstantiated insult, hate or rumours against a person or group of people" ... This creates a situation where if one wiki puts unwelcome content on a wiki farm, other wikis will also be penalized for SEO, domain blacklisting, and system down. In the worst case, Miraheze itself may be seen as evil. for that reason.
 * "Public wikis should develop a content policy" ... This policy is a minimum policy, so it means that you must follow the ones mentioned so far.
 * Let's get back to the beginning and read Wiki creators guide. If you still don't understand, talk to another wiki creator. --Waki285 (talk) 21:51, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * Comments

Support

Neutral/Abstain
 * 1)  ✅. You had a minor error on one question, but mainly relating to your reason not being sufficient; however, I did not deduct any points. You had one question wrong, but you can discuss with me on Discord or IRC which one that is. Other than that, together with your Japanese translation work, you have the shown the capacity for learning and taking advice from more experienced users, which is crucial to me. So, please do consider joining either IRC via IRCCloud or Discord, as I do feel that would be very helpful and mutually beneficial should your wiki creator request prove successful. Moreover, we do need more Japanese speaking wiki creators, so this will be helpful. Dmehus (talk) 14:51, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)  You are very active on Meta and we need Japanese Wiki Creators because of the number of Japanese Wiki requests. I also noticed that you joined IRC yesterday. R4356th (talk) 15:19, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 3)  Although I have a few concerns I am going to support this out of good faith I am still willing to support this, and think with your 2 years of being at Miraheze you can handle being a wiki creator --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 15:45, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 4)  Active user here on Meta, and we need more Japanese wiki creators. HeartsDo (Talk || Global || Wiki Creator) 16:11, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 5)  Waldo (talk) 16:52, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 6)   06:48, 1 December 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * 7)  Pretty decent overall.   Circley  Does Extracter    ( Circley Talk  |  Global   |  Email the Cloud )  02:43, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 8)  User shows in depth understanding of global policies, including the Content Policy. Justarandomliberal (talk) 09:28, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 9)  At first I hesitated to support this request because while users above say that the user is very active on Meta from what I can see this activity is in relation to translation almost exclusively. I would have liked to see more interacting with users. The two reasons that convinced me to weakly support are the following. First, I do agree that there is a need for more Japanese speaking wiki creators because of some departures. Second, I think that the responses given to the various questions were satisfactory and do demonstrate an understanding of the Content Policy. I would still prefer that the user focuses on the Japanese requests for a initial period of time and after he/she gains experience they could also assist with other languages. DeeM28 (talk) 11:42, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) I’m kind of torn in the middle here. Activity and policy knowledge is there, but I am still not quite sure I can vote either way yet. Zppix (Meta &#124; Sysadmin &#124; talk to me) 00:24, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

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DarkMatterMan4500 (sysop)

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 * I'm going to hereby request for global sysop. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 19:32, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm going to hereby request for global sysop. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 19:32, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

User: DarkMatterMan4500 ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Group: sysop

Reason: Well, considering how I've been on Miraheze since January 29th, 2020, I've gotten to know this community much better than I originally anticipated. I mean, after all, I've helped rollback/revert vandalism on some of the wikis, reported obvious abuse of multiple accounts, along with fighting vandalism (by reporting them to the CVT team on Discord, I feel as though this type of permission would be good enough for me. And if you have a look at my contributions globally, you can see that I have made over 8,000 edits all across the platform. If you have any questions or concerns involving me, please drop me a line, and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Thanks.

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 * It's not clear from this request why you're requesting Meta administrator, since your reasons discuss global activity. I'd personally recommend reaching out to me or another administrator and discuss ways in which you can volunteer on Meta first (i.e., as a patroller, translation administrator, or some other capacity even. Dmehus (talk) 19:25, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, so where would I have to do that? I know I requested this before, but withdrew that because I needed to know more about this community. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 19:26, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I think you meant to make a request for the Global Sysop right. 19:28, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's what I meant to request, as I have a particular interest in helping maintain the wikis. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 19:29, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You can withdraw this request, if you like, by adding  below the section header and   at the very bottom. Dmehus (talk) 19:29, 18 January 2021 (UTC)


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 * ✅ per common sense and the rationale given below. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 16:47, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

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Reason: Could any  please add the   flag to Delete page script, a system administrator MediaWiki maintenance script? It's already bot-flagged on other Miraheze wikis, so this is just a formality to prevent RC flooding. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 16:40, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

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Integer (Wiki creator)

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 * Successful. Two opposes, one raises concerns regarding the candidate while the other raises concerns regarding users that does not include the candidate. Given the community comments in support however, this meets the criteria for appointment. I recommend Integer reviews the opposes and the associated comments in order to improve. John (talk) 22:29, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

User: Integer ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Group: Wiki creator

Reason: The reasons I believe Integer should be a creator are many. The foremost is the many languages he knows. I am sure that Miraheze gets requests for the wiki's in lots of different languages, and he apparently knows 13. That is a lot, especially for your average person. Along with that, he has a strong leadership personality but knows when to back down a little. Also, based on my experience both on Meta and on Ingenpedia, he is just a helpful person.

Additional comments: 1. You can see the languages he knows on his user page.

2. I do (honestly) believe that he does in fact deserve this role, and will help out a lot. He is already super helpful on Ingenpedia and has thousands of global edits. Thanks for everyone taking the time to read!

Yours truly, --RONALDOFAN (talk) 04:19, 18 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Questions
 * 1) What would you do if a wiki request for a public wiki had the following description: "I am requesting this wiki for a cool project that I have"? Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 21:18, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 2) What about "Horrible Twitter Users - a wiki that lists the worst users on Twitter and says why they're terrible"? Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 21:18, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 3) What about "Terrible Organisation Wiki - a wiki that lists awful organizations and describes why they are horrible"? Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 21:18, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 4) What about a private wiki whose description says "Personal wiki for notes"? Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 21:18, 18 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Answers
 * 1) Answer to #1: Deny; Scope and Purpose Needs to be More Clear.


 * 1) Answer to #2: Under the Miraheze Content Policy: Miraheze does not host wikis with the sole purpose to spread unsubstantiated insult, hate, or rumors against a person or group of people. Therefore, this should be denied for violating the content policy.


 * 1) Answer to #3: This is certainly a decision on a tightrope. However, I do think that this may be a violation of the same policy as above. Aside from that, this could, in theory, become unethical, Plus, this is heavily opinionated and could easily end up violating the same or another policy. Therefore this request should be denied without further ado.

Integer talk 01:34, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) Answer to #4: This is not a violation of any of the available Miraheze policies, but a wiki just for notes is a little excessive, and I would probably point the user towards note-taking apps, or ask them to further refine the scope. This would be one to put on hold until a (reasonable) reply.
 * For #2 and #3, it can be reasonable to ask them if they would make it a must for all editors of the wiki (including the requestor themselves) to reference their claims. If the answer is yes and you feel confident then the request can be approved. For #4, there are actually a pretty good number of such wikis on Miraheze. 09:50, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, ok. Thanks! Integer talk 13:26, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

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 * Comments


 * 1)  Thank you so much for the nomination! I would be glad to have this role. I certainly would be happy to volunteer using my extensive knowledge of many languages. I also have read the entire Content Policy and do believe I have an understanding of it. I would be glad to be a wiki creator and would be able to help at least 12 hours a day, with quick acceptions/rejections. I will respect the decision of the community, and appreciate the interest!
 * Many thanks,
 * -- Integer talk 04:42, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 1)  Per reasoning above --RONALDOFAN (talk) 04:24, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Please note that you should had waited for to first accept this nomination.  08:36, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, ok. Sorry, I am new, so I don't quite know all of the policies, but I will try to learn them soon RONALDOFAN (talk) 20:01, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Do not worry; we all make mistakes. :) 20:10, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks! RONALDOFAN (talk) 20:16, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 1)  Certainly valuable insight into policies; also familiar with assorted languages, another valuable asset. Good edit volume on Meta, as well as globally. Overall, worth it. --PortugeseManO&#39;War (talk) 05:22, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  I find it useful to be able to speak 13 languages :)-- 09:09, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 3)  In my own opinion, I think we could use someone who speaks 13 languages for wiki requests, and plus after looking at the number of wiki creators we have I was shocked to see that we had a low number of wiki creators. We could use more of them. --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 16:11, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 4)  (Please see my comment below to find out the reason of the strikethrough Oppose template.)  I hold this to be self-evident that this nomination is questionable. Two users supporting the user (including the nominator themselves) are editors of the nominee's wiki and do not have enough global or Meta contributions. The same can be said for the nominee, in my honest view. While there is no effective way for me to assess the nominee's knowledge of the Content Policy without asking them questions, I cannot see myself doing that as I believe this whole nomination is questionable. I am not saying that this cannot be a good faith nomination or I am interested in biting newcomers, however. I honestly really hate to oppose requests which seem to have been made in good faith. I would like to see more activity globally across Miraheze and especially, here on Meta first. It should also be noted that knowing many languages is not much helpful, unfortunately as we do not get requests in so many non-English languages. The ones which could help us are Japanese, Korean and in some cases, Russian and French (we already have French Wiki Creators).  16:43, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Global activity isn't a policy requirement for wiki creator. Also, as you acknowledge in your own reply, you have no evidence that is not a good-faith request. So this seems like a massive failure to assume good faith. As to Content Policy concerns, the requestor's own wiki requests have been fine, and Stewards have supervisory oversight over wiki creators, so they can guide, warn, and, where necessary, revoke the flag as required. It seems to me to be reasonable to assume good faith, give them a chance and avoid biting the newcomers. Dmehus (talk) 17:03, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * "Global activity isn't a policy requirement" Agreed but you have misinterpreted my words. I was saying that it is favourable but not required. "Stewards have supervisory oversight over wiki creators" - Nice, this should be documented. As for your other concerns, could you please reach me out privately on Discord as a member of the CoCC if you are confident about your claims? Thank you. 17:29, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Regarding the first point, it is documented here. If clarification is needed, we can certainly look at that. To your second point, I'm getting to Discord next, actually, and will reach out to you, but why as a member of the CoCC? Dmehus (talk) 17:33, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * By CoCC is because your reply sounded like a CoC violation warning. As for the Wiki Creator policy, I thought you meant Stewards periodically reviewed our actions. 17:41, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh okay, thanks for clarifying. Even with the CoC, though, stewards should still be first global functionary to resolve potential Code of Conduct issues. The Code of Conduct Commission really should only be involved if (a) there's been no response from stewards to a complaint within a reasonable period of time, (b) the complainant is unsatisfied with the resolution stewards provided, or (c) the case is complex and, usually, has been referred to the Commission by stewards, system administrators, or similar. I guess the CoC would be involved indirectly in the sense, potentially, in some circumstances, but primarily, the policy-based based reason would be for if wiki creators were consistently demonstrating a misunderstanding or misapplication of Content Policy in their wiki approvals and declines. So, that would be the policy under which Stewards would review a wiki creator's approvals or declines. As to how consistently and/or thoroughly stewards review wiki creators' approvals and declines, it probably varies from steward to steward and wiki creator to wiki creator. In some cases, it may be mostly or entirely report driven. In other cases, it may be more of a proactive review, whether systemic or randomized. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 17:50, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * "you have no evidence that is not a good-faith request." Now that RhinosF1's observation added to that of my own strongly suggests this to be case of sockpuppetry, I believe this gets automatically answered. 18:48, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hrm? How's that? This seems like a circular argument to me. It could just as easily be two users failing to assume good faith. Two users, not citing any evidence, does not equate to support for an argument. Dmehus (talk) 18:59, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * To expand on this, the request uneases me and makes me think that the users have a prior history but I'm not of the opinion they are the same person. I think it's more likely if anything that they are friends in real life and the evidence to prove this is as I've said below fairly minimal. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  22:05, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I also do think that while it's not appropiate to deceive that they probably didn't do it deliberately with malicious intent and if they admitted it openly then I'd be more than happy to advise them and reconsider my oppose quite frankly. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  22:07, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 1)  Many of the nominee's recent edits, especially their template creations and translations seemed to have been made just to increase their edit count to me. I also find it fishy of them to increase the number of languages they speak after this RfP has been created. It should also be noted that Wiki Creators sometimes need to deal with requests with inappropriate subdomains where they need to apply their common sense; a recent wiki request of the nominee had such a subdomain (, which is obviously not a good one as it can be used for other purposes by some other wiki and does not indicate that it is personal) which makes it reasonable to wonder if they would be appropriate for this task. As such, I cannot support this request unfortunately.  22:26, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * R4356th You're entitled to maintain your opposing voting argument. The concerns regarding the candidate's template creations and translations would be potentially valid concerns worth raising if the user expressed in interest in volunteering as a translation administrator or administrator on Meta; however, whether one is interested in boosting their edit count (I'm still not convinced that's the case here, to be honest) or whether they just didn't realize that we had Miraheze Template Wiki is sort of beside the point of the wiki creator position. The key point for me is the candidate has either a solid understanding of Content Policy and/or a demonstrated capacity to learn from colleagues, and they're active globally, and, ideally, on Meta. The choice in subdomain for a personal wiki is, admittedly, not great, but that's more of a suggestion that can be guided than an issue with Content Policy. Dmehus (talk) 23:49, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 1)  per the points expressed, per the Integer's own wiki requests, which have been approved and created, which suggest sufficient Content Policy understanding. I'm willing to assume good faith here based on that alone. Most importantly, Stewards have the capacity to guide, warn, and where necessary, revoke the flag if there are persistent unaddressed Content Policy concerns in the wiki creator's approvals and/or declines. Dmehus (talk) 17:06, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  There's a huge elephant in the room with this request. It was created by a user that had only been around for a few hours and the only actions I can see that this user has made involve Integer. The way this shows to me is that you've asked your mate to nominate you. If you want the role, be honest about it.  ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  18:31, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * For one thing, there's no global policy against asking a friend or colleague to support your request. Even if you consider this might be a common sense thing to do, both the nominee and the nominator have acknowledged this is a third-party nomination, so that in itself is an implied express acknowledgment of both being honest about it. For another matter, you've not cited a shred of evidence that nominee or requestor asked another user to support them. It's quite possible, or likely even, that the other user is active on that wiki, and saw the exchange between between the nominee and nominator about a potential third-party nomination. So, this, too, seems like a massive failure to assume good faith and be BITEy. Dmehus (talk) 18:55, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * In the past, Stewards have conducted CheckUser investigations and IIRC, their requests were closed of a link was found. 18:58, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * That would be very inappropriate in this case. I'm not familiar with past instances, but past instances have different contextually relevant circumstances, such as those users' editing patterns (on or off Meta), behaviour, and even the type of permission being requested. Dmehus (talk) 19:02, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * No offense but you cannot say what circumstances past instances had without being familiar with them as you acknowledge in your own reply. This is one for you to read. You may also want to skim through this. 19:23, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm familiar with that instance, and was one of the examples I was thinking you might've been referring to actually. Very different circumstances that are contextually irrelevant to this case. Dmehus (talk) 19:37, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It's misleading and known as meat puppetry. Asking someone to vote for you that has had no prior on wiki reaction without disclosing it creates a huge conflict of interest and in my opinion, if it isn't deemed so already, should be against policy. Given the lack of contributions prior to today, it is not unreasonable at all to assume the user was recruited off site. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  19:14, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm definitely aware of meat puppetry. While it may not be completely unreasonable, given Integer's overwhelmingly constructive editing contributions on Meta Wiki and on their own wiki(s), it's quite unlikely. Thus, this is merely nothing more than a massive failure to assume good faith, bite the newcomers, and generally failure to adhere to the spirit of the Code of Conduct, in my view. Dmehus (talk) 19:23, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't know if it is a very important deal to become a wiki creator, but I just thought he was a smart, multilingual, and helpful guy. If you don't agree with me, that is fine, but it kind of hurts to be blamed like this. Sorry if I caused any type of inconvenience. RONALDOFAN (talk) 20:15, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * RONALDOFAN Since you and I both replied to RhinosF1 at the same indentation level, I assume your reply was directed to RhinosF1, correct? Dmehus (talk) 20:25, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was RONALDOFAN (talk) 20:43, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with you that he seems a nice person but I want to know how you became aware of him and his wiki seem as your very first edit was to ask how to use his wiki. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  20:26, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Gladly! I found Ingenpedia on Google, and I just wanted to check it out. If you go to my user page there, you can see I had just asked about how to edit. Being new, I got confused about the orientation and format of the wiki, so I somehow ended up accidentally going here, to meta. Then I went to the noticeboard and thought it was the Ingenpedia official noticeboard, and therefore asked the question. I got familiar with him since he was the first person to approach me both here and on Ingenpedia. Hope that answers your question. RONALDOFAN (talk) 20:46, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 2 final questions to reassure me. 1) Have you had any contact with Integer prior to last day? 2) What prompted you to perform that google search? ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  21:30, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * To answer your first question, no, I do not know who Integer is IRL, and have not had any contact whatsoever before the question about how to edit. Second, the search was conducted not to find Ingenpedia, but about something unrelated, and Ingenpedia was on page two I believe of the search results, and I just clicked on the link for research purposes, but got interested in how Ingenpedia operates and all, and I already said what happened after that above. Hope that is insightful! RONALDOFAN (talk) 21:41, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm gonna stand by my oppose for now on the grounds that your story is a story I've heard before and I'm not going to believe it after seeing it as many times as I have seen it. I can't say for definite though that you've engaged in something against policy or deceptive and I don't think if you are you're doing it maliciously. If Integer wanted the role, I think he'd have had a fine chance without a nomination from a random user as the risk that there's slight deception in the request is all that puts me off. I'll note for the record though your slight change in claim from you were searching for his wiki in your reply to me just above to you found it on an unrelated search on your reply immediately above this. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  21:51, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Wait what? I never said that I searched for Ingenpedia. I said that I found it on Google in the previous claim. RONALDOFAN (talk) 21:56, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Corrected. Sorry for misreading. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  22:03, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You're opposing the user because the nominator is 'new' essentially? Any closing Steward would disregard this !vote as it is baseless on the subject of the nomination, and more the context of the nominator who you feel 'uneasy' about. You feel like they're not maliciously deceiving, and have no evidence of such, but you won't support the user until they admit deception - something you can't justify, but would probably use to justify an oppose on the nomination user for deception. I'd recommend you re-word your oppose and justify the claims in light of Integer if you wish to have your !vote considered legitimate by a Steward. John (talk) 22:20, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 1)  While I do observe that it's quite odd to see two other users from the user's own wiki to support this request, I don't really see any evidence of sock puppetry. Plus, like Dmehus said above, I would be willing to assume good faith that the three users edit fairly closely on Integer's small wiki. I think that Integer's contributions on Meta, their understanding of English as well as many other languages and their own wiki requests are satisfying enough in order to weakly support this request. Having said that, I would still have a couple questions (see above) for Integer that could persuade me to fully support this request rather than only weakly. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 21:18, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  I just see this as an innocent nomination. Integer seems nice enough so I am supporting. Waldo (talk) 23:25, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 3)  Yeah, I really don't see a need for a CheckUser to be involved here. While  has been on Miraheze for at least 2 months, a CheckUser at this time would be more of a stalemate, and would be rather superfluous and unnecessary. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 23:36, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 4)  While I do see the user is only there for 1 month, I do see his potential.   Circley  Does Extracter    ( Circley Talk  |  Global   |  Email the Cloud )  13:56, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 5)  I was going to do weak support just like Reception123, but the questions being answered (relatively) well pushes me to support. More global activity would have been nice though. --Thegreat (talk) 16:02, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 6)  I do find it great that another volunteer out of good faith is wanting to nominate a friend for wiki creator, however, I strongly disagree with Rhino's statement and here is why (A) there is nothing that says a user needs to have a certain amount of edits to be a candidate for wiki creator and I honestly think out of good faith everyone should get the opportunity to build up to the next level in there wiki experience. I do think that this is a good next step for Integer and although Rhinos and a few others are asking way more then what should be expected I would like to encourage RhinosF1 and anyone else with a abstain or oppose to possibly reconsider at least a weak support as that would seem more appropriate, and although he might disagree with this user, I do think this user has been fairly active enough to be given this role along with them knowing multiple languages I do think that would be great for handling requests that do not speak in English, and of course like I say in some request we can always use more wiki creators, but  I do  think that this user has proven themselves to understand the wiki creating policies along with being fairly active. Another thing I  wanted to mention is that I do strongly feel a checkuser is not necessary and that assuming good faith is used instead of Assuming Quickly because if we assume too fast sometimes we can often make mistakes such as blocking wrong accounts, or of course not showing good leadership or setting a good example for newcomers, and I strongly encourage that more good faith is used when requests like these occur, and last of all to wrap this all up I should I surely hope this message will make a difference to some of you, thanks for listening to this and feel free to reply to this! --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 21:26, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 7)  I think Integer will do well as a Wiki creator. BenPlenty (talk) 22:01, 27 January 2021 (UTC)


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TranslationHelper (Bot)

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 * While there are some concerns as to the lack of clarity in specific operating parameters and frequency of operation have been expressed, which haven't been specifically addressed, there's consensus, so it is ✅, to add the translation tags set out to already existing translated pages. This will be subject to any decisions made by administrators to limit functions or in case of malfunction, block the bot. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 20:42, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

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 * 1)   Have you made sure that it won't go ballistic again like it did not too long ago? --Integer  talk 14:22, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I found what I was doing wrong. Though technically, it did do what it was supposed to do. 14:29, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Awesome. In that case, I can at least somewhat support it, and if I get more confident that it works as intended, then I will better support it. <font face="Roboto" color="#65e6ce">Integer talk 14:37, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 1)  This is to confirm that R4356th operates this account. TranslationHelper (talk) 11:48, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  The bot's source code can be found on GitHub.  12:09, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 3)  The purpose of this bot account is useful, the source code is public, and parameters are fairly reasonably defined. The concerns I have are, broadly, based on need. Why not just categorize all translation subpages under the parent, English category? Other than translating some of our main categories, which include explanatory text that can be translated, I don't necessarily see a need to translate categories with no explanatory text. Secondarily, if there's no defined limits as to what categories should be marked for translation, we may have a situation wherein the bot ends up creating empty categories or categories created to hold one subpage for the given language, which leads to over-categorization. Additionally, if an administrator deletes empty categories created by the bot, what measures are in place to prevent the bot from recreating the category immediately thereafter? Dmehus (talk) 14:47, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 4) *I believe you misunderstood the bot's function. The bot will not create any categories. It will edit existing pages to add  beside  . And as for your first question regarding categories, if I am understanding it correctly, the Translate extension does not work like that. If any of your questions stay unanswered, then could you please clarify? Thank you.  15:26, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 5) **R4356th Thank you for your prompt reply. It sounds like it was a misunderstanding stemming, in part, from a lack of clarification. Nonetheless, now that you've clarified that the bot will not be creating any categories; only adding the requisite code to marked translation pages, any concerns I have, at the moment, would be minor, and not able to not be resolved with an amendment to the bot's originally approved parameters, such as with a future discussion with you as the bot operator. The first question is mainly a question of a broader nature as to our approach to categorization of non-English translation subpages, so isn't really relevant to this discussion, so we can set that aside until a future discussion occurs. The only (minor) concern I'd potentially would be the addition of wanted categories caused by the bot adding the requisite code to the given pages, and that's relatively minor given the number of wanted categories we have, and goes back to the need for a larger discussion on our categorization approach. Dmehus (talk) 15:37, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 6) ***As for your first concern, we could have a discussion regarding this on CN with the community or on Meta:AN with Meta Administrators and Translation Administrators. As for your second concern, sadly, there is no straightforward solution unless someone decides to take the time to possibly make a new system through a new template and/or Lua module. 15:43, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 7) *Adding to what I said above, administrators and translation administrators will be able to list categories that the bot should go through here if or once approved. 15:37, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 8) **R4356th Thank you. This satisfies me even more, and shows your willingness to work with the community at creating whitelist and/or blacklist pages the bot monitors in terms of what pages it monitors or skips. That's a reasonable approach. As such, I have no concerns at the moment. Dmehus (talk) 15:39, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 9)  As you can see above, proposer has given me reassurance, for which I can support this. However, I am still a little scared because of when it started making large amounts of changes very quickly, so I can't support it better. Should there be reason to trust in the (potential) bot more in the future, I will better support it. --<font face="Roboto" color="#65e6ce">Integer  talk 14:39, 20 January 2021 (UTC)


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DarkMatterMan4500 (Wiki creator)
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User: DarkMatterMan4500 ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Group: Wiki creator

Reason: Considering that I was recommended this permission 6 months ago by a Steward in any other permissions I could choose from, I've been thinking about this for a while. Of course I would like to help Miraheze in a way that everyone is welcome, given the fact that I have been here for over a year, and made myself very well known, so I'm basically ready if necessary.

Additional comments: My only concern is that there are many requested wikis having problematic issues, and even people requesting problematic or substantiated hateful wikis, which is something I should take into consideration. (For clarification, there has been recent incidents about problematic wikis.)

What would you do in the following situations? Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 20:42, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Questions
 * 1) A Public wiki that says: "Terrible Websites Wiki - a wiki that lists websites that we find horrible and explains why they're so awful"
 * 2) A private wiki that says: "Wiki for a personal project with me and my friends"?
 * 3) How about a request for a public wiki that says: "Fantasy World Wiki - We're moving away from Fandom because we prefer no ads, see our Fandom site here: x.fandom.com"?
 * 4) A public wiki that says: "Obnoxious Bloggers Wiki - a wiki that lists bloggers and explains why we think they're obnoxious and terrible people"
 * 5) A wiki that has the same topic as another wiki but says in the description "The administrators of the other wiki blocked me for no reason so I want to create my own version"

DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 20:54, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Answers
 * 1) Depends on which subject it's being talked about: However, since we're on the specifics, I would decline them and have them specify what their purposes of their wikis will be. Also, if a wiki was going to be problematic, then I'd decline it right away and tell them the reason why.
 * 2) Just like with my answer for number one, I would like to have them specify the reasons behind that to avoid problematic and/or Code of Conduct or Content policy violations.
 * 3) If the paragraph looks good enough, then I'd accept the request, but if it's not good enough, I'd have them go back and edit their request. (I have clarified what I meant below after Reception123 brought up an interesting point on both #3 and #5.)
 * 4) I'd decline that as that would be a problematic Code of Conduct/Content policy violation, as I wouldn't allow a wiki to create problems for our wiki farms.
 * 5) I'd obviously decline it as we don't need duplicate wikis, but on rare cases, I would want them to specify what their purposes of their wikis are.
 * Could you perhaps give us more details for the 3rd one, what would a paragraph that looks "good enough" and a paragraph that is "not good enough" look like to you? For the 5th one, it would rather be appropriate to check if the user has tried to mediate the situation on the main wiki. The CP says "a direct fork of another Miraheze wiki where little to no attempts have been made to mediate situations on the existing wiki or existing community" so that implies that a fork could be allowed if attempts have been made to mediate the situation and they have failed. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 06:58, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, thanks for bringing that up. I should've been more clear on #3 and #5. For number 5 (in no particular order), any forks to other wikis are indeed acceptable if all else fails, with a few exceptions along those lines. (You're right about that one.) And as for #3, I'm referring to the ones that should add 2-3 sentences in details, and by not good enough, I'm referring to people adding in very lazy writing or didn't put any thought into writing a wiki request. In other words, that wouldn't really be acceptable to accept as a wiki request. I hope that clarifies that for you, and is more clear. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 10:42, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for clarifying. That prompts me to ask an additional question. What if someone requested a private wiki and the description was "This wiki will be for the purpose of organising my personal diary"? Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 14:06, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, that would be suspicious, but assuming good-faith, I'd ask them to provide specifics making sure they aren't going to breach the Code of Conduct and/or Content policies. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 14:09, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

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 * Comments
 * Why not? I wanted to suggest this to you today - crazy, --MrJaroslavik (talk) 18:06, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Wait, you were going to suggest this to me? I mean, a user did suggest this to me earlier in September 2020, so I've been thinking about this for a few weeks, boiling down to this moment now. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 18:09, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Are we able to vote now?  Wiki JS  18:56, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can! Reception123 just asking questions before he vote on the request. HeartsDo (Talk / Global / Wiki Creator) 18:58, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I think that the user is trusted for this role, and the response on questions above is okay. HeartsDo (Talk / Global / Wiki Creator) 19:08, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Why thank you for the kind response. I'll honor that once there's more than enough votes via consensus. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 13:38, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * He seems like he knows his stuff. He does have potential, and I will be hoping to see him with the role, and he is a well known member in the community, so I believe he's trusted. His answers are fairly well. I don't see a reason why he shouldn't be a wiki creator. Wiki JS  19:15, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, and considering I've been using Miraheze since January 29th of last year, it proves my growth of knowledge is still continuing to grow, even with twists and turns at every corner. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 14:49, 15 March 2021 (UTC)


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WikiJS (Wiki creator)
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 * by requestor. Dmehus (talk) 17:45, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

User: WikiJS ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Group: Wiki creator

Reason: I would like to be a Wiki creator, as I understand the code of conduct very well, and I am good at assuming good faith. I have not broken the Code of Conduct, Dormancy Policy, and Content Policies and I have good relations with this community. I will be active while I have the user right, and I believe this job can work well with me.

Additional comments: I'm fine with any results, and I will try my hardest with the user right if I get it.

Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * Comments/Questions

I have withdrawn this request, as I believe I should get a lot more edits done, and memorize all policies, and become well known in the community. The main reason why I have withdrawn is because I have considered all opposes, and believed that I should work more on the community and then redo the vote. Wiki JS 17:43, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Know the CoC is good, but as a Wiki creator, you should also know the Content Policy, and your activity on Meta is too recent for I can decide me, so I not really inclined to support this for now, but if you want, you can reach a other wiki creators for asking to a mentorship. HeartsDo (Talk / Global / Wiki Creator) 19:24, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah 5/4 months on miraheze isn't too much, but still trying to give it a shot. Wiki JS  19:33, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * WikiJS I cancel my vote for now per a request of someone, I have maybe vote a little too fast and I have not tried to assume good-faith of this request, so I will wait (or if I have time, try to ask you some questions to you otherwise someone else will do it) and I will vote when questions was answered. HeartsDo (Talk / Global / Wiki Creator) 19:52, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Mention CoC which is not very related to WC permission, but do not mention knowledge of DP/CP is not cool, so oppose.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 19:58, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I do understand Dormant Policy, and I have read the Content Policy (Linked with HeartsDo's post).  Wiki JS  20:08, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Like I get what you're saying, like Wiki Creators should know the dormancy and content policies. Wiki JS  20:12, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Still oppose, this is not good, you should know it before request.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 18:29, 14 March 2021 (UTC)


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SoyokoAnis (Wiki creator)
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 * Unsuccessful. The prevailing consensus view here is two-fold, that (1) the user has a low amount of edits, though it's unclear if the participants are referring to global edits or Meta edits, and (2) that the user may not have sufficiently demonstrated to the community they understand and can apply Content Policy correctly in decisioning wiki requests (based mainly on their own wiki requests). The first argument really has very little to do with being a prerequisite for the wiki creator, but the latter argument is of paramount importance. This really was a good-faith request to volunteer and the requestor is thanked for wanting to volunteer. The requestor is strongly encouraged to reach out to an existing wiki creator on Discord or IRC and have them ask them a series of situation-based questions regarding mainly Content Policy and Wiki creators guide that would help to ensure a successful permissions request next time. Dmehus (talk) 17:26, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

User: SoyokoAnis ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Group: Wiki creator

Reason: Hello! I am requesting this right to help clear out the Wiki requests. I'll make sure that the requests are fufilled. I have also read the Content and Dormancy Policy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SoyokoAnis (talk • contribs) 18:05, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Additional comments:


 * Questions

Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * 1)  Hi, have you read Wiki creators' guide?  10:12, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * 2) *Yes, I have. SoyokoAnis  14:46, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Comments


 * 1)  This user has been part of the community for a month, and five days, so that's a quality, but the reason why I'm a Weak Supporter, is because of the low amount of edits by the user. Only about 70 as the time of voting. But assuming Good-faith, I think he might be a good wiki creator. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiJS (talk • contribs) 18:35, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  I think you have too few edits in Meta. I recommend that you continue with the same pattern for a few more months and only then look at it again. --Anton (talk) 18:42, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 * 3) . Very low edit count. Yahya (talk) 13:06, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * 4)  Per above and the fact that your wiki requests do not seem good enough to me.  13:36, 19 March 2021 (UTC)


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Bmoser05 (Wiki creator)
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 * Snow closing. No chance in succeeding per User close policy. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  15:58, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

User: Bmoser05 ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Group: Wiki creator

Reason: I'm going to be a good wiki creator for the community. I'm going to be following the wiki creators guide, and I'll decline and accept according to it. and I'll be a good member of the community, thank you for reading this!

Additional comments: I've read the wiki creators' guide. and I'll do everything I said I'll do! I'll decline bad requests and I'll also accept good requests, but any request Against the rules for it I'll decline, with the reasoning 'Bad wiki request, please read The Rules for wiki requests.'

Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * Comments/Questions
 * 1)  Sorry, but your account was just created less than two hours ago, you have only made this request and one edit on your apparent wiki, so I have no indication you'd understand and apply Content Policy correctly. In addition, I would note that the wiki on which you'd made contributions and which was identified as your personal wiki was requested by 1066470lcps. Is that your alternate account? If so, please do review user accounts policy. This is either a too soon or not now case. Dmehus (talk) 14:49, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  Not now. I think we can snowball this request as it feels more like hat-collecting from a new user. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 14:54, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
 * 3)  I oppose, because of all of the reasons above. You should request again when your account is about 2-ish months old, and you have a reasonable edit count on Meta, and globally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiJS (talk • contribs) 14:56, 23 March 2021 (UTC)


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Anton (sysop)
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 * Request withdrawn by user in Special:Diff/169062 Naleksuh (talk) 19:29, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

User: Anton ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Group: sysop

Reason: I have considered the application of those rights for a few weeks, and I thought that now I ask these (though admittedly can still be the case too soon). I would like to be more involved in the maintenance of jobs in Meta, because Patroller adjustments will not be terribly not here (for example, today only one, I am therefore patroller). I think the administrator has more work to do here somehow. For example, this week and last week, three / four pages have come into my eyes that should have been deleted (accidentally created by Meta or for spam). I added the Delete template, but if I had sysop, I could have deleted it right away without the template. There have also been a few blocked users (who were blocked) at this point, but here's the same reason as just now: I could have done it quickly if I had sysop. It also feels like there are a lot of wiki Creator users, and the Request queue is mostly clean due to the fast operation of Miraheze wiki creators. With maintenance work, I too would have something meaningful to do and I could be more helpful to this wiki. I have been actively involved in community for a long time, and like to take part in all decision deeds and other discussions. I point out and also give hints, for example if something is missing a signature, I tell him it should be added (this is mostly patroller work, but why not sysop as well). I am also an active (and the bureaucrat and sysop) Public Test Wiki. I think rights could benefit me and so I could improve Miraheze Meta in the best possible way! Although I'm pretty sure that I ask this too early, I still wanted to try what kind of answers I get. I will be happy to wait for answers. Thank you.

Additional comments: I don't really have any additional comments on this, thanks :)

Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * Comments/Questions
 * Sorry, I do not trust you. You have requested advanced rights (albeit informally) too many times. You are not active enough and had only 450 edits at the time of writing this. I also think that this request is premature and you still have a lot to learn. Maybe get at least a few thousand edits and re-request this after several months. 17:37, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I didn't saw situation when you needed rights and no one else was around. Also permissions on PTW means nothing.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 18:50, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately I cannot support this request at this time. Before even considering the qualifications of this candidate I will note that there are 9 administrators already on Meta and in my opinion I think considering the activity and the 'administratorial' tasks here there is not a specific need for a 10th administrator at this time. Now, if we ignore that fact I must agree with the views expressed above (though in less harsher terms) that while you have had meaningful and helpful contributions on Meta (and that is appreciated) it is not really sufficient for the role of administrator. I think final statement "Although I'm pretty sure that I ask this too early" was correct, and it is too early to think about administrator at this point in time. DeeM28 (talk) 11:16, 27 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Still others think it's too early, so the request can be closed :) I don't know or don't know how to close the request in Meta, so could someone do that? --Anton (talk) 18:53, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Anton You can add  below the section header and   at the very bottom of the request. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 18:55, 27 March 2021 (UTC)


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Suwandikevin (Wiki creator)
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 * The user's only contribution on Meta is this very request; they have also not responded to the questions asked. 1 strong oppose and no supports. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 12:54, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

User: Suwandikevin ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Group: Wiki creator

Reason: I need it for my college project

Additional comments:

Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * Comments/Questions
 * 1) Why do you need Wiki Creator for your college ?  ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  17:13, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)   Hi, could you please explain what you mean by "I need it for my college project"? Assuming you want a wiki for your college project, you can request that using Special:RequestWiki. There is no need for any special right. :)  17:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
 * 3)  the user has only two edits and the only ones are to apply for wiki creator rights. And it doesn't seem like spam at all..hoh. Where are these hatcollectors enough?--Anton (talk) 17:16, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
 * 4) Suwandikevin, did you mean to use Special:RequestWiki to request a wiki for your college project? Please advise, and then we can withdraw this request for you as cancelled and instead help to get you set up with a wiki for your project. Dmehus (talk) 17:27, 24 March 2021 (UTC)


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WikiJS (Wiki creator) - 2
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 * Withdrawn. I do agree that it may be too early for me, and that I should wait a few months until I request rights, as at this point it seems more like Hat Collecting. Wiki JS   talk  15:59, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

User: WikiJS ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Group: Wiki creator

Reason: Hello, I am WikiJS. I would like to be a Wiki Creator to help other users get their Wiki as fast as I can, while keeping their descriptions into mind. I have read the Wiki Creators' Guide, Code of Conduct, Dormancy Policy, and Content Policy. I have taken all comments in consideration, and decided this is the user right that will work best with me. I will take any, and every comment and use them as learning opportunities. I use both Discord and IRC for communicating to users.

Additional comments: Please do vote for what you think is best for the community.

Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * Comments/Questions
 * OK, but, if you will be elected, please remember that wiki requests don't have to be approved extremely fast and always consider each wiki request and ask for help/ask others/leave request to someone else if you are not sure.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 19:29, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's what I would do. Thanks for the advice. Wiki JS   talk  19:31, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Just a quick question, are you supporting, abstaining, or opposing? Wiki JS   talk  21:11, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * "OK" should be support.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 21:12, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * That's what I guessed, but it is hard when it doesn't use a template. You should vote using the, , or template to avoid confusion.  Wiki JS   talk  21:27, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I am not obliged to use these templates. "You should" - where it is said?--MrJaroslavik (talk) 21:29, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * You don't have to, I mean it is a preference to most users, but it is true that you are not obliged to use those templates. Wiki JS   talk  21:44, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * User has canvassed their own RfP on Discord, therefore I don't trust that they do understand policies that are put in place. --Zppix (Meta &#124; talk to me) 00:55, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't know that you understand the policies enough to be a trusted wiki creator right now. Also, this is your second request in under a month, I don't think that's time enough to completely learn all relevant policies. 01:01, 10 April 2021 (UTC) ］ |
 * per the above comments. Also, when you make requests like this, you should be patient and wait for more input instead of asking people to comment (in this case on Discord) just hours after you make the initial request, as some people might take it as you trying to influence other's decisions. Joritochip (talk) 01:15, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I am inclined to repeat what I said here. I agree with everything that has been said against you above. You seem to be very impatient and requesting these rights for the sack of requesting rights, not with any intention of helping. This diff is alarming as well. I also think there is not much need for more Wiki Creators at the moment as the response time has greatly improved. Honestly, if there was no support comment here, I would had closed this request per the UCP. 08:16, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * R4356th I'm curious, what is so alarming about the diff you linked? The user says they've not broken the Code of Conduct and appeared to understood our Content Policy and Dormancy Policy. While I don't have a position on this particular candidacy, it's interesting that the candidate has now requested wiki creator twice, and in both instances, no one has taken them up on their understanding of the crucial Content Policy (Dormancy Policy is really a nice to know for wiki creators, whereas it's a must know for stewards and system administrators) by asking them a couple questions to test their Content Policy knowledge. Dmehus (talk) 13:43, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * That edit came after this, which makes me doubt if WikiJS actually knew that knowing the CP is a requirement for Wiki Creators. That is why I have not asked them any questions. Besides, they are jumping into things way too fast and that is not good. 14:48, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but this is too soon for you. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 13:27, 10 April 2021 (UTC)


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Dmehus - Revocation of Sysop Rights
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 * Closed as unsuccessful. Despite various users supporting the revocation, there are also various users opposing this revocation. Although Dmehus can keep the sysop rights, I ask them to take note of the comments made. Southparkfan (talk) 18:31, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

User: Dmehus ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Group: Sysop

Reason: Dmehus has recently done questionable things as a Meta administrator and a Steward. He has violated the User close policy in this revision by closing an RfGR invoking the policy despite the policy clearly stating that it should only be invoked by "trusted but, non-privileged, users" (emphasis mine). It should also be noted that Dmehus closed the request before a question left on the request was answered. When I asked about this on his talk page, he said that he is also an Autoconfirmed user here on Meta. This shows that Dmehus does not care about or never bothered to properly read the policy which prohibits privileged users (in this case, Stewards) from closing RfPs or RfGRs invoking the policy. He also removed two comments from an RfP just yesterday (which I reverted). It appears that Dmehus has become very very arrogant and thinks his and his closest allies' (Why do I bring in allies? It is because he left RhinosF1's comment untouched and I was personally attacked by RhinosF1 on Dmehus's talk page) opinions are much more important than anyone else's. I think that it is now self-evident that there is no or very little compelling reason to let him continue to be a Meta admin (or even a Steward, if that wouldn't come with its own side-effects like slow responses on matters that can only be handled by Stewards). 16:11, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Additional comments: Reading what I wrote above, I do not believe I have been able to properly mention all the problems with Dmehus so I request anyone reading this to read this RfS. I also think it is worth mentioning that Dmehus globally blocked an IP address that meaningfully added to the discussion invoking the NOP while it is very obvious that there was a strong conflict of interest here. I could go on and on pointing out more about what Dmehus has done in the recent months. I believe this would had been better as an RfS but as I mentioned above, unfortunately, revoking Dmehus's Steward right would mean that there would be delay in responding to user requests that only Stewards can handle. Perhaps, I could make an RfC to deal with that in a better way, proposing limiting his actions but I currently do not have the time to do that and think that an interim solution would be revoking Dmehus's admin right here on Meta so that he cools down and hopefully gets back into editing and behaving in the way he was before getting elected as a Steward. The Dmehus present on-wiki and on other platforms is clearly not the Dmehus whom the community chose to trust with Sysop rights long ago and with Steward rights three months ago. I would be happy to see Dmehus back to editing and helping out users in the way he once used to. Having said all that, I wonder how I am going to be harassed after I save this edit, which has been happening a lot lately. 16:11, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * Comments/Questions
 * 1)  as proposer.  16:38, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * 2) Yes,
 * He is editing user pages of other users -
 * He is editing archives after renames -
 * He often acts in cases where he is involved.
 * He referring to rules without thinking about other aspects.
 * He doing tasks while what he "just don't want to break anything" - for example
 * He editing posts of other users - for example
 * He doing oversight without request every time that some IP comment something, without request.
 * He doing CheckUser very often, see user rights log, sometimes leaving CU permissions for few days.
 * He doing revdels without need - see and those with perms
 * In revocation request about him he opposed this request about myself - bizzare and (globally) blocked IP that commented on this request, while there is NOP policy, this was unprecedented action, he really doesn't adress COI at all, see also support section in revocation request.
 * His bullying really isn't something that should be in this project - for example
 * and RfGR incident mentioned above is another bizzare thing...
 * and finally, he is very good in wikipedia:WP:LISTEN
 * For every one of those reasons I am voting for a full revocation of rights from Dmehus until he will adress all concerns.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 17:14, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * For "you should engage with him" peoples - no no no, when you trying to point out some issue (doesn't matter where), the result will be some long comment, where he refers to some WP policy, AGF, or some excuses, etc but without any result or self-reflection. Waste of time. That's fact.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 19:15, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I would also like to point out that, although I mentioned the RFGR incident in my comment, this does not mean that this is the only concern that exists and should be addressed. RFGR incident is, say, a mini-concern, unlike many others. I guess R4356th didn't mention more concerns because, for example, he didn't want his comment to be long or didn't want to sound biased. There are many other concerns that should be adressed,--MrJaroslavik (talk) 20:53, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * (Update 1.4.2021) So before this will be closed as unsuccesfull, i would like mention few things. There really isn't a personal problem with User:Dmehus. I do not know him as person, only as wiki user. This transfer of the problem to the personal level with sentence "You seem to have a personal animosity toward me.." is embarrassing and undignified. Whenever I tried to reach him via DM or something similar, also on discord server about my concerns, he replied to me with an excuse or a some Wikipedia Policy. So don't be surprised that some users (me included) don't want to reach him in DMs or get DMs by him, because it's unnecessary and demotivating. Another problem is its creation of its own policies, which it pretends to be official policies or established processes. He doesn't adress COI and similar things. He doesn't listen concerns of other users, or better, ignores them. But those who do not want to see these absolutely objective issues will not see them.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 15:06, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
 * (Update 9.4.2021) I forgot mention this incident - One from active users created page Users, about 10 minutes after, Dmehus deleted that page, with reason "I'm working on a draft of this page, so redeleting until that's finished" (log)- i don't think this behavior is fair. Also when i tried "engage with him", he ignored my message, so what you everyone want?--MrJaroslavik (talk) 19:04, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * MrJaroslavik Regarding the first point, that's long been accepted since I arrived, and indeed, many if not all of those users thanked me for those edits. Users appreciate my WikiGnoming. Regarding your second point, the idea here is that when the user is renamed, the wikilinks point to a non-existent user, which will add to confusion should another user register that username. It's a minor edit that does not meaningfully change the discussion; in fact, it improves it. Regarding your third point, hrm? Regarding, your fourth point, again, hrm? Regarding your fifth point, depending on the edit, I will just say that my Thanks log is validation for users appreciating my WikiGnoming. Your sixth point, that's simply not correct. Miraheze take users' privacy seriously where it's clear a user has likely edited while logged out, so convention is to oversight the revisions rather than revision delete. In the past, revision deletion is sub-optimal, and may actually be worse as it hides the revision that should be oversighted. It was done historically when Stewards were less active. Doing CheckUser too often? How so? Spam only accounts are a huge problem on Miraheze, and there's a lot of abuse. Regarding your other points, I don't even know what you're referring to, and the bullying reference is simply not accurate. Dmehus (talk) 17:26, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I think a good way forward from this point would be if you explained clearly for both R4356th and MrJaroslavik the reasoning behind why you wanted to clearly state the request was closed in accordance to User close policy, rather than simply closing the request in the rightful capacity as a Steward, and explaining why you closed it. Further, it would be interesting to gain an insight over why you didn't ask the user if they wished to withdraw the request? Seeing as your prior actions suggest this is usually something you do. From an administrative point, it would be useful for you to confirm that I have spoken to you previously around editing other users comments. I feel wider, there is a problem with discussing problems (on both sides of the argument) which need to be addressed - this is notably the 2nd revocation request raised for you in 2021. My strong recommendation would be to reach out to both users either in public or private to discuss the problem and listen to then - and not come back citing some Wikipedia policy (which I do note you have done with myself numerous times), but rather accept other view points unless there is a relevant policy or discussion on Miraheze which justifies the action as being 'established'. FYI in response to 'Users appreciate my WikiGnoming' can be contested seeing as at least 5 users (including myself) do not appreciate it - with the ongoing attitude to this problem being raised being 'other users disagree' is not helpful to resolving a disagreement and might just be why this is the second revocation request for you this year. John (talk) 18:38, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * John Thank you for the comments. Regarding User close policy, I would just note that I was preparing a further response to R4356th yesterday in discussion on my user talk page, which I've now ✅. Regarding being willing to engage with R4356th, MrJaroslavik, and any other community members, I am absolutely willing to do this. In particular, notably, I have direct messaged MrJaroslavik on Discord on January 28th, 2021, regarding a comment he made and a question he asked in a Discord channel of the Miraheze Discord server, and have yet to receive a response my reply and willingness to engage. I have also separately addressed concerns in the  general, but have not received further responses. I'm happy to engage further and address any outstanding concerns. Regarding editing other users' comments, I would just note that an equal if not greater number of users have, privately or publicly, appreciated my minor editing. Some edits, as admitted to you, have not mean what one would consider minor, and I think I've made improvement in this area, limiting edits mainly to minor punctuation, formatting, and wikilink target corrections. Hope that clarifies. Dmehus (talk) 18:52, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I note that you've added this reply to your existing reply, after other responses from other users had already been added, which increases confusion in terms of what the other users were replying to. In any case, I don't see how engagement, private or public, is ever a "waste of time." You seem to have a personal animosity toward me, dating back to August or September, when I deleted some duplicate voting templates you had created following a request from Universal Omega, and I've been trying, for nearly as long, to find out what exactly your issue(s) with me as a person are. Dmehus (talk) 19:21, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * "I guess R4356th didn't mention more concerns because, for example, he didn't want his comment to be long or didn't want to sound biased." Yes, I just mentioned a few on-wiki issues for that reason. I excluded incidents on Discord. 06:41, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * "Bullying". In my opinion, that is not bullying. Sure, it was slightly rude, but not bullying. Wiki JS   talk  16:18, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Here is the issue, you're voting for a full userright removal, although you haven't expressed the issues with dmehus himself. This feels like a bias against dmehus. You just assume that he will just bring a Wikipedia Policy, although you can just try. It really, really angers me that you would request a full rights revocation for a Miraheze Member that has helped users, including me, with problems that we had on meta, or on a wiki we manage. Wiki JS   talk  16:39, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 1)  I understand that some people have issues with some things that Dmehus has done, and I will admit that it is true that his methods are different. However, I feel that the issues identified and the way in which this request was formulated (in quite bad faith and impulsively) is not enough to warrant revoking administrator. First of all the issue of the User close policy. The issue is one of interpretation, and the truth is that the policy is not very clear on the matter. I would disagree with the statement that the policy "prohibits" priviledged users from closing per the policy. Why would that be the case? What is the rationale for that? And, even if it did I do not feel that closing per that policy as opposed to closing as Steward would be such a serious transgression to require immediate removal. Second, there is the point regarding RhinosF1. I don't quite understand how this is being considered a personal attack. RhinosF1 simply stated that in order to change the policy there would need to be an RfC. I really don't see how that can be seen as a personal attack, and I'm completely confident that even if it may appear to you as one RhinosF1 did not mean it in that way at all. I also don't understand why people who agree with Dmehus' perspective are being called his "allies". People are allowed to have their own opinions and simply agreeing with another person on a matter (like the UCP) does not make one their "ally". Thirdly, in response to the point proposing to limit actions, I believe that limiting any Steward's action is incompatible with their role: either they are a Steward or they are not, there cannot be an in between. Finally, I honestly don't understand why there has to be so much drama and why it is not possible to conduct reasonable and sensible discussions rather than everything becoming so heated and personal. Maybe I'm wrong but I have yet to seen a sensible discussion about a specific matter that doesn't include people mentioning other past issues or making it very dramatic. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 17:56, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  I believe a lot of the factors mentioned are subjective, especially the User close policy. And I personally don't understand how agreeing with Dmehus makes someone his ally (if I disagree with him, am I his rival now?). And I don't think RhinosF1 is making a personal attack, lol. Reminds me of how Amanda Catherine took issue with Rhinos for simply commenting something like "do something about it?".  &mdash;Lakelimbo (talk)&emsp; 18:39, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * 3) * "I believe a lot of the factors mentioned are subjective, especially the User close policy." Well, Dmehus violated the policy; I do not get what is "subjective" here. "And I personally don't understand how agreeing with Dmehus makes someone his ally" I admit that it was a bad choice of words and has led to confusion (cc ). I meant that there are people who apparently blindly support him and come off personally attacking anyone who oppose Dmehus. I do not like to think of them as my "rivals", rather I would like to be friends with them but it unfortunately does not appear that they are interested in it. 12:25, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * 4) I personally have not made up my mind yet. While the things laid out by both R4356th and MrJaroslavik are no doubt problematic, most of the diffs seem to be rather old. I have asked Dmehus to stop doing this stuff in the past, so if it is not actively continuing, then where is the problem? We have all made mistakes in the past. That said, this one and this one are startingly recently, and alarming in the content as well, which is somewhat stopping me from opposing at this time. I am curious if the nominator has any thoughts about it or anything that can convince me to change my mind from one way to the other. Naleksuh (talk) 18:49, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Huh, he was asked many times to not make for example nonsencial edits in archives (is not mentioned in my comment because i forgot) or to not edit archives after user renames. Still doing this.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 19:00, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * A fresh example - In my comment I somehow mentioned that it is not appropriate to vote in the request about myself. And what happened? Special:Diff/168666,--MrJaroslavik (talk) 20:29, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Just a quick note, I'm not really aware of there being a stipulation not to vote for yourself, and it has been done in the past (albeit as a support). Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 21:02, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but by this logic it would lose its meaning about editing of others posts or for example edits after user renames, because it is not forbidden by the policies. But it's not just about the policies,--MrJaroslavik (talk) 21:24, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * "(albeit as a support)" Support != Oppose. Regards. 07:06, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * "most of the diffs seem to be rather old" - it would be helpful if you could please provide some examples. Thank you. 07:12, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) (edit conflict)  It looks like the problem in this case seems to be the User close policy which I proposed at the end of 2019 so I will explain my original reasoning. The reason behind the policy was that there were a large number of premature requests for functions such as Steward and the way that I understood it was that under the conventions only Stewards were 'allowed' to close any request. I thought that it would save people's time if sensible users were also able to close requests without Steward intervention if they were clearly not going to lead to a positive result as they were "NOTNOW" requests. I did not think that a Steward would ever apply this policy, since Stewards by their nature are allowed to close any requests as long as they follow the policies in place, or if they do not exist their common sense. My interpretation is therefore that there is no need for Stewards to use this policy to justify their closes. That being said however I think it is an innocent interpretation of the policy and this interpretation is no reason on its own to be revoked. On the point about the actions of RhinosF1 I agree with what was said above and am unable to see how it constitutes a personal attack towards the creator of this revocation proposal. I also wish simply to say that I do not think people's user pages should be edited without their explicit consent before the edit occurs or if there is a good reason (i.e. if they say they are administrator but no longer are). Finally, my general opinion is that some of the issues being raised are legitimate and some of the actions taken by Dmehus are unusual but this to me is not enough for a revocation and instead can be discussed with Dmehus. The reason for my oppose being weak is that I think it would be in everyone's interest if the issues that come up are seriously discussed and solutions are found, as was proposed above. I conclude by saying that I really do appreciate Dmehus' work and dedication here and my vote is in no way meant to be of any discouragement to him. DeeM28 (talk) 18:53, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * 2) *DeeM28 I do agree that my editing other users' user pages is a bit bold, but they've all been done in good-faith and with constructive intentions in mind. To the best of my recollection, none of the edits have been reverted, though it wouldn't bother me if they reverted the change as that is absolutely their right to do so. While I think the edits have been helpful, I'm happy to cease editing others' user pages going forward, notwithstanding the usual exceptions (such as, for example, updating template transclusions on merged templates). I'm happy to address any other concerns you may have on either my user talk page, your user talk page, via e-mail, or through whichever channel you prefer. Dmehus (talk) 19:03, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * 3) ** Thank you for your response, I am satisfied that you will learn from this request and the concerns that have been said which in my view could have also worked equally well if it took the form of a note on your talk page instead of a hasty revocation request. DeeM28 (talk) 11:19, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * 4) Oppose as premature and per the above comments from other users. Indeed, in that reply, I noted that User close policy does not specifically preclude other users who happen to be a Steward from closing the request early. Perhaps the policy could use some minor amendments to clarify whether the user groups are mutually exclusive or not, and that would be an appropriate way to handle this, in my view. With regard to this edit with requestor mentions, that was an edit conflict resulting from a loss of session data, and I was not advised of the edit conflict as I normally would have been, which I answered at the requestor's user talk page and which the requestor acknowledged. If the concern is regarding removing blank permissions requests, I would just note that I provided an edit summary to the requestor, and the requestor subsequently added a new request, filling in the fields correctly and around which the User close policy-based close argument is based. I would just add that the requestor also has removed blank or malformed permissions requests. Personally, I don't see that as particularly problematic, and other users have followed this practice as well. However, I do concede this may not be a universally shared view, so perhaps this seems like an argument for drafting a guideline or, perhaps, proposing a Meta policy for discussion that seeks to clarify when permissions should be removed and when they should be closed per User close policy, common sense, or other applicable policies. With regard to the requestor's perception of RhinosF1's response as a personal attack, I do agree it was a bit direct, but I personally didn't view it as either (a) a personal attack or (b) aggressive, so that's why I didn't intervene. Again, I feel like it would've been better for the requestor to have approached RhinosF1 on their user talk page or privately on Discord or IRC. Perhaps we could also do well to have a guideline, discussed on the companion talk page, that seeks to clarify when it is appropriate editing of others' comments, and I'd happily support that approach. To me, this feels quite premature, since the active discussion at my user talk page had yet to conclude. Dmehus (talk) 20:15, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Is a steward non privileged? Based on my request earlier for you to justify the reasoning, my understanding is you chose not to be a steward in executing a steward duty and instead wanted to use a policy designed explicitly at non privileged users, of which a steward is not. The policy is poor, yes, but it does explicitly say ‘non privileged’. I did ask a rather explicit question earlier in regards to justification and my understanding from the reply seems to be ‘I closed it as a user and not as a steward because I didn’t want to close it as a steward’ which is weird - so to ask the question even more explicit now - why did you chose to close a permissions request as a community user when you fulfil the exact role which bears responsibility for closing that request? John (talk) 21:36, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * John, thanks for the question. I do agree that the User close policy could use a discussion to clarify certain aspects or refinement of the wording to make it more clear, but to provide some context into why I opted to close per User close policy, Reception123 and I had been discussing the permission request in question on IRC, and I asked about closing it in accordance with User close policy, as it was quite clear the request fit the bill for early closure. At the time, I didn't give much thought as to whether a Steward was permitted to close a request early on the same basis as User close policy, and had thought that it was generally preferred for early closures to be handled in accordance with User close policy (in my case, as an eligible community user). It seems no one objected to the early closure, but rather that it was closed by me per User close policy rather than as a Steward. Though I still believe that the policy is a bit ambiguously worded and could use clarification, I do concede that this was an oversight on my part in that I should've looked more closely again into User close policy and perhaps even asked for a third opinion. Going forward, when closing global permissions requests requiring a community election (i.e., wiki creator, interwiki administrator, Global Sysop, or Steward), whether early in the same spirit as Meta:UCP was written or in accordance with the applicable policy, I will ensure that I close such requests as a Steward, and not as a community user. Dmehus (talk) 21:32, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * "It seems no one objected to the early closure,..." - No? And what is "It should also be noted that Dmehus closed the request before a question left on the request was answered."?,--MrJaroslavik (talk) 21:44, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * "Oppose" as mentioned above by MrJaroslavik, this is a weird comment as someone who is not willing to resign would obviously oppose this type of a proposal. If I were on your place and were not moved by the arguments, I would rather put it as a normal comment. "Perhaps the policy could use some minor amendments to clarify whether the user groups are mutually exclusive or not, and that would be an appropriate way to handle this" Why? It already mentions "but, non-privileged". "With regard to this edit with requestor mentions, that was an edit conflict resulting from a loss of session data... which I answered at the requestor's user talk page and which the requestor acknowledged." Why couldn't you revert the edit in that case? Also, you never mentioned that the removal of comments was due to an edit conflict. "If the concern is regarding removing blank permissions requests..." Where does this come from? "With regard to the requestor's perception of RhinosF1's response" That kind of behaviour is unacceptable from a member of the CoCC, IMHO. "To me, this feels quite premature, since the active discussion at my user talk page had yet to conclude." This proposal has not been created solely on the basis of that incident. 13:10, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * 1)  Deja vu once again. Like I said in my previous statement regarding another user wanting revocation of Dmehus's permissions, I feel like you are being too bite-y towards this user all because of something that should've easily been resolved. I'm sorry, but I'm strongly opposing this unnecessary proposal, as this is just a waste of not only my time, but yours and the entire community. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 20:35, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * There are numerous problems that can be solved easily, but perhaps the issue can be interpreted as not wanting to engage in a dead end process with the user in question? This isn’t a waste of people’s time, it shows a categorical attempt to resolve problems with little avail. I haven’t opened a revocation request but I can see why people might want to, to label other people’s concern as being a waste of time is the problem, not a solution. John (talk) 21:36, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * True, but I've noticed some quarreling on the  channel on Discord between the requester and Doug in question. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 21:42, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I have done the same with Doug on numerous occasions, it doesn’t invalidate their opinions or wish to air frustration. John (talk) 21:43, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I do understand why people would mostly be concerned about Doug, but I've seen a similar revocation attempt last month, making this very predictable. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 21:45, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * That is because concerns raised last time have still gone unaddressed. John (talk) 21:47, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * You do not take into that the doug has not changed his behavior and works according to the same pattern, regardless of the concerns expressed (in RfS),--MrJaroslavik (talk) 21:48, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * MrJaroslavik Hrm, how is that? Since John spoke with me regarding not making material changes to users' comments, I've not done that. Moreover, despite my attempting to engage with you on how updating wikilinks point to the renamed user's user/user talk pages to find out how that is problematic in your view by inviting you to engage in a discussion on my user talk page or on Discord and IRC, you've not done that. Dmehus (talk) 21:53, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, watch me destroy every single point made in this pointless proposal. Now, let's start off with how Dmehus was only updating Zppix's status that he currently has. Now tell me, how does this relate to what he's been doing this month? I get that he said that he has autoconfirmed, but this is no different to how a battlefield was created between you and Doug, to the point where I had to intervene. Given your history of you and 's quarreling with him just takes away credibility, let alone even plausibility of having to have his rights revoked. And the fact this proposal was made over a user close policy sounds extremely silly to the point where it becomes disruptive. Seriously, if I had to write an essay of how boring and predictable this proposal is, I would've aced it with flying colors. That aside, this is another perfect example of a disruptive proposal against a Steward just for doing things differently. Not only do I find this to be extremely biased (more so than the wikis I've been going on a lot), but also downright moot at best, and malicious at its worst. Now to conclude this comment, the requester isn't any better than considering my point against him (the requester in question), to be valid, and rightfully so. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 21:40, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * "Now, let's start off with how Dmehus was only updating Zppix's status that he currently has." While I did not raise this concern above, let me express my views. I reported that revision using the Report tool as I found it inappropriate for Dmehus to edit Zppix's user page without any discussion. Why couldn't he just request Zppix to do that and give him some time? If Zppix did not respond within a reasonable amount of time, say a week, for whatever reason, sure, I wouldn't have any problem. I shall respond to your other points soon. 07:53, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, he should've waited and asked for his permission here. But the problem rises when you keep entering conflicts with him, and not exercising the right approach on how to handle single-issued issues, while at the same time, inappropriately making it here. No offense here, but not everyone in this community will share the exact same views as you. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 09:58, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * "Yeah, he should've waited and asked for his permission here." Guess than I "destroy[ed]" your "pointless" comment? (This is my response to your uncivil comment. Please be respectful towards everyone of every opinion.) 10:08, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * True to form, I was being civil the whole time, expressing my concerns about this request with concerns about one's actions. The fact still remains that Dmehus has been very helpful in many instances before, and I really got nothing against expressing it freely. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 11:04, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Please note that I will not make anymore further comments here as this chain has gone nowhere, and to avoid possible heated arguments in the process. In addition, this is pretty much a losing fight here, so let's refrain from commenting any further from this comment thread of mine. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 11:27, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * "I get that he said that he has autoconfirmed" Just for clarification and help of the closing bureaucrat, do you partially agree here? "this is no different to how a battlefield was created between you and Doug, to the point where I had to intervene" I do not get how you "had to intervene" as you replied half an hour after the conversation died. Also, I do not get what "how a battlefield was created between you and Doug" is supposed to mean. I immediately took my message back after sending that which Doug replied to from IRC despite being on Discord at the time and probably noticing me deleting the message. Furthermore, he lied about me messaging him in DMs, which I can prove with evidence, if deemed necessary. Just to clarify in short (and I repeat that I can provide evidence), I blocked Doug on Discord immediately after he sent a direct message to me that is unrelated to this discussion (but I knew that he was certainly going to change the topic very soon which is why I blocked him) which meant that I couldn't message him just as he couldn't message me. Thanks. 10:33, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * R4356th I would just like to point out that when I replied in when I replied, from IRC, to your message, "Also, let me truly express my anger, don't you think it is a bad timing? :face_with_raised_eyebrow:", I was in IRC and hadn't even reviewed the   channel on Discord. I saw later in the day that you'd deleted the message on Discord. To your point about me "lying" about what you said in a direct message to me, for greater clarity, it would help to add what I said in the #cvt channel, which was, "I prefer to look past anything you may be upset with me about, even if that is still sometimes a difficult thing to do, but nevertheless, you've expressed your view above in reply to DarkMatterMan4500, so that should be all that's needed." I wasn't saying you expressed a view regarding that wiki to me in a DM; I said you've already nonetheless expressed a view...I was just looking for you to expand on that. For context, the view you expressed to DarkMatterMan4500 was, "dmehus and @DarkMatterMan4500, I think it's time to "take remedial actions by Stewards" for yf2kwiki. I did not expect this type of content when I approved the wiki in Special:RequestWikiQueue/17271." I am reviewing that wiki, once I finish reviewing another couple of wikis with even more serious Content Policy concerns, and will be discussing with existing Stewards my thoughts on those. Hope that clarifies. Dmehus (talk) 13:05, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * "And the fact this proposal was made over a user close policy sounds extremely silly to the point where it becomes disruptive." Have you actually read the entire proposal? The UCP is just one of the reasons behind making this proposal. "That aside, this is another perfect example of a disruptive proposal against a Steward just for doing things differently." This is by no means a case of IDHT disruptive editing; anyone in the community is allowed to make a proposal regarding anyone. "Now to conclude this comment, the requester isn't any better than Dmehus considering my point against him (the requester in question), to be valid, and rightfully so." I very strongly appreciate constructive criticism but this is not constructive. Please do feel free to formally raise your concerns in the form of an RfP, an RfC or whatever you think is appropriate. If you want, you may also reach out to me on my talk page or via Discord DM or email. I would really appreciate that.  10:50, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * "I feel like you are being too bite-y towards this user" - could you please elaborate? "this is just a waste of not only my time, but yours and the entire community" - I concur with John here. "That is because concerns raised last time have still gone unaddressed." "You do not take into that the doug has not changed his behavior and works according to the same pattern, regardless of the concerns expressed (in RfS)" Yes, exactly. 10:06, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * While you aren't wrong that some of his actions are strange indeed, the thing is, what I've seen from both you and him feels like I'm watching little kids arguing on the playground instead of an actual discussion regarding your points. Now as for the argument you had with him, you said it on the   channel rather than to discuss it in private. Trust me, nobody wants to see an unnecessary fight between anyone. As for reaching out to you, perhaps I could express my concern on either of what you mentioned at any time. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 10:58, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) Undeniably, the evidence and diffs of Dmehus operation (at least edit the archives, etc.) are strange, but Dmehus is still an extremely important Miraheze user in every sense! I haven’t read these discussions in more detail, but I want Dmehus to be the administrator here. He is skillful and helps in the best way possible, whether the habits are weird or not. --Anton (talk) 10:16, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * 2) I concur with the point above, he has helped the Miraheze community majorly.  Wiki JS   talk  12:18, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * 3) I have worked with Dmehus a fair amount, and I have never seen him to anything that would necessitate the removal of rights. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 16:17, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * 4) I looked at the links and I am concerned about what they tell me. RockFood (talk) 04:37, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
 * 5) All things was said, but I think that Dmehus should address all concerns if he don't want to have a new revocation request in the next months. HeartsDo (Talk / Global / Wiki Creator) 15:01, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 6) Though, as pointed out in others' comments, Dmehus has faults, we're all only human. Everyone makes mistakes, and everyone is capable of improving and fixing what errors they may have made. Dmehus has been very helpful not just here on Meta, but on other platforms like IRC and Phabricator. He is a major contribution to the community, and Miraheze would be losing something big if he were to be taken from this position which he has done a lot of things to help our wikis thrive in. Turtle84375 (talk) 19:07, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 7) per nom, I believe he is starting to now express the same exact behaviour he had be blocked for in the past on English Wikipedia. Note to those who will undoubtedly bring this up, I didn't specifically come here to comment on this request, in fact, I wasn't even aware it existed until I saw it on RC. Zppix (Meta &#124; talk to me) 19:41, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 8) * I keep seeing comments about how Doug has done this or that for the community... just because you can be helpful, doesn't mean you can't still violate various policies, guidelines, and such. --Zppix (Meta &#124; talk to me) 19:59, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 9) A few of the points mentioned in the original request and by supporters of the revocation are rather alarming to me; however, the majority of the points that have been brought up by other users are, in my eyes, not worthy enough to constitute a complete removal of Dmehus's sysop rights (yet) . Although I have not known Dmehus for too long, it is clear that all of actions are done in an attempt to be helpful, and he is by far one of the most active users on Meta and across Miraheze as a whole from what I have seen in my short time being active here. Despite my opposition, I believe Dmehus should consider this request a final warning and should also improve his behavior based on the criticism that he has received here. I am not too concerned about his editing of links following a global rename, but other unnecessary edits to user pages, archives, and talk pages should be done with the consent of any relevant users before the edit occurs. Joritochip (talk) 20:58, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 10) *I would like to add that I was unaware of Dmehus's block on the English Wikipedia, brought up by Zppix in the previous comment, before I wrote my comment. After giving it a brief look, Dmehus still seems to exhibit similar behaviors to what led to his block on Wikipedia, but I cannot comment further because I do not know the full situation there. As I said in my original comment here, Dmehus should improve his behavior based on the criticism he has received here, and on Wikipedia. As it stands, I still do not think Dmehus's actions require a removal of rights, yet. Joritochip (talk) 21:07, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 11) Replying to all the comments above at once. Many users think I am biased, which they are allowed to. I just do not agree with it. I really think Dmehus is still helpful in some ways. It is just him editing disruptively and refusing to get the point, causing a huge amount of drama in the community, acting in cases of conflict of interest like it ain't a thing, finding more and more hats to wear, disrespecting others' opinions, refusing to acknowledge his mistakes, saying policies "could use an update" after violating a policy etc. that have led me to making this proposal. I have tried raising my concerns with him before but those have not been satisfactory (I think this statement answers the concerns regarding me making this RfP "without express[ing] the issues with him".). Making "a hasty revocation request" is not something I have done as my first choice. I have tried going through "sensible discussion[s]" but the outcome has not been satisfactory and in several cases, Dmehus has avoided replying to them till he needed something from me. It has been mentioned that me and MrJaroslavik have a "history of quarreling with him". I am confused as to where that comes from. Yes, I have edit-warred with him once in the very page this discussion is happening but that has been purely with the intention of enforcing a policy/convention. There are comments that essentially boil down to "never seen him [d]o anything that would necessitate the removal of rights". That is why evidence has been provided! shrugs "Everyone makes mistakes, and everyone is capable of improving" - yes, I very strongly believe in this. However I think Dmehus has been given a lot of chances already and a revocation of his rights even if partially is important to make him realise his mistakes. "Dmehus has been very helpful not just here on Meta, but on other platforms like IRC and Phabricator" Since IRC and Phabricator are being brought up, I am bringing my concerns about his behaviour on those platforms here now. Dmehus voiced (or maybe opped?, I cannot exactly remember right now) in a channel that was not supposed to have anyone voiced (or opped, again). How is that not power abuse? He is getting himself a new hat using his power as a global op on IRC in the #miraheze namespace. On Phabricator, he awards a lot of like tokens, essentially for every task that gets completed. This sends people unnecessary notifications and floods the Phabricator activity feed making it harder to navigate. He also makes comments on GitHub pull requests without fully understanding what is going on. While I am not a Sysadmin, as a member of the MH community, I want to be able to follow the technical activities and so this behaviour is unhelpful to me. (Admittedly, his behaviour on GitHub is not too much unhelpful for me.) Now to prove the validity of the claims I made in the beginning, cases of disruptive editing and refusing to get the point can be found in this very discussion, Dmehus caused drama in private channels (judging by the public discussion on IRC) of Discord which caused Sysadmins to leave the Discord server. Now, because of that incident, there is only one System Administrator who is active in the server. Evidence of Dmehus acting in cases of COI, disrespecting others' opinion and refusing to acknowledge his mistakes have been linked in the reason section of this RfP. The IRC incident I mentioned earlier (Dmehus voicing or opping without any need) is an example of him finding more and more hats to wear. I have not mentioned so many things because it would take me more than a whole day to mention them all. (Sorry for any silly grammatical or spelling mistakes in this big wall of text in advance.) 20:54, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 12) *I understand your concerns and as far as my comments are concerned I did not say that I think Dmehus is perfect and has not made mistakes; he has. My issue is that while you say you have raised these concerns of him, this fact is not accessible to us as it has been done via private means of communication. The problem with this is that it is hearsay, it is clear that you and him are not on the same page regarding this communication. What are we (the community) to say about this? Who are we to believe? I think that if you want to be able to claim that you have raised concerns with him and he has not responded you should raise these concerns publicly on his talk page in order for the community to view his response and make up our own minds about whether he is addressing your concerns. Maybe this has happened already but I have not seen prior to this revocation request attempts to raise concerns with Dmehus publicly. Finally, my main point was that in my humble opinion the downsides related to Dmehus being revoked are larger than the benefits (if that can be said) of him no longer being administrator. I think (and hope) that Dmehus will learn from this revocation request and will not repeat his mistakes. If I notice that he does not learn from this request then I will be open to supporting a prospective new revocation request. It is clear that this revocation is not going to pass so I believe that instead of continuing to advocate for it you should wait to see if Dmehus' behavior has changed following this request and if you have any concerns with his actions should express them publicly for the seasons I mention above. DeeM28 (talk) 17:50, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 13) **Let me get this straight, you are saying just because there are downsides to his rights being revoked, he should be allowed to continue to have a disregard to policy, and continue his current behaviour? Am I understanding you correctly? Zppix (Meta &#124; talk to me) 18:43, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 14) ***No that is not what I said at all. I quote "If I notice that he does not learn from this request then I will be open to supporting a prospective new revocation request." I am saying that I believe he deserves another chance to prove that he can learn from this revocation request and while people say that they have tried to raise concerns with him this has all happened behind closed doors and not on this wiki where the community could make up their mind about his response. DeeM28 (talk) 20:16, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 15) ****Dmehus has already been given chances. He has caused a lot of drama and still has not improved his conduct. It has been 17 days since this proposal has been created and he is yet to improve his conduct. He has opposed this request without properly responding to my points. 10:55, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 16) *****I am also well aware of the obvious fact that this proposal will fail due to the tyranny of the majority. Though in all fairness, this discussion should not be closed yet as all concerns have not been acknowledged. 11:10, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 17) ******I was hoping that Dmehus would have a chance to demonstrate to the users who supported this request (and even the ones who opposed it but expressed some concerns regarding some of his actions, including myself) that he has taken these comments into account and will keep them in his mind. I propose that since the issue seems to be that you believe he has not thoroughly responded to your concerns that makes a commitment here that he has understood the concerns and will take the feedback expressed here into account.
 * 18) ******I also wanted to make a separate point here. It is the fact that the word "policy" is mentioned a lot of the times. I believe that this is precisely our issue: that we do not have enough policy. Because of this the current rules governing this wiki are what can be labeled as "conventions". The issue with these so-called "conventions" in some areas is that all users are not in agreement about them or alternatively that it is not clear what the actual convention is because different users have done conflicting things. For example, in the question of editing other user's userpages if the community sees this as something that should not be done (which is my view, with some exceptions to the rule) then to make this clear and mandatory there should be a written guideline and/or policy regarding this. The way to move forward in my opinion is to create a general policy for the functioning of Meta which will incorporate some of these conventions and current methods and the Meta community will have a chance to vote on. One might argue against this proposal and say that it is better to have unwritten rules because it allows for more flexibility or because they are more or less obvious. I do not believe in this argument as the prospective policies must not be completely strict, they are able to have a degree of flexibility but at the same time include the general principles (as with the example of editing others' userpages: the general rule is not but there can be some exceptions for example if the user says something false, etc.). Another argument against not having a written policy is that for newcomers it is difficult to understand rules which are unwritten and it would be a great benefit to be able to send these users to a page that explains this. DeeM28 (talk) 12:45, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 19) *******One thing I wish the community would answer, why should we give more chances if it is VERY clear issue of WP:HIGHMAINT. Zppix (Meta &#124; talk to me) 21:19, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * 20) – Many of the points in favor of removal end up being quite ridiculous upon further analysis, and he's been a great steward/sysop in all my interactions with him. — Arcversintalk 12:51, 14 April 2021 (UTC)


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