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Waki285 (Wiki creator)

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 * Successful. John (talk) 14:59, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

User: Waki285 ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log ) Group: Wiki creator Reason: I am a Japanese vowel speaker. I have translated Meta and TestWiki so far. Currently, there is only one Japanese wiki creators User:シュヴァルツ, and he hasn't been active for more than a month. For that reason, I made this application because I wanted to process the application quickly.

Additional comments: I read Wiki creators and　Wiki creators guide. -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waki285 (talk • contribs) 05:02, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Questions
 * Please answer the following wiki request questions in terms of how you'd handle the request (i.e., accept, decline, request more information, or consult with another wiki creator) and why:
 * Request description translates directly from a Chinese variant language, "to expose truth and scandal."
 * A wiki which proposes to compare and contrast extreme political ideologies, including Nazism, Neo-Nazism, fascism, Stalinism, and Communism.
 * Request description reads "Pepelaugh" and sitename reads "Unified Freedom Front of Russia."
 * Request description reads "I want to share information about Grape SMP."
 * Request description reads "Migrating from Fandom over to here."
 * Request description reads "To test MediaWiki" and sitename is the requestor's username.
 * In addition, I haven't seen you on Discord or IRC. Are you on one (or both) platforms? Though not required, it is recommended, perhaps highly, as wiki creator collaboration is essential, and wiki talk page discussions are sub-optimal for quick messages. --Dmehus (talk) 05:22, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Reject as "What truths and scandals do you want to reveal them? And what exactly does it mean to create this wiki? Go back to Special:RequestWikiQueue/(Requests Number) and add content to your request description. Please add. Thank you."
 * Reject as "Why do you do this? And what if those politicians see these things? Go back to Special:RequestWikiQueue/(Request Number) and add them to the description. Please. Thank you."
 * Reject as "What does this wiki do? What is this wiki for? Please explain in more detail. Go back to Special:RequestWikiQueue/(Request Number) and add it to the description. Thank you."
 * Reject as "What does it mean to share the topic of Grape SMP and what content do you want to post? Add it to Special:RequestWikiQueue/(Number). Thank you."
 * Reject as "Please post the URL of the original Fandom wiki. What is the wiki for? Add it to Special:RequestWikiQueue/(Number). Thank you."
 * Guide to TestWiki--Waki285 (talk) 09:04, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Please answer my following questions:
 * In your own words, explain the various points of the Content policy, and why they are important.
 * If you are not sure about how to handle a wiki request, what should you do? Zppix (Meta &#124; Sysadmin &#124; talk to me) 17:47, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "The primary purpose of your wiki cannot be for commercial activity." ... This is because Miraheze is just a "wiki" service, and spam and commercial use deviate from its intended purpose.
 * "Miraheze does not host any content that is illegal in the United Kingdom" ... These are against not only Britain but also the public order and morals of us humans. Also, in some countries (including the United Kingdom) this can violate the law.
 * "Miraheze does not host wikis with the sole purpose to spread unsubstantiated insult, hate or rumours against a person or group of people" ... This creates a situation where if one wiki puts unwelcome content on a wiki farm, other wikis will also be penalized for SEO, domain blacklisting, and system down. In the worst case, Miraheze itself may be seen as evil. for that reason.
 * "Public wikis should develop a content policy" ... This policy is a minimum policy, so it means that you must follow the ones mentioned so far.
 * Let's get back to the beginning and read Wiki creators guide. If you still don't understand, talk to another wiki creator. --Waki285 (talk) 21:51, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * Comments

Support

Neutral/Abstain
 * 1)  ✅. You had a minor error on one question, but mainly relating to your reason not being sufficient; however, I did not deduct any points. You had one question wrong, but you can discuss with me on Discord or IRC which one that is. Other than that, together with your Japanese translation work, you have the shown the capacity for learning and taking advice from more experienced users, which is crucial to me. So, please do consider joining either IRC via IRCCloud or Discord, as I do feel that would be very helpful and mutually beneficial should your wiki creator request prove successful. Moreover, we do need more Japanese speaking wiki creators, so this will be helpful. Dmehus (talk) 14:51, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)  You are very active on Meta and we need Japanese Wiki Creators because of the number of Japanese Wiki requests. I also noticed that you joined IRC yesterday. R4356th (talk) 15:19, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 3)  Although I have a few concerns I am going to support this out of good faith I am still willing to support this, and think with your 2 years of being at Miraheze you can handle being a wiki creator --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 15:45, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 4)  Active user here on Meta, and we need more Japanese wiki creators. HeartsDo (Talk || Global || Wiki Creator) 16:11, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 5)  Waldo (talk) 16:52, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 6)   06:48, 1 December 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * 7)  Pretty decent overall.   Circley  Does Extracter    ( Circley Talk  |  Global   |  Email the Cloud )  02:43, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 8)  User shows in depth understanding of global policies, including the Content Policy. Justarandomliberal (talk) 09:28, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 9)  At first I hesitated to support this request because while users above say that the user is very active on Meta from what I can see this activity is in relation to translation almost exclusively. I would have liked to see more interacting with users. The two reasons that convinced me to weakly support are the following. First, I do agree that there is a need for more Japanese speaking wiki creators because of some departures. Second, I think that the responses given to the various questions were satisfactory and do demonstrate an understanding of the Content Policy. I would still prefer that the user focuses on the Japanese requests for a initial period of time and after he/she gains experience they could also assist with other languages. DeeM28 (talk) 11:42, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) I’m kind of torn in the middle here. Activity and policy knowledge is there, but I am still not quite sure I can vote either way yet. Zppix (Meta &#124; Sysadmin &#124; talk to me) 00:24, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Oppose


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Integer (Wiki creator)
User: Integer ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log ) Group: Wiki creator Reason: The reasons I believe Integer should be a creator are many. The foremost is the many languages he knows. I am sure that Miraheze gets requests for the wiki's in lots of different languages, and he apparently knows 13. That is a lot, especially for your average person. Along with that, he has a strong leadership personality but knows when to back down a little. Also, based on my experience both on Meta and on Ingenpedia, he is just a helpful person.

Additional comments: 1. You can see the languages he knows on his user page. 2. I do (honestly) believe that he does in fact deserve this role, and will help out a lot. He is already super helpful on Ingenpedia and has thousands of global edits. Thanks for everyone taking the time to read! Yours truly, --RONALDOFAN (talk) 04:19, 18 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Questions

Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * Comments


 * 1)  Thank you so much for the nomination! I would be glad to have this role. I certainly would be happy to volunteer using my extensive knowledge of many languages. I also have read the entire Content Policy and do believe I have an understanding of it. I would be glad to be a wiki creator and would be able to help at least 12 hours a day, with quick acceptions/rejections. I will respect the decision of the community, and appreciate the interest!
 * Many thanks,
 * -- Integer talk 04:42, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 1)  Per reasoning above --RONALDOFAN (talk) 04:24, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Please note that you should had waited for to first accept this nomination.  08:36, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, ok. Sorry, I am new, so I don't quite know all of the policies, but I will try to learn them soon RONALDOFAN (talk) 20:01, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Do not worry; we all make mistakes. :) 20:10, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks! RONALDOFAN (talk) 20:16, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 1)  Certainly valuable insight into policies; also familiar with assorted languages, another valuable asset. Good edit volume on Meta, as well as globally. Overall, worth it. --PortugeseManO&#39;War (talk) 05:22, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  I find it useful to be able to speak 13 languages :)-- 09:09, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 3)  In my own opinion, I think we could use someone who speaks 13 languages for wiki requests, and plus after looking at the number of wiki creators we have I was shocked to see that we had a low number of wiki creators. We could use more of them. --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 16:11, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 4)  I hold this to be self-evident that this nomination is questionable. Two users supporting the user (including the nominator themselves) are editors of the nominee's wiki and do not have enough global or Meta contributions. The same can be said for the nominee, in my honest view. While there is no effective way for me to assess the nominee's knowledge of the Content Policy without asking them questions, I cannot see myself doing that as I believe this whole nomination is questionable. I am not saying that this cannot be a good faith nomination or I am interested in biting newcomers, however. I honestly really hate to oppose requests which seem to have been made in good faith. I would like to see more activity globally across Miraheze and especially, here on Meta first. It should also be noted that knowing many languages is not much helpful, unfortunately as we do not get requests in so many non-English languages. The ones which could help us are Japanese, Korean and in some cases, Russian and French (we already have French Wiki Creators).  16:43, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Global activity isn't a policy requirement for wiki creator. Also, as you acknowledge in your own reply, you have no evidence that is not a good-faith request. So this seems like a massive failure to assume good faith. As to Content Policy concerns, the requestor's own wiki requests have been fine, and Stewards have supervisory oversight over wiki creators, so they can guide, warn, and, where necessary, revoke the flag as required. It seems to me to be reasonable to assume good faith, give them a chance and avoid biting the newcomers. Dmehus (talk) 17:03, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * "Global activity isn't a policy requirement" Agreed but you have misinterpreted my words. I was saying that it is favourable but not required. "Stewards have supervisory oversight over wiki creators" - Nice, this should be documented. As for your other concerns, could you please reach me out privately on Discord as a member of the CoCC if you are confident about your claims? Thank you. 17:29, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Regarding the first point, it is documented here. If clarification is needed, we can certainly look at that. To your second point, I'm getting to Discord next, actually, and will reach out to you, but why as a member of the CoCC? Dmehus (talk) 17:33, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * By CoCC is because your reply sounded like a CoC violation warning. As for the Wiki Creator policy, I thought you meant Stewards periodically reviewed our actions. 17:41, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh okay, thanks for clarifying. Even with the CoC, though, stewards should still be first global functionary to resolve potential Code of Conduct issues. The Code of Conduct Commission really should only be involved if (a) there's been no response from stewards to a complaint within a reasonable period of time, (b) the complainant is unsatisfied with the resolution stewards provided, or (c) the case is complex and, usually, has been referred to the Commission by stewards, system administrators, or similar. I guess the CoC would be involved indirectly in the sense, potentially, in some circumstances, but primarily, the policy-based based reason would be for if wiki creators were consistently demonstrating a misunderstanding or misapplication of Content Policy in their wiki approvals and declines. So, that would be the policy under which Stewards would review a wiki creator's approvals or declines. As to how consistently and/or thoroughly stewards review wiki creators' approvals and declines, it probably varies from steward to steward and wiki creator to wiki creator. In some cases, it may be mostly or entirely report driven. In other cases, it may be more of a proactive review, whether systemic or randomized. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 17:50, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * "you have no evidence that is not a good-faith request." Now that RhinosF1's observation added to that of my own strongly suggests this to be case of sockpuppetry, I believe this gets automatically answered. 18:48, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hrm? How's that? This seems like a circular argument to me. It could just as easily be two users failing to assume good faith. Two users, not citing any evidence, does not equate to support for an argument. Dmehus (talk) 18:59, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 1)  per the points expressed, per the Integer's own wiki requests, which have been approved and created, which suggest sufficient Content Policy understanding. I'm willing to assume good faith here based on that alone. Most importantly, Stewards have the capacity to guide, warn, and where necessary, revoke the flag if there are persistent unaddressed Content Policy concerns in the wiki creator's approvals and/or declines. Dmehus (talk) 17:06, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  There's a huge elephant in the room with this request. It was created by a user that had only been around for a few hours and the only actions I can see that this user has made involve Integer. The way this shows to me is that you've asked your mate to nominate you. If you want the role, be honest about it.  ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  18:31, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * For one thing, there's no global policy against asking a friend or colleague to support your request. Even if you consider this might be a common sense thing to do, both the nominee and the nominator have acknowledged this is a third-party nomination, so that in itself is an implied express acknowledgment of both being honest about it. For another matter, you've not cited a shred of evidence that nominee or requestor asked another user to support them. It's quite possible, or likely even, that the other user is active on that wiki, and saw the exchange between between the nominee and nominator about a potential third-party nomination. So, this, too, seems like a massive failure to assume good faith and be BITEy. Dmehus (talk) 18:55, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * In the past, Stewards have conducted CheckUser investigations and IIRC, their requests were closed of a link was found. 18:58, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * That would be very inappropriate in this case. I'm not familiar with past instances, but past instances have different contextually relevant circumstances, such as those users' editing patterns (on or off Meta), behaviour, and even the type of permission being requested. Dmehus (talk) 19:02, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * No offense but you cannot say what circumstances past instances had without being familiar with them as you acknowledge in your own reply. This is one for you to read. You may also want to skim through this. 19:23, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm familiar with that instance, and was one of the examples I was thinking you might've been referring to actually. Very different circumstances that are contextually irrelevant to this case. Dmehus (talk) 19:37, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It's misleading and known as meat puppetry. Asking someone to vote for you that has had no prior on wiki reaction without disclosing it creates a huge conflict of interest and in my opinion, if it isn't deemed so already, should be against policy. Given the lack of contributions prior to today, it is not unreasonable at all to assume the user was recruited off site. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  19:14, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm definitely aware of meat puppetry. While it may not be completely unreasonable, given Integer's overwhelmingly constructive editing contributions on Meta Wiki and on their own wiki(s), it's quite unlikely. Thus, this is merely nothing more than a massive failure to assume good faith, bite the newcomers, and generally failure to adhere to the spirit of the Code of Conduct, in my view. Dmehus (talk) 19:23, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't know if it is a very important deal to become a wiki creator, but I just thought he was a smart, multilingual, and helpful guy. If you don't agree with me, that is fine, but it kind of hurts to be blamed like this. Sorry if I caused any type of inconvenience. RONALDOFAN (talk) 20:15, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * RONALDOFAN Since you and I both replied to RhinosF1 at the same indentation level, I assume your reply was directed to RhinosF1, correct? Dmehus (talk) 20:25, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was RONALDOFAN (talk) 20:43, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with you that he seems a nice person but I want to know how you became aware of him and his wiki seem as your very first edit was to ask how to use his wiki. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  20:26, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

DarkMatterMan4500 (sysop)

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 * I'm going to hereby request for global sysop. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 19:32, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm going to hereby request for global sysop. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 19:32, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

User: DarkMatterMan4500 ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log ) Group: sysop Reason: Well, considering how I've been on Miraheze since January 29th, 2020, I've gotten to know this community much better than I originally anticipated. I mean, after all, I've helped rollback/revert vandalism on some of the wikis, reported obvious abuse of multiple accounts, along with fighting vandalism (by reporting them to the CVT team on Discord, I feel as though this type of permission would be good enough for me. And if you have a look at my contributions globally, you can see that I have made over 8,000 edits all across the platform. If you have any questions or concerns involving me, please drop me a line, and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Thanks.

Additional comments:

Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * Comments/Questions
 * It's not clear from this request why you're requesting Meta administrator, since your reasons discuss global activity. I'd personally recommend reaching out to me or another administrator and discuss ways in which you can volunteer on Meta first (i.e., as a patroller, translation administrator, or some other capacity even. Dmehus (talk) 19:25, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, so where would I have to do that? I know I requested this before, but withdrew that because I needed to know more about this community. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 19:26, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I think you meant to make a request for the Global Sysop right. 19:28, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's what I meant to request, as I have a particular interest in helping maintain the wikis. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 19:29, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You can withdraw this request, if you like, by adding  below the section header and   at the very bottom. Dmehus (talk) 19:29, 18 January 2021 (UTC)


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