User talk:Reception123

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Trustworthiness

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 * ✅. Incnis Mrsi has recreated Module:UCS, and related module documentation, on this wiki, and is reminded to simply assume good faith and resolve concerns locally with the other party to which they have a dispute first. Dmehus (talk) 15:01, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello. You promoted one Pppery to a bureaucrat in TemplateWiki. Due to importance of templates it’s nearly a position of Miraheze staff member. The steward deems he’s the same person as the Wikimedian Pppery. Surely you checked Pppery makes various template stuff fine, but how about trustworthiness? Your guys, probably, didn’t investigate in-depth how does Pppery behave in Wikipedia.

On September 10 Pppery suddenly nominated my module for deletion. Note that had no arguments with this person in the past.  was not notified in proper (or, in fact, in any) form. Fortunately noticed the attack early enough to recover my things from Google cache and recreated it here (Lua, test case). When approached Pppery for satisfaction, he replied with a sort of polite bollocks without any glimpse of regret. Unfortunately has been unaware that the person behaving in this ignoble manner holds a position of trust here.

If the Miraheze administration won’t induce Pppery into making apologies for his past conduct—specifically, ruining other people’s work without providing a decent opportunity to save it elsewhere—then ’ll see his involvement here as a stain on the reputation of Miraheze.

Regards, Incnis Mrsi (talk) 17:07, 5 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Incnis Mrsi Well, first off, that seems to me like a failure to assume good faith on the reason(s) for Pppery nominating your template for deletion at Templates for Deletion on English Wikipedia. They likely have specific criteria for nominating Lua modules and wikitext templates for deletion, and likely was nothing personal. Perhaps their response was a bit direct, but I don't see any conduct issues here, to be honest. Pppery does good work for us on Miraheze Template Wiki, in terms of de-Wikipedia-ifying templates and general template and page maintenance on that wiki, so we're very fortunate to have them. Have you tried asking the deleting Wikipedia administrator for the source code for your template to be e-mailed to you? Dmehus (talk) 17:24, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
 * To add to what Dmehus said, while I don't really want to get into technicalities over the term 'staff', I'd like to mention that the position of bureaucrat or administrator on Template Wiki is not seen as a "leadership" position or anything like that, similarly to Meta administrators and bureaucrats. Although we don't like using the term staff as it is confusing and not very accurate, if any positions were to be equivalated to staff it would rather be Stewards and System Administrators, but local wiki administrators, whether they're "official" wikis or not would not really qualify here. Therefore, Pppery does not represent Miraheze by helping out on Template Wiki and I don't really see how him being a bureaucrat there can stain our reputation. I don't think it would be fair to say that a English Wikipedia administrator represents every single Wikipedia. I notice that you approached Pppery via their talkpage but did not yet receive a reply, perhaps you could wait for a reply and resolve this matter with them before coming to us? Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 17:36, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Oops… to wait for reply where? Indeed received a reply on meta.WM which deemed a miserable etiquette failure. As for “not a "leadership" position”, it’s at very least a sort of substantial answer. The position of bureaucrat on Template Wiki is not seen as a "leadership" position.
 * Let’s settle on that and shelve the dispute for a while. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 17:51, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
 * ’d prefer never to ask Fastily for anything – it’s personal. Surely could ask another sysop, or an official researcher, but it was Pppery who nearly forced me into position of a beggar. The AGF stuff by Dmehus is misleading, as Pppery’s “faith” is explicated in his meta.WM reply. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 17:51, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Incnis Mrsi I disagree with your assertion that Pppery "forced [you] into the position of a beggar," namely because that's the way English Wikipedia works. When deletion is the result, it cannot be undeleted without a deletion review. Deletion review would confirm the deletion outcome, so your best bet would've been to Fastily, as the deleting administrator, to ask you for the source code from the Lua module. I strongly suspect Fastily would've obliged. On your latter point, I also disagree, completely, that "not assuming good faith" is misleading. Assuming good faith is always preferable. I'm sure Reception123 will agree with that. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 17:59, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't see a thing done wrong by Pppery. They're not required to inform someone indefinitely blocked when they request the page is deleted as you can't respond to it. Maybe think about why you were blocked and stop complaining about the impact of it. There's clearly a reason. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  18:19, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
 * It is generally considered civil to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the articles that you are nominating for deletion. Do not notify bot accounts or people who have made only insignificant 'minor' edits. For your convenience, you may use &#123;{subst:Adw|Article title}}. w:WP:AFDLIST, English Wikipedia
 * Not doing so isn’t a policy violation, but rude manners. Moreover, could react on my user_talk, via a proxy admin, IP sock or many other ways. How can persons not understanding these trivial things hold elevated position on this site? Incnis Mrsi (talk) 14:44, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

This entire thing is massively overblown. When I nominated w:Module:UCS for deletion as part of a routine patrol of rarely-used modules, I saw no need to notify the creator because they had been indefinitely blocked. This was not some attempt to attack you, or to make my deletion fly under the radar. Also note that the above incident happened after I was promoted to a bureaucrat on Miraheze Template Wiki, so Reception123 could not possibly have known about it, and I don't see why it warranted bringing up at an entirely unrelated wiki four and a half months later. Pppery (talk) 18:18, 5 February 2021 (UTC)


 * It doesn't at all warrant a discussion here. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  18:20, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) First of all, I agree with Dmehus that assuming good faith in this situation is not misleading, we must assume good faith on Miraheze. It's also difficult for me to understand why someone who acted in a way that you disagree with should be stripped of their bureaucrat and sysop positions on Template Wiki where they have done nothing wrong on that particular wiki (quite the opposite); that doesn't seem fair. I also did not quite understand your reply to my assertion that the position of bureaucrat on Template Wiki is not a "leadership" one but I mention again that the position is not representative of Miraheze and I am certain most of users (and even volunteers) aren't even aware that Pppery is a bureaucrat there, as, even though it deals with templates used globally, as a "position" it does not have much bearing globally. I would like to again reiterate that I would encourage you to discuss and try to resolve this with Pppery first before coming to us and asking us to "induce" him to apologize when the whole issue that you are bringing up is something between you and him that didn't happen on Miraheze. I would find it to be quite out of place for us at Miraheze to simply get Pppery to apologize for something he did on a non-Miraheze project. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 18:22, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
 * While people from Miraheze may blame me for utterly unrelated disputes on Wikimedia Commons, why shouldn’t blame Pppery for a direct attack on my sphere of interests abroad? Incnis Mrsi (talk) 18:38, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with Pppery here that this was quite overblown and doesn't need this discussion here. No idea why Reception123 was even approached here, particularly since the correct venue is talk to Pppery about your concerns with respect to the deletion of the Lua module. As I said here, this was just a major failure to assume good faith here. Dmehus (talk) 18:25, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
 * never surmised that Reception123 could know about this particular incident; of course, checked when was Pppery promoted before posting.  am bringing it up at an entirely unrelated wiki because a resulting career obstruction may force Pppery to reconsider his manner of treating people like vermin. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 18:38, 5 February 2021 (UTC)


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Suggested donations?
Hi there! Does Miraheze have such a thing as a 'suggested donation' for services rendered like setting up custom DNS, SSL etc for Wikis and the like? Are you able to generate invoices for donations thereby 'accepted'? I realise I must sound like some kind of minimalist money launderer or something, but I'm simply trying to encourage Wiki use by small charities and community organisations. By and large they'd much rather pay a small charge for an underwritten outcome. Ftwm (talk) 09:21, 25 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi! Unfortunately, I can't really give an exact number of a suggested donation. For the services you mention, like Custom domain set ups, they're done by volunteers who are not payed, as all donations go into infrastructure and other costs such as our domain, etc. I can however refer you to read this section on the fundraising page which may help you with your question. What I can say is that every donation (no matter how small) helps us and is appreciated! :) Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 09:42, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Redirect issue
Hi Reception123,

I'm having an issue with redirect from  to. It was working perfectly before, but now I get 'Warning: Potential Security Risk Ahead' page.

Could you please take a look and see what's causing this issue?

Thanks, --Gil Borlin (talk) 13:23, 20 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Gil Borlin Yeah, I get the same issue. I wonder if maybe the SSL certificate needs to be regenerated as a wildcard certificate, or maybe this can be resolved by making small changes to the  and/or   files? Anyway, I'll ping Reception123 to this thread to take a look at it for you. Dmehus (talk) 15:32, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Dmehus Reception123 Redirect from  to   is working now. Thank you both! Could you also add redirect from   to  ? I'm sorry I forgot to mention that in my request. Gil Borlin (talk) 15:09, 21 March 2021 (UTC)