User talk:Anton

Your userpage
I have blanked your userpage as you are not a wiki creator. Please refrain from adding that template until/if you are a wiki creator Zppix (Meta | CVT Member | talk to me) 12:06, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Your wiki request
Hi, can you please provide some more details about your wiki request. We currently have a wiki called Miraheze Commons where all uploaded images can be used on any Miraheze wiki that have a setting enabled (it should be enabled by default). Is there any particular reason you would like your own wiki for this purpose? -- Void  Whispers 01:32, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Regarding your wiki creator request
Hi Anton,

While I welcome you being willing to volunteer on Meta and help on Miraheze, you only have 14 edits on Meta, which isn't really enough activity for other volunteers and community members to know you and assess whether you would be a good fit. As a best practice, we recommend joining us on Discord and/or IRC, and reaching out in a mentorship if interested in volunteering as a wiki creator. So, I thought I'd reach out to on your user talk page to see whether you'd be interested in withdrawing your request? You don't have to, but just know that I, and quite likely, others will not be able to support at this point. If you do, you may withdraw your request by adding  immediately below your section header and and   at the very bottom of your request.

Cheers,

Dmehus (talk) 15:15, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay. So should I join your IRC channel? What am I doing there? How else would I get credit from other Miraheze users? --Anton (talk) 15:25, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * IRC is one option, certainly, but Discord is also a good option. I recommend direct messaging an established community member and engage on ways in which you can volunteer. Did you want me to withdraw your wiki creator request as well for you? Dmehus (talk) 15:47, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I could also join your Discord. What are we discussing in these services? You can delete my wiki creator -request. I'll try again sometime ago though, when I'm here with you for a while and talked garnered confidence.
 * I will come along to talk with you. --~ Anton (talk) 15:52, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Anton Yeah, that's fine, I just think you will have better chances at success if you reapply in a month or two, after having engaged with myself,, or anyone else who is an experienced Meta user. We're a bit busy at the moment, but perhaps in a couple weeks he or I can ask you some preparatory situation-based questions. Anyway, I've ✅ your request per your request above. In the meantime, is there some other way you'd like to volunteer on Meta? Do you know one or more languages, and would you like to assist with doing translations? Dmehus (talk) 15:58, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You can contact me in two weeks if you are busy now.
 * In fact, fact, about languages, I am Finnish, and thus possess excellent Finnish language. I have noticed that there are no other Miraheze in Meta English pages than bring home: it is not, at least not come or I am not against, but then pay attention.
 * I was thinking here that while you are in a hurry, I could translate some pages into Finnish and, of course, check previous translations and / or do the appropriate language maintenance. I have translated some messages Translatewikissä and once the Wikimedia Meta-Wiki. However, I find it important that I could translate the pages into Finnish in Miraheze. Does translation work with non-rights or does it have to be a certain right? I remember from one of my own wikis (unfortunately I am now talking about another, not a Miraheze wiki) that translation requires the rights of either a translator or a translation administrator.
 * I guess if I could choose one of these, I would take the rights of a translation administrator because then I can also mark pages for translation and check translations made by others more closely. How is? I have nothing else to do so I gladly accept the rights of a translation administrator: D --~ Anton (talk) 16:08, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Översättningsadministratör
Hej där, såg att du ansökte om att bli översättningsadministratör, det är kul. Jag är själv översättningsadministratör och har översatt mer eller mindre allt på svenska här. Om du vill vore det bra om någon korrekturläste det för jag kan vara rätt så slarvig ibland och missa saker eller stava fel eller dylikt. Hursomhelst, välkommen ombord! --Sabelöga (talk) 21:43, 28 January 2021 (UTC)


 * English: Hi! I think it's nice to come to Miraheze, when there seems to be a nice reception here :) I can check the translations you made somewhere, but first I thought to translate the pages into Finnish.

Svenska: Hej! Jag tycker att det är trevligt att komma till Miraheze, när det verkar vara en trevlig mottagning här :) Jag kan kontrollera översättningarna du gjorde någonstans, men först tänkte jag översätta sidorna till finska. --Anton (talk) 06:18, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Låter rimligt, du gör saker i den takt du känner för det :) --Sabelöga (talk) 21:56, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Attribution required for Finnish Wikinews imports on
Hi Anton,

An anonymous user filed this report on stewards' noticeboard regarding potential CreativeCommons copyright licensing contraventions on your  wiki. While we generally discourage the practice of anonymous reports, in keeping with the democratic tradition in western liberal democracies that holds that the accused has the constitutionally-protected right to know and face their accuser and because anonymous reports are sometimes made from locked or banned users or users with unclear motivations, I've nonetheless looked into the report, and noticed that you've not provided the required source attribution to the Finnish Wikinews articles. As your wiki doesn't seem to have too many articles or templates to correct, this should not be too cumbersome for you to fix, provided you fix it soon. All you need to do is make a minor edit to each of the source page(s) and link to the source page(s) on each of the pages on your wiki, in the format of, where Source page is the page name from Finnish Wikinews. Once that's done, there should be no further issues. To be clear, I believe this to be an honest, good-faith mistake, most likely due to a misunderstanding or lack of understanding on the attribution requirements.

Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter. :)

Cheers,

Dmehus (talk) 21:26, 6 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Yeah I understand :) I went to delete the page. I was wondering if I am no longer active on that wiki, so could I close that wiki? --Anton (talk) 10:12, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Anton You can go into Special:ManageWiki and mark your wiki closed and private, which will make it ineligible for adoption at requests for adoption and it will be deleted in accordance with Dormancy Policy in approximately 135 days from the time you close your wiki. You may also want to want to protect your wiki's Main Page, so no one can perform any edits, though. Alternatively, as you were the only contributor to that wiki and as it seems like it was more of an experiment wiki, you can request that the wiki be manually deleted by a Steward, if you prefer. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 16:06, 8 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I marked it from that ManageWiki now closed and private. This helped, thank you! See you again. --Anton (talk) 18:52, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Interested in volunteering as a on Meta
Hi Anton,

I've noticed you've been helping out more on our noticeboards, doing some Finnish translation work, and adding unsigned signatures for users. I know you were more interested in volunteering as a  and wiki creator, but I do think where we could use the most would be as a Meta. Please see the patrolling guidelines, and let me know if you're interested by way of a reply to this message.

Thank you,

Dmehus (talk) 11:53, 21 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi Dmehus, and thank you so much for trusting me! I have tried to be as much involved in Miraheze community in different ways. And yes, I would like to be a wiki creator and maybe translationadmin but in fact I once did something on Wikipedia patrol-style, or I know what it is. However, I have just read your instructions and I can take on the task! Thank you. --Anton (talk) 11:59, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Patroller granted - 2021-03-21
Hi, Anton. An administrator on Meta has granted you the  user group permission, which gives you the ability to   recent changes and new pages of other Miraheze users (both registered and anonymous) who are  not either autopatrolled or an administrator. In addition, this group also means that your edits are, so other patrollers or administrators don't have to patrol your edits. You should also be aware that the granting of this user group is at the discretion of Meta administrators, so different administrators will have slightly different criteria for granting. Likewise, just as it is a discretionary appointment, revocation is also at the discretion of Meta administrators and, again, each will have their own criteria for revocation.

In the medium-term, plans are in the works to develop a Meta Patrollers School, likely led by one or two active administrators, that will provide a comprehensive set of guidelines for patrollers and answers to commonly asked questions.

Nevertheless, the following are some of the main guidelines for patrolling. If you follow these guidelines completely, it is unlikely your patroller user group should ever be revoked. In technical terms, even when you find content that requires deletion by an administrator or otherwise requires remediation, undoing, reverting, or rolling back (if you are also a, of course), you should always first mark as patrolled any revisions regardless of whether that content is destined to remain extant to the page or even on Meta entirely.


 * 1) When patrolling talk pages, user talk pages, and noticeboards (in Main and Meta namespaces), you should first check to see whether the user properly signed their posts using four tildes . If they have not, you should add unsigned by substitution, where username is the user's username or IP address and the timestamp is the full timestamp from the diff page. As a best practice, you should also link to the diff in your edit summary, so other administrators and patrollers can easily tie your modification to the original edit being modified. To speed up this process, you can copy the   user script from line 5 of this page into either your (a) common.js or (b) global.js page (the latter applying globally on all Miraheze wikis);
 * 2) When patrolling the noticeboards, ask yourself whether this topic is on the correct noticeboard. If it is not, you should move it to the correct noticeboard, by either undoing the edit or manually removing the topic (if there have been intervening edits), again linking to the original noticeboard of the topic and the new noticeboard where it was moved in your edit summary. On the new noticeboard, you would simply paste in the topic (including the section header), linking to the diff page as in the first step. An example edit summary might be , where  ######  represents the numeric revision ID of the originally posted topic;
 * 3) Also when patrolling the noticeboards and talk pages (including user talk pages), as a best practice, take care to kindly fix any formatting mistakes (such as excess line breaks or incorrect wiki code), per WP:LISTGAP;
 * 4) If something requires deletion, you can add delete to the top of the page in question, taking care to follow the instructions on that template page;
 * 5) If you come across a user who repeatedly makes the same mistakes, send them a guidance note on their user talk page, informing of the steps need to edit and post constructively on Meta; and, finally,
 * 6) If in doubt whether something requires remediation or not, patrol it, and then ask any administrator via their user talk page or at Administrators' noticeboard if any further action needs to be taken.

If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to reach out. Thank you! --Dmehus (talk) 12:01, 21 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks! --Anton (talk) 12:04, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * No problem, thank you for volunteering. If you are ever unsure about something, don't hesitate to ask a fellow patroller, or a Meta administrator either on their user talk page or at Administrators' noticeboard. Dmehus (talk) 12:06, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay and yes, I will ask if anything comes up! I also have a small list of spambots on the Public Test Wiki but as you said earlier, I am still waiting for the list to be updated and I will announce the stewards' noticeboard then! -- Anton (talk) 12:09, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, I noticed that you did not link the diff here. Please remember to add that as instructed above (which makes me wonder if you truly read and understood the guidelines). Also, I would suggest not using the "it" pronoun for users as they likely are not bots. :P You can use the neutral pronoun "them" whenever you do not know the person's gender. I also recommend teaching users how to sign posts in the revision summaries. Thank you. 15:00, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, okay. I do this. Thank you :) Anton (talk) 15:13, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Remember to use the delete tag when patrolling
Hi Anton,

Thank you for your help with patrolling on Meta Wiki. I've noticed a few instances where you have forgotten to tag pages for deletion with the delete tag, following the instructions at Template:Delete, so that a Meta administrator can delete them. The two most recent instances were the user page of a certain or likely spam only account, here and here. These are kind of sneaky anyway, since they don't include external links in their user page, but nonetheless important to nip in the bud.

Thanks,

Dmehus (talk) 13:46, 29 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes I know. Next time, you need to mark such user pages for deletion with the Delete template. Thank you for the reminder. --Anton (talk) 14:50, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Anton, yep, and no problem. :) Dmehus (talk) 15:04, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Still interested in volunteering as a translation administrator?
Hi Anton,

Several months ago, you expressed interest in both volunteering as a wiki creator and a translation administrator on Meta. In that time, you've been helpful answering questions on community noticeboard and translating pages, mainly, to Finnish, which has been great. I'm still working on setting aside some time to ask you a series of situation-based questions for a future run for wiki creator; however, with your translation work, I do feel that the translation administrator tools would be of use to you, and we could use a Finnish translation administrator, so are you still interested? The most important thing to keep in mind is to never remove a page from the translation system; rather, request deletion at Administrators' noticeboard (i.e., for non-translations or barely started translations that have no maintainer), and a Meta administrator will process the deletion first. If you're interested still, let me know, I'll post the guidelines, then grant the bit.

Thanks,

Dmehus (talk) 13:27, 17 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Sounds good and I'm still interested! I read the page Translation administrators, although for some reason it has not been translated to Finnish... Anton (talk) 13:34, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Feel free to prepare that documentation page (but not the template, as that complicates things, I feel, and isn't really needed) once I grant that bit, if you want; however, I just noticed something I need to change first. Dmehus (talk) 13:39, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Yesterday on the Public Test Wiki, I prepared the page testwiki:TestWiki:Autopatrolled for translation. You can see from there that how it went, but I can do a "test" here somewhere if necessary. I think the Translate extension is a little complicated at times, but of course I've got the pages translated, and if I don't get or know something, I'll ask for help with it. The great thing is that Translate extension and Translatewiki were developed by a Finn. Anton (talk) 13:44, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, Nikerabbit is great. Yeah, that's fine that you prepared the above page on TestWiki. I just mean that translationadmin granted likely doesn't need to be translated because the template will always be substituted in English and being at least an en-2 would likely be a recommended best practice for the appointment of translation administrators; however, feel free to translate the documentation subpage, which I'll update now. Dmehus (talk) 13:58, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay. Anton (talk) 14:02, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Translation administrator granted - 2021-05-17
Hi, Anton. An administrator on Meta has granted you the  user group permission, which gives you the ability to mark updated source pages for translation and prepare additional, untranslated pages for translation, among a few other permissions related to the administration of translated pages. You should also be aware that the granting of this user group is at the discretion of Meta administrators, so different administrators will have slightly different criteria for granting. Likewise, just as it is a discretionary appointment, revocation is also at the discretion of Meta administrators and, again, each will have their own criteria for revocation.

Nevertheless, the following are some of the main guidelines for translation administrators. If you follow these guidelines completely, it is unlikely your translation administrator user group should ever be revoked.


 * Don't mark or prepare pages too quickly. Administration of translation pages is handled by a system maintenance bot, FuzzyBot, whose tasks are handled by  and  . Accordingly, it is strongly recommended that you check FuzzyBot's recent edits and log actions to see when it has completed your request. A good rule of thumb is to wait approximately 5-10 minutes between marking pages
 * Noticeboards and talk pages should never be translated. Due to the dynamically changing nature of the content on these pages, translation of these pages is undesirable, so they should never be prepared for translation. If you note that a noticeboard is proposed for translation (i.e., pages which contain translation tags but which haven't yet been marked), it's best to remove the  and   characters from the given discussion thread(s) that note the example translation syntax, to remove the noticeboard or talk page from pages proposed for translation
 * Never remove a translated page from the translation system. This is not recommended, mainly because the translation page units (in Translations: namespace) remain. Instead, if you believe a page should no longer be translated, start a new thread at Administrators' noticeboard recommending the given translated subpage(s) for deletion by an administrator. Once all the translated subpage(s) have been deleted, then a page can be removed from the translation system
 * Make use of  and   tags. The former is especially helpful with translating the displayed text of wikilinks (including interwiki wikilinks) and external links, and the latter is particularly helpful where the linked destination page is translated into languages other than English
 * Consider the utility and usefulness before preparing new pages for translation. For example, additional untranslated pages in Tech: namespace aimed at explaining to system administrators how to perform certain procedures are unlikely to ever be read in languages other than English. A best practice here is to propose new pages for translation at Administrators' noticeboard and obtain consensus there to prepare the page
 * Ignore, generally, pages in userspace proposed for translation. Often these are userspace drafts contain translation tags. You can usually just ignore these. If in doubt, you can ask at Administrators' noticeboard
 * Bookmark this help page on MediaWiki.org. Aimed specifically at translation administrators like you, it contains very useful, well written information on the Translate extension's translation administration tools

In addition, a couple of technical limitations regarding the  user group:
 * 1) You cannot mark fully protected pages that have been updated. If you see such a page that needs to be re-marked, please leave a note on the user talk page of any administrator on Meta or at Administrators' noticeboard; and,
 * 2) You cannot delete translated subpages. Again, you can recommend long outdated and unmaintained translations, as well as poor translations, for deletion by leaving a note on the user talk page of any administrator on Meta or at Administrators' noticeboard

If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to reach out. Thank you! --Dmehus (talk) 13:39, 17 May 2021 (UTC)