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What's happening with Labster and the finance pace?
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My avatar doesn't show up whenever I write a comment?
Everyone else's does, though. This must be a bug or something.

I know I tried deleting my avatar and reuploading/changing it again, but it's still blank in the comments.

I hope there is one way to fix it. One way or another...

Cannot create new page from search
Normally to create a MediaWiki page, you can simply search for the article in your search box. If the page is not found, MediaWiki will prompt you to create the page. However, on my wiki, I am not prompted to create a new page. I can create a new page if I create a link of a word that does not have a page, but I don't get the link to create a new page from searching a page that does not exist. Is there any feature that must be enabled?

"Exception" error
Hello, and thank you again for your beautiful work!

My wiki is working well, but I have a problem when a new user has to set a new password at first access. The password input works, but after that I see a page which says (italian version):

Errore interno [6ed00020e037182f9468e092] 2020-01-16 10:55:53: Errore irreversibile di tipo "Exception"

Is it possible to fix it? (the best thing should be redirecting the user to a news page, like "Your account is ready, welcome and begin navigatioN"...

Why is new group in "Groups you cannot change" list?
I just created a new group (Editors2) to test. My current editors group members lost their ability to edit. I created a task on Maniphest (T5197). Meanwhile, I'm trying to set up a new group to see if it works better. But the group ended up in the column Groups you cannot change.

The infobox template on my wiki doesn't work properly
Hi, I've a problem with the template "infobox". Basically, in every other wiki, including wikipedia, the page of the infobox template shows a sort of rectangle with the borders of the infobox. I've pasted the code of the template that I copied from this Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox), but in my own wiki the infobox is not shown and if I try to use the template in other pages the infobox appears as a sort of blue rectangle without borders…

How the template should work: https://imgur.com/nkFXoym

How the template works in my wiki: https://imgur.com/02JCnic
 * That's a banner not an infobox. --Rob Kam (talk) 13:00, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hope I'm not too late, but Wikipedia infoboxes require a lot of stuff to make sure they work. Have you imported the modules and updated the .CSS styles on your wiki to allow for it to function properly?--Amelia (talk) 17:03, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

How to implement modules into Miraheze?
So, I have made a wiki for myself and I keep running into problems with modules. Since this is my first time I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong but for my template I got from another wiki, it keeps saying: Script error: No such module “Infobox” and Script error: No such module “documentation”. I went and got the modules from the Miraheze meta or whatever you call it and copied the text, then put it into notepad and saved them as Infobox.xml and documentation.xml. When I tried to import them I got an error saying: Import failed: Expected tag, got. If anyone knows how to import modules I’ll love to know as I have no clue on what I’m doing. Tasha04 (talk) 04:06, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * It can't be done with copy paste. There's some instructions at Template Wiki's Porting templates page on how it has to be done. --Rob Kam (talk) 12:20, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Okay, I read what was on that page however the modules still don’t work. All I get when I import a file is the template and no modules. Tasha04 (talk) 20:58, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, I recommend starting with a simple module. The Module documentation seems quite complex to me, and the documentation on login wiki contains a lot of red links. So this might not be the ideal starting point for learning Lua, Lily (Lilypond Wiki) 13:35, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Community Directors
Hello,

I have now closed Community Directors/Election Commission/2019 Election/Vote with a no consensus for any candidate as not enough people voted. Despite 20 users casting votes, they did not all vote for a candidate so more users would have been needed for any single candidate to pass. I'd like to open a thread to determine what the community would like to do next.

Please consider the below options. This is not a formal RfC but will precede one. Dependant on responses, I will book a Miraheze Meetings slot on 21st January to discuss this as well.


 * Should the community lower or remove the minimum number of voters requirement?
 * Is the community in a position to elect Directors at this time?
 * Is an election commission needed?
 * Should voting limits be changed for Directors as well?
 * What about other advanced roles?

Thanks, ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  16:38, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I would definitely disagree with removing a minimum number for both directors and commissioners, as we must guarantee that many members of the community agree with the proposals. The problem is rather users being informed and understanding the purpose of the role I'd say. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 18:00, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree that lowering the numbers would not be ideal. I think we need to work to bring more of the community to meta and possibly look at delaying the Community Directors elections for a period of time. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  18:20, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I have to argue that, at least for the first year, the Miraheze community is not in a condition to vote for directors. As it appears, a lot of this information has just been sprung on several people, who do not fully understand what it means for Miraheze to be owned by an independently acting corporation. For the sake of smooth establishment of Miraheze Ltd. and to give time for the community to adjust to these changes, I would support holding off on any sort of election outside of the typical Miraheze everyday functions (e.g. stewards, dev, RfXs, and the like). dross  (t • c • g) 01:49, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I second this. The announcements were circulated, but I doubt most users—especially those new to Miraheze and already busy trying to set up their new wikis—would have the time nor the expertise needed to make informed decisions to vote. — k6ka  🍁 ( Talk ·  Contributions ) 22:02, 12 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Unarchived and bumped. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  07:25, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Motion to delay elections, 1 year
“The Miraheze Community thank the Board of Miraheze Limited for their invitation to nominate users for 3 seats on the Miraheze Board. Following an attempt to partake in this, The Community has opted to decline the invitation for at least 12 months.”
 * In accordance with the Community Directors policy, the standard procedure for voting and definitions applies to this.
 * This vote began: 21:39, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Support

 * 1) as proposed.  ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  21:39, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)  per Dross. — k6ka  🍁 ( Talk  ·  Contributions ) 22:02, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * 3)  ~  Chip 🐺 00:30, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * 4)  I think this is my first contribution to any kind of global community discussion/vote. I hope to keep contributing in that aspect from now on! --Ondo (talk) 13:34, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * 5)  Sad, but we really don't have another choice. &#8211;  MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 15:51, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1)  From my point of view we should announce the winners and be done with this. We don't have to go a whole year without new Community Directors. I don't think it counts that the minimum votes didn't get in before the deadline, three of them still won because they got over 60% support in their favor. WickyHoney (talk) 19:34, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * That's not what we voted into policy. The rules for the elections set a minimum number of voters. That was not met. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  19:36, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * For one thing it wasn't public enough, and I am sure that the minimum votes would have gone in if it was. I don't want to waste an opportunity such as this just because enough people didn't vote. I wanted to vote, but I wasn't eligible, so there was also that. Just because someone's account is new doesn't mean they can't understand who they should vote for, but I understand why that rule is there; to prevent inexperienced users from doing something hasty, and to prevent sockpuppets from voting. However, it still is kind of unfair that someone's account was to be old enough to vote when the person typing is experienced enough. I still stand that three promotions should be made sooner that later, because from my point of view three won and one lost. The deadline was also too short. WickyHoney (talk) 19:48, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * It was open for the maximum period allowed and advertised across IRC, Discord and wikis via various methods. If you want to adjust policy, open an RfC to change it and ask that the rules are changed in that then open a vote to restart elections. 3 did NOT win under policy unfortunately. These were also only commissioners for the election and I am not aware of anyone who is willing to stand for Director. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  19:52, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I never said I wanted to change the rules, I was just expressing my opinion. I didn't know it was advertised like that, so I apologize for thinking it wasn't. I still think that Dross lost because they got abstained the most, and that everyone else won because they got the higher support. One problem may be that people on here are just not into politics. I was though, and I guess I just don't like that a satisfying result did not come out of the election. What exactly do you mean by delaying the election anyway? That still confuses me. I am sorry if I sounded rude earlier. WickyHoney (talk) 20:09, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I concur with Rhinos. Rule of Law says we agree on the card game before we look at our own cards!  Wicky, it may seem fine to you to just invent an outcome.  Might seem fine to me too if I were a candidate and didn't get a majority but did pretty well compared to the others.  Point is, if we don't hold to the announced rules, things could get subjective and contentious.  Your point is valid that, despite good announcement and ample time, response was anemic.  (I for one am "just not into politics.")  The proper response is to amend the rules to better match Miraheze reality, and conduct another vote, perhaps without waiting 1 year.   02:26 25-Jan-2020
 * We’ll simply have the election close to a year after this vote closes rather than restarting the process until we get somewhere (probably with an RfC) or cancelling it altogether. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  04:45, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) Whoever set the 'unrealistic 20 voter requirement' is the one who should've been admonished, not the community. Cannot support as is unless 'whoever set the unrealistic 20 voter requirement' is willing to lower their expectation -- because it will happen 12 months later. &mdash;  revi  09:37, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
 * 2) Personally the election failed on an overly ambitious and unrealistic part - election commission. Why do we really need one? The high appointment criteria of them as well is unrealistic per Revi. Unless we extend an EC to fulfil the role of deciding the results of all elections, I feel it’s a role better of scrapping in turn of having Stewards do their role and manage community elections. John (talk) 14:04, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * 3) I concur, let's just get on and do this, we doin't need a election commission. Paladox (talk) 23:48, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Voter Eligibilty Checks

 * 1) RhinosF1 - Checked by

How to transclude one wiki in another?
(Carried on from Community noticeboard/Archive 9.)

The tags have no effect. I've done  at Simple Electronics Wiki (third paragraph) yet the excluded sentence still shows up at the Synth DIY Wiki Simple electronics transclusion? --Rob Kam (talk) 17:58, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Headquarters?
I've been out for so long and when I returned in 2020 I found that Miraheze was incorporated. There are now some board members but where are the headquarters? London? Wales? Scotland? OwenFung87 09:00, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Just curious to ask.
 * Found it here: https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/12323854 OwenFung87 10:20, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * We legally have to have an address listed on companies house. It is not a ‘headquaters’ as such. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  11:04, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * How is that not a headquarter? We have been incorporated and having no headquarters is way too illogical. Headquarters can be anything, in my view. OwenFung87 10:22, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * It's the listed address where official things get sent to that are still done by post and used anywhere that needs an address. A member of the team also lives there so will do Miraheze-related work from there but it's nothing more than that. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  10:24, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Lock edit function for non registered users?
Hello, how can I lock edit function for non registered users?

Import is not working


I don't understand why it isn't working. I am trying to import a file from FANDOM to a Miraheze wiki, but it's not working. WickyHoney (talk) 22:02, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The exported file is broken. We have seen this before with Fandom dumps and recommend reaching out to Fandom support for a new one. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  22:07, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * It's been fixed now. I extracted the file and that seemed to work. WickyHoney (talk) 02:42, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

What is the dequeueing schedule
What's the schedule for the times when potential wikis in Special:RequestWikiQueue are dequeued? PiotrGrochowski (talk) 16:44, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Requests are handled whenever volunteers get a chance. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  16:45, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

March 6th 2020 Miraheze Limited Directors' Meeting Agenda
Hi, please see the Agenda for the next Directors' Meeting take place on March 6th, 2020 at Owen (talk) 17:08, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by "Directors' Meeting"? OwenFung87 04:46, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * A meeting of Miraheze Limited's Directors. Owen (talk) 05:14, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you mean "face-by-face" meeting? OwenFung87 01:01, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * No, they are electronic. Owen (talk) 01:12, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Is it?
Is it allowed to have Special pages blocked, as in https://unicodesubsets.miraheze.org/, allowed?

So, if you add a namespace and name it Special, it will override the natural ability to go to actual Special pages and therefore, as the page to manage namespaces is itself a Special page, it blocks Special pages permanently. PiotrGrochowski (talk) 11:19, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

I didn't even know what would happen, so don't get me "f-c-ing banned" for doing this. PiotrGrochowski (talk) 11:26, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

My wiki request hasn’t been touched yet
Anyone know why my request for a wiki is being ignored? It’s been there for a while. It’s “uaschoolswikiwiki” and called “Upper Arlington Schools Wiki.”

Brownlowe.2 (talk) 12:46, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I apologize for the waiting time, I've created your wiki. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 13:15, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Notice
Hello Everyone,

I intend to create a RfC on or after 28/02/2020 to make the 'Dealing with Online Harassment' guideline a global guidance page.

This will also include the following new requirement for Oversighters, CheckUsers, Stewards, CVT, CoCC members: Users in the listed groups must confirm they have read and agree to follow the 'Dealing with Online Harassment Guidelines'. Failure to follow this guideline may result in action being taken up to and including the removal of rights.

Agreement to the policy must be given within 28 days of the RfC closing (or as approved by the community).

The following line will also be added to the CoC's definition of harassment if approved as part of the RfC: "Repeated failure to handle harassment appropriately and in accordance with guidelines despite warning".

You are encouraged to give feedback or translate the above guidance.

Thanks,
 * ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c - 13:22, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Discussion
I think that you are a very good person. You brought some ideas from the Wikimedia Foundation and applied them here. Miraheze is truly on its way to become connected to Wikimedia. OwenFung87 01:06, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks! These were brought as part of a plan to help support the community better. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  07:00, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Flamebait/Trollbait Wikis
I have some concerns about wikis are are becoming flamebaits or trollbaits. Some of the wikis hosted here in Miraheze are probably triggering flamewars or trolling like Toxic Fandoms & Hatedoms Wiki, Atrocious Deviants Wiki, & Atrocious YouTubers Wiki.

There are many complaints/rants from users outside Miraheze about these 3 wikis. These are possible samples: (1) (2)*.

*Toxic Fandoms & Hatedoms Wiki moved to this site from FANDOM due to being a Trollbait/Flamebait.

Conclusion, I think the 3 wikis needs investigation. Zirukurt01 (talk) 02:39, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for bringing this to our attention. The matter should be looked into by a Steward shortly. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 18:33, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Oboy, that is really f-c-ing dramatic. PiotrGrochowski (talk) 19:28, 23 February 2020 (UTC)