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My talk page goes haywire
This is Katsumi, an admin from Crappy Games Wiki.

It seems my talk page has gone haywire of some sort. I've tried to add this topic to my talk page...

Title: CGW admins visited Hololive Wiki? Content (in wikitext):  So, I've played a bit with Special:CentralAuth.

It seems that some of CGW's admins have visited Hololive Wiki(me included).

I know that the whole VTuber thing is a sensitive topic on the wiki, but still, I'm very curious about why some of the admins are simping Hololive girls.

You know what they say... "Weebs tend to be weird. What did you expect?"

- Allistayrian

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If I tell it to parse and render the following text, it outputs this message...
 * Unable to transfer content: Error contacting the server for conversion between wikitext and HTML. Please check your Internet connection or try again later if the problem persists. If you still get this error please file a bug

and if I try to add the topic, it gives me an error... However, if I try to create a topic with much fewer characters (about 10-30 characters), it accepts that. Strange...

Is it because of the recent update? 🦖️ my Name is Katsumi (BA↗RI↘BA↗RI↘)    talk    contributions  03:26, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * It works for me, so its probably about the wikitext entered in your topic  Anpang 📨 03:49, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Your "test" is 192 characters long. Mine is, approximately twice as long as your "test". 🦖️ my Name is Katsumi (BA↗RI↘BA↗RI↘)</rp>  <div style="background:black;display:inline;padding:.3em .65em;border-radius:1.2em;font-size:.88em;font-family:FOT-Fate_Go Skip B,serif;">KamenRiderRevice-logo.webp  talk  <div style="background:black;display:inline;padding:.3em .65em;border-radius:1.2em;font-size:.88em;font-family:FOT-Fate_Go Skip B,serif;">KamenRiderRevice-logo.webp  contributions  04:11, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Mathematically speaking, 192 to 370 is exactly one time higher, being not that far off, particularly in terms of characters. On the subject of the bug, he claims it is caused by your connection. Anyway, if this persists, I suggest opening a ticket in the phabricator because the extension. --YellowFrogger (Talk — ✐) 04:35, 3 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Geeze, the signature formatting in this section... Anyway, I tested locally with a block of my own and your post, and the issue here is either temporary or local . At this point issues actually don't have much to do with the version upgrade. Rather the migrations Miraheze is performing to new hardware, which started not long after the update. While it may have been your connection, I can't rule out that you might have been struck with one of the temporary glitches Found the error, investigating locally. Per the local post, all I can advise right now is patience; unless a persistent bug can be reported, Miraheze Tech is not well equipped to resolve the various phantom issues that are occurring around this time. They are inevitable during the upgrade process, which from what I hear can/will extend into early next month. --Raidarr (talk) 10:25, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Upon conferring with SRE and doing more tests, the trouble is images. The migrations I mentioned above have specifically made images the most unstable part of Miraheze right now, and trying to post the images into a dynamic form like StructuredDiscussions will cause it to fail. I'd suggest making the post without them and being light on their use in general until the migration is complete and SRE gives word to that effect. Issue is known and basically unfixable right now; no point filing a phab task unless SRE advises it in this thread. --Raidarr (talk) 10:57, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Upcoming changes and performance issues
Valued Miraheze community members,

As you all know very well, Miraheze's commitment to our users is to provide the best MediaWiki hosting for free. In keeping with that commitment, Miraheze is pleased to announce our newest data centre, SCSVG! Instead of renting out servers, Miraheze will finally own it's own hardware for the first time ever. With the addition of this data centre to our server lineup, we will be able to offer our users a much better, faster and smoother experience. For more information on this, please checkout this Phabricator post.

In light of that, we have begun the migration process to our new servers. As you all probably know, Miraheze has faced some performance issues these past few months as we've outgrown our current servers. These new servers will hopefully resolve most if not all of the issues we've faced in the past few months regarding performance (including 502 "Bad Gateway" and 503 "Backend fetch failed" errors). In the process of migrating however, you will likely notice (and probably already have noticed) degraded performance and increased error rates. The migration has exacerbated our current performance issues as, on top of having to serve normal user traffic, some of our current servers are now also copying their files over to the new servers which means that there's an increased strain on them. This means you may notice 502 and 503 errors on some pages which loaded before, especially those pages with lots of images or templates. During this period too, we may need to temporarily suspend some actions such as image-related actions and wiki requests/creations. During this migration period, it may become necessary to temporarily disrupt some processes such as image related actions and wiki creations/changes. It too may be necessary to temporarily disrupt service completely or place wikis on read-only mode. Should this be necessary (we will try to avoid any and all service disruption where possible), we will inform the community with a weeks notice before the disruption occurs.

We know how inconvenient this may be but our hope is that with these changes, we will hopefully resolve all (or at least most) of the performance issues which have plagued Miraheze for these past few months. As always, we thank you for being part of the Miraheze community and we hope to be able to serve you all better in 2022. If you have any questions regarding this, please do not hesitate to reply to this thread or ask on our Discord/IRC channels.

On behalf of Site Reliability Engineering, Agent Isai (talk) 09:59, 3 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for the message. This has answered to my question. Kind regards. Hugo Ar (talk) 12:24, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Is there a specific time of the day when the servers are less busy? I need to make approximately 200 edits (with responsible pause between them, e.g. 60 seconds) that update Cargo tables (this wiki has software documentation, and new version of this software was released today). Edward Chernenko (talk) 15:13, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Server performance issues are generally random and are not always tied to server busyness or idleness so we can't really give a timeframe for when it would be best for you to do those edits. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 15:19, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Glad you noticed this error, which happens every day (and complicates saving edits). And we hope to get a new server in 2022, as promised. --YellowFrogger (Talk — ✐) 15:36, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * It's a good thing Miraheze is improving its servers, since Miraheze is the last good wiki host left. Also it is good that this is supposed to be finished by the end of January. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 22:23, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, and we can see more about that at our blog --YellowFrogger (Talk — ✐) 22:32, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Yet another interwiki request
At this writing, the Constant Noble site is missing wmf (foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/$1), a relic from my 2010s Referata tenure. Hopefully my pledge to receive interwiki adminship doesn't go unnoticed this time here... Routhwick (talk) 09:12, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Routhwick Agent Isai has done the interwiki prefix for you, but what do you mean by your pledge to receive interwiki adminship doesn't go unoticed? Have you posted an election request on Constant Noble Wiki for local interwiki administrator, to be granted by Stewards? Dmehus (talk) 09:20, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * So far, I have been the only editor on my wiki (out of 29 registered users). --Routhwick (talk) 09:39, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Routhwick, oh, have you started a local permissions request or election for local interwiki administrator yet? Note that you are not required to have any persons express a view. An election by acclamation is possible. You just need to start the permissions election request locally, then wait about 5-7 calendar days, then head to here. Dmehus (talk) 09:46, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Not yet. So how exactly do I go ahead? (I'm assuming I'd have to do it in the Project namespace, right?) --Routhwick (talk) 10:04, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Routhwick, yeah, you could create like a page called  or something, in   namespace, then have sections for each type of local permission and who grants them and any local prerequisites/conditions you want to have. Then you could make subpages for each of those local user groups, and transclude them on your   page. Dmehus (talk) 10:27, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

How can I add collapsible blocks?
How can I add collapsible blocks in my wiki, like that: https://trimirdi.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Randomsidebar ?

Thanks. RedFox (talk) 14:06, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I saw that there is a failed TemplateStyles tag up there. First, you will have to add the extension "TemplateStyles" in Special:ManageWiki/extensions of your wiki. --YellowFrogger (Talk — ✐) 16:13, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I saw in Special:Version that it is active, you will have to create the page "Module:Sidebar/styles.css". --YellowFrogger (Talk — ✐) 16:17, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Is it possible to add collapsible text without using CSS? RedFox (talk) 17:13, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello RedFox. I already spoke with your coworker about this. Please read this. Some configuration details are missing. In Phabricator there are specialized people trained to solve it. Create an account there and explain what happens. There are more details in the link. Kind regards. Hugo Ar (talk) 18:20, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, @Hugo Ar, thanks for your answer, I'm not sure that's what I need, see my answer to @YellowFrogger. RedFox (talk) 19:11, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Do not worry. You don't need to know CSS, just copy the content from Wikipedia, it will work on your wiki. Try this. --YellowFrogger (Talk — ✐) 18:26, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * @YellowFrogger, I don't want to use any content from Wikipedia for the moment, my goal is like that: I'm going to create a collection of math problems with their solutions. Some people might want to solve the problems by themselves, so they won't want to see the solutions and the answers immediately. So, I need collapsible text paragraphs which people can open in they want. Is there an easy way to do it? RedFox (talk) 19:05, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete this page here and restore it with the same content. --YellowFrogger (Talk — ✐) 18:34, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * @RedFox Would this page about collapsible elements help you for what you want to do? Basically you would add the mw-collapsible class to what you want to be collapsible. K599 (talk) 20:45, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * That's what I need, thanks! RedFox (talk) 14:35, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

IP Masking
Hi. The WMF is going to hide IP addresses of unregistered users. What will be its effects on Miraheze? --Magogre (talk) 03:07, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * “MediaWiki docs don't make it clear if it'll be togglable for on MediaWiki or what the default behavior is so frankly, I don't know the impact it'll have on us” -- Agent Isai --YellowFrogger (Talk — ✐) 03:26, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * There are a lot of questions that I'd have about this feature that just are not documented yet, so it's hard to say until this feature is actually implemented. I suspect we'll have to wait for it to be fully released before we can make any decisions, and then, I'm pretty sure we'll have an RfC to determine how exactly this feature will be used on Miraheze. -- Void  Whispers 04:22, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Why I can't create a page with some text from the beginning?
I want to create many similar pages with some standard blocks. But only an empty page can be created. Is there something wrong with the template? https://mathzadachi.miraheze.org/wiki/%D0%A8%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BD:%D0%9D%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%B0 RedFox (talk) 17:30, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * If you're asking how to use input boxes to create pages with the editor having text to start, you would put  inside your   enables a secondary section in the categories box which lists all the parent categories of the categories that a page belongs to, specifically in a breadcrumb hierarchy. So... In the hopes that I understand correctly... A page with the feature might look something like this:

Categories : Foo | Bar | Baz Encyclopedia → Articles → Foobar → Foo

Encyclopedia → Articles → Foobar → Bar

Encyclopedia → Articles → Baz


 * -- dross (t • c • g) 07:01, 10 January 2022 (UTC)


 * I would just like to note that there will likely be no loss of functionality with this change. When 1.38 comes around the configuration variable will be removed, however we can install the new CategoryExplorer extension which maintains this behavor. 20:46, 13 January 2022 (UTC) ］ |

Wiki name change
Hi, my wiki is called Ornithopedia, and I would like it to be changed to Spacepedia. The original link address is ornithopedia.miraheze.org and my requested link address is spacepedia.miraheze.org. --DoveTheWingedWarrior (talk) 01:49, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Please make domain change requests at Phabricator. --YellowFrogger (Talk — ✐) 01:54, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * DoveTheWingedWarrior, as your wiki was only just recently created and had zero content on it, I have ✅ it for you, as I see no reason in creating a make work project for SRE to migrate a wiki database with zero content into a new wiki database name. Please, instead, request a new wiki on your new subdomain, and wiki creators will review it in due course. Do take care, too, to choose a finalized subdomain and define a clear purpose, scope, and topic. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 02:16, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Change in links for blocked users
I noticed that the links to the user page, including contributions etc, changed for users who were blocked on a wiki, being underlined and italicized, which I noticed only on Miraheze wikis. If it was Miraheze that made this change, why and for what purpose? --YellowFrogger (Talk — ✐) 11:44, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I meant strikethrough, not "underlined" --YellowFrogger (Talk — ✐) 11:48, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Hmm? User:Examknow
 * Doesn't seem to be like that for me <span style="display:inline-block;border:2px solid #bfff00;border-radius:8px;background-image:linear-gradient(to bottom right, #75ff75, #ffff80)"> Anpang 📨 11:56, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * See the list of contributions from a blocked user in Desktop version. --YellowFrogger (Talk — ✐) 12:16, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Nothings wrong.jpg nothings wrong to me <span style="display:inline-block;border:2px solid #bfff00;border-radius:8px;background-image:linear-gradient(to bottom right, #75ff75, #ffff80)"> Anpang 📨 12:23, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * , it is not necessary to upload files for simple things. You may like to use Imgur. Magogre (talk) 12:46, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * , it is not a change by Miraheze. You have a script enabled in your /global.js which marks all blocked users as such. If you don't want this, remove the line two of your /global.js. Magogre (talk) 12:38, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, I think that's what tricked me again since I enabled it preferentially that option. --YellowFrogger (Talk — ✐) 13:00, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Directors Meeting, January 14th, 2022
Hi everyone,

This is notice of the next meeting of Miraheze Limited's Board of Directors on January 14th, 2022. You can view the agenda here. Any further discussion points for the Board are always welcome.

On behalf of the Board, Owen (talk) 19:46, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

What does that mean
It's been a while since I noticed that in the Requests comments section of requesting a wiki, there are comments from, probably, a robot, which comments on random things like "Approval Score : (Random number)", and I don't quite understand what this Approval score is, (the wiki request score? or the wiki creator's decline/acceptance?). I don't understand this score provided by this "robot" (robot because it's probably tested for automated wiki creation according to what I saw in a community wishlist). If someone who knows more than me, explaining what "Approval score" is, I would be grateful. --YellowFrogger (Talk — ✐) 20:24, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Indeed, the "Approval score" comment is done by the CreateWiki AI. Based on the past 2000 wiki requests, the AI compares the request to them and assigns it a score from 0.01 to 1.0 depending on the request's perceived quality. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 20:30, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * So now I know this is a study (if there was a chance to automatically create wikis higher scores would be accepted). Therefore, there are requests with high scores that are declined. More reason to not have an option to create wikis automatically, other than removing "jobs", of course. --YellowFrogger (Talk — ✐) 20:42, 11 January 2022 (UTC)