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Slow servers / and/or/ slow to login.
Hello. Unfortunately, today 22 January, Miraheze servers were ridiculously slow today, as shown in the section above. It seemed to stabilize now, and has improved (previously it was really good until today). So, one part that has always intrigued me since the day of the update is that it takes a long time to log in to Miraheze (most of the time, 502 bad gateway errors occur). It takes up to several seconds to complete the login, eventually a 502 occurs, which when it occurs we have to fill out the form again and try again! And ball for another eternity. Honestly, I expected more after the migration. The servers may even have been improved (decreasing the delay), but not in the case of login. What is your opinion on this? Does this happen to you? (delay when logging in). --YellowFrogger ( talk ) ( ✔ ) 21:30, 22 January 2022 (UTC)


 * As you yourself know very well from the discussions on Discord, stuff happens. Computers will be computers and there'll always be little blips that will occur. This'll hopefully pass soon and there is really no need to make a thread to discuss this unless it's persistent and even then, a discussion on Discord/IRC would probably be better than a Community noticeboard thread. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 21:46, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * When you mentioned computers I prefer to think that you cited an example: my computer is not so good, but not so bad either. "No need to make a thread to discuss this unless it's persistent", actually this has been going on for days, and it's probably persistent. --YellowFrogger ( talk ) ( ✔ ) 22:14, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

A problem with Phabricator
I went on Phabricator, and it told me to click the MediaWiki button below and connect with my Miraheze wiki account. However, there are multiple problems: FatBurn0000 (sandbox | CentralAuth) 23:42, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) There is no "MediaWiki button", or at least, I don't know what they're talking about.
 * 2) They claim that my username and password is invalid for some reason.
 * 3) They say that my username and password is incorrect.
 * The passwords and username are invalid because you don't have a phabricator account. You must accept the OAuth permission, then it will log in by itself. What do you mean there isn't a MediaWiki button? I believe it's confusion of Fat because it's happened to me to disappear (after I fill in the login form). --YellowFrogger ( talk ) ( ✔ ) 00:22, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Just to make sure, I've outlined the area that's necessary to click first after hitting the login button. It's the only valid one to use and if you don't see it, something is wrong. I know it was down for some time after transition, but that was fixed. If you still don't see it, you may need to reset your cache for miraheze/phabricator or on desktop, hit alt+f5 to force a refresh. --Raidarr (talk) 11:38, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Create a specific AN for incident reporting
I recently made a RfC explaining to terms a new noticeboard that would especially fit the blocks (global and local) and incident reports in Meta. However, all voted against, with one user citing "not against the idea, plus the fact of an RfC for it" as well as another opponent (3–4 of votes are mixed, two cite not against the idea, another quotes "Per", but has supported the idea in the past). Definitely weak consensus, let's say. Where do I get this? If I don't need an RfC. I wish I had an answer. --YellowFrogger ( talk ) ( ✔ ) 06:31, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * YellowFrogger, Special:IncidentReports actually already exists for this very thing; however, SRE, admittedly, has not been keeping up with IRs of late. Dmehus (talk) 06:34, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * YF's meaning is specifically for incidents involving blocks and locks, not the technical reports per the linked special page. --Raidarr (talk) 09:05, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I actually have more opinion on that - there should be a new channel in the discord server and a new IRC channel for that (if #cvt doesn't already do that).  Anpang 📨 09:39, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The #cvt channel does, and is typically the first destination for that. --Raidarr (talk) 09:58, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Cannot login to Phabricator
I currently cannot login to Phabricator. First, there is no "MediaWiki" button at https://phabricator.miraheze.org/auth/start/?next=%2F. Second, when I try to login to Phabricator using my GitHub account, an error like the following is shown:

Unhandled Exception ("HTTPFutureCURLResponseStatus")

[cURL/7] (https://github.com/login/oauth/access_token)  The cURL library raised an error while making a request. You may be able to find more information about this error (error code: 7) on the cURL site: http://curl.haxx.se/libcurl/c/libcurl-errors.html#CURLECOULDNTCONNECT

So, when will logging in to Phabricator start working again (with both the "GitHub" and the "MediaWiki" buttons shown)? GTrang (talk) 22:26, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Now, the "MediaWiki" button is back (and logging in using the Miraheze account works), but logging in using the GitHub account still gives the same error message regardless of whether I was logged in on Miraheze or not. This issue has been reported at T8617. GTrang (talk) 23:24, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Phabricator is being wonky lately. I'm sure someone is working on this. 29TB (talk) 20:26, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * @GTrang As of right now, logging in using the MediaWiki button works, and it goes through Miraheze, as usual. I was informed the Github button is not the one to use (disabled or non-working because it doesn't use Miraheze username or associate to a Miraheze account they can follow), in case that is helpful. | -- FrozenPlum  (Talk / Email)

Importing templates
Hello guys, Could someone please help me out? I am having trouble importing templates to my Wiki, I tried both the export/import method and the copypaste method, they do not work for me, and I am not skilled enough to make templates on my own. I would like to have two templates on my Wiki: The birth date and age template seems especially confusing even though I thought it would be an easy one as it seems just a calculator template. I would need these two for my Wiki, I don't know if someone has time and is willing to help me with it, I would be very grateful. ShaytonSky (talk) 20:44, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * https://template.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_person
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Birth_date_and_age
 * It seems these templates also rely on Modules to be imported. Also, when importing something from another wiki try to make sure you import everything it depends on. I could try to help out here shortly if you'd like. Hypercane  (  talk ) 21:16, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Uh-oh, if Moduls are involved I give it up, that is extremely hard to even understand for me, not to mention editing them... Would it be easier to create an infobox and an age calculator from zero on my wiki? Would it be even possible? Thank you very much by the way. --ShaytonSky (talk) 21:36, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I would think creating it from scratch or perhaps even checking the edit history of the template(s) would be optimal. I'm pretty sure in the edit history there's a version that didn't rely on modules. Hypercane  (  talk ) 21:57, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I tried checking several old versions of the Birth date and age template, but all revisions sound like they were written in Chinese to me, I understand nothing about those expressions, values, incorporated templates etc. I never thought it would be this complicated, I thought it would be a simple copypaste from another wiki... It seems like I have two choices left: I either commission someone who is professional in this field and can make the templates for me, or I give up this stuff entirely and create infoboxes 'manually' by filling in empty wikitables or such. They would be ugly, but I know no better option unfortunately. --ShaytonSky (talk) 22:12, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm sorry about that. I am still willing to help you in any way I can. Could I perhaps give this a try? Hypercane  (  talk ) 22:16, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your help and your offer, of course you can give it a try if you want to, I would really appreciate it! --ShaytonSky (talk) 22:23, 23 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Alright, I'll give it my best shot. Thank you. Hypercane  (  talk ) 22:25, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm following up to essentially mark this as . I hope you have fun with the template(s) and your wiki! Also, please don't hesitate to reach out to me if you need more assistance. Hypercane  (  talk ) 02:40, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

User groups disappeared
Hi! In Miraheze, there was an update that redirects all groups (on all wikis, even though they have a page for it) to User groups. In mine, and in many wikis, there was a bug that eliminates user groups!, see an example in this wiki. Passing by to inform about it. Thanks! --<span style="background:linear-gradient(90deg,#89005E,#89005E, #FF00AF); -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">YellowFrogger ( talk ) ( ✔ ) 21:53, 24 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Hmm, that's strange indeed. I would definitely pass this on to Phabricator for instance as this does not seem normal at all. Hopefully it gets resolved for you. Hypercane  <font color="#8152C6">(  talk <font color="#8152C6">) 21:56, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm still wondering if this is really suitable for phabricator (or if there's a task in progress). It really is weird. --<span style="background:linear-gradient(90deg,#89005E,#89005E, #FF00AF); -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">YellowFrogger ( talk ) ( ✔ ) 02:09, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * We noticed that issue occur on another wiki but strangely, it does not affect some wikis. I'll forward this to SRE. Thanks, Agent Isai  Talk to me! 02:12, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Change the appearance of audio files?
Hi there, My audio files appear in a gray form that I don't like as you can see here : https://fiction.miraheze.org/wiki/Fichier:Youre-too-slow.ogg But I would like them to appear as in the form here : https://www.pokepedia.fr/Fichier:Cri_4_d_025.ogg Thanks in advance for your help. Darkrai18 (talk) 12:46, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * This is not normal? See an example at Wikimedia Commons of an OGG file. I myself have uploaded OGG files and they were like this. --<span style="background:linear-gradient(90deg,#89005E,#89005E, #FF00AF); -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">YellowFrogger ( talk ) ( ✔ ) 17:43, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * It's really strange. I'd really like to find a solution to fix this. Darkrai18 (talk) 21:10, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * At Special:ManageWiki/extensions > media handlers tab, change from extension TimedMediaHandler to extension EmbedVideo --Rob Kam (talk) 14:26, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Hiding the "Donate to Miraheze", "Hosted by Miraheze" and "Powered by MediaWiki", and how to change the Terms of Use direct to my own one on my own wiki?
How do I hide stuff like "Donate to Miraheze", "Hosted by Miraheze", "Powered by MediaWiki", and change the Terms of Use to direct to my own Terms of Use (I've seen this before!) TheWiki (talk) 15:06, 26 January 2022 (UTC)The W1ki


 * @TheWiki You can't hide Donate to Miraheze or Hosted by Miraheze. Why would you want to? SoyokoAnis  15:42, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello! To hide the Powered by MediaWiki and hosted by Miraheze buttons, use li#footer-poweredbyico { display: none;} in your wiki's MediaWiki.common.css, and to hide the links in the Terms footer de Uso and Donate to Miraheze, use; li#footer-places-termsofservice { display: none;} (to hide the terms of use link) and li#footer-places-donate { display: none;} ( to hide the Donate to Miraheze link). But the question remains: why do you want to hide the links of "Donate to Miraheze", and that will not only help Miraheze, as only the servers of all wikis, including yours, donations help the servers to be more fast. I have the impression that you are trying to hide that your wiki is Miraheze, or simply assuming that they are "Wordmark". I would be more embarrassed to host a wiki on FANDOM. --<span style="background:linear-gradient(90deg,#89005E,#89005E, #FF00AF); -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">YellowFrogger ( talk ) ( ✔ ) 18:25, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Additionally, you can change the page that "Terms of Use" links to by changing MediaWiki:Termsofservicepage. However, should you change the "Terms of Use" link, I would advise you link inside your new Terms of Use page a link to the global Terms of Use (all users are bound it and all global policies). And on top of that, I am also curious why one would wish to hide the "Donate to Miraheze" button. We are, after all, a free service that runs exclusively on donations. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 19:14, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Nobody would want to Donate to Miraheze, I do not want people to waste their money on a free Wiki hosting service. Also, I'm not trying to hide it, they would still see the domain name anyway. TheWiki (talk) 02:45, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * It may be a free wiki hosting platform, but to host something like Miraheze is most definitely not free. I don't know the specifics on how much it costs to run a site like this though it probably is a lot. So if people want to donate it would help them out too. As for your statement on "nobody would want to donate to Miraheze" that is quite honestly false. People have donated and will most likely continue to donate. All in all, I don't mind you want to potentially get rid of the donation link on your wiki...but please don't say it's a waste to donate because it is not. Hypercane  <font color="#8152C6">(  talk <font color="#8152C6">) 02:52, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * There are people who donate to Miraheze (see Finance page, for example). Also, the donations are done to keep Miraheze well, I would donate if I had the money as it offers voluntary service unlike wiki farms like ShoutWiki (which puts a bitter price on removing ads) or FANDOM. So it's not mandatory, but it's necessary, because the site doesn't have ads and only survives on that. That's why I recommend that you keep this link in the footer, it's better for everyone. --<span style="background:linear-gradient(90deg,#89005E,#89005E, #FF00AF); -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">YellowFrogger  ( talk ) ( ✔ ) 02:53, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Issue with infoboxes
Hello! It's not the first time that I ask for help with this particular issue. The other attempts on my part did not lead anywhere, as no Steward could offer any help due to a lack of information from my part. In anycase, that's a mistake that I don't intend on commiting this time.

After importing some .xml files from other wikis, I somehow managed to break all infoboxes, as shown on this link: (It's a Imgur link with screenshots).

Any help is extremely appreciated. -- IvanCastroTheFool (talk) 21:58, 24 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Still waiting. -- IvanCastroTheFool (talk) 14:34, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * So firstly, please note that this is actually a matter for the Community noticeboard. Aside from that I can try to render some assistance here, moving to the community noticeboard if you would like. Since the wiki this is on is private I cannot troubleshoot directly. Breaking the infoboxes indicates something from your imports overwrote them or some component of them. A key culprit may be your MediaWiki:Common.css file. If it was overwritten, you may have your problem right there, otherwise I'd look into old versions of the infoboxes and any content that affects them in styling. --Raidarr (talk) 09:25, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Right. Thanks for the help, in any case. I would be extremely grateful about moving this to the Community noticeboard, if that isn't too much trouble. And, in any case, I could make the wiki public to help with troubleshooting. Again: Thanks for the help. -- IvanCastroTheFool (talk) 10:06, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Quiz about wiki creations
Some user (preferably WC), can do a quiz on example wiki requests and I'll try to get it right (approve/decline). Thanks! --<span style="background:linear-gradient(90deg,#89005E,#89005E, #FF00AF); -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">YellowFrogger ( talk ) ( ✔ ) 02:48, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Looks like nobody cares --<span style="background:linear-gradient(90deg,#89005E,#89005E, #FF00AF); -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">YellowFrogger ( talk ) ( ✔ ) 16:24, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Just because nobody responded (yet), doesn't mean nobody cares. Everyone has their own lives. 29TB (talk) 20:23, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Fact. Therefore, because it is unwilling. There are things for them to solve in Meta, and that takes time. They're not so interested in doing. --<span style="background:linear-gradient(90deg,#89005E,#89005E, #FF00AF); -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">YellowFrogger ( talk ) ( ✔ ) 20:30, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I intended to assemble an odd 5-6 interesting edge cases for this prompt, but I must admit it is not at the top of my list, mainly because on my part it will entail some digging to get appropriate historic scenarios. I'm particularly interested in prompting for those which have a degree of disagreement between wiki creators, as to better test discretion and offered rationale. --Raidarr (talk) 20:37, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I didn't quite understand your comment. But I was wondering what exactly "odd 5-6 interesting edge cases" means. I'm inclined to know how a wiki request is handled, not least because I think my knowledge is far, far from limited. --<span style="background:linear-gradient(90deg,#89005E,#89005E, #FF00AF); -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">YellowFrogger ( talk ) ( ✔ ) 20:44, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The quiz is created here. I opted to add a few more to be comprehensive and make a process that more fully encompasses how requests work. Feel free to address answers at your own time. It's a lot at once, but response time is not an element in the scenario. --Raidarr (talk) 22:02, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Problem with templates in visual editor
I wanted to make templates for a character in a story, with infoboxes (using Portable infoboxes), sections describing them, etc. I created a template for "Character", but once I embed it on a normal page and want to edit it with VisualEditor, I can't do it. Once you click on it, it becomes highlighed, and you can't type anything or edit it in any way. I can't edit it with source code, because it appears only as Template:Character, without its contents. I searched MediaWiki manual but did not find anyone who would have this problem. This is how it looks like: https://ibb.co/X7LVSRt Could someone help me out? Ozymphoenix (talk) 15:42, 29 January 2022 (UTC)


 * What happens if you click "Edit" (the blue button on the right) when the template is selected? It should allow you to edit some of the template's values? Agent Isai  Talk to me! 16:57, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I did a bit of digging and managed to partially fix the problem. I separated the infobox and the rest of the article as separate templates. Then I added every value from the source code to TemplateData and can now freely edit the infobox. However, when I do the same to the rest of the article (where there is just regular headings, text itd), changes are not visible in the article. Ozymphoenix (talk) 18:02, 29 January 2022 (UTC)