User talk:Msnhinet8


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 * 歡迎與我討論喔!--Msnhinet8 (talk) 13:49, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Small change to the RequestWiki UI
Hi,

Just letting you know that there's been a small change to the RequestWiki UI this morning and you can check the new steps to take here.

Mainly wanted to note that you can leave the reason field blank if you are approving a request, as it will automatically link to the request.

Also would like to note that declining is now also done via the "Handle request" section rather than a separate one.

-- MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 10:03, 22 September 2020 (UTC)


 * ok, thanks.--Msnhinet8 (talk) 01:10, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Question about enabling Flow on a wiki
Hi, staff can you enable on my wiki Flow extension? thanks.--Msnhinet8 (talk) 00:57, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Firstly, please note I have procedurally moved your question from Requests for adoption to your user talk page, where it is now in scope. Secondly, you may enable StructuredDiscussions (Flow) on your wiki in Special:ManageWiki on your wiki. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 01:07, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

哈囉！
哈囉！ --列维劳德 (talk) 09:32, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello
Hello, I am Matttest. I represent the Chinese Gyaanipedia community to welcome you to join and edit Chinese Gyaanipedia. Besides, I can see your efforts in creating new pages at different wikis, especially the Chinese ones. You would be really helpful if you can help editing Chinese Gyaanipedia! If you have further inquiries about this, ask at here or at my user talk page at meta or Chinese Gyaanipedia. If you want to become an admin, Read our page about adminship here and request it in the last section. Thank you! —-Matttest (talk) 08:35, 24 October 2021 (UTC)


 * 我已經回復，Thanks. Msnhinet8 (talk) 12:47, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Creating many wikis for yourself
Hi. I've noticed that you have been creating a lot of wikis for yourself lately, and very few wikis for other users. Please note that while there is no written policy for this, the idea of a wiki creator is that they create wikis for other users, not exclusively for theirself as this contrary to the spirit of wiki creators' mission. While it is fine to create an occasional wiki for yourself instead of requesting it, it is in my view not appropriate to to do excessively and with very short descriptions. I would therefore ask you to stop creating wikis for yourself at this time and instead request them via Special:RequestWiki for another wiki creator to approve. I would also draw your attention to the fact that a discussion has been opened to allow Stewards to remove wiki creators that don't respect this principle. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 08:32, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

欢迎您编写语言百科
如题. Cnknowledge (talk) 11:31, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Your edit on Requests for global rights
Hi Msnhinet8,

I reverted your edit on Requests for global rights as your request for Global Sysop was malformed. I know you have expressed your desire to become a "staff" member but I do not think right now would be the right time for that. Global Sysop requires a high level of competency and community trust as it requires a vote in order to gain the bit. Many users have expressed concerns around your very lax wiki creation criteria and other aspects of your behavior such as impatience so I do sense that your request will SNOWball (fail to pass) by a very large margin. I would recommend you gain more experience and address any issues raised by community members before requesting any global right. Thanks. Agent Isai Talk to me! 03:01, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

请批准我的维基
谢谢！ PH~inactive (talk) 03:51, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Regarding request #23902
Hi Msnhinet8, I write to you to enquire about request #23902. Concern has been raised among wiki creators that this request should not have been approved or that it should have been forwarded to Stewards for handling. Additionally, concern was also raised by your usage of the "Perfect request" approval reason when the request lacked detail and was a duplicate. May I please know the reasoning behind this approval? Thank you. Agent Isai Talk to me! 02:05, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Re
The closure is made by another administrator, which argued with me for a long time. After I started a vote to his removal of administrators rights, he closed all wikis and threatened me that I must leave so that he will reopen the wiki. I don't have time debating with him now, since I am contributing to Chinese Gyaanipedia. He just want to make other users to hate me, because he closed the wiki because of me, even though this is completly wrong. It is him, without community consesus, closed the wiki. I have no intention to take over the wiki, what I want is to stop him abusing administartor's rights, or otherwise remove his sysop right. If this time my sysop right is removed and he is granted with 'crat right again, my time spent to reform uncyclopedia into a community-friendly website will be gone. What is left is that he will continue deleting pages saying that 'it is not uncyclopedia's style', keep adding contents that violates copyright, ignore user's opinions... I hope you don't stand on his side in this situation, if my sysop rights is removed, he will do anything he likes and removes anything he dislikes in the website, and this will affect you too. --Matttest (talk) 05:17, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * P.S. Just look at Chinese uncyclopedia (traditional chinese), users who don't have admin rights can influence on deletion of pages. Uncyclopedia (simplified chinese) on the other hand, even though they have more pages, is a dictatorship state that everyone could get blocked if they conflict with the dictator which is the sysop now. Feel free to support him if you want a wiki that is non-free. --Matttest (talk) 05:22, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * What I do is arguing with him with appropriate reasons, what he do is tyranny of majority. --Matttest (talk) 05:26, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

在網絡百科請求行政.
目前網站站務十分不完善，希望閣下給我權限，我會對內容進行改造. Wangluobaike (talk) 01:10, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Re
我不會阻止你繼續去協助黑底屍，但他濫權行為極為嚴重，希望你會知此事. —Matttest (talk) 12:56, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * 他封鎖偽基百科是因為我跟他爭論，你說這合理嗎？—Matttest (talk) 12:57, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

你現在在這裡有什麼權限
你也是系統管理員？--黑底屍 (talk) 01:20, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * 那你幫個忙，我想另外設立新的偽基文庫及偽基教科書，請你批准我的要求. --黑底屍 (talk) 01:34, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * 謝了，我會投票支持你成為全域的系統管理員.
 * 記得競選時過來拉票，我手上至少有兩票XDDDD--黑底屍 (talk) 01:41, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

我先提一個，先批准. --黑底屍 (talk) 01:45, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * 刪了就刪了，反正我了解miraheze是什麼態度了.
 * 我之後要新增其他偽基兄弟計畫的新站也不可能了.
 * 我在等待其他wiki農場的情況.
 * Miraheze的立場很不公正，無法讓人信任，雞蛋不能放在同一個籃子裡. --黑底屍 (talk) 03:15, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * 你先幫設置新的偽基文庫再說.
 * 偽基百科的主站點在這裡應該是移不走了，但分支出去的兄弟計畫可以分散在不同的地方. --黑底屍 (talk) 03:20, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * 天下沒有白吃的午餐，免費的伺服器通常不可靠，因為人家讓你免費試用一段時間就要收錢了，不給錢就直接無預警關站，讓你措手不及.
 * 除非你繳了年費租一台伺服器，那才算長久安穩. --黑底屍 (talk) 03:23, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * 話說你是誰？--黑底屍 (talk) 03:25, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * 我想起來了，我知道你很熱心，但你老是想找免費的伺服器，你的維基農場是辦不起來的.
 * 除非你向miraheze一樣，不定期向用戶請求捐助分攤伺服器的租金，否則你的維基家族是搞不起來的，當然你的維基家族真的企業化了，我是可以把偽基百科遷過去當你的招牌. --黑底屍 (talk) 03:33, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * 我是真的提醒你，還是老老實實花錢租一台商業用伺服器，然後可以向用戶要求幫忙分攤贊助租金，但你要確立一個收款支付系統.
 * 因為你的wiki農場是中文化的，也能吸收到中文圈的wiki用戶，搶其他wiki農場的生意.
 * 一台商業用伺服器的年費沒多少錢，我是不想花錢在偽基百科上，否則我老早就去租了，我又不是花不起這筆錢. --黑底屍 (talk) 03:42, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * 我的要求不高，我只想找個友善穩定的wiki農場.
 * Miraheze很顯然立場偏頗也不友善，而且它們的wiki系統受限很多，很多語法都不支援.
 * 我很期待你把你的維基家族搞起來，開wiki農場不是開慈善機構，你沒有人家fandom那樣有維基百科當靠山，所以可以玩免費的，況且fandom也開版面讓google登廣告.
 * 你不向用戶收錢就是開放版面給人登廣告，總之要有租金的來源，否則你就自己當善人自己花錢養wiki農場. --黑底屍 (talk) 03:53, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * 你弄出穩定的wiki再說，我知道你很慷慨也很肯授予權限，但是我不想把網站交給你協助架設維護了，過沒幾天因為試用期到了被無預警關站. --黑底屍 (talk) 05:22, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * 所以，你有什麼計劃？
 * 我之後的其他偽基兄弟計劃的新站，不會設在miraheze，反正我就算提出跟unbooks無關的新站要求也是一律否決.
 * 所以我對miraheze徹底死心了，說不定有更好的，我還會慢慢撤離遷站.
 * 你可以給穩定友善的環境，我就去贊助你，想玩wiki農場不要那麼小氣. --黑底屍 (talk) 05:58, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * 那得看你辦什麼網站？
 * wiki農場有什麼被人告的？
 * 當然如果你有一個伺服器可以提供借用，那就先將偽基文庫幫我架起來，偽基文庫的文章少，較不占空間.
 * 說不定還可以架兩個，偽基文庫及偽基教科書.
 * 網站架好了，確定不會某一天莫名其妙被無預警關站，我會將偽基的東西一點一點往你那裡搬. --黑底屍 (talk) 07:34, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * 對了，wiki的語言設置幫我設置為zh，這樣方便簡繁轉換. --黑底屍 (talk) 07:36, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * 這個你是專業，500GB是多大，這我也不清楚.
 * 但你要收容整個偽基的東西到你那裡，我看你得花錢租商業伺服器. --黑底屍 (talk) 07:44, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * 你的為人，我放心，但是就是怕你沒錢養不起一個wiki農場.
 * 但如果讓你花錢只養一個偽基系列的網站又說不過去，所以才讓你仿效miraheze向用戶籌募分攤租金的機制. 再不然就學shoutwiki賣版位出租廣告給google. --黑底屍 (talk) 07:52, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * 幹嘛一直要我的聯絡方式？這裡不方便聯絡嗎？
 * 我都不怕你我的對話讓誰看到了.
 * 你先將偽基文庫幫我弄出來，因為這一陣子的鬧劇鬧太久該結束了.
 * 確定你提供的伺服器空間是穩定不會被無預警關站，我們再到新站研究下一步.
 * 你是人太呆了，又老想玩免費的，真要搞偽基這麼大計劃的網站，是要花錢的. --黑底屍 (talk) 08:04, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * 你如果可以，順便爭取當系統管理員，除了批准可以設站的權限，也要有能關閉wiki的權限，到時候會有需要你幫忙的地方. --黑底屍 (talk) 08:12, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * 你適合當系統管理員，因為你熱心不計較得失，偽基放在你的地盤我不怕你的權限比我大，因為你不會拿權限來壓人，你只會傻傻的幫助他人來證明自己的價值.
 * 而不像某人啥都不會，官架子倒挺大的，只想著撿現成的. 活像是個紅土共. --黑底屍 (talk) 08:56, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * 我的密碼？直接po在那裡的討論頁上. --黑底屍 (talk) 18:10, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

你這種無私的胸襟不當系統管理員太可惜了，比起某個老想搞笑罷免別人卻沒本事接手經營的屁孩要好多了. 幫我開了帳號還授權了權限，但密碼啊？--黑底屍 (talk) 22:36, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * 到偽基百科去，我有話跟你說. 你可以進入偽基百科查看訊息. --黑底屍 (talk) 01:06, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * 我真的對你無言了，新站的事情不求你了，你還是跟以前一樣沒改，不可靠.
 * 難怪維基家族老辦不起來，玩沒三天就被關站.
 * 你當初找我去你的世界大典寫條目是什麼原因，你都想不起來. --黑底屍 (talk) 09:24, 12 May 2022 (UTC)


 * 動點腦子看看吧.
 * 如果我的miraheze帳號真的給Matttest給偷了，我直接就將偽基百科給解封就好了，還任命Matttest當行政員及管理員，然後將黑底屍的帳號給全部封禁就好了.
 * 還需要Matttest四處拉票去弄搞笑的罷免投票嗎？
 * 我是不是被盜帳號，系統管理員可以直接透過帳戶核查看得出登入的IP是不是同一組. 這麼簡單的事情都看不出.
 * 你這傢伙呆到沒救了，維基百科的事我幫不了你，我已經很久沒跟KJ聯絡了. --黑底屍 (talk) 10:28, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Regarding request #24528
Hi Msnhinet8. I am writing to enquire about your approval of. Why was this wiki approved? Per your comments on 黑底屍's talk page, you knew that there was a quarrel between 黑底屍 and Matttest regarding  but still allowed 黑底屍 to circumvent Stewards' current problem resolution process and made a new wiki for 黑底屍 which will likely be a direct content fork of the current wiki. The description was also very lacking and would at most be approvable with an "Okay request" message, not "Perfect request". I would like to know the thought process behind your approval. Thanks. Agent Isai Talk to me! 02:07, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Wiki creation, Stewardship, etc
Hello Msnhinet, this is a followup from your question (and my response) here.

Getting Stewardship and any other critical Miraheze position (the 'staff' as you can refer them to, even if the name isn't preferred) has a few critical requirements. 1, community trust. 2, strong discretion. 3, deep involvement.

The problem partially lies with 1 and 3 - you simply are not very well known, at least for being involved in either Meta or wider Miraheze communities. You have your projects and from time to time you appear to do wiki creations. This cannot get the trust needed to successfully ask for any serious position. You would even have an issue getting Wiki Creator today - the standards have raised since just being able to ask and get it fairly easily. That is part of the problem here; as the platform grows, so does its expectations.

A far larger problem lies in the middle though - judgement. See, every wiki request I have ever seen processed by you has been 'accepted as perfect', and the only requests I've seen you decline are ones where the software doesn't permit you to say yes - and in the meantime your decline reason is still 'perfect'. The reason field is not cosmetic - it is critical, especially in declining for both the wiki requestor and fellow wiki creators to know someone actually looked at it. In your approvals I see no evidence of review, of judgement. You as a wiki creator are the first line of approving content that suits global policies, and questioning/declining content that is unclear or problematic. How can you be trusted to enforce platform policies as a Steward if all you do as a wiki creator is breeze through the queue just approving requests without checking reason, the comments, the details? At that point we may as well auto approve automatically, and that is not what the system is for.

This is an issue that's been discussed informally a few times but never formally presented to you, for which I apologize. It is presented now. You must demonstrate judgement in reviewing wiki requests, or you inevitably accept things which could have been avoided as a problem, or you leave us with requests that tell us nothing but were approved anyway. See the above section asking about a wiki request where that was an issue.

If you change and put more consideration into reviewing wiki requests, your position as a wiki creator will improve and not be at risk, and if you improve consistently you may get the trust and involvement needed to become a more key part of the platform. I wouldn't look at Steward right away, but if you expand your involvement we can certainly use the help, and that is how you will get the trust you need to become an integral part of Miraheze.

Food for thought. If I have been unclear, please inquire. --Raidarr (talk) 00:17, 14 May 2022 (UTC)