User talk:Sparks34

Hi there. If you're having a problem registering with reCAPTCHA, what is it? I am currently moving a request to get it removed. Please let me know. Naleksuh (talk) 06:50, 18 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Well, clearly since I've now created the account for them, they aren't having a problem with ReCatpcha anymore. I also point out again that is isn't possible to remove ReCaptcha without providing for a viable alternative, which has not been done as of yet. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 06:59, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
 * It is very possible, you just don't want to. The alternative is either a new CAPTCHA or CheckUsers do their job, Wikimedia has been using the image captchas just fine. Naleksuh (talk) 07:01, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Comparing us to Wikimedia is completely inappropriate, they not only have 30 or 40 stewards but they also have many local CUs which are able to block bot ranges. Miraheze clearly does not have such capacities and our 4 Stewards cannot be expected to be able to block all bot ranges. You talk about a new Captcha, but as I said you haven't provided a viable one that was approved by the community, so until you do so I'm afraid the situation will stay the same, though as you would have seen on Phabricator we are working on fixing the current issues with ReCaptcha. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 07:34, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
 * reCAPTCHA is the issue, so the only way to "fix" it is to remove it. Sure, why don't you import a block list from Wikimedia? Naleksuh (talk) 07:36, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
 * As I keep saying, it will not be removed until a viable alternative is presented, I hope you don't expect us to simply remove ReCaptcha and let things be. Importing a block list from Wikimedia has been considered and would have been a good idea, the issue however is that we can't selectively import VPN/open proxy blocks as compared to blocks made for other reasons. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 07:39, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Uh, yes you can. Also, you keep talking about "alternatives", and "spam prevention" etc. This is a Miraheze PR and ethical standards problem. Miraheze can not, in good faith, require running proprietary JavaScript in order to create an account. Otherwise ethics and running a sustainable platform and not treating people like cattle has gone down the drain. Naleksuh (talk) 07:48, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
 * If you wish to make your proposals heard, you are free to open another RfC/community discussion about it, but you can understand that SRE is not going to make such a change based on the sole opinion of one user. I don't think there's any need to continue this conversation until SRE is presented with the community's view on the matter, since we clearly disagree. That being said, I would remind that the previous RfC resulted in the community not agreeing with the removal for ReCaptcha in favour of the other ones. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 07:52, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
 * @Naleksuh Miraheze is not Wikimedia. Please do not compare a wiki farm to a a group of encyclopedias. SoyokoAnis  14:50, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
 * +1 to that, SoyokoAnis. You are so right about that, and thank goodness for that. :) Dmehus (talk) 17:41, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Dmehus, you compare Miraheze to Wikimedia all the time. In fact, you were the one who started the trend of justifying actions here on English Wikipedia policy pages. Why is Miraheze to Wikimedia only a fair comparison to make if it goes along with your beliefs and not against them? Naleksuh (talk) 08:19, 24 February 2022 (UTC)