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Setting up my own wiki
Hello, I'm 54nd60x from English Wikipedia. As seen here, I want to create my own wiki to experiment with the MediaWiki software. I don't have a specific category for my planned wiki as I am still in the beginning of this stage and I want to experiment on my own first as there is still a lot I don't know about the MediaWiki software. I know that wikis can be created on other places as well like Fandom, but I don't have the developer rights and some interface pages I cannot edit. I want to be the founder of a wiki and don't know if Special:RequestWiki is most appropriate. Can you help me with this please? Thanks. 54nd60x (talk) 09:04, 16 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Welcome to Miraheze. I would say you want to check out Test wiki and request administrator rights as I think that's exactly in the field you're looking for, and when you have a wiki with a clear scope, consider putting in a request for that. As I'm aware new requests that are strictly for testing are preferred to consider the given link first. Otherwise if you do have a structured idea, Special:RequestWiki is the way to go. Hope it helps. --Raidarr (talk) 10:26, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Please note I have procedurally ✅ this thread from Administrators' noticeboard to community noticeboard, where it is now in scope. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 17:34, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Quick question, Is there a miraheze equvilent to fantendo?
Is there a miraheze equvilent to fantendo, I want to post fan ideas but dont want to join fandom after hearing the bad things (unless fantendo is one of the friendlier fandom communities) Glubbfubb (talk) 23:43, 15 July 2021 (UTC)GlubbfubbGlubbfubb (talk) 23:43, 15 July 2021 (UTC) Glubbfubb (talk) 23:43, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * There are places to create fanfiction and ideas (see Gazetteer of wikis), but I don't believe there is one exactly the way you mention. Not advertised anyways. One could always be made though. Otherwise Fantendo could work out alright if it feels decent (or naturally, if I've taken too long with this answer and you've gone there anyways). --Raidarr (talk) 19:31, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Broken show/hide buttons on infoboxes
On the wiki I am admin on, we have imported templates which use show/hide drop-down sections/lists, but for some time they do not seem to have worked and both the button and information within is simply not displayed at all (example), is there a fix for this? SpookyBoy (talk) 16:05, 18 July 2021 (UTC) SpookyBoy (talk) 16:05, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * This honestly looks like a bit too much of a mess (and is probably why there hasn't been much comment), but if it's any support and if you would be able to create a simple custom version, MediaWiki has a built-in hider class that I know works. mw:Manual:Collapsible_elements. In the meantime I can spread the question around depending if you'd like to use the simpler answer or try to make the imported wikipedia content work. --Raidarr (talk) 19:29, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

I need help
Hello, I would like some volunteers to help me in Mario Wiki. Greetings. Anthony8IA (talk) 17:51, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * For long term exposure I suggest including the wiki in the Gazetteer of wikis, including a note that the wiki is in Spanish. Hope it helps. --Raidarr (talk) 00:06, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Vandal until proved innocent?
I joined about an hour ago Miraheze has received praise, and why I joined, but operating a closed shop I might have made my last posting? PercyUK (talk) 18:20, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * tried to fix an infobox on a public wiki but told that my edits need moderation so can't see if have worked
 * read the these noticeboards and implied that Test Wiki is without restrictions. So tried to test a template. But has already deleted my module!
 * reading the Farmer log, creating a wiki to achieve the above, are being declined.


 * I wasn't sure whether or not that Module you created should stay or remain deleted, so I restored it, and will only let the Consuls decide what to do with it. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 18:22, 19 July 2021 (UTC)


 * As it's for testing, I wouldn't see why it's not allowed. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 18:25, 19 July 2021 (UTC)


 * It seems maybe DarkMatterMan4500 didn't see it was something made for testing. In the future, in your descriptions, add that it's for testing so that it's not mixed up in housekeeping. Additionally, your test wiki is being declined because we have that test wiki for testing. Sorry for the inconvenience and mix up! Agent Isai  Talk to me! 18:23, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * This has been largely answered, but I'll put a three-point summary;


 * 1) Note that Miraheze by design lets local administrators set up however they wish; a wiki may be more protected than usual, certain pages may have special protections or they would like to ensure newcomers are not vandals as a rule, therefore initial edits would need confirmation. Early on you would likely be confirmed as it would be clear you're not the type they're protecting against. If not it would be a strange wiki.
 * 2) Looks like a case of DarkMatterMan being overzealous as I see no reason from the outset why that template should be deleted. Explicit 'test' description should not be needed as it is a test wiki with open leeway for creation. A template is not an unusual case with extra steps, as strongly impled in the TestWiki testing policy.
 * 3) As much as this probably sucks to hear after being shafted with 2., the public test wiki is the intended place for testing to be done.
 * Apologies for the poor initial impression, I'm afraid it looks like a round of bad luck :/ --Raidarr (talk) 19:22, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Sincere apologies for any inconveniences caused by any action you've seen. I believe I believe when deleted your module, they thought it was one random spammer who just come to wikis to cause chaos, but trust me, now they know you're not, and they stated that they've already undeleted it since it shouldn't remain deleted. Welcome to Miraheze (if you're new) and I hope  will fix your abuse filter stuff soon. Ugochimobi (talk) 05:32, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Got blocked by the abuse filter for no reason at the Crappy Games Wiki

 * ''The following discussion is an archived discussion. Please do not modify it.
 * Unblocked.  —Mario Mario 456 01:22, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

I joined Miraheze two weeks ago and I wanted to edit a page on Crappy Games Wiki just to add an infobox on one of the pages on said wiki (https://crappygames.miraheze.org/wiki/Corvette_Evolution_GT) and I got wrongly blocked by the wiki's abuse filter for absolutely no reason other than a basic, unhelpful "general purpose spambot whipper" when I'm NOT a spambot and my edit got rejected. This is unfair because adding infoboxes is a good faith action and not spam. I'm a human editor that has been editing on Fandom (as Gagarsa05) for 6 years, the MarioWiki until 2021 (as Syncro263892XL), and Wikipedia (as Syncro26152XL) for 3 years. I believe the abuse filter on that wiki is broken because apparently other people were banned like this as well. I want to speak with a CGW admin about this wrongful block but I can't. Any help would be appreciated! TheGxbrielogic (talk) 19:28, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * and/or, both admins of CGW that appear here on Meta should be able to help straighten you out as well as address the filter. Unfortunately (I assume for an unusually high rate of bad-faith efforts) it's cranked up above normal out of an abundance of caution. --Raidarr (talk) 00:01, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Good news for you, you've been unblocked. DuchessTheSponge (talk) 00:03, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * For the record, I was the one who set up that spam-bot whipper abuse filter. I got it from the Celeste Wiki that a user is basically running. I'll make modifications to it so it won't be THAT broken. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 00:12, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for notifying us. DuchessTheSponge (talk) 00:13, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you! --TheGxbrielogic (talk) 00:17, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * No problem. :) DuchessTheSponge (talk) 00:20, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * ''The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it.

Does anyone use tabs extension?
Does anyone use the Tabs Extension and can link to a working example? This extension causes me some headache, things do not work as expected but this might be my fault, I would really apprechiate a link to a usage example, thank you very much --Lily talk and I will listen · Lilypond Wiki 19:16, 14 July 2021 (UTC)


 * FAMEPedia does. —Bu kk it 19:20, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your feedback, do you know a specific page which uses this extension? Famepedia has several thousand pages, and I do not know a way to find out where a specific extension is used. Maybe there is, --LilyLilyu - smile.svg talk and I will listen · Lilypond Wiki 20:17, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The main page. —Bu kk it 20:19, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the hint, I was looking for "tabs" (there is a slight difference between "tabs" and "tabber", they are different extensions), thus I could not find "tabs" on the main page. Tabber seems to work better anyway, so I think I will use tabber for my templates, greetings, --LilyLilyu - smile.svg talk and I will listen · Lilypond Wiki 06:46, 15 July 2021 (UTC)


 * We use both tabs and tabber on this page on All The Tropes. --Robkelk (talk) 14:28, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you greetings --LilyLilyu - smile.svg talk and I will listen · Lilypond Wiki 15:11, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * We use the dropdown functionality for our page credits, like on the top of this page Hb1290 (talk) 00:13, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Another import inquiry
After launching my next custom namespace, I'm about to do yet another import from ByetHost (my relaunched site's penultimate one). The original content had page titles structured like Snippet :0001, and on import, they should land as subpages in the new namespace (Corpus :Snippets/0001). Is it possible to port them that way? --Routhwick (talk) 08:22, 20 July 2021 (UTC)


 * If I got you correctly, you want to import pages Snippet:0001 but you want them to come into your wiki as subpage of Corpus:Snippets Ugochimobi (talk) 08:35, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yep. (To Looks like you had double-posting issues, too.) --Routhwick (talk) 08:41, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, if you are going to import from other wiki, there is an option: import as a subpage of the following page. You need to click that option and select the namespace (Corpus) and the page (Snippets) in which you want to port then. ~ Mazzaz (talk) 08:44, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * For double posting issue, it's mainly caused by network connection for me.
 * So yes you could do what you want by using the Special:Import. Ugochimobi (talk) 08:45, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Does Skin.css overwirte Common.css or is it the other way around?
I know this question sounds weird and most likely obvious but i basically wondered which css has the "higher" priority. For example if i change the settings for ".infobox" in monobook.css would it end up overwriting the settings from common.css for the MonoBook skin or would it end up keeping the settings from common.css and ignoring the settings in monobook.css? Just to make it clear i specifically mean for the MonoBook skin in that case. I am aware that monobook.css would not end up overwriting other skins. Smashidachi (talk) 09:43, 20 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Okay Nice question you know.
 * First of all, your wiki Common.css comes out to be the CORE CSS of your wiki, the same applies to your wiki's Common.js, They both stand as a CORE setting for your wiki.
 * Now, elaboratively, If you have styling in your wiki's Common.css, it's basically the styling for your wiki, regardless of the skin the user is using.
 * If you now put a different styling on a particular Skin.css, It works ONLY FOR THAT PARTICULAR SKIN.
 * So, summarily, The Common.css is a CORE styling for your wiki, while The Skin.css is a styling for that particular skin.
 * I sincerely hope this helps. Ugochimobi (talk) 10:15, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * it does thank you ^^ Smashidachi (talk) 10:20, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * It's alright. Ugochimobi (talk) 10:41, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

global.js does not work
Scripts on global.js page doesn’t work on any of my wiki. How can I resolve this? -Yahya (talk) 16:43, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * What error are you receiving? Agent Isai  Talk to me! 17:04, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Missing persons and runaways wiki
If you would like to help out, leave a message. Thanks. Herdtoxplain (talk) 00:25, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Requested Move 20 Jul ‘21
⇒⇒You are not allow(ed) to post comments - Commenting is not allowed for this article. With this code enforced since March 6 that disclaimer still remains unharmed. This is especially noticeable at Awesome Characters Wiki since the comments must be placed at bottom. It should be changed into the latter disclaimer. Crappy and Incredible Games might have to keep the former wording. Would it be a good choice? Yes the conversation about this was discussed last April. 2607:FB90:AA2B:EA81:10E6:10B2:CAAB:618A 00:51, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

いくつか、質問…
・ビューロクラットの復活について… ビューロクラットを削除したら利用者権限の変更ができなくなってしまったので、再度できるよう修復したいのですがどのようにすれば良いでしょうか、また一般ユーザーが利用者権限をいじれないようにするにはどうすればいいのでしょうか… ・コメント欄の追加について どうすれば良いでしょうか… 新居浜ありす (talk) 16:25, 21 July 2021 (UTC) 新居浜ありす (talk) 16:25, 21 July 2021 (UTC)


 * ＃1の場合、官僚にスチュワードによる復元を要求できます.
 * ＃2の場合、官僚が戻ってきたら、それを解決できると確信しています.
 * ＃3の[コメント]セクションでは、Extension：Commentを有効にしてからパーサーフックタグ  ' ' を使用するか、Extension：CommentStreamを有効にします. Ugochimobi (talk) 20:43, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

How do I get the wiki text from this API request?
I'm trying to create code to get the wiki text of of a page using this code:

I'm using the console to find the variables I need to access the source of the page but after I get to  I get a 0 and if I use , the code breaks so I have no idea how I'm supposed to get passed the 0. Тишина (talk) 23:11, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I strongly suggest you ask this on Discord or IRC where a user who's more knowledgeable on the subject will be able to help you. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 23:18, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Try . Joritochip (talk) 23:35, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * @Joritochip: Thanks! That works. Тишина (talk) 05:32, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Article count stuck at 0
On my wiki here, I noticed that the article count is stuck at 0. When the wiki was first created, I enabled the CommentStream extension and saved it, but immediately changed my mind and enabled the Comments extension and saved it instead. Since then, the count has remained at 0, despite the wiki having 3 articles at the time I wrote this. Is this a technical glitch? (Also, do you have a story you want to share? The wiki needs contributors, and it's the perfect place to share it. wink) Tali64³ (talk) 01:04, 22 July 2021 (UTC)


 * To get a article count, go to additional settings and look for links. Iron Sword 23 (talk) 01:08, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * This is because none of those pages contain a link to another page (see mw:Manual:Article count for more details). If you want the article count to include all pages, go to your wiki settings and change "Article Count Method" (under "Links") from "Link" to "Any". — Arcversin (talk) 01:14, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * On the device I edit on, it only works in the mobile view. Does it work in the desktop view to anyone? Tali64³ (talk) 01:20, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * What only works in the mobile view? — Arcversin (talk) 01:31, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The article count. Tali64³ (talk) 01:40, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Did you change the setting? If you did, try editing the articles and see if that fixes it. — Arcversin (talk) 01:41, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * It works now. Thank you! Tali64³ (talk) 02:23, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Special:Statistics is not instantly updated. It can take a while because of how it's processed. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  22:26, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

ManageWiki UX Change (SRE Request for Community Input)
It has come to our attention in the recent annual survey that the community wishes to be involved in a more active stance in changes done by Site Reliability Engineering. To accommodate this, we will be asking the community for their opinion before making large changes to our own extensions, such as ManageWiki UX changes.

We are now asking you, the community for your opinions on a UX change to get rid of the "Submit" tab in ManageWiki, and instead style the submit button and reason field, similar to the way Special:Preferences does it, making the Submit fields floating at the bottom of every tab.

This change was originally requested in T7125.

Please let us know of any opinions, support or opposition to this change.

Demo of how it will look should this change be deployed: http://imgur.com/a/T4lTdbG

Thank you,

Universal Omega 04:55, 21 July 2021 (UTC)


 * As I said in the Discord server, having the reason box and submit button in a separate tab never made sense to me. Joritochip (talk) 05:22, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * : Thank you for respecting the community by bringing this RfC to the CN, requesting for opinions. I strongly support this proposal because at first, not everyone will easily find the Save at it's current position. I have personally received lots of DMs on discord from wiki owners How to save the ManageWiki changes


 * You know, having the Save button at the bottom of every tab will unarguably be the best option to go for and both inexperienced ManageWiki users can easily save changes without stress. Thanks. Ugochimobi (talk) 06:14, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * – Looks like it is a good change. ~ Mazzaz (talk) 06:34, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Per Discord. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 07:35, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * per obvious reasons. &mdash;Lakelimbo (talk)&emsp; 15:12, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks good. — Arcversin (talk) 16:16, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Definitely a good change! --Ondo (talk) 16:23, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * ngl at first I was confused w/ separate save tab too KatozzKita (talk) 16:34, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Finally, improvements! --Icanttellyou (talk) 22:15, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * —Mario Mario 456 02:51, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

How do you display the logo icon on new Vector?
It's been a while since I have edited on my website and noticed there have been a few changes to the way Vector looks when not using legacy. I was wondering how you get the main logo icon to display next to the title just as it does here on Meta and on MediaWiki when unchecking legacy in Preferences → Appearance. Thanks. 22:23, 22 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Modern Vector splits the logo into 3 parts. All (icon, wordmark, etc) should be available in ManageWiki. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  22:25, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * When you have the "Icon ($wgIcon)" set, after disabling the Legacy, the Logo without a tagline (Icon ($wgIcon)) and the Wiki name will display at the top-left. Ugochimobi (talk) 22:35, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I was just looking in there and whilst they are labelled clearly, I'm not too sure exactly how I'm supposed to fill it in. Am I to fill in the word mark and the icon, and if so, how? I am somewhat rusty as I haven't been around for a long time.
 * So, can I just copy and paste the line from Logo ($wgLogo) in ManageWiki into Icon ($wgIcon) for the smaller logo to appear? 22:57, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Just copy and paste the static image link of the image you want to use as the Logo without Tagline ($wgIcon) and save. By then you should have exactly this. Ugochimobi (talk) 08:36, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I tried this last night and it worked. I just need to create the Wordmark but I don't have any software to create svg text images, unless some can direct me to free version somewhere. 10:02, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * You can use Inkscape I think. Ugochimobi (talk) 10:22, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I have looked at it and it looks like there's a lot to learn, could take me some time. Thanks for heads up though. 22:03, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I have looked at it and it looks like there's a lot to learn, could take me some time. Thanks for heads up though. 22:04, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

I need a little help
I was trying to upload a file here on Meta just for constructive purposes only, for some reason it won't let me. FranciscoLol2009 (talk) 13:34, 22 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure why you're facing issues uploading here on Meta though, because others can. Ugochimobi (talk) 11:54, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Unconfirmed users can't. at logs.  ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  12:32, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Can you please expand on what you mean by 'constructive purposes'? ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  12:34, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I was trying to make a template of: "This user is aspie" for my profile, because i'm an aspie, and when i tried to upload a picture related to Asperger's Syndrome, it didn't let me (Asperger's Syndrome is an type of Autism tho) FranciscoLol2009 (talk) 14:10, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * you need to be auto confirmed to upload images, I'm sure you're not, so just wait till 4days is reached since you created your account Ugochimobi (talk) 07:26, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Nvm, it already letted me FranciscoLol2009 (talk) 14:39, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
 * It's alright. Ugochimobi (talk) 14:41, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Recent Vector update broke my skin - any suggestions on unbreaking it?
A wiki I run had its skin break with the recent Vector update. Now some elements pop in late and the buttons are visually broken. Any suggestions on updating it so that they work as intended? Thanks in advanced!--Amelia (talk) 17:23, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Forgot t mention the things that broke. The header tabs that display the namespace of the article and its talk page start off as white for a split second and po in as purple.
 * The popup display when hovering over a link is white now instead of purple as it used to be.
 * The footer at the bottom of articles that displays when the edit was done + copyright information is much smaller than it used to be.
 * The line underneath 'MYTHOLOGY', 'PRODUCTION', etc on the sidebar used to be a dark purple but is now gray (#AAA or #CCC)

Any idea on how to fix these?


 * The new vector update broke many wikis' CSS unfortunately. What I did to debug it was use a Live CSS editor to debug it. You can also solicit help on our Discord or IRC where our talented volunteers can assist you in fixing the CSS. Thanks! Agent Isai  Talk to me! 18:20, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

SRE Security Disclosure
Hello,

A member of Miraheze SRE was made aware as part of ongoing monitoring of spam reports while investigating outlook delivery issues of a number of spam emails received by some hotmail users that passed through our mail server.

After confirming that our mailserver had processed the email, Miraheze started an investigation immediately. We found the 'guest' LDAP account used to allow public access to Icinga was able to send email from arbitrary addresses and this had been exploited. We have audited all access available and there is no evidence that any user information or other additional access could have been gained via the account. A number of emails were sent as part of spam campaigns though.

Please know that the security of your information and your privacy are very important to us. In the light of our commitment to transparency, relevant actionables and lessons will be shared with you for community feedback.

If you have any questions regarding this incident, please ask below or email tech(at)miraheze.org.

For more information, See T7666.

Thanks,
 * RhinosF1 (Miraheze) (talk)
 * Miraheze, Technical Team
 * 20:27, 25 July 2021 (UTC)