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Request for Deleting All Translations By Shaunak Chakraborty
All the translations done by are filled with issues. They have many formatting issues and I suspect those are instances of unedited machine translation. Considering they have made 628 edits in the Translations namespace, I think a Phabricator task should be created requesting this instead of trying to do this monotonous work by hand. Thank you. 11:52, 7 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Bump. If nobody objects within the next 48 hours, I am going to proceed with this and request deletion on Phabricator. 06:50, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if it's a good idea to simply declare all of someone's translations as problematic and order a complete purge. I think the user should at least be given a chance to defend themselves first, and 48 hours would not be enough. So I propose we wait and see what has to say about these allegations. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 06:56, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * It will be about 72 hours since this request has been created. As you can see, I have taken care to ping the user in question above. But if you still want, I am okay with waiting till 14th April. 08:02, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Don't you feel that deleting someone's work is simply insulting the user's hardwork. If you feel that the translations are not correct then mention the pages which needs correction. I will rectify each an every page which you will mention. Shaunak Chakraborty (talk)
 * Hi, thank you for your reply. First of all, this request is not meant to insult anyone and I appreciate everyone's translation work. It is just unedited machine translation that I hate. Now, there are a lot of issues in your translations and I think you would be better off starting from the beginning. Nevertheless, I have made an incomplete list of such pages here. Please expect the list to be expanded later. Thank you. 10:51, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, please consider adding a timestamp to your signature. Signatures without timestamps will cause errors after we upgrade to MW 1.36. 10:53, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with Reception123 here. I'm quite uncomfortable with a Phabricator task merely to delete all translations on the basis of being suspected machine translations, particularly with the user in question never having been guided as to our approach to translations. Machine translations, while somewhat problematic for native speakers, are not terrible, and can nonetheless be improved upon. We also don't know whether all or some of them were unedited machine translations, too. So, while I'm not opposed to deleting some poor quality translations, I would rather identify a list of pages, post them here (or in a subsequent thread on here), and delete them in the normal course and method&mdash;that is to say, by marking the pages for deletion and having FuzzyBot process the applicable deletions. Dmehus (talk) 13:06, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Perhaps my usage of the word "suspected" was not strong enough/did not provide enough context. If you check the list of pages I have created, it will be clear to you why I have said that. "particularly with the user in question never having been guided as to our approach to translations" Hmm? Have you checked their talk page? I left a message months ago. 14:37, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * No follow up at all from . Could we proceed with deletion, please? 14:32, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
 * R4356th I'm not willing to consider a Phabricator mass deletion as you originally proposed, but if there are specific pages you can list which are either (a) not translations, (b) barely started translations (i.e., less than 30% completed), or which otherwise have issues, please list them here, and we can consider deletion on a case-by-case basis. Dmehus (talk) 14:40, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Why? I thought I made it clear that almost all if not all translations have issues. It would be a waste of our time if we wanted to "consider deletion on a case-by-case basis". 14:43, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
 * R4356th Well, for one thing, case by case basis doesn't mean one page at a time. You can still list multiple pages in this thread, but I want to see clear and specific issues necessitating deletion. Machine translations on their own are not prohibited, provided they've been done in good-faith, and there's no indication Shaunak Chakraborty's translations were not done in good-faith. They can be improved upon by other native Hindi speakers. Dmehus (talk) 14:46, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
 * @Shaunak Chakraborty did reply above previously, so I'm inclined to at least give them another chance to further respond to you (perhaps link specific pages) rather than proceeding to a full purging of all their work. They might have issues but I would still feel uncomfortable with dismissing another translator's work without hearing more from them first. I also find it quite problematic that it is said to be a "suspicion" and not certainty regarding the translations being machine translations. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 14:54, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I am well aware of the fact that using machine translation is not prohibited. I myself use it. My concern is that Shaunak Chakraborty's translations are unedited and have a lot of issues anyone can notice even without knowledge of Hindi. One of the first things you see when you visit a new website should never be messy translation. Trust me, that is a very unpleasant experience.
 * "@Shaunak Chakraborty did reply above previously, so I'm inclined to at least give them another chance to further respond to you (perhaps link specific pages)" Hmm? I linked an incomplete list of pages above. "I also find it quite problematic that it is said to be a "suspicion" and not certainty regarding the translations being machine translations." Something I said above- Perhaps my usage of the word "suspected" was not strong enough/did not provide enough context. If you check the list of pages I have created, it will be clear to you why I have said that. 17:57, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh! I am extremely sorry I will look into this as soon as possible. Actually, for 2 weeks, I'm working with COVID relief teams management, organizations and extremely busy in that which is, of course, my first priority, please excuse me for some time. Shaunak Chakraborty (talk) 19:35, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * No problem. Thank you for responding. 20:43, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Updates, please. 11:46, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * ...--MrJaroslavik (talk) 19:40, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * please respond. 19:29, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

, hello. Given the other concerns against Shaunak Chakraborty at Stewards' noticeboard and his inability to respond to the discussion even after nearly two months, I would say that we should follow the procedure given by the here. Mazzaz (talk) 07:04, 19 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Mazzaz It's critically important that we not link two separate requests together and attempt to draw any correlation between two separate issues. Potential copyright violations are one thing, which would require urgent action (generally, deletion). While Shaunak Chakraborty has not responded to this thread, Reception123 and I have asked R4356th for verifiable evidence of machine translations beyond mere hunches as we must remember to assume good faith here. As well, given that Shaunak Chakraborty is a native Hindi speaker, I see no evidence that his translations, especially the Hindi translations, were unedited machine translations. Moreover, even if some translations were unedited machine translations, there are couple issues with this, one technical and one philosophical. On the technical issue, not all translations were either created or edited exclusively by Shaunak Chakraborty, so it is problematic to delete the contributions of others. On the philosophical issue, I don't see a massive need, or indeed any need at all, to proceed with a full-scale mass deletion of translations. For one thing, Angelo Pisani, and other translators, have identified specific machine translations of other users, and they just ✅ the translations by updating them. If there are specific translation pages that are particularly problematic or gibberish, those can be identified via this noticeboard and deleted on a case-by-case basis by FuzzyBot. Dmehus (talk) 14:23, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes. An example I've corrected some translations of User:IL Traduttore like "autopattinati" for autopatrolled. the correct word is autoverificati. Angelo Pisani (talk) 17:26, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah no. it was User:Integer who have translated this word but also IL Traduttore have used some automatic translators. Angelo Pisani (talk) 17:29, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Bukkit's Request for Patroller
Hello administrators, I would like to become a patroller to patrol new edits to help the Meta wiki and make the wiki a place for constructive edits, and for people with good intentions. Buk kit (talk) ( C ) 20:32, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm sure a steward would agree. Iron Sword 23 (talk) 20:34, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * He only had that account for 3 weeks, subtracting the 7 months and 3 weeks since he's had his old account that has since been locked by self-request dating all the way back to October 23rd, 2020. We'll just have to wait for a Steward to make a unanimous decision on that. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 20:42, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * That's what I said. Iron Sword 23 (talk) 20:44, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your request. While I'm not opposed to it, I do think this needs a bit more activity on Meta Wiki and a concentrated focus on remembering to sign all talk page and noticeboard posts, assisting users on the noticeboards, etc. With a few more weeks and assisting users on the noticeboards, I'd be inclined to grant this request. Dmehus (talk) 22:35, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Alright. Buk kit  (talk) ( C ) 15:32, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Add Link to AN or TA Info Page to MediaWiki:Translate-tag-hasnew
That will be helpful for those who do not know whom to contact to get the page marked for translation. You may wish to see Wikidata's method for inspiration. Thank you. 15:30, 7 June 2021 (UTC)


 * This seems reasonable, so has now been ✅. Indeed, I used the Wikidata interface message page for inspiration, but adapted it a bit. Feel free to suggest any other changes. Dmehus (talk) 16:04, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * "make post a request" does not really make sense. It should say either "make" or "post", not both. 04:04, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, the second sentence is missing a period. 04:04, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Fixed?--MrJaroslavik (talk) 05:38, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes. Thank you both. :) 09:30, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggested wording/grammar fix. The latter sentence was indeed a bit awkward, and I contemplated writing it, but thought I'd just open it up to suggested changes anyway. Dmehus (talk) 14:55, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Error publishing translation
I tried to create a Finnish translation for Category:Board (so Category:Board/fi) but it failed. The reason is AbuseFilter (see log for me). Can any of the administrators create a page Category:Board/fi with content Luokka:Hallitus (in Finnish, board mean hallitus). --Anton (talk) 17:06, 7 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Anton Yeah, we've got to either fine tune that abuse filter, or go back to manually blacklisting certain Board pages from editing. The latter is a bit more work as meeting notes and agendas are posted, but I do favour that option. I'll try and take time to do that tomorrow. Dmehus (talk) 01:51, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay. Thanks for reply. Anton (talk) 08:04, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Question
Can a steward check out this user talk page? https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User_talk:Pugsleyfan69420 Iron Sword 23 (talk) 00:35, 17 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you. ✅. For future reference, a Meta administrator should be capable of handling this. Dmehus (talk) 00:54, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay. Iron Sword 23 (talk) 00:54, 17 June 2021 (UTC)