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Using wikipedia links in miraheze wiki
I would like to redirect a link to a Wikipedia page instead of copying the wiki page completely. LaneFrost00 (talk) 13:28, 16 May 2023 (UTC)


 * - PercyUK (talk) 14:31, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Or something like, like my site and its Referata predecessors have long engaged in. --Routhwick (talk) 22:12, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I use two templates:  and
 * For w1 the syntax is:
 * For w2 the synrax is:
 * This works for me just fine. 22:45, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Clarification - Formalizing Interwiki Requester Eligibility

 * With 2.5 weeks since opening the feedback request, unanimous support, and confirmation that this already exists on a separate policy page, I'm closing this single-issue feedback request and adding the appropriate language to the relevant page.
 * --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 14:42, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Per RfC Policy, I'm opening this single-issue Feedback Request on the CN to formally update the Interwiki Policy page and add the already-in-use eligibility requirements to request addition of a new interwiki entry.

Proposal 1: Codifying Eligibility for Interwiki Requests
Add the following eligibility criteria to the Additions section of the Interwiki policy page:

A user must meet one of the following criteria to submit Interwiki addition/removal requests: *Have the Bureaucrat role (or equivalent) on the wiki for which the request is submitted *Have public written permission from a Bureaucrat on the wiki (for instance, on a user talk page) to submit interwiki requests *Have authorization to make the request via local policy (e.g. a wiki establishes a local policy authorizing administrators on the wiki to make interwiki requests) *Have community consensus on specific additions/removals, e.g. by poll or discussion on the wiki for which the request is submitted

Rationale: This is already the current procedure followed by those with IW access and seeks to make it publicly available. Failure of this vote will not change eligibility criteria, but community assent is needed before any amendment of policy pages. NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 18:46, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Support

 * 1)  as proposer --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 18:46, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * 2)  This offer can be prevented by Discord or IRC or fraud/informality on noticeboards. I support you most strongly. It is useful to apply.  Hey Türkiye  Message? 11:27, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * 3)  This is already done as a matter of custom. --1108-Kiju /Talk  11:34, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * 4)  I think that it is fair for bureaucrats to make these decisions. I take this opportunity to nevertheless re-iterate my opposition to the group of interwiki administrator and instead allowing bureaucrats to do this themselves. --DeeM28 (talk) 14:21, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * 5)  This is currently the status quo. Although, it is nowhere in the interwiki page.--   Joseph  TB  CT  CA   05:29, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * 6) . It's time to put what we do into actual policy/writing. Globe - (Talk • Contributions • CA) 16:29, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Comments
It was helpfully pointed out by Agent Isai in a side conversation that these criteria already exist on the Interwiki administrators page, identically though indirectly, as follows:

Global interwiki administrators should not add or alter interwiki prefixes on wikis where they do not hold bureaucrat rights, unless local bureaucrats or the local community requests it, or where they have otherwise been provided with a local authorization, ratified by a local bureaucrat, to add interwiki prefixes on a discretionary basis.

Given that pre-existing basis, if Stewards feel this is sufficient I suggest they close this Feedback Request as invalid/unnecessary and integrate the proposed changes into the Interwiki page if deemed adequately phrased. --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 19:37, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * NotAracham, would you be interested in modifying this proposal to state that one must have a bureaucrat's authorization to make such requests, or there must be a local policy in place delegating this responsibility to community members? I think it's way to bureaucratic to require a bureaucrat's approval just to add an interwiki prefix. I think any trusted  or established editor would do. As well, it's already a requirement to be a bureaucrat, or have the assent of a bureaucrat, to be elected as a local interwiki administrator. Dmehus (talk) 19:53, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * If there's a local policy which covers delegation of duties, that's fine in my view. My goal isn't to write new policy beyond already established norms in this case, and reading through the existing language on the Interwiki administrators page, this piece of language: 'otherwise provided with local authorization' appears to cover the instance you describe.
 * Per discussion w/ @Raidarr on discord, I'll tweak to match and notify existing FR voters accordingly. NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 21:06, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @HeyTürkiye, @1108-Kiju, @DeeM28, providing a courtesy notification that proposal language has had minor amendments to allow for local policies to authorize other roles to request interwiki additions/removals. This was deemed necessary to be fully aligned with the policy codified on the Interwiki administrators page.
 * Please review and update your vote if no longer supported. --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 21:15, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Its to sad to say goodbye to Real Life Villains wiki forever
Goodbye forever, if one day that page is reborn again please call me, you know how to contact me, but well, it was funny helping the page, but its time to say goodbye, so goodbye forever and it was an honor to be in the real life villains wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oscargerardo (User talk:Oscargerardo • Special:Contributions/Oscargerardo) 17:46, 21 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Everyone else in the know on Miraheze knows what happened to Qualitipedia; even the MH team themselves would rather brush it off in the past and forget it completely. --Routhwick (talk) 22:09, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Real Life Villains Wiki was not associated with Qualitipedia; it was shut down due to Content Policy violations, not because its community supported closure. Tali64³ (talk) 16:09, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Wiki Marked as Closed on a Daily Basis
For the past week, every time that I access my specific wiki on MediaWiki Ash and Illusions Wiki, I've received a notice that the Wiki has been marked as closed due to a lack of edits and/or log actions.

I've continued to do updates to the wiki (in fact a number were done yesterday), but when I accessed it again today it was marked for closure. I've continued to remove the closer mark on the Special:ManageWiki page, however it continues to return. Is there a way to remove this permanently and/or stop this from occurring daily? Daemhain Wolf (talk) 02:48, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I would advise you to research carefully when changing ManageWiki settings you're not sure of. On top of wiki permissions being a bit of a mess, you set  to 1 which meant that Special:RecentChanges/the   table could not hold any records over 1 second ago and because ManageWiki uses those records to assess inactivity, it found no 'recent changes' and kept reclosing the wiki. I have reset the settings and manually rebuilt the recent changes table but please do be careful in the future.  Agent Isai  Talk to me! 03:12, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the help Isai! I'm not even sure how I did this, but I'll be a lot more careful going forwards! Daemhain Wolf (talk) 21:17, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Add "https://de.wikipedia.org" to interwiki prefix
My wiki (wiki.mxlinuxusers.de) would like the site "de.wikipedia.org" to be added to the interwiki prefix please.

URL: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/$1

Prefix: wde

Forwarding or Transclusion: yes Like w: for the english Wikipedia --Peter Littmann (talk) 22:28, 26 May 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅ --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 22:57, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks --Peter Littmann (talk) 02:44, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Import question
Do I need an administrator to import a template for me? I request a few quote templates to be added to collegium.miraheze.org Template:Quote --Collectit (talk) 01:03, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * If you tell us which templates to add to your wiki, the administrator @Collectit. will add them. You can also add templates yourself.  However, if you want to import a template from another wiki (Fandom, etc.), you can import it from Export. If I have not helped you with this comment, please explain in detail what you want and we can help you better. The administrators will contact you.  Hey Türkiye  Message? 08:03, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I was trying to use quotes in my article, to quote text. It seems I have to use a template to do that. How do I do that? Collectit (talk) 15:08, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * You can do it by creating the citation template or by copying the citation template from the English Wikipedia. @Collectit. (I wouldn't take too much of your copying, either.) -- Hey Türkiye Message? 16:00, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd note that "copying" the template wouldn't be in compliance with copyright, you would have to use Special:Export and then Special:Import on your Miraheze wiki in order to comply with attribution requirements. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 06:01, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Copy it to where? Collectit (talk) 06:04, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * , hi! I went to your wiki and checked the RecentChanges special page, and saw what article you were looking for. Firstly, to answer your question literally, you are an admin on that same wiki you founded, so you can import templates from elsewhere as Reception suggested. You can check what accounts are administrator on your wiki by going to your wiki's "Special:ListAdmins" page, which for you is at mh:collegium:Special:ListAdmins.  To do that, you can go to your wiki and type "Special:Import" (as Reception said), which will lead you to mh:collegium:Special:Import. There are two options there: you can upload a file that contains data regarding the wiki pages you're importing, or you can tell Miraheze servers to contact a certain wiki website and download that wiki's pages to your wiki.  The second is easier, so, you can scroll down to the "" section, select   as your "Source wiki", type   in the "Source page" text field, and check the first two checkboxes. You may give a comment as to why you feel the need for it, if you want it to be recorded in your wiki's logs (mh:collegium:Special:Log/import), and then you click the big blue "" button.  If that fails, you can do the first method. Go to wikipedia:Special:Export and type "Template:Quote" in the "" text box. Leave the first checkbox unchecked (to follow copyright law about attributing past authors), while having the latter two boxes checked. Then click "Submit" and go back to your wiki's Special:Import page, upload it, type "wikipedia:" for interwiki prefix, and click "Upload file".   But, I saw in the mh:collegium:Respect article you were working on. Please note that the syntax for Wikipedia's Quote template is example text, not  . — MLastCelebration  (talk) 12:31, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. That's a lot of information for me to learn and try out. You gave a very good guide, it seems. Collectit (talk) 17:09, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

For future reference, please ask questions on the Community noticeboard, not the Meta-Wiki Admins noticeboard. That noticeboard is only for questions to admins on this wiki, not for asking for help. Agent Isai Talk to me! 17:19, 28 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Oh sorry about that. Collectit (talk) 21:47, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Cannot verify site in Google search console
How long does it usually take for the google search token to be noticed when added to the SEO section of "Manage this wiki's additional settings"? I thought if the token was added, and Google search console looks for the token, it would find it straight away.

I opted for "Domain" in the Google Search Console, generated the txt file (token) and added it to the SEO section on my site. Google says uing the "Domain" option requires DNS configuration from my Domain Name Provider, but I can't do this because the Doamin Name points to Miraheze's Name Servers. Google doesn't provide information for this process for users of wikifarms. I am attempting this for my newly created domain name - theenglishlakes.uk - without adding the https://

Anyway, I just get an error every time I try and verify: Verification method: Domain name provider

Failure reason: '''We couldn't find your verification token in your domain's TXT records. Sometimes DNS changes can take a while to appear. Please wait a few hours, then reopen your property in Search Console. If verification fails again, try adding a different DNS TXT record.'''

I've had the same error for two days. What am I doing wrong, or does it take more time? A steer in the right direction would be most appreciated. 22:28, 28 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Sorted. I didn't include the token correctly. How do I go about requesting a Sitemap? 10:44, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * This guide I wrote may be helpful for you, it covers all aspects you'll need to know for this, including sitemaps.
 * WikiSEO_-_Improving_Search_Ranking
 * --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 20:52, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @NotAracham Thank you for your assistance. If I had known this article existed I would have known exactly what to do. It is very informative and helped immensely, very much appreciated. This essay should have more visibility on Meta.
 * I already have WikiSEO installed but haven't used it - to be honest I don't really know how to use it. I would probably only use "keywords". Can they be included anywhere on the page? 07:06, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Fun fact, the 'SEO' on that article is high enough that it's usually in the top google results for WikiSEO, especially when combined with the word 'Help' or 'Miraheze'. :D
 * I do eventually planning on moving it to a proper help namespace once I have additional documentation written out to make a broader 'new admin' guide, but that's a project that's been on backburner for ages.
 * I haven't used the keywords function much myself, but the WikiSEO main documentation has some helpful stuff there around keyword functions. Best of luck!
 * --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 19:09, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Geogebra
What is the geogebra extension used for? I suppose that it's used for encoding images with text. If yes, it would be really useful as my wiki needs a lot of images. ClassicalGames (talk) 07:04, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

I found this page: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GeoGebra

But it almost takes forever to load. Could you copy the contents into the above user's talk page? ColorfulGalaxy (talk) 11:10, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Some Image Files Suddenly Not Loading
Suddenly this afternoon, some (but not all) images that have been loaded onto my wiki are not loading.

As an example, when I click on the actual file image I get a:


 * File not found


 * Although this PHP script (/w/img_auth.php) exists, the file requested for output (mwstore://miraheze-swift/local-public/c/cf/Marric-alaga-01.png) does not.

Is this happening to others? and is the a return of one of the servers going like what happened several months ago? — Mitchell Gore (talk) 18:20, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Why my logo does not appear?
Hi, I have put a logo on my wiki but the logo does not appear on the main page (and on all the pages there), let me know if I am using this page wrong (If this is misspelled it is because I used translator). - Un random
 * A link to your wiki would be helpful LilyLilyu - smile.svg talk and I will listen · Lilypond Wiki 02:25, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Wiki: https://wikique.miraheze.org/wiki/Especial:ManageWiki/settings#mw-section-styling
 * Image Location: https://static.miraheze.org/wikiquewiki/b/b5/Wiki_que.png
 * Latest MediaWiki update with skin that does not display logo (Última actualización de MediaWiki con skin que no muestra el logo) https://wikique.miraheze.org/wiki/Especial:ManageWiki/extensions#mw-section-skins - PercyUK (talk) 06:18, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * On Main Page, I see a different image - Logo.png instead of Wiki_que.png
 * Image Location https://static.miraheze.org/wikiquewiki/c/c9/Logo.png
 * Main Page https://wikique.miraheze.org/wiki/Página_principal
 * --- Imamy (talk) 15:11, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Use BounceHandler to un-confirm e-mail addresses in error
Can Extension:BounceHandler be installed on Miraheze to un-confirm e-mail addresses in error? 沈澄心 (talk) 05:19, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Help getting hlist and navboxes working correctly
I'm not a bureaucrat or admin of this wiki (that'd be Robkelk), so I hope it's okay that I'm asking for help here – just don't want anyone else to get a headache on my behalf.

We're having issues with and templates that call it, like navboxes, on Poser and Daz Free Resources Wiki. The template creates vertical bulleted lists rather than horizontal ones. I think the main issue is that TemplateStyles isn't enabled, and we're missing the styles.css for the hlist template, but I'm not very familiar with the inner workings of templates, so I'm not sure if I'm overlooking anything else. Is there someone who's more familiar with templates who could help out? Radiiant (talk) 17:14, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The wiki's URL is poserdazfreebies.miraheze.org – I tried to add a link in my original post, but Miraheze wanted me to enter a CAPTCHA that wouldn't show up, so adding it in a follow-up comment. Radiiant (talk) 17:19, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you use Discord? Someone at the support channel may have the solution.  Discord | #support | Miraheze
 * --- Imamy (talk) 14:59, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Recruitment/Vacancies
I know that SRE has been recruiting for new members for some time now, but I'm also of the opinion that new membership is needed in the community-related roles as well. We've already lost Radiarr, (partially?) lost OrangeStar, and now appear to be loosing Universal Omega as well (Special:Diff/337769). And apparently Agent has just resigned from Trust and Safety. While it was before my return to the project, I noticed that John and Southparkfan have also resigned from their respective roles. As a result the community definitely has several vacancies that should be filled, as we don't want to be in a situation where the project itself is growing faster than its volunteer base. So I would like to ask the community if there are any roles that it (collective) feels I could fulfill? In evaluating my experience feel free to refer to my previous activity pre-2020 as well. I'd like to do something to make sure that Miraheze continues to grow and prosper, though I'm not entirely certain as to what role(s) the community would feel I'd be best suited for. – AmandaCath  ( talk ) 23:18, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * To clarify, Agent has filed intent to resign from all roles, as has Universal Omega.
 * As for your primary question, do you have Discord or IRC? It might be better to converse that way. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 23:28, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I used to have IRC, though I don't anymore at least in part due to the network switch from Freenode (I could probably get it back though). I just thought that more people would be likely to visit/watch this page than the IRC channel or logs, and this page allows discussions even when I'm not actively monitoring them. – AmandaCath  ( talk ) 23:32, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * If it's alright, IRC is preferred. If not, we can have the discussion here, though. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 23:37, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Just (re)joined IRC. I'll have a couple hours tonight before I need to sign off. – AmandaCath  ( talk ) 23:56, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * OS is back. I don't know how likely it is to be approved given what happened, but I've filed to rejoin SRE as a MediaWiki Engineer. OrangeStar (talk) 16:02, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Invite Community to take part in current open requests
Can we put out a global message for review of current open requests. I am only aware of these 3: I'd like to see a 24 hour notice to invite Mirahezians to Meta. Per count, there are 6,847 wikis. Votes come from the same usual participants (less then 20).
 * Requests for global permissions
 * Requests for Comment/Meta usergroups reform
 * Requests for Comment/Changes to wiki creators (2)‎

Perhaps a message such as:

For your consideration, please review open requests (1) (2) (3)‎

I've also added a glossary at the bottom of each request to give context

--- Imamy (talk) 14:33, 9 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Agent was the only person with access to make central notices. I guess SRE could also create them but I don't know how likely that is to happen. OrangeStar (talk) 15:34, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Typically, CentralNotices never go out for requests for comment or permissions because people find them annoying unless said RfX is super important. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 05:32, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree. Having a banner doesn't feel good.  But there is almost never any way to draw anyone to RfCs.  RfCs are very hard to find and hard to identify and confusing to read.
 * However, lately, we have not had any types of banners in a while so I don't think that posting one would be offensive.
 * The way I see it, if they were posted at scheduled times, people will probably look forward to them. If banners were put out quarterly or every 2 months  for a 24 hour period where there is an overlap of the last day of the month and the first day of the next month, then anyone who'd like to find the RfC will probably check in on the night of one day, and the morning of the other.
 * RfC banners should be minimally worded. over time probably the banners will get more and more cryptic and discrete, much like leaving a note on the table that one can only find when one goes looking for it.
 * Imamy (talk) 07:01, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

I'd like to suggest an alternate: add a notice on the meta main page. Maybe below the header so it's noticeable with just a one-liner for each of the open RfC's to give a title and link to each. It would not intrude on all wikis like a global banner, would be unobtrusive, but also easy to find. It could be hidden when there are no open RFC's. &mdash;Jph2 (talk) 14:26, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

IRC Group Contacts: Part 2
Yes, this again.

With UO leaving, we are now down to only one de-facto Group Contact,. While UO still has access (I will soon talk with someone on Libera about this if no-one does it before me), I think we can pretty safely assume they won't be doing any GC stuff anymore.

We should change this soon lest we commit the same mistake as with John back when they left the project. I think we should appoint at least another one, but ideally I would like for there to also be a third one.

Reason for there being a third one is because Reception resigning is a very real possibility in my opinion. If they leave and we only appoint one additional person, it will be the same thing again. Therefore, appointing a third GC accounts for this happening. Even if they don't leave, it's not like there's a hard limit on how many we can have.

Since planning for disasters is for uncool people, we unfortunately still do not have a policy for these situations. Therefore, I propose that this crisis be dealt with the same way we did back when Reception, and  requested GC: a Requests for permissions-style thread on the Community Noticeboard, closed by a Steward.

Those willing to become a GC, click the add topic button. OrangeStar (talk) 15:51, 9 June 2023 (UTC)


 * What is Group Contact? Imamy (talk) 05:03, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Universal Omega is staying on as a Group Contact, per my discussion with him, and my recommendation to him, last night. We also still have Reception123 and NDKilla as a backup Group Contact. Those are on file with Libera.Chat. :) Dmehus (talk) 05:07, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't remember requesting Group Contact ever. Either way, Universal Omega is still a Board member and the only people who can get a GC removed are other GCs or legal representatives for projects. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 05:31, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Good points, Agent Isai. Also, regarding OrangeStar's speculation that Reception123 may step down, while we don't want to presume or speculate this may occur, I would point out that should something like that happen, I would think the Miraheze Limited Board of Directors would plan for an orderly wind-down of Miraheze operations and a reasonably orderly transition of customer wikis to other platforms/services. Dmehus (talk) 05:39, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree. It would be most prudent, thoughtful, and smart for the Board of Directors to plan a wind-down of Miraheze as the current situation is untenable. I do not see the farm surviving past 3-6 months in its current state and I would exhort wikis to begin looking into alternatives like . Agent Isai  Talk to me! 05:45, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Completely agree. Three months would be preferable for me. Dmehus (talk) 06:03, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Not only that, but given the current situation, I think it would be prudent and in keeping with directors' fiduciary responsibilities to cease collection of donations from users, in my view. Stewards, in consultation with SRE should consider suspending wiki requests and wiki creations, too. Dmehus (talk) 06:05, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I believe it's too early to consider Miraheze a lost cause. The Board has considered a plan to allow Raidarr back onto Miraheze if he wishes, and the severe shortage in volunteers can be fixed by placing more volunteers in community and technical positions. If Miraheze does end up shutting down, however, I would second moving to another wiki farm, probably WikiTide. Tali64³ (talk) 16:54, 10 June 2023 (UTC)