Requests for Comment/Affiliate with Grifkuba

Hi, I have been wondering if Miraheze would like to affiliate with Grifkuba, a host of independent video game wikis. This does not mean join or combine services but rather just link to one another in MediaWiki:Sidebar or an Affiliates page. Grifkuba has had the credibility of hosting independent wikis since 2010. However, Grifkuba is not a wiki farm, but both they and Miraheze appear to share similar goals and values when it comes to providing a dedicated, high quality service to numerous wiki communities, including many wiki customizations, well maintained, fast loading times, etc. And from what I've seen, both consist of lots of gamers! I have noticed that some of the most popular wikis on Miraheze (e.g. Qualitipedia) relate to gaming and entertainment, further reminding me of Grifkuba. By the way, keep in mind that I'm not a staff member there but rather someone who is in charge of a couple of wikis, such as Jiggywikki. I have also been working on a few of my own wikis here such as Nintendo Wiki or helping out a friend with some of his wikis, such as The Viva Piñata Encyclopedia.

Some of Grifkuba's most successful wikis are WiKirby, Fire Emblem Wiki, and most recently, SaGa Wiki, which forked from Fandom last month. Some loosely video game-related wikis such as SpongeBob Wiki (given how it has several video games, possibly more than any other TV show) are also hosted by them. Besides independent wikis, Grifkuba also develops indie games such as Power Master, although they are not a registered indie game developer -- it's just fan games using original IPs.

So before I made this proposal, I asked in the community noticeboard to get an idea of how others would feel about the affiliation/friendship. I was recommended to see feedback from others before making a proposal here. A person noted that Grifkuba uses AdSense, and Miraheze relies on donations only and does not have any ads (which is definitely a good thing, as I hope Grifkuba can do away with ads some day as well once the cost is fully financed). This better helps me clarify that the intent; like I said in the main paragraph, this is not about Grifkuba taking over Miraheze or vice versa, but rather it is about an affiliation. That means that if either side becomes unsatisfied with the other side and does not want to partner any longer (hopefully this does not happen though), they can pull the affiliation without it directly affecting their hosting services.

What I'm about to note is just my personal feelings, but I've also wanted to note how there have been several wiki farms in the past, such as ScribbleWiki and Wikkii, which have since shut down. Even ShoutWiki appears to be less maintained these days. To me, Miraheze is the last bastion of hope for wiki farms that are not Fandom, and with Grifkuba proving to be a reliable wiki host of independent wikis for over a decade, this could help people feel that Grifkuba has a good recommendation for where to host wikis that they won't host, such as if only one person wants a wiki or if it isn't related enough to gaming (e.g. if it's on a book novel series or real world recreational activities). From recent experience, I can give an example, the Portuguese Donkey Kong Wiki, which I formerly hosted for a friend before I ran out of money for hosting, but then moved it here because Grifkuba could not gather any interest besides the wiki founder.

Support

 * 1) Per my reasons stated above. RMV2003 (talk) 03:58, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Oppose

 * It hosts way less wikis than miraheze, though this isn't really a problem
 * It's websites and mainpages are less quality, to me atleast, even the official mainpage of it contains loads of redlinks
 * It has slightly different goals - Grifkuba contains some ads
 * Not many admins
 * Miraheze is not commercial, as YellowFrogger has said below (edited in)
 * Any benefits to miraheze?
 * Any benefits to miraheze?

 Anpang 📨 04:05, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * 1)  Miraheze is not commercial like these wikis mentioned, and the "partnership" was only corneted by some translation administrators here at Miraheze. There's also no reason to partner with a privately-organized wiki like this one that hosts wikis normally. It's a normal thing. I hope you understood. --YellowFrogger  (Talk — ✐) 04:16, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * 2)  I am not opposed to an affiliate of some sort at some point in the future. My problem here is how exactly does this benefit Miraheze? It seems to me like Grifkuba is much smaller, less wikis, and as mentioned above, lower quality. I don't see a real benefit to Miraheze, Miraheze's goals, or values. To that end, I must oppose this.  04:27, 14 January 2022 (UTC) ］ |
 * 3)  As others have said, I don't see benefit to Miraheze or a reason to be affiliated with commercial wikis setup like Grifkuba. |  -- FrozenPlum  (Talk / Email) 06:36, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Comments

 * He explained above that maybe this service will not be commercial after merging with Miraheze, I think this is very suspicious to happen, it is difficult. Unfortunately I had to vote against it because Miraheze doesn't share the tables categories together with this wiki, it's worth noting that there are more things to improve in the structure than making the partnership that can't change much. --YellowFrogger (Talk — ✐) 04:23, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I did not say it would merge with Miraheze. Read my definition of "affiliation" in the proposal text. RMV2003 (talk) 04:28, 14 January 2022 (UTC)