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survey/poll regarding donation models
It is likely that many Miraheze users have seen developments related to a social media platform and a new funding model that its new owner has in mind. Miraheze is different as it is a non profit company and all funds must go to the platform and nothing ele. Miraheze's current donation model is simple - people donate the sum of their choice at the date of their choice. Miraheze's current spending model (as I understand it to be) is also relatively simple - funds go to servers/infrastructure and associated costs. As an experiment I would like to address some questions in the form of a poll/survey to the community. I know this is very unusual and it is likely that I will not elicit many responses. I will say from the outset that I do not believe that these questions will garner much support but I simply wish to confirm my prior thoughts about what the commnity's views on the matter are. DeeM28 (talk) 12:23, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Important Clarification: I wish to make clear that I have had no discussions with anyone affiliated with Miraheze about this and this is something I have thought about enterily by myself. I do not wish people to believe that this proposal is being made by someone affiliated to Miraheze and this is something planned for the future as some people may worry about this. --DeeM28 (talk) 12:25, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

=== #1: Would you be in favor of a specially created 'role' on Miraheze that would have to donate a small sum (i.e. $5/month) and get minimal additional "features"? If yes, what "features" would you have in mind? ===
 * 1) Opposing for features. The donator role is fine. --Blad  (talk • contribs • global) 12:37, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * 2) All of Miraheze's features should be available to anyone, regardless of if they have donated. Locking features behind a paywall is a step closer to YouTube and is not where any wiki farm (even Fandom, a for-profit that is chock full of ads) wants to go. Tali64³ (talk) 14:28, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * More like a step closer to Discord. Naleksuh (talk) 16:19, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) because there is no need for this --The user who loves human heads on alien/animal bodies in cartoons for no reason (talk to me uwu!) 14:41, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * 2) this would go against the founding principles of Miraheze Rob Kam (talk) 15:40, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * 3) "Freemium" in this way (locking off features that already exist natively in MediaWiki) seems wrong. I could entertain tipping extension-builders or creating a small pool for developer compensation, though that could form its own rats-nest of conflict and diluted run-the-business revenue for Miraheze proper.  NotAracham (Talk | Contribs) 18:49, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * 4) I just don't like these kinds of things. OrangeStar (talk) 19:01, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * 5) It would sound like Miraheze is adding microtransactions if passes. However, the "donator" role is fine as long as it doesn't have additional rights (therefore it is not pay-to-win as usual with cosmetic microtransactions). TF3RDL (talk &#124; contribs &#124; FANDOM &#124; Wikipedia) 18:21, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * 6) Executive2 (talk) 16:49, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

=== #2: Would you be in favor of a system where wikis which are consuming a very large amount of disk space and/or have a large user base should have to pay a minimal donation to Miraheze? (this would be a small sum) ===
 * 1) No opinion --Blad  (talk • contribs • global) 12:37, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * 2) for similar reasoning as my vote in Proposal 1. Tali64³ (talk) 14:28, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * 3) this would go against the founding principles of Miraheze Rob Kam (talk) 15:40, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * 4) Communities and individuals already have the opportunity to donate should they feel the desire to do so, I'd prefer we set reasonable boundaries as a community for 'acceptable resource use' instead of creating a pay-for-play system of tiered products. NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 19:48, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * 5) Executive2 (talk) 16:49, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

#3: Would it make you want to contribute to Miraheze's technical team (such as a developer or infrastructure engineer) if you were paid a small amount of money for some tasks?

 * 1) No opinion. --Blad  (talk • contribs • global) 12:38, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * 2) This sounds a lot like users making money off of a non-profit. I'm not sure about British laws governing non-profit corporations, but if Miraheze were located in the United States, this would be a huge legal issue. Tali64³ (talk) 14:28, 3 November 2022 (UTC) Struck out reasoning because it was flawed. However, my vote still stands. Miraheze is a community of volunteers, not a for-profit business. Tali64³ (talk) 18:01, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify, Miraheze isn't considered to be a "non profit" in the UK since the only similar structure that exists is "charity" which Miraheze wasn't eligible for. It operates as a "not-for-profit" and as such all donations go back to the project itself. At this time there are no plans to pay volunteers and funds are allocated to infrastructure and related costs. As a side note though, I'm sure larger non-profits in the US do pay their employees and volunteers for their work. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 14:42, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Non-profits can pay their employees, see the Wikimedia Foundation as an example, and in many cases (in the United States at least) must pay them under the Fair Labor Standards Act. What non-profit indicates is that a corporation isn't operating with the goal to earn a profit or to prioritize profits over their goal. Miraheze however is a not-for-profit organisation. Not-for-profit further means that most, if not all money funnels back to the organisation to try and keep it afloat which is what we are, we don't pay anyone, but that doesn't restrict being compensated for work. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 14:58, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) this would go against the founding principles of Miraheze Rob Kam (talk) 15:40, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Quoting Agent straight from above, Non-profits can pay their employees, see the Wikimedia Foundation as an example, and in many cases (in the United States at least) must pay them under the Fair Labor Standards Act. What non-profit indicates is that a corporation isn't operating with the goal to earn a profit or to prioritize profits over their goal. Miraheze however is a not-for-profit organisation. Not-for-profit further means that most, if not all money funnels back to the organisation to try and keep it afloat which is what we are, we don't pay anyone, but that doesn't restrict being compensated for work. --Blad  (talk • contribs • global) 16:11, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) I have seen other not-for-profits go this route with some success - given that a stable foundation is critical to delivering on the intended mission, increasing the incentive to attract/retain SRE/developers/infrastructure team members even by a minor gratuity may be worth considering.  That said, my weak support is due to concerns about potential labor & employment law problems down the road if pursued. NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 19:49, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * 2) I personally wouldn't contribute to those things because of money, but of course, this is just because of personal opinions regarding me working in, well, IT in general. As an incentive for others, however, I doubt this is effective at attracting talent. OrangeStar (talk) 19:05, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * 3) Executive2 (talk) 16:49, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

General comments

 * What I might suggest here is a model where certain wikis may be able to get certain 'premium' features (purely additional to what is already offered) if they pay a minimal fee, and possibly an inherent DP exemption that lasts as long as that commitment lasts (DP exemptions would be considered as normal but require justification, as now, and be subject to periodic review as now). I would not be in favor of users getting any particular bling or modification for payment. Drive space/the ability to be a bit more of a file host by design could be a component to this payment idea. I suspect a number of people would be willing to chip in for a nominal fee on the tech side but I doubt many of those people are actually already present on Miraheze and outreach would be required to pursue that idea. There are dangers but I've personally mused over a 'donation' in the form of paying someone to make certain things (in an open, easily updated and sustainable way) that will help out the platform in a tech and feature capacity. Even if that is say, updates to the usability of extensions that we offer. It's an interesting topic and maybe it's something Miraheze will have to consider seriously if it finds itself more strapped in the future. Obviously any of this would have to be approached with the upmost caution to retain trust. I think we also need to do more operational cleanup for these ideas to even be considered, as there are few things worse than controversies of a platform with paid components being in over its head. Introducing any of this would also change the model in a way that might damage the image of the platform, and is something that would only go over well if a/the platform was made for it in the first place. --Raidarr (talk) 13:06, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I think right now we aren't doing terribly in terms of finance therefore making these proposals unnecessary at this time. If the third proposal is aimed at attempting to attract more technical volunteers (which we do very much need!) I'm not sure how efficient that would be given that most tasks aren't tasks that require investing a large amount of time into them. --Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 14:37, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I understand very much that the ideas I propose are not attractive from an ideological and principles perspective. I imagined that the community would oppose in the way that it does. The only worry that I have is that even if there are supposedly enough funds right now - are there enough for real growth of the project or just preserving the status quo and slowly upgrading things here and there? --DeeM28 (talk) 15:18, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think that the meltdown of twitter is a good growth opportunity for a wiki website. Completely separate ecosystems. "I have had no discussions with anyone affiliated with Miraheze about this" says it all. Go play with Fandom if you wanna see where this kind of thinking leads.
 * Further to the above, Twitter is merely the newest organization to see that growth achieved by giving stuff away free is not necessarily sustainable when it collides with a corporate business model involving imposing fees (for premium stuff or for mere access). The Fandom analog with which I'm familiar is attaching volunteer unpaid contributions to paid advertisements the authors don't want.  In either case, the corporate response is:  We run the place, and you are merely the chumps!  Indeed it is not a "growth opportunity," especially if, according to Reception123, we are not desperate.   02:58 12-Nov-2022
 * In light of the recent DB outage I would support a tiered system where you can pay to get additional replication on a managed cloud provider for as much stability as possible (which would also provide other benefits, such as lower latency if located away from the existing servers at Stevenage), while ensuring that the existing free wikis remain as feature-complete as possible. I suppose that even this might detract from the original Miraheze ideals, however. --2620:15C:2C1:200:29C8:4AC4:17C1:954F 18:15, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Problem with the borders of the circles
I have a slight problem with some of my borders. As I show you here: https://fiction.miraheze.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:R5, I couldn't figure out how to place simple borders that I could color. I can only put double borders, or single borders or all black, which is not what I want. I could use some guidance. Thanks in advance. Darkrai18 (talk) 17:32, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Problem with uploading media files
I have a problem with my wiki that I cannot upload media files, the error is: "An unknown error occurred in storage backend "miraheze-swift"." How can this be fixed? Thank you. Verycutecat (talk) 10:53, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello.Have you reported on Phabricator？ by Buel ·Talk·Wikimail 16:25, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I have yet to create a task on Phabricator because the problem isn't explicitly with the files being missed like the banner said; and I am not sure how to add tags to the task properly, what's the project for this kind of problem? Thank you. Verycutecat (talk) 18:50, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I see.OrangeStar made a report.Probably this problem will be solved by his/her action.Let's wait until being solved.Thank you. by Buel ·Talk·Wikimail 10:52, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Issue was solved, at least on AdvanceWarsWiki. OrangeStar (talk) 13:48, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm having the same issues when both uploading and deleting files. I reported it on Phabricator: . OrangeStar (talk) 16:29, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Add an interwiki to zhdel
zhdel.miraheze.org would like to have a interwikilink to zh.wikipedia.org (Chinese Wikipedia), desired configurations are listed below:

Tiger (talk) 22:19, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * For the record I handled this already per the phab task. --  Joseph  TB  CT  CA   22:49, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

wikitrash
hi, I recently went to my wikitrash page in Italian and I can't see anything anymore because everything has become private, I would like to ask how can I go back to see how before please ???

https://wikitrash.miraheze.org/wiki/Pagina_principale

HELP!!!!!

A1cb3 (talk) 19:00, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Is the wiki private? --Blad  (talk • contribs • global) 19:05, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Checking Special:ManageWiki/core/wikitrashwiki, it seems so. Unfortunately you will need to contact local bureaucrats/administrators for access. --Blad  (talk • contribs • global) 19:07, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

I am not a Bureaucrats in the wiki I requested, is that the norm?
Hello, I was just curious if not being Bureaucrats in the wiki I requested (https://ewgf.miraheze.org) is the norm. I am asking because i wanted to enable some extensions, but I am not able to. Iroi97 (talk) 20:15, 8 November 2022 (UTC)


 * It is indeed not. You can ask a steward to add the rights via this noticeboard. --Blad  (talk • contribs • global) 20:20, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, as I also mentioned on the Phabricator task that you opened the original account that requested the wiki isn't this one but Iroi so that's the account that has bureaucrats/administrator rights. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 20:20, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

How do I tell people about my new wiki?
How do I tell others about my wiki? The link is here. Garfnoblade (talk) 00:14, 9 November 2022 (UTC)


 * SEO is the best way to get others to know about your wiki. It's hard to perform but it's worth it. --Blad  (talk • contribs • global) 00:16, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Promote it on social as often as you can, as well as avenues relevant to your site's topic(s)/scope. For a good idea of how well your outreach is going, you can view Matomo-powered Special:Analytics on your wiki (specifically the Site Referrals/Search Keywords/Social Networks/Websites tabs). --Routhwick (talk) 10:23, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Could someone tell me the problem with this template?
https://fiction.miraheze.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Galerie When I want to place a "caption1" template, no problem. But when I place a "caption2", everything goes wrong. It is incomprehensible. Thanks in advance for your help. Darkrai18 (talk) 11:38, 10 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, are you still having this same problem with your wiki? I looked at your template and could it be because the "caption2" parameter is not defined at all in your template? --Anton (talk) 15:54, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello.
 * Actually, I've put the template back in its original version for now until I find a solution, but my screenshot versions are still available. I can find them for you if you want. Darkrai18 (talk) 15:58, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

How to resolve Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'strict' not found
On my Mizaheze wiki, the error Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'strict' not found, has started appearing on many templates, I imported a bunch a few weeks back and am assuming that is where the issue started, how do I resolve this issue? VexilNB (talk) 15:58, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, the same happened here in Meta just yesterday on one of the modules. Please take a look at Agent Isai's fix here. You can also just import the templates again. OrangeStar (talk) 16:08, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

My opinion about the removing of the Wiki's
In my opinion we should not remove the wikis. If we removed the wikis due to argument and turmoil, we should just ban other social media sites like Twitter and Facebook, heck even YouTube. In my opinion (and I know you all have made your decision with the network bureaucrats and stuff like that.) there should have been better mods. I didn't even look at the comments for the most part I was focused on the sites and reviews on why works of art(movies,games,shows,books)were considered good or bad. I feel like it was like YouTube in a figurative sense. Figuratively I just watch the videos and do not read the comments. I feel like with removing the wikis I feel like the constitutional Freedom of Speech we have is violated. I feel like we should be a able to express our love or hate for entertainment media. We should have just had the people guilty of spreading violence and toxicity held accountable. Think about Batman. In Batman Begins, Batman trains with the League of Shadows who believes that Gotham is not worth saving and must be destroyed, however Batman/Bruce Wayne doesn't believe that(1). He believes that Gotham: the city he loves, the city that literally murdered his parents, is worth saving. Now are we going to let Miraheze get ravaged and destroyed by the League of Shadows or are we going to fight for the survival of our.

Sources (1)Batman Begins Directed by Christopher Nolan, performances by Christen Bale, Cillian Murphy and Micheal Caine, Warner Brothers,2005. 67.189.68.211 18:23, 12 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Qualitipedia (what I assume you're referring to) was not closed by Stewards. It was closed following a successful community RfC. Tali64³ (talk) 18:46, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Noted 67.189.68.211 20:32, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Why is this on Miraheze Meta? Wouldn't this be more appropriate on Qualitipedia Meta? --Blad  (talk • contribs • global) 20:11, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Concur. There is otherwise quite a lot here that is just very off, not least of which the bizarre inappropriate mention of "freedom of speech" which is not a reference applicable to Miraheze or really any internet entity. --Raidarr (talk) 20:31, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Quite. The U.S. Constitution (Amendment I) does not say speech is always free; merely that it is never criminal.  And least of all that you are entitled to a service being provided to you at no cost and for all your videos to be where you want them to be.  In any case, Miraheze is now incorporated abroad.   23:02 13-Nov-2022
 * many people decided to close this because of drama, bias, etc. I decided because of these things, LTA's, and politics. The user who loves human heads on alien/animal bodies in cartoons for no reason (talk to me uwu!) 00:28, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * why are you spamming the noticeboard Chantolove (talk) 16:06, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Special pages do not work
I have a problem with my wiki. I clicked some random things and the Special pages do not work. Here is the wiki: https://axolotelcountry.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page Axolotel Ukraine (talk) 11:48, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi.How about making a report on Phabricator?Thanks by Buel ·Talk·Wikimail 13:52, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

DB141 wikis (e.g. The Bat Man Wiki) does not work as expected?
I try acessing the Bat Man Wiki, but the following message showed:

“Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.

Try waiting a few minutes and reloading.

Cannot access the database: Cannot access the database: Connection refused (db141) (db141))”

I also accessed other wiki, but this still happened.

What's wrong with DB141 wikis? How did this happen?


 * As the error notes, there are malfunctions in the database and any wiki based on DB141 is having issues. SRE is currently troubleshooting. Resolution time depends how long it takes to get a more experienced infrastructure member involved to take a look and fix the issues; it is known and in discussion on Discord. It is an ongoing situation; apologies for the inconvenience. Someone from SRE will likely make a statement on Meta later. --Raidarr (talk) 14:59, 16 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I hope the db141 wikis are recoverable, as I've invested a lot into Mariopedia (which has been down all day). Thankfully the other wikis I edit haven't been having this issue. Bawitdaba (talk) 01:01, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Mariopedia isn't the only one with this issue (Polandball, Qualtipedia Meta) The user who loves human heads on alien/animal bodies in cartoons for no reason (talk to me uwu!) 05:58, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * And Webkinz Guide, too. I really hope this issue gets fixed soon, because Webkinz World recently had its monthly update and that means new items. Unfortunately, this error is preventing users from uploading images of the new items. Very frustrating...please fix! Buzzfan120 (talk) 06:04, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Now Webkinz Guide is displaying a "Wiki not found" message. I really hope it didn't end up getting deleted.... Buzzfan120 (talk) 21:20, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * They are unlinked in CentralAuth to correct the login issue. All affected wikis are known and recovery is being worked on. --Raidarr (talk) 21:23, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * So the data isn't lost or corrupted, is that correct? If the wikis aren't privately backed up by Miraheze monthly, I think needs to. Better safe than sorry. Bawitdaba (talk) 21:26, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I will be frank: there is no promise that data wasn't lost. There was hardware failure involving two drives; they will be inspected and recovery efforts will be made by a reputable third party as needed assuming they were indeed the sole culprits. Better backup practices and fallback will be required going forward. But this should be taken as somewhat authoritative hearsay and not an official notice: the extent is not entirely known yet. --Raidarr (talk) 22:48, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah this is why I was saying that a lesson from this is for Miraheze to do better backup practices in the future. At least the images are at least stored on the servers, from what I've noticed. Bawitdaba (talk) 00:33, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * There is a tracking task for backups. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 01:04, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The wiki is hidden from view so users who visited the wiki can login globally. It's (hopefully) not gone forever. --Blad  (talk • contribs • global) 21:25, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Free Editing Wiki is down too. 1.158.238.102 22:12, 18 November 2022 (UTC) freeediting.miraheze.org
 * So that ...... When will they fixed? Also, a language bug occurred again! I set my interface language in "Preferences" to foreign language in Meta and some other wikis, but when I try editing pages (including this page), it shows by English! Even if some foreign language wikis' default language is their own language, their interface language became English. Again! Another bug occurred. What's wrong with that?
 * No ETA on when db141 is going back up. As for the latter, I can't answer that. --Blad  (talk • contribs • global) 13:03, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Couldn't we just move these wikis to a different database? Would that solve the problem? Buzzfan120 (talk) 03:13, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I do not understand English well. However, I looked up for dictionary so that I got the full meaning of this shortened word. Is ETA means "Estimated Time of Arrival"? So that it means "There is no estimated time of arrival on when DB141 is going back up"?
 * Yes. OrangeStar (talk) 17:17, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

CSS customization for the Vector skin
I want to customize the Vector legacy skin for my apperance but it doesn't work in full scale since CSS classes changed in newer MediaWiki versions. The code is on User:Vlad26t/vector.css. Vlad26t (talk) 16:57, 17 November 2022 (UTC)


 * In trying to assist here, I encountered an issue of my own. I set my skin to Vector Legacy and it just gives me Vector 2022, as though the Legacy skin was somehow missing. Perhaps another side effect of db141 going down, but still worth noting here. Hb1290 (talk) 11:27, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I checked around on Wikipedia and the toolbar doesn't seem to have an unique CSS class. You can use their ids, however.
 * "Page" -> ca-nstab-main
 * "Talk" -> ca-talk
 * "Read" -> ca-view
 * "Edit" -> ca-edit
 * "View source" (protected pages) -> ca-view-source
 * "View history" -> ca-history
 * "Add topic" -> ca-addsection
 * "Watch" -> ca-watch
 * "Unwatch" -> ca-unwatch
 * Sorry, I'm not exactly good at CSS, this is all I can help with. OrangeStar (talk) 15:42, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * That still doesn't give me an expected appearance. Is there anybody good at CSS? Vlad26t (talk) 07:28, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * You can use those ids to get the desired appearance. I supposed your problem was with the toolbar's style not matching your custom CSS. OrangeStar (talk) 10:19, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

日本語で失礼します～
Wiki作成はどうやるのでしょうか？--Hysije (talk) 11:28, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Hysije：Special:RequestWikiに移動して、必要事項を記入してください. コンテンツ・ポリシーに違反していたり、トピックについての説明が足りない申請は受理されません. 詳しい記事がDochouseというWikiにあるので、参考にしてみてください. --1108-Kiju / ▶ Talk 11:38, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * 主に3行程度、なぜウィキを作成したいのか、理由を書くと担当者によって受理されます. ここのホスティングサービスはサーバーがイギリスにあるので日本法は適用されないことに注意しましょう. by Buel ·Talk·e-mail 13:31, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * 一応日本法は適用されますよ. 1108-Kiju / ▶ Talk  13:45, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * topic, scope, purpose を明確に書けと書いてあります. Reasonと言っても「なぜウィキを作成したいのか」といった、いわゆる動機では無いでしょう. この辺は理由という言葉の日本語の曖昧さで誤解されているのでしょう. Dochouseの記事でもその点は明確になってませんね. もっとも例は良い内容ではありますが. AkiGoto (talk) 07:12, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

When will the db141 be fixed
P.S. (I'm Unreal_Neo Encyclopedia Wiki's Creator, My Wiki won't work)

When will it be possible to fix the db141(cloud14) and make it viewable in the Wiki hosted by the database...

I'm really worried that this accident will result in the loss of all the data on it, because I don't have any backup records yet... Sucrose Fans Rosalina129 04:57, 20 November 2022 (UTC)


 * unknown. The user who loves human heads on alien/animal bodies in cartoons for no reason (talk to me uwu!) 05:54, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * No clear ETA; updates are offered as they happen on Tech:SRE noticeboard. --Raidarr (talk) 01:23, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

What's happening to the wikis?
I keep trying to access wikis on this site like Random Wiki or The Reception Wikis Wiki, and all I get is an error message that says "Wiki Temporarily Unavailable". This has been going on for 3 days straight, and honestly, this is starting to get worrysome. I can understand this site's wikis not working for a couple hours, but 3 days? That's unbelievable. Can this be fixed? SuperStreetKombat (talk) 18:46, 19 November 2022 (UTC)


 * See Tech:SRE noticeboard. --Routhwick (talk) 20:00, 19 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I wish we had an ETA for when this issue will be fixed. I don't know how much longer I can wait and I really hope this gets fixed soon. Buzzfan120 (talk) 20:48, 19 November 2022 (UTC)


 * What if we moved the affected wikis to a different database? Do you suppose that might work? Buzzfan120 (talk) 03:27, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The affected wikis are inaccessible, thus moving them is impossible. There will be updates once the failed drives involved can be physically looked at and recovered if necessary. --Raidarr (talk) 01:21, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Let's just hope that this error doesn't last as long as that one time where comments were buffering or when comments in discussion tabs duplicated last year. SuperStreetKombat (talk) 08:25, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Moved to CN as it does not require Steward intervention. --Blad  (talk • contribs • global) 01:16, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Same because of Companyball and Polandball wikis are getting with same error Hyebun (talk) 09:59, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
 * An update to this issue has been posted here:
 * https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Community_noticeboard#Db141_update
 * --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 17:58, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

request InterWiki
Please add the following InterWiki to "dochouse.mirahze.org". -- Funa-enpitu（talk/Posting Record） 11:17, 21 November 2022 (UTC)


 * ✅ --  Joseph  TB  CT  CA   12:42, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

is db141 would be fixed even theres no eta
i don't want a 2 week downtime because i just gonna working to make Beemoovball page on companyball wiki

i hope some wikis are fixed soon as can Hyebun (talk) 09:53, 22 November 2022 (UTC)


 * SRE is doing everything they can, the server hosting that database is being reinstalled and the disks have been sent to a professional data recovery service, hopefully the database will be back soon. Please see Tech:SRE noticeboard for the latest updates on the db141 situation. OrangeStar (talk) 10:25, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
 * An update to this issue has been posted here:
 * https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Community_noticeboard#Db141_update
 * --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 17:59, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

A fast and simple method to backup Miraheze wikis
A fast and simple method to backup Miraheze wikis is Elsie Hupp's Python 3 fork of the WikiTeam dumpgenerator.py Python 2 script.

Except there is still some debugging needed - this doesn't yet work for every Miraheze wiki.

Example usage, this will produce an XML dump, a folder of images (and other files) and a JSON file: or on Windows:

The presence of a siteinfo.json file probably indicates a succesful XML dump.

Full instructions are at elsiehupp/wikiteam3. Rob Kam (talk) 10:16, 25 November 2022 (UTC)


 * i am not good at coding sorry Hyebun (talk) 09:40, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry I didn’t code lol PrincessTricktyy197 (talk) 17:29, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

お願い
日本語ながらすみませんがeditextendedprotectedを導入したいのですが、できません. やり方もしくは導入の方をお願いしたいです. こちらで間違えてビューロクラットを削除してしまい困っています. パンダ会長 (talk) 14:29, 25 November 2022 (UTC)


 * translated: I'm sorry for being Japanese, but I'd like to introduce editextendedprotected, but I can't. The user who loves human heads on alien/animal bodies in cartoons for no reason (talk to me uwu!) 16:06, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think you can create new protection levels in ManageWiki. OrangeStar (talk) 16:09, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * translated: ManageWikiでは新しい保護レベルを作れるとは思えません. AkiGoto (talk) 20:32, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * User:パンダ会長 also said that he(she?) accidentally deleted his(her?) bureaucrat permission on the tabemono wiki. Please help him(her?). AkiGoto (talk) 20:17, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * NotAracham alerted the Stewards, the user just has to wait until they give them the bureaucrat group. OrangeStar (talk) 20:48, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! / translated: NotAracham(訳注: 日本語も分かる利用者) がスチュワードになったので、その利用者(訳注: パンダ会長)はビューロクラットグループが与えられるのを待ってさえすれば良い. (…だと思います、訳があまり自信ありませんが. 多分裏で連絡してくれたんだと思います. ) AkiGoto (talk) 21:08, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * alterだと思ったらalertだったのね. 「NotArchamがスチュワードに通知したので」が正しかったようです. 失礼しました. AkiGoto (talk) 01:47, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Did u see that? PrincessTricktyy197 (talk) 21:39, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * パンダ会長, note: ビューロクラット権限についてはStewards' noticeboardにて、NotArachamさんにより再付与が依頼されています. / とは拡張承認された利用者のことで合っていますか？それなら、phabricatorで依頼する必要があります. T9400に前例があるようなので、参考にしてみてください.  / English: To create a new level of protection, you must request it in the phabricator. Please refer to T9400 for a precedent. --<font color="#000000">1108-Kiju /<font color="#000000">Talk  01:19, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * ビューロクラットについてはありがとうございます. 拡張保護です--パンダ会長 (talk) 02:14, 26 November 2022 (UTC).
 * translation: Thank you for the bureaucrats The user who loves human heads on alien/animal bodies in cartoons for no reason (talk to me uwu!) 06:21, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Why private wikis are allowed?
Why private wikis are allowed? I read the FAQ, but I could not find any reason. It seems private wikis contribute to the community (or the World) nothing. 'Open' is a Miraheze policy, isn't it? AkiGoto (talk) 02:46, 26 November 2022 (UTC)


 * People want private wikis to host their own thoughts. I don't see why we wouldn't offer them. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 06:27, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Miraheze does not have a social requirement to contribute to 'the' community, much less to the World. It merely asks that wikis fall within the Content Policy. Miraheze does not want to go out of its way to judge or discriminate scopes, public or private unless absolutely needed. "Open" has never been a policy. --Raidarr (talk) 12:17, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Miraheze is not as community-based as something like Fandom. Fandom wants any and all users to contribute to any wikis they want, and create wikis that others can freely edit, and so on. Miraheze just wants you to have a wiki. --<span style="font-weight: bold; background:linear-gradient(#ff00ff,#c800c8,purple,#c800c8,#ff00ff);; -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent">Blad  (talk • contribs • global) 14:29, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * "The community"? What community? Contrary to what you might assume from this page's title, every Miraheze user isn't part of some global scheme. It's just a site hosting site. Chantolove (talk) 20:39, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Where are all of the protests
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 * Out of scope and pointless thread that lead to the original poster (Blubabluba9990) indefinitely blocked from Meta as a whole, who was already topic-banned. --<span style="font-weight: bold; background:linear-gradient(#ff00ff,#c800c8,purple,#c800c8,#ff00ff);; -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent">Blad  (talk • contribs • global) 20:36, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

It has been two months since Qualitipedia's unfortunate closure and yet there has been very little resistance to the closure, apart from a few scattered threads. I expected this wiki to be flooded with requests to reopen the wikis. What is also upsetting about this is even though over 40 people voted oppose on the Request for Comment to close the wikis (including myself), only me and Money12123 have tried to continue their legacy. Where is everybody else? Why have none of the other 40 opposers protested the closure or joined the government in exile created by me and Money. Qualitipedia was very important and was influential in the history of Miraheze and yet people seem to have forgotten about it. Furthermore, new reception wikis are banned from being created, yet there have been no protests against that decision, despite Miraheze formerly being a haven for the reception wikis. Unfortunately due to Error 141 (which is what I am calling the temporary shutdown of the db141 wikis) I am unable to name everyone who opposed the proposal, since Qualitipedia Meta is one of the victims. If I could find the proposal I would have pinged all of the users who opposed the proposal here. I do know that Katsumi was one of the opposers, and many of the opposers were lesser-known Qualitipedia users. Also, CJWorldGame32345 is supposedly making a reboot of the wikis, though there have been no updates on it. I want all users who opposed the proposal to close the wikis to please step forward and join the government in exile, or at least explain why they haven't joined yet. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 17:39, 26 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Also, Raidarr has not responded to my comment on the discussion on Money12123's talk page regarding this. Also I just remembered another user who opposed the closureː HeavenSmile, who still remains vocal about the closure on Qualitipedia Meta. There is another user whose name I can't remember due to how long it is but he has repeatedly defended me. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 17:44, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Sir, you can't just go to the Community Noticeboard and ask why people aren't protesting about the shutdown of Qualitipedia. The wikis have been closed because the admins wanted it closed for good, whether you like it or not. No offense, but it's also really none of your business if the community didn't protest it either. CRAB-2 (talk) 17:48, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I am one of the few members of the Qualitipedia Government in Exile. Also, there are users who opposed it. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 17:51, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * If the admins wanted to shut it down, they can shut it down if they want. I'm assuming none of the users who opposed it were admins. Please just let the topic of QP to die, many people do not like it when you constantly complain about it here on Meta. CRAB-2 (talk) 17:55, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I can't just let it die because of how important it is to the world of reception. We cannot let Qualitipedia be forgotten. Me and Money formed the Qualitipedia Government in Exile to continue Qualitipedia's legacy and memory. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 17:58, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Look I know you're angry about your favorite internet community dying, but you can't just keep complaining and getting on everyone's nerves about it. They shut it down for many issues, and they're not gonna backtrack on it just because some guy on Community Noticeboard wrote multiple paragraphs on why it should be reopened. Just accept the fact it's closed permanently. CRAB-2 (talk) 18:02, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Well we have yet to hear from the other users who opposed the proposal. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 18:04, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Whatever they're gonna say will not change the result. The admins have closed the wikis, and they're gonna keep it closed. CRAB-2 (talk) 18:06, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * It wasn't closed by the Stewards from what I saw. There was an RfC, and the conclusion was to close the wikis, nothing more. OrangeStar (talk) 18:07, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Further proves my point. CRAB-2 (talk) 18:08, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Update - The name of the other user I was talking about is Szczypak2005. Me, Money12123, Tali64³, HeavenSmile, and Szczypak2005 are the only users who voted oppose on the RfC to close the wikis and who have also vocally opposed the closure afterwards, at least to my knowledge. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 17:54, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Just a reminder that this topic ban remains in force on Meta. While you may have formed a legacy government, that does give you immunity to Meta's community decision regarding the fact you are banned from engaging in discussions regarding Qualitipedia. If you engage in this thread once more to discuss it, you will be blocked for violating a topic ban. John (talk) 18:05, 26 November 2022 (UTC)


 * This is likely going to be a heated discussion, so please ensure everyone is following the Code of Conduct, and other relevant policies. Zppix (Meta &#124; talk to me) 17:50, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Understood. --<span style="font-weight: bold; background:linear-gradient(#ff00ff,#c800c8,purple,#c800c8,#ff00ff);; -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent">Blad  (talk • contribs • global) 17:53, 26 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Many presumably gave up. To be honest, I'm glad, it just makes our lives on Meta easier. Also, friendly reminder of your topic ban here on Meta. --<span style="font-weight: bold; background:linear-gradient(#ff00ff,#c800c8,purple,#c800c8,#ff00ff);; -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent">Blad  (talk • contribs • global) 17:52, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * If Error141 wasn't an issue, I would talk about this on another active wiki. This is a very active wiki and it needs to be said in a place where many users can hear it. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 17:56, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * If you can't find a wiki to discuss this on, then there's a solution. Just drop the discussion. You have been (justifiably) topic-banned here, and there's no point in continuing this discussion if nothing will change, nor has been changing for the past 3 months. With that being said, I am unsubscribing from this thread. Please do not ping me about it or use my talk page to discuss this matter. --<span style="font-weight: bold; background:linear-gradient(#ff00ff,#c800c8,purple,#c800c8,#ff00ff);; -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent">Blad  (talk • contribs • global) 18:03, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @HeavenSmile@Szczypak2005@Katsumi a.k.a. Upperdecker2562 Since you are the users that I remember opposed the proposal I am pinging you all here. If you know anyone else who opposed the proposal please ping them. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 18:03, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I also request that the three of you subscribe to this thread. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 18:05, 26 November 2022 (UTC)


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Could it be possible to adopt the reception wikis and run them independently
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 * Repetitive pursuits of a result that will not be reached. Please stop bringing up this topic. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 21:57, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Considering there are a few people on here, who would want to use the wikis. I feel like they should allow us to adopt the wikis and reopen them to a smaller group of people, for example the Terrible TV Shows wiki. Nidoking (talk) 15:19, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * No Agent Isai  Talk to me! 15:35, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * no + servers cost maitnence + will bring back toxicity + users have been shown to handle it irresponsibly + someone already did that The user who loves human heads on alien/animal bodies in cartoons for no reason (talk to me uwu!) 15:57, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Agreed, BTW the reception wikis of the past (from FANDOM-era to Qualitipedia-era) aren't meant to be taken seriously (which Character Wikis does after being independent from Qualitipedia). Hate to say reception wikis but I did and it is a shame that mainline reception wikis are changed from being for fun to being a serious wiki (at the time of ToE being rebranded to Qualitipedia), which is bad because reception wikis are written subjectively rather than objectively. TF3RDL (talk &#124; contribs &#124; FANDOM &#124; Wikipedia) 18:08, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * No. It is not necessary. There are already other revivals of Qualitipedia. Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 20:27, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, those revivals tend to have errors or they end up being shut down. Nidoking (talk) 20:30, 28 November 2022 (UTC)


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My wiki is down?
I have a wiki, and when I try to visit it, it says Wiki temporarily unavailable. It's been 5 days, or maybe even more since it started displaying that error message. Why is my wiki still down? My other wiki seems to be working correctly. JackyBorderCollie (talk) 16:28, 29 November 2022 (UTC)


 * db141 issue. We dont know when the wiki will be back up yet. The user who loves human heads on alien/animal bodies in cartoons for no reason (talk to me uwu!) 16:30, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The original wiki requester will need to take action if they want their wiki on db141 restored. More details here on how to request: Tech:Wiki_recreations --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 20:27, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Wikis affected by db141 issue now shows Action Required

 * So...I went to check on reception wikis to see if it is back and now it says Action Required. Does anyone know what that means? The user who loves human heads on alien/animal bodies in cartoons for no reason (talk to me uwu!) 19:02, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I looked it up. Apparently you have to wait until the wikis are back or recreate the wikis from scratch. Jesus The user who loves human heads on alien/animal bodies in cartoons for no reason (talk to me uwu!) 19:13, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The wiki requester can choose to either have a complete reset of the wiki, or wait for a (potential) data recovery. See more info here. --<span style="font-weight: bold; background:linear-gradient(#ff00ff,#c800c8,purple,#c800c8,#ff00ff);; -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent">Blad  (talk • contribs • global) 19:15, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Welp, looks like Miraheze is truly dead. SuperStreetKombat (talk) 22:01, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * When people's understanding of Miraheze is exclusively reception wikis, you realize how little they are aware of what Miraheze really is. --Raidarr (talk) 23:21, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Wha... I never once said that Miraheze is only the Reception Wikis; I just said that the wikis here have been unavailable for almost 2 weeks, and unless they can be re-opened soon, it looks like they might have to be recreated from scratch. SuperStreetKombat (talk) 23:36, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * No, you said Miraheze looks truly dead, while a small fraction (relatively, I do not deny the outage has had nasty impact) of overall wikis were affected and the only ones mentioned in context of this conversation were reception wikis. An exaggeration even if I was being presumptive in saying 'reception wikis' given our shared background on said wikis. --Raidarr (talk) 23:40, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Can we create new wiki in same url as old one?
The wikis on db141 just exist? by Buel ·Talk·e-mail 01:27, 30 November 2022 (UTC)


 * i do not know ★Giovanna/Xiaochan★ (talk) 03:05, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, for example here is the original request for Polcompball-Anarchy wiki and here is the same wiki being recreated in the same subdomain. OrangeStar (talk) 17:33, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * No, the original wiki requester will need to take action if they want their wiki on db141 restored. More details here: Tech:Wiki_recreations --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 20:24, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Cannot login to Phabricator
I tried to login to Miraheze Phabricator with my Miraheze username Lily and Miraheze password, I got the message Username or password are incorrect.

I am trying to request a restore one of my wikis. I have a Phabriator account (Manuela) which is different from the creator account (Lily) although in both cases I am the same person. My request on Phabricator has vanished, I suppose it has been deleted

The contact link at the Phabricator login page is not very helpful for me, there is no obvious possibility to make contact (I do not want to edit the help page). What can I do? Lily talk and I will listen · Lilypond Wiki 11:04, 30 November 2022 (UTC) Update: My request is still there, I had to extend the page --Lily talk and I will listen · Lilypond Wiki 11:09, 30 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Never log in with the traditional format; only 'Login with MediaWiki' should be needed. --Raidarr (talk) 13:02, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, can you provide me a link for the login? I cannot see this 'Login with MediaWiki' LilyLilyu - smile.svg talk and I will listen · Lilypond Wiki 19:31, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The "Login with MediaWiki" option should be directly under the text fields for the regular Phabricator login at the bottom right. <span style="background:linear-gradient(90deg,crimson,indigo, #ADD8E6); -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">Marxo Grouch (talk) 22:59, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, got it. I thought that "MediaWiki" meant my MediaWiki account on the MediaWiki site, not at Miraheze LilyLilyu - smile.svg talk and I will listen · Lilypond Wiki 16:28, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

The nighttime background for the Cosmos skin of Loathsome Characters Wiki isn't showing up.
Hello there, I'm ShawnTehLogoBoi, a bureaurcat of the Charactapedia Wikis. Me and CrazySpruiker2001 are using a nighttime background for the background of Loathsome Characters Wiki, but we can't find a way to make it visible. We tried various ways to make it show up, including applying it to "Cosmos Background Image" and using its URL in "Styling", but it's still not showing up. How can we make the nighttime background for the Cosmos skin of LCW visible? ShawnTehLogoBoi (talk) 13:25, 30 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm having the same problem with a background not appearing with the Cosmos skin on a private wiki I'm making, so I'd like to know the answer too. It seemed to appear once and then went away. I've tried all the settings, nothing makes it come back. Bonbonyoshi (talk) 13:54, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Can you explain what you want? For me, that wiki's background is just a solid purple color, what changes do you want to make? OrangeStar (talk) 17:25, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I wanted to add a nighttime background to the Cosmos skin for Loathsome Characters Wiki and its sister wiki, Incredible Characters Wiki. ShawnTehLogoBoi (talk) 18:34, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * You mean the background when enabling dark mode?
 * In that case, you can do that by using MediaWiki:Cosmos.css, the stylesheet loaded when that skin is enabled. Is the background a color or an image? I'll write some CSS for you. OrangeStar (talk) 18:43, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I wasn't referring to the background of the Cosmos skin when enabling dark mode. I was referring to the background for the Cosmos skin on both wikis. ShawnTehLogoBoi (talk) 18:58, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * That can too be done on each wiki's MediaWiki:Cosmos.css. OrangeStar (talk) 19:01, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * How should I add the nighttime background to each wiki's Cosmos skin? ShawnTehLogoBoi (talk) 19:15, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * See User:OrangeStar/cosmos.css. If you paste the  there into your /Cosmos.css user subpage at your wikis or at MediaWiki:Cosmos.css (to change it for all users), it'll change the background to pitch black. Tune the colors as you need. To get the colors, you can use a color picker, like the one here. OrangeStar (talk) 20:05, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I tried it out now... and that nighttime background still isn't visible! It just shows a blank background instead. ShawnTehLogoBoi (talk) 20:25, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Now I see what you wanted. I updated User:OrangeStar/cosmos.css, add the new  section to your wiki and the image will be added. Keep in mind I don't recommend using images as the background, see File:Screenshot 2022-11-30 21-31-49.png. OrangeStar (talk) 20:37, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * How do I add the new .mediawiki section though? ShawnTehLogoBoi (talk) 20:39, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Like you did the first time, just replace the one at your wiki with the new one at my cosmos.css page. OrangeStar (talk) 20:41, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay then. ShawnTehLogoBoi (talk) 20:51, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm getting confused now. How can I add the nighttime background using the wiki's additional settings? ShawnTehLogoBoi (talk) 21:47, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Could you please help me here after you've helped him? Treat this like a seperate case only after the other one has finished. Thank you. Bonbonyoshi (talk) 20:29, 30 November 2022 (UTC)


 * What are you trying to use as the background? Is it just a color or do you want to use an image? OrangeStar (talk) 21:21, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * It's fine, it doesn't really matter anymore. You said the image wouldn't work properly and my issue is that it did work earlier and now it isn't. I can try it on my own. Bonbonyoshi (talk) 21:41, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok. Keep in mind the problem with using images as the background is that if you don't design them properly, it can end up like in the image (in that it's obvious where it repeats). Good luck. OrangeStar (talk) 21:47, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * My issue is not that it's not designed properly. It was. It looked perfect. Now it's gone away and I would link to a picture but I get warnings every time I try to upload anything. I don't understand what I've done wrong for it to suddenly go away. I've tried every combination of setting and it won't come up. Bonbonyoshi (talk) 21:49, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

How do I add myself as a user so I can post to wiki to keep it active? 15 days remaining
ooo How do I add myself as a user to lizhongresearch.miraheze.org so I can post to wiki to keep it active? 15 days remaining Imamy (talk) 06:07, 1 December 2022 (UTC)


 * If you would like to resurrect the wiki, you can make a request on requests for reopening wikis. --Raidarr (talk) 15:07, 1 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you for providing the link. I have put in a request to reopen the wiki. --Imamy (talk) 06:01, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

How to find which db my wiki is on?
I'm glad my wiki doesn't seem to have been on the damaged database. Where in the settings/info should I look if I want to know which db it IS on, for the sake of easily knowing if future db problems/maintenance/etcetcetc affect my site? Chantolove (talk) 20:43, 1 December 2022 (UTC)


 * In your wiki's  page, scroll down until you see the Database cluster, then check Tech:Server usage where it points. ~ajhalili2006 (Miraheze Meta user talk or local wiki | contribs across wiki farm | send email) 00:50, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Question about update
Hello. I wished to ask when the System administrator team is planning to upgrade Miraheze to 1.39. I understand there are some hardware issues that have taken up the Team's time but I would like to know what an approximate ETA is for the upgrade as a general idea. DeeM28 (talk) 06:30, 2 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Also, could you please give us an update on an ETA for when the database issues will be fixed? We all need to stay updated. Buzzfan120 (talk) 07:15, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
 * There can be no accurate ETA for the database issues.
 * Consequentially the update cannot proceed until the database issues are resolved (we haven't even been able to kick gluster, that update is still dead thanks to the outage...). So I'm afraid both inquiries are dead in the water until things progress in 'the real world' - I believe the drives need to be sent to Void right now? --Raidarr (talk) 14:26, 2 December 2022 (UTC)