Requests for Comment/Meta bans RfC

While there is currently a global bans RfC it may very well be that a situation would arise where a user doesn't meet the criteria for a global ban but has nonetheless done things on Meta that the community thinks deserve a local Meta community ban. In order to avoid having to re-vote on the same exact proposals as in the global RfC, I'm proposing that we have the starting point which is that everything from the global RfC applies and then we have specific proposals to make it more appropriate for Meta (since obviously things like blocks on other wikis aren't relevant to Meta). Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 20:29, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Co-initiator: Agent Isai  Talk to me! 03:56, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Proposal 1
Successful conditions from the global bans RfC apply to Meta community bans as well, with modifications in proposals below. Reference to global groups and terms ('Stewards', 'global') will be converted to local references ('bureaucrats', 'local').

Support

 * 1)  This works. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 01:47, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 2)  No issues with this, a formal community ban RfC is needed anyway in the case of any future community ban from Meta.  Agent Isai  Talk to me! 03:56, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 3)  as proposer. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 07:25, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 4)  Per above. --DeeM28 (talk) 12:02, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 5) MacacoKouhai (talk) 19:06, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Proposal 2 (Criteria)

 * In order for a Meta community ban to be requested the user must exhibit conduct issues and remediation attempts to address such conduct have failed.

Support

 * 1)  This wording is essentially the same as with the global bans RfC so I see no issue.  Agent Isai  Talk to me! 03:56, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 2)  per the Global bans RfC. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 07:25, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 3)  Per above. --DeeM28 (talk) 12:02, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 4) MacacoKouhai (talk) 19:06, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Comments

 * 1)  There’s no numerical way to judge this criteria. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 01:41, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Proposal 3 (Accounts)

 * In order to file a request for a Meta community ban, the nominator must have:


 * A Meta account which is at least 3 months old
 * At least 250 Meta edits. These edits may not consist of directly copy/pasting content from other wikis, they must be edits done by the user.

Support

 * 1)  Good way to prevent frivolous Meta community ban RfCs.  Agent Isai  Talk to me! 03:56, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * This RfC is about meta-only bans. Naleksuh (talk) 04:31, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Indeed, my comment erroneously referred to community bans as global bans and that has since been fixed. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 04:38, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 1)  It makes sense to have less activity required than for global bans due to Meta bans not being as serious (since users can still edit other wikis) and the fact that it may be more difficult to have many edits on Meta. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 07:25, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 2)  Per comments in the global bans RfC. --DeeM28 (talk) 12:02, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 3) MacacoKouhai (talk) 19:06, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Abstain

 * 1)  as I really don’t see the need for this but can’t oppose it. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 01:44, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Proposal 4 (Quorum)

 * A Meta community ban request must have had ten (10) users, meeting the requirements of Requests for Comment Policy, express a view (in favour, opposed, or neutral).

Support

 * 1) . Would even consider upping this to 20 users. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 01:43, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 2)  No issues with this. Community bans should, like global bans, be a measure of last resort and should reflect broad community consensus.  Agent Isai  Talk to me! 03:56, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 3)  Makes sense to have a lower threshold per Propoasl 3. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 07:25, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 4)  I supported a 10 user threshold for global bans and even though I believe that the Meta one should be inferior a 5 user limit would be too little so 10 will have to do. --DeeM28 (talk) 12:02, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 5) MacacoKouhai (talk) 19:06, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Proposal 5 (Applicability to Discord)
Meta bans do not currently apply to Discord automatically and are decided on a case-by-case basis by local moderators.
 * Meta community bans will automatically apply to Discord.

Oppose

 * 1)  Discord is a global Miraheze platform, and is not exclusive to Meta. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 01:42, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 2)  Per above, it makes more sense to allow moderator discretion in this case as the user isn't globally banned. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 07:25, 24 July 2022 (UTC)