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 * Agent Isai responded in a thread above that 500 is too high of a limit and could potentially cause strain on Miraheze's servers. As the sole bureaucrat and administrator on the wiki in question, I don't think that asking Stewards to raise the parser function limit for that wiki in particular would be very useful, given its nature. Tali64³ (talk) 15:19, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe 250 could suffice? Several pages and templates have issues relating to the expensive parser limit. Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail | please vote on my adminship ) 15:22, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Agent recommended a 150 function limit in the mentioned thread. That's generally the most that Wikipedia templates use. Tali64³ (talk) 15:24, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The pages that were exceeding limit both had about 210 expensive calls, so 300 would probably be appropriate. Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail | please vote on my adminship ) 15:40, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * For a wiki like freeediting I would concur that 150 should be the starting point and no more unless strictly necessary. I'd even suggest reducing the templates themselves if they really keep hitting upper bounds - the road works both ways. Perhaps we can look at the pages in question and optimize them. --Raidarr (talk) 15:41, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Correction: the calls were actually 333 and 150 respectively. The templates with the most calls are: ping, reddit. Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail | please vote on my adminship ) 15:43, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * How many people did you ping? Agent Isai  Talk to me! 15:44, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Only the same few people, but the calls add up. Every user pinged seems to use 3 expensive calls. Maybe if the variables extension was enabled, the expensive calls could be reused. Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail | please vote on my adminship ) 15:46, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The variables extension would be nice to have for a lot other reasons too, but it still won't completely solve the expensive parser function issue. Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail | please vote on my adminship ) 15:58, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * For ping in particular I'll reiterate my advice elsewhere; if a lot of expensive pings are involved then some more efficient form of contact should be considered because I'm not sure what the need is for all those calls if pings make up a significant portion of 300+ calls at 3 calls apiece. --Raidarr (talk) 15:58, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Here's the source code: https://freeediting.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Ping&action=edit Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail | please vote on my adminship ) 16:01, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * ...I'm very skeptical of the need to add that many additional elements to the ping. It's an expensive enough function where its overuse is discouraged including mass pinging of so many prospective people, at which point a more economic announcement would be preferred since you'd obviously be notifying a great deal of the wiki's population (in this case several times the amount of active users). --Raidarr (talk) 16:04, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I did fifty as that's what the docs say is the ping limit. Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail | please vote on my adminship ) 16:06, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Technical limits of the software can often exceed limits of what is practical. That's what I'm trying to impress. --Raidarr (talk) 16:31, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't think it really matters though. The expensive parser function count count is proportional to the amount of users pinged, so reducing the amount of arguments wouldn't help. One thing I'm unsure of is where an expensive function is actually called. Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail | please vote on my adminship ) 16:40, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * This circles back to what I said originally, which is essentially: why do you need to do all of that on one page in the first place? --Raidarr (talk) 16:52, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Do what? Ping users? Why would I do that across multiple pages? I'm not mass pinging, it's just the cumulative EPFs from the same few users ping each other. Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail | please vote on my adminship ) 17:02, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I've marked as by proxy on two counts besides the line of questioning above on need; for one this was never technically valid because the requestor is not a bureaucrat, and for two the bureaucrat in recognition of the wiki's deeper issues has decided on closing it, meaning this can serve no purpose. --Raidarr (talk) 18:26, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The wiki is also closed now. Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail | please vote on my adminship ) 18:27, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Raidarr already mentioned that. Tali64³ (talk) 18:35, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh. I didn't see for some reason. Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail | please vote on my adminship ) 18:38, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Requesting lifting of current user restrictions
Hi there, I'd like to request the lifting of the user restrictions imposed by Stewards as outlined here. I believe I have improved on concerns that were raised earlier by Stewards, and have shown competency in multiple fields on and around Miraheze. I am happy to answer any questions or concerns. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 03:22, 7 March 2023 (UTC)


 * For the first paragraph you link, I think that what Raidarr mentions isn't a restriction and is just generally good practice. "the interest needs to be in context of what you can do so it does not for example confuse people on the SN" is valid for everyone. As a general rule, people should only reply on SN if they are relatively certain about their answer as otherwise they risk confusing users who are looking for the correct answers.
 * As for the registration restrictions, I also don't see why they would need to be removed and again believe that it's best practice for everyone to do so. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 11:27, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * If it isn't a restriction, could you confirm then that all existing Steward restrictions have expired/been removed? There have been issues lately regarding miscommunication and confusion regarding my restrictions, with multiple users (including me) having believed that all existing restrictions had expired besides T/S. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 17:08, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't want to lift something that I don't know exists so what I can say is that the restrictions you mention given by Raidarr can be lifted at this stage. I must emphasize however that as I said above they are good practice anyway and therefore I wouldn't recommend straying away from them even if they're not formal 'restrictions'. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 19:23, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I just spoke with Raidarr via Discord and they confirmed that no further Steward restrictions are in effect, as you just terminated the last remaining ones. I still have a Meta sysop restriction (see AN) but other than that, nothing. And yeah, I know it’s still general convention. Just nice not to have it codified/restricted explicitly for me. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 00:01, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Please Rename My Account
I want to be renamed as Szczypak64 because my old username looks now cheesy and I don't want to use this username anymore. Szczypak2005 (talk) 07:50, 8 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi there You can submit a global rename request at Special:GlobalRenameRequest. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 07:59, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Revoke Famepedia's custom domain and merge it with the countless other generic encyclopedias on Miraheze
Famepedia recently redirected its custom domain to some for-profit business or something, so now visiting famepedia.miraheze.org takes you to a completely irrelevant website. I can't even visit their main page, but you can view the wiki's recent changes page at least.

Now, we have enwiki.miraheze.org, allpedia.miraheze.org, and famepedia.miraheze.org that are both generalized encyclopedias about  with hardly any rules. They've repeatedly gotten in trouble for mass-importing Wikipedia pages and are just horribly managed. I'd say that ingen.miraheze.org is sort of a similar topic, except they don't like Wikipedia's no censorship rule, so given that it's the only encyclopedia we have here that isn't abandoned, maybe it'd be the one that the other wikis should be merged into. However, allpedia.miraheze.org appears to be more active (mostly consisting of people vandalizing it and raidarr reverting the edits), so maybe it's the one that the other wikis should be merged into, and ingen.miraheze.org could be left out of it. Collei (talk) 19:23, 8 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I've unset the custom domain. I will review the wiki and confer with fellow Stewards on what to do with the wiki. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 23:56, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Collei (talk) 02:46, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Update for observers; ingen and famepedia are gone. Allpedia remains, such as it is. If you find further issue with it (ie, imported pages without attribution) I can address it in a local capacity through direct message or an update here. --Raidarr (talk) 18:29, 9 March 2023 (UTC)