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Visual Editor isn't working on my wiki?
Sorry if this isn't the right place to ask but I've only just made this wiki and I don't seem to have the Visual Editor extension, but everywhere I read about it, it says it should be automatically enabled. I go to my extensions and Visual Editor is greyed out. Is there something I should download first? This is the link to my wiki I made it temporarily public https://endlessnightswriting.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page Raichu&#39;s Endless Nights (talk) 18:10, 6 June 2021 (UTC)


 * You need to enable the TemplateData extension first, then enable VisualEditor. I have ✅ this for you this time, per your request, so you can visualize the workflow for next time (should there be a next time). I would also recommend enabling  in Special:ManageWiki/settings on your wiki for improved functionality with VisualEditor. Lastly, if you make a request for assistance from Stewards here or from Site Reliability Engineering on Phabricator, you don't need to make your wiki public as both those groups have global   access and can assist you in accommodating your request / finding a solution. Dmehus (talk) 18:20, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

How do I view a translated page?
Hi

I am very new and I am testing to make a wiki in 4 languages.

I have already activated some extensions for translation and I can successfully translate a page. But when I link the page in the sidebar and switch the language, I still only see the English version.

Here is my wiki:

https://linuc.miraheze.org

Here is the main page in English:

https://linuc.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page

Here is the main page in German, it exists:

https://linuc.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page/de

Here the page "What is LinuC" in English, linked in the sidebar under "Welcome":

https://linuc.miraheze.org/wiki/Whatislinuc

Here is the German version, it exists:

https://linuc.miraheze.org/wiki/Whatislinuc/de

But I ALWAYS only see the English versions, no matter which language I choose. The language of the sidebar and menu changes, but the page remains the same.

What am I doing wrong? Linuc (talk) 21:58, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

I still have the problem that the page doesn't change when I change the language. The language is changed in the sidebar, menu and footer, but the page remains. I then have to click the item in the sidebar again so that the page also changes language. Can I automate this, maybe with a code in the page text? I want to avoid the additional language switcher at the top of the page. Here are some links to drupal, where the translation of entities and fields is described relatively simply. With this method, NO additional pages are created, but only information units of the page are translated and stored in additional records. With the language setting, the page is then filled with the appropriately translated elements. All elements are treated the same, regardless of whether it is its title field, a page text field, a menu entry (sidebar entry), a botton or something else. This is much easier for the user to handle and results in less redundant data. Is this function available at miraheze? If so, how do I use it? I hope you have time to look into it soon. I want to work on my wiki as soon as possible. Otherwise I have to look for another solution or set up my own website with MediaWiki or WP on a hoster. That would be a shame, because we should try to use the same resources together, this prevents a flood of redundant installations of the same tools on different hosters. Setting up MediaWiki and then just doing a single wiki is absurd. The same for WP. All this tools can handle more then one Website/Wiki and even more then one user. drupal.org/docs/user_guide/en/multilingual-chapter.html
 * Linuc Three questions: (1) Have you added   to the top of the source, non-translation page? This code provides the language chooser; (2) have you set an interface language preference in Special:Preferences or Special:GlobalPreferences? This determines which language subpage you'll hit; and (3) are you using   prefixes before your internal and interwiki wikilinks, where applicable? Also, this thread should be asked at community noticeboard, but I'll move this there once it concludes. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 22:02, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you! To (1): no. But I will test this now. (2) I will take a look. (3) The translation I do over the link "translate this page", after I have made the page translatable with . They automatically are named with /de, so for example Main_Page/de. Should it be better /de/Main_Page ? How would I do this, as they are getting the name automatically from the translation function? I will right you more, when I have tested it again. But maybe tomorrow or Monday. Linuc (talk) 23:23, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, I have a little success! After I inserted "languages ​​/" and translated the page again, limited to 4 languages, I can now see the 4 languages ​​to choose from directly above the text. English is always displayed first, then I can switch to German. The language does not change in the sidebar and menu, just the page text. And if I choose a language that has not yet been translated, the translation function opens, even if I am not logged in.
 * I didn't find any setting for interface language preference.
 * When I use Special:MyLanguage/, the page jumps back to the main page. Nothing happened.
 * In addition: If I change the language in the function in the sidebar, or at the top right above the page text, from English to German, the sidebar and the menu are changed to German. However, my extension does not change in the sidebar, so "Welcome" stays in English. Do I have to do a translation for the sidebar as well? Where? And why do the existing texts change to German, for example "Main Page" but not "Welcome"?
 * Seems a little difficult to find the way, but it will work out. 6 years ago I made a small website with drupal and had similar problems there. There were two translation methods there, an old one and a new one. The new one was called "Internationalization" and then it finally worked. The old one doesn't. Linuc (talk) 00:12, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't like the current solution with the additional language bar at the top of the page text. And I'm sure there is a better solution, because the language changeover in the sidebar works perfectly with Wikipedia. And Wikipedia is made with the same tool as miraheze : MediaWiki
 * The additional language bar is not very nice, it becomes a block with many languages and it has no influence on the sidebar, menu and footer. The visitor don't like to handle the language on two points!
 * Since it works on Wikipedia without this additional language bar, it must also be possible with miraheze.
 * Maybe it needs other modules for translation? In drupal I saw that there are two options.
 * 1. The translations are new pages.
 * 2. The translations are attributes of a page (node)
 * We need number 2. I think it is "internationalizasion" module. Is that possible? It would be great if I could set up my wiki at miraheze and not at fandom or another "toy store" :-) Linuc (talk) 15:24, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Dmehus
 * In the meantime I've managed to translate the items in the sidebar. With pages in MediaWiki namespace for each language, I can translate a title in the sidebar and display it in the visitor's language. The same works for the link text of an item. With Special:MyLanguage/ in front of the target of an item, I can reach the corresponding page in the main. I still have a problem with the title of the page, i.e. with the end of the url. In some pages it shows the ending /de (What_is_LinuC/de), in some not (Hardware). Maybe a question how I did the translation? Created the page directly and entered the translated text, or created the page using the translation interface? But actually I don't need this title, because I can put the title in the page text. How do I turn off the display of the url ending at the top of the page? Can I also use a node (node/3475) instead of a page name (What_is_LinuC)? For the visitor, the name (ending of the url) in the url is not important, just the domain. The method with MediaWiki namespace and translation pages produces a lot of work and a lot of pages! To have a page in 4 languages ​​and linked in the sidebar, I need 4 pages in MediaWiki namspace and 4 pages in main. So 8 pages for one page! In addition, the translation method divides the page text, which leads to many sub-pages. If I have 10 subdivisions on a page, then I have 1 translation page with 10 sub-pages, i.e. 11. With 4 languages ​​I have 44 translation pages, plus the 4 in MediaWiki namespace for the sidebar items, so toal 48! Horror!
 * In the meantime I've managed to translate the items in the sidebar. With pages in MediaWiki namespace for each language, I can translate a title in the sidebar and display it in the visitor's language. The same works for the link text of an item. With Special:MyLanguage/ in front of the target of an item, I can reach the corresponding page in the main. I still have a problem with the title of the page, i.e. with the end of the url. In some pages it shows the ending /de (What_is_LinuC/de), in some not (Hardware). Maybe a question how I did the translation? Created the page directly and entered the translated text, or created the page using the translation interface? But actually I don't need this title, because I can put the title in the page text. How do I turn off the display of the url ending at the top of the page? Can I also use a node (node/3475) instead of a page name (What_is_LinuC)? For the visitor, the name (ending of the url) in the url is not important, just the domain. The method with MediaWiki namespace and translation pages produces a lot of work and a lot of pages! To have a page in 4 languages ​​and linked in the sidebar, I need 4 pages in MediaWiki namspace and 4 pages in main. So 8 pages for one page! In addition, the translation method divides the page text, which leads to many sub-pages. If I have 10 subdivisions on a page, then I have 1 translation page with 10 sub-pages, i.e. 11. With 4 languages ​​I have 44 translation pages, plus the 4 in MediaWiki namespace for the sidebar items, so toal 48! Horror!
 * drupal.org/docs/user_guide/en/language-config-translate.html
 * drupal.org/docs/user_guide/en/planning-data-types.html Linuc (talk) 13:16, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of Fort of Chains wiki
Hello. I would like to delete the wiki, "Fort of Chains", since I won't be needing it anymore. Thanks. TheDom102 (talk) 07:37, 7 June 2021 (UTC)


 * TheDom102 Since you've generated an XML dump and because you've contributed nearly all page content to this wiki, this has been ✅ per your request. Thank you. Dmehus (talk) 15:02, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Suppai Strikes Back
He's still trying to take down : https://horriblemusicandsongs.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Suppai   — Mario  Mario  456  15:15, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I have blocked them for a month based on the continued pattern of behaviour following the previous 1 week block. John (talk) 15:29, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

MediaWiki internal error
MediaWiki internal error occurs in two wikis, 자유반달위키, and 온니원위키. I'm a bureaucrat in both wikis. Hill (talk) 05:19, 8 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't see error. Can you tell me exactly what page it is on? --Anton (talk) 08:07, 8 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Oh, that error was solved around 4 o'clock in Korean time. 거미몬 (talk) 09:30, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It's quite possible this is the internal error that was resolved/fixed by Universal Omega last night. Universal Omega, can you confirm? Dmehus (talk) 15:01, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

i edit on my wiki and i keep getting error
hi i try to edit on my wiki and I keep getting errors can you fix it https://clubpenguin.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page Andrew071117 (talk) 14:00, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Please specify what errors you're getting. — Arcversin (talk) 14:55, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * i was getting the mediawiki intenel error but it start working again Andrew071117 (talk) 14:58, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * This is likely related to the error reported in the above thread, and likely the one resolved by Universal Omega. Dmehus (talk) 15:00, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Request Wiki Restoration
Hello,

I would like to request the restoration of a lately deleted wiki: roborne.miraheze.org

I have tried looking for requirements but I'm not sure what to do. I have downloaded the torrent backup but I doubt I needed to do that?

Best Regards Salepate (talk) 09:11, 4 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Salepate Unfortunately, it seems your wiki database has already been dropped, in this batch of dropped wikis. Please advise if you wish to proceed with your wiki restoration, so I can recreate your wiki, add an interwiki prefix for the import, and request your deleted wiki be imported in a Phabricator ticket. Dmehus (talk) 05:19, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Salepate Since you hadn't requested the wiki and filed a Phabricator task, I've gone ahead, presuming it was this wiki and ✅ your wiki in this log action. I've also created Phabricator ticket #T7439 to restore your presumed wiki's XML dump from Reception123's  on  . One question, though, I noted the wiki was originally requested by Woli. Was that a prior account of yours, or a different user entirely? Dmehus (talk) 06:23, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

I want this wiki to go live FOREVER even months without editing
Can an administrator please remove the dormancy policy from ~onibuswiki, because I made a lot of content and I don't want it to be deleted, besides I'm almost finishing it. YellowFrogger (talk) 22:49, 7 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Your wiki has been added to the exemptions. -- Void  Whispers 02:28, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * YellowFrogger I've merged your requests into one. Please note that I was in the process of assessing your request, with a view to granting your request, so there was no need to post a duplicate request. Nevertheless, this has been ✅ by Void. Dmehus (talk) 06:01, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Add sitenotice to
Attempt #3 of my election is now live. Add this to mh:horriblemusicandsongs:MediaWiki:Sitenotice on

There is currently a bureaucrat election taking place.

—Mario Mario 456 14:59, 9 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm going to mark this as ❌ for now, as I still have to close your first election request, then initiate a new process based on the results of the consensus formed from the local discussion. I aim to do this in the next couple of days. Please remember we're all volunteers here, and to have patience. Dmehus (talk) 15:47, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I already closed the election, unintentionally on the time you scheduled. —Mario Mario 456 16:01, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It's the responsibility of local bureaucrats to close local elections. With no active bureaucrats on that wiki, it falls to a Steward. I'll review your close, but I doubt it reflects the prevailing arguments in the discussion, which need to be noted in the close and taken into consideration. Dmehus (talk) 16:06, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Global lock for SporeShroom2007
Violated the Code of Conduct on sephspacewiki. Here's the proof. The CoC-violating bit is this edit summary: Created page with "" —Mario Mario 456 04:47, 10 June 2021 (UTC)


 * ❌ for a couple reasons. For one thing, we would not lock an established user based on a single instance. We'd engage with the user and remind them to be civil. Dmehus (talk) 04:52, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Why is FuturisticHub forbidden on Terrible TV Shows?

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
 * Related to this close, Rotten Websites Wiki needs to clarify that fetish art is not prohibited by Miraheze guidelines. Any prohibition on fetish art is a local wiki policy or guideline. Dmehus (talk) 16:08, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

I remember when Terrible TV Shows wiki used to have page on FuturisticHub because of his fetish videos, and I decided to make fun of him, yet it's very biased and would cause drama. I apologize for causing drama to FuturisticHub just because of his fetish videos, especially the infamous NEEDED IN MINECRAFT video.

Anyway, you requested Terrible TV Shows to forbid anything about FuturisticHub. But why? Maxkatzur (talk) 11:48, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I think this is rather a question for Terrible TV Shows wiki. I for one am not aware of any request from Stewards that would 'forbid' content about FuturisticHub, assuming the "you" meant Stewards. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 16:03, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd check with . He was the last person if I remember to review that content. To be honest, it wouldn't have been a bad idea if he did. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  17:31, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not aware of a FuturisticHub page on . I'm aware of a similarly named former page on another wiki, though, which Stewards opted to remove as it contained information contrary to Content Policy (namely, unsourced, defamatory, wholly negative, and potentially libelous information). Can you give us a few more details on the page on this wiki? Dmehus (talk) 17:36, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Prior to its closure on FANDOM, there was a page on Terrible TV Shows wiki criticizing FuturisticHub, the Minecraft animator infamous for his fetish videos and the now-infamous NEEDED IN MINECRAFT video. Maxkatzur (talk) 05:33, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
 * @Dmehus First of, yes one of you did delete the TerribleTVShows wiki article giving the same reasons as you cited above for that "other" article on that "other" wiki you mention. You say that specific article was violating the coc based on "unsourced, defamatory, wholly negative, and potentially libelous information" and all the while it did not do any of that (Assuming that using archived links from archive.org and screenshots CLEARLY showing someone's bad behavior is not enough for your sourcing checks). Additionally, some Steward removed the article featured on TerribleTVShows for the exact same reason, in spite of the fact that everything noted on the article could be found on the con-artist FuturisticHub's Youtube channel, yes absolutely all of it. Moreover, that TerribleTVShows article only covered a part of FuturisticHub's crankery, that was fairly innocent. The only thing you could say about both articles being in violation of your coc, if you want to stretch the pedantry further out, is that both articles were being wholly negative (At the same time, what good could you write about douchebags? Hypothetically, if any article on Hitler was made on Miraheze, it would immediately violate your code of conduct because it is wholly negative, how's that fair).
 * That also dawned on me that you bunch removed 2 articles based on a pretending-victim which did not violate any of your coc (In fact, I am gonna add that they were allowed on each respective wiki for a duration of 1 year and a half ) and then did absolutely no mediation with anyone, instead you immediately pulled the plug out of nowhere. None of that is transparent either, gossiping about whether an article should get removed on Discord only let's people who DO HAVE DISCORD see what's being said there and either take that as a warning for what's to come or make their case against the decision. You strive so much to be like Wikipedia, start off by doing actual AfDs publicly on Miraheze instead of gossiping between yourselves on Discord, because that system is neither transparent nor fair for any of your users.
 * And with all honesty, why do you listen to that Sociopathic Mythomaniac? He figuratively tried to clean his ass off after harassing a dozen of people online, all of them came forward to state the very same thing: They were harassed by him, they were blackmailed by him, they received fraudulent lawsuits and had to file an anti-SLAPP back, etc. FuturisticHub already claims to be a woman called Holly, [only because of a dispute https://www.engadget.com/2016-04-04-youtube-channel-dispute-20m-award.html]. He lost his Youtube channel, but his wife re-integrated it by claiming that she owns it when she barely does anything on it. When you claim to be someone you are not, that already is a reason to take what you say with a grain of salt. I am gonna ask that right now and right there, why did you not verify the claims yourselves instead of screaming "ZOMG DEFAMATION!" and remove 2 articles that were fine before that guy decides to show up to smooth-talk you? And when I am saying "you", I am talking of all the Stewards running this site, not just you Dmehus. MarioSuperstar77 (talk) 17:13, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Doug wasn't really around in 2019 when it happened, so I don't really see any reason to flock on a dead topic, even though some of your points you raised here do provide some good pointers. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 17:32, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I feel you, Douglace doesn't seem very professional, like he let's DarkMatterMan4500 harass me instead of banning him. He should step down because he is an incompetent Steward. Gay Socrates (talk) 21:16, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Excuse me? I wasn't harassing you in any way. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 21:54, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * And another thing, that message I left you on your talk page wasn't even harassment in any context. How was my reminder to you to refrain from casting aspersions even remotely close to being called harassment? If I was harassing you (which I wasn't by the way), then I wouldn't have sent you this message on your talk page and instead say very nasty things and say very awful things about you. For the record, I was only criticizing you and I expected you to be, well, open to taking it, not even harassing you in that sort of manner. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 22:58, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Harassment, noun : "The act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands. The purposes may vary, including racial prejudice, personal malice, an attempt to force someone to quit a job or grant sexual favors, apply illegal pressure to collect a bill, or merely gain sadistic pleasure from making someone fearful or anxious." - https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/harassment

You told that to me once here, that was far enough, but you decided to stalk me off-wiki because I was questioning your involvement on Miraheze. That IS harassment. Please, for all intent and purpose get the hell outta here once and for all and never talk to me again wacko. Gay Socrates (talk) 12:45, 9 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Except I wasn't stalking you in any way, and please cease from casting aspersions, as that's not going to help your case, and false accusations won't get you anywhere. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 12:48, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It is not an aspersion, but a fact that you harassed me, it is the legal definition of harassment in fact. Mini-modding on behalf of the admins won't get you anywhere, in fact, they are too lazy to ban you for going on your way to interact with me repeatedly when that is neither wanted nor warranted. In other words: Fuck off. Gay Socrates (talk) 12:55, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * This has gone on far enough, and I've had just about enough of your insults. I don't think you get the entire scope or purpose of this platform, and going as far as to not dropping the stick, casting aspersions, and refusing to get the point. We're done with this conversation. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 12:58, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Don't ever talk to me again. Gay Socrates (talk) 12:59, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Could someone close up this discussion? Periodically, it went off topic, and a user has only came here to spoil up trouble in this thread, and I don't wish for this thread to keep going like this. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 14:49, 10 June 2021 (UTC)


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Why are pages criticising fetish art not allowed? Example: Rotten Websites Wiki

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
 * Maxkatzur is thanked for bringing this issue to the attention of Stewards, but fetish art is not, explicitly, prohibited by Content Policy. If  claims in their local wiki rules that it contravenes Miraheze guidelines, this needs to be corrected, so, by way of this close, I'm pinging DarkMatterMan4500, DeciduousWater534, or MarioMario456 to clarify the wiki's rules to specify that fetish art is prohibited by local policies, not Content Policy. Dmehus (talk) 16:04, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

So I came with forbidden page example on Rotten Websites Wiki 'fetish art'. The reason states that is against Miraheze's content policy. So, what does violate content policy and does it causes drama? Maxkatzur (talk) 05:29, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Maxkatzur Fetish art pages aren't prohibited by Miraheze's Content Policy. It's possible  has a local content policy that prohibits such pages, but if that's the case, some clarification is needed in terms of that wiki amending its rules to clarify that it isn't against Miraheze's Content Policy but rather the wiki's local content policy. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Dmehus (talk) 13:10, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
 * From RottenSitesWiki:
 * "Fetish art: Against Miraheze's guidelines ."
 * So you are telling me they are blatantly lying? They probably added that after one of you removed one of their articles without any preceeding warning.
 * And because your system is not transparent at all, it is impossible to know who exactly removed that article for which reason, since the wiki's logs are unrecoverable due to being hidden deep beneath a thousand more logs.
 * As I said previously, start doing AfDs because that lack of transparency is staggering. MarioSuperstar77 (talk) 22:54, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I did see that on, and it did raise my eyebrow, as fetish art, broadly speaking, is not prohibited by Content Policy and certainly not by Terms of Use. I suspect it is a misunderstanding on the part of Rotten Websites Wiki's local administrators in terms of what our global policies do not allow. As to your suggestion of having "AfDs" for suppressions or other content removals, I'm afraid that's a very Wikipedia-specific function, and note that it would also be not be appropriate as requests for oversight are done through private channels. The same is actually true of the Wikimedia wikis&mdash;that is to say, requests to remove personally identifying information, potentially libelous information, or grossly offensive content are dealt with through by private channels, by e-mail to Stewards or by direct message on IRC to a Steward. Dmehus (talk) 23:48, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
 * You suspect? And what if you were wrong, what if one of the Steward did delete that article because it was covering fetish art. You will never know because you bunch can't program some sort of overseer logging system that would allow you to see what they do on other wikis. This would effectively help you catch rogue overseers who abuse their powers if hypothetically speaking they were on Miraheze.
 * "requests for oversight are done through private channels" Thank you for confirming that your wiki farm was neither transparent nor fair for your users. It should not be that way since there is no way for anyone to know whether they have articles that actually infringe your coc or not. This system can be abused by third parties who don't like being criticized.
 * "personally identifying information" Does a selfie the person took and published themselves on the internet count? What about public figures like Lady Gaga, Barack Obama and Arnold Schwarzenegger? What about photographs published onto and approved on Wikimedia Commons? Your coc is up to interpretation, that's all it is a heap of worthlessness.
 * "grossly offensive content" What if that was the reason why that specific article was removed? What if the fetish itself discussed was grossly offensive. However, since one of you removed it immediately, no one else can be the judge of it. It appears that you do not know yourself whether that coc applies to something to begin with, this is inconsistent. MarioSuperstar77 (talk) 12:49, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I did see that on, and it did raise my eyebrow, as fetish art, broadly speaking, is not prohibited by Content Policy and certainly not by Terms of Use. I suspect it is a misunderstanding on the part of Rotten Websites Wiki's local administrators in terms of what our global policies do not allow. As to your suggestion of having "AfDs" for suppressions or other content removals, I'm afraid that's a very Wikipedia-specific function, and note that it would also be not be appropriate as requests for oversight are done through private channels. The same is actually true of the Wikimedia wikis&mdash;that is to say, requests to remove personally identifying information, potentially libelous information, or grossly offensive content are dealt with through by private channels, by e-mail to Stewards or by direct message on IRC to a Steward. Dmehus (talk) 23:48, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
 * You suspect? And what if you were wrong, what if one of the Steward did delete that article because it was covering fetish art. You will never know because you bunch can't program some sort of overseer logging system that would allow you to see what they do on other wikis. This would effectively help you catch rogue overseers who abuse their powers if hypothetically speaking they were on Miraheze.
 * "requests for oversight are done through private channels" Thank you for confirming that your wiki farm was neither transparent nor fair for your users. It should not be that way since there is no way for anyone to know whether they have articles that actually infringe your coc or not. This system can be abused by third parties who don't like being criticized.
 * "personally identifying information" Does a selfie the person took and published themselves on the internet count? What about public figures like Lady Gaga, Barack Obama and Arnold Schwarzenegger? What about photographs published onto and approved on Wikimedia Commons? Your coc is up to interpretation, that's all it is a heap of worthlessness.
 * "grossly offensive content" What if that was the reason why that specific article was removed? What if the fetish itself discussed was grossly offensive. However, since one of you removed it immediately, no one else can be the judge of it. It appears that you do not know yourself whether that coc applies to something to begin with, this is inconsistent. MarioSuperstar77 (talk) 12:49, 1 June 2021 (UTC)


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reporting Gay Socrates
i am reporting Gay Socrates because he spam my talk page 2 times--Andrew071117 (talk) 14:40, 9 June 2021 (UTC)


 * He's been annoying other users as well. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 14:44, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * he also put a bad word in his name Andrew071117 (talk) 14:52, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Gay is not a "Bad word". It is a sexuality. Buk kit  (talk) ( C ) 17:50, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * What do you find offensive about my username? I am gay, so therefore it is in the name and I love Socrates, so that is why I named my account here "Gay Socrates". Also, kudos to Bukkit for saying exactly what I had in mind. Gay Socrates (talk) 15:02, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

remove club penguin online off the crappy games wiki

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
 * ❌. Dmehus (talk) 15:58, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

hi i would like to remove the club penguin online page off the crappy games wiki because it has a bad word called pedophile--Andrew071117 (talk) 13:49, 10 June 2021 (UTC)


 * It doesn't work like that, I'm afraid. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 13:50, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * but its a bad word and remove that page or else I will get banned from that wiki at school Andrew071117 (talk) 13:52, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * There's really no need to spam the Stewards' Noticeboard or the Community Noticeboard. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 13:53, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * but the word is a bad word so please remove it Andrew071117 (talk) 13:53, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * You can just distance yourself from the page and/or wiki. Buk kit  (talk) ( C ) 13:55, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry, DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 13:55, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * how about if i am not allowed to use anything not education during class including that page and this wiki Andrew071117 (talk) 13:57, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I thinks you should tell the administrators of that wiki as the best options; also I have found that the article you have talking about was marked as NSFW at the top of the page. Song Ngư MGR (talk) 13:57, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * but still i may accidently go on that page Andrew071117 (talk) 13:59, 10 June 2021 (UTC)


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Question

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
 * This is out of scope of Stewards. If your Special:Statistics page is out of sync, file a Phabricator task. To purge the page, append  to the end of the URL in your web browser. Dmehus (talk) 15:56, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Can a steward help me figure this out? 0 Articles --Iron Sword 23 (talk) 15:35, 10 June 2021 (UTC)


 * While the Stewards are not idle, could you describe your problems? Song Ngư MGR (talk) 15:38, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * There are no numbered articles on ideasng.miraheze.org. Iron Sword 23 (talk) 15:40, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks like your wiki was just recently created, isn't it?
 * If it so, have you trying to  yet?
 * If that was yes and it still 0, I think it's time to make a task on Phabricator. Song Ngư MGR (talk) 15:47, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay. How do I ?actioɲ̟=purge? Iron Sword 23 (talk) 15:48, 10 June 2021 (UTC)


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Can you disable my account please?
I'm leaving Miraheze because of drama on the Reception Wikis and I was even banned from SephSpace for something I didn't even do, so I'm quitting this site. Can you please disable my account? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SuperStreetKombat (talk • contribs) 23:55, 10 June 2021
 * SuperStreetKombat I'll action this, regrettably, but if you do wish to rejoin Miraheze, it's recommended that you e-mail Stewards at  to request an unlock. If you opt to create a new account in the future, please remember to abide by user accounts policy, including any locally-imposed sanctions. That being said, if you do wish to report potential Code of Conduct violations for harassment, in confidence, you can also e-mail us at the prescribed e-mail address. Thank you. Dmehus (talk) 01:04, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry to see you go. Farewell. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 01:24, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Checkuser request for vandal-related account

 * User:반달 바이러스
 * User:오솔이

반달 바이러스 is a toxic user in osaindex, so he was globally locked. When I blocked 반달 바이러스 in my wiki, another user, 오솔이 said that he was also blocked by auto-ban (mh:osaindex:User talk:오솔이). 반달 바이러스 was the only one I've blocked recently, so I strongly suspect that 오솔이 is a sockpuppet of 반달 바이러스. I will appreciate if you can use CheckUser to 오솔이. --재미재미 (talk) 14:38, 7 June 2021 (UTC)


 * 재미재미 Thank you for your request and for your report. I've translated, using Google Translate, this diff, which machine translates from the Korean as, "I think Meta's response is late.. In this case, can't we just unblock the Vandal Virus user? I can't log in because it's already globally locked. (Wikipedia says locking it globally is enough)." The section header translates as, "please save me," and the locked vandalism only account, vandalism only account translates as "half moon virus," which seems to jive with the machine translation. While it's not great that the user apparently used their main account to appeal their local block of their vandalism only account, it is a good-faith appeal. Could you instead reply to their request on their user talk page, telling them to review user accounts policy, not engage in vandalism, use edit summaries, and the like, then if they wish for that account to be unlocked, to e-mail Stewards at ? Alternatively, they could also make their request here. However, based on the above, a CheckUser investigation is not required, as it's one edit that is a good-faith but procedurally out of place appeal, and also because they've apparently self-identified. Dmehus (talk) 14:52, 7 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't think he is innocent. In the upper paragraph, he says one of his family members did vandalism, and this is one of the common excuses for toxic users. Based on this, I think the appeal of the user should be rejected and the account should be locked. --재미재미 (talk) 22:56, 7 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm not making excuses, I'm telling the truth. That's unfair. Why do you want to block me? I'm sure I'm a different person and a floating IP.(Of course, the translation may be wrong because it is a Papago translation.)--오솔이 (talk) 06:50, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Checkuser request for the following accounts:

 * Anti villain
 * Helicopter Showdown- Heaven Sent (Synchronice Remix)
 * Omar Bongos
 * Topo
 * 454y5

For Topo and 454y5, it shouldn't be that hard to find, since these diffs are just these 2 switching parts of the article (although weak at best), however, these following accounts have somehow been editing on some of the same pages, but I do hope that could provide some more information than what I've seen so far. There is at least one example of their edits being directed in one page like the one on Samuel Doe, shown here. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 17:21, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Also, before I forget, there has been some instances where Anti villain and 454y5 have made edits a day apart from each other, as shown here on an article on Yahya Jammeh. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 17:27, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. Dmehus (talk) 17:46, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but what about 454y5? Was he related to the accounts you locked, or no? DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 17:47, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Never mind, you already ✅ via Discord, with my assumption being correct. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 10:41, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * And now I'm really suspicious of Gigdsclasp, who has reverted my edit to the revision made by a sockpuppet, gave me and Rangerkid51 a bad attitude on Rangerkid51's talk page, and at the same time, threatened to take away Rangerkid51's privileges, even though he doesn't have the admin rights, nor the right to threaten someone. And now he's resorting to vandalism on these articles in which the previous sockpuppets have visited. I think he should be looked at as well, considering he told me to get lost in an edit summary, and is still frequently vandalizing pages that the previous sockpuppets have recently edited on. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 13:11, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Hope you're free to do, you know, this. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 22:26, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

error in wiki
Only on the wiki where I manage had a fatal error but it doesn't go back to normal anymore. YellowFrogger (talk) 00:18, 13 June 2021 (UTC)


 * YellowFrogger Please file a task on Phabricator. MediaWiki internal errors and similar technical errors are in scope of Site Reliability Engineering. You can link to this stewards' noticeboard request in your Phabricator ticket for context and reciprocally link to the Phabricator ticket by way of a reply to this thread. Thank you. Dmehus (talk) 00:46, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

MediaWiki internal error


MediaWiki internal error.

Original exception: [40436c0b89445b148f0bb7f1] 2021-06-13 00:13:47: Fatal exception of type "InvalidArgumentException"

Exception caught inside exception handler.

Set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; at the bottom of LocalSettings.php to show detailed debugging information.

Best regards. Hugo Ar (talk) 00:36, 13 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Hugo Ar Please file a task on Phabricator. MediaWiki internal errors and similar technical errors are in scope of Site Reliability Engineering. You can link to this stewards' noticeboard request in your Phabricator ticket for context and reciprocally link to the Phabricator ticket by way of a reply to this thread. Thank you. Dmehus (talk) 00:45, 13 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Dmehus, thank you. The request is ready: T7453. Very kind to advise. Greetings. Hugo Ar (talk) 01:03, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Hugo Ar That's ✅. very much. :) Dmehus (talk) 01:07, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The error no longer appears. Everything seems to be working normally now. I already notified Phabricator. Thanks. Greetings. Hugo Ar (talk) 01:25, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Yeah, likely it was reported or caught by someone else and repaired. It's good to have a ticket for it, though. Dmehus (talk) 01:26, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Dormancy Policy exemption for lhmnwiki
Wiki's custom domain: https://wlhmn.tk

Reason: Wiki made to be read

The requester's prems: Bureaucrat (confirm)

Song Ngư MGR (talk) 11:24, 10 June 2021 (UTC)


 * . Dmehus (talk) 15:59, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * And also as the wiki was build to be a documentations wiki, don't expect much people to edit.
 * (forgot to note that on) Song Ngư MGR (talk) 01:48, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Do you have result on this yet? '-'
 * There was no more cases before me. Song Ngư MGR (talk) 02:15, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Song Ngư MGR Thank you for your request for an exemption to Dormancy Policy, which I've now assessed. Though I don't speak any Vietnamese and though some of the pages I examined are what I'd classify as stub-class articles, containing only an infobox and possibly a photo, it's clear both from the files in your wiki's  namespace and the more than 120 pages in your wiki's   namespace that there is sufficient content made to be read and viewed by real people. In terms of need, as one of only two contributing editors to this wiki, this is all met. Thus, I've ✅ this request indefinitely as a wiki made to be read and viewed by real people and which is edited by few people. Please note that this is not a permanent exemption; rather, it is indefinite and can be changed in the future should your wiki's activity or other circumstances change. Dmehus (talk) 18:33, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I will also add the above note as a reason, but I trust you will continue to fill in the remaining pages that contain only an infobox, right? Dmehus (talk) 18:34, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I will, until I fill up every pages and the comic series come to "the end". Song Ngư MGR (talk) 00:15, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, sounds good. ! Dmehus (talk) 00:35, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

What the hell is going on with this community?
I have been watching the events unfold these past few days and I have no word to describe other than it is petulant to a fault.

And I will say this: I thought better of you until that episode. You were the only person from Miraheze to actually deal with vandalism on Trollpedia and that is something I am very grateful for and to see you do what you're doing is revolting.

You should have warned Gay Socrates about their aspersion on Meta since this happened on Meta. I really do not understand why you went out of your way to remind him of that directly on his Minecraft wiki (if I recall correctly) when this did not happen there in the first place and had nothing to do with what happened on Meta. In other words, anything that happens on Meta must stay on Meta. If for whatever reason you were afraid that they did not receive the notifications, then I have to say that I am certain he does because any notif I got on Meta were when I was working on Trollpedia, otherwise, what gives? They never posted on Meta beforehand, so does it really matter if he violates a rule there once and then go on about their business? Moreover, it dawns on me that you started reverting his contributions here while repeatedly interacting with his talkpage when that did nothing, but worsen the situation.

Now,, I don't know why you had to blow this out of proportion when that was not needed. I received an annoying comment from Dmehus on my talkpage on Trollpedia, but that does not mean I should go into a frenzy and accuse him of harassing me, that's not appropriate. DMM4500 had likely no ill-intention toward you when he contacted you via your wiki.

Consider my advice: Grow a pair, because you will likely get more of these if you grow your wiki. As a suggestion, why not open your own Mediawiki instance on a shared hosting where you are free to set your own rules? That would probably be a better option than fighting with the community here.

I think the worst part about this whole ordeal is that none of the actors who participated in this 'drama' had any agency to try to do some mediation with anyone. As a matter of fact, someone banned Gay Socrates for one day for being disruptive, notwithstanding that would not help at all. In fact, they are back and even more disruptive than before, and this is not helped by DMM4500 not dropping the stick, instead resorting to edit-warring with the user.

Additionally, I wanna thank and  for not helping at all. You can keep edit-warring all day long on Gay Socrates' talkpage, but what good will it do? You are all wasting your time.

I am certainly gonna note this event on my review of Miraheze. Clearly, the juveniles here have run amok. I always thought this nonsense only affected the 'reception wikis', but this issue appears to be far more deeply embedded in Miraheze than I initially thought.

If you feel this topic might lead to a flamewar, you can pre-emptively lock it. I said my piece about this and all the parties involved have been informed as well. MarioSuperstar77 (talk) 16:12, 10 June 2021 (UTC)


 * The reason why I didn't warn him on Meta was mainly because I'm not an admin of Meta, and the problems were already resolved by the time of this writing, so yeah, I guess you can say, it was quite an episode here. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 16:15, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * To be clear, as soon as I saw edit warring, I pinged a couple of sysops on IRC to help handle the situation. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 16:18, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Technically speaking,, you had every right to call us out, not to mention giving us great ideas that I might and/or could do in the future. (i.e. Opening a MediaWiki instance, probably referring to hosting our own MediaWiki-powered wikis and to make our own rules.) So yeah, I've been thinking about that yesterday when the update began, and we apologize on our behalf of what gave rise to the edit warring on Thursday. It wasn't just my fault, but 2 other people were to be blamed too. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 18:12, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Wiki undeletion
Per request by SPEEDYBEAVER, please undelete reverserottenwebsiteswiki. — Arcversin (talk) 12:07, 13 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Arcversin Thank you for your request to undelete . That wiki was likely deleted in accordance with Dormancy Policy per lack of community interest and/or because it was a duplication of Fresh Websites Wiki. As Content Policy allows for only significant or substantial content forks of existing wikis in limited circumstances (and usually involving some sort of mediation), I'd rather see SPEEDYBEAVER hold a local discussion with the Fresh Websites Wiki community on  . Additionally, that community may well have had a discussion to wind down and merge   into , so if that is the case, another discussion is certainly not only desired but warranted. Dmehus (talk) 15:26, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Please see above. — Arcversin (talk) 15:31, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Massive flood of spambots have been wreaking havoc and they need to be dealt with as soon as possible:

 * Commentachkt591
 * Commentbidcw656
 * Commentcnpan657
 * Commentipnqf481
 * Commentdqhmy382
 * Commentempnr376
 * Commentfecmt823
 * Commentfdfjs398
 * Commentirhem795
 * Commentcbrfd264
 * KrystynaFain7
 * RobertaCusack
 * DeanneNoll
 * MarjorieTice
 * JoeyGeyer538
 * RossWoo114100
 * LesleySaxton99

There's been a number of cross-wiki spam-bots coming into some of our wikis and even on the, and I was hoping that either  or another fellow Steward could squash them and lock them. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 16:24, 13 June 2021 (UTC)


 * They will be. The abuse logs are doing their job, though. Dmehus (talk) 16:56, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, fair enough. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 17:57, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Exemption from the Dormancy Policy
https://energywithin.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page

We would like to be exempted from the dormancy policy. We genuinely care for our wiki and have been very passionate about our roleplays for over 4 years at this point with content widening to almost 500 pages, but we are only two people actively editing a colossal wiki that is ever expanding and we really need our mental health breaks from time to time. We want to respectively request that you exempt us from the dormancy policy for our mental health, so we don't have to worry about the wiki we've spent so hard to build over all these years to be deleted. Thank you, and have a nice day.Zamasu (talk) 18:00, 13 June 2021 (UTC) Zamasu (talk) 18:00, 13 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Zamasu Thank you for your request for an exemption to Dormancy Policy, which I've now assessed. In terms of need, as one of only two contributing editors to this wiki, that is likely met on its own per your articulated reason; however, as it's a private wiki, it won't be backed up to The Internet Archive on a generally quarterly basis as part of Reception123's wiki public wiki wikibackups that he does. In terms of sufficient content intended to be read, while I've only examined a handful of your wiki's pages (due to the sheer breadth of the content available), this, too, is easily met as the pages examined are all either start- or C-class (or above). Thus, I've ✅ this on an indefinite basis as a wiki intended to be read by real people and which is minimally by edited by few editors. Please note that this exemption is not permanent, and is subject to revision should your wiki's activity or other circumstances change. Please also advise us of the same, too. Dmehus (talk) 18:11, 13 June 2021 (UTC)