Requests for Comment/Harassment

The following RfC is based on the recent Username Policy closures advice to refine our definition of certain terms. Please consider the appropriateness of any examples used to show your ideas. This discussion will be carefully monitored.
 * Opened: ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  21:06, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

How do you define offensive and/or insulting?

 * If someone was attacking another user due to bias or if someone posts content deemed by the community as inappropriate. Sapphire Williams  (talk page • contributions) 04:14, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

What would you class as trolling?

 * When someone becomes disruptive, either to a particular user or to the community as a whole, for the purposes of amusement to the troll. Sapphire Williams  (talk page • contributions) 04:14, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

When does something become harassment?

 * Bullying, stalking, personally attacking someone, or making unsolicited favors. Sapphire Williams  (talk page • contributions) 04:14, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

What do you class as discrimination?

 * When somebody is judged only because of what they believe in, how they look, their sex, etc. Examknow ● talk ● contribs 21:45, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * When someone is attacked, patronized or denied rights based on race, religion, sex, etc. Sapphire Williams  (talk page • contributions) 04:14, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

What is a personal attack?
When an editor is judged based on something about themselves, not the edits themselves. Talk about the changes editors have made, not the editor. Examknow ● talk ● contribs 21:47, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * When someone targets a user, either to flame or vandalize their content, for example. Sapphire Williams  (talk page • contributions) 04:14, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Code of Conduct

 * The Miraheze community advises the Code of Conduct/Commission to review their internal protocols on dealing with the above issues and requests the Code of Conduct is appropriately modified to incorporate the result of this discussion.

Support

 * 1) Whatever the community chooses should be fully respected by policy on all levels.  ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  21:11, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * 2)  per RhinosF1 Zppix (Meta &#124; CVT Member &#124; talk to me) 21:13, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * 3)   Sapphire Williams  (talk page • contributions) 04:14, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1)  Miraheze has always respected majority vote but we should not be a "democracy" in the sense of the majority dictating all things, including free speech.  Members who fancy themselves legislators should understand that the rulebook cannot codify everything.  Otherwise you will have the orthodoxy and lack of due process currently in play in American universities, and the three-year search for technical violations with which to remove the President.  Members are trying to legislate to make a valiant statement against social division. To make an example of Sapphire Williams' comments in the previous sections:
 * 2) *"Attacking due to bias" is an invitation to use someone's words to guess how he really feels about other people. The whole concept of "homophobia" is an invitation to use opposition to a political agenda as proof that a person is acting from hate or fear.
 * 3) *"Discrimination" (pre-judgement in the face of incomplete information) is something that humans do. Discrimination when one does have, or could have, complete information, is regrettable but not an offense.  I am more likely to date someone of my own culture, to avoid clashes of culture and values.
 * 4) *"Making unsolicited favors" suggests the University culture, where asking a woman on a date or complimenting her appearance could be sexual harassment.
 * 5) *I endorse making comments about an edit and not about an editor, but failure to meet this standard should not go to a disciplinary committee. We will soon be awash in paperwork!
 * 6) *And people who disagree with this comment might well "deem it inappropriate." Should it be struck down?  Should I be banned?   12:13 16-Oct-2019

General Comments
It's to refine it based on the request of when the Username Policy RfC was created. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c - 05:45, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Drafted on Staff wiki. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  21:06, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I fail to see the point of this RFC when it is defined at CoC. &mdash; revi  05:42, 16 October 2019 (UTC)