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Tali64³'s Nomination for Global Sysop

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
 * The support ratio required for Global Sysop is not met and therefore this request is unsuccessful. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 17:34, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

User: Tali64³‎ ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Reason(s) for request
Hi there. I'm excited to nominate Tali64³‎ to be your next Global Sysop at Miraheze. Tali64³‎ has served immensely well as a wiki creator for the past few months, taking care of sometimes 30-40 requests per day. If you're a new-ish user to Miraheze, and you've put in a wiki request recently, chances are it was responded to by Tali64³‎. They've shown competency and skill in responding to requests, and would be an amazing asset in CVT to assist in counter-vandalism activities. We currently have 3 members of CVT, two of which are Stewards (those two are SRE as well), so CVT would be well aided with another few volunteers. As such, I would like to nominate Tali64³‎ to be the next Global Sysop on Miraheze. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 15:22, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Statement given by nominated user
Thank you so much for the nomination. When I joined Miraheze on September 24, 2019, I wanted to migrate my humor wiki to a better platform; at the time, it was hosted on the legacy version of Google Sites (I still miss the Project wiki theme), but the main drawback was that no one else could contribute to it, which became possible on Miraheze. I had never expected to be nominated for Global Sysop or even be a wiki creator; however, in December 2022, I noticed a large of amount of wiki requests in the queue, so I nominated myself for wiki creator. An SRE member then clarified that requests were on hold due to a hosting provider error causing database issues, but I chose not to withdraw my request for wiki creator. The community wasn't really familiar with me, so I received few supports and lots of abstains, which was what led to my request for wiki creator failing. However, I reapplied a couple of months later with a different goal: to help handle wiki requests as fast as possible; in the meantime, the community had become more familiar with me, and I got weak supports instead of abstains, successfully becoming a wiki creator. Since then, I've handled anywhere from 95% to 99% of all wiki requests that have come in. I have also had some experience fighting spam and vandalism, from Wikipedia to ShoutWiki, with a few reverts in between on Miraheze. If I am elected as Global Sysop, I will make sure that vandalism reports are handled as fast as possible, just like I currently handle wiki requests as fast as possible. I've helped new wikis begin on Miraheze; now I want to help existing wikis continue free of issues. Tali64³ (talk) 15:38, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Comments by other users
BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 15:30, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The requirements for Global Sysop are the following:
 * Have at least 1000 total global edits on Miraheze (on more than one wiki, unless that wiki is Meta Wiki) (Note: These edits may not consist of directly copy/pasting content from other wikis, they must be edits done by the user); ✅
 * Have had their Miraheze account for at least 2 months; ✅
 * Be involved in some way in community matters (in discussions on Community noticeboard, etc.); ✅

Support

 * 1) As proposer. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 15:32, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 2) In wake of recent events we need additional members in the various community-related roles. I believe that this user is one of the only users who would even qualify to serve in this role, and I trust them to use their best judgement surrounding learning curves and avoid rushing into things if they are unsure. –  AmandaCath  ( talk ) 17:41, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 3) I think and feel this user should get chance. Additionally, i looked at their English Wikipedia edits and there is about 75 vandalism rollbacks (undo tag) from about 700 edits. And there are no recent warnings or anything related to patrolling on their user talk.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 18:02, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Note that sounds like experience potentially more suitable for Global Rollbacker, if I'm being honest. It also doesn't demonstrate any active use of that tool, on Miraheze. Miraheze's Global Sysop role is unique to that of Wikimedia, in that it also includes global IP blocking and user account lock/unlocks, tools customarily used by Stewards on the Wikimedia wikis. This requires both a higher level of competence, demonstrated policy knowledge and capability, technical capability, and, as Agent Isai noted, judgment skills. As well, Global Sysops, through a recent RfC, are active on all public wikis and opt-out is no longer possible (never what the RfC intended; rather, there was some confusion by participants, as I understand it, who thought Global Sysops might not be able to enforce global policies on opted out wikis). Dmehus (talk) 18:10, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 1) To me, Tali64³ demonstrated sound judgment and rapid actions, I see no reason for Tali64³ not to be Global Sysop.--Nobody679 (talk) 06:47, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 2) If they want to do it, why not? Many opposes are mentioning global rollback, but I think that's just a dead-end role, because, compared to GS, they have much less advanced permissions. GR membership isn't going to make anyone's concerns about the advanced permissions GS holds go away. I also see no concerns regarding judgement. They have WC, so they're already trusted as a MH user's first contact with us. OrangeStar (talk) 11:23, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 3) Per above. AlPaD (talk) 19:42, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 4) When I saw that Tali64 was running for GS, I thought for sure there would be all supports and no opposers. I was wrong. This is honestly very sad. Tali64 handles at least 90% of all wiki requests and honestly, Miraheze wouldn’t function with them. They clearly have a very clear understanding of our global policies and have dedicated a lot of time to improving the wiki. AND we have a huge need for more GS/stewards to help fulfill requests. I wouldn’t be surprised if Tali64 sees this opposition to their request and is very discouraged and retires from Miraheze altogether for the same reason BrandonWM did. The community not supporting their most active and frankly most trusted WC is baffling to me. Why do they need to have experience in global tools? They are active and use tools well on other wikis. The only way to gain experience with global tools is to actually have them. I am very disappointed in the Miraheze community for this. Come on people. Globe - (Talk • Contributions • CA) 14:50, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I don't know much about CVT. However, I don't think that CVT is the only area that needs volunteers.  CVT is the most developed area.  Just because a position doesn't yet exist and the activity happens to not involve any specialized tools, doesn't mean a need doesn't currently exist.
 * I oppose this proposal because the GS position has already been defined with an established structure and protocol that I don't know much about. At this time, I prefer not to redefine any established positions from what they were originally created and developed for.
 * I think that Tali64 has incredible leadership qualities. Enough so that I'm willing to risk introducing new unknowns that come without checks and balances into our current system.  I put in a request in the Community Noticeboard to post a request to invite more community participation on current open requests.  I considered all the statements made by Supporters and came to realize that we are not all on the same page and the gap is too wide.  If the Community elects Tali64, I will adapt and go with that new perception of what GS position will stand for.
 * With that said, I would still much prefer to see undefined vacancies get developed.
 * --- Imamy (talk) 16:06, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I am not sure if you responded to the relight comment. I said nothing about “ redefine any established positions from what they were originally created and developed for.” Globe - (Talk • Contributions • CA) 16:35, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Globe
 * I was responding to your statement. I felt our requests/proposals were heading down a path where there was only one way to look at issues and I really wanted more diverse opinions and got overzealous in sharing mine.
 * My perception is my own and you made a very good point that volunteers could leave, so when I shared, I went and shared badly. "redefine any established ..." was the thought that popped in my head and I know what I mean when I say it, but ... clearly the message lacked context.  I'm sorry for any aggravation that may have caused. Imamy (talk) 04:48, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 1) Shifting vote to weak(est) support.  I stand by the logic of my original oppose, but recent departures have shifted my thinking that add'l volunteers will be necessary sooner. --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 20:38, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 2) I change my vote, agreeing a bit with NotAracham, because most of the CVT staff are involved in SRE. But a lot of the text in my dissenting vote is still valid, but it is not a task that everyone can do in GS. Tali you say you can do it, but dealing with vandalism is not easy. I would like to say this as someone who has experienced it for almost 3 years. But since you have full confidence in GS and you say I can take on this task, let's watch. But you should also try GR if this application is fruitless. But by GS, so it would be beneficial for Tali and Miraheze to change my vote from opposition to support. Good luck with your candidacy. -- Hey Türkiye  Message? 21:08, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 3)  There is a clear necessity for additional help in community roles right now and I feel that Tali64³ has shown that they are capable already with their Wiki Creator hat. Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 11:46, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 4) Tali64 has the competence needed for GS. GR and GS are not the same, not similar, and frankly, doesn't really count as experience in my opinion. I have no oppositions toward the request, and fully  it. --  Bukkit  [ cetacean needed ] 19:09, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 5)  Miraheze's future is yours!
 * 6)  Tali64³ has clearly demonstrated an interest in Miraheze and a willingness to devote time to the project overall. At a time when depth in volunteers seems rather critical for Miraheze, absent anything disqualifying, I don't see why we wouldn't let Tali64³ invest his talents helping wikis beyond just creating them. Jph2 (talk) 15:31, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 7)  Because there is a new nominee for Global Sysop.  Since I may confuse people about the reason, the most I can do is point to a point that was made a while back in a different RfC regarding my feelings toward teams.  "promote several active members simultaneously" --- Imamy (talk) 06:57, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Abstain

 * 1)  I have decided to exceptionally abstain in this case. The main reason behind this is that I observe that there are many well respected users who have decided to oppose this request and have concerns about the requestors judgment but sadly those claims have not been substantiated enough for me to be able to join them. At the same time I believe that such a large number of concerns must indicate that something is not right and consequently I do not believe that I would be able to support in good conscience either. --DeeM28 (talk) 12:44, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1)  Tali64 hasn't demonstrated the ability to use global tools just yet. I additionally share the concern about judgement at times which can be impaired and potentially problematic as he sometimes overreacts on things and acts rather bluntly. At most, I would advise trialing as Global rollbacker but Global Sysop is a no-go from me.  Agent Isai  Talk to me! 15:26, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I admit that I have had no experience with global tools. However, I believe that I make up for it with my experience using admin tools on the many wikis I own; global tools are just an extension of those. I also believe that I have pretty good judgement; for example, I have processed thousands of wiki requests in the four months I've been a wiki creator, and the other wiki creators (including you) have only expressed concern for a very small fraction of those (less than 10). There have also been few incidents in which I have overreacted to something. One of those was the time I attempted to move one of my wikis to independent hosting due to a report made by an anonymous user who had been vandalizing that wiki; I admit that it was partially my fault for not stating that the user had been vandalizing, but I eventually decided to cancel the move. The other was actually a few messages in the Miraheze Discord server I had sent earlier this morning when I thought that I'd lost access to my account after enabling 2FA, which is reasonable. Generally, I try to be as kind and level-headed as best as I can. Tali64³ (talk) 15:59, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 1)  exactly what Agent Isai said. Tali64 is generally collaborative, well-liked, helpful, and courteous, but my concerns are around judgment for this role. For global interwiki administrator, I could happily support. Dmehus (talk) 15:34, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 2)  I would like to see Tali64³‎ serve as global interwiki administrator before taking on global sysop.   Clearly, Tali64³ is very task driven.  However, since all the global positions interact with each other, it would be good to get a feel for the issues that administrators address, especially in terms of conflict resolution involving communities. ---Imamy (talk) 17:16, 7 June 2023 (UTC)       Because there are 2 candidates for GS. --- Imamy (talk) 06:51, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I would note that GIWA isn't really an administrative role, rather a role for adding interwiki links. It doesn't persay deal with issues that administrators address, including conflict resolution. You wouldn't be able to gain a sense of conflict resolution skills from interwiki administrator. Hope that clarifies. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 19:02, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @BrandonWM: To clarify, I don't get the sense that Tali64 is comfortable with discussions. I would find it easier to come to you about a problem because you are more willing to be specific about my concerns.  Feeling-wise, that will move my issue towards resolution much more quickly regardless of whether I get my wish or not. Imamy (talk) 20:56, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 1)  too early --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 19:12, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 2)  for the same reasons as already stated by others.  While Tali is prolific in their role as WC with minimal errors and gives me no doubt that they would work as diligently if appointed to Global Sysop, their handling of and line of reasoning on ambiguous cases does not give me full confidence at this time.  I would wholeheartedly support a run for Global Rollbacker for them to gain deeper familiarity with CVT nuances, though. --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 22:17, 7 June 2023 (UTC) EDIT: Striking opposition. --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 20:34, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 3)  I can't support this for the reasons outlined above by Agent, Dmehus, and NotAracham. Universal Omega (talk) 06:50, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Striking as now a nonexistent user on Miraheze. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 03:43, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I have reverted this good-faith edit, as we don't do that. The !vote was cast by a duly qualified !voter as at the timestamp of their !vote. Dmehus (talk) 03:55, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The only policy that discusses how votes by people without accounts should be counted is the RfCP and it instructs Stewards against counting them. The !voter's qualification when the vote was not cast should not matter if they are no longer a member of the community when a Steward determines consensus. That said, I agree with not striking this particular comment due to the unique circumstances. Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 15:04, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 1)  Per the rationale of other. Maybe if a little soon for now to take the GS but as we have now the Global Rollbacks, it may be a good start for you. HeartsDo (Talk / Global) 09:12, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 2) per Agent and Universal Omega. Zppix (Meta &#124; talk to me) 15:13, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 3)  I've been seeing @Tali64 very active on Miraheze lately, and I congratulate Tali64 for his prompt response to wiki requests, his instant replies to my comments on Discord, and his participation in important community forums such as Miraheze's RfC. However, the Global Sysop role, as @NotAracham has said many times in my applications, is a role aimed at combating vandalism, and it is not something that many budding users can handle. The Global Sysop has a lot of duties (like dealing with CVT, visiting wikis, knowing the policy on Wikipedia and applying it). Apart from that, I have an important note for you: I suggest you to be more active in the community, to stand out. Right now your edit count is around 800-900. I think you should reach at least 1500 edits here. Apart from that, I suggest you try the Global Rollbacker group in the next applications. Then I will give you my support. But as soon as you feel that you have fulfilled the need to become a Global sysop (when I see that you have fulfilled it), I will give you the strongest support in your next application. Let me put this as a note. Apart from that, I agree with NotAracham and Agent Isai, but this process will take some time. (It's like being active in the community, every user has these moments) I wish you Good luck until your next application Tali. -- Hey Türkiye  Message? 05:23, 9 June 2023 (UTC) NOTE: I changed my vote. -- Hey Türkiye  Message? 21:06, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Edit count is not very important when determining suitability to a role; instead, activity is one of the key factors in determining such suitability, and I have clearly met and perhaps even exceeded any activity expectations. I know the duties of Global Sysops and believe I am ready to help with the workload; to prepare for this, I have started monitoring the CVT feed to combat any vandalism I see. Several users have suggested that I apply for global rollbacker instead, but that role wouldn't help me much with helping the current CVT team handle their workload, which is one of my main reasons for applying for GS. Tali64³ (talk) 15:35, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 1) per above. by Buehl106·Talk·e-mail 12:43, 9 June 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

1108-Kiju's Nomination for Global Sysop
User: 1108-Kiju ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Reason(s) for request
I am opting to nominate for the role of Global Sysop. In my time at Miraheze they have been a constant presence in CVT activities, regularly providing clear and detailed reports of vandals from our non-English-language wikis. In my interactions with them they were timely, courteous and willing to oblige on providing native context I would otherwise lack without cultural fluency. Should they accept this nomination, I would be glad to see them take on this mantle as an evolution of their current help to the platform. --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global)

Statement given by nominated user
I accept the nomination and am running for candidate. Thank you NotAracham for nominate.
 * Currently, there appear to be only two stewards and one Global Sysop. I hope that by becoming a Global Sysop I can help in some small way to deal with the vandalism.
 * The Japanese community is relatively large, and vandalism is common. However, Japanese is a complex language and it is often difficult to distinguish between well-intentioned edits and vandalism, so vandalism response is often late. Also, I have been a Global Rolebacker since March 2023 and when I discovered vandalism, I could only rv and report it to #CVT and wait for the steward or Global Sysop to respond.
 * I often monitor #global-wiki-feed, so if there is vandalism on a Japanese wiki or reported to #cvt, I can address it quickly.

Please feel free to ask me any questions. Thank you for reading. --1108-Kiju /Talk 04:48, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Since becoming a member of CVT, I have learned more about how CVT works. I have the knowledge and experience needed for Global Syop.
 * My time zone is UTC+9. I can cover UTC+9 time zone.
 * I understand global policy and have been involved in correcting global policy violations on Japanese wiki.
 * My experience
 * Discord - CVT - I have also reported them to CVT on Discord when necessary. Please search for "from: Kiju#5889".
 * Special:CentralAuth/1108-Kiju - Please search for "sysop". I am a sysop on several wikis and have experience dealing with vandalism there. For example: mh:ysmwiki:Special:Contributions/1108-Kiju, mh:wikisitewiki:Special:Contributions/1108-Kiju, mh:another:Special:Contributions/1108-Kiju, mh:chakuriki:Special:Contributions/1108-Kiju. See also Requests_for_global_permissions/Archive_4.
 * mh:chizunet:Special:Contributions/1108-Kiju - I was involved in resolving disputes.

Support

 * 1) as nominator. --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 04:54, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 2)  For the reasons listed above. 1108-Kiju has proven to be a highly competent user and given these turbulent times on Miraheze, I believe he is well positioned to help with either a wind down or about-face of the current system on Miraheze. So, for those reasons, I'm happy to support. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 05:01, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 3)  Active and good user.His experience is enough to be gs.Good luck.I welcome to this request as Japanese cvt. by Buehl106·Talk·e-mail 05:07, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 4)  --- Imamy (talk) 07:01, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 5)  As NotAracham said, having Global Sysop would be a hit for Miraheze. Good luck. -- Hey Türkiye  Message? 07:34, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 6)  --Nobody679 (talk) 09:11, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 7)  Language variety in CVT is welcome, especially among global sysops. OrangeStar (talk) 12:07, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 8)  per above. Tali64³ (talk) 12:56, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 9)  A Japanese speaker is clearly needed. Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 14:15, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 10)  for all the reasons already noted. Jph2 (talk) 16:22, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 11)  I don't want Miraheze change from prosperity to decline just like An-shi Rebellion is Tang Dynasty, so Miraheze will NOT closed in September. As a result, I  this!

Tali64³'s Request for Global Sysop
User: Tali64³ ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Reason(s) for request
Due to the very severe shortage in Miraheze volunteers and impending doom coming towards Miraheze, I have decided to request Global Sysop. In normal circumstances, requesting Global Sysop very shortly after having a nomination closed as unsuccessful would be hat collecting; however, these are not normal circumstances. In fact, as I am writing this, Miraheze has only a month and a half left before it shuts down permanently; I am one of the volunteers interested in rescuing the project. Miraheze means too much for me to simply let it go; I have been here for nearly four years and I have had a good time, first as someone who contributed to his many wikis, and then as someone who creates wikis for others as fast as he can. If I am elected as Global Sysop, it will be one step closer towards saving Miraheze. Don't vote for me; vote for the community. Thank you for your consideration.

Support

 * 1)  We need new volunteers right now if we want to stay afloat.--Immanuelle (talk) 01:23, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 2)  My support only strengthened for Tali.--Nobody679 (talk) 01:33, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 3)  For a brighter future of wikis! UltraOwen (talk) 01:43, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 4)  It looks like change is underway.  Also, I still much prefer a group of new GS than one at a time.   In my opinion, the cost of training one individual versus many are generally about the same, not to mention, questions from one, will typically benefit the rest, when they are at the same stage.  --- Imamy (talk) 03:30, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Reiterating previous oppose context, which is now secondary but still relevant, I still would like to see Tali64³ serve as Global Rollbacker or Global Interwiki Administrator before joining Global Sysops. However, I am supporting now because there are clear benefits and advantages to growing with alongside peers.--- Imamy (talk) 04:46, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 1)  I supported this previously, it would make no sense if I didn’t now. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 03:40, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 2) As Miraheze will shut down on October 1 if it can't fix the issues, I wholeheartedly support this application so that Miraheze doesn't shut down. -- Hey Türkiye  Message? 06:38, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 3)  Don't have anything to add to opinions above KatozzKita (talk) 07:35, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 4)  I don't want Miraheze change from prosperity to decline just like An-shi Rebellion in Tang Dynasty, so Miraheze will NOT closed in September. I am a user who want to rescue Miraheze too. As a result, I  this!