Requests for Comment/Amanda ban appeal

Amanda ban appeal
Greetings to the Miraheze community,

I’m not thrilled that I’m having to do this again, but it seems that I will need to. So I will. I would like to appeal and request a repeal of a ban against me that was implemented here. Unless I’m missing something (and I very well may be), I take that the ban was applied to me for two reasons:


 * 1) LP compromised my account and made nonsense wiki requests with it, as well as destroyed WikiCanada
 * 2) CheckUser was not able to differentiate between LP and myself due to IP similarity (which was to be expected)

However, both of these terms are no longer applicable. I have completely replaced my Internet routers and VPN servers (both), and configured both of them with a totally different security algorithm and encryption keys then before. Additionally, I configured my router so that no Internet sites can be accessed without entering the encryption key. Therefore, LP won’t be compromising anything in the near future.

The other main factor to be considered is that LP has been arrested. According to what I know, she was arrested on 1 charge of cyberharassment and on 1 charge of illegal stalking. Both are small charges in Canada, but this still means that she won’t be around to cause trouble.

While I am not happy that this has occurred, I think that this would be an opportunity for me to try and revive my Miraheze reputation without having to worry about LP compromising my account or other nonsense like that. Since my Amanda SUL account has been compromised, I would prefer to start fresh with this account. I would probably still want to do WikiCanada or something similar, although I haven’t really thought about it much. I’ve seen that Meta has undergone quite a few changes in the past few months, and I’m not keen with all of them. As such, I would be willing to self-impose a global “topic ban” of sorts that would restrict me to only my wiki. This means no participating in Meta, no participating in IRC, no participating in Phabricator, and only participating in GitHub for changes to my own wiki.

Also, I previously provided the Miraheze Staff Team with copies of both my photo ID and LP’s photo ID to prove that we were two separate people (this was done at the request of ). However, nobody from the staff team ever acknowledged them or even made any attempt to do so. The ID’s that were previously submitted have now expired, but new ID’s have been issued. As such, I am still willing to provide a photo ID upon request. However, I cannot provide LP’s ID since she is in prison.
 * TL;DR The conditions from which I was collaterally banned from Miraheze (compromised account and technically indistinguishable from LP) both no longer apply. Additionally, the fact that LP has been arrested should be considered new evidence. As such, I am appealing the community ban.

Support

 * 1)  as proposer. Amanda123 (talk) 20:49, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Oppose
Any comments in this section must be civil. Personal attacks, insults, or other derogatory remarks will not be tolerated.
 * 1)  This user is abusive on our wikis, on Wikimedia wikis and everywhere. MacFan4000 (talk) 20:59, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * This is incorrect. LP is abusive on multiple wikis. Not me. Just for the record, this account and all of its sockpuppets are operated by LP, not me. As noted below, I am willing to submit a photo ID to staff in order to confirm this. Amanda123 (talk) 21:08, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * 1)  Given previous altercations, I have absolutely no reason to believe you and would ask you please go elsewhere, your presence here only seems to lead to trouble. GethN7 (talk) 21:53, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I understand that you do not believe me. Personally I would feel the same way if I was a member of the staff team. However, that’s why I’ve offered to provide photo identification to the staff in order to verify my claims. It is now in their hands to accept it or not — and if they choose not to, you can’t blame me. Amanda123 (talk) 22:05, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * 1)  - What number attempt is this? LulzKiller (talk) 02:44, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * The number attempt doesn’t matter. What matters is that there is new evidence concerning this issue and therefore I have the right to appeal again. Amanda123 (talk) 10:30, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't see the evidence. LulzKiller (talk) 11:49, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * If you read the initial statement, you would see the evidence. The evidence that that LP has been arrested and therefore won’t be causing problems, and that I can provide proof of my identity to the staff team if they request it. Amanda123 (talk) 12:33, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * You stating that something is the case is not evidence. That is a statement, surely Canada has inmate records like America does. LulzKiller (talk) 13:03, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Surely Canada has inmate records like America does — indeed they do. However, they are not publicly accessible and transcripts must be requested with a valid reason. “Getting unbanned from Miraheze” unfortunately I don’t think is a valid reason. Amanda123 (talk) 14:09, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Being a family member is a valid one. LulzKiller (talk) 14:49, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, although I may still need a reason for family requesting it. I’ll see what I can do, however. Amanda123 (talk) 14:51, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * 1) Garden-variety oppose — (See my prior comment below.)  The common thread here is the rebuttal of each negative vote.  The missing element is why Amanda needs to return here, except to act out further before an audience that knows her.  As when one stalks an ex-lover for the sake of having the last word, the wisest course of action is, as GethN7 says above, to start over elsewhere, and be on your best behavior this time.   03:38 3-Nov-2017
 * I don’t need to return here. However, I want to return here as I like Miraheze and I was only banned for collateral reasons that no longer exist. Also, I’m only rebutting the negative votes because the reasoning behind them is based off of incorrect information. Amanda123 (talk) 10:30, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * 1)  I see this user is still trying to dictate terms when asking for a favour: "Any comments in this section must be civil. Personal attacks, insults, or other derogatory remarks will not be tolerated." Opposed until this user learns how to handle dissenting views expressed in public, which the quoted statement shows is not yet the case. --Robkelk (talk) 16:34, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * See also her command to Admins on User:Amanda123, also her adversarial welcome on User talk:Jaison9.  16:53 3-Nov-2017
 * I am willing to accept opposing views in public. Notice how I didn’t just remove any of the above opposing comments, but rather I replied to them and addressed their concerns. However, nobody has to be able to deal with or accept people making attacks against them or calling them derogatory names. Stating that people calling me derogatory names will not be tolerated is not dictating anything - rather it is requiring politeness, which any user is free to do in any discussion. Also, part of my initial proposal was a self-imposed ban from interacting on Meta, which means that I wouldn’t be interacting with you or anyone else who shares your views. Amanda123 (talk) 16:45, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * In a prior role, my job was to get the chimpanzees back to their comedy typewriters. At Miraheze, no one on Meta seems anxious that a lot of content be created at top speed.  Nevertheless, when a permabanned user returned and spent the entire morning re-litigating the past, jousting with all comers, and getting everyone to pay attention to her, I reacted unambiguously to restore order.   16:53 3-Nov-2017
 * Actually it's not dictating since what was said is policy and general human decency. John (talk) 17:16, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Then why does it need to be restated, and only in sections that are expected to hold dissenting views? Dissent is not incivility. --Robkelk (talk) 20:53, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Because the history of these debates usually end in uncivil comments and the last RfC was actually a factor for establishing said policy. John (talk) 21:22, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * 1) For the formality. &mdash;  revi  05:26, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * What exactly do you mean by that? Amanda123 (talk) 21:14, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * 1)  This is just an another way to gather attention and I dont like it, it would go against our policies to let LTAs into Miraheze. So lets stick with our current block/ban/lock. Zppix (talk) 18:48, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * This fact would be true if it was LP who was appealing the ban. But it isn’t LP appealing, and therefore the fact is not true. Amanda123 (talk) 21:13, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * "LP implies F. Not LP; therefore, not F."  That is nonsense for the sheer joy of being adversarial.   02:17 5-Nov-2017
 * 1)  —Alvaro Molina  (✉  - ✔ ) 22:16, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose votes without a rationale are unhelpful. Amanda123 (talk) 22:51, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Abstain

 * 1) Abstain Am too new to know the details of this case.  Expiration of a photo ID does not mean someone ceases to be the person identified, so a new ID should not be required.  A promise not to use Phabricator should not be a condition, as it is necessary to do several technical things.  But if Amanda is allowed back on, "nonsense wiki requests" should be reacted to harshly no matter how they are made.  Don't know how a user "destroys" a wiki irreparably.  Amanda's claim that the nuisance was not she but a housemate, or whatever, is unknowable to us.   22:04 2-Nov-2017
 * While your initial claim about ID expiration is true, the new ID’s are significantly different than the original ones, and technically I’m not allowed to provide the original ones as a method of official identification. Additionally, I can refrain from using Phabricator as I am familiar with MediaWiki code and therefore can PR all changes to my wiki on GitHub myself. The original wiki was destroyed by the abusive user compromising my account and then using Special:Nuke on the entire wiki. Amanda123 (talk) 22:08, 2 November 2017 (UTC)


 * 1) I have little knowledge about Lawrence Prairies and Amandas involvement with her. I have heard she has terrorized this community but due to the fact I simply do not have enough info on LP and Amandas history I simply cannot vote on this ban appeal. If someone would provide me with a relatively in depth history of this case I may reconsider by abstention. &#32;  Miraheze Logo.svg CnocBride | Talk | Contribs  19:12, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Basically it went down like this:
 * User:Lawrence-Prairies (my sister) came to Miraheze and started a wiki
 * LP was then in a car accident and was hospitalized — and I took over management of her wiki during this time
 * After LP was released from the hospital, we both continued to contribute to the wiki and the Miraheze community
 * Eventually, LP was globally banned due to a series of issues
 * LP was not able to accept the ban, and started spamming and vandalizing the wiki, I think just to make a point.
 * I requested an exception that would allow me to edit despite the ban on LP, which affected me at the time as we lived in the same apartment complex
 * LP then compromised my account and made a disaster, causing me to be globally locked again
 * LP has now been arrested, and my account and Internet connections have been secured. As such, there should be no more disruption from LP in the near future, and therefore I would like to come back to Miraheze as I was banned solely because LP compromised my account and CheckUser couldn’t tell the two of us apart
 * Per request of NDKilla, I provided photo ID to prove that LP and I were actually two people, however NDK didn’t do anything with it. As such, here we are now. Amanda123 (talk) 19:21, 3 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Could you please tell me what these "series of issues" were. Also do you have any proof that you sent an email to NDKilla containing information that you and LP were not the same person. From my reading of this I am getting the inclination that it is very far fetched and I do believe that your claims are not 100%. You said above there are no public arrest records of LP but I know Canada is a liberal country and I believe that arrest records would be available under some Freedom of Information act. I ask you Amanda, If you really want to get back on Miraheze, you must provide evidence that both you and LP are two different people and secondly you should try your best to provide info of LP's arrest. I believe a FOI request would be possible. My abstention still stands. &#32; Miraheze Logo.svg CnocBride | Talk | Contribs  00:38, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I do have proof of the email I sent, but I can’t upload the screenshot due to an edit filter preventing me from doing so. Amanda123 (talk) 16:00, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Send me the proof through my business email: cnocbridebusiness@gmail.com &#32; Miraheze Logo.svg CnocBride | Talk | Contribs  16:53, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Comments
Any comments in this section must be civil. Personal attacks, insults, or other derogatory remarks will not be tolerated.
 * Can I please get a staff opinion from each of you? Thanks. Amanda123 (talk) 10:33, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not interested in looking at other people's ID card, in whatever circumstances, unless I'm required to do so by Republic of Korea law. No other comments. &mdash; revi  11:01, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * The only comment I will make is that I don't see why an ID necessarily proves that two users are different people. What says that even if you provide two IDs one of two, one of them isn't the sole user of Amanda, ILB, LP, etc. accounts? Reception123 (talk) ('C' ) 18:12, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * It’s not really fair IMHO for you to make a comment discrediting my claims and then say that it is your “only comment”. In response to your exact comment, if you don’t think that photo ID is sufficient enough to prove my identity, what  do you  feel is sufficient? Amanda123 (talk) 19:06, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * As I said above, proof of your sisters arrest would be necessary. &#32; Miraheze Logo.svg CnocBride | Talk | Contribs  00:41, 4 November 2017 (UTC)