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Zppix - Revocation of Rights (Sysop)

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User: Zppix ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log ) Group: sysop

Reasoning for request
Alright, let me start off by saying that this decision to post a revocation of rights request was so not made lightly or easy in any case. I understand there will be mixed opinions about whether this is warranted and whether I am mistaken to even take such action as posting this request. That's fine, but I will give in detail the reasoning for my posting of this proposal.

Over the past month or so, Zppix has made some very questionable decisions, which has apparently resulted in hi
 * 1) Feeling as though he is not limited by the policy to which he is bound by;
 * 2) Failing to assume good faith to new users on Meta;
 * 3) Failing to adequately warn good faith users who make mistakes user talk pages, seemingly preferring to take the action which requires the least amount of effort (i.e., a block);
 * 4) Feeling as though he is impervious to error when other administrators question his administrator actions and/or decline to act; and,
 * 5) Being unable to differentiate between his Meta administrator and Global Sysop roles, which suggest role conflict

Firstly, some examples of this include Zppix has been very rude to newcomer users and has not been assuming any good faith, and has been far to quick to take action against simple good faith mistakes with no attempt to engage with them beforehand.[src] There was also this example[src] in which he blocked a user for a week, without warning, merely for trying, in good-faith, to create a user page and being blocked by an abuse filter. He also ignored a warning from another Meta bureaucrat on his own talk page, [src] to which he obviously saw per is own responses to another user to that very same thread, [src] but had no effort to improve upon his behavior and to seemingly have no regard for John's warning, which is absolutely unacceptable for a Meta administrator to disregard a warning from a Meta bureaucrat or even any fellow Meta administrator, least of all one who is also a steward, like that.

Most recently he issued a local Meta block against a user which he had been previously arguing with on his talk page [src] and on Discord. On IRC, during a conversation with other users, Zppix even acknowledged that he should not take action against this user because he was personally invested in it. [src] However, he seemed to not care and blocked the user anyway.[src] That is an example of an action which he should've not done and waited for approval to block him from whomever he claimed to have talked to. [src], [src], and [src] It is worth noting that Zppix also during this same IRC conversation, apparently requested another Global Sysop or Steward globally lock his account for something occurring in Meta alone as well as his own personal annoyance with the user, letting personal opinion dictate his actions as a Meta administrator. The fact that he feels the user should either be globally locked or locally blocked on Meta suggests he either doesn't understand the difference between the purpose of a global lock and a local block, or, even more problematic, he apparently feels as though he can do either. src After seemingly failing to get another volunteer to globally lock this user, he took his own local action on Meta, once again, showing his disregard for the community and authority.src

As a final note, I would like to add that far too often, the log entries Zppix gives are very vague.[src]

Additionally, should this revocation request pass as successful, the community additionally requests that a bureaucrat and steward review the circumstances surrounding Zppix' global account locks and Meta blocks in the past 30-60 days (steward or bureaucrat discretion applies here), excluding spam only accounts, to ensure that they were all justified and appropriate to the policy infractions claimed.


 * Note: Given that this involves both his Global Sysop and Meta administrator roles, there is also a companion revocation request for Zppix'  Global Sysop user group at Requests for global rights, in which you're encouraged to review and express a view.

Additional proof/explanation

 * Regarding the IRC conversation, which you can see in the section below, Zppix originally requested that that user be globally locked. That is a 100% inappropriate action towards a user who was doing good faith edits, and only made mistakes on Meta alone, absolutely nothing to actually warrent a global lock. And I have absolutely no idea his rationale for attempting to get someone else to globally lock a user where a global lock is not warrented.

Support
Per my proposal. 23:26, 29 October 2020 (UTC) ］ | Hello community, we have an extremely troubling problem at this time. A meta administrator/global sysop by the name of has decided to abuse his powers. This must be dealt with urgently and swiftly, as Zppix has caused nothing but chaos and hurt towards many members of the Miraheze community. There are many examples of Zppix's abuse of power, but I will share a select few with you in this message. For in-depth info, see User talk:Zppix, but for now we'll settle with the basics.
 * He Blocked a user for, and I quote: "Continuing to spam their wiki after being asked to stop". He was not involved in that wiki, got no talk page messages about it, and decided to intervene WITHOUT communicating with the user to either notify them of the block or discuss their behavior. A user requested an un-ban on a wiki and Zppix immediately deleted, with the reason for deletion being simply "No". He overrode a community's decision and deleted another request about a user's ban, citing "Code of Conduct violations by topic creator". You say, oh, that's ok as it's only 3 mistakes in his reign. Well, no. That all has happened in the past TWO WEEKS that has been remembered. Imagine in five years what he has done that hasn't been remembered.
 * He blocked me on Meta ONE HOUR after I had last edited, and also instructed to ban me from TestWiki because I deleted a page. Just a notice: I deleted it with a 's (a consul) permission there. On Meta, the co-founder of Miraheze,  had to step in to get Zppix to stop. He has harassed users on Discord either on servers or in private DMs, calling them a "pain in the ass", or a "whiny b***h".
 * Quotes from John in User talk:Zppix reads:
 * "I am here to address the attitude of an administrator who despite being asked to consider their harsh and heavy handed approach and dislike to engaging with users in a manner to prevent escalation, has chosen to ignore such advice and act in a similar manner to which I have received complaints about from members of the community and fellow administrators in relation to their use of global and local permissions. Since there does not seem to be a willingness to engage in the matter, I will now consider whether more formal processes are necessary to address the matter."
 * "You’ve blocked them for things not even related to the capacity you are acting in then? It seems like you’re trying to justify being called out for acting in a manner not suitable to the role you’re acting in by trying to get out every defence than answer the core solid question of why you blocked a user, an hour after they last edited, in relation to a conflict you were in with them against the advice of your colleagues. Until you can provide a satisfactory answer to that, excuses are not good enough to justify this action."
 * Quite obviously, Zppix has shown no willingness to try and fix his actions, instead resorting to blocking as a way of minimalizing opposition to him. He blocked me because "I wanted to". This is not appropriate behavior that a representative of Miraheze, a Global Sysop, should be portraying. To be blunt, this is an abuse of power. Global Sysops were created to assist Stewards, not outright ignore them, especially when they post on YOUR talk page, looking for an answer but not receiving one. For every one of those reasons and more, I am voting for a full revocation of rights from Zppix, which includes, but is not limited to: Global Sysop, Meta Admin, System Administrator, and Wiki Creator. For Zppix, when you next request rights, make sure you can be responsible and kind with them. Thank you. 23:39, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) While I believe that his block against BlackWidowMovie0000Editor was valid, I believe the hostility concerns displayed are problematic. There are other questionable judgements calls as well. Naleksuh (talk) 23:49, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1)  I think he deserves another chance. Waldo (talk) 05:22, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)  While I approve of the revocation of Zppix as a Global Sysop, I am willing to give it a last chance as a Meta administrator. Added to that, I don't really like that we make two revocation requests at the same time. It's not cool. HeartsDo (Talk || Global || Wiki Creator) 07:19, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * 3)  Contrary to my above statement, I believe Zppix should be given one last chance to be responsible with Meta Sysop rights.  15:35, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * 4)  I supported and thought that Zppix needed a break from Global Sysop however in this instance I agree with HeartsDo that he deserves another chance as Meta administrator and that it would be unfair to remove both rights at the same time. I disagree with some things I have seen him do on Meta but will be willing to give him another chance to acknowledge the constructive criticism that has been give to him by the community this time. DeeM28 (talk) 16:44, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * 5)  I'm willing to give Zppix a change on local sysop, I don't feel like he needs his sysop revoked.  17:30, 30 October 2020 (UTC)


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Gomdoli (Wiki creator)

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 * Gomdoli (talk) 05:31, 3 November 2020 (UTC) ］ |

User: Gomdoli ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log ) Group: Wiki creator Reason: I joined miraheze, 7 September 2020. And I have contributed to miraheze wikis (including the miraheze meta) for several months. There are 24 Wiki Creators here, but I think about three ~ five seem to be active. I want to shorten the period between the time of the wiki being requested and the time of the wiki being accepted and created.

Additional comments: none

Thanks. Gomdoli (talk) 08:47, 2 November 2020 (UTC) Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * Comments/Questions

Abstain

 * 1)  Ordinarily I would support all wiki creator requests where I get a good sense the candidate would exercise good judgment in interpreting wiki requests and measuring them against Content Policy; however, given that the requestor's nomination statement is void of any comment that demonstrates their understanding of Content Policy and also that the requestor recently wanted to convert his private testing wiki into an unauthorized fork of Public Test Wiki, do feel like the candidate would do well to reach out to an existing wiki creator and engage in a mentorship, with situational-based probing questions that shows the candidate can fully interpret wiki requests and measure them against Content Policy, and try again, perhaps as a third party nomination, in another couple months. As well, due to the activity level of a handful of wiki creators, we're meeting or exceeding our de facto service level agreement ("SLA") standards. Dmehus (talk) 15:26, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 2) *I thought I knew wiki create and Content Policy well, but I wasn't. Thank you. :) Gomdoli (talk) 05:39, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1)  you clearly don't understand our wiki creating policies, nor do you have a good reason towards your request I would suggest getting to know our wiki creating policies before requesting wiki creator and not to mention you only have been at miraheze 1 month it's too early. --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 14:01, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)  I feel it may be a bit to early.  15:17, 2 November 2020 (UTC) ］ |


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BlackWidowMovie0000Editor (Bot)

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 * ❌. This can be assigned locally on your wiki. This is for Meta bots. Dmehus (talk) 16:57, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

User: BlackWidowMovie0000Editor ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log ) Group: Bot Reason: I am requesting the bot permission because it will be easier to manage my wikis if the bot can block users, protect/delete pages when I'm not on the wiki. If a user vandalizes something, the bot can quickly revert, protect, and then block the account for page vandalism. If there isn't a bot, the user can keep on vandalizing until a sysop comes online and blocks the user. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlackWidowMovie0000Editor (talk • contribs) 16:39, 11 November 2020 UTC

Additional comments:

Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * Comments/Questions


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BlackWidowMovie0000Editor (Wiki creator)

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 * ❌ per User close policy. Though there is no minimum support ratio for wiki creator, consensus is clear here that the candidate's recent contraventions of user accounts policy and active partial block on Meta indicate concerns of trustworthiness. Candidate would be well advised to heed the concerns and put some distance between those contraventions and disruptive behaviour, and engage with an experienced wiki creator in a mentorship arrangement after a few months time. Dmehus (talk) 05:19, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

User: BlackWidowMovie0000Editor ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log ) Group: Wiki creator Reason: I am requesting this right because I believe I am ready to tackle the responsibilities of the Wiki creator. I have repeatedly read the Content Policy and the Wiki creator guide, and am ready to answer any questions anyone might have for me. I know that there are some who have issues with my trust level, but I promise I will be impartial, and responsible with these permissions. I realize some users will immediately write:, but I strongly urge you to reconsider, as I have grown familiar with the policies and all that is going on.  —［  ］［ Talk  |  Contributions  |  Guestbook  | Status:   00:51, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Additional comments:

Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * Comments/Questions
 * 1) Hey, who set the thermostat so low? It is SNOWing in here. Zppix (Meta &#124; Sysadmin &#124; talk to me) 02:58, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 2) In good faith. Waldo (talk) 03:02, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 3) While I certainly believe in second chances, that generally requires time passing (you were engaging in sockpuppetry less than a week ago), and even if that is ignored you are currently blocked from mainspace. Naleksuh (talk) 04:26, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 4)  I think you're still early. -- Gomdoli (talk) 04:42, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 5)  I unfortunately can not support this request. In the past few days alone, you have requested rights on every community wiki, you are currently blocked from editing the main namespace of meta, and have actively engaged in sockpuppetry.  04:44, 18 November 2020 (UTC) ］ |


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R4356th (Wiki creator)

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 * Successful. John (talk) 18:28, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

User: R4356th ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log ) Group: Wiki creator Reason: I live in Asia and when I visit Meta and look at the Recent Changes feed in the afternoon (usually 1 p.m.), I see several wikis have been requested (in the Farmer log, of course). These wikis usually get created within the next seven hours. I believe that these wiki requests should ideally be reviewed faster. I have read and understood the Content Policy and Wiki Creators' Guide. For these reasons, I believe I will be able to help Miraheze by reviewing requests and creating wikis, and minimising the wiki request response time in the process.

Additional comments: I currently have 1579 global edits, of which 1021 are on Meta (909 of them have been made in the past 30 days). I am a bureaucrat on Snap! Wiki and Batman Family Wiki. I am also active with translating on Meta. R4356th (talk) 20:46, 21 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Questions
 * 1) The problem with the Asian wiki requests isn't so much a time of day issue, but rather, an issue with the poor quality of the Google Translate machine translations. Can you describe how you would overcome this with respect to the Mandarin, Cantonese, Traditional Chinese, Japanese, and Korean wiki requests? Dmehus (talk) 21:05, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I unfortunately do not know any of the languages you have mentioned above. If there are wiki requests in these languages, I would leave them for another Wiki Creator of that language. If they do not review the requests in a reasonable amount of time, I would review them myself after using at least two translating software to translate the description. R4356th (talk) 09:23, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) In your own words, explain to me each point in the Content Policy. Zppix (Meta &#124; Sysadmin &#124; talk to me) 22:00, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I have explained the points below -
 * A wiki's main purpose cannot be for commercial activity. Wikis cannot be used for showing advertisements to visitors or users or spamming and search engine optimisation. However, wikis are allowed to have fundraiser-type sales and information regarding commercial activities.
 * Contents in wikis must be legal in the United Kingdom. This means various forms of contraband, content inciting violence and underage nudity cannot be present in a wiki. Additionally, wikis must not have any infringing content copyright.
 * A wiki must not have contents spreading unsubstantiated insult, hate or rumours against a person or group of people. All contents on wikis must be fairly balanced, meaningful or substantiated with independent referencing.
 * A wiki must not create problems for other wikis. A wiki must not have contents which tend to draw unwelcome attention to Miraheze, for example, hate speech, routine denial of service attacks, excessively violent content, or places in which illegal activity is discussed can create issues for other wikis like domain blacklisting, downtimes, excessive staff time usage and in search engine optimisation. A wiki must also not be an exact duplicate or fork of another wiki.
 * Miraheze has the permission of redistributing a wiki's contents. By hosting a wiki on Miraheze, the wiki founder grants Miraheze a limited, worldwide license to redistribute content from their wiki to the users they permit to access their site and to Miraheze personnel to ensure that Miraheze can provide service.
 * (I have not explained the points "Miraheze may delete unused and empty wikis" and "Public wikis should develop a content policy" because they have nothing to do with wiki creation.) R4356th (talk) 11:51, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * Comments


 * 1)  and I can help you about Korean requests. -- Gomdoli (talk) 01:46, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)  Seems valid and non-greed. Waldo (talk) 01:57, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 3)  Reasonable understanding and application of Content Policy. I don't get the best sense how you would action requests with an unclear purpose, scope, and/or topic, but in my discussions with you on Discord and on here on Meta Wiki, you've shown yourself to be both quite receptive and responsive to feedback from others, which is essential. Additionally, your response to my question was quite good and satisfied any reservation I may or may not have had following your initial self-nomination statement. As such, this LGTM, and am happy to support. If your nomination is successful, I will be reaching out to you separately, as I have with and to other successful wiki creators to provide you my usual tips and best practices. Dmehus (talk) 14:27, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 4)  Out of good faith I think this user is worthy of wiki creator --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 15:38, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 5)  Per above HeartsDo (Talk || Global || Wiki Creator) 18:00, 27 November 2020 (UTC)


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Shaunak Chakraborty (Wiki creator)

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 * No consensus for granting. John (talk) 14:55, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

User: Shaunak Chakraborty ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log ) Group: Wiki creator Reason: I am here on Miraheze from last 2 years, I'm an interwiki administrator and the owner of the third largest wiki Gyaanipedia on Miraheze. I want to handle especially the Indian wiki requests as the Indian Standard Time differs from another timezone so it will take time for wiki creation. As I told that I am on this platform since more than 2 years so you can trust me.

Additional comments: I have around 4700 global edits on Miraheze and want to serve Miraheze from my heart and get involve here so it's my humble request kindly give me in right. India is having the 2nd largest population in the world so the requests also will be more in number as compare with other countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shaunak Chakraborty (talk • contribs) 07:52, 28 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Questions

Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * Comments


 * 1)  Despite India's population being very large, there are not many requests from India. My timezone is just 30 minutes ahead of India and I do understand Hindi enough to review a Hindi request (but not the other languages which are spoken there with the exception of Bengali). And I usually do not see you here on Meta unless you have any issue with any wiki you run. So, I do not know whether to support this or not. But considering you have so many global edits, you may make a good wiki creator. I guess I am neutral for now. R4356th (talk) 11:14, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)  While the candidate is certainly active outside of Meta and no doubt very active in adding interwiki prefixes to the candidate's own Gyannipedia network of Miraheze customer wikis to the candidate's own wikis, the lack of Meta activity and activity on Discord precludes me from supporting. That being said, I also don't like opposing candidates I don't know, so  is, for better or for worse, where I have to sit here, as I cannot assess the candidate's understanding of Content Policy. I would point out, though, that as  pointed out, he is from your timezone. Together with him, myself, Naleksuh, HeartsDo, FireBarrier101, Zppix, MrJaroslavik, and other active wiki creators, I doubt you would have to wait more than an hour or two for a requested wiki to be approved and thus created Dmehus (talk) 14:27, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Dear I completely respect your statement, I knew the Content Policy completely. Although I have less edits on Meta but I truly believe that trust and believe stands more than edits which I gained since last 2 years, as I am an active user and have the largest number of edits on my wiki Gyaanipedia proves that I am a hard-working person. I know this, that I am a responsible person and I can be an excellent wiki creator so I should get a chance. Shaunak Chakraborty (talk) 15:57, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply. As I say, I don't have any opposition, but for me, I really can't assess your understanding of Content Policy based on your lack of recent Meta editing activity. Any wiki descriptions for wikis you've requested, similarly, don't give me any idea, particularly as they have been quite short. Not saying you need to have a great deal of Meta editing activity, but just a bit more. I would rather see you engage with an existing wiki creator privately on Discord or IRC over the next month or so, and then have that individual renominate you for wiki creator following that successful mentorship. Dmehus (talk) 16:01, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 1)  would like to see more global activity, first. Zppix (Meta &#124; Sysadmin &#124; talk to me) 17:45, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)  Waldo (talk) 18:36, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 3)  You have activity globally and I will not contest that, but, if you want to become wiki creator for me, you should have a minimum of activity here in Meta, I don't ask to be a patroller or something that request time, just to be here a little more or you can request a mentorship with a wiki creator as Dmehus says HeartsDo (Talk || Global || Wiki Creator) 06:27, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 4)  I would like to see you make more global edits and show us you understand our wiki creating policies first before becoming wiki creator --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 15:47, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 5)  I don't know who you are. Gomdoli (talk) 06:32, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I do not think that "knowing who a user is" should really influence a vote. You can check the users' contributions and ask them questions so you find out what they are like. DeeM28 (talk) 11:46, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 1)  I have only recently became aware of you, as such I can not quite support this request, however I can't oppose it either.  06:47, 1 December 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * Dear &  I hope you people heard about Gyaanipedia which is one of the largest parody of Wikipedia in the world I mostly contribute there only. Shaunak Chakraborty (talk)
 * 1)  I have said many times before that I do not like discouraging users and so I would not like this comment to be treated as that. I do have some issues that unfortunately do not play in the favour of me supporting this request. First, I agree with R4356th comments above, that as far as I have noticed there are not many Indian requests so saying that you would like to mostly handle those is an issue and would mean you would not be handling many requests at all. I would like to see more about handling wiki requests in other languages, not a complete focus on Indian requests. Second, I do not see why contributing to the Gyanipedia wikis would really have anything to do with a users' notoriety on Meta. Finally it would be a good idea if a user who is more experienced with wiki creating and the Content Policy (I am not) would ask some questions to see your knowledge. I do think that if you are more active on Meta and do show you are willing to engage with non-Indian requests too and that you understand the Content Policy you can become wiki creator at a later time. DeeM28 (talk) 11:36, 2 December 2020 (UTC)


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