User talk:Agent Isai/Archive 2

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Questions
Who approves wiki requests IP editor 03:31, 29 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Wiki creators do, of which I am one. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 03:35, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Epic IP editor 03:39, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Please approve
Please approve my wiki about killing ladybugs ALT anti ladybug team (talk) 03:28, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You are kidding? Your description talking about the wiki is not showing the scope, and what do you mean by killing ladybugs? --YellowFrogger (Talk — ✐) 03:29, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Please go back and edit your wiki request so that we may review it. Thanks. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 03:29, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay I edited the request and by killing ladybugs I mean literally murdering them I have a strong hatred for them ALT anti ladybug team (talk) 03:37, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikis requested on the premise of a blatantly irrational hatred invoking murder, pain and so forth is grounds to decline on just about any platform, and particularly here regardless of its subject even for insects. --Raidarr (talk) 17:17, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Help
I need a private test wiki but It got automatically declined can you help out? The zone (talk) 06:04, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi there, I declined the wiki as it would be more advisable of you to use the Public Test Wiki to test MediaWiki and other things out such as bots. Additionally, you didn't specify it's a private wiki but my suggestion stands regardless. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 06:07, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Well these bots are different but not in a good way………………The zone (talk) 06:12, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
 * How so? Agent Isai  Talk to me! 06:13, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
 * They are highly unstable one OPPS is all it takes………The zone (talk) 06:18, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
 * As noted on my talk page, you should update the request with all relevant details, turning the ambiguity here into exactly what the bot does that is so unstable. Is it a risk to Miraheze, or would just be a terrible mess to clean up on PTW including active disruption to others testing? The details would be relevant to an exception that might apply. Having the private flag updated in your request would help as well. --Raidarr (talk) 09:09, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The user says they are testing a bot that could cause destruction to the wiki (bots can go very wrong, of course, just an if statement saying to create a page with a changing name not working can cause the bot to constantly create a page). The user is now telling random users about this, so I recommend you should read and consider that again.  Anpang 📨 08:05, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It doesn’t destroy wiki’s it does damage them Tho@Anpang The zone (talk) 15:05, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
 * how? ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  15:09, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
 * ....Then I don't understand why you need another wiki, then.  Anpang 📨 11:21, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Because it’s highly unstable and can do random things like banning people and ruining pages and potentially putting years of work down the drainThe zone (talk) 15:26, 31 December 2021 (UTC) @RhinosF1

Need help with math editor
Hi again, I'm a new user and need some help. In my wiki called mathzadachi is missing the math equations editor. I can't insert LaTeX equations. How can I do it? Thanks in advance. RedFox (talk) 20:03, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

A bomb for you!

 * YellowFrogger, should we diffuse File:Fat man.jpg? :P Dmehus (talk) 21:11, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * We'll have to do this Noto Emoji Pie 1f4a5.svg Noto Emoji Pie 1f606.svg --YellowFrogger (Talk — ✐) 21:27, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi
I need some help designing my wiki like what do I add Rn 001 project wiki making (talk) 21:09, 3 January 2022 (UTC)


 * What topic does your wiki focus on? Agent Isai  Talk to me! 22:21, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * hold on let me decide Rn 001 project wiki making (talk) 19:32, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

RequestWiki22211
Hi. This user is trying to create a similar variant of the following wiki: Crappy GachaTubers Wiki, which should be deleted. Even if it's just videos, (can't people), it's a good thing you didn't accept it. --YellowFrogger (Talk — ✐) 22:06, 4 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Indeed, this wiki certainly draws up some red flags. I'll discuss it with a Steward later today. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 22:20, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Wikiverse
Hi mate, how long is the pending review going to last? CreateWiki Extension gave an approval score of 0.88 which I believe is 88%! --DoveTheWingedWarrior (talk) 16:03, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * 0.95 --YellowFrogger (Talk — ✐) 16:31, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I've replied to your request. Please reply on there too for the sake of order, thanks! Agent Isai  Talk to me! 16:32, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * You told me not to edit the request! --DoveTheWingedWarrior (talk) 17:49, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, edit the description of the request, not that you couldn't leave comments on it. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 17:51, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry for my English. I thought you were talking about the maximum score for the wikicreator extension. It usually takes minutes at these times. --YellowFrogger (Talk — ✐) 16:33, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Your wiki request was not accepted by Agent because he recommended you edit Famepedia. I'm in the same vein as you. --YellowFrogger (Talk — ✐) 16:36, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Kind of a bit unfair, because I never heard of Famepedia until now, plus, Famepedia is similar to WiliAlpha and Everybody Wiki. It's not fair that these wikis get accepted and then my wiki gets declined, just because it falls into a similar category as other encyclopedias. I was desperately willing to create the Wikiverse community. That was my goal for 2022, and now my wish is ruined. I have tried other sites. Media Wiki installer failed to download. Shout Wiki service was down. Fandom isn't the same as Wikipedia style, and EditThis.info doesn't even create wikis anymore either. Please help! --DoveTheWingedWarrior (talk) 17:47, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The thing about WikiAlpha and EverybodyWiki is that they're not hosted on Miraheze. Our Content Policy prohibits duplicate wikis with a similar scope. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 17:50, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I have an idea! Is it okay if you can create a wiki for me with Media Wiki with the wiki titled Wikiverse.org? I'd appreciate that! Just make my username DoveTheWingedWarrior, and tell me the password, and I am all set to go! Please? --DoveTheWingedWarrior (talk) 17:56, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Just to make sure we're on the same page, you want me to install MediaWiki for you on a domain I assume you own? Agent Isai  Talk to me! 17:58, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, yes, that would be perfect! It would be great if you came along too! --DoveTheWingedWarrior (talk) 17:59, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's disappointing when we have the scope of the wiki, and it doesn't get accepted. It's frustrating, like Cutompaya, that I had even made the logo for the wiki project, but it didn't get accepted. That's the problem with you having to request, not create, the wiki. I don't agree with Agent, but he claims it's the content policy. Not to mention, I'd rather be an owner than just a simple wiki editor. --YellowFrogger (Talk — ✐) 18:00, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

I assume you have a server and a domain ready, correct? Agent Isai Talk to me! 18:01, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, wikiverse.org It should be fine! --DoveTheWingedWarrior (talk) 18:10, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * What exactly went wrong during MediaWiki install? Agent Isai  Talk to me! 18:13, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I tried downloading the file on my mobile phone, but the file wouldn't open in my downloads. I don't have a PC! --DoveTheWingedWarrior (talk) 18:20, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Do you think you have enough money to run a wiki hosting? --YellowFrogger (Talk — ✐) 18:05, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * MediaWiki is a free, open source wiki application that many web hosting companies offer on their plans. --DoveTheWingedWarrior (talk) 18:14, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note that it is highly recommended that you have a computer to organize a wiki. Everything on the cell phone is more complicated and time-consuming! --YellowFrogger (Talk — ✐) 18:29, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'll buy a laptop when I get the chance. There is a computer place I go to, but I can't download random files because I don't own the PC. By the way, do you like the name Wikiverse? --DoveTheWingedWarrior (talk) 18:32, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I would suggest you go for dedicated MediaWiki hosting as that'd be the easiest for you to setup. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 18:35, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * What does that mean? What makes it easier? So you can't install it for me? --DoveTheWingedWarrior (talk) 18:40, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

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please approve my Wiki adoption request Rn 001 project wiki making (talk) 22:27, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'm not a Steward. You'll have to wait for one to process your request. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 22:32, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * its been taking days is that usual Rn 001 project wiki making (talk) 17:59, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * It is. Try checking back on Sunday. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 18:04, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok Rn 001 project wiki making (talk) 21:22, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Question
It’s Sunday now whatRn 001 project wiki making (talk) 22:15, 9 January 2022 (UTC)


 * I have asked Dmehus to check adoption requests. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 22:18, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Talk to any steward, is active and can do this for you. --YellowFrogger  (Talk — ✐) 22:19, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

News4U
News4U will be an integrated news encyclopedia that will provide the most comprehensive mix of domestic and international news, covering an array of topics from politics, to finance, to entertainment, to sports. The news encyclopedia is dedicated to deliver the best journalism in the global era by bringing its readers the most valuable daily news. --DoveTheWingedWarrior (talk) 02:49, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikinews by the Wikimedia Foundation has the same topic. --YellowFrogger (Talk — ✐) 02:52, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Hey 👋
Hi Agent, about our conversation on the server, I just have to conclude here that I don't like and I'm against hat collection, and frequent and short-time request for rights (HAT). In fact, for me, the contribution and the willingness to help will be in the foreground. I don't even know if right is enough to be a background, I just think that a contributing and reliable user should receive the most advanced tools, as long as it stays genuine, I agree with that. The robots I agree only if he does a decent job together with the humans. Because it is absolutely true that a robot is made to do a repetitive task and suppresses laziness, the consequence is the lack of employment. Therefore, my dream is for a robot to work well, and, review together with humans, if necessary. The Wiki creator is an accountability group, a volunteer is grateful for it (their collaboration on wiki creation, etc.). My answers on my talk page are unnecessary and I understand that, actually, what I mean is that I've done enough on the noticeboards, and I've done enough with the translation. the Wiki creator, as said, is a mere responsibility, and a form of contribution more along with the answers in the noticeboards. So the right here doesn't matter, the point here is collaboration in reviewing wikis, as you use your time to review, without gaining anything in return. I've been doing this with the intention of helping, and the rights bring one more way to the project's growth, in addition to what is already done (consolidation). It is worth noting that I agree with the quote sent by you at that time. In short: rights do not matter, but the voluntariness behind it. All my previous requests came with a different intention than is thought. A genuine user can ask for privileges if he wants, for his deeds, and the intention of the willingness to help is above all that. Get this in your head now and for the future (: --YellowFrogger (Talk — ✐) 00:45, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

New server question
Hello. How long after the change it will be slower? Thanks! AlPaD (talk) 12:35, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, after the migration we hope that there will be no more slowness. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 17:29, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
 * As Reception spoke above. 502 and 503 errors will become rarer. The migration will start tomorrow (in the evening) and maybe last 30 minutes. That's what was said. --YellowFrogger (Talk — ✐) 19:27, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! AlPaD (talk) 19:41, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

I redid the request.
Greetings! I re-requested the "Wikistupid" with the name "Wikiearth" because it's a wiki about everything on earth. Can you check and talk to me about it? ~ Encedent (talk) 22:34, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Olá. Eu vi sim que você reenviou a solicitação. Ela tem escopo claro e parece perfeito para ser aceita, no entanto, Agent recusou com a desculpa de ter o domínio errado. Eu achei estranho pelo fato de ser uma wiki de humor. Ele provavelmente irá revisar mais tarde o novo nome, os servidores então lentos no momento devido a migração. Obrigado. --YellowFrogger (Talk — ✐) 01:25, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Wikifacts - the free facts encyclopedia
Okay, here me out! What about Wikifacts? An encyclopedia full of fact! --DoveTheWingedWarrior (talk) 02:57, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * wikipedia.org here Octahedron foundation (talk) 18:08, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Regarding Special:Diff/226270...
...who are the global officials? Aren't global policies discussed at RFC. So, shouldn't it be changed to global community or simply community. If the word "staff" is deprecated, I'd rather go with "community" or "community consensus" or "volunteers" than "global officials". --Magogre (talk) 10:55, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The community is implied in the former part of the statement in the 'consensus' section. The statement purposefully says "This policy follows consensus and/or guidelines set by global officials" implying that both the community as a whole and select, delegated officials have the power to write policy. My mention of "global officials" mainly has to do with the Board who does not need community intervention to amend legal policies such as the Terms of Use or Privacy Policy along with Trust and Safety who does not need the community in order to amend and change it's Data Processing Policy. Additionally, if I'm not mistaken, Stewards and SRE have the capability of making policy if needed (Stewards for example wrote Code of Conduct without an RfC mandating it and Dormancy Policy too was written by someone with both a sysadmin and Steward hat on without an RfC backing it). Agent Isai  Talk to me! 14:18, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response and clarification. :) Did they requested any feedback from the community when creating the policies such as CoC and DP (I wasn't here at that time). --Magogre (talk) 15:43, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't know to be quite frank but there doesn't seem to be a paper trail at Requests for Comment. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 23:43, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I suspect a large part of this came from a) the far more oligarchic nature of Meta's early days (iirc, weren't Stewards themselves appointed at the time? Democracy, especially to the point it is now came later) and b) the founding nature of the time, with far less of a community when creating foundational things such as the CoC. Stewards putting something the weight of the CoC in place today would face far, far greater scrutiny and have larger platform consequences. --Raidarr (talk) 21:43, 15 January 2022 (UTC)


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Hello, I need some help with my wiki.
I am new here but I have trouble in knowing how to add tabs on the wiki header? There is Navigation,Explore and Administration but I wanted to include more on it (My wiki is using the cosmos skin by the way.) Peakbread (talk) 19:40, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi! What do you mean wiki header? The sidebar? Or the cosmos skin header? Any questions you can pass to this user: Universal Omega (who is the creator of the Cosmos skin) --YellowFrogger (Talk — ✐) 19:58, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I believe you are talking about the sidebar (by the administration). You can change it in MediaWiki:Sidebar. Information: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar --YellowFrogger (Talk — ✐) 20:00, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Its like this; https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Superpower_Wiki where there is explore, powers and stuff on the wiki header. I want to do that. Peakbread (talk) 21:05, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I got it. Thanks for the help though. Peakbread (talk) 22:56, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Traducciones
Hola. Lamento que no te haya agradado la traducción. Lo siento en tres sentidos: uno, porque no te agradó; dos, por no permitir la incorporación de más información, de no permitir que la página sea más completa (¿acaso la versión original está perfecta y completa?; y la tercera, y la más importante: antes de deshacer un trabajo de más de ocho horas, considero conveniente plantear los desacuerdos en la página de discusión o directamente me lo dices a mi. Mi esfuerzo ha sido prácticamente en vano. Ese tiempo lo podría haber dedicado a otras cosas. Si este es el estilo de trabajo en meta:Miraheze, prefiero no aportar más en meta. Gracias. Saludos cordiales. Hugo Ar (talk) 15:47, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * No entendí. ¿El Agent eliminó todas tus traducciones? ¿O simplemente rehizo todas sus traducciones? --YellowFrogger (Talk — ✐) 16:01, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * YellowFrogger, hola. No sé cuál es tu costumbre, pero habitualmente cuando se quiere conversar con una persona determinada sobre una cuestión determinada en una página de discusión personal, y más aún si el interlocutor no ha respondido, no tendrías por qué inquietarte. El historial está a la vista de todos, el tiempo que le he dedicado también. Perdona, pero mis consultas y mis comentarios sobre este particular es con Agent Isai. Nadie mejor que él puede dar respuesta a mis consultas. Un cordial saludo. Hugo Ar (talk) 16:08, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * No es que no me haya gustado tus tradiciones, el problema aquí es que se supone que las traducciones deben reflejar el texto original en inglés. Tú agregaste información adicional y además agregaste una lista de derechos asignados a los grupo cuando ya existía una tabla allí con la lista de derechos que cambia de lenguaje basado en los ajustes de tu sistema operativo o navegador. Si deseas que agregué partes de la información adicional que agregaste a la traducción de español a la pagina en inglés para que podamos agregar eso a la pagina en español entonces dime y lo haré. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 16:16, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Muchas gracias por tu respuesta. Mi nivel de inglés es en-1 y mi nivel de español es-N con mediana a alta preocupación por la gramática, la sintaxis y la correcta redacción. De allí a que me salga bien puede haber una distancia, pero lo intento en todos los órdenes.
 * Hay dos maneras de traducir: una es de manera textual, repitiendo incluso las fallas gramaticales del original, para esto basta un traductor en línea. La otra es parafraseando e intentando otorgarle el estilo, el vocabulario y la riqueza propia del idioma. Hay palabras en inglés que se han extendido en el universo wiki pero que no resultan del todo amables en español. Por citar una: «patrullero» (da la sensación que estamos frente a un cuerpo policial en permanente vigilia) en lugar de «verificador» o «revisor» (mucho más amable y refleja mejor el espíritu de esos grupos de usuarios). Si esperas (o meta:Miraheze espera) traducciones prácticamente automáticas, sin matices del idioma, es mejor poner en marcha a un bot (término del que nunca se aclara que proviene del acortamiento de la palabra «robot», dicho sea de paso) para que lo haga. Si fuera así, declino mi idea de traducir aquí.
 * Además de traducir la información que aparece en el original debí efectuar algunas correcciones. El original se contradice o no es lo suficientemente explícito en varios párrafos. Por ejemplo, primeramente se dice que los «burócratas» están facultades para conceder permisos a los grupos locales de usuarios. Luego, en las secciones de «reversor» o de «(autoc)onfirmado» (por citar solo dos, aunque el error aparece también extendido en otras secciones) los ignora al mencionar que los «administradores» pueden conceder el permiso; cuando, en verdad, tendría que decir «burócratas y administradores». Asimismo, en varias secciones no se aclara qué grupos están facultados para revocar los permisos previamente otorgados. Tampoco se menciona que el grupo «administradores de traducción» solo debiera existir en las wikis o grupos de wikis con más de un idioma. Ese grupo de usuario no es predeterminado como allí se deja entrever.
 * Sobre el añadido de las listas. Me ha demandado bastante tiempo y esfuerzo en armar esas listas. Para hacerlo, he considerado wikis que no han cambiado la configuración de permisos de grupos a través de managewiki. Lo que figura en esas tablas, no disponibles para su traducción (¿por qué?), no refleja lo que aparece, por ejemplo, en la wiki que administro, a pesar de no haber modificado la configuración original de permisos. Las más notables diferencias aparecen en los grupos «administradores», «usuarios», «(todos)». Estos tres grupos les competen más atribuciones de las que allí aparecen. No es necesario ser experto para percatarse de la ausencia de permisos básicos. Por ejemplo (y esto solo es una muestra de lo que deseo resaltar), en el grupo «usuarios» no aparecen completamente detalladas atribuciones tales como la de disponer de una lista de seguimiento, modificar preferencias del usuario, posibilidad de modificar la firma, posibilidad de modificar el correo electrónico, etc. Las exactas diferencias las puedes apreciar al comparar las listas que confeccioné con lo que está publicado en las tablas. La cantidad de permisos omitidos es significativamente importante. Disculpa si me repito en este aspecto pero no me parece un asunto menor: en la wiki que administro no he efectuado cambios en los grupos de usuario y aparecen muchos más permisos de los que se brindan en la página de Meta.
 * En suma, estoy haciendo referencia a dos aspectos. La versión original no es perfecta, no es completa y contiene aparentes errores u omisiones. A sabiendas de todo esto, ¿es coherente traducir con errores gramaticales, modismos de otro idioma, información que da lugar a ambigüedades?, ¿es coherente continuar traduciendo textualmente y solo reflejar datos incompletos o incorrectos?
 * Gaacias. Saludos cordiales. Hugo Ar (talk) 17:26, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * 1. Entiendo este punto y te agradezco por tu esfuerzo. Lo que se espera de los traductores es que usen el nombre propio y oficial en español cualquier grupo, herramienta o cosa. Tal como mencionaste, el nombre propio para «autopatrolled» es «autoverificado», no «autopatrullado». También se espera de los traductores que traduzcan las expresiones a expresiones equivalentes en su idioma y si eso no es posible, que lo traduzcan sin expresiones. Se le agradece a todos los traductores que le ponen empeño a su trabajo y no usan un traductor en línea (esa práctica es sumamente mal vista).
 * 2. Los burócratas no tienen la habilidad de conceder o revocar todos los grupos locales, solo pueden conceder o revocar administrador y administrador de interfaz. Es por esa razón que la sección de burócratas solamente dice que los burócratas pueden conceder o revocar esos dos grupos y no todos los grupos. Para ascender o rebajar a usuarios de reversor, autopatrullado, o confirmado, se necesita ser un administrador. Yo me baso en Special:ManageWikiDefaultPermissions/bureaucrat y Special:ManageWikiDefaultPermissions/sysop. Revise todas las secciones y en cada una de ellas, se menciona quien puede otorgar y revocar cuales permisos. Con respecto a la sección de "Administrador de traducciones," no sé quién agrego eso pero el plan original era solo enseñar en esa página los grupos predeterminados en todos los wikis. Ya que administrador de traducciones es un grupo que es añadido al habilitar una extensión, lo removeré.
 * 3. La razón por la cual no es posible traducir la tabla es que el artículo usa una función especial de MediaWiki que muestra una traduccion que se hizo en Translatewiki.net de la descripción que el desarrollador le asignó al derecho. Debería automáticamente cambiar de lenguaje basado en los ajustes de tu navegador. Adicionalmenteme, hice la tabla basándome en Special:ManageWikiDefaultPermissions, el cual muestra todos los derechos asignados a los grupos de manera predeterminada.
 * 4. Si tienes sugerencias o correcciones para la pagina, déjame saber y las corregiré. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 19:32, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Muchas gracias por tus aclaraciones. Un punto que me has marcado y que considero fundamental es el de la referencias al pie de las páginas. Ello dirime dudas, posibles diferencias y posibles ambigüedades en la redacción. Lo que redactaste aquí es claro y contundente: Los burócratas no tienen la habilidad de conceder o revocar todos los grupos locales, solo pueden conceder o revocar administrador y administrador de interfaz. Lo que modificaría es la palabra habilidad por capacidad, aunque se comprende igual. Y con esta frase, personalmente no creo que burócrata sea el grupo más alto porque está impedido de enormes facultades. Administrador y burócratas son, pues, complementarios entre sí y la distribución de las funciones promueve el control mutuo (obviamente, en wikis con varios integrantes en esos grupos). Con esto quiero decir que no estoy de acuerdo con calificar a uno u otro grupo de usuario, como el más importante o el más elevado. Estas calificaciones son puramente subjetivas.
 * Por otra parte, no veo una respuesta acerca de la aparente omisión de permisos. Repito, los grupos de usuarios: administradores, usuarios, (todos) tienen más permisos que los que podemos leer en esa tabla. ¿O hay algo distinto que no conozco? ¿Puedes sustentar esto con alguna referencia o enlace? Lee esto, por favor. Reitero que no modifiqué permisos a los grupos de usuario; en la wiki que administro la lista es mucho más extensa.
 * Lo de Translatewiki.net es lamentable. He intentado traducir allí y el trámite para hacerlo es altamente burocrático. Me he limitado a hacerlo a nivel de la wiki que administro. Muchos mensajes contienen errores. Hay varios altamente groseros. Ni siquiera aparecen correctamente escritos los términos administrador, burócrata, administrador de interfaz, menos aún los mensajes que aparecen en la tabla de permisos. En Tranlawiki también observé que hay un grupo llamado Miraheze y que a su vez este grupo está formado por 13 subgrupos. ¿Hay alguien por allí que domine el idioma español y se dedique a corregir los mensajes? Sería de gran utilidad corregir desde allí la enorme cantidad de errores en vez de dejar a cada usuario penando y sufriendo con ediciones en sus respectivas wikis. Ello insume mucho tiempo y desvía del propósito. (Esto lo comento porque te has referido a Translatewiki).
 * Quizás las formas de trabajo sean otras, pero considero que antes de mandar a traducir la página se podría escribir un mensaje en su página de discusión al aguardo de mejoras acerca de su contenido y redacción. Esta conversación que tenemos aquí, se debiera estar dando en la discusión de esa página, con la página en plena redacción del contenido, aun sin permiso para traducirla. Si luego de unos días (¿un mes?) nadie interviene, nadie consulta, tienes la facultad de asumir que no hay objeciones y que se está en condiciones de marcar para traducción. Hay páginas de alta sensibilidad, muy esperadas o de lectura masiva. Esta es una de ellas. Precisa revisión entre pares. Ahora mis opiniones o comentarios no están en igualdad de condiciones, pues quedan subordinados a tus decisiones. Si de veras este es un trabajo entre pares, apliquemos esto. Todos mis comentarios y sugerencias quedan subordinadas, condicionados a tu buena voluntad y predisposición. La situación no es simétrica. Gracias por tus respuestas. Saludos cordiales. Hugo Ar (talk) 22:49, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Quizás las formas de trabajo sean otras, pero considero que antes de mandar a traducir la página se podría escribir un mensaje en su página de discusión al aguardo de mejoras acerca de su contenido y redacción. Esta conversación que tenemos aquí, se debiera estar dando en la discusión de esa página, con la página en plena redacción del contenido, aun sin permiso para traducirla. Si luego de unos días (¿un mes?) nadie interviene, nadie consulta, tienes la facultad de asumir que no hay objeciones y que se está en condiciones de marcar para traducción. Hay páginas de alta sensibilidad, muy esperadas o de lectura masiva. Esta es una de ellas. Precisa revisión entre pares. Ahora mis opiniones o comentarios no están en igualdad de condiciones, pues quedan subordinados a tus decisiones. Si de veras este es un trabajo entre pares, apliquemos esto. Todos mis comentarios y sugerencias quedan subordinadas, condicionados a tu buena voluntad y predisposición. La situación no es simétrica. Gracias por tus respuestas. Saludos cordiales. Hugo Ar (talk) 22:49, 19 January 2022 (UTC)