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Travel guides Wiki golf
If you like simple travel topics, or golf ask me to the wikis. Ty. Sperosdurell (talk) 23:16, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * A link to your wiki would be helpful, greetings --LilyLilyu - smile.svg talk and I will listen · Lilypond Wiki 07:54, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * https://setg.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page here you go 😊 Sperosdurell (talk) 10:20, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you. You can abbreviate the link  Main Page greetings --LilyLilyu - smile.svg talk and I will listen · Lilypond Wiki 17:29, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The wiki needs support. Yaq1121 (talk) 18:22, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * What kind of support? Iron Sword 23 (talk) 19:44, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Anytime would be much appreciated. Yaq1121 (talk) 20:43, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Anything. Yaq1121 (talk) 20:43, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Any possibility to get page view statistics or analytics without Matomo?
We want to have some basic statistics of our page views (ideally as available as time series aggregated daily) to see if and how usage changes after specific actions of advertising our Wiki. Aggregated data without user tracking is totally sufficient.

Our initial idea was to integrate it with our Google Analytics using the Google Analytics Integration or the [HeadScript], which seems deprecated by Miraheze as discussed here because of privacy concerns.

Using this alternative Matomo and MatomoAnalytics seems overkill, as we are already using Google Analytics for the remainder of the pages.

This overview produced by the Special:Analytics of the plugin is not enough, as the aggregation is quite coarse and would require some hacky script to scrape off daily to get daily usage.

However, it seems, that generally the Wikimedia API provides the capability to get pageviews, as documented here:

However, it seems not available in our installation, as this query

https://wiki.climatechange.ai/w/api.php?action=query&format=json&prop=pageviews&titles=Welcome_to_the_Climate_Change_AI_Wiki

Returns: Unrecognized value for parameter "prop": pageviews

Similarly, the REST API here offers the metrics of pageviews, which is not available for our wiki:

What is the best approach for our installation?

Can the Miraheze admins activate the pageviews in the API or are we bound to using Matomo? Didn't find anything in the Special:ManageWiki to do it myself. MarcusV (talk) 12:57, 22 June 2021 (UTC)


 * This request should be made in Phabricator. Thanks, —Bu kk it 17:18, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank. Yes, wasn't sure. Sounded like something that may be a general thing. Thanks, I raised it with #T7512 MarcusV (talk) 20:10, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Generally, yes most posts should be made in the CN, but technical stuff (unconfigurable) should be a task on Phab. —Bu kk it 21:22, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Bukkit I'm actually not seeing as how this would be appropriate for a Phabricator task. MarcusV asked for possible alternatives, excluding Google Analytics which is unavailable for obvious privacy reasons, for analytics for their wiki, something that is in between the Matomo Analytics extension on Miraheze and the Matomo extension. Dmehus (talk) 01:36, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Namespace default link prefix
Quoted from https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Namespace_manager Default link prefix. Links from this namespace to other pages which do not have a prefix will be treated as if they were prefixed with this text. For example, if this was set to "User", a link in the given namespace Dogmaster3000 would be rendered as if it was written Dogmaster3000. The most common use for this is namespace-internal linking. For example, it could be assumed that any unprefixed link in the "Cookbook" namespace points to another recipe, rather than a page in the Main Namespace. How can enable this feature on my newly defined namespace on my miraheze instance? I did create a new namespace, but it keeps linking to the main namespace, instead of namespace-internal linking. Altilunium (talk) 01:49, 23 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Altilunium, ordinarily, if it can't be done in ManageWiki, usually ; however, in this case, as ManageWiki controls our namespace configuration on Miraheze, it might be difficult / not possible without migrating to ManageWiki. What are you trying to do, though? Dmehus (talk) 01:52, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm looking for easier way to do namespace-internal linking. We at the Bluepages community have a discussion regarding how to split the project for each country. The consensus is : split this wiki to several "sub-wiki" by using namespace. Altilunium (talk) 02:06, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Close my account
Hello, please close my account on Miraheze, because I am no longer interested in Miraheze. Thanks. SobySobea (talk) 06:21, 14 June 2021 (UTC)


 * SobySobea We can't close or delete accounts, but we can either (a) vanish your account (which can be recovered later and which is handled by Stewards) or (b) anonymize your account (which can't be recovered and which is handled by Trust and Safety). If you prefer the latter, please e-mail . Thank you. Dmehus (talk) 06:40, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * SobySobea You should not have engaged in vandalism on Meta Wiki and Loginwiki. Nevertheless, I'm willing to assume good faith here that this was a temporary, very ill-advised spate of vandalism owing to the fact that your self-requested lock had not been put into place. The fact is, though, it was not put into place because we were awaiting clarification on whether you meant for your account merely to be locked by Stewards (can be unlocked later) or anonymized by Trust and Safety (cannot be recovered later). Nevertheless, I will relock your account as a self-requested Steward lock. Should you wish to later anonymize your account later, you may e-mail Trust and Safety at . Additionally, please consider this your firm warning that vandalism is not tolerated, and you should've instead checked your Echo notifications (red bell) for my ping to you. Thank you. Dmehus (talk) 14:43, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

A countdown clock.
Is there a way to create a repeatable countdown timer that could help me count down repeatedly when a Trophy Season in Brawl Stars is ending and then countdown again for the new season? Song Ngư MGR (talk) 08:33, 9 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Not sure about an animating countdown timer, but you can do something similar using ParserFunctions by subtracting dates after converting them into numerical values: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions
 * The result will be static however (at least won't update on the page without a refresh). SchizoidNightmares (talk) 19:39, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * You can also use Lua for this. For example, the English Wikipedia utilizes Module:Countdown. Other than that, if you want a live countdown timer, you would probably need to do a JS gadget. I could see about throwing one together for you if you'd like. -- Void  Whispers 02:18, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah I'd like to ;)
 * Actually I feel myself just a beginner on my little journey '_' Song Ngư MGR (talk) 03:34, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * So how would you do the way?
 * (I also notice that now you could subscribe to the thread that you are working on :D) Song Ngư MGR (talk) 02:06, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry if this not urgent, but... Uhh...
 * It's 10 days from the last comment that I placed here, Void.
 * So... uhhh... How would you do with the gadget? Song Ngư MGR (talk) 07:31, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Good news, I found an extension called CountDownClock while looking for things for Moderation. Since the documentations said that it would create an dynamic countdown clock, I thinks I would thank you for helping me, but... Now u could rest. Song Ngư MGR (talk) 18:29, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Recent Changes Bot
How can I make my own Recent Changes bot to monitor my own Miraheze instance?

I get really anxious whether someone is posting inappropriate / illegal content to my Miraheze instance. So, I want to closely monitor all of my wiki's recent changes. #miraheze-feed is a good start, but I want to monitor my own wiki, not everyone's wiki. Altilunium (talk) 04:31, 23 June 2021 (UTC) If it is failing at this very moment, it's because Miraheze servers are having issues right now, it should work without error once the servers are fixed. 21x (talk) 10:59, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * There is a special page for edits which are not created by your account, insert following e.g. in your userpage  there are far less edits from others than you think believe me ;-) --LilyLilyu - smile.svg talk and I will listen · Lilypond Wiki 07:24, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The main problem is : I want to set up a notification service, directly to my phone. So I don't have to manually, repeatedly check that page. That's why, IRC bot is pretty convenient to me. Regarding far less edits from others than you think, it's better safe than sorry. I have some pretty traumatic experience back then, regarding wiki's open-editing policy. I will ensure myself that this problem wont ever happened again. Altilunium (talk) 07:31, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Altilunium Can you create a MirahezeBots Phabricator task, specifying the name of your registered IRC channel (can be in Miraheze namespace or not), the IRC network it's on (Libera.Chat is strongly preferred), your registered IRC nickname, and the like? The MirahezeBots team will try and get this set up shortly. Thank you. Dmehus (talk) 14:31, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Dmehus Thank you. Altilunium (talk) 15:19, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Altilunium No problem. :) Dmehus (talk) 15:42, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * There is a global recent changes tracker. Join #miraheze-cvt-feed on Libera or go to #cvt-feed on the Miraheze Discord. —Mario Mario 456 19:39, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, in this case, though, they're looking for a specific wiki RC feed, which we do set up. It's just done by the MirahezeBots team. You can see some examples of specific wiki RC feeds at and . Dmehus (talk) 23:38, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * What Doug said, if you let us know what channel and what wikis then we can set it up. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  12:59, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * You could just use the atom/rss version of your recent changes feed and setup a RSS reader on your phone to notify you of any non-own edits to your wiki. I don't think recent changes filters apply to RSS, but you can use a service like https://siftrss.com/ to exclude your own edits. This way, no commitment to maintain new infrastructure is required from the Miraheze team and you can monitors it from as many devices as you want. Here, this one should do the trick: https://siftrss.com/f/lN79WmRnAJW It shows all recent changes on your wiki except by user Altilunium.

Welcoming bot
Hello! Are you interested on a welcoming bot? Angelo Pisani (talk) 16:15, 26 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Angelo Pisani For Meta Wiki, or is this a general invitation to set one up on other wikis? If the former, I'm going to say definitely not, unfortunately, mainly because spam only accounts, LTA sockpuppet accounts, and throwaway vandalism only accounts are created automatically on Meta Wiki by the CentralAuth extension, so that would just add a huge amount of unneeded clutter, unfortunately. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 18:55, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Namespace numbers differ between import-ready XML and destination wiki; will it actually work?
One problem down, another one to go. (Original MW filing has received no replies yet, so I'm taking it over to here.)

Early this morning, the namespace system on my just-relaunched creative-venture wiki began anew with specs for "Documentation", assigned the number of 3000. On the old ByetHost site last October, I had namespace-allocation trouble that began with "Documentation", set as "050", falling back to "40"--and that's what I ended up with in the backup XML. Towards the end of our short-lived trial, I managed to fix things up under the intended "50"--but the damage had been done, lessons were learned, and the experiment faded away some time afterward.

Before I resume my import campaign, will the old doc pages still work with the new number regardless? As per usual, I am ensuring nothing goes wrong before I can move on with the rest of my setup. --Routhwick (talk) 03:00, 27 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I've personally imported pages that have had different namespace ids on their original wiki onto Miraheze without a hitch. It shouldn't affect it at all. Agent Isai (talk) 03:23, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, echoing what Agent Isai said, I believe what matters, really, is the namespace names, not the ID numbers. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 03:54, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Turned on Preloader for my wiki--but how to configure or use it?
Because I'm not seeing any settings/pages for it, on ManageWiki or otherwise. (Problem #3 for this Miraheze newcomer, who successfully tested it with on his site's ByetHost precursor.)

Although Preloader is listed among the optional extensions, the only other reference to it on Meta is from back in January 2016, at Request features/Archive 3--and it's not even there at the subdomain referred to. --Routhwick (talk) 07:15, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Adding Reception Wikis as a wiki category
I think that “Reception Wiki” should be added as one of the wiki categories since Reception Wikis are extremely prevalent and common on Miraheze to the point where they have almost become synonymous with each other. Currently, the reception wikis are scattered throughout categories, though most of them are uncategorized. Also, there is a category called “Song Contest” which is probably exactly as it entails. The Reception Wikis are also the most active Miraheze wikis, so I think that they should be a separate category. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 18:12, 5 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I agree if the present system doesn't already classify them in a manner that makes identification more efficient. I would be curious to know just how many wikis are of this nature on Miraheze. SchizoidNightmares (talk) 20:38, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late reply but the majority of the wikis in my CentralAuth are reception wikis. Many of them are abandoned and a lot of them are closed for inactivity. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 22:16, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * ❌ for the time being. —Bu kk it 21:23, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Double CountDownClock in a single page?
Is this possible to have 2 parser function on an single page?

And if that so, how could I do the other one while the second one I placed disappear on the saved page? Song Ngư MGR (talk) 16:48, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

A question about private wikis
How do I make my wiki private but still readable by anyone. I know that most private wikis are not readable by anyone, but somehow Horrible TV Show Episodes Wiki and Marvelous TV Show Episodes Wiki are still readable despite being private. How would I make a wiki private but still readable, since I plan on making my wikis private so that they can't be adopted, but I still want people to be able to read them. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 18:54, 27 June 2021 (UTC)


 * So, those wikis are not readable by anyone. They're only readable by users in either the  or   local user groups (and stewards, Trust and Safety, and system administrators, of course). So, you basically make your wiki private, but then manually add users to either of the two groups using Special:UserRights on your wiki. You can even use Special:ManageWiki/settings to whitelist a Request access page on your wiki. Hope that helps. Note, though, that private wikis can be adopted by users in the   or   group, provided they were in those groups prior to the wiki being inactive and later closed per Dormancy Policy. Why are you trying to preclude users from adopting your wiki on a community-run, locally-controlled wiki farm, though? It seems counter to the very ethos of Miraheze, if you ask me. :) Dmehus (talk) 18:59, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Well the thing is I want to keep my wikis. Even though I would like people to contribute, I do not want people to think I don’t care about my wikis because I do care about them, I just want to keep my adminship. I also want to prevent my wikis from falling into the wrong hands. It seems like nobody wants to contribute to my wikis anyway. I have other things to do than constantly be updating my wikis all the time. I really wish there were no restrictions on dormancy policy exemption. The problem is that if I abandon my wikis, they end up getting closed. And if someone adopts them, then they are no longer my wikis. And if they fall into the wrong hands it could be disastrous. Also, there really isn't any point in sysops adopting a wiki if they already have sysop privileges. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 19:05, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, you can establish rules on your wiki governing how users are desysopped. If the removals are later done in contravention of those rules, the rights can, and have, in the past, been re-added by Stewards. Dmehus (talk) 19:08, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok. I do already have a sitenotice on two of the three wikis saying that the wikis are not up for adoption since I will most likely continue to work on them at some point. Right now though I have to help out with the rest of the Qualitipedia rebrand and also my idea about neutral Qualitipedia wikis which I posted on the talk page of Greatest Movies Wiki, which can be done after the current phase of the rebrand (redesigning the main pages of Delightful Music & Songs Wiki and Magnificent Literature Wiki, adopting Horrible Music & Songs Wiki and redesigning that wiki, and renaming the URLs of Terrible Shows & Episodes Wiki, Best Shows & Episodes Wiki, Incredible Characters Wiki, Dreadful Literature Wiki, and Magnificent Literature wiki so that their URLs match their proper names). So there is a lot of work to be done. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 20:49, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Horrible/Marvelous TV Show Episodes Wikis can be read despite being private, because I set it so that registered users can read it. It is impossible to change unregistered users' read permissions on a private wiki. —Mario Mario 456 18:45, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Kawipedia
Hello, can anyone help me fix this page on my wiki, kawipedia. Mazzaz (talk) 16:04, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I need to change the content model then only it works. ~ Mazzaz (talk) 03:17, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Could you elaborate on your request to make sure we understood everything? Thank you! Agent Isai (talk) 06:10, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , css pages like this and others appear as they are simple wikitext pages which they shouldn't. I need to change the content model of every css page into sanitized css then only they work. ~ Mazzaz (talk) 06:56, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Personally, I've had success in copying the contents of a page that's incorrectly formatted as wikitext, deleting the page, and recreating the page and pasting the text back to the article. After doing so, CodeEditor is typically triggered and it santizies the CSS. I know that you can manually trigger CodeEditor into sanitizing the CSS but frankly, I haven't been able to, so that's my little anecdote. Agent Isai (talk) 14:58, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I often see that admins import templates from commons or other wikis without understanding what they are doing, honestly, I don't either. I see in the template's error messages several missing extensions, greetings --LilyLilyu - smile.svg talk and I will listen · Lilypond Wiki 06:50, 29 June 2021 (UTC)