Meta:Requests for permissions

Zcook1052 (Administrator)

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 * Closing per User close policy. Zcook1052, you are encouraged to contribute more to Miraheze Meta before requesting permissions. Administrator is a very very big responsibility and before many get here, administrators at one point were first autopatrolled, then patrollers, translation administrators, rollbackers, and helped the community out in many ways. If you want to help the community, check out Contributing and in the future, perhaps you'll reach administrator and higher. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 16:57, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Group: Administrator Reason: I would like to help Miraheze and help users here on Meta, I can handle a converation with users in English.

Discussion
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.


 * 1) While you have a decent amount of contributions, I would say to keep contributing for a bit as you haven't been as active on meta recently. ZeusDeeGoose (talk) 20:15, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * 2) Same opinion.Maybe,you don't have making edits to become administrator here. by Buel ·Talk·Wikimail 00:00, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * 3)   You are inactive and only have about 63 edits. I recommend going back to edit more and help users on noticeboards, and then redo the request as it has made good edits. Greetings. —  Pixial  [Talk] 13:31, 10 August 2022 (UTC)


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Matttest (Wiki creator) (2)

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 * As per the opposes’ concern, but especially ‘s argument. The concerns raised in the discussions are reasonable and thoughtful. I’ll admit that it’s too quick (only half a month) to start another RfP when my previous request have been rejected by the community, and yet the unbooks’ dispute is not fully resolved. The controversy of impersonation on testwiki.wiki, which is pointed out by, is also affecting the trust to me. Based on all these above, I am withdrawing this request, though I will not be leaving miraheze/retiring, but rather putting my effort into resolving the unbooks’ dispute with stewards assistance, and engaging more in different local wiki communities before re-applying, in no sooner than 2-3 months. For the opposes to this request, I’ll sincerely ask for you to re-consider your vote when I apply for WC next time, into giving a second chance for me to volunteer as a wiki creator. Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 08:15, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Group: Wiki creator Reason: Greetings, I am Matttest. I am requesting the wiki creator right as the same rationale as last time, when the request was withdrawn because some users stated that (i) when processing with requests, my decision may be affected by the previous disputes (specifically the unbooks’ dispute) I am involved in; (ii) wiki creator needs to adhere code of conduct at a high level, in which I am not quite yet towards the community standard and expectations. I believe the situation have changed - I have been fairly active as a volunteer at the noticeboards, and I have been more calm, no matter during discussions or helping users as of the time being. -Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 09:39, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Questions for candidate

 * 1) Re-attempt of ’s fourth question for my last request: “A wiki request has been put in as “greatmovies.miraheze.org” and with the description “A wiki about great movies.” So you accept, decline, or hold the request for elaboration?”
 * It depends, but most likely I will accept the request with an “okay request” message. I may decline the request if the user who requests the wiki is previously involved in disputes which have not yet been resolved on similar wikis, particularly the Greatest Movies Wiki. -Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 09:43, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Discussion
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.


 * 1) Per recent events. --  Bukkit  [ cetacean needed ] 20:33, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @: While I respect your opinion, the rationale in the vote is quite vague. If you mean the unbooks' dispute to be the "recent event", then I would like to point out that the dispute have already been resting starting from May 2022, at the time when I had been engaging more in Meta-Wiki. Just as I pointed out - I believe the situation have changed. If you mean the "recent event" to be other incidents, I would like a clarification for me (to respond) as well as the community to decide what to vote. Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 01:45, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that was extremely vague. What I meant was the testwiki.wiki incident in which you (assuming so) created impersonation-only accounts. I won't get too in-depth but this makes me not have as much trust compared to the prior WC request. -- Cheers, Bukkit(Public) ( Talk • Contribs ) 02:51, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * (TL;DR: I believe assumes makes not much weight when explaining the vote.)
 * Thanks for the clarification. I have already be knowing this incident for some time, but I wasn't supposed to make my statement regarding this. I believe this is something outside the miraheze platform (it is neither a software that is related to miraheze, i.e. phabricator), so (i) the only similar thing between me and that account is the username (no other signs show that I am that account), which can be easily created by another user; that's why it makes no sense to point this against me; (ii) it won't affect my position as a wiki creator on miraheze. Though, since you comment on it, I think I will make my statement here. The account blocked is not Matttest here on miraheze. The impersonarion should also not be a surprise, especially when I am involved in some conflicts in miraheze. Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 05:42, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Would you, then, consent to Miraheze Stewards contacting TestWiki Stewards and requesting they share CheckUser information so that we can compare it with our own CheckUser results? Agent Isai  Talk to me! 02:52, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * It is true that Matttest was recently involved in impersonation on TestWiki.wiki (non-miraheze). This is per CU evidence, plus the first time their account was blocked (this had been done incorrectly), they came on IRC requesting to be unblocked. They were cloaked and logged into the account that according to their user-page here is them. This would suggest that the accounts across both wikis are both operated by the same person. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 16:28, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Please get in depth. Impersonation is a serious accusation that deserves maximum spotlight if as recent as indicated. --Raidarr (talk) 10:58, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll DM all the details on Discord. -- Bukkit  [ cetacean needed ] 20:02, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I did some snooping and the conversation here https://fortestwiki.myht.org/index.php/User_talk:ApexAgunomu#Regarding_your_PM_on_IRC might also shed some light on the situation.
 * Now he(Matttest) has autopartrolled rights.It means users don't have to partroll edits he made. by Buel ·Talk·Wikimail 08:13, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * He is not native speaker of English,but he can do many things via advaned level of English. by Buel ·Talk·Wikimail 08:39, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) I'm sure he has lots of knowledge more than various users.He'll make nice edits if he become wiki creator. by Buel ·Talk·Wikimail 23:01, 21 August 2022 (UTC) fix. by Buel ·Talk·Wikimail 23:02, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I may appreciate that the phrase "nice edits" may be a mistranslation but I would suggest that edits have nothing to do with wiki creation and "a lot of knowledge" appears to be a very vague appreciation and ultimately what mostly matters for wiki creators is knowledge of the Content Policy and for the candidate to be able to make determinations as to if a wiki will potentially violate the Content Policy. --DeeM28 (talk) 14:34, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Not misstranslation.I believe he is a man of sober judgment.Actually did he have a problem?I don't thnk so. by Buel ·Talk·Wikimail 23:50, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * 1)  per Bukkit
 * 2)  Per Buel. AlPaD (talk) 07:41, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * 3)  This request is being made only one month and a half approximately after the initial one was that was rejected by the community. I am not satisfied that the controversial situation has changed since the initial request and am additionally concerned about the additional controversy indicated in the above discussions. These issues make me unable to support such a request as I am not able to trust the candidate enough based on the above. --DeeM28 (talk) 14:34, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Besides opposing, to you as a voter, are there any suggestions for me to apply for wiki creator? I believe I have already demonstrated understanding of the Content Policy and have been volunteering a lot across the miraheze platform. To me, I am deeply frustrated when my request is being opposed numerous times just because of the controversy brought out (and the previous one because of the CoC issue when I am involved in conflict). I think being a wiki creator can gain the community's trust that I have the competency to volunteer out, and as a stepping stone if in the future I can volunteer out in a higher position. Cheers, Matttest (talk | contribs) 02:24, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * 1)  --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 14:38, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * 2)  ZeusDeeGoose (talk) 23:50, 24 August 2022 (UTC)


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Iiiiiiii (Wiki creator)

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 * Closing under the User close policy. (user rights) Request was made too early, considering their account was created the same day as this request. ZeusDeeGoose (talk) 13:27, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Group: Wiki creator Reason: I want to serve about creating wikis.

Discussion
Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.


 * 1) I'm sure this user has no experience on miraheze. by Buel ·Talk·Wikimail 04:21, 1 October 2022 (UTC)


 * 1) I don't have enough experience with meta yet. -- 1108-Kiju /▶talk  07:04, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
 * 2)  No experience.
 * 3) per above ZeusDeeGoose (talk) 11:55, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
 * 4) Per above. --LisafBia (talk) 11:57, 1 October 2022 (UTC)


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Buel (Wiki creator)

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 * Closing per User close policy due to over 3 opposes and no supports. This user, while very helpful, is thought to be not ready yet for this role. Buel is encouraged to reach out to current wiki creators for help and potential mentorship's and should not be discouraged from reapplying for wiki creator in a few months once they've learned more about the ins and outs of the position. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 04:54, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Group: Wiki creator Reason: Now,Japanese users who has permmision(other than autopatrolled) are only 3 users.(includes me)The Pioneer,and Shwarz.but they are inactive on meta. so I think I'd like to help Japanese users. by Buel ·Talk·Wikimail 12:49, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Questions for candidate
What would you do for the following wiki requests?
 * 1) Public wiki named "Bad Celebrities Wiki" - Description "A wiki that discusses bad celebrities."
 * 2) Private wiki named "Super Happy Tree Wiki" - Description "I want to make a wiki for me and my friends"
 * 3) Public wiki named "The Legendary Witch Wiki" - Description "Recently, due to Fandom's policy changes, I would like to move my wiki here. This wiki will discuss legendary witches."
 * 4) Public wiki named "Tropes Wiki" - Description "A wiki for all tropes in media. Tropes Wiki will cover tropes in several pieces of media, which is included but not limited to games, films, literature, and TV shows."
 * 5) Public wiki named "Humor Wiki" - Description "A wiki for jokes. It will describe every singe joke in detail and their punchlines, alongside comedians. It will also cover comedy films and books as well."

ZeusDeeGoose (talk) 13:52, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
 * About 1 I'd decline.Description is too few.
 * About 2 Probably I'd decline.same as answer 2.
 * About 3 I'd apporove.Actually there are wiki imported from fandom and so on.
 * About 4 I'd apporove.I think description is enough.
 * About 5 I'd decline.In fact,most of movies are protected by copyright. by Buel ·Talk·Wikimail 02:39, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Discussion
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 * 1) Oppose. I don't usually comment on RfPs but I find these answers alarming and am not sure if the candidate has even read the pages for content policy and the expectations for wiki creators Naleksuh (talk) 04:05, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * 2)  I agree with Naleksuh here, all the the answers given are very alarming for a wiki creator. While you may have been right about declining some of them, it would have been for very different reasons. Universal Omega (talk) 04:25, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * 3)  per UO
 * 4)  Failed all scenarios as far as I'm concerned. While the surface level "yes/no" may sometimes be incidentally correct, these answers lack nuance.  dross  (t • c • g) 04:49, 2 October 2022 (UTC)


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HeyTürkiye (Wiki creator) (2)
Group: Wiki creator Reason: Wiki requests can accumulate throughout our private lives. I want to serve the miraheze community without waiting for wiki requests. I actively provide roles in communities and wikis, even if my editing is minimal, I think I will remove this responsibility. Appreciation in our community.  Hey Türkiye  message? 09:04, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Questions for candidate

 * Public wiki named "Bad Celebrities Wiki" - Description "A wiki that discusses bad celebrities."
 * I would like him to explain in detail the purpose of the wiki, the subject and scope of the wiki, as the explanation is very inadequate.  Hey Türkiye  message? 09:26, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * This is partially correct. This would be declined for violation of the Content Policy, specifically this line:
 * "Miraheze does not host wikis with the sole purpose to spread unsubstantiated insult, hate or rumours against a person or group of people" ZeusDeeGoose (talk) 12:45, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @ZeusDeeGoose I partially agree with your correctness, as the English language is a language that takes some courage to understand.  Hey Türkiye  message? 12:49, 2 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Private wiki named "Super Happy Tree Wiki" - Description "I want to make a wiki for me and my friends"
 * Creating wikis with friends is wrong. Miraheze's purpose is to host information on the wiki farm. Since Miraheze is not a forum-style wiki, I would most likely reject it.  Hey Türkiye  message? 09:26, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * This is incorrect, Miraheze often approves personal and core friend group projects although the description as to what it entails is lacking and it would be reasonable to ask for more. The 'forum style' and social focus prohibition is Fandom's stipulation, not Miraheze. But as long as the discussion material is compliant (you'll notice Content Policy doesn't even touch on this subject anyway), even a wiki with a social focus should be fine. --Raidarr (talk) 12:14, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I think personal wikis will be a huge burden for Miraheze, our goal is for everyone to have at least 1 wiki here. Thanks for your response  Hey Türkiye  message? 12:33, 2 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Public wiki named "The Legendary Witch Wiki" - Description "Recently, due to Fandom's policy changes, I would like to move my wiki here. This wiki will discuss legendary witches."
 * It's nice that he moved his wiki from Fandom to Miraheze, but I would say that the scope of the wiki is insufficient, I would refuse.  Hey Türkiye  message? 09:26, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * What would make this scope sufficient at a minimum, and how would it help your assessment of the wiki following Content Policy properly or not? --Raidarr (talk) 12:15, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * What makes Scope sufficient is what the Wiki contains, for example the purpose of the X wiki is to create Brawl stars articles. But if that X article goes out of its purpose, then it is not possible to approve that wiki in my opinion dear @Raidarr, best regards  Hey Türkiye  message? 12:54, 2 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Public wiki named "Tropes Wiki" - Description "A wiki for all tropes in media. Tropes Wiki will cover tropes in several pieces of media, which is included but not limited to games, films, literature, and TV shows."
 * The scope of this wiki is sufficient. I would approve of his wiki, provided it complies with its content policy.  Hey Türkiye  message? 09:26, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * This is somewhat tricky and you are not expected to know all wikis on the platform, but it would be highly beneficial to know what wikis are present and at least at the top of platform traffic. In this case AllTheTropes is a very large wiki for the platform covering everything described and so would be considered a fork and at least a direct competitor, which is a problem. For this reason it cannot be accepted and the user should be directed to the wiki doing exactly what they describe. --Raidarr (talk) 12:17, 2 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Public wiki named "Humor Wiki" - Description "A wiki for jokes. It will describe every singe joke in detail and their punchlines, alongside comedians. It will also cover comedy films and books as well."


 * The scope of this wiki is sufficient. I would approve of his wiki, provided it complies with its content policy.  Hey Türkiye  message? 09:26, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Discussion
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 * 1) This candidate's strength is probably being multilingual, I think it might help to know what the other languages are. That said, native English understanding does not strike me as this candidate's strong suit, which could result in communication issues since all core volunteers and most requests are English based. More difficultly, this candidate has little operational experience or background understanding with the allowances and stipulations of requests. It would be helpful to work with an active wiki creator/core volunteer to develop this understanding since understanding 'the lay of the land' is critical along with good judgement based on the Content Policy. I abstain, but the issues mean I could not support at this time if pushed to a clear vote. --Raidarr (talk) 12:21, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Raidarr Thank you raidarr for your abstention, glad to hear that from an experienced steward. I can say that my mother tongue is not English, but Turkish. Of course, this experience is a bit too necessary for the wiki creator, I'm aware of that. but it still helps me if you tell me your thoughts. Kind regards  Hey Türkiye  message? 12:26, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah no prob, and I think with time you could get the necessary background. Not being correct initially is not a breaker, it's largely about attitude and growth. Turkish is unfortunately a very limited use language here (I think I've seen no more than two in my time) but having that and growing your English can still result in strength. I'd give similar advice to Buel who I missed above, and for anyone else with similar circumstances thinking about it. You can get a lot just from watching the request queue when processed (right now the key people aren't at their best unfortunately), and noting the exceptions, scruples and sometimes inconsistency that happens. And of course, you can get more information from someone experienced. used to offer some guides for best practices that are in extension of or cover holes with Content Policy in making decisions. --Raidarr (talk) 12:32, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Raidarr I guess now I realize that you were like me in the past. Dmehus was like me, he knew nothing. but he improved himself by taking notes. Thank you again for your words raidarr, I will continue to improve myself whether this application is negative or positive. Kind regards  Hey Türkiye  message? 12:42, 2 October 2022 (UTC)