User talk:Redmin

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Thanks,

Dmehus (talk) 19:19, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Translation administrator granted - 2020-11-13
Hi, R4356th. An administrator on Meta has granted you the  user group permission, which gives you the ability to mark updated source pages for translation and prepare additional, untranslated pages for translation, among a few other permissions related to the administration of translated pages. You should also be aware that the granting of this user group is at the discretion of Meta administrators, so different administrators will have slightly different criteria for granting. Likewise, just as it is a discretionary appointment, revocation is also at the discretion of Meta administrators and, again, each will have their own criteria for revocation.

Nevertheless, the following are some of the main guidelines for translation administrators. If you follow these guidelines completely, it is unlikely your translation administrator user group should ever be revoked.


 * Don't mark or prepare pages too quickly. Administration of translation pages is handled by a system maintenance bot, FuzzyBot, whose tasks are handled by  and  . Accordingly, it is strongly recommended that you check FuzzyBot's recent edits and log actions to see when it has completed your request. A good rule of thumb is to wait approximately 5-10 minutes between marking pages
 * Noticeboards and talk pages should never be translated. Due to the dynamically changing nature of the content on these pages, translation of these pages is undesirable, so they should never be prepared for translation. If you note that a noticeboard is proposed for translation (i.e., pages which contain translation tags but which haven't yet been marked), it's best to remove the  and   characters from the given discussion thread(s) that note the example translation syntax, to remove the noticeboard or talk page from pages proposed for translation
 * Never remove a translated page from the translation system. This is not recommended, mainly because the translation page units (in Translations: namespace) remain. Instead, if you believe a page should no longer be translated, start a new thread at Administrators' noticeboard recommending the given translated subpage(s) for deletion by an administrator. Once all the translated subpage(s) have been deleted, then a page can be removed from the translation system
 * Make use of  and   tags. The former is especially helpful with translating the displayed text of wikilinks (including interwiki wikilinks) and external links, and the latter is particularly helpful where the linked destination page is translated into languages other than English
 * Consider the utility and usefulness before preparing new pages for translation. For example, additional untranslated pages in Tech: namespace aimed at explaining to system administrators how to perform certain procedures are unlikely to ever be read in languages other than English. A best practice here is to propose new pages for translation at Administrators' noticeboard and obtain consensus there to prepare the page
 * Ignore, generally, pages in userspace proposed for translation. Often these are userspace drafts contain translation tags. You can usually just ignore these. If in doubt, you can ask at Administrators' noticeboard
 * Bookmark this help page on MediaWiki.org. Aimed specifically at translation administrators like you, it contains very useful, well written information on the Translate extension's translation administration tools

In addition, a couple of technical limitations regarding the  user group:
 * 1) You cannot mark fully protected pages that have been updated. If you see such a page that needs to be re-marked, please leave a note on the user talk page of any administrator on Meta or at Administrators' noticeboard; and,
 * 2) You cannot delete translated subpages. Again, you can recommend long outdated and unmaintained translations, as well as poor translations, for deletion by leaving a note on the user talk page of any administrator on Meta or at Administrators' noticeboard

If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to reach out. Thank you! --Dmehus (talk) 19:20, 13 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much. I have a question, should I start new threads in Administrators' noticeboard every time I want to prepare a page for translation or is my conscience enough in most cases? R4356th (talk) 20:09, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. Good question. I would say, in most cases, your common sense is a good enough. A good rule of thumb might be to stick to pages in either  or   namespaces as long as they're not categorized at Category:Noticeboards, and are not subpages of the same; for other namespaces, I would suggest asking at Administrators' noticeboard.   namespace is also a reasonable namespace in which you can use your good common sense, again provided it's not a holding category for the noticeboards. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 21:44, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. R4356th (talk) 06:52, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. Dmehus (talk) 06:54, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Removing pages from the translation system
Hi R4356th,

It's not too significant of an issue, but I did notice, in actioning your request for deletion of Template:Essay/en, the deletion was not processed by FuzzyBot. It looks like you removed Template:Essay from the translation system. So, I just wanted to remind you of the best practice, which Meta Wiki follows, of instead posting a note somewhere for an administrator to delete any translated subpages. Once FuzzyBot has completed the deletion, then the page should be removed from the translation system.

Thanks again, and thanks for all of your translation work on this wiki. :)

Cheers,

Dmehus (talk) 01:59, 18 November 2020 (UTC)


 * I am sorry about that. I did not mean to remove the page before it was deleted but I did have a reason behind it; the template's formatting got messed up as a result of adding the translate tags and this seemed like something that had to be rollbacked fast. I apologise again for the inconvenience. R4356th (talk) 08:54, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. In this case, as I say, it wasn't too much of a big deal, as there weren't too many translation units for me to manually delete. In the future, when considering translating a template like Template:Essay, I might suggest duplicating it at Template:Essay/sandbox, then preparing Template:Essay/sandbox for translation. That way, when the template sandbox is no longer required if it didn't work out, you can simply swap the transclusion back to Template:Essay, and request deletion of Template:Essay/sandbox. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 15:44, 18 November 2020 (UTC)