Requests for Comment/Meta administrator and bureaucrat policies

 NOTE: This Request for Comment is a local RfC and only affects Meta 

As John pointed out here, we currently don't have a policy for administrators and bureaucrats here on Meta, so I think it is time that we make one, since right now everything is based on discretion. As always, please feel free to add proposals if you disagree with all the current ones. Reception123 (talk) ('C' ) 05:11, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Proposal 1

 * Meta administrators are users who have been granted the technical ability to perform certain actions on Meta (some of which include deleting/undeleting pages, protecting/unprotecting pages and blocking/unblocking users). Their role is mainly to help Meta users and the community, as well as to maintain Meta and protect it from vandalism and make sure that local policies are respected.

a) Support

 * 1)  Makes sense to have it like this. Reception123  (talk) ('C' ) 05:22, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * 2)  Yup, Meta admins generally focus duties are keep the local project clean from the vandals and spammers. SA 13 Bro (talk) 07:23, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * 3)  I would actually suggest that the page at Wikipedia be directly copy-pasted into our Administrators page and add our attribution note, because some people have accounts on Wikipedia or on the WMF, like SA 13 Bro and -revi. Fung</b> ster  (contribs - email - CA) 13:27, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Proposal 1

 * Meta administrators will be appointed by agreement of current bureaucrats after the community have been given time to share their views on prospective candidates. This will mean existing bureaucrats have the final say on future administrators.

b) Oppose

 * 1)  This does not make sense. Administrators are elected by the community and although bureaucrats can comment on the candidates, mostly stewards will handle the requests, according to the support ratio and NOT the arguments. Fung</b> ster  (contribs - email - CA) 13:30, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Proposal 2

 * Meta administrators will be elected by a community vote where:


 * at least 10 users share their view;
 * there is a support ratio of at least 80%.

b) Oppose

 * 1)  That would eventually lead to mass messages and editing problems to MediaWiki:Sitenotice and MediaWiki:Sitenotice-id. Fung</b> ster  (contribs - email - CA) 13:31, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Proposal 3

 * Meta administrators will be elected by a community vote where:


 * at least 10 users share their view;
 * there is a support ratio of at least 70%.

b) Oppose

 * 1)  That would eventually lead to mass messages and editing problems to MediaWiki:Sitenotice and MediaWiki:Sitenotice-id. Fung</b> ster  (contribs - email - CA) 13:33, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Proposal 4

 * Meta administrators will be elected by a community vote where:


 * at least 5 users share their view;
 * there is a support ratio of at least 80%.

a) Support

 * 1)  This may be a low standard, but there are few users on Meta who currently comment on Requests for permissions, so for the time being, I think a minimum of 5 makes the most sense due to the small community. Reception123  (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 05:22, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * That's why the draft failed on Wikipedia, and that's why so less people come here. Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 13:36, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * 1)  This makes sense. Fung</b> ster  (contribs - email - CA) 13:36, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

d) Comments
I am not sure about the situation, what was Pioneer has elected as an local admins are slightly less than 5 users. Hence, this may let others to discretion in community. S</b>A</b> 1</b>3</b> B</b>r</b>o</b> (talk) 08:01, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Proposal 5

 * Meta administrators will be elected by a community vote where:


 * at least 5 users share their view;
 * there is a support ratio of at least 70%.

c) Abstain

 * 1)  only if the proposal above does not pass. Fung</b> ster  (contribs - email - CA) 13:34, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Removal of rights
(Note: There can be multiple ways to revoke, so the proposals are not all mutually exclusive and can work together)

Proposal 1 (Revocation)

 * The Meta community can initiate a vote of no confidence or a request of removal at any time. In order for it to pass it needs to:


 * receive at least the minimum number of votes needed for appointing;
 * have 50% or more support for removal of rights

a) Support

 * 1)  If more than half of the community does not support an administrators actions, they should be probably be removed. Reception123  (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 05:22, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * 2)  S</b>A</b><b style="color:gold"> 1</b><b style="color:green">3</b><b style="color:blue"> B</b><b style="color:indigo">r</b><b style="color:violet">o</b> (talk) 08:03, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Proposal 2 (Revocation)

 * The Meta community can initiate a vote of no confidence or a request of removal at any time. In order for it to pass it needs to:


 * receive at least the minimum number of votes needed for appointing;
 * have 75% or more support for removal of rights

Proposal 3 (Revocation)

 * A vote of no confidence or request for removal must include a reason for why users are requesting the removal of an administrator, and it is not determined solely by the number of votes.

a) Support

 * 1)  There should always be valid arguments and reasons for a removal. Reception123  (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 05:22, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * 2)  Of course, there should be always have the proper of valid reasons to procedure the removal action, due to no confidence. <b style="color:red">S</b><b style="color:orange">A</b><b style="color:gold"> 1</b><b style="color:green">3</b><b style="color:blue"> B</b><b style="color:indigo">r</b><b style="color:violet">o</b> (talk) 08:12, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Proposal 4 (Inactivity)

 * Meta administrators who do not participate in the community in some form (responding to questions, dealing with issues, administrative tasks on Meta as a minimum) for 1 year will be deemed inactive and have their administrator rights revoked by a bureaucrat.

Proposal 5 (Inactivity)

 * Meta administrators who do not participate in the community in some form (responding to questions, dealing with issues, administrative tasks on Meta as a minimum) for 6 months will be deemed inactive and have their administrator rights revoked by a bureaucrat.

a) Support

 * 1)  I don't think it's asking a lot to have users who have been voted by the community as administrators to comment on a few things and such, and if they don't, they are clearly inactive, and can always be voted again if they are once again active. Reception123  (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 05:22, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * 2)  6 months are the ideal proposal mentioned at AN, as here didn't appear very active vandals and spammers like Wikipedia, 1 year of proposal maybe too long. <b style="color:red">S</b><b style="color:orange">A</b><b style="color:gold"> 1</b><b style="color:green">3</b><b style="color:blue"> B</b><b style="color:indigo">r</b><b style="color:violet">o</b> (talk) 09:21, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Proposal 6 (Readdition)

 * Once a Meta administrator has their rights revoked for any reason, they must make a successful request satisfy the agreed criteria above in order to regain the rights.

a) Support

 * 1)  per my comment on the section above. Reception123  (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 05:22, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Proposal 7 (Readdition)

 * An administrator can be given the rights back if there are no issues raised by the community in a period of 24 hours and if they were not previously revoked per a vote of no confidence.

c) Abstain

 * only if the proposal above does not pass than this one will probably pass <b style="color:blue">Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 13:17, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Proposal 1

 * Meta bureaucrats are users who can manage permissions such as bot, administrator and other bureaucrats. Their role on Meta is limited to the assigning of the rights listed above (by community consensus or vote to be determined above in the RfC). Eventually, they may also resolve disputes between Meta administrators.

a) Support

 * 1)  I see no current other possible scope for bureaucrats at this time. Reception123  (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 05:22, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Proposal 2
(Note: This proposal is not mutually exclusive)
 * A bureaucrat may not be appointed or voted on unless they are already a Meta administrator.

a) Support

 * 1)  There is no need to have a bureaucrat who is not also an administrator in my opinion, since they have very limited tasks anyway. Reception123  (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 05:22, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * 2)  Only experienced admins have the eligible way to appoint their bureaucratship. <b style="color:red">S</b><b style="color:orange">A</b><b style="color:gold"> 1</b><b style="color:green">3</b><b style="color:blue"> B</b><b style="color:indigo">r</b><b style="color:violet">o</b> (talk) 09:43, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Proposal 1

 * Meta bureaucrats will be appointed by agreement of current bureaucrats after the community have been given time to share their views on prospective candidates. This will mean existing bureaucrats have the final say on future bureaucrats.

Proposal 2

 * Meta bureaucrats will be elected by a community vote where:


 * at least 5 users share their view;
 * there is a support ratio of at least 80%.

a) Support

 * 1)  same as above for administrators, the community here is not large enough to require 10 users currently. Reception123  (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 05:22, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Proposal 3

 * Meta bureaucrats will be elected by a community vote where:


 * at least 10 users share their view;
 * there is a support ratio of at least 70%.

Proposal 4

 * Meta bureaucrats will be elected by a community vote where:


 * at least 10 users share their view;
 * there is a support ratio of at least 80%.

Proposal 5

 * Meta bureaucrats will be elected by a community vote where:


 * at least 5 users share their view;
 * there is a support ratio of at least 70%.

Proposal 6

 * Meta bureaucrats will be elected by a community vote where:


 * at least 15 users share their view;
 * there is a support ratio of at least 70%.

Removal of rights
(Note: There can be multiple ways to revoke, so proposals are not mutually exclusive and can work together)

Proposal 1 (Revocation)

 * The Meta community can initiate a vote of no confidence or a request of removal at any time. In order for it to pass it needs to:


 * receives at least the minimum number of votes needed for appointing;
 * have 50% or more support for removal of rights

a) Support

 * 1)  same reason as for administrators. Reception123  (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 05:22, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Proposal 2 (Revocation)

 * The Meta community can initiate a vote of no confidence or a request of removal at any time. In order for it to pass it needs to:


 * receives at least the minimum number of votes needed for appointing;
 * have 75% or more support for removal of rights

Proposal 3 (Revocation)

 * A vote of no confidence or request for removal must include a reason for why users are requesting that a Bureaucrat be removed, and is not determined solely by the number of votes.

a) Support

 * 1)  same reason as for administrators. Reception123  (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 05:22, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Proposal 4 (Inactivity)

 * Meta bureaucrats who do not participate in the community in some form (responding to questions, dealing with issues, administrative tasks on Meta as a minimum) for 1 year will be deemed inactive and have their administrator rights revoked by a bureaucrat. (NOTE: If Proposal 2 from "Scope" passes, this will not matter since they would lose their bureaucrat rights as the same time as their administrator rights)

Proposal 5 (Inactivity)

 * Meta administrators who do not participate in the community in some form (responding to questions, dealing with issues, administrative tasks on Meta as a minimum) for 6 months will be deemed inactive and have their administrator rights revoked by a bureaucrat. (NOTE: If Proposal 2 from "Scope" passes, this will not matter since they would lose their bureaucrat rights as the same time as their administrator rights)

a) Support

 * 1)  same reason as for administrators. Reception123  (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 05:22, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Proposal 6 (Readdition)

 * Once a Meta bureaucrat has their rights revoked for any reason, they must make a successful request satisfy the agreed criteria above in order to regain the rights.

a) Support

 * 1)  same reason as for administrators. Reception123  (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 05:22, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Proposal 7 (Readdition)

 * A bureaucrat can be given the rights back if there are no issues raised by the community in a period of 24 hours and if they were not previously revoked per a vote of no confidence.

a) Support

 * 1)  same reason as for administrators. Reception123  (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 05:22, 17 June 2019 (UTC)