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Accounts being created automatically
Hi, on my wiki it shows that the following accounts were created automatically in my User creation log:

01:50, 11 September 2020 User account InternetArchiveBot talk contribs block was created automatically 00:07, 6 September 2020 User account RedTheShadowWarrior73 talk contribs block was created automatically 01:23, 1 September 2020 User account Pppery talk contribs block was created automatically 01:15, 1 September 2020 User account MusikAnimal talk contribs block was created automatically

I'm unsure what this is (e.x. spam) since neither me nor any other editors I've invited to my Wiki are using these accounts, thanks.--Callipedia (talk) 18:37, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * This is part of the Miraheze wiki configuration, and, unfortunately, cannot be changed. If a user is signed in on another Miraheze wiki when they visit your wiki, they are automatically signed in to your wiki by attaching their accounts upon visiting your wiki. Also, if you import templates from other wikis and choose to assign contributions to local Miraheze users, their accounts will be attached in that event, which looks like it may be the case given three of those users are local Miraheze users who contribute to Wikimedia wikis rather extensively. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 18:41, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks--Callipedia (talk) 21:00, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem. :) Dmehus (talk) 21:07, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Can this be undeleted?
There was a talk page for a user. but they deleted it after Flow was added, I tried getting the old version back for proof that a user wanted to close the wiki but no matter what I did it did not work, I even tried renaming the page but that did not work, the page I'm trying to bring back can be found on the latest contribution of the user who made the message, their contributor's page can be found [here]. the edit says "Pages:New Section" and has "(+306)" on it, whenever I click diff it just brings me to the page that replaced the one I'm trying to bring back. and when I click hist it shows me the history of the page that replaced the page I was trying to bring back, and it does not show any edits of the deleted page. Can you please Undelete it? ScratchCoder (talk) 15:29, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not familiar, personally, with the SocialProfile extension, but I'm not seeing any evidence that this has been oversighted, so I have procedurally moved your discussion from this discussion on stewards' noticeboard to here, where it is now more in scope, and someone may be able to help you. Looking through all those contributions, I just see empty social profile pages, so if a user has removed their information from their profile, they have that right to do so. So, I'm honestly and personally not sure this requires further investigation, to be honest. In addition, I saw no mention of the page(s) referenced on that linked "contributions" page for that user, so I can't really assist you, but in all honesty, I don't see the point—if a wiki is inactive, it will be deleted per Dormancy Policy eventually. Hope this helps. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 18:27, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't know why you could not see the edit on the talk page, but I decided to delete the current talk page and I was able to find the page I was trying to get back (but the page is still deleted.) here ScratchCoder (talk) 19:32, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * That's because non-administrators cannot see deleted revisions. It sounds like a talk page was previously deleted and subsequently recreated over top of the existing one. You could've alternatively restored the deleted revisions in "view history." Either approach works, though. Dmehus (talk) 20:19, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Just search User talk:WickyHoney/old AppleCrunchy (talk) 19:11, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

What is interwiki
I hear you need to request interwiki admin rights from a steward, but I don't know what Interwiki is, and why does a steward need to assign it to you AppleCrunchy (talk) 19:13, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this question, and for providing me the opportunity to answer it for you. Essentially, there is an interwiki table that is global and which applies to all wikis. Currently, it exists here on Meta, at Special:Interwiki. In addition, there is a local interwiki table on the same special page on customer wikis, which allows for specific websites and prefixes to be added to that customer's wiki. We do have interwiki administrators who can add links, upon request, to any wiki's local interwiki table (usually by way of a request here on this noticeboard on Meta). If you meet the prerequisites, are active on Meta in some way, and are active on more than one wiki, you, too, can request global interwiki administrator at requests for global rights. It is also possible to organize either a local interwiki administrator election or appointment process on your local wiki(s). The current requirement is that you must hold  rights on each wiki. You should ideally link to your local policies governing your local interwiki administrator election process, if you use an election, or your appointment/selection process, if you use an appointment or selection regime. If using a local election, you would also need to specify the candidate(s) running and number of position(s) open, in addition to the duration of the election and the minimum net support ratio required for success, the latter two of those four points in your election rules. Following this local process, you simply link to both your local policies and the local election in the format   in a new request on stewards' noticeboard. The reason that this user group is only granted, locally as well as globally, by stewards is because of the potential for malicious or grossly harmful external links from being added to the interwiki table, and the fact that MediaWiki software allows interwiki hard redirects, such that users are automatically redirected to the external website without any user intervention. If you just have a couple links you want added, though, let me know, and I'd be happy to add them. Dmehus (talk) 22:51, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Template error
Hello,

I have a wiki, a Hungarian wiki. I want everything to work. But it's not so. I made the mineral infobox (Ásvány infobox). And writes this: Warning: This page calls Sablon:Ásvány infobox which causes a template loop (an infinite recursive call). But why? My wiki is here Thank you so much :) - Lois (talk) 13:31, 13 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you for providing a link to your wiki. Only, I don't have permission to even read its pages!
 * When you get that error message, it is usually telling the truth. The last person I helped with this had an example on the template of how to call it.  And, for illustration, the example called it (called itself)!  Which would call itself, which would call itself, etc.  Please look to see if you are doing this too.   16:45, 13 September 2020 (UTC)


 * This was discussed in this archive. In  another template problem, a template included itself in a category meant only for pages that called it.   16:53, 13 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Okay, I read it, I understood. I exported the infobox to my wiki. Now the error: "Script error: There is no infobox module". But why? What's not good? I don't understand... - Lois (talk) 14:02, 14 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Templates are easy, all they do is repeat themselves in any page that calls them like this, although they can also make substitutions and do simple computing. Modules are actual programs that can do more complicated computing, I've never used them.  However, as we say in FAQ, if you import something from Wikipedia, you must import the entire thing.  That's all I know.  I still don't have permission to read the template in question and point to where you are calling a module.   15:37, 14 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I have limited experience with Lua modules as well, but it sounds like you may need to import the Lua module Module:Infobox. Can you see if that's imported to your wiki? If it is, check for a configuration subpage. The configuration is usually fairly self-explanatory. Dmehus (talk) 18:12, 14 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes, I imported the Module:Infobox. But not good. Error:"Script error: the image function does not exist". What is the error? My wiki is hereI would be so happy if someone would help me :) - Lois (talk) 17:08, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

I need help adding twinkle to my wiki
I added some interface pages, but I don't see any twinkle gadgets in there. I might choose Dmehus or Universal Omega to help me if I have many issues, and I'll make them both interface admins. AppleCrunchy (talk) 18:23, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I thank you very much for the kind words and offer, and hope you won't mind, but I will likely have to ever so politely decline your most generous invitation, as installing Twinkle is a lot of work. Installing the actual gadget files is not too complicated, but you have to de-Wikipedia-ify all of the gadget code, mainly through updating the templates that it calls and your namespaces and all of that. Plus, you have to import all the templates and modules. So, in short, it's probably the most complicated gadget to install, and I would note that even Wikimedia's Meta Wiki does not have Twinkle (likely for this reason). Dmehus (talk) 18:33, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, I want a crat to implement the advanced search option, I need to search things only in the MediaWiki namespace AppleCrunchy (talk) 18:38, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by "advanced search option"...in Twinkle? Dmehus (talk) 18:51, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It's a MediaWiki extension AppleCrunchy (talk) 18:54, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay. I was misunderstanding as we were discussing the Twinkle gadget in this thread. Do we have that extension installed on Miraheze? If so, you can enable it in Special:ManageWiki/extensions on your wiki. If not, you'll need to request it using the feature request form on Phabricator and our security reviewers and system administrators will review it for both security and compatibility, among other things. You can sign in to Phabricator using the MediaWiki sign-in, and your accounts will be linked. Dmehus (talk) 20:51, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Using a different domain name as a URL
Hi, I have a custom domain name (www.callipedia.org) purchased; I wanted to know if there is a way to use it or have it redirected to my wiki on Miraheze, thanks.--Callipedia (talk) 13:26, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Please read Custom domains. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 14:06, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Not related to your custom domain request for which provided you with the informational page, but I have also made your wiki's address into a MirahezeMagic interwiki wikilink. You can link to any Miraheze customer wiki using  . It works currently on all pages, but does not yet work in log summaries and edit summaries. That is on my list of Phabricator feature requests to file. Dmehus (talk) 14:43, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks.--Callipedia (talk) 17:06, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem! :) Dmehus (talk) 17:56, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Adding a template to a large number of pages
Hi, I'd like to know if there's a way to add a template to a set of pages, instead of manually having to add it individually, thanks.--Callipedia (talk) 02:31, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Special:Nuke not working for imported pages
I noticed that the Special:Nuke feature does not work for pages imported via the Special:Import feature.

There is a thread here about this along with someone offering a fix; I was wondering if it is possible to implement this fix on Miraheze wikis, thanks. (link) --Callipedia (talk) 17:09, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe this would likely be an upstream issue that would have to be resolved in MediaWiki, so would likely require a Wikimedia Phabricator feature request. Dmehus (talk) 17:49, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Looking at the page you linked to, it seems like this is a manual patch of the Nuke extension, which can be done, but is often not done as it would require cherry-picking the code with every Wikimedia update that filters downstream to us, but I will ping to this thread to offer his opinion. In the meantime, you can file a Phabricator task on Miraheze Phabricator under the MediaWiki project and Maintenance workboard to list all the pages you require deleting. Dmehus (talk) 17:53, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I can confirm that we won't accept any modifications to Nuke other than those coming from the upstream extension. If this hack that you have linked us to works, I'd be surprised that the WMF haven't implemented it themselves. As Dmehus said, please feel free to open a task and a sysadmin will run a script to remove the pages. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 17:58, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I did that.--Callipedia (talk) 23:13, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

"429 Too Many Requests"
When I try using Miraheze on my computer I’m constantly getting the error message I stated in the title. If I manage to get past the error, the page I pulled up doesn’t fully load most of the time. Is there anything I can do to fix this? —DeciduousWater534 (talk) 22:41, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I, too, am getting these error messages, so this suggests it isn't a problem with only me or only you. I suspect there is an issue with either (a) Varnish or (b) the cache proxies (Cp1&mdash;Cp9). I will ping to this thread; he may or may not see this notification, but he would be the one that would know for certain what the issue is. Dmehus (talk) 23:06, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Just clarifying something, we don't have 9 cache proxies, only cp3, cp6, cp7 , cp9 are in the, the rest have been decommissioned and were only in use previously. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 13:30, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I thought you might say something, but yeah, I knew that, I was just listing the cache proxies (whether past or present) from the lowest numbered one to the highest numbered one. Dmehus (talk) 13:35, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Why Special:import doesnot work?
I use Special:Export to export some pages of Wikipedia, then import it in Special:import. But it does not work and notice "Expected tag, got html". Why? -开炸弹车 (talk) 12:45, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Duplicate search results for redirects?
If I start to type a few characters in the search box, if a redirect matches the title of an article and also matches the title of a redirect to that same article, it will show the target page twice as a suggestion. Daily5 (talk) 13:00, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * This is actually by design, and is one of the reasons to consider deleting redirects, particularly extraneous redirects that very closely match the actual title of an article, to allow the MediaWiki search engine to do its job more effectively by removing the duplicate title matches. It is actually the first reason for deleting redirects on English Wikipedia, as seen here. Note that there about ten reasons for potentially deleting redirects, there about as many different reasons for potentially keeping them. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 14:12, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, that makes sense. Thanks for the answer! (wow that was quick) Daily5 (talk) 06:57, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem. Dmehus (talk) 13:47, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Revocation of FireBarrier101's Wikicreator

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
 * Closed as procedural irregularity. Please provide examples of wikis created against the Content Policy to Stewards + an attempt to educate regarding the Content Policy after an inappropriate creation has taken place. John (talk) 09:24, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

I do not trust him to be able to enforce content policy when approving wiki requests (see his comments on Unfavorable Fandoms Wikis Wiki). Zppix (Meta &#124; CVT Member &#124; talk to me) 09:20, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * See also this wiki he created. https://thestarin.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page, which he created for his suspected friend, and more than likely knew the wiki would have content policy violations per this https://unfavorablefandomwikis.miraheze.org/wiki/Topic:Vu7pgdemdjfpqsb2 Zppix (Meta &#124; CVT Member &#124; talk to me) 09:25, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Support

 * 1)  as nom Zppix (Meta &#124; CVT Member &#124; talk to me) 09:20, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Abstain

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section

The Pioneer has steward rights revoked?
Hi everybody. I've came back after a long period of hiatus. On the Stewards page, it says that The Pioneer is a former steward. I nominated him for steward last year; I don't understand why his rights were revoked. I don't think that his rights was revoked due to inactivity, as he is moderately active on Meta and other wikis, nor do I believe that he has done any wrong thing. Can you give me any pages or RfCs that passes to revoke the right of a steward? That would be very much appreciated. OwenFung87 09:57, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry I have made this post, I know where the links are. But may I ask can I nominate somebody for stewardship during my sanctions of RfCs? OwenFung87 10:13, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * While a revocation request was initiated regarding The Pioneer, he resigned his rights, as he's just not active on Miraheze anymore. He's issued a statement in his resignation. As to your topic ban, I don't believe nominating someone for steward is covered by your topic ban, but you really should not be nominating someone unless you've talked to them, and received their consent to do so, first. If you have someone in mind, you can e-mail me, and I'll let you know if they might be a good fit to approach them. Dmehus (talk) 14:42, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * His only recent edits in September were so that he could resign so I do not think someone can call this "moderately active". And here you will find the policy that says a steward can be revoked by the community which is very normal. DeeM28 (talk) 07:25, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Dark Mode
Hi, I use the Dark Mode extension, but whenever I change the page, it goes back to the default. Anything I can do? Already looked up the extension page (didn't find anything there), looked up the talk page (someone already forked the extension because of this issue) and couldn't go any further. I want to make it available as a cookie (for me, but also everyone else). Appreciate any help! Godless Raven (talk) 09:40, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, since nobody answered so far, let me try phabricator instead. Godless Raven (talk) 11:33, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry for missing your post. The current DarkMode is not set up to persist on each page, though I believe there is some CSS code you can add to MediaWiki:Common.css in order to fix this. Perhaps the developer, has an idea. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 11:58, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

How to enable STL file uploads
To add to my wiki's user experience, I'm looking into adding support for 3D model viewing using the 3D extension. To use it I need to be able to upload STL files, which seems to be disabled by default. Is there a way I can enable STL file uploads on my wiki or request that the change be made? Thanks, - CoolieCoolster (talk) 14:13, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * This should be possible. I would think, since it's technical-related, this is within system administrators' purview, and you should thus file a Phabricator task to request the  file extension be enabled on your wiki. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 14:22, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

MediaWiki 1.35
The release of MediaWiki 1.35 has now been finalized. So, when can we start upgrading Miraheze wikis to MediaWiki 1.35? GTrang (talk) 19:18, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, we will work on it as soon as we can. Zppix (Meta &#124; CVT Member &#124; talk to me) 19:22, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

May we create the mirror site of mediawiki.org?
As everyone knows, users in China cannot visit some site of Wikimedia, such as zh.wikipedia.org or mediawiki.org (It works at a few time of July)

Wikipedia has lots of mirror site in China. For example the WanWeiBaiKe.

Now mediawiki.org does not work in China. And it has lots of helps about using Mediawiki, especially extensions and versions. It is important.

Then I have a thinking: may we create the mirror site of mediawiki.org like wikipedia?

Or, create some infowikis. Such as MediawikiExtensionWiki, MediawikiHelpingWiki, MediawikiVersionsWiki, and so on.

I do not have enough power .It is only throw away a brick in order to get a gem.

--开炸弹车 (talk) 03:46, 13 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Would this result in all of Miraheze becoming inaccessible in China too?  16:54, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * raises a good philosophical question. As I understand it, users from China already have to request either a local or global IP block exemption on Miraheze, so this wouldn't be my primary argument against this. My main concern would be both the timeliness and accuracy of keeping the forked MediaWiki.org website up to date, to be honest. It's a good-faith idea, and I can't say I'd be opposed, per se, but I'd want to see an exhaustive and thorough proposal, to be sure. Dmehus (talk) 18:13, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, some wikis of Miraheze are inaccessible. For exameple the [//uncyclopedia.miraheze.org/ uncyclopedia]. And unnews is all right. So I think do not worry about all of Miraheze becoming inaccessible. With all due respect, Miraheze permit obscene(Esu) Wiki is more dangerous than this. 开炸弹车 (talk) 02:02, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The "esu" wiki(s) you cited were indeed shut down, deleted, and are now kaput by stewards. As a wiki creator, I take a critical eye to proposed new Chinese language wikis with vague or unclear descriptions, and routinely decline them as such. Dmehus (talk) 02:33, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It is sure. I have got some information about the mirror site of zhwikipedia. They use upload.wikimedia.org (it is not inaccessible now) to see media file. And we can also use leading-out and leading-in. Most of wiki uses reverse proxy开炸弹车 (talk) 03:12, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

I requests one wiki about mediawiki extensions.开炸弹车 (talk) 07:27, 26 September 2020 (UTC)