Meta:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive 4

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Request for Rollback (Universal Omega)
Hello, I know I have not done much counter-vandalism here on meta, although I do feel I should have rollbacker, so that if necessary I am able to quickly rollback the edits of vandals. I am active here on meta and quite frequently check the wiki requests, and already patrol many edits on meta, marking then as patrolled, so it makes sense for me to have rollback so that I can use it if needed. I can live without it by just going back and publishing the last good edit, but the rollback would provide a better record, and make it easier to do it. Thank you for the consideration! 15:20, 13 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * I'm not opposed to this, but I personally haven't even requested it as Twinkle's pseudo-rollback via "undo" and "restore to revision" has served me well (though, there has been one, maybe two, instances where  might've helped, mainly relating to another user's refactoring of other users' comments). Dmehus (talk) 15:26, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I actually think I have twinkle off, thanks for reminding me. In that case I do suppose this request is somewhat unnecessary. Thanks! 15:33, 13 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * I also would see no reason to oppose this, though I personally feel that there is very little vandalism on Meta currently and that as Dmehus said, Twinkle would probably work. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 15:52, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for reminding me about Twinkle, and while you may be right about there being very little vandalism on meta, I do not need Rollbacker with Twinkle existing. However, I do think I should mention that twinkle seems unreliable, and does not work on all my devices for some unknown reason. But for now I suppose I do not need Rollback. Thanks for the replies! 04:01, 14 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * Although  is rarely needed due to the pseudo-rollback feature included within the Twinkle (which uses  ), you've articulated a clear purpose and use case (i.e., the Twinkle compatibility issue when mobile), and you are trusted, so I'm inclined to grant this request, provided that you only use   when on mobile for obvious vandalism or for reverting Discord/auth. So, ✅. Dmehus (talk) 18:59, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Request for Patroller (Universal Omega)
Hello, I would like to request the patroller group. I was active patrolling edits in the past when it was the autopatrolled group and would like to continue that. Thanks! 16:05, 30 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * On hold for a few days to a week while we finalize the guidelines. Generally, I'm hoping that all patrollers will add things like unsigned, including timestamps (adjusted back to UTC time, as applicable), to talk page and noticeboards without signatures and/or timestamps, but yes, you are among the first patrollers I would like to see onboarded. Dmehus (talk) 18:51, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. Please ensure you that you follow the main  guidelines that will follow on your user talk page. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Dmehus (talk) 03:49, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Request for Patroller (CircleyDoesExtracter)
Hi. I am CircleyDoesExtracter. I can nicely request the patroller right. I had experience adding unsigned signatures and patrolling edits. Since I supported the idea of the patroller group on Meta, I'd like to request it and continue with the autopatrolled right. Thanks! Circley Does Extracter    ( Circley Talk  |  Global   |  Email the Cloud ) 01:27, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. Please ensure you that you follow the main  guidelines that will follow on your user talk page. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Dmehus (talk) 03:49, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Request for patrollers (松・Matsu)
Hi,there.Since the Japanese character code is minor and often has garbled characters, I would like to go around editing written in Japanese and help meta.thanks.--松•Matsu (talk) 14:50, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * On hold for a few days to a week while we finalize the guidelines. Generally, I'm hoping that all patrollers will add things like unsigned, including timestamps (adjusted back to UTC time, as applicable), to talk page and noticeboards without signatures and/or timestamps, but yes, you are among the first patrollers I would like to see onboarded. Dmehus (talk) 18:51, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. Please ensure you that you follow the main  guidelines that will follow on your user talk page. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Dmehus (talk) 03:49, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you.:)--松•Matsu (talk) 08:12, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Request for Patroller (Bonnedav)
Hello, I am Bonnedav. I may not be around all the time but do pop up occasionally. I have done patrolling on Meta before and wish to continue to do so. Thus i wish to request the new  group for this reason. Thank you. Bonnedav (talk) 22:09, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅; I was hoping you'd request this. Please ensure you that you follow the main  guidelines that will follow on your user talk page. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Dmehus (talk) 22:32, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Request for Patroller (Hypercane)
Hello, I would like to request the  user group as I believe it would be a great way for me to start helping out here on Meta. I'll look at any relevant guidelines you give me, thank you. Hypercane (  talk ) 00:28, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. Thanks for volunteering. Dmehus (talk) 00:29, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Request for to be added to the   user group

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
 * Consensus for. John (talk) 16:41, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

The following is a brief proposal for discussion, primarily, among administrators and interested Meta community members who follow this page to add the  user right to the   user group. Using the Special:MergeHistory special page,  is a user right that allows the revisions from one page to be moved, or merged, rather, into another page. It is primarily used for fixing things like improper cut and paste page moves, so in that way, is sometimes seen as a counter-vandalism tool. Nevertheless, it also secondarily used to history merge in the revisions from one older page into the revisions of a newer page, with the primary reason being for CreativeCommons copyright licensing compliance (see also this English Wikipedia guideline page for more on that). Commonly established guidelines on the English Wikipedia recommend that it be avoided where there are significant concerns with regard to parallel page histories.

Background: In somewhat of a curious anomaly, likely the result of a clerical oversight when Meta was established (since there are no merge log entries),  was never assigned to the   user group (see this special page in ManageWiki).

Rationale: I personally have a least a couple pages requiring history merging, mainly per attribution reasons and also for housekeeping reasons so redundant trailing redirects left behind by what would be the resulting merge can be safely deleted; however, and I have also been discussing the need to establish a Meta-only community discussion noticeboard (likely at Community portal, which, in turn, would see that historical page's revisions history merged into Community noticeboard/Archive 1 and made extant to the current revision on that archive page), to eliminate or reduce certain confusion if using Community noticeboard that would almost certainly be confused with community noticeboard, since he isn't keen on co-mingling Meta-only discussions with global or Miraheze community/customer discussions on community noticeboard, and, frankly, neither am I. We also briefly toyed around with my alternate idea of having a Bureaucrats' noticeboard, but seeing as bureaucrats on Meta only really grant interface administrator requests and close local RfCs (other than things like approving bots and closing administrator discussions at Requests for permissions), there's little need for them to have a separate noticeboard of their own, and, with   in the name, users may incorrectly perceive they aren't allowed to participate on that potential noticeboard. Now, if the community still preferred a Bureaucrats' noticeboard as an alternative to Community portal, we would certainly support that, but there is still such a potential use case for  that it should be added to the   user group.

Proposal: To add the  user right to the   user group.

Note: This proposal should remain open for at least seven (7) calendar days, but given how minor of a user right addition this is, it can likely be closed early (by a bureaucrat on Meta who also holds steward rights, for technical reasons) if at least five people, having valid arguments, have expressed a supportive view with overwhelming consensus of at least 80% or greater.

Proposed by: Dmehus (talk) 21:43, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Support

 * 1)  As proposer. Dmehus (talk) 21:49, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)  I do see how this could be useful for the administrators to have.  21:53, 5 September 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * 3)  Might be useful for sysops.   Circley  Does Extracter    ( Circley Talk  |  Global   |  Email the Cloud )  22:52, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * 4)  Would be useful for Meta admins to have. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 05:15, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * 5)  Can be useful for administrators HeartsDo (Talk || Global || Wiki Creator) 12:51, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Discussion

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section

Autopatrolled request
First, I moved accounts from Tom191 to this account, which the former is autopatrolled. Second, I know how to use meta, vote in requests, I sign my posts, and add unsigned for others too. AppleCrunchy (talk) 23:56, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Are you able to sign in to your account and have it reply to this thread, confirming that Tom191 and AppleCrunchy are the same person? If you had created AppleCrunchy while signed in as Tom191, it would show up in the user creation log that Tom191 had created the user account AppleCrunchy. Nevertheless, once you've done this, this LGTM, and I'm inclined to approve. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 00:40, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm AppleCrunchy Tom191 (talk) 13:05, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. Thanks for confirming from your, which you can now shelve, if you wish. You may want to add a notice on Tom191's global user page that it is a retired/former account. On your global user page (or Meta user page), you may, optionally, wish to disclose your prior Tom191 account, but that part is up to you as well. Here's the diff link for your confirmation edit from Tom191 for AppleCrunchy. Dmehus (talk) 13:49, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Special:MyLanguage and "tvar" tags on FAQ
Hi, Raltseye has left a message on my talk page for ask to "implement Special:MyLanguage in tvar tags on FAQ" but I can not do this because the page is sysop protected. If a admin can take care this task, it would be good :). HeartsDo (Talk || Global || Wiki Creator) 06:00, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hrm, this should already be enabled, as I have seen  used on pages on Meta, quite frequently in fact. Maybe  just means to update the source pages with this tag? If so, I'd recommend reaching out to either (a) any translation administrator (for non-administrator-protected pages) or (b) any administrator (for any administrator-protected pages). Hope this is of some assistance. Dmehus (talk) 15:04, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's what I meant with "implementing", as in putting the actual tags in the source code on the page itself. I appologize if I used the wrong wording. --Raltseye (talk) 22:29, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm going to temporarily lower the page protection on that page temporarily, so you or can undertake this. When it is complete, please reply back to this thread, and we'll (a) re-protect the page and (b) re-mark the page for translation. How does that sound? Dmehus (talk) 01:08, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. --Raltseye (talk) 22:10, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I think I'm done, I don't see anything more to do on FAQ., you're more than welcome to inspect of course. I also took care of some redirects and some dubble spaces that were scattered around.
 * Also, maybe Board should be translated, I don't know, maybe. --Raltseye (talk) 23:01, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know that you seem to be done with updating FAQ. I'll leave the protection lowered for another day or so, in case you have anymore updates to do, then will mark it for translation. Regarding Board, since it's a global page, I checked Miraheze's board secretary, who had no issues with it being a translated page. So, I will take care of that now. Dmehus (talk) 23:14, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks! --Raltseye (talk) 23:20, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Board is all ✅, and is ready to be translated now. Let me know if you would like to translate the two subpages of that page. Dmehus (talk) 23:30, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'm not so sure about the other two sub pages but yeah, maybe if you think it's appropriate. Also, next time, don't forget to add the Special:MyLanguage only on pages that can be translated and not on the likes of talk and user pages, since those (typically) can't be translated and in tvar tags so they can easily be translated without having to write the whole link. --Raltseye (talk) 21:02, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip on the  tags. I'll definitely try and do that in the future, and it was chiefly from your sample code that I am now much more confident in using them! As to the Special:MyLanguage links, yeah, I guess that's probably true, but the thinking was that the subpages would likely be translated, so couldn't hurt. Anyway, I will mark those subpages now. Dmehus (talk) 21:13, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

That's great! Also, could you add tvar tags to the main page? --Raltseye (talk) 16:54, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Merge User:FireBarrier101/signature into User:FireBarrier101/sig
I want to merge User:FireBarrier101/signature into User:FireBarrier101/sig on this revision. 17:48, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. Dmehus (talk) 18:15, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

The section of the translation page is broken
Since the section of the translation source page has been changed significantly, the section is broken on some translation pages.I propose to delete pages that are not modified.thanks.--松•Matsu (talk) 00:58, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this page was broken for the longest time until HeartsDo did excellent work repairing the broken translation. Is there a problem with specific sections, or just long outdated translated sections? Dmehus (talk) 01:34, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * 8th is especially.It has a big impact because it inserts the rejected extension in the global extension part.However, this may help translate rejected extensions.But, the translation of the rejected extension has been subdivided and may not be very useful.--松•Matsu (talk) 01:45, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hrm, at first I wondered if by "8th" if the issue was maybe HeartsDo had reused a translation unit ID number that had been used previously for another extension. Now, I am not so certain what you are meaning. Are you just saying you don't find the rejected extensions particularly useful, or you think we should change the order of the sections on the source page? Dmehus (talk) 01:56, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Translations:Extensions/8/XX part.This is the explanation part of CentralAuth.It looks like we're inserting a list of rejected extensions into the CentralAuth description.This affects unmodified, translated pages.--松•Matsu (talk) 02:09, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks for the helpful clarification. I will look into seeing if we can modify that translation unit somehow without having to invalidate it in some way. Separately, I have deleted seven (7) unmaintained translations (unmaintained since 2018 to early 2020), namely three variants of Chinese, Polish, Russian, Bangladesh, and Korean. All were approximately 1% (or less) translated, so that should help as well. Dmehus (talk) 03:29, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your confirmation and response:)--松•Matsu (talk) 03:53, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Removal of the flags for Proxybot and Void-bot
Looking at the Meta contributions and log actions for Proxybot and contributions and log actions for Void-bot, it looks like the former has not made an edit or log action on Meta since March 2018 and the latter has not done the same since October 2018 (not counting a February 2019 OAuth consumer token update). I previously confirmed with, the bot operator of the former, that Proxybot is longer blocking open proxies, and I haven't yet spoken to , so am pinging him if he can confirm whether Void-bot is still operating on Meta or whether it just operates on other wikis (i.e., CVT and/or MirahezeBots wikis). So, I'm just wondering if any Meta bureaucrat could remove the  flag from these two bots on Meta, assuming there are no imminent plans for them to resume their functions? Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 17:31, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe when we get the proxy stuff going again we'll be using the MirahezeBots account. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  15:50, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Void-bot could probably lose the sysop flag right now, but still actively uses the bot login. I can't recall the source code off the top of my head, but I think it might not function properly if the bot flag is removed from the account. I intend to continue working on it, but recently many things have gotten in the way. -- Void  Whispers 23:23, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I've removed the sysop flag from Void-bot and the bot flag from Proxybot per above. If these are needed again in the future, they can be re-requested naturally. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 17:54, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Please block 2600:1700:50D0:ECC0:351F:B9E0:6C70:8A21
Vandalism. Gomdoli4696 (talk) 04:57, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Special:Contribs/2600:1700:50D0:ECC0:351F:B9E0:6C70:8A21
 * , with a Cc: to, ✅ for one month, preventing logged in users from that IP address from editing on Meta for the duration and also from accounts being created at that IP address. As well, should the IP user change IPs, I've temporarily ✅ community noticeboard for two weeks to logged in, registered users. Thank you for your report, and to you both for your reversions. Dmehus (talk) 05:18, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * and hard blocked as they moved to their talk page. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  08:00, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Moving a wiki to Miraheze is up for translation?
I recently got around to polish the page Moving a wiki to Miraheze for translation, is this something that we can mark for translation, or is there something more to do? And if so, how do one group it with other pages in the same category in Special:LanguageStats? Is that done by categories or do one have to manually do that in some special page? --Raltseye (talk) 16:10, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that page can be marked, but I would check with first as they were working on that, mainly related to its translation units. Otherwise, I have no issues with it. To your latter question, I believe that's where the "aggregate groups" comes in in that you have to aggregate the page with a similar established translation group (i.e., probably "documentation"). Dmehus (talk) 16:23, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * For explain rapidly the problem, this page was already marked as translation but just removed on the translation wihout removing old units.
 * I have maybe a idea, but I not sure there will work. I will mark the page for translation and see if Fuzzybot do somethings. If it doing nothing, I will try to manual edit the old units (if possible) and create the new one and see if it modify the main page.
 * In other word, don't touch the page and I will say if a success or fail HeartsDo (Talk || Global || Wiki Creator) 16:37, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, never trust on the green box, Fuzzybot is doing his job, this request is ✅ HeartsDo (Talk || Global || Wiki Creator) 16:44, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Archiving
Not sure if this is a great idea, but maybe add the autoarchive to this page since some things are literally 5 years old.

For your consideration. 20:27, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your good-faith suggestion. Community portal is the former community noticeboard, and, incidentally, I didn't realize that page's sysop protection had expired. This has now been corrected. We're currently developing plans to repurpose that noticeboard into a Meta-only community discussion portal, but what do with its archives is challenging. So, in the interim, it is sysop protected. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 00:43, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It does. Thanks! 00:44, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, great, and no problem. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 00:49, 30 October 2020 (UTC)