Community noticeboard/Archive 7

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Can I backup?
If I make a personal wiki can I have a backup if Miraheze ever breaksdown?
 * Of course! Special:DataDump can be used for that effect. Reception123 (talk) ('C' ) 16:20, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, the data dumps also mentioned at Terms of Use. The usage of data dumps is to generate your content as xml, and your content must be comply with TOU, just in case your Wiki had accidentally breakdown. SA 13 Bro (talk) 02:56, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

How to import
I want to import pages from Wikibooks. But at Special:Import, I can only select metawiki and templatewiki to import pages on. --Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 16:56, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

How do I add other languages to my wiki?
Hey, I manage the wiki.mxlinuxusers.de in German language up to now. Now there is a request to expand it to English language too(like the wiki.archlinux.org). So I want to add https://wiki.mxlinuxusers.de/wiki/Main_Page to "in other languages" like they do. How this can be done? --Peter Littmann (talk) 16:21, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * First you need to create the interwiki (I can do it but I need to know which prefix they want to use) and enable wgExtraInterlanguageLinkPrefixes in GitHub (I can enable it). Hispano76 (talk) 16:53, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I am not sure if I understand you correctly. I understand you wish to get the following data:

Could this work in this form or does I need to create a new wiki and eventually a new domain on which it runs? --Peter Littmann (talk) 02:31, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Prefix: en or mxlinuxusersen
 * URL: https://wiki.mxlinuxusers.de/wiki/Main_Page
 * So when the user opens https://wiki.mxlinuxusers.de he should get Hauptseite and under in anderen Sprachen there should be a link English which should link to https://wiki.mxlinuxusers.de/wiki/Main_Page. Will this be practicable or would you suggest a better method?
 * Hello, i think you want to enable the "Translator" extension for your wiki like we have enabled on meta. Paladox (talk) 14:16, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * As I understand this seems to be meant for translation projects where the authors write and translate together. In our wiki a group of some germans will write and a independent group of some English speaking authors will write their articles where some are in both groups but the content may be grow independent. Some articles may exist in both languages some not. --Peter Littmann (talk) 15:06, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Then you will have to request a new specialized wiki for the English language apart from the German wiki. Then you could use interwikis as Wikipedia does. Hispano76 (talk) 20:54, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * So I have ordereed a new domain(mxlinuxusers.org) where I added a subdomain wiki.mxlinuxusers.org and set the CNAME to your server. I requested a new wiki in the form and used Phabricator to request a Let's encript certificate. So from my side seems to be all fullfilled, right? Please check it. --Peter Littmann (talk) 22:39, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Giving access to linking between wikis
Hello, I would like my wiki (https://hasanistan.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page) to have the ability to link to other wikis in Miraheze and also this wiki (https://micronations.wiki/wiki/Main_Page). Thanks. OIMGov (talk) 14:01, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Some of them are accessible via interwiki links. Ask a staff for more details. Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 20:20, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

where is "Special:ManageWiki"
From miraheze I got the message posted on https://isac.miraheze.org/wiki/: "Miraheze Staff has noticed that this wiki has no edits or logs made within the last 45 days. If you would like to prevent this wiki from being closed, please start showing signs of activity here. If there are no signs of this wiki being used within the next 15 days, this wiki may be closed per the Dormancy Policy. This wiki will then be eligible for adoption by another user. If not adopted and still inactive 135 days from now, this wiki will become eligible for deletion. Please be sure to familiarize yourself with Miraheze's Dormancy Policy. If there is activity on this wiki you can go to Special:ManageWiki and uncheck "inactive" yourself. If you have any other questions or concerns, please don't hesitate to Stewards' noticeboard."

Following the above hint "go to Special:ManageWiki" I visit "https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages", but there searching for "ManageWiki" gives no result; "Manage a wiki" leads me to somewhere I feel lost.

So, how can I uncheck "inactive" ?

Best, Walther
 * Go to isac.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:ManageWiki Zppix (Meta &#124; CVT Member &#124; talk to me) 14:13, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
 * If you want ease of access, it is also accessible from your wiki sidebar. Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 20:18, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

I am reviving this topic about the board of Miraheze and how Miraheze should be incorporated
Miraheze technically needs a board and needs to be incorporated. On my page about this topic, Miraheze, th "Service", should be incorporated and Wikipedians will revive this draft on WP once more external sources are found. On that page, we will divide Miraheze regions into Miraheze Europe, America and Asia. Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 08:13, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Miraheze doesnt need a board imo, and about that staff/contractor page, none of us are paid staff (AFAIK) we are all volunteer. I would prefer you to continue only if/after you get approval from staff or community (whichever is applicable). Thanks! Zppix (Meta &#124; CVT Member &#124; talk to me) 13:25, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Since Miraheze is an organisation we need to divide Miraheze into three governance regions: Miraheze Asia (which includes The Pioneer, Fukahire, SA and me, and also Revi), Miraheze Europe (which includes Paladox, Southparkfan, Rob Kam, and also Reception123), and Miraheze America (which obviously includes John and Labster). Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 13:54, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Is it really necessary? I would prefer to avoid so much bureaucracy and that the project focuses on the contents of wikis, avoid ambiguity in user permissions and make campaigns for donations among others. Having so much bureaucracy is going to make Miraheze look like Wikia/Fandom... that in the end it won't help the average contributor. Hispano76 (talk) 20:58, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I think this isn't necessary, for the entire site it is written that Miraheze is maintained by volunteers, the staff and volunteers pages are public, as if to talk about government. Besides having the need to name the region from which a volunteer contributes could violate privacy, i don't think it is necessary to know where you are from or where we are. -- Dark Dragoon  (talk)  01:19, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Think about that. If Miraheze did become an organisation we will have to set up MH Asia MH europe and MH north america Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 10:40, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
 * If the staff and sysadmins exist, and they did so much work to make Miraheze better, why are not paid at least by donations Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 10:42, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I think that the users who contributed voluntarily here tried hard to show transparency and offer a good service. They just did an annual survey showing a lot of interest in the consumer based on what they built, so starting with personal donations would look bad.
 * And i don't think we just have to look at the work done by the system administrators, all the volunteers do something to make this place better. In my case i only do translations, it seems very little, but I try to do it because i know friends who think that this is just a place for english speaking users, but i don't need donations to make it more accessible to them. -- Dark Dragoon  (talk)  13:35, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

There is obviously not a consensus to do this, if you want to open an RfC feel free although i can promise it wont get consensus either. Zppix (Meta &#124; CVT Member &#124; talk to me) 14:11, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Stewards and CVTs should have a yearly meeting. For stewards, it is in Southparkfan’s house, and while CVTs is in Reception123’s house. Is that okay? Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 12:39, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I too concur that there is no need to organize users by world region. I don't conceal mine, others might, and nationality is generally not an issue except for varying skill at, and desire to use, English.  (If we had to sort users, I would prefer doing it by demonstrated maturity, so the recent wave of feuding children should have to eat at a separate table!)  Legal and financial organization of Miraheze is a topic to be handled by Stewards unless they should come to us for help or a mandate.   16:44 24-Jun-2019
 * Can Miraheze have at least some meetings? Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 09:09, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Enabled in extensions "Comments", but can`t see them.
I looked through all settings, useless. What else should I do to use comments on my wiki bz.miraheze.com? Despierto (talk) 11:05, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, please take a look at mw:Extension:Comments. It requires that a parser tag in the form of  be placed on each page that can recieve comments. I'm not sure if there is any other more suitable, but be aware that there are some mass edit extensions that can be used to add the tag to all pages. --  Void  Whispers 00:13, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! That`s what I need!

Twitter cards, bis
In Community noticeboard/Archive 6, I inquire about a MediaWiki extension that adds meta tags to help Twitter display a graphic when I tweet out a reference to a page on my wiki. (Infrequent User:El Komodos Drago said it was as simple as installing an extension, and Reception123 offered to find out which one.)

I am told it is OpenGraphMeta, but I don't see any reference to it in Extensions. Moreover, I don't see a way to select extensions at Special:ManageWiki on TheMirror.miraheze.org, although I believe I used it in the past to add extensions.

(Reception123 reported studying this extension in Request features/Archive 3. And User:Michaeldakin in Community noticeboard/Archive 4 said he had enabled it but was dissatisfied with the results.)

Separately, Archive 6 of this page is not in the index at the top of the page. 13:37 28-Jun-2019
 * Extensions are managed through Special:ManageWiki/extensions, and the extension you are looking for appears on that page. -- Void  Whispers 00:14, 29 June 2019 (UTC)


 * It does indeed, and it now states that I have enabled it. I hope my confusion prompts an improvement in the documentation, such as (1) making "Extensions" visible from the Special:ManageWiki main page (as it is non-intuitive how to get there) and (2) documenting OpenGraphMeta at Extensions.  Thanks for your help!   05:13 29-Jun-2019


 * And it did indeed produce a Twitter card.  05:21 29-Jun-2019

How do I disable unlogged users from contributing?
Please help? Mar9122 (talk) 20:08, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
 * You can use Special:ManageWiki/permissions to restrict the access of unlogged users. -- Void  Whispers 20:11, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Almost forgot, but make sure that any rights you remove from unlogged users is granted to the user group (or another group). -- Void  Whispers 20:26, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll try. Mar9122 (talk) 20:46, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm back and it seems like unlogged users can still use a forum for whatever reason. Is there a way to disable it? Mar9122 (talk) 01:50, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * sorry for the delay, but it should soon (by the time you see this probably) be possible to disable anon usage of WikiForum from Special:ManageWiki/settings under the edit section. -- Void  Whispers 00:09, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Meetings on Miraheze
Can Miraheze Have at least some meetings? Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 05:43, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * What do you expect to discuss? Given Miraheze size and speed of development we engage in active dialogue. John (talk) 08:09, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The point that I want to ask is that if Miraheze can have some meetings. --Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 11:13, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I second @John, what would you expect us to discuss? It’s alright saying “having meetings”, but you need to know what your going to talk about, where your going to do it and what time your going to do it. Paladox (talk) 11:51, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * We are not big enough. Zppix (Meta &#124; CVT Member &#124; talk to me) 13:27, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The meeting will talk about donations, because seeing Finances which is currently managed by Labster, it does not have as much donations that it would need to support our whole volunteer, which needs a better campaign for donations. On my view of User:Southparkfan/Fundraising-campaign-proposal, the campaign should be redirected to a Wikimedian such as SA 13 Bro, to attract more users to Miraheze instead of other wiki hosting services. Some people like Yaron are already working on Referata, and we need to change his attention. Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 01:12, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Why oppose? We are technically big enough to host meetings, possibly at Southparkfan's house.
 * You said TO-DO was incorporation to make finances better, why not discuss with becoming incorporated. Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 01:15, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

I cant even take you seriously when you say things like have a meeting at SPF’s house. I can’t take this proposal seriously either. Zppix (Meta &#124; CVT Member &#124; talk to me) 02:13, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Always at the Founder's house if we are not big enough (we only have 6 staff) Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 02:56, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * This is not a serious request. Before we even discuss anything else, firstly because all staff live in different locations. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 17:16, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * That's why we have to set up a travel policy. Expect RfCs. Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 02:03, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 * If I am to travel to different world regions, I want an expense account, and we should vote on whether it pays us to fly First Class. Seriously, do you have an agenda in mind (that requires face-to-face meetings versus interaction via Internet)? or shall we just have meetings and bicker about the catering and argue about the site of the next meeting?   05:17 29-Jun-2019
 * I am creating the agenda. Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 01:51, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
 * With all due respect, i really don't understand where you want to go. In recent days i've seen that you've proposed strange things... But to contribute something, i will simply comment: I was a volunteer in fandom and when we had meetings we did using BlueJeans and nobody ever thought of a meeting in someone's house. If Miraheze require meetings i think it could be something similar or just a chat using IRC or Discord? but it's staff stuff, so i will not say much either. Greetings. -- Dark Dragoon  (talk)  02:47, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Broken
Hi administrators, message boxes, navboxes, infoboxes and TemplateStyles message boxes are broken. This is because of a CSS problem. Please import all the code on Wikipedia’s MediaWiki:Common.css and copy paste it there so the problem can be fixed Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 03:06, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Can someone get a bot for me
Can any of the community members get a bot for me that sends a welcome message to the user talk page of that user when that user makes his first contribution or first log (excluding the account creation log)? --<b style="color:blue">Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 03:11, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Enable the NewUserWelcome via Special:ManageWiki extensions. Zppix (Meta &#124; CVT Member &#124; talk to me) 12:58, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Not on my wiki, but on Meta. --<b style="color:blue">Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 00:07, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Importing page files
I am in the process of building my wiki. I have auto generated the pages I want to import. Using special page import file: I would like to import a few to make sure I have everything correct using the import files special page but I don’t know what to enter for the “interwiki prefix”. I have looked at mediawiki documentation but I am unable to decipher what I need. Any suggestions? Major uploading of all files: There are about 2000 files representing the hierarchy that are less than 3k each and the actual page text inside them is about 1k. Is the correct way to make a request through phabricator or is there some way to do this myself? Thanks, Eddie
 * An import of that size should be done via phab and sysadmins User:RhinosF1 - (Quirc) (chat (on meta) ) · CA 16:37, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Indeed, please see Imports on how to request. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 18:22, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

String parser functions In templates
I want to do string parsing inside a template. I need to replace each space in a string with a plus(+) character. I need to use both the original and the edited string in the template. What string functions (replace specifically) are available in Miraheze by default? What extension do I need if not available by default? Thanks, Eddie
 * We have mw:Extension:ReplaceText which should be just right for you. You can enable it from Special:Managewiki/extensions of your wiki.-- 17:17, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

No, that doesn’t seem to be what I need. I need to replace the spaces in a string passed to the template as a parameter with a plus character. It must be evaluated each time the template is used. I do not need to replace the values through the wiki.
 * I think one way for it is to have a custom javascript on MediaWiki:common.js of your wiki. The template should have a tag with a spacial id/class name, and all the letter + in the target id/class will be replaced by js automatically.-- 17:58, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Sounds like way over kill. And I don’t speak Java; barely managing mediawiki. I need a simple parser function like #replace|instr|searchSrt|ReplaceString


 * In StringFunctions it says that  was merged with ParserFunctions, and that extension is already enabled by default. -- Dark Dragoon   (talk)  18:27, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The merged functions seem to be disabled on Miraheze. One other way is to import mw:Module:String.-- 18:34, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The setting to enable it can be managed through Special:ManageWiki/settings as "Enable string function functionality". -- Void  Whispers 19:50, 13 July 2019 (UTC) Sorry I’m being so slow.  I am an extreme newbie. I found the Special:ManageWiki page but don’t see where to select the setting mentioned.
 * Also, how are y’all getting your signature attached and getting the text to indent?
 * And, Does mw:Module:String means importing the module from the main MetaWiki site? I’m not clear on how that is done either. I am looking through the documentation for answers to these but am able to interpret very little.
 * Here is the option in ManageWiki. For signature, see Help:Signatures and for indent see Help:Formatting. The module thing is unnecesary i think. -- Dark Dragoon  (talk)  21:48, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, after seeing Void's comment, I think enabling string parser functions from Special:ManageWiki/settings of your wiki, which can be accessed from "Manage this wiki's additional settings" on the sidebar is the best way. "Enable string function functionality" is on the "Edit" tab of that page. Check it, go to the "Submit" tab, enter a brief summary and submit it to make the change valid. For more details on managewiki as a whole, you can see ManageWiki. For signatures, type ~ / --~, and for indents, add colons on the head of the lines. One colon will add one indent.-- 02:11, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Edit not saved on Crazybloxian Empire wiki
Hello. I was trying to edit a wiki page on my Crazybloxian Empire wiki but it says, edit not saved. I’m an administrator and bureaucrat on that. How come that is happening. Btw I was trying to edit on mobile. •• User:Fair0002 • China Sucks! Xi Jinping Is Filthy 08:18, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * What is the exact error message? Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#DC143C">'C' ) 13:49, 15 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Error, edit not saved. •• Fair0002 • Bureaucrat and Administrator of Crazybloxian Empire Wiki 01:14, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Is this error still occurring? Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#DC143C">'C' ) 05:08, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, fixed already. But I still need an explanation for why the ERROR OCCURED. •• Fair0002 • Bureaucrat and Administrator of Crazybloxian Empire Wiki 05:13, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

[FIXED, PLEASE IGNORE] I blocked myself on accident.
Somebody please help me get unblocked from the Crazybloxian Empire wiki. I blocked myself accidentally. Check the block log. At least the block lasted two hours.

•• Fair0002 • Bureaucrat and Administrator of Crazybloxian Empire Wiki 09:43, 16 July 2019 (UTC) It is ignored, but similar requests should be made on SN.

Site name error
rs.miraheze.org

Expected: 滚动的天空Wiki

Got: æ»šåŠ¨çš„å¤©ç©ºWiki --SolidBlock (talk) 04:41, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Normal now. It can take a while from submitting the ManageWiki. --SolidBlock (talk) 04:42, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

My wiki https://geodominus.miraheze.org/wiki/ is gone.
Hi, I do not know if this is the right place, but my wiki https://geodominus.miraheze.org/wiki/ is gone. Can someone help me?
 * Was the wiki public or private? Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#DC143C">'C' ) 17:59, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * @Reception123: Public

how to keep up to date in changes in Miraheze storage space
I remember a month or so ago we were told Miraheze had about 90 GB left in storage for ALL projects collectively, so our desire to see thousands of images mass-imported from old Wikia/Fandom projects might be delayed (something in the realm of 30GB and 70GB respectively).

I was wondering how to keep up to date on fluctuations in Miraheze capacity so we might know when an appropriate time is to revisit these requests.

I'm also wondering, re Phabricator, if there might be some way of a tiered approach to restoring an old database. Like for example, instead of restoring ALL the images at once, to say restore maybe 1% of them at a time?

This would allow us to revisit some of our older files, and with a small quantity, maybe go through them and even delete spam.

Do you know, out of consideration for minimizing the footprint a wiki makes on Miraheze, if there is a way to permanently delete a file once uploaded?

In my experience when Wikia/Fandom deleted a file, it wasn't truly deleted, a copy was still present on the database taking up space (because it could be restored by admins) so that wouldn't allow permanent deletion to free up space for Miraheze, which is something I'd like to do.

I'm also wondering if anyone knows of any tools for arranging files by information such as size, so we could for example "target" the higher-capacity "bloat" files and reduce them to a smaller resolution (perhaps a complete delete and re-upload?) to cut down on Miraheze's costs for storing it. Tycio (talk) 18:00, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * To check out disk spaces, access Icinga following the guide on Tech:Icinga, and search for disk spaces. When a wiki is deleted from our database (most likely per Dormancy Policy), I think images uploaded there will be completely deleted as well, which is probably the only case when we can delete images parmanently.-- 14:55, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

As a member of Administrators, Bureaucrats for a private wiki, how can I give other users the ability to edit the wiki?
As a member of Administrators, Bureaucrats for a private wiki, how can I give other users the ability to edit the wiki? I have a user_name and an email address for the account that I want to allow to view and edit the wiki's private pages. I saw the manage permissions and I created a new group, but I do not see how to add users to that group. Thanks Ken78w (talk) 22:20, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Go to your wiki's Special:UserRights and check the "member" group <b style="color:blue">Znotch</b><b style="color:red">190711</b> (Contribs - My wiki - CA) 06:41, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Invitation
hi, I invite you to speak Portuguese participate in centopedia.Gustave London (talk) 16:19, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

How to stop fake users from registering on the wiki?
There is a constant trickle of fake users registering on sdiywiki. It's really rare that a real user signs up. The fake users are some script somewhere that posts some nonsense with a random external URL and the user never visit the wiki again. Somehow it's a different IP each time. Proxies are blocked and the abuse filter prevents the spam from being allowed. The wiki has got captcha/recaptch for account creation but this doesn't make a difference.

How to slow down or stop fake user accounts from being registered on the wiki? Rob Kam (talk) 18:07, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I think introducing some kind of username block filter might work.-- 14:37, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * There is no discernible pattern that clearly distinguishes the fake user names from legitimate users. Rob Kam (talk) 16:57, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Znotch190711
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 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
 * hypotheticalmetawiki and mirahezefakenews have been deleted. Any requests for similar wikis by any user will be declined under the Content Policy clause "A wiki must not create problems which make it difficult for other wikis". Znotch190711 is prohibited from creating further accounts. -- Void  Whispers 18:31, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

<copied from AN> Hello,

I've opened this thread to discuss the actions of.

Firstly, this user has started a number of RfCs recently that they know are likely to fail and have been previously discussed varying from changes to the internal structure of Mirhaeze to CVT. Their latest RfC is a very long page with a number of proposals that even they themselves know are unlikely to pass and oppose.

I have also noticed that this user makes misleading comments as evidenced at their talk page where they claim to have not requested any wikis despite having done so and this discussion where they claim to have nominated me for sysop hypothetically and then deny this part way through which they refused to remove when I blanked it as I decided I did not want to be involved in this and are taking the mick about unaware WMF wiki users.


 * User:RhinosF1 - (Quirc) (chat (on meta) ) · CA 15:58, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

I proposed this as I can see users easily getting offended if they are made out to be something they are not and discover lies or Znotch refuses to remove them and this ruining Miraheze's reputation User:RhinosF1 - (Quirc) (chat (on meta) ) · CA 17:47, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Proposal
is required to remove any mention of users in hypothetical content on https://hypotheticalmeta.miraheze.org if the user requests it.

Discussion

 * This request would be out of the scope of AN since it does not concern Meta. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 16:11, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I put it all part of the same discussion but feel free to move to CN or something more appropriate. User:RhinosF1 - (Quirc) (chat (on meta) ) · CA 16:16, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * While this may seem like bureaucray, if I as a Meta admin were to close this request I would not be able to due to the fact that I don't have authority to make a decision for another wiki. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 16:38, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Can you suggest an alternative venue to discuss this? User:RhinosF1 - (Quirc) (chat (on meta) ) · CA 17:00, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

The truth is that I do not feel comfortable with the actions of Fungter/Znotch190711. I have seen that it is something problematic, with his account "Lego Master" has had problems and has been blocked in some wikis, then has changed account, perhaps to avoid the block. As "Fugster" has vandalized and was blocked again and now it is again changing account, to avoid its block again, because this last time it has tried that the Stewards use oversight to erase their "past actions".

Here in Meta I have seen that several times that the user has tried to propose something rare that would involve a big change to the Miraheze structure, I think he has a fascination for global permissions. Many times he has nominated to other users to occupy voluntary positions, when he does not even know if that user has the capacity, time or desire to occupy the positions. Perhaps it looks for that some user gains its liking, soon to be nominated and to obtain its vote in a future, is the unique explanation that I see to him all this attempt to draw the attention.

Idk, from my point of view I think you should analyze the user's actions and do something about it.-- Dark Dragoon  (talk)  04:03, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I have deleted the page and the problem may be fixed. <b style="color:blue">Znotch</b><b style="color:red">190711</b> (Contribs - My wiki - CA) 05:34, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Would you agree to the conditions of this RfC? User:RhinosF1 - (Quirc) (chat (on meta) ) · CA 06:12, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Please be specific on what the conditions are. <b style="color:blue">Znotch</b><b style="color:red">190711</b> (Contribs - My wiki - CA) 06:24, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * That you are required to remove any mention of a user in hypothetical content on hypothetical wikis on request where you possess the tools to do so. User:RhinosF1 - (Quirc) (chat (on meta) ) · CA 06:37, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by “mentions?” <b style="color:blue">Znotch</b><b style="color:red">190711</b> (Contribs - My wiki - CA) 06:50, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Usage of Thier username or a known alias and the content associated with it. Anything involving them you've got to make not involve them and so it can't be guessed it does. User:RhinosF1 - (Quirc) (chat (on meta) ) · CA 06:54, 13 July 2019 (UTC)


 * And maybe you should also consider restricting the creation of wikis related to false or unofficial Miraheze things (I do not know if there is any policy about it already). I do not think it's good that there is a wiki that collects false things from Miraheze, as if it were Meta, or that it uses its appearance within the Services. There are already two wikis that he creates: mirahezefakenews and hypotheticalmeta. If you create this kind of wikis every time a user feels dissatisfied because their ideas were not implemented, we would be filled with wikis such as these, and resources are used to create something that may make Miraheze and her volunteers look bad. In fandom for example it is forbidden to use the appearance of the community central and it is also forbidden to do anything that damages the "fandom" brand. -- Dark Dragoon  (talk)  07:10, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Votes

 * 1) as proposer User:RhinosF1 - (Quirc) (chat (on meta) ) · CA 15:58, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 2) Meta should have no opinion about how some other Miraheze wiki deals with a problem user.   16:54 12-Jul-2019
 * Well in this case it is not "Meta" but this forum is for the Miraheze community as a whole. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 07:45, 13 July 2019 (UTC)


 * 1) -- Dark Dragoon   (talk)  04:04, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 2) I don't think the whole idea of the wikis is appropriate, as it could create confusion. If someone would visit one of these wikis they could get the impression that they are the real version. I think that the user should at least have clear indications that the wikis are meant for "satire" or whatever it is for, as to not cause possible confusion. I see on one of the wikis it is claimed that Miraheze has incorporated, which is not true, and is an example of what could cause users to be genuinely confused. Reception123  (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 07:44, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The wikis are satires. you are right. it is confusing. <b style="color:blue">Znotch</b><b style="color:red">190711</b> (Contribs - My wiki - CA) 08:15, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) I am trying to fix the problem. <b style="color:blue">Znotch</b><b style="color:red">190711</b> (Contribs - My wiki - CA) 08:13, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 2) as I support the proposal below more strongly.-- 09:35, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 3) per pionner's suggestion -- will  if they fail User:RhinosF1 - (Quirc) (chat (on meta) ) · CA 09:40, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Proposal 2
hypotheticalmeta and mirahezefakenews should be closed and deleted. Any further requests that could be confused with other existing Miraheze wikis will be declined because they "will hinder other wikis", and any other similar existing public wikis will be suspended if found.


 * One thing I can say for sure is that faking other user's signatures to make the discussions real is going too far. Uncyclopedia is a parody of Wikipedia, but they would not do host such contents. We may ask for a simple removal, but I think these wikis should be closed because they are still confusing with meta even if such contents are removed.-- 09:35, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Votes

 * 1) -- 09:35, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 2) - was going to let this close based on the agreement and suggest we review policy around this anyway User:RhinosF1 - (Quirc) (chat (on meta) ) · CA 09:38, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 3) Per my comment above. In this case I support making the wiki private, instead of deleting. However, any future requests for public wikis like this should be declined per that clause of the Content Policy. Reception123  (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 10:00, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 4) I agree with Reception123. <b style="color:blue">Znotch</b><b style="color:red">190711</b> (Contribs - My wiki - CA) 13:08, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * If you agree, wouldn't be easier if you made the wikis private or deleted them instead of requiring us to go through this process? Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 16:02, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I have made the wikis private. However, I still think they should be closed and deleted, considering that they have almost the same main pages as meta.-- 17:15, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) -- Dark Dragoon   (talk)  17:15, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 2) The image of Miraheze could be affected by these wikis that mirror Meta but alter the contents. --DeeM28 (talk) 07:49, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Proposal 3
The known alt accounts of User:Znotch190711, LegoMaster, Fungster, and Ofreporter should be locked so that they won't be abused.


 * As there are concerns that other existing accounts may be abused, I think we should lock them so that it won't be abused.-- 09:35, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * You are actually wrong. Ofreporter was moved to LegoMaster because of compromised account, and I also moved from LegoMaster to Fungster also because of compromised account, in both cases, my email was removed and since at those times I did not have a committed identity I was not able to recover my account. Lock Ofreporter and LegoMaster as possible abuse. So I only chose to change my account once, not three times. <b style="color:blue">Znotch</b><b style="color:red">190711</b> (Contribs - My wiki - CA) 13:07, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The important thing is the fact that you have changed your accounts from time to time several times. Even if the backgrounds behind for each cases are different, it is enough to make me think that you are somewhat untrustworthy.-- 13:39, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Votes

 * 1) -- 09:35, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 2) per nom User:RhinosF1 - (Quirc) (chat (on meta) ) · CA 09:39, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 3) -- Dark Dragoon   (talk)  17:47, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 4) I think other accounts are legitimate and there is no sign that there will be abuse or that the accounts have been used after the creation of the new ones. --DeeM28 (talk) 07:44, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 5) I agree with @Dee. <b style="color:blue">Znotch</b><b style="color:red">190711</b> (Contribs - My wiki - CA) 19:24, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Honestly, shouldn't we expect you to oppose since it's action against you and if they're not going to be used then what impact would locking them have. I don't see the issue m User:RhinosF1 - (Quirc) (chat (on meta) ) · CA 19:28, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Proposal 4
User:Znotch190711 should not use/create another alt account. If detected, all the accounts including his/her current main account will be locked.-- 09:35, 13 July 2019 (UTC)


 * I've seen him/her repeating "clean start" many times, and I think we've had enough.-- 09:35, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * You are actually wrong. Ofreporter was moved to LegoMaster because of compromised account, and I also moved from LegoMaster to Fungster also because of compromised account, in both cases, my email was removed and since at those times I did not have a committed identity I was not able to recover my account. Lock Ofreporter and LegoMaster as possible abuse. So I only chose to change my account once, not three times.

Votes

 * 1) -- 09:35, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 2) per nom User:RhinosF1 - (Quirc) (chat (on meta) ) · CA 09:39, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 3) I want to do the. <b style="color:blue">Znotch</b><b style="color:red">190711</b> (Contribs - My wiki - CA) 12:55, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 4) -- Dark Dragoon   (talk)  17:19, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 5) The reasons for creating the new accounts are flawed so the user should not continue doing so. They should be allowed if they ask a staff member and give a good reason for it. --DeeM28 (talk) 07:46, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 6) I've personally been suspicious of this user from the beginning, and I had to take an official action against them on my wiki due to harassment. The fact that they keep creating new accounts and supposedly "abandoning" the other one makes me even more suspicious. A single clean start in good-faith is one thing.. Multiple clean starts to evade scrutiny is another. Amanda Catherine (talk) 19:34, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

General Discussion
Updated User:RhinosF1 - (Quirc) (chat (on meta) ) · CA 17:47, 12 July 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section

Semantic MediaWiki
I know that this has been discussed multiple times before, but with the Referata wiki farm essentially gone (it's no longer hacked, but it's uptime is extremely inconsistent and there appear to be frequent DOS attacks targeting the site), would it be reasonable to consider Semantic MediaWiki for Miraheze? Referata was the largest wiki provider that I know of that supported SMW, and since it appears that Referata may be ready to go end-of-life, I think it would be nice for another stable wiki farm to support SMW. While I personally don't use SMW, I know people who do, and for some projects and goals, it is a very important feature. I'm not sure why we currently do not support it, and if there is anything on the technical side that needs to be done, I may be able to help (I'm an IT professional, after all). Amanda Catherine (talk) 16:28, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Apologies in advance since I'm a relatively new user to Miraheze, but I thought I would share my experiences with SMW. Going through the previous reasoning why SMW was rejected as an extension, the reasoning given was because it would heavily modify MediaWiki. I would like to add to this with my personal experiences with SMW and its performance issues it caused me as a contributor on other Wikis (mostly game-oriented Wikis).


 * I will say from the get-go that I am biased against SMW because of these experiences. When it worked, it worked. But when it didn't, it caused a lot of headache.


 * On an independently-owned Wiki I contributed to (no longer exists), during game update days, SMW would cause the site to go down. We would have to temporarily make static pages in place of the SMW pages in order to avoid page slowdowns and avoid SMW spiking resource usage. We made attempts to remedy the situation such as switching to Lua instead of Wiki Markup to render pages and upgrading the backend to keep up; however, SMW was still a huge resource hog and downtime was still happening. The site owner eventually stopped self-hosting that specific Wiki.
 * Gamepedia, a large Wiki host for games, has now deprecated the usage of SMW. I was not involved directly with this decision, but I do know that at the time (Fall 2017), SMW was causing a lot of downtime across all of Gamepedia (not just the Wikis that were using SMW). Gamepedia had to turn off SMW on a few high SMW-usage Wikis to get stability back.
 * For transparency, I was an administrator of one of those Wikis that had SMW turned off at the time. After working with Gamepedia staff for several hours in an attempt to remedy the SMW situation, eventually the conclusion was reached that SMW had to be shut off. A significantly large portion of our content broke, and it took several weeks to fix everything that was affected. I'm not familiar with how Referata handles SMW, and granted, we were using many complex and heavy SMW queries, but the fact that it was still able to bring all of Gamepedia down and the fact that it's now deprecated should definitely be a warning siren.


 * I would also like to point out that Miraheze supports the MediaWiki Cargo extension which was developed as an alternative to SMW (and SMW's ~20 different extensions) by one of the main developers of SMW (Yaron Koren). Both parties from the situations above (The independent Wiki site owner and Gamepedia) have now switched to recommending Cargo over SMW. I personally have been using it for ~2 years now and, while it's not perfect, have yet to experience any issue with it compared to the scale of the SMW issues I had to face.


 * If SMW really must be considered as a potential extension to be added again, I think the following questions should also be considered:
 * Is it worth supporting SMW compared to the performance issues it can potentially cause?
 * Is it worth the manpower that will be required to support and maintain it, knowing that Miraheze already support its alternative Cargo?


 * Apologies again if there are any mistakes or anything I may be ignorant of being a new user here, but, in my opinion, I do think adding SMW is something that should be done with caution and thought since I believe SMW's issues go beyond just technical compatibility. Elaeagnifolia (talk) 23:56, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

MatomoAnalytics is failing
On any wiki, go to Special:Analytics (it is MatomoAnalytics). Before, MatomoAnalytics gave you several statistical parameters about visits (such as websites of origin, keywords used or daily visits), but now it is only showing daily visits. Are you doing an update or is it an error? --PaladinDeGigantas (talk) 19:02, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the report, I've just alerted a sysadmin to the issue as there were changes the other day. Just to let you know, we track issues on something called Phabricator. RhinosF1 - (chat) · CA · contirbs · Rights - ) 20:24, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Tracked in T4569 RhinosF1 - (chat) · CA · contirbs · Rights - ) 20:30, 23 July 2019 (UTC)