Community noticeboard

Vote
Okay, ladies and gentlemen, I have a question for you: should we have a wiki on here like the Wiki Gazetteer on FANDOM? Put your vote in the headings below! And remember to sign your posts with ~. Tali64³ (talk) 20:33, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes

 * 1) Why not? This would not be a bad idea for someone looking for a specific wiki. --Furricane (talk) 21:57, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 2) per  InspecterAbdel (talk) 21:16, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 3) I strongly support this because we can find more specific wikis.  CircleyDoesExtracter  ( Circley Talk  |  Global   |  Email the Cloud ) 21:31, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 4) I'm not opposed to this idea, in theory, and I do think that we need to rethink Gazetteer of wikis given that we have ~3,800 current wikis (which is too large for a single page). My main concern, which I expressed in declining the wiki request, was that this may suffer from lack of maintenance and timely updates. As well, by siphoning it away from Meta, we now have yet another wiki we have to somehow promote, so that sort of defeats the purpose of a gazetteer of wikis designed to promote customers' public wikis, doesn't it? Secondarily, I honestly think a better way to go about this is to add additional functionality and data output to the automated list, Special:WikiDiscover. That said, it's a good-faith idea, in theory and if well-maintained, so that is why I am expressing some support, albeit weak. Dmehus (talk) 23:18, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 5) I think this will help in finding wikis. Admittedly, there was once a list on Wikia, but we've dropped it. Onmp314 (talk) 16:23, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

No

 * 1)  I don't see the need for an entire wiki like this. We already have a page here on meta, Gazetteer of wikis. And in all honesty, a page on meta will most likely be given more notice than another external wiki that some will never visit. As such I am opposing this idea. While a good thought I don't see the need for it. I mean if you want it, go for you, but I don't think it should be a community wiki at all.  15:01, 13 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * There are wikis currently on Miraheze, too big to list on one page. An administrator could put a link to it on the main page. Tali64³ (talk) 16:35, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * We also have Special:WikiDiscover which lists every wiki on Miraheze. 14:18, 16 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * 1)  Not needed.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 06:29, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)  if there were a lot of people to add entries for wikis with short descriptions that would work for me but right now I think that the Meta gazeteer is enough and is helpful. DeeM28 (talk) 07:33, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 3) A wiki for this is unnecessary, Gazetteer of wikis on Meta works fine. If there was a way to automate it with Special:WikiDiscover, I might rethink it, but otherwise this would likely get really outdated long-term. K599 (talk) 20:12, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Discussion

 * 1) I'm currently been slowly working on a similar idea over the past month or two just documenting wikis: the Wikiverse. dibbydib 23:38, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 2) As a Miraheze wiki creator, when this wiki truly passes through us for approval (I have recently accidentally approved this wiki sent in by, which due to the ongoing discussion and the incorrect subdomain is currently pending steward review for deletion), it is important for us to know when to approve the wiki and who will be creating it. Therefore, who will be the founding Bureaucrat of the wiki if it passes community discussion?  14:59, 13 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * I would be the founder. Tali64³ (talk) 23:23, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * When having community discussions like these, who will be the founder is among what should be discussed. I believe who should be the founder should be among what is discussed here. Thanks! 02:10, 15 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * 1) Relisting for another couple of weeks. Dmehus (talk) 05:20, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * 2) Relisting for another several weeks. Dmehus (talk) 11:42, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

A new wiki for the website's community
The Miraheze Community Wiki is a wiki for the community so people can get to know each other and welcome each other. I know Meta does that, but I think we need a wiki for that stuff.

Support

 * 1) I think we need a wiki for this kind of thing InspecterAbdel (talk) 22:44, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 2) but not per any of the above or below, but because community noticeboard has become a catch-all for technical support questions, community discussions, and really anything. The organization is weak, and we could use a community wiki. I have no objections to it, but the main reason for my oppose  weak support here is because the purpose is somewhat vague and unclear. I appreciate  bringing this for a community discussion, though, and, since this wiki was simultaneously submitted for approval and created already, I think we should probably shift this wiki towards defining a clear purpose and terms of reference for its existence and the parameters by which the local   can be removed (via Community noticeboard) here on Meta. Dmehus (talk) 14:55, 28 July 2020 (UTC)  Amended. Moved from weak oppose to weak support Dmehus (talk) 15:31, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 3) I think we should have one since fandom has one. Plus it's subdomain is valuable too. AppleCrunchy (talk) 19:16, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Abstain

 * 1) I really like to have a community wiki for new users to gather, although we have a Community noticeboard.  CircleyDoesExtracter  ( Circley Talk  |  Global   |  Email the Cloud ) 17:09, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) . No, we don't need such a wiki.  This page ("community noticeboard") is exactly for this kind of thing.  I don't want to have to check both this page and a dedicated wiki to find out what is happening on the wiki farm, nor learn how such a wiki is organized.   04:25, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 2) Per Spike. There is already not enough engagement and usage on Meta, so another wiki is really not what we need. We should focus on Meta. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 06:08, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 3) . We DO NOT need a community wiki is needed at this time. We already have this page, the community noticeboard, and Requests for Permissions, requests for global rights and requests for stewardship. It seems that it would serve the same service as as most of this meta wiki, and I just see no possible usage for this. I also agree with the comments that has made about having to go back and forth between meta and a community wiki. Sorry, it is just not going to work. --Furricane (talk) 15:10, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm hoping you'll consider amending your !vote, per my comments above, as I really don't think 's goal was for this wiki to replace Meta. The problem with this request is that (a) the wiki shouldn't have been created without a community discussion (not, technically, a requirement, as far as I'm aware, but good practice) and (b) it should've had a clearer purpose, scope, and defined parameters, as we are doing with Dev Wiki and have done with Template Wiki and Miraheze Commons in the past. No community proposals or discussions, or even drafts of such proposals, would've occurred on this wiki. Rather, as I saw it (though vague and unclear), this wiki was meant to be a user collaboration and social connection wiki that would've actually sought to deepen community participation. Participation in this community wiki would've been completely voluntary and not participating would not have meant the user would "miss out" on important community discussions, as I don't think that was ever the intent behind 's good-faith proposal. Dmehus (talk) 15:27, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 1)  Not needed.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 06:34, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)  I do not think another wiki is necessary for the community because for me Meta is the wiki for the community. DeeM28 (talk) 07:30, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 3) This is unnecessary, Meta already serves essentially the same purpose, and there's not really enough of that kind of "community" activity to need a separate wiki. K599 (talk) 20:27, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Comments

 * I think the subject is not whether we need a community wiki or not, as we already have a community-centric wiki, but whether we need a miraheze-sanctioned community wiki.I think CN is sufficient, but it seems unusual for a topic to be set up for communication purposes, so someone may need to give an example. I found an image on ja.wiktionary.org showing the stroke order of my name, so it might be a good idea to post it, but it takes courage to be the first one. --松•Matsu (talk) 22:53, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Relist to delay archiving. I will be posting an updated proposal on next steps in the next several days. Dmehus (talk) 02:30, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Relist to delay archiving. I will be posting an updated proposal on next steps in the next several days. Dmehus (talk) 01:36, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Relist to delay archiving. I will be posting an updated proposal on next steps in the next several days. Dmehus (talk) 05:21, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

A community Developers wiki
I have a proposition for the Miraheze community. For a while now I have been debating whether or not to create a developers wiki for Miraheze. Unlike the template wiki, this wiki will include CSS and JS scripts that anyone can import using, it will allow anyone who wants it to use scripts built by the community in their own wikis and/or in their own personal global or local JavaScript or CSS files. After consulting with on Discord, I decided to get the communities feedback and/or support on this idea, therefore what does the Miraheze community think of this idea? 22:53, 24 July 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * Yeah, though I don't think it's required to have a community discussion in this case, since it's going to be a community wiki for shared CSS and JavaScript files, among other things potentially, I thought it would be a good practice to have the discussion, especially if it proposes to use the name "Miraheze." Plus, I think it would be helpful for the community to (a) define the initial scope and purpose and (b) establish the founding bureaucrats for the wiki. From there, the local community can help to establish its local policies and further refine its purpose. In general terms, I support this as a community wiki as I think it is sufficiently different than the Template and Miraheze Bots + Tools wikis. I also think it could be useful at reducing the page load times of community-imported and -maintained user scripts, as opposed to always loading them from English Wikipedia and other wikis. Dmehus (talk) 23:17, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * yes, some of that is part of my initial thoughts for the reasoning of the wiki. As for using the name Miraheze in it, I think it should be called Miraheze Developers Wiki or something similar. As for bureaucrats of the wiki, any candidate recommendations? And I think a community discussion for this is a good idea. It gives the community a way to give input, and their own unique ideas in it as well. 23:39, 24 July 2020 (UTC) ］ |


 * As proposer I support this, but also because I know JS and CSS pretty well, and would love to have a wiki like this for the Miraheze community. 23:39, 24 July 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * This is a great idea for a new wiki. I think that by doing this, lots of new coding things could be enabled, including possibly global modules and gadgets. Great suggestion. I also have no concerns for this proposal. --Furricane (talk) 23:27, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * yes, I do believe that a wiki like this could be greatly beneficial in the long run, or at least I hope it can be. 23:39, 24 July 2020 (UTC) ］ |


 * I support this idea because not everyone can do custom CSS and (or) custom JS. Onmp314 (talk) 16:57, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good idea for having a central place to import JS and CSS. K599 (talk) 20:39, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * per my comments above. Dmehus (talk) 21:00, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Good. Waldo (talk) 21:56, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Potential rename and/or expanded scope of Dev Wiki
asked me a few days, or perhaps a week, ago if I had posted in this discussion thread about the potential renaming and expanded scope for Dev Wiki yet. Other tasks took priority, but seeing as this thread was due to be archived in the next day or so, I wanted to get this done. So, I'm going to ping those that participated above and those who participated in the discussion on potential name ideas/expanded scope on Discord.

So, the question is...given that the  subdomain implies broader usage by and for developers beyond just CSS and JavaScript scripts,  and I (did I forget anyone, ?) basically toyed around with a number of potential new names and subdomains, the top three of which is identified below:


 * 1) Retain   and expand the scope, or allow the community, via a future community noticeboard discussion to expand the scope at some point in the future;
 * 2) Rename subdomain to , which would be roughly in line with the current purpose and scope, but open to possibilities later (again, the community would retain the right modify the scope via a community noticeboard discussion); or,
 * 3) Rename subdomain to , with a narrow scope; limits us in the future, but entirely accurate; it's not too bad, as we could easily create a separate dev later, though we should reserve that subdomain in the blacklist)

Since didn't participate in the Discord discussion and since this doesn't require any advanced rights to close, I nominate him to assess the consensus and close this discussion in a week or two. --Dmehus (talk) 00:01, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of RhinosF1 as closer
, please indicate if you would be willing to close this discussion after 1-2 weeks (depending on the weather-related impacts to U.S. eastern seaboard residents).

Additionally, can I get a seconder to second this nomination? (Thought we could probably safely skip a full vote on nominating an uninvolved closer.)


 * Accepted:  ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  19:19, 7 August 2020 (UTC) (as nominated closer)
 * Moved: Dmehus (talk) 00:01, 7 August 2020 (UTC) (as nominator)
 * Seconded: 02:37, 9 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * Procedural comment: This has been relisted for another two weeks. Dmehus (talk) 12:57, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Procedural comment: This has been relisted for another two weeks. Dmehus (talk) 13:41, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Voting and Vote Tabulation Instructions
You are encouraged to express first and second choices in your !vote. Please do so by indicating, in your !vote for each proposal, whether it is your first or second choice. If no proposal achieves more than 50% of the valid !votes cast, the proposal with the least number of first choice !votes will be dropped, and those users' second choices will then be allocated accordingly, and the results retabulated in a second count.

Support

 * 1)   02:41, 9 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * 2)  as first choice, since the community remains overall authority over this wiki in terms of its   removal (as may be required) and in terms of redefining, or broadening, its scope. Dmehus (talk) 11:50, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 3)  I think there is no need to rename. Onmp314 (talk) 16:57, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * 4) Looks nice, and is easy to understand. K599 (talk) 20:47, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Neutral/Abstain
This is arguably kind of useless, in this case, since the !votes won't be counted, but I'll nonetheless include it.

Neutral/Abstain
This is arguably kind of useless, in this case, since the !votes won't be counted, but I'll nonetheless include it.
 * 1)  I like this idea as well, but it feels like it has other non-computer science-related use cases (i.e., for an archival- or museum-type wiki). Dmehus (talk) 11:50, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Neutral/Abstain
This is arguably kind of useless, in this case, since the !votes won't be counted, but I'll nonetheless include it.
 * 1)  I also liked 's idea, as it is the most specific and clearly defines this wiki's current purpose, but, at the same time, it really does restrict a future broadening of this wiki's scope to include a broader array of wiki developer resources, for which the community retains the absolute authority to redefine this wiki's purpose via community noticeboard. Dmehus (talk) 11:50, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

I can embed YT videos: how about Vimeo, niconico, and others?
Such as here. Thanks :) DMBFFF (talk) 05:59, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The YouTube extension has tags to embed niconico videos, just like tags. For other video services, you can enable mw:Extension:Widgets and copy the corresponding widget from this website. Note that some video services might not work if they aren't on the CSP whitelist, so you would have to open a phabricator task to add those sites. K599 (talk) 18:13, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I copied from here, to make this, and it still doesn't work for Vimeo, though your suggestion for niconico does. DMBFFF (talk) 06:52, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Seems like you didn't call the Vimeo widget correctly in that page, the correct syntax would be . You should also undo this edit, as the previous revision is the correct one. Finally, I looked at Miraheze's CSP whitelist, and they don't have *.vimeo.com on there, so you would need to open a phabricator task to add *.vimeo.com to the CSP whitelist. K599 (talk) 16:54, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for assisting here, and for your observation that   is not in the CSP whitelist. So, I've created the task on Phabricator proactively, and its status can be tracked at T6129. Dmehus (talk) 17:08, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, thank you for assisting me, and you too. May both of you be requited for your help. :)    DMBFFF (talk) 01:51, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * So what do I do now? DMBFFF (talk) 07:48, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I might suggest following 's advice earlier in this discussion, now that Phabricator ticket #T6129 has been resolved by and   has been added to the Content Security Policy (CSP) whitelist. Dmehus (talk) 16:19, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I thought I did. Thanks for whitelisting Vimeo; and something seems embedded in my sandbox, but nothing I can seem to play, nor is the Vimeo video "private." DMBFFF (talk) 06:49, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, it's somewhat working. This https://vimeo.com/groups/173360/videos/13796779 doesn't work, but this https://vimeo.com/66454459 does, though I've yet to be able to alter height and width in mh:fictionandfictionalsettingswiki:User:DMBFFF/Sandbox. DMBFFF (talk) 08:01, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * You should be able to adjust the height and width with . K599 (talk) 20:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yep, it seems to be working. Thanks K599.  :)   DMBFFF (talk) 20:37, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

May we create the mirror site of mediawiki.org?
As everyone knows, users in China cannot visit some site of Wikimedia, such as zh.wikipedia.org or mediawiki.org (It works at a few time of July)

Wikipedia has lots of mirror site in China. For example the WanWeiBaiKe.

Now mediawiki.org does not work in China. And it has lots of helps about using Mediawiki, especially extensions and versions. It is important.

Then I have a thinking: may we create the mirror site of mediawiki.org like wikipedia?

Or, create some infowikis. Such as MediawikiExtensionWiki, MediawikiHelpingWiki, MediawikiVersionsWiki, and so on.

I do not have enough power .It is only throw away a brick in order to get a gem.

--开炸弹车 (talk) 03:46, 13 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Would this result in all of Miraheze becoming inaccessible in China too?  16:54, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * raises a good philosophical question. As I understand it, users from China already have to request either a local or global IP block exemption on Miraheze, so this wouldn't be my primary argument against this. My main concern would be both the timeliness and accuracy of keeping the forked MediaWiki.org website up to date, to be honest. It's a good-faith idea, and I can't say I'd be opposed, per se, but I'd want to see an exhaustive and thorough proposal, to be sure. Dmehus (talk) 18:13, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, some wikis of Miraheze are inaccessible. For exameple the [//uncyclopedia.miraheze.org/ uncyclopedia]. And unnews is all right. So I think do not worry about all of Miraheze becoming inaccessible. With all due respect, Miraheze permit obscene(Esu) Wiki is more dangerous than this. 开炸弹车 (talk) 02:02, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The "esu" wiki(s) you cited were indeed shut down, deleted, and are now kaput by stewards. As a wiki creator, I take a critical eye to proposed new Chinese language wikis with vague or unclear descriptions, and routinely decline them as such. Dmehus (talk) 02:33, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It is sure. I have got some information about the mirror site of zhwikipedia. They use upload.wikimedia.org (it is not inaccessible now) to see media file. And we can also use leading-out and leading-in. Most of wiki uses reverse proxy开炸弹车 (talk) 03:12, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

I requests one wiki about mediawiki extensions.开炸弹车 (talk) 07:27, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

In other languages
Hello,

How do I add other languages to my wiki? (in the menu on the right?)(Add links, add interlanguage links). Thank you :) - Lois (talk) 09:22, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi. You can enable UniversalLanguageSelector and Translate via Special:ManageWiki/extensions :) Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 10:29, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Thanks your answer. Yes, I know that. It works. I'm sorry, I wrote my question wrong. So on the left is a menu item: In other languages, Add links. When does it work? Need to create an English or other language wiki too? (The language of my wiki is Hungarian) :) - Lois (talk) 12:17, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Is your hope the same as the Sidebar of Wikipedia? If true, as far as I know, it only give urls to jump. -开炸弹车 (talk) 00:52, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Those are added from interlanguage links to other separate wikis. You'd need an interwiki admin to add the interlanguage prefixes for your wiki. Then you'd add something like Title in English to the respective page. K599 (talk) 17:22, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * All you need is that–do not forget to put on your pages a following code, but remember to wrap the tags in less than and greater than  signs, which cannot be used for illustrative purposes as they appear to be incompatible with the   tags) Inserted text added by Dmehus (talk) 13:45, 29 September 2020 (UTC):
 * That way you prepare the page for translation. After saving, click on "translate this page" to indicate to translators that this page is available for translation.
 * Then a translator creates additional pages like PageName/bg, where /bg or /he be the two letters of language code. Plus, translated pages would be found in subcategories of YourCategory with suffix /bg or /he. Helper (talk) 13:11, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I found that for multi-language full support there is an extension:
 * Extension:ContentTranslation
 * along side of Extension:Translate
 * check this out: Content translation/Templates
 * it depends on another eight additional extensions: Extension:ContentTranslation#Extension dependencies
 * as well you would need Extension:LanguageCode
 * and Extension:UILangCode
 * Do not forget about this: Help:Magic words - Technical metadata of another page
 * --Helper (talk) 13:20, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 * it depends on another eight additional extensions: Extension:ContentTranslation#Extension dependencies
 * as well you would need Extension:LanguageCode
 * and Extension:UILangCode
 * Do not forget about this: Help:Magic words - Technical metadata of another page
 * --Helper (talk) 13:20, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

I need help to disable Universallanguageselector extension
I have enabled Universallanguageselector extension. Now I cannot disable it. Kindly advice .--Emad4ald (talk) 08:45, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * To manage the extensions on your wiki, you have to go to the Special:ManageWiki/extensions page, a link to which should be in the wiki's left sidebar. Once there, you should see the list of extensions, which starts with 3D, AddThis, and HTML Meta and Title. Scroll down the alphabetical list until you reach the Universal Langauge Selector extension, or use CTRL+F to search the page for it. Assuming that it's enabled, it will have a blue checkbox, which you should click to disable. Once you have disabled it, to confirm your modification you return to the top of the page, click on the "Submit" tab, enter your reason for making the modification, and click the blue Submit button. After that, the extension should be disabled. - CoolieCoolster (talk) 02:31, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * @CoolieCoolster: I did this before . No response; I think it is a bug. I have reported this issue to https://phabricator.miraheze.org/. Thanks Emad4ald (talk) 07:41, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * May be you talk about Extension:LanguageSelector, I disabed it, and never used again. It shows bold language chooser dropdown menu bar just on top of every page. Also, disable on Special:ManageWiki/extensions page. Helper (talk) 13:05, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Editing sidebar
Hello,

Sorry for the error. How do I edit the side menu in my wiki? How to create new menus? Because I typed a menu but didn’t accept it, because there was an error in it: The requested page title contains invalid characters: "%C3". Thanks :) - Lois (talk) 16:03, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe the sidebar likely has acceptable character limitations, likely due to the way in which the MediaWiki regex is followed. If you have a look at MediaWiki:Sidebar, you can follow that syntax. For translations of interface messages, though, you should use translatewiki.net, the updates for which are piped in to to Miraheze (presumably with a modest time lag/delay). If you are wanting to translate the links to specific pages linked in your sidebar, you can create a MediaWiki namespace interface page titled exactly as the full page name (including namespace) of the page being translated followed by the backslash and the applicable language to which you wish to translate that link. In the page content, you specify the name of that page in that language. For example, if I wanted to translate the Community noticeboard link into Swedish in the sidebar, I would format it as . In the page content, I would specify the Swedish translation of that page name. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 16:23, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, thank you so much for your exhaustive help, this little description helped a lot :) Then tomorrow I will have time to edit and learn wiki editing. I will honestly say that it's a very good time for me to be here and to edit or to learn. :) - Lois (talk) 16:42, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. Don't hesitate to follow up with any related questions to this thread, if within the next week or two; otherwise, you can always start a new thread. :) Dmehus (talk) 16:47, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Some links to study: (Helper (talk) 07:50, 29 September 2020 (UTC))
 * https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Sidebar
 * MediaWiki:Sidebar
 * MediaWiki:Mainpage
 * MediaWiki:Mainpage/en where /en is language code of user interface.

I can’t upload images
I tried to update images on Different History Wiki, but I only get an error message every time. Trevor807 (talk) 18:23, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * First, please note that I have procedurally moved your question from stewards' noticeboard to this noticeboard, where it is now in scope. Second, can you give us exactly what error message you receiving? Thank you. Dmehus (talk) 18:32, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

How do you edit the top bar of wikis?
You know, the bar that contains your username and preferences? Thank u, next, Eiji (talk) 19:39, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * This is a good question and, though I'm not sure this can be done by modifying the interface messages, it may be possible with your wiki's common.css file. I would think that this would be a good question for either of . Dmehus (talk) 20:57, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * This line is called a portlet, and the items in it are simply links to other pages. You can indeed affect its appearance, including making some items invisible, by edits to MediaWiki:common.css (for all users) or to User:EijiZeBoi/common.css (for yourself only).  You can do more complicated things, such as rearrange them or insert code, by editing the corresponding common.js file.  I do a little of this with jQuery here on Meta in my User:Spike/common.js.  In Firefox, you can use Tools / Inspector to find out what each element's ID is.   22:08 27-Sep-2020

Will be preparing for upgrade to 1.35?
Soon. 180.191.142.223 12:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * 180.191.142.223 Yes, absolutely, this is one of the top priorities for system administrators, and the upgrade is likely to occur in the next one to three weeks. Dmehus (talk) 14:28, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Help required: Cargo extension recurring events (Template:Event Infobox)

 * Wikis:
 * magic.miraheze.org
 * testcargo.miraheze.org

Hello guys. After testing Extension:JsCalendar and finding several things we are not happy with, we decided to go on learning Cargo, which could be used for storing many variety things, included events, and Cargo Calendar wins for truly multi-language support and easy way collecting information from pages by posting Infoboxes and easy editing with PageForms. We spent a several days to learn and experimenting with Cargo on testcargo.miraheze.org and our magic.miraheze.org wikis. The building tables is learned. There are many examples we found on the Internet. But we stuck with creating a Calendar with recurring events, and no examples found, except some hints:
 * Extension talk:Cargo/Archive August to October 2019#Recurring Event Syntax
 * Extension talk:Cargo/Archive March to April 2020

Still not clear how to make it working. Could somebody kindly help us out by posting a working template? The source, served as an example to build a working one-time events Calendar was https://icannwiki.org/index.php?title=Template:Event. --Helper (talk) 21:19, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

How to make interwiki link?
like gomdoli.miraheze.org. --Gomdoli4696 (talk) 23:23, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for posting this question on the correct noticeboard. There are two types of interwiki links, those which use prefixes from the interwiki table on a given wiki and MirahezeMagic interwiki wikilinks, which are a sort of pseudo-interwiki wikilink for Miraheze wikis. The former will work on pages and in edit summaries and log actions, while the latter will currently only work on pages. Each wiki has a Special:Interwiki interwiki table that is inclusive of both global and local interwiki tables. Any local interwiki prefixes override the global prefixes. Any interwiki administrator can add interwiki prefixes to any wiki's local interwiki table, except the global interwiki table on Meta. Other than AllTheTropes wiki, it is usually not necessary to add Miraheze customer wikis to the global interwiki table, notably because it would get unwieldy in a short hurry. So, with that in mind, what is that you would like to do? If you just want to link to your wiki, you would use a MirahezeMagic interwiki wikilink, like . Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 23:42, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * If you would like to add interwiki prefixes to your wiki's interwiki table, you follow the example set by Community noticeboard/Archive 12 in starting a new thread on community noticeboard. I should also mention that it is possible to become a local interwiki administrator on your wiki. Currently, requirements are that you must hold  rights on the local wiki and, for larger wikis, show some evidence of support for you holding that position. Simply start a local election or selection page on your local wiki, then go to stewards' noticeboard, linking to your local wiki's election page, and a steward will grant you local interwiki administrator rights on your wiki. Hope this also helps. Dmehus (talk) 23:49, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Some links to study:
 * Help:Interwiki linking
 * Extension:Interwiki
 * Extension:InterwikiMap
 * Manual:Interwiki table -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helper (talk • contribs) 23:56, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

I want to change URL on my wiki
How to change "Entry point URLs"(on Special:Version)? to Where can I request this?
 * NOTE: mh:Gomdoli:

Thanks, Gomdoli4696 (talk) 02:08, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't believe these access URLs can be set on a wiki-specific basis, as those files refer to the relevant MediaWiki  configuration files on the web server. Thus,   doesn't exist locally on the server. Potentially, it could exist as an empty folder, with a 301 web redirect to , but to what end? I'll ping system administrator  to this thread to offer a second opinion, but I'm going to (somewhat) BOLDly say this ❌ for technical reasons. Dmehus (talk) 13:28, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

89AnimeChampMaster couldn't sign in
I've heard that 89AnimeChampMaster is having trouble with logging in. He has tried may times to log in but he has never actually gotten to logging in. Is there some way for a Miraheze staff member to email 89AnimeChampMaster about his login issues? - DeltaRuneFan2001 (talk) 03:01, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Please have e-mail   with any technical issues he may be having with being unable to login, and a Miraheze system administrator, after first determining the error he is receiving, will help him appropriately. It could range from a client-side issue whereby 89AnimeChampMaster just needs to delete his Miraheze web browser cookies and browsing history to a forgotten password issue whereby 89AnimeChampMaster simply needs to have a new password sent to his registered e-mail address to something server-side (i.e., potentially caught up as collateral in a global IP rangeblock requiring a global IP block exemption, for which he'd be referred to  ). But, without the exact error, it's difficult to assist, particularly when said user is not here. Dmehus (talk) 13:22, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Page with usage of tag "math" is not displayed correctly
Hi, I have several pages with use of  e.g. this page. I tried several browsers, but not of them displayed the page correctly. What happened? Lily (Lilypond Wiki · talk and I will listen · my little garden ) 06:39, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Probably related to T6146. K599 (talk) 19:18, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Lily (Lilypond Wiki · talk and I will listen · my little garden ) 07:34, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

ParserFunctions
Do you know how to enable StringFunctions? They don't work. Cozy Glow (talk) 07:44, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It works on our wiki, at least that:
 * If lower case is needed, use lc: function to control output:
 * → one
 * — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helper (talk • contribs) 12:40, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * But these functions  don't work. Cozy Glow (talk) 15:20, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * have you enabled it in Special:ManageWiki/settings#mw-section-edit of your wiki (Enable string function functionality ($wgPFEnableStringFunctions))?. Hispano76 (talk) 18:32, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, I have fully forgotten to do this. Thank you for reminding. Cozy Glow (talk) 19:00, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

JsCalendar not on list of installed extensions
is missing on Miraheze Extensions

By the way, Extension:Calendar-Wikivoyage, which is installed on Miraheze, is missing on Mediawiki Calendars. Helper (talk) 12:33, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Firstly, as an organizational and formatting matter, could you format new threads on community noticeboard with a concise, several word summary of your request, and then state your full question in the body of your thread? That is, please do not begin your question in the section header and conclude your question in the first or second line of the body, as it makes for difficult reading by others. Second, while not essential, please consider using wikilinks and interwiki wikilinks as an alternative to external links. Finally, regarding your question, please note that the Extensions page is not, and may never be, an exhaustive list of all extensions enabled on Miraheze. For the complete list, please see this Miraheze GitHub repository (note this will change to the  tree when Miraheze upgrades to MediaWiki 1.35). You, or anyone, is most welcome to add additional approved extensions from that repository to the Extensions page, but please make sure to use Special:MyLanguage and   tags where and when appropriate, and, of course, double-check your work for typographical and grammatical errors. Dmehus (talk) 13:15, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The topic is available for deletion. I went to that page and done editings. This problem is solved. Or you can leave this topic just for educational purpose, which was not the goal of this specific topic creation. In my point of view this post is absolutely unnecessary on Miraheze. The last reply discourage me to visit this noticeboard. Helper (talk) 15:22, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your follow up question, and for your requesting clarification. It is my pleasure to assist in helping to provide that clarification. Generally speaking, with limited exceptions, we don't "delete" topics from noticeboards and talk pages; we archive them. On community noticeboard, you've noted one of the main reason(s) for this archiving: so the thread can potentially assist other users and Mirahezians who have the same question. I hope this clarifies, and look forward to continuing to assist you where I am able. :) Dmehus (talk) 15:52, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

How do I create new wikis?
Please tell me how to create a new wiki? — Preceding unsigned comment added by The-D*vil (talk • contribs) 17:51, 29 September 2020‎
 * Regular users may not directly create wikis, they can request them and they will be approved or declined by a wiki creator. Please also remember to sign your post using 4 tildes ( ~ ) Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 17:55, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Recent Changes
In Ain't It Funny?, I no longer show up in Recent Changes but everyone else can due to an error than one of the admins have put. Can you please help me fix it? ItMeansNothing (talk) 18:52, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I have moved this question to this noticeboard from stewards' noticeboard, where it is now in scope. Someone will answer your question shortly, but will likely need more detail in terms of the problem. Can you articulate exactly what the issue is? It could be anything at this point. Dmehus (talk) 19:01, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Copyright Violations
Photos play important part on my wiki(s). Album covers, book covers, movie posters, photos of people and events are just few examples of media files I plan to include on my wiki(s). I know it's important to ask for permission when posting copyrighted content but, in my case, it would be very long and tedious process to ask copyright holder's permission for each photo I post. However, I'm pretty sure my usage of media files would fall under fair use but I'm not sure if a fair use law is applicable on Miraheze. For the record, I don't need to post high resolution photos, I am perfectly fine with posting smaller resolution photos (practice pretty common on Wikipedia when it comes to copyrighted content). But, it's important for me to be able to post (sometimes copyrighted) photos for illustrative, educational and referential purposes. Otherwise, my wiki(s) wouldn't be complete. So, Miraheze guys, do you think I could get permission to post copyrighted photos under the fair use rule on my wiki(s) without infringing on Miraheze's terms of use? Luka Ibrišimović (talk) 20:27, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It's a good question, and prudent of you to ask this question, but in answer to your question, yes, I think that it is absolutely in keeping with fair use and fair dealing laws in your country. As Miraheze just hosts the wiki, the applicable fair use/fair dealing laws are applicable to the wiki owner(s), as I understand it. So, you should be fine. That being said, if a rights owner complained that your use was not in keeping with fair use/fair dealing (i.e., not being used in a minimal) way, we would simply remove the offending content, but would never shut down a wiki for a single or even a few copyright complaints. As a general rule, I would recommend limiting the number of copyrighted images to one per unique rights owner on a given page on your wiki. You should also establish a local policy governing Fair Use or Fair Dealing, too. Dmehus (talk) 20:45, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, you've been most helpful! Luka Ibrišimović (talk) 20:54, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem, and, of course, if you have any public domain or CreativeCommons-licensed images, or copyrighted images you created yourself, you can upload them on Miraheze Commons for use on any Miraheze wiki. :) Dmehus (talk) 21:00, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Would you like to discuss about posting pictures with pictures owners and post about it on wiki? It would be the straight forward simplest solution. Miraheze is just a middleman who will delete your wiki in case of such request from pictures owner. Helper (talk) 14:13, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I understand your question, but to your last sentence, that is absolutely untrue. If are you not certain about something, in terms of a Miraheze policy or non-codified custom, convention, or practice, please avoid speculating, and simply refrain from saying anything. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 14:40, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * What exactly is untrue ? Please be more specific. Helper (talk) 15:14, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I did think I was pretty clear in that where I referred to the last sentence. Specifically, where you say that Miraheze "will delete your wiki in case of such request from pictures owner" (sic). That's simply not not true. Firstly, it really depends on the nature and context of the complaint, including from where the complaint originated, in order to determine whether it's within system administrators' or stewards' purview. Generally speaking, though, stewards, assisted to a somewhat lesser extent by experienced Global Sysops, enforce copyright complaints, typically in the form of deleting the infringing content not the wiki (as I already indicated in my above reply), and where multiple violations occur over a short timeframe, they would follow it up with a warning/firmer warning, as applicable, to local bureaucrats. Hope this clarifies. Dmehus (talk) 15:47, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Would doing what Wikipedia does in their articles about albums and the like be useful? DMBFFF (talk) 20:42, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

How to make a page like this a talk page?
This page&mdash;community noticeboard is a main namespace page. But in the top, it has a "Create Topic" button. How to do that&mdash;make a page like a talk page. --开炸弹车 (talk) 05:03, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I hope you don't mind that I fixed a few minor typos and formatting errors in your question. Anyway, to answer your question, this can actually be done on any page, whether a talk, user talk, main namespace, or project namespace page. It really doesn't matter where or in what namespace it is located. If you have a look at Community noticeboard/header, the header for this page, you will see there is a that is used to create a text box to create a topic. You can even get fancier than that by adding an   notice (basically like an editnotice) and a   that prepopulates text in the body of the message. For an example of this, see the subpages of Requests for permissions. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 05:18, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Never mind. With your reminding, I have seen the header of community noticeboard. In the header, it has a magic word  to add the link for button. (Maybe my introduction is a bit wrong.) Now I solve my problem. Thanks a lot. I think I need to learn magic words well. 开炸弹车 (talk) 05:33, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. Yeah, magic words and parser functions are both very useful and helpful. They're a bit daunting at first, but, once you understand the basics of them, they help a lot. See also this MediaWiki help page. Dmehus (talk) 14:31, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Template Wiki / Global Interwiki prefixes
Hi, I have several questions. Is it allowed to create own templates in the template wiki? If yes, would it be possible to add a new interwiki prefix for the template wiki e.g. "t" because "templatewiki" is much text. Alternative could you please create a new interwiki prefix "lily" for my Lilypond Wiki? So I could use templates from there in my other wikis which would save me a lot of work. Thank you very much Lily (Lilypond Wiki · talk and I will listen · my little garden ) 11:21, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your question regarding interwiki prefixes. I would be very hesitant, and reluctant, to add single-character prefixes to the global interwiki table here on Meta, mainly because of the huge ambiguity in what they could potentially refer to. More importantly, though, changes to the global interwiki table are currently undergoing a draft a RfC that should go live in several weeks (hopefully). These changes will mainly seek to specify on which wiki the global interwiki table is to be based, who is eligible to edit the global interwiki table, and under what conditions the global interwiki table is to be edited. Nevertheless, I will add that shortcut to your Lilypond Wiki local interwiki table. Dmehus (talk) 14:11, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I have ✅ the  prefix for Template Wiki to the Lilypond Wiki's local interwiki table with both the forward and transclude flags enabled, per your request. When importing by uploaded XML file, you should now be able to use the   prefix to have users' edits from Template Wiki associated to their Template Wiki profiles (or local Lilypond profiles, where they exist locally). For transwiki importation, if you use that, a GitHub pull request will likely need to be done for your wiki to add this local prefix to the   variable for your local wiki. I wasn't quite sure about the second part of your request, though. To which wiki(s)' local interwiki tables did you want Lilypond Wiki added to? If you wanted that added to the global interwiki table, as the global interwiki table would become very unwieldy in a very short hurry if we added customers' wikis to the global interwiki table, we instead opt to use MirahezeMagic interwiki wikilinks, formatted as  . I am to add the   interwiki prefix to your other wikis' local interwiki tables, if you wish, and also to do the GitHub pull request for Lilypond Wiki. Dmehus (talk) 14:25, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your answer. If I had lily as interwiki-prefix in my other wikis meingarten and regionalbahnstattbus I could use all the templates from lilypond in this wikis. I still do not know if it is allowed to add templates to the template wiki for ordinary users like me who are not part of the Miraheze stuff. Lily (Lilypond Wiki · talk and I will listen · my little garden ) 15:27, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, you didn't ask me, but my opinion is that the Template Wiki is for experimentation/development and general-use templates, and not for templates that are merely common to your own wikis. Putting a template on Template Wiki would be like creating a page on Meta to better explain something on your own wikis.  It might be, and you might start a thread on this page claiming, that a given template is so ideal for general use that it belongs on Template Wiki.  Until that time, I think your approach with interwiki prefixes is the correct way.   15:50 4-Oct-2020
 * Hi, thank you for your opinion. You are right, the interwiki prefix in my local wiki tables would be the best solution for me, Lily (Lilypond Wiki · talk and I will listen · my little garden ) 17:20, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. I've added the  interwiki prefix to both of those added local wikis' interwiki tables. I should note that you should be able to import templates locally from Lilypond wiki using the file upload (i.e., uploaded XML file) method. If you want to use the transwiki import method, we'll have to add do a GitHub pull request for both of those wikis to add   as a   import source in the drop-down menu. I enabled the "forward" flags, but not the "transclude" flag. The latter allows for scary transclusion, to transclude a page from another wiki without importing it. It generally works fine for basic pages, but for templates, since there are template dependencies needed on both wikis, it can be, well, scary. Nevertheless, should you wish for that flag to be enabled, ping me on reply to this thread, or begin a new thread if already archived. To add to what  said, yeah, anyone can absolutely add templates to Template Wiki. It's a community wiki, albeit not very active of late. The challenge there, too, is with few active local administrators, it can be a challenge to have certain templates imported. Of course, one can always request local   permissions at the community portal, especially if needed for template importation. But, as you said, for your needs, it makes sense to concentrate your templates on Lilypond wiki. Dmehus (talk) 18:25, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * P.S. One more thing related to your regionalbahnstattbus wiki...I noticed that you have not assigned the  and   to the user group. Was this by design/your intention, or was this an oversight? I usually like to remove my user page from my watchlist on wikis where I visit, so wasn't able to do this. Not a big deal if this was your intention, but just thought I'd mention it if it was an oversight. Dmehus (talk) 18:25, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * thank you very much. The thing with the watchlist is an oversight, nobody is visiting this wiki anyway. I have changed the rights, Lily (Lilypond Wiki · talk and I will listen · my little garden ) 18:32, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, that's great. Thanks so much! I should also mention that, though interwiki administrator is most commonly known as a global role, one can request local interwiki administrator rights on their wiki. I'm currently drafting an interwiki reform RfC, but in the meantime, current global requirements for local interwiki administrator are that you must hold  rights on the wiki(s) for which you're requesting. Additionally, if your wiki has any local permissions election rules specifying all or some positions must be elected locally by consensus, then you would need to hold a local election as well. However, looking at this page on your wiki, it looks like just you and Manuela are local bureaucrats, so it's likely not necessary to hold a local election. Should you wish to go this route, you would make a request for local interwiki administrator on stewards' noticeboard, linking to both your local wiki and any local election/permissions request page, if your wiki requires it. Of course, then you wouldn't need a global interwiki administrator to add interwiki prefixes for you, but if you planning on adding many prefixes, then it probably does make sense. Additionally, you also probably meet the global edit requirement for global interwiki administrator, to be honest, so if your activity on Meta were to pick up and you wanted to volunteer in this way, you can request rights for the global group at requests for global rights. Hope this additional information is helpful. Oh, by the way, I do like the work you've put into your wikis, and particularly like your German regional public transportation information wiki. If you ever plan on not being active on your wiki(s), you can request a Dormancy Policy exemption for one or more wiki(s), citing the applicable exemption criterion for each wiki(s) requested, at stewards' noticeboard.  Dmehus (talk) 19:24, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks again (it is already hard to count the colons ;-) ). Actually Manuela is my account, too. I have planned to edit as normal user, not as admin, but this was not very comfortable, so I granted both accounts bureaucrat rights. Now I am editing mostly as Lily. I think it is a good thing that only bureaucrats should have interwiki admin rights on a wiki. I am not planning to add more interwiki prefixes, lily will do the trick ;-) Lily (Lilypond Wiki · talk and I will listen · my little garden ) 05:22, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry to bother you again. I have the interwiki prefix lily in my wikis now, but transclusion is still not possible. Interwiki table Meingarten Interwiki table Meingarten the entry in the column "transclude" is "no" Lily (Lilypond Wiki · talk and I will listen · my little garden ) 06:47, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

No problem. Yeah, I didn't enable the transclude flag as I wasn't sure if you were wanting to use scary transclusion or not, as you don't need that flag to use the  interwiki prefix with your template imports by file upload. Nevertheless, it's neat that you want to try out scary transclusion and you have a valid use case, so I've ✅ on both your wikis as requested. Regarding counting the colons, yeah I debated whether or not to outdent the previous reply, but figured going one more deep wasn't too problematic. Nonetheless I have outdented this reply to start fresh. ;-) Dmehus (talk) 21:27, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks again . Interesting Template outdent I will check that out, Lily (Lilypond Wiki · talk and I will listen · my little garden ) 02:55, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. Dmehus (talk) 14:25, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Spam accounts?
On my wiki there are so many new accounts that are created there, but they never do anything and some of them make one or two revisions, then disappear permanently, it is rather irritating. Do you have any idea on how I can deal with this issue? MarioSuperstar77 (talk) 15:29, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * There is no good solution, unless you want to modify your wiki's permissions to prohibit editing to anonymous users, or to "new users" defined as a number of days. A wiki is by definition a facility available for group editing, including by people who don't show a long-term commitment to the place.  Spam (additions that clearly have no relevance where they are inserted) is a farm-wide problem and is patrolled globally.  Still, wikis need active curators to revert spam locally.   15:37 1-Oct-2020
 * Unfortunately, spam only accounts (a.k.a. spambots) are one of the great plagues of wikis, or really most web services. There's not a whole lot you can do. As you note, they're relatively harmless, thanks to the global abuse filters, but you can locally block them if one of them manages to get past the abuse filter. Additionally, Global Sysops and stewards do routinely go through the global abuse log on Meta and globally lock the spam only accounts to prevent former spamming of wikis' abuse logs. Stewards, too, will check the underlying IP addresses of the spam only accounts and globally rangeblock, where appropriate, the underlying IPs to try and help prevent further account creation. In short, they're sort of somewhere between mosquitoes and locusts. ;) Dmehus (talk) 15:40, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * You can manually grant edit permission by moving some of the permissions given to registered users to authorized users.Miraheze uses CentralAuth, so you might not want to worry about it. In the topic of cryptography, it is said that cryptography, in which one alphabetic character and one encrypted alphabetic character are bijective, is weak.This is due to the fact that a-z used in meaningful English sentences does not appear evenly.(i.e.The distribution of characters is different between meaningful sentences and sentences with randomly inserted characters.)However, please note that this is a story for English.--松•Matsu (talk) 23:11, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Please help me make the number of articles go up on the Chuck E. Cheese's Wiki
Look at the number of articles that are on this wiki I created the other day. The numbers didn't even go up after I added content to the wiki, especially since I'm the creator of this wiki. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) 19:07, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * First, thank you for your question. Please note that I have procedurally moved the discussion from stewards' noticeboard to here, where it is now more in scope. Second, to your question, have you checked which pages or namespaces are set as "content pages," as that likely affects your wiki's Special:Statistics special page. Third, if that's not it, there could possibly be a caching delay of several days for things to update. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 19:11, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Firstly, no I haven't, and 2, are there any codes that I could use to fix that problem? DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) 19:18, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * No, no codes, as far as I know. It's just done in ManageWiki, specifically, at Special:ManageWiki/namespaces. There's an option to select whether to treat pages in that namespace as "content pages." By default, Main namespace pages are treated as content pages, I believe, whereas the others may not be. Dmehus (talk) 19:16, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I typed in something on that, clicked on submit, and nothing's happened. Any suggestions? DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) 19:30, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I updated the wiki, using those 2 suggestions you gave to me. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) 20:05, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Getting The Number of Pages a User Has Made
Is there a way to use the api to get the number of pages a user has made? --Bayugoon (talk) 22:59, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I figured it out on my own, api.php?action=query&list=usercontribs&ucuser=User&uclimit=5000&ucshow=new returns a json array of all the user's edits so you just need to get the length of the array, idk what you would do if they had made more than 5 thousand pages though lol --Bayugoon (talk) 00:43, 2 October 2020‎ (UTC)

Global Js, Css
How to make global js, css? I don't know how to. Thanks, Gomdoli4696 (talk) 05:09, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Users' global.js and global.css files are created and hosted here on Meta. To create yours, simply click global.js and/or global.css to create your files as subpage(s) of your Meta userspace. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 05:43, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Cargo calendar events show up after login only

 * Wiki: testcargo.miraheze.org

I have worked hard recently on calendar built by Cargo extension and events simply do not show up from another browsers.

Please help. Helper (talk) 04:23, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 * First, please note that I have procedurally moved your question from stewards' noticeboard, as stewards do not handle technical issues like this, to community noticeboard, where it is now in scope. Second, to your question, I'm not personally familiar with the Cargo extension, but I will just say that those able to help you will likely need a few more details. For these sort of technical questions, possibly where there could be a server side configuration at play, it's usually best to join us on either (a) our Discord server or (b) on IRC at as system administrators, together with an active community, will be there to engage with you and help to resolve the issue. You certainly don't have to use Discord or IRC, and we do have active community volunteers on-wiki, but it's just highly recommended as you'll receive much quicker resolution to your issue. Dmehus (talk) 05:51, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Solved. The wiki had mark "Private". Strange, but all other content was available to browse but not Cargo tables content. After mark out "private," it works and shows events on calendar to unregistered visitors. Helper (talk) 15:42, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Your initial problem did not mention about anonymous and non- and non-  users from being able to view your Cargo table's calendar events, otherwise I would've suggested this as the likely cause. Generally, though, when wikis are approved only as private wikis, you should check with another wiki creator or steward to review your wiki, and assess whether it can be approved as a public wiki. In your case, I had already previously approved it as either a private wiki (as requested) or a public wiki related to Cargo extension testing, so you are fine to make it public. But yes, private wikis are only readable by users in the   or   groups, so if you want to have a private wiki in the future and want to be able to welcome anyone to your wiki, you can add a link like an e-mail link on Meta or a link to your user talk page on your private wiki's public Main Page to allow users to easily request access to a private wiki. Anyway, glad the issue was solved. Dmehus (talk) 15:56, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Import failed: No interwiki prefix was supplied
Hi, I am new to this wiki farm. I wanted to import some content from a XML exported from a MediaWiki managed elsewhere. But the import failed because No interwiki prefix was supplied. I have no idea what an interwiki prefix is. Help welcome. Gerdami (talk) 16:04, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Meta, and to Miraheze. Please note that I have moved your question from stewards' noticeboard to community noticeboard where it is now more in scope. Also, thank you for signing your posts on Meta with four tildes . To your question, this means that you need to include the  from either (a) the global interwiki table (here on Meta) or (b) your wiki's local interwiki table for the given wiki from where you're importing. If you use an incorrect interwiki prefix, the import should still work, but the imported contributions will not link correctly to their local user pages on the wiki from where the page/template was imported. It's also a good practice to include all revisions, and to select the option to "assign edits locally" where the user exists, so that in such cases, that user's contributions are linked instead to their local Miraheze wiki user page. If importing templates, you should also "include templates," as that includes any critical template dependencies. Finally, if the XML file is more than 250 MB, you will need to request on Phabricator (using your Miraheze MediaWiki login via OAuth) and attach the XML file for system administrators to handle. If importing multiple infobox templates from English Wikipedia, the XML files will be large, and it's recommended you request this on Phabricator anyway. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 16:18, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your help. I tried several times to import an XML that contains the Export from an existing Mediawiki. The size is a bout 4MB and 4,200 pages, i.e. not that much. I put en, then w as InterWiki prefix. While I received the Error 503 Backend fetch failed, forwarded for 2a02:2788:925:f198:b5a0:2cfc:c2f8:afcd, 127.0.0.1 (Varnish XID 9419608) via cp7 at Sun, 04 Oct 2020 09:27:50 GMT., some pages were imported, and now there are 932 pages... still about 3,500 pages missing. I understand that I could use the Phabricator' form to request help from the community to import the XML into my wiki, but I could not log in with my Miraheze credentials. Gerdami (talk) 09:37, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, though small in file size, that's a lot of pages, so you are bound to time out. A Phabricator request is best. What I recommend is making a list of all the pages that it didn't import, then request an importation, listing those pages in a separate text file (which you can upload or add in a Paste (under "all applications"). Make sure you are signing in your Miraheze login credentials, not your MediaWiki/Wikimedia credentials, and you should be redirected back to Meta to authorize the sign in. Alternatively, you can request deletion, also on Phabricator, of the list of improperly imported pages, then request, in a new request, importation of all the pages. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 18:37, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * thanks again. I will make a differential of the pages. In the meantime I still cannot login to Phabricator, it says that it cannot find my login: There is no account associated with that email address. when I asked for a Reset password. My request would be about an extension I could not find in Manage this wiki's extensions the Extension:MultiLanguageManager. Gerdami (talk) 05:53, 5 October 2020 (UTC).
 * It sounds like you are trying to login to Phabricator using the e-mail address and password fields. You want to use the "Login or register with MediaWiki" button. Let me know if that helps. Dmehus (talk) 21:45, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I have now registered with Phabricator and posted my request. Gerdami (talk) 04:34, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * By the way, I eventually managed to import all the pages, in groups of more or less 400 pages. Thanks again for the hints. Gerdami (talk) 04:34, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Exporting my wiki
Depending on my association request, I may have to move the wiki to a private server. Is it possible to export a whole Miraheze hosted wiki including its pictures (jpg, pdf, svg...)

AMITRAM (talk) 10:00, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry to see you go :( You can export your wiki via Special:DataDump. Good luck with your wiki! Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 10:06, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't intend to, and I hope I won't have to. But my association may request it.
 * I'm sorry to bother you with this, but all my pictures will be exported along with all the wiki content (pictures and theirs old versions of one file ?) ? And then I can import them into my private server ?
 * AMITRAM (talk) 10:09, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, actually, Reception123 had not too long ago told me what the purpose of each of the three types of dumps was. XML includes all the public, non-suppressed revisions of your wiki, an image backup includes your uploaded files and images, and a ManageWiki backup includes your configuration settings from ManageWiki. I should also add that by "public," I mean the public revisions accessible to your wiki's audience (i.e., for your private wiki). Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 10:32, 3 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks to you all for your answers,
 * I have a specific issue, I've added a new member with a read-only permission yet he can still modify existing pages, how can I prevent him from doing so ?
 * AMITRAM (talk) 11:27, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * You can modify any permissions by going to Special:ManageWiki/permissions. For example, if you want 'members' not to be allowed to edit, you would uncheck the edit right from their group. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 13:41, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Outdated translations
Hello,

I have a subpage. And I have translations on my subpage to see which is translated and which is not translated. Is there any code that indicates which translation is an outdated translation? (And it's constantly updated). Thanks :) - Lois (talk) 13:39, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you mean on Meta, so you can monitor which translation subpages which you've translated have had their source page updated? Dmehus (talk) 16:01, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes. As you say. So, is there any code I can paste into my subpage? (My subpage) Thanks :) - Lois (talk) 16:12, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * That I am not sure of, like if there's a parser function or something you could use. What you could do is either transclude or substitute Special:RecentChanges, narrowed to specific namespaces into a subpage of your userspace; however, that wouldn't give page-level monitoring. I will look into this and also ping as well to see if he has any ideas. Dmehus (talk) 16:44, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Working with Mediawiki Media Viewer
Hi,

I've installed this feature on my wiki so as to make things easier for my users, yet I have two specifics issues :
 * First, Media Viewer keeps telling me this Error : could not load image from https://static.miraheze.org/archivesamitramwiki/thumb/c/c9/filename
 * and second, I've imported the Information template as a "Modèle" (as it is a fr wiki) for the Media Viewer to work, yet it doesn't, should I use "Template:Information" instead ?

AMITRAM (talk) 13:42, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * //// Maybe these should this better be placed on phabricator as tickets ? //// — Preceding unsigned comment added by AMITRAM (talk • contribs) 17:23, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Phabricator is really for reporting bugs, known issues, configuration errors, feature requests, and security-related issued, so I probably wouldn't go there. If I knew the answer to your problem, I'd answer, but I'm not quite sure what you mean by "Media Viewer" or what the specific issue is. Perhaps you can clarify this a bit? You could also try connecting with us on Discord (you can even verify your wiki account using OAuth once you join our server), or IRC at . Note that if you join the IRC channel using the Freenode webchat, your IP address will publicly visible in our IRC logs, so you may wish to use the freemium IRC Cloud, which includes a complimentary IRC cloak upon registering for an account. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 21:21, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'm joining IRC to ask for help.
 * AMITRAM (talk) 08:33, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, sounds good. I personally recommend using IRCCloud for connecting to the Freenode IRC network, as it includes a complimentary IRC cloak to mask your IP address. Thanks for the update! Dmehus (talk) 14:28, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Switch default for recent changes to 45 days
When I see a new wiki I didn't know of, I don't know if that wiki is well maintained or not. And at first sight I don't know the level of activity, so I check Special:Recent changes. The dormancy policy makes it easier to know if wikis have more than 45 days of inactivity, but between 30 and 45 is difficult to know if the wiki is active or not. For this reason I propose to switch the default number of days in recent changes from 30 to 45 days, so people can see in an instant if that wiki is active or not without that range of doubt between 30 and 45 days. Avengium (talk) 20:31, 6 October 2020 (UTC) Avengium (talk) 23:46, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * From a Sysadmin side, change is simple but let's leave for 5-7 days to allow comment. Please note that this will affect all wikis that haven't set a custom value. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  20:39, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Can't we just change this on Meta only, and not for all wikis? That would be my preference. I'd have no objection to increasing the RC value on Meta only to 45 days, or even 60 days really. Dmehus (talk) 21:02, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It wouldn't solve the issue presented to us by doing that. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  21:55, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I wondered that originally, too, but the issue is only related to Meta. Unless I've misunderstood something, I believe what is referring to is Meta's RecentChanges, and being able to monitor pages like requests for adoption, Gazetteer of wikis, etc., over a 45 day period instead of the current maximum of 30, no? Dmehus (talk) 22:08, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Proposer does say the proposal concerns wikis he has just become aware of (therefore, other than Meta).
 * I welcome a change to 45 or 60. I maintain rfobasic.miraheze.org, a programming reference site, but edit it only when an issue is called to my attention.  It would be helpful to go back further to verify that no vandalism has occurred during an extended absence.  Right now, 30 days is not just the default but the longest interval presented on the form (though you can request a longer interval by composing your own URL).   22:58 6-Oct-2020
 * (and as well, really)...yes, I know that  said this is in regards to "wikis he has just become aware of," but where would Avengium be learning of new wikis from a centralized feed other than on Meta? Thus, I believe changing this setting on Meta is all that's required at this point. Since, as a Consul on TestWiki, I can change this RC maximum setting in this section of ManageWiki, it holds that any   should be able to make this change on the same page on their wiki, such as this section of ManageWiki on  . I just think we should avoid changing something globally unless absolutely required, as I know local control over such things is important. Dmehus (talk) 23:08, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Have just made the change on my wiki, which solves my particular problem. I agree with not changing global things, though local wiki bureaucrats retain ultimate local control.  I continue to believe that what proposer was requesting is an easier way to gauge inactivity on wikis other than Meta.   23:42 6-Oct-2020
 * The question was because they wanted to be able to see how close a wiki was to meeting the inactivity policy and being closed from recent changes which you can't based on the default. Changing the default for what it's worth will not stop any wiki changing it back or to whatever value they want (up to 180 days but we can happily make that higher if I a wiki needed it. It just seemed a sensible number to set it to when I fixed a bug with a wiki having an invalid value). ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  06:35, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * My concern is with the default amount of days on personal wikis that are new to me. And is related with the dormancy policy and with the inactivity period of wikis before they obtain some inactivity banner that makes them available on a request for adoption. Avengium (talk) 09:32, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * What do you think about raising the default number of days in Recent Changes to ease checking wikis for adoption and wikis who are close to inactivity due to dormancy policy? This kind of wikis don't have local admins or are absent. So I can't count on the activity of a local admin to check the manage setting for RC on their side. Is best if sysadmins can view the amount of time left for adoption as global admins or if a common user can check the recent activity in the last 45-60 days. ,  ,.
 * It's a bit confusing on how you are monitoring inactive wikis. Are you monitoring RecentChanges on Meta at requests for adoption, or do you mean that you're monitoring wikis' Special:RecentChanges where the wikis have very low activity to see when they go inactive? If the former, I think we can change this setting on Meta only. If the latter, I'm okay with this as there's a valid use case, but my preference would be for the default maximum RC setting to be set to 60 days (the period by which non-exempt wikis would become closed and thus eligible for adoption, well public wikis that is). I would also like to invite to comment on whether this is setting change is within system administrator or steward purview. Though somewhat technical in nature, in which I can see the former having jurisdiction here, it's also related to procedural setting within the purview of all wiki bureaucrats, so I can also see community-elected stewards having primary jurisdiction here. Dmehus (talk) 23:57, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * On the other hand, why not just check the wikis you monitor and patrol within the thirty day timespan to ensure they have activity within a 30 day timespan? After all, if you perform an edit or log action within that thirty day timeframe, you'll be a bit ahead of the game and prevent the wiki from becoming inactive anyway (i.e., the inactivity "clock" will be reset). Dmehus (talk) 00:01, 8 October 2020 (UTC)


 * A useful proposal is to change the default setting for, the options for number of days that the form in RecentChanges presents, as I did yesterday on   as instructed above (pictured).  Avengium could get what he wants with one additional click, and local sysops would be less perturbed that their procedure was being upended.   00:03 8-Oct-2020
 * Yeah, I tend to agree. I realize Avengium may not be a local  on the wikis he monitors, and said wikis may not have active bureaucrats; however, in such cases,  could also hold a local election requesting   rights on said wikis, consistent with any local wiki policies as may exist (or global customs and conventions where none exist), and a steward would be able to assess the election after a reasonable period of in absence of an active bureaucrat. If we it's still desired to change this globally, I think this warrants a fuller community discussion, either a global RfC or, better yet, a full global community proposal on this noticeboard that articulates clearly both the need and rationale for the change. This would allow others to suggest potential workable alternative proposals for ideas which had not been brought to light. Dmehus (talk) 00:30, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I think Spike's idea is probably quite good. I think the default max is 30 days but it's slightly less user experience wise intrusive.  ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  06:42, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear, Spike's idea is very similar to the idea I expressed above, and involves making no global change to the default max RC age? To add to what Spike and I said above, Avengium can always request a steward change the default maximum RC age setting in any wiki(s) where the bureaucrats are inactive in responding to his request, as it's quite a minor change. So this would have the effect of allowing Avengium to still monitor RCs up to 45-60 days on wikis he monitors while at the same time not making any global change. Dmehus (talk) 14:24, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I love the idea Spike suggested. Putting another number allows people (not just me) to check other time frame, but keeping the same default as before. And local admins continue with their time frames. Is a win-win situation. I think we should keep the default the same and add another value to  that is 180 days (like in the image Spike shared). I suggest putting that new number in all wikis that have $wgRCLinkDays as default. Avengium (talk) 19:07, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

As requested, now see Requests for Comment/Add a link on Special:RecentChanges to see last 180 days. 02:09 9-Oct-2020
 * I have moved your good-faith RfC to this subpage of your userspace, as I feel that your proposal needs some clarification. As well, above, you said that you didn't feel changing the default RC value for all wikis was necessary in this case, since, as I said above, stewards could simply change the default RC value on any wikis monitored and where the local bureaucrats were inactive. Moreover, though global in nature, this is a relatively modest global change, so I'm not sure a full RfC is indeed needed. We could simply utilize this discussion and agree on a proposal to move forward with in a new sub-section of this discussion, on which we'd all vote. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 02:19, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * An update for everyone in this discussion...I have followed up with Spike on his user talk page by way of this discussion, mainly to (a) seek clarification on his original proposal, (b) gain insight as to why 180 days was decided on, (c) obtain clarity on whether more than proposal (an RfC) might make sense, and (d) determine whether it makes the most sense to move forward with the one community proposal in a new sub-section of this community noticeboard discussion. Dmehus (talk) 03:28, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Can't just go to their global preferences and change their default recent changes days just for themselves? I don't see why this would need a change to a global setting. K599 (talk) 14:40, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I could do it, But I hadn't thought about it until now. About Spike's proposal, I think is useful for everyone, not just me. But I realize that there are several ways to achieve the same result. Part of this is because I am less involved in the wiki environment (and I use user friendly mechanics), and had not thought of the option that my global preferences could overlap and replace the default way of showing recent changes. Avengium (talk) 15:04, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, as mentioned, that's exactly what ended up being suggested in our conversations on the Miraheze Discord server. While I'm not necessarily opposed to changing the default RC setting for everyone as I do agree with Avengium that MediaWiki is not all that intuitive, especially when it comes to one's preferences and global preferences, I think we should be cautious at changing settings globally for everyone, overriding local wikis' discretion and autonomy, where only one or a few users may not be aware of other workarounds. I think what this discussion elucidated for us is that we could do well to create a FAQ question for Avengium's problem described above, and then provide recommended solutions for both wiki users and wiki owners. Dmehus (talk) 20:32, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Request for Interwiki
I need to show some page from mediawiki.org to our visitors in helping page. And I find that the transclude function of the Interwiki can do it easily. So I request Interwiki administrators to:
 * add some Interwiki prefixes:zw and zhwiki. The url is the same as zhwikipedia.
 * add the transclude function to mw and mediawikiwiki.

Thank you.

-开炸弹车 (talk) 03:34, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with this, but just need which wiki(s) you want me to add those additional prefixes for Chinese Wikipedia and also add the  flag for MediaWiki.org. On which wiki(s) do you want these changes/additions done? Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 13:48, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Both in .Thanks. -开炸弹车 (talk) 14:05, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. This is now ✅. Note that in my local interwiki table log summaries, I missed adding the  prefix to link to this diff on Meta, but suspect that's not too big of a deal. Also, I originally misread your request for the   prefix as , which added it as the interlanguage prefix. This may have been what you wanted anyway, but if you still want   added, let me know, provided, of course, that's not a valid language code for another language in which case, it probably won't work for being added to the local interwiki table versus the local interlanguage interwiki table. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 14:26, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem. -开炸弹车 (talk) 23:45, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Request A Wiki "WearYourDictionary"
I would like to create a wearable dictionary aggregator wiki. A competitive marketplace for artists to show of the designs of dictionary entries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WearYourDictionary (talk • contribs) 18:35, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Firstly, (Please sign your posts on talk pages by using four tildes like this: .)
 * Secondly, please go back into your original wiki request by adding to your existing description, answering the information requested of your request. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 18:39, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Like Special:GlobalRenameRequest
I want to make my local wiki like Special:GlobalRenameRequest, Special namespace's request page. How to make? Thanks. Gomdoli4696 (talk) 01:49, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe that special page can only be accessed on Meta. Can you clarify how you mean? You want to make a new separate special page? You could possibly try the PageForms extension, but not sure if that's what you're after. Dmehus (talk) 02:33, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I want to make a new separate special page. Gomdoli4696 (talk) 02:56, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * That involves some php coding expertise, and would then likely involve you submitting that special page to either Wikimedia's Phabricator or Miraheze's Phabricator, depending on which extension it's related to. This MediaWiki help page provides some instruction on the mechanics involved in creating a special page. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 14:31, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

How do I change the theme of my wiki?
So, I want to turn Dream Fiction Wiki green, but how do I do it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by FlegSlaviraheze (talk • contribs) 08:30, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * First, welcome to Miraheze, and to Meta. Second, (Please sign your posts on talk pages by using four tildes like this: .) . Third, to answer your question, your wiki's style and apperance is done through Cascading Style Sheets, principally in your wiki's MediaWiki:Common.css interface file. You want to start with this very basic answer to this question at: FAQ. Beyond that, you could use your Discord account to join our Discord server, where a number of CSS experts exist to provide one-on-one support. You can also ask on IRC, at ; however, I do recommend using IRCCloud as your IRC client, as they provide a complimentary IRCCloud IRC cloak upon registering for an account, as your IP address would otherwise be available in an unmasked format. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 13:36, 9 October 2020 (UTC)