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CnocBride's Request for Stewardship
User: CnocBride ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Reasoning for request
Hello, my name is CnocBride and I come to you today, the community Miraheze, to request promotion to the position of steward. When I joined this community 2 years ago, I didn't think that I would still be here, in one way or another. Miraheze, despite my slight periods of inactivity, has always had a welcoming feel to me and it always felt like a home on the internet. My main reasoning for staying on Miraheze is no longer my love for writing fiction and building constructed worlds, its the love of the community that has been built around collaboration.

My request for stewardship sprouts from my will to help the community further. I always want to assist the community further, by doing whatever I can. Be that processing feature requests (which are now largely redundant), processing wiki creation requests, interwiki edit requests, Code of Conduct arbitration and helping the community wherever needed (the noticeboards etc.). I view stewards as the "community managers" of Miraheze. They are part of the twin pillars that ensure Miraheze's survival - the technical managers and the community manager's.

I have always been a person focused around community. If I wasn't, I wouldn't be doing the work I do today for Miraheze. I am a wiki creator and I was one of the first people to answer Receptions request for more wiki creators. I enjoy wiki creating very much and it is a pleasure to wake up every morning and do wiki requests (weird pleasure, right?). I am also a member of the Code of Conduct Commission, a position I feel has been one of my finest positions to date. Thankfully, the Code of Conduct Commission do not interfere overly much because of the simple fact that drama is not a widespread epidemic on Miraheze, but still, the Code of Conduct Commission provides me with the necessary skills to deal with members of the community. My ability to use Special:ManageWiki, create wikis, process Phabricator feature requests (pre ManageWiki) and use Github, show that I am fairly competent in basic technical tasks, which I believe is another attribute needed for stewards. I am also a member of the CVT, and while I am still learning, I feel CVT already gives me an insight into certain aspects of how Miraheze deals with vandals. I also recently became an interwiki admin, while I haven't had the opportunity to "show my ability off" if you will, I can competently use the interwiki interface.

While that sums up some of my internal interactions (I am willing to expand on anything said in this request, please just leave a comment and ping me), I would now like to discuss community management that is necessarily not related to Miraheze. One of my passions is video games and one of the video games I have always enjoyed since I was only a child, and still love now into my teenage years, is Minecraft. For around the past 5 months, I have been a staff member on a Minecraft server that reaches over 200 people at peak time. Why do I mention this? Because I am the head of a group of staff members on the server that are focused on handling disputes and rulebreaks within the community, a major role of stewards on Miraheze.

The server I work on is known as MassiveCraft and has been my go-to Minecraft server for many years. As I said above, I am the lead of a group (department as they are called) that is in charge of the in-game moderation aspect and dealing with rulebreaks. I am often the first responder along with my colleagues to certain incidents on the server. The server is not your typical view of Minecraft. A bunch of 10 year old kids who roam free, it's a professional organization with the aim of providing quality gameplay to its members. The server enforces a strict 16 year old minimum age for staff policy and they run an extremely professional system of staff management. I am the head of my own department, which is essentially its own division, along with one other person. I am also a member of the 'Direction Team', essentially the team that are in charge of deciding the overall, you guessed it direction, of the server and the staff policy. I believe this stands to me well as a steward and a community arbitrator, I know how to deal with people, I know how to deal with tough situations, I know how to use MediaWiki and am always willing to learn more and more.

This would not be a proper request, without facing my disadvantages face on. My first and main disadvantage is my spell of inactivity that lasted from January until May of this year. Essentially, I was so caught up with school, I could not spare the time to work on Miraheze. I have since figured out a better time management schedule, with both my staff work and school work, I believe I can combine the three of these together to ensure that I can remain an active member of all the community's I take part in. If I do for some reason go inactive, I assure you the community will be informed accordingly.

I apologize if this stewardship request is not required and I will fully accept opposition to this proposal (I do expect the courtesy of giving one a reason for opposition).

Thank you very much for taking your time to read this, any questions/concerns, I am always willing to answer. &#32;  CnocBride | Talk | Contribs  19:22, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Additional comments given by user (if any)
This will be up a week tomorrow. I don't mean to intrude on anybody, but I would like to request comments on this request, abstensions, oppositions or supports. Going to ping some of the people I know on the wiki.



Just tagging these individuals if they would like to give comment. Thanks! &#32;  CnocBride | Talk | Contribs  17:35, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I always recuse unless I have objections. So take that how you want :) John (talk) 17:45, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Comments by other users

 * While I do think the user can be trusted, I'm not sure whether we really need more Stewards. Thus, I'd like to wait for other Stewards' comments before casting a vote.-- 07:22, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I fully understood this before my I submitted my request, I just had the mentality of "Why not?" and decided to submit it. However, if stewards feel there is no need for more stewards, I have no opposition to me withdrawing from this request. &#32; Miraheze Logo.svg CnocBride | Talk | Contribs  10:23, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Support

 * 1)  I think CnocBride will be a very good steward. This user is always giving helpful advice and they have been here for long enough. I am supporting. Pkbwcgs (talk) 18:02, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Abstain

 * 1)  While your work is very much appreciated, I do feel like steward responsibility’s include being active. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 21:20, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
 * 2)  Although I know you are studious and attentive person, and have known you since Conworlds was on Wikia, I feel at this time, Miraheze does not need any additional stewards. For now, I believe you should continue to focus on your responsibilities as part of CVT and as a wikicreator. &#32;  Miraheze Logo.svg centrist16 | P mail.svg | Discord color D.svg  &#32; 18:30, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * 3)  My opinion is similar to the comments of my colleagues who abstained. And as I do not have a clear position to oppose or support this request, I preferred to abstain. However, I encourage CnocBride to continue to collaborate as actively as possible. Wiki1776 (talk) 19:17, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * 4)  He is an excellent user, but I don't think he is still ready to be steward. I encourage you to continue collaborating as usual and perhaps in a few more months you can succeed. —AlvaroMolina (✉ -  ✔ ) 00:06, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
 * 5)  Thank you for inviting me to comment.  I recently supported an elevation to Steward ("Of course" because he is a founder of the wiki farm) and have had courteous dealings with you over a year, but though I have opinions and preferred wordings on a lot of topics, in general I have no opinion on who should run this place, especially if the motive is simply that the guy says he wants to.  You note above how schoolwork crowded out Miraheze this year; no problem, I have other diversions too.  Now, you say you have better procedures in place to ensure that this particular distraction does not occur.  This rebuttal fails, because, What about all the other distractions?  Cripes, you might meet a girl!   18:57 31-Aug-2018

Oppose

 * 1)  While I recognize that this user is one of the more active non-sysadmin members of the community, and is a prolific wiki creator which is always needed, they became a CVT member in May, and since then, have only made around a dozen blocks, only three global blocks (all of which were today), and has not made any global account locks. I would like to see a little more activity/experience with some of these tools before I’d be comfortable supporting the granting of steward. One of the most important responsibilities of a steward is the ability to do global blocks and locks, since only stewards and CVT members have access to these tools, and therefore I prefer to see a level of experience/understanding of these tools in any steward candidate. Amanda Catherine (talk) 19:56, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * 2) * Not writing a proper comment yet but I just wanted to point out that as a member of the CVT they are already trusted with access to these tools, and being a Steward won't change that. I think you may wish to consider commenting on the new things they would be given access to, and whether or not you trust them with access to that and why. I would also be curious if you would trust them in representing the communities interests, regardless of what technical tools they gain access to. PuppyKun (talk) 20:35, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * 3) * Thank you for the comment! Yes, my use with CVT tools has been lacking but mainly that's due to me actually getting comfortable with it. The same happened when I was working with feature requests but at the time I had more time for it. I do have less time to look fully into CVT tools but I am slowly learning and I feel like I am getting more confident day by day! Thank you for the concerns, I'll take them on board :) &#32; Miraheze Logo.svg CnocBride | Talk | Contribs  23:54, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

MacFan4000's Request for Stewardship
User: MacFan4000 ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Reasoning for request
I would like to provide more help to the community. I have been a sysadmin for a few months, an admin here, for less time then that and a CVT member since Januarary. I have been fairly active in theese roles, for instance I have been helping with the recent LTA spam and accounts as CVT. As a sysadmin I having been working to improve the code of ManageWiki, as well as feature requests, and I help out users on IRC, and actively merge Pull Requests. I have experience with things like CheckUser,Oversight,Renameuser. I have used theese rights on my own wiki to help with an internal Miraheze investigation, which I will not be going into detail about. I have almost 2,000 edits globally and I have locked plenty of Spam/LTA accounts in my time as CVT. You can see my CVT actions here, and here. If anybody has questions, please don’t hesitate to ask. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 01:03, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Questions for candidate

 * I’m sorry, but “I have used theese rights on my own wiki to help with an internal Miraheze investigation, which I will not be going into detail about.” doesn’t cut it for me. Please give an example of where you have used these tools in a public manner. Preferably, I would also like you to point to a location where you have been granted at least administrator privileges on a wiki that you did not create. Amanda Catherine (talk) 11:57, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I have administrator privlages here as I have mentioned. They have helped to aid me in my CVT duties. I dont have access to these steward tools anywhere else. But at some point everybody has to get access to theese tools for the first time, right? MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 13:23, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I didn’t say that you needed to have the steward tools elsewhere. You claimed that you have used CheckUser, Oversight, and RenameUser (which all three are independent tools and are not always part of a steward package) as part of an “internal investigation”. I would like you to point to a wiki (Miraheze or non-Miraheze) where you have used CheckUser, Oversight, and/or RenameUser and can publicly link yourself to your use of said tools. Amanda Catherine (talk) 21:14, 11 September 2018 (UTC)


 * I haven’t used theese tools any where other than my wiki, and besides it would be hard to link to uses of CheckUser and Oversight when the releated logs aren’t public. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 21:27, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Abstain

 * 1)  Mac, I believe you are a fantastic Miraheze staff member, and I am very grateful for all the work you have done in regards for Miraheze. However, my one concern is your tone of communication. Now, this is very minor, extremely minor that can be remedied very quickly, but in the past I have gotten a sense that you can be rather harsh, especially with people who are new. I don't know if this is just unintentional but I do believe that stewards, most of all, require a softer tone. I don't believe this is a problem strictly restricted to you, but I do feel you are part of a group that do lack interpersonal skills for steward. Now, this is a very minor issue, that I don't see very often. Your technical contributions are excellent and please do not let this abstention take away from your request. &#32;  Miraheze Logo.svg CnocBride | Talk | Contribs  18:02, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Oppose

 * I’m opposing this request for a couple of reasons. One, the user has a history of being uncivil, rude, and overstepping boundaries when encountering users of a lesser authority who may not agree with them. This can be seen at my last formal ban appeal, where the user made a rather rude-sounding comment on the RFC, and even after I politely pointed out that they were mistaken, they refused to acknowledge their mistake, and instead kept being uncivil and rude, not once more, but twice more. While I have not seen this issue recently, the fact that it has existed in the past still paints a somewhat dark shadow. Secondly, the user has a history of not being accountable and taking responsibility for their actions. This can be seen with the user’s mass locking of multiple accounts as “LTA” (Long-Term Abuse) despite no actual behavioral evidence suggesting that this was the case. There is no global username policy, and therefore creating accounts with really long Royal Family or Trump family names, while unusual, is not an automatic indicator of a vandal. However, when asked to provide further justification on IRC (in fact, asked repeatedly), they did not provide it. In fact, they did not respond at all. This is not a good quality of a steward, who should be able to respond to all requests for accountability and justification of any and all actions within a reasonable time period. Finally, the user’s own answer to my question above indicates that they have not held any of the individual tools that are bundled as part of the steward package on any wiki that they have not created personally. While not a personal requirement of an average candidate for steward, given that this candidate has two negative points against them already, I would want to see that they can be trusted by someone other than themselves to handle high-level and sensitive tools before supporting them becoming a steward. For these three reasons, I oppose this request. Amanda Catherine (talk) 23:30, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I should also note that the user has engaged in repeated instances of ruthless edit warring against myself, LP, and User:MatthewPW on the Test Wikipedia, dealing with everything from formatting and styling changes to adding MatthewPW’s Referata TestWiki to the list and everything in between. The edits from 5 April 2017 that have been RevDeld are because the edit summaries contained insults. This behavior is, quite frankly, disturbing and should make anyone considering supporting this user think twice. Amanda Catherine (talk) 23:45, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Are you saying that somebody cant gain rights after their behavior has improved? Because if so, you are wrong. On Test Wikipedia, I disagreed with those edits, and a few others agreed with me. On each occasion, me or somebody else got local admins involved. (I happen to know one on IRC), I never wanted to have edit wars, but I didn't want a site being advertised that had an account impersonating me. If you didn't know, on that referata testwiki, an account called MacFan4000 exists, but that isn't me. As far as I know, it was created to impersonate me. Also on my wiki, some miraheze users, (namely a steward, and a CVT member), have an account that they use. I don't believe I did anything wrong on that rfc. I believe I am allowed to express my opinion, and that I don't have to provide a rationale. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 13:25, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I also will add this question. If I wasn't trusted would I really have gotten the permissions that I have now? I don't think so. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 13:59, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * First, you are required to provide a rationale on any community discussion if you want your comments to have weight, since discussions of any kind are not a vote and therefore simply “support” or “oppose” with no rationale will likely be discredited. Second, while you have the right to express your opinion, you do not have the right to do so in a rude or uncivil manner, and, when someone else politely points out that you are mistaken, you should admit your mistake and not keep badgering over it and insisting that you are right. Amanda Catherine (talk) 14:19, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Additionally, regarding the test wiki, if someone is attacking you or otherwise harassing you, the proper course of action IMHO is to notify the authorities (admins, bureaucrats, etc) at the location where the problem is occurring so that they can take care of. Repeatedly removing links to the website simply because of an account impersonating you (which BTW has spawned accusations of censorship) is not the way to go. Amanda Catherine (talk) 14:26, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I am not required to provide rationales. Only you are saying that. You do not set the policys. You are mistaken. I am not going to keep responding to you. I have argued enough. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 14:31, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

(reset indent) Well, the comment above just shows that the user is still not willing to admit their mistakes and take accountability for their actions. This and given the fact that they totally evaded my point about their mass locking of accounts only firmly cements my opposition. Amanda Catherine (talk) 14:47, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I ignored the mass locking accounts because you have been spoken to about that very well. Please also elaborate on your claim about my comment above. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 15:01, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Also I do take responsibility for the things that I do. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 15:03, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * You don’t take responsibility for your actions, as evidenced by your doubling-down on your comment about the Referata TestWiki and refusal to address my suggestion. Additionally, you are not willing to admit your mistakes because you are still claiming that you were right to make rude and uncivil comments on the RFC, when you were not. Finally, providing rationales is not a global policy per se, but it is an implied policy on any community-oriented discussion. It’s not my policy, either. Discussions are not a vote and polling is not a substitute for discussion. Amanda Catherine (talk) 15:28, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I did nothing but post stright up votes. I do take responsibility for my actions. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 15:49, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Some of the reasons, especially the argument about the lock, are baseless. Opposing due "no apparent reason for a lock" isn't a reason to oppose. Certainly Jalexander-WMF wouldn't create account here on Miraheze, and certainly not members of the Trump administration. Artix Kreiger (talk) 16:02, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * With the exception of the WMF impersonation account, usernames that contain names of Trump family members or Royal Family members should not be locked on creation since Miraheze has no global username policy. Amanda Catherine (talk) 16:48, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Still, common sense and decency applies, and not necessarily "no global username policy". Artix Kreiger (talk) 19:03, 12 September 2018 (UTC)