User talk:ZokhFromSteamCity

Steam City wiki
Hi, I'm leaving a message here as a Steward. I see you requested Steam City here mentioning a roleplay with lore, exaggerated elements, and so on - that's fine, on the surface. The moment I look at the wiki including the main page and the general tone from there I see incredibly crass material between the language used and the many deliberately offensive references that wouldn't be acceptable anywhere on Miraheze. We can't host this. I've set the wiki to private in case you'd be fine dialing the 'exaggeration' several miles back and if there is any aspect on the wiki/community it's for which is not centered around maximum offensive humor. If it's what you want to run with or doing this would ruin the idea then feel free to respond so, and I can save both our time by dropping the wiki after a couple days so you can find a more open host. Otherwise I'll give this up to a week for a response with your intentions. Thanks. --Raidarr (talk) 11:45, 6 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello. I've addressed these issues and taken them into account by removing the said issues by censoring the not so bad obscenities while completely removing offensive slurs, hate speech, etc. The nature of this wiki is basically just offensive humor and what not but I can do without the offensive slurs and obscenities if that's what's needed to keep it up and going. I'd like the wiki put back to public viewing now and i'll try not to cause anymore issues. ZokhFromSteamCity (talk) 16:00, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It's a start, but I want to work through the underlying idea here. You seem to want a wiki based on deliberately offensive humor while Miraheze tends to avoid and curb that sort of material. This is what I meant with the 'would ruin the idea' part, to also respond to your front page bit about "moderators ruining the fun". If you have a wiki that is walking on egg shells then what you have is a wiki that's not going to do as much as you want on Miraheze and you'd be better served by a more open service or hosting option.
 * I'll also note that the focus on offensive humor is quite different to what is implied by the original wiki request, which is an issue. I understand you wrote 'exaggerated', but a primary goal being offensive humor and the intention for slurs etc is something that should be made clear to avoid this issue since the wiki likely would not have been approved if this was clear.
 * If you still think Miraheze is best with this in mind I can give a more thorough look and possibly unlock/unprivate it accordingly. Either way if you would like a wiki dump and the lock means you can't make one to transfer elsewhere, I can provide one which will retain the wiki's data. --Raidarr (talk) 22:24, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay so, from my understanding, the issue is me wanting to host an "offensive humor" wiki while miraheze tends to avoid allowing that sort of material from being hosted. Which is fine because I don't necessarily rely on "offensive humor" if I can rely on exaggerated "retarded humor" as I would put it without anything crossing the line. Yes, I am aware that I didn't state "offensive humor" when I first requested this wiki to be opened but I've since censored/removed what wasn't originally part of my request and I can still work with that. I'd like you to as you said give the wiki a more thorough look and unlock it accordingly. ZokhFromSteamCity (talk) 00:42, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi there. This is just my two cents, but I don’t know for sure if you’re getting the point that Raidarr is trying to make as you continue to use the word retarded. Miraheze prides itself on being an exemplary wiki farm, and we don’t tolerate any inappropriate or obscene content on wikis. This isn’t meant as an insult against you or your wiki, but we try and keep the wikis from becoming offensive as that has been a recurring issue in the past. We aim to be a wiki farm suitable for all people.
 * Please let me know if I can help with anything, I’m more than glad to assist with anything you might need.
 * Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 00:51, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Is it possible for you to recommend a more open host that functions similar to miraheze that would be more tolerant of the sort of material I put on my wiki? If the problem is literally just swearing and obscenity then i'd prefer to just archive everything currently on this wiki and create a new one some place else. I'd like at least a week to archive everything, if that's possible. ZokhFromSteamCity (talk) 03:45, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Actually, forget it. I'd rather just try and fix up the wiki here to be more suitable for miraheze. I'll make it work without "ruining the idea" and so forth. ZokhFromSteamCity (talk) 04:03, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Nearly all wiki hosts require some sort of decency in order to maintain a good image. The only thing I can recommend would be self-hosting options which would give you complete flexibility. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 04:06, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've realised that which is why I want to keep it on here by removing the offensive material without "ruining the idea." If you can look through it and if it's tolerable enough, just unlock /unprivate the wiki please ZokhFromSteamCity (talk) 04:27, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, as Agent Isai mentioned all wiki farms require some amount of decency to operate. As previously mentioned, I’m here to happily assist in the event that you need help. I’m happy to review pages to see if they match our content policy, so if you need that I’m happy to help. Please let me know. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 05:38, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'd like you to review the pages to see and unlock/unprivate if they match the content policy. If they don't, I guess just tell me which section(s) don't and I'll fix them up. ZokhFromSteamCity (talk) 06:43, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Please note that BrandonWM is simply a volunteer and not a Steward who can unlock the wiki. I'm just waiting for Raidarr to review this and to give his dictum. Please standby, thanks. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 06:53, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I likely should’ve noted that. I am, just a volunteer. Again, if you need assistance in reviewing pages I am here, but I cannot unlock the wiki or perform advanced functions. Apologies for the confusion, that’s completely on me. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contribs • global • rights) 13:35, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm going to reset the indent because the conversation went on a bit of a tangent. Covering the above we try not to quibble too much about content as long as it doesn't attract issues for the problem or repeat issues we've had, and the main issue here is a content in the tone of say, Encyclopedia Dramatica which has only ever ended wrong. In the future it may become difficult to keep content moderated if it is hosted or should be written with intentions to offend; the line here is deliberately making content that's universally acknowledged to do that, we won't quibble on lower bars like 'it could offend x...' Same for 'decency'.
 * Anyway I took another look. I have one more question about the wiki's scope. What sort of illegal things are involved in the lore/previous guide that resulted in the steam shutdown? --Raidarr (talk) 15:10, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It wasn't anything legitimately illegal that could get me in trouble from the authorities. What I mean by "illegal" is just word play for what goes against Steam, the gaming platform's, terms of service. I first uploaded it to steam as a guide for a game but since it literally served zero purpose as a guide for said game, it was taken down after being bombarded with reports. ZokhFromSteamCity (talk) 21:26, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Steam's ToS isn't especially restrictive in my experience, but to humor me for a moment, what aspects were against it aside from the now-removed language? --Raidarr (talk) 22:52, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Considering they never told me why when they removed it, if I had to guess it would probably have been under the category of harassment since there were joke insults directed at a few people in the guide and in my experience, steam is hopeless when appealing bans. The people in question were okay with it but there were other people on steam that had grudges against me for, well, it's a long and stupid story and I presume they were the ones that bombarded the guide with reports. But harassment was obviously never the intention when it came to making the original lore, nor will it be when I start working on this wiki. ZokhFromSteamCity (talk) 23:43, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Almost been a week since a reply lmao what happened? ZokhFromSteamCity (talk) 08:21, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Got more input and I will be honest, been distracted for which I apologize. I haven't had a clear no from my peers and for now I think it's overall fine to unlock, so I'll do so. As a few notes the pages on users may be an issue if the users don't appreciate them, and it's within their rights to request they're not involved especially if they don't take kindly to jokes made in the form that caused this issue especially if they were the ones who took a problem with it on Steam. If you want to remove any such pages as well that might reduce trouble. I don't see harassment or extreme material, but the point will stand if needed. At some point we'll take another look and see where the content is at but for now I'll consider this resolved. --Raidarr (talk) 11:41, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hate to be a bother but you only unlocked the main page, non members and admins can't see stuff that isn't on the main page, etc. ZokhFromSteamCity (talk) 21:56, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I've unprivated the wiki. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 22:04, 12 July 2022 (UTC)