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Vote
Okay, ladies and gentlemen, I have a question for you: should we have a wiki on here like the Wiki Gazetteer on FANDOM? Put your vote in the headings below! And remember to sign your posts with ~. Tali64³ (talk) 20:33, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes

 * 1) Why not? This would not be a bad idea for someone looking for a specific wiki. --TFFfan (talk) 21:57, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 2) per  InspecterAbdel (talk) 21:16, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 3) I strongly support this because we can find more specific wikis.  CircleyDoesExtracter  ( Circley Talk  |  Global   |  Email the Cloud ) 21:31, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 4) I'm not opposed to this idea, in theory, and I do think that we need to rethink Gazetteer of wikis given that we have ~3,800 current wikis (which is too large for a single page). My main concern, which I expressed in declining the wiki request, was that this may suffer from lack of maintenance and timely updates. As well, by siphoning it away from Meta, we now have yet another wiki we have to somehow promote, so that sort of defeats the purpose of a gazetteer of wikis designed to promote customers' public wikis, doesn't it? Secondarily, I honestly think a better way to go about this is to add additional functionality and data output to the automated list, Special:WikiDiscover. That said, it's a good-faith idea, in theory and if well-maintained, so that is why I am expressing some support, albeit weak. Dmehus (talk) 23:18, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

No

 * I don't see the need for an entire wiki like this. We already have a page here on meta, Gazetteer of wikis. And in all honesty, a page on meta will most likely be given more notice than another external wiki that some will never visit. As such I am opposing this idea. While a good thought I don't see the need for it. I mean if you want it, go for you, but I don't think it should be a community wiki at all. 15:01, 13 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * There are wikis currently on Miraheze, too big to list on one page. An administrator could put a link to it on the main page. Tali64³ (talk) 16:35, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * We also have Special:WikiDiscover which lists every wiki on Miraheze. 14:18, 16 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |


 * Not needed.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 06:29, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 1)  if there were a lot of people to add entries for wikis with short descriptions that would work for me but right now I think that the Meta gazeteer is enough and is helpful. DeeM28 (talk) 07:33, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Discussion

 * 1) I'm currently been slowly working on a similar idea over the past month or two just documenting wikis: the Wikiverse. dibbydib 23:38, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 2) As a Miraheze wiki creator, when this wiki truly passes through us for approval (I have recently accidentally approved this wiki sent in by, which due to the ongoing discussion and the incorrect subdomain is currently pending steward review for deletion), it is important for us to know when to approve the wiki and who will be creating it. Therefore, who will be the founding Bureaucrat of the wiki if it passes community discussion?  14:59, 13 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * I would be the founder. Tali64³ (talk) 23:23, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * When having community discussions like these, who will be the founder is among what should be discussed. I believe who should be the founder should be among what is discussed here. Thanks! 02:10, 15 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * 1) Relisting for another couple of weeks. Dmehus (talk) 05:20, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * 2) Relisting for another several weeks. Dmehus (talk) 11:42, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

A community Developers wiki
I have a proposition for the Miraheze community. For a while now I have been debating whether or not to create a developers wiki for Miraheze. Unlike the template wiki, this wiki will include CSS and JS scripts that anyone can import using, it will allow anyone who wants it to use scripts built by the community in their own wikis and/or in their own personal global or local JavaScript or CSS files. After consulting with on Discord, I decided to get the communities feedback and/or support on this idea, therefore what does the Miraheze community think of this idea? 22:53, 24 July 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * Yeah, though I don't think it's required to have a community discussion in this case, since it's going to be a community wiki for shared CSS and JavaScript files, among other things potentially, I thought it would be a good practice to have the discussion, especially if it proposes to use the name "Miraheze." Plus, I think it would be helpful for the community to (a) define the initial scope and purpose and (b) establish the founding bureaucrats for the wiki. From there, the local community can help to establish its local policies and further refine its purpose. In general terms, I support this as a community wiki as I think it is sufficiently different than the Template and Miraheze Bots + Tools wikis. I also think it could be useful at reducing the page load times of community-imported and -maintained user scripts, as opposed to always loading them from English Wikipedia and other wikis. Dmehus (talk) 23:17, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * yes, some of that is part of my initial thoughts for the reasoning of the wiki. As for using the name Miraheze in it, I think it should be called Miraheze Developers Wiki or something similar. As for bureaucrats of the wiki, any candidate recommendations? And I think a community discussion for this is a good idea. It gives the community a way to give input, and their own unique ideas in it as well. 23:39, 24 July 2020 (UTC) ］ |


 * As proposer I support this, but also because I know JS and CSS pretty well, and would love to have a wiki like this for the Miraheze community. 23:39, 24 July 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * This is a great idea for a new wiki. I think that by doing this, lots of new coding things could be enabled, including possibly global modules and gadgets. Great suggestion. I also have no concerns for this proposal. --TFFfan (talk) 23:27, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * yes, I do believe that a wiki like this could be greatly beneficial in the long run, or at least I hope it can be. 23:39, 24 July 2020 (UTC) ］ |

Potential rename and/or expanded scope of Dev Wiki
asked me a few days, or perhaps a week, ago if I had posted in this discussion thread about the potential renaming and expanded scope for Dev Wiki yet. Other tasks took priority, but seeing as this thread was due to be archived in the next day or so, I wanted to get this done. So, I'm going to ping those that participated above and those who participated in the discussion on potential name ideas/expanded scope on Discord.

So, the question is...given that the  subdomain implies broader usage by and for developers beyond just CSS and JavaScript scripts,  and I (did I forget anyone, ?) basically toyed around with a number of potential new names and subdomains, the top three of which is identified below:


 * 1) Retain   and expand the scope, or allow the community, via a future community noticeboard discussion to expand the scope at some point in the future;
 * 2) Rename subdomain to , which would be roughly in line with the current purpose and scope, but open to possibilities later (again, the community would retain the right modify the scope via a community noticeboard discussion); or,
 * 3) Rename subdomain to , with a narrow scope; limits us in the future, but entirely accurate; it's not too bad, as we could easily create a separate dev later, though we should reserve that subdomain in the blacklist)

Since didn't participate in the Discord discussion and since this doesn't require any advanced rights to close, I nominate him to assess the consensus and close this discussion in a week or two. --Dmehus (talk) 00:01, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of RhinosF1 as closer
, please indicate if you would be willing to close this discussion after 1-2 weeks (depending on the weather-related impacts to U.S. eastern seaboard residents).

Additionally, can I get a seconder to second this nomination? (Thought we could probably safely skip a full vote on nominating an uninvolved closer.)


 * Accepted:  ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  19:19, 7 August 2020 (UTC) (as nominated closer)
 * Moved: Dmehus (talk) 00:01, 7 August 2020 (UTC) (as nominator)
 * Seconded: 02:37, 9 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * Procedural comment: This has been relisted for another two weeks. Dmehus (talk) 12:57, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Voting and Vote Tabulation Instructions
You are encouraged to express first and second choices in your !vote. Please do so by indicating, in your !vote for each proposal, whether it is your first or second choice. If no proposal achieves more than 50% of the valid !votes cast, the proposal with the least number of first choice !votes will be dropped, and those users' second choices will then be allocated accordingly, and the results retabulated in a second count.

Support

 * 1)   02:41, 9 August 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * 2)  as first choice, since the community remains overall authority over this wiki in terms of its   removal (as may be required) and in terms of redefining, or broadening, its scope. Dmehus (talk) 11:50, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Neutral/Abstain
This is arguably kind of useless, in this case, since the !votes won't be counted, but I'll nonetheless include it.

Neutral/Abstain
This is arguably kind of useless, in this case, since the !votes won't be counted, but I'll nonetheless include it.
 * 1)  I like this idea as well, but it feels like it has other non-computer science-related use cases (i.e., for an archival- or museum-type wiki). Dmehus (talk) 11:50, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Neutral/Abstain
This is arguably kind of useless, in this case, since the !votes won't be counted, but I'll nonetheless include it.
 * 1)  I also liked 's idea, as it is the most specific and clearly defines this wiki's current purpose, but, at the same time, it really does restrict a future broadening of this wiki's scope to include a broader array of wiki developer resources, for which the community retains the absolute authority to redefine this wiki's purpose via community noticeboard. Dmehus (talk) 11:50, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

A new wiki for the website's community
The Miraheze Community Wiki is a wiki for the community so people can get to know each other and welcome each other. I know Meta does that, but I think we need a wiki for that stuff.

Support

 * 1) I think we need a wiki for this kind of thing InspecterAbdel (talk) 22:44, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 2) but not per any of the above or below, but because community noticeboard has become a catch-all for technical support questions, community discussions, and really anything. The organization is weak, and we could use a community wiki. I have no objections to it, but the main reason for my oppose  weak support here is because the purpose is somewhat vague and unclear. I appreciate  bringing this for a community discussion, though, and, since this wiki was simultaneously submitted for approval and created already, I think we should probably shift this wiki towards defining a clear purpose and terms of reference for its existence and the parameters by which the local   can be removed (via Community noticeboard) here on Meta. Dmehus (talk) 14:55, 28 July 2020 (UTC)  Amended. Moved from weak oppose to weak support Dmehus (talk) 15:31, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 3) I think we should have one since fandom has one. Plus it's subdomain is valuable too. AppleCrunchy (talk) 19:16, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Abstain

 * 1) I really like to have a community wiki for new users to gather, although we have a Community noticeboard.  CircleyDoesExtracter  ( Circley Talk  |  Global   |  Email the Cloud ) 17:09, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) . No, we don't need such a wiki.  This page ("community noticeboard") is exactly for this kind of thing.  I don't want to have to check both this page and a dedicated wiki to find out what is happening on the wiki farm, nor learn how such a wiki is organized.   04:25, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 2) Per Spike. There is already not enough engagement and usage on Meta, so another wiki is really not what we need. We should focus on Meta. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 06:08, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 3) . We DO NOT need a community wiki is needed at this time. We already have this page, the community noticeboard, and Requests for Permissions, requests for global rights and requests for stewardship. It seems that it would serve the same service as as most of this meta wiki, and I just see no possible usage for this. I also agree with the comments that has made about having to go back and forth between meta and a community wiki. Sorry, it is just not going to work. --TFFfan (talk) 15:10, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm hoping you'll consider amending your !vote, per my comments above, as I really don't think 's goal was for this wiki to replace Meta. The problem with this request is that (a) the wiki shouldn't have been created without a community discussion (not, technically, a requirement, as far as I'm aware, but good practice) and (b) it should've had a clearer purpose, scope, and defined parameters, as we are doing with Dev Wiki and have done with Template Wiki and Miraheze Commons in the past. No community proposals or discussions, or even drafts of such proposals, would've occurred on this wiki. Rather, as I saw it (though vague and unclear), this wiki was meant to be a user collaboration and social connection wiki that would've actually sought to deepen community participation. Participation in this community wiki would've been completely voluntary and not participating would not have meant the user would "miss out" on important community discussions, as I don't think that was ever the intent behind 's good-faith proposal. Dmehus (talk) 15:27, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * 1)  Not needed.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 06:34, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 2)  I do not think another wiki is necessary for the community because for me Meta is the wiki for the community. DeeM28 (talk) 07:30, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Comments

 * Relist to delay archiving. I will be posting an updated proposal on next steps in the next several days. Dmehus (talk) 02:30, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Relist to delay archiving. I will be posting an updated proposal on next steps in the next several days. Dmehus (talk) 01:36, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Relist to delay archiving. I will be posting an updated proposal on next steps in the next several days. Dmehus (talk) 05:21, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

I can embed YT videos: how about Vimeo, niconico, and others?
Such as here. Thanks :) DMBFFF (talk) 05:59, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The YouTube extension has tags to embed niconico videos, just like tags. For other video services, you can enable mw:Extension:Widgets and copy the corresponding widget from this website. Note that some video services might not work if they aren't on the CSP whitelist, so you would have to open a phabricator task to add those sites. K599 (talk) 18:13, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I copied from here, to make this, and it still doesn't work for Vimeo, though your suggestion for niconico does. DMBFFF (talk) 06:52, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Seems like you didn't call the Vimeo widget correctly in that page, the correct syntax would be . You should also undo this edit, as the previous revision is the correct one. Finally, I looked at Miraheze's CSP whitelist, and they don't have *.vimeo.com on there, so you would need to open a phabricator task to add *.vimeo.com to the CSP whitelist. K599 (talk) 16:54, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for assisting here, and for your observation that   is not in the CSP whitelist. So, I've created the task on Phabricator proactively, and its status can be tracked at T6129. Dmehus (talk) 17:08, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, thank you for assisting me, and you too. May both of you be requited for your help. :)    DMBFFF (talk) 01:51, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * So what do I do now? DMBFFF (talk) 07:48, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I might suggest following 's advice earlier in this discussion, now that Phabricator ticket #T6129 has been resolved by and   has been added to the Content Security Policy (CSP) whitelist. Dmehus (talk) 16:19, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Table collapse?
Hi, I wanted to know if there is a way to collapse tables and such (i.e. )? It doesn't seem to work with me. Godless Raven (talk) 07:26, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * There probably is a way to make the wikitable collapsible by creating, or using an existing, CSS class; however, I am not familiar with that coding. I will ping here, as both are our resident CSS experts. What you could do is insert your wikitable within a collapsible template, i.e. collapse top and collapse bottom, but this may not produce the exact desired outcome for which you're seeking. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 14:01, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Collapsible tables and such uses the class . See Manual:Collapsible Elements --  Void  Whispers 15:51, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Anyone want to help me make a wiki?
Wiki: Disney Universe wiki

Anyone want to help me make a in-universe only wiki about anything and everything Disney owns? Disney Universe wiki...I would like people to help write pages. I only need a few people to help but the more the better. Gtbot2007 (talk) 23:55, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

What happened with ogg-files?
There is no inline-player anymore on pages of ogg-files. I am using this format quite frequently on my wiki, and now all pages with embedded ogg-files are unusable. Here is an example: Example of page with ogg-file Lily (Lilypond Wiki · talk and I will listen · my little garden ) 07:36, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I found the solution, I have removed an extension, after reinstalling everything works fine, sry, Lily (Lilypond Wiki · talk and I will listen · my little garden ) 09:39, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Asking a Question
This is my first day in Miraheze. I want to translate a wiki from English to Chinese, but I don't know how. Hope someone answer this. CA9526 (talk) 01:40, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * First, welcome to Miraheze, and to Meta. Thank you for signing your posts with four tildes . You're off to an excellent start. Second and in terms of your question, which wiki do you want to translate or help translate (i.e., your own wiki, another Miraheze customer wiki, or Meta)? Also, are you wanting to translate content pages or interface messages? The former is done through the Translate extension and the latter is done through translatewiki.net. Look forward to helping you with the answer(s) to your question(s) here. Dmehus (talk) 01:45, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for praising. Actually I used Wikipedia for almost two years. I just want to translate the 2b2t wiki into Chinese. The English wiki is: https://2b2t.miraheze.org/wiki/2b2t_Anarchy_Server_Wiki CA9526 (talk) 02:16, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Displaytitle
Hi, I wanted to use the  magic word, but it doesn't accept unless   is equivalent to the page's title. Is there any way I can bypass this and name  the way I want? Already tested the NoTitle and DisplayTitle extensions but I don't think I had any success. Godless Raven (talk) 08:52, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hrm, that's very odd, and is possibly a MediaWiki configuration issue that needs to be fixed. On the Wikimedia wikis, I'm sure it's possible to modify the page's title, as I've sometimes seen editors on English Wikipedia try and change the page's title using that magic word without requesting a page move. I'm not as familiar with, though, so hopefully Reception123 can maybe see this thread. Dmehus (talk) 13:00, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, yeah, on another wiki I worked at  works. Godless Raven (talk) 21:23, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Go to Special:ManageWiki/settings and under the "edit" tab, unset the "Restrict Display Title" setting. K599 (talk) 21:26, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for the answer! Fixed it. Godless Raven (talk) 09:31, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Unable to change skins via Special:ManageWiki
Hi, I followed the instructions to change the wiki's default skin by visiting Special:ManageWiki, however my wiki has no option to change the skin (I wanted to set Erudite to the default skin, but the only options I see are "Database Name", "Site Name", "Language", "Server Name", and "Category").

Help would be appreciated.--Callipedia (talk) 16:05, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , thank you for reporting this issue. I've referred it to Reception123, a system administrator, and one of our community volunteers and security reviewers,, will be resolving this issue on GitHub for you, and will follow up with you here when it's resolved. Dmehus (talk) 18:59, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , to set the default skin you would need to go to Special:ManageWiki/settings rather than simply ManageWiki. Once at /settings, go to the "styling" tab and there should be a defualt skin option to change it. All this is determinate on the fact you enabled the skin at Special:ManageWiki/extensions "skin" tab. If you did that, and the skin is not an option to set as default let me know and I'll get it fixed to make that possible to add as default, though it should already be possible. Thanks! 19:09, 6 September 2020 (UTC) ］ |
 * Thanks very much. I'm trying the Citizen skin now, and at the bottom of the page, there are two lines of text which say:

'''"Edit this text on MediaWiki:Citizen-footer-desc" '''
 * And

'''"Edit this text on MediaWiki:Citizen-footer-tagline" '''
 * I'm not sure how to change these, if someone would help me that would be great.--Callipedia (talk) 20:11, 6 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Um, do what it's telling you to do! I don't know Citizen, but it looks like it has two strings, MediaWiki:Citizen-footer-desc and the other one.  There might be two more with "-header-" at the top of the page.  My guess is that what you are seeing is the default text, which you replace with your desired text by editing those pages.  Like it says.   20:52, 6 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Indeed, here on Meta, -desc exists and does contain exactly the text you report.


 * PS—Can someone edit the initial legend at Special:ManageWiki to link to these subpages? It's not intuitive.  Ideally, as we are using tabs, they would all fit on a single page.   22:44, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, nevermind, I figured out how to do it.--Callipedia (talk) 21:22, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm considering to make a wiki on Miraheze...
I'm considering to make a wiki on Miraheze. And then, I have some questions.


 * 1) Is it free of charge to making a wiki / wikis, no matter how many wikis I'll make or no matter what settings I'll need?
 * 2) Will I able to make non-login users be not able to view pages in wiki?

Thank you. --Imaginary unit (talk) 15:31, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Miraheze, to Meta, and thank you signing your talk page and noticeboard posts with four tildes . To answer your questions in the order asked, yes, wikis are completely free, and configuration is entirely up to you. If something can't be done in Special:ManageWiki, you can request most things on Phabricator, too! You don't even need to worry about bandwidth or data storage; system administrators worry about that! To your second question, there's two possibilities here. You can request a private wiki accessible only by "members" and "administrators" of your wiki. Alternatively, you could probably change the  permission to the registered, logged in users group. Most people opt for the first option, though. In any event, users will still attach their accounts to your wiki, but they won't be able to read your wiki if it's made "private" (other than your main page, and there's a workaround for that). Dmehus (talk) 15:58, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you! --Imaginary unit (talk) 06:55, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I requested for creating a wiki. About how long does it take to create a wiki? --Imaginary unit (talk) 11:26, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem. To your follow up question, as soon as I am done my morning Meta rounds, I'll review your wiki request, but, typically, our aim is to have all wikis created within 24 hours in nearly all cases. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 14:47, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! --Imaginary unit (talk) 14:53, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Custom domain for this wiki
Now even though this wiki is pretty inactive and only has a few pages, I have a ton of pages to make and I mean A TON. This wiki is very customized, and I think this wiki's domain should be naasgameland. AppleCrunchy (talk) 18:51, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Are you a  on this wiki? If so, then you can purchase or obtain a free domain, and request a custom domain configuration, following the custom domains instructions in a Phabricator request. To sign in to Phabricator, you need to click "MediaWiki login," and it'll use your MediaWiki login through OAuth to link your accounts. Dmehus (talk) 19:09, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

My Alf wiki needs help
My wiki A Age of Civilizations 2 wiki needs help, Link: https://aoc2.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page Μπέλα2006🌎 (talk) 19:19, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * What does it need help with? UpnCbs06 (talk) 20:23, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe Μπέλα2006 is trying to recruit volunteers for his Age of Civilizations 2 wiki, mainly around importing templates, WikiBase configuration for infoboxes, and writing content pages. I would recommend reaching out to him at his local user talk page, if you are able to offer some assistance. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 22:45, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Translations
Hello, I was wondering why you guys don't use the Special:MyLanguage for links that should/could use them? The way it is now is that, if I use any of the links on the main page it's always sends me to the English version, until I actively change it to Swedish or if I add the /sv at the end of each link, why go through all that bother when one could just use the tags and add Special:MyLanguage to the links directly? Now I'm no technician but they use those on Wikimedia's wikis and it's very handy so it struck me that you guys don't use them. Am I supposed to add /sv at the end of links when adding translations or could you implement Special:MyLanguage somehow instead? --Raltseye (talk) 01:49, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Miraheze, and to Meta, and thank you for your translating work. I have moved this discussion from stewards' noticeboard to here, where it is now in scope. We usually do use Special:MyLanguage. Which page(s) have they not been used, and do you have experience with the Translate extension? I'd have no problem giving you access to the translation administrator tools on Meta. Let me know if you're interested, and I'll follow up with you on your your user talk page here on Meta. Dmehus (talk) 01:56, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * FAQ, Categories, Donate, in the sidebar, and the Main Page. And yes, I saw after I wrote this message that some other do use this feature so maybe I should have waited until I saw knew better. Sorry. --Raltseye (talk) 02:03, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * EDIT: oh yeah, and the link itself to Main Page both in the side bar and the logo preferably. And the  and   should be translateble. Maybe it is and I don't see where. --Raltseye (talk) 02:16, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, yeah, noticeboards and talk pages we generally do not translate, mainly because they change so frequently, and multiple people contribute to these discussions. In terms of the other pages, I suspect you may have found some pages that hadn't yet been prepared for translation by a translation administrator or administrator. Were there any pages where there was no "Translate this page" link at the top of page and you manually created a language code subpage? If not, then we should be fine. If so, can you make a list of any manual subpages you created, and then post them in a thread on Administrators' noticeboard for an administrator or translation administrator to take a look at? Regardless, even if you didn't manually create any language subpages, we may needed to have just re-prepared the given page(s) for translation with the Special:MyLanguage links. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 02:24, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I understand that you don't translate talk pages and noticeboards since they would have to be in those languages as well, which might be difficult to patrol and maybe not very useful.
 * But that's not my point, what I meant is that the side bar and the Main Page don't use Special:MyLanguage in their links to other pages so they don't point to the translated pages. For instance, on the main page we have the sentance  which use neither tvar nor Special:MyLanguage, it should, in the source code look like this  . This is desired since it makes the translation look like this  . Where $faq in this instance is swapped for the target link, in this instance Special:MyLanguage/FAQ which for me would take me to FAQ/sv (if it exists).
 * I went on a tangent here, just ignore it. --Raltseye (talk) 02:42, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for reporting this. I see what you're saying, so I have modified MediaWiki:Sidebar to include the Special:MyLanguage links for the FAQ and Category:Miraheze. I didn't do the special page links as should automatically route to the user's language choice, and also didn't do the noticeboard links because those will be in English only, unfortunately. Let me know if I've addressed all your points. Dmehus (talk) 03:34, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I understand, Thank you! Also, the Main Page and some other pages, Donate for instance, don't use Special:MyLanguage either. Could you take care of that? --Raltseye (talk) 03:38, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * This has now been ✅, and Main Page should be updated momentarily, so you can update the translation pages. Thank you for reporting this! Separately, did you happen to create any manual translation subpages, or did you always click "translate this page" when translation? Dmehus (talk) 03:56, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I have always edited with the translation extension.
 * By the way, can you change my user name, or is there a form I have to fill for that? --Raltseye (talk) 16:34, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem, and that's great. Let me know if you are ever interested in helping out as a translation administrator. You can ask on my user talk page. As to a rename, yes, you can use Special:GlobalRenameRequest, and a steward should action it within a few days to a week in most cases. Dmehus (talk) 16:39, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Is it possible to make the Main Page link in the side bar as well as on the logo itself use Special:MyLanguage?
 * Could you also create these:
 * {|class="wikitable"

! page || with the text MediaWiki:Stewards' noticeboard/sv || Stewardernas anslagstavla
 * MediaWiki:Donate/sv || Donera
 * MediaWiki:Requests/sv || Begäran
 * MediaWiki:Requests for Comment/sv || Begäran om kommentar
 * MediaWiki:Requests for adoption/sv || Begäran om adoption
 * MediaWiki:Noticeboards/sv || Anslagstavlor
 * MediaWiki:Community noticeboard/sv || Gemenskapens anslagstavla
 * MediaWiki:Administrators' noticeboard/sv
 * MediaWiki:Requests for adoption/sv || Begäran om adoption
 * MediaWiki:Noticeboards/sv || Anslagstavlor
 * MediaWiki:Community noticeboard/sv || Gemenskapens anslagstavla
 * MediaWiki:Administrators' noticeboard/sv
 * MediaWiki:Community noticeboard/sv || Gemenskapens anslagstavla
 * MediaWiki:Administrators' noticeboard/sv
 * MediaWiki:Administrators' noticeboard/sv
 * }
 * This will translate the currently untranslated tabs in the side bar into Swedish. If that's okay. --Raltseye (talk) 22:37, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * You've linked to pages in MediaWiki namespace, did you possibly mean Main namespace? Otherwise, unless those pages are listed in Special:AllMessages, that would likely not produced the desired result. I'm not opposed to adding Special:MyLanguage to those noticeboard links, but my concern is that users may inadvertently create manual translations, outside of the Translate extension since we have no desire to translate the noticeboards (due to their dynamically changing content). Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 23:32, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * No I meant to do it in the MediaWiki name space, since that's where they are. See if you change these, the interface will change name of the links of the noticeboards into the desired language, it will not add suffixes to the link target. You shouldn't use Special:MyLanguage in the MediaWiki namespace. If you change the language to Czech (cs), and note how MediaWiki:Noticeboards/cs changes the  in the side bar into Nástěnky without changing the link target. I want to do the same with Swedish (sv). If that's okay. --Raltseye (talk) 00:03, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes, I do see that. Thanks for clarifying. I trust you can understand my reluctance to modify the languages manually in MediaWiki: namespace as, normally, localisation changes to interface messages are done through translatewiki.net and piped through to localisation MirahezeMagic  files. Since these are Meta-specific pages, the translatewiki.net localisation isn't appropriate. So, I will do this for you then. Dmehus (talk) 00:42, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * This is ✅. Thank you. Note that I thought you meant for MediaWiki:Administrators' noticeboard/sv as Administrators' noticeboard, so I used Google Translate to correct the translation. I see now, though, that this was indeed for Stewards' noticeboard, so I will make that correction. Do you have a translation I can use for MediaWiki:Meta:Administrators' noticeboard/sv? I would like the Meta Administrators' noticeboard to be translated to the Swedish. Also, do you happen to know which file needs to be modified to translate the main page and logo links? Thanks! Dmehus (talk) 01:00, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * yes I can understand your reluctance, that's why I asked if that's okay, because I didn't know if it was. Anyway, "Administrator's Noticeboard" would be  and "Meta Administrators' noticeboard" would be.
 * The Main page link in the side bar I assume can be modified on MediaWiki:Sidebar maybe. The logo on the other hand, not so sure, some other sites I've been on have the same issue, were the link below works but not the Logo itself, very weird I must say but unfortunatelly I don't know how to fix it exactly. --Raltseye (talk) 06:32, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Unable to import large numbers of pages
I have about 6,000 pages which I'm trying to import to my Wiki using Special:Import. Every time I try to import more than about 5 pages at a time, the import times out and failed to upload more than about 5 pages.

Is there anyway to make the import feature import larger numbers of pages, or any alternative way to import pages? Thanks.--Callipedia (talk) 18:26, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It could be because your XML dump is larger than 250 MB. In such cases, what you need to do is open a Phabricator task, under the Maintenance workboard of the MediaWiki project. Sign in with your MediaWiki account, which will then be linked using OAuth. Be sure to attach the XML file to the ticket. Dmehus (talk) 20:27, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

WikiSEO/Add HTML Meta and Title
Hi, I am sorry for coming to ask again, but I wanted some help with my wiki. I have both "Add HTML Meta and Title" and "WikiSEO" enabled, but I don't really know how to use them?

For instance:

I replaced seo title="word1,word2" with the name of my wiki ("SocDemWiki"), I didn't know what metakeywords nor metadescription mean so I just left them empty and I used the google site verification string. The verification failed when I went to the Google Search console. I would appreciate any help. Godless Raven (talk) 10:56, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * For google site verification, maybe using the setting in Special:ManageWiki/settings might work better, though admittedly I don't know a lot about that stuff. The other things seem fine as far as I can tell. For the meta description, I would suggest enabling mw:Extension:Description2 to automatically make a meta description for every page, if you want that. K599 (talk) 17:23, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Ahhhhh thank you so much ! I am an idiot, I should've looked there first! I was able to verify and I am very grateful for your suggestion. Godless Raven (talk) 22:17, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Please fix this bug
Hey so please fix this bug because when ever I click the edit button on a wiki it gives me this error, "Error loading data from server: apierror-visualeditor-docserver-http-error: (curl error: 52) Server returned nothing (no headers, no data). Would you like to retry?" so can you please fix this? Thank you for reading this. Codeingit (talk) 16:00, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * First I've procedurally moved this discussion to here, where it is now modestly more in scope. Second, this is an active deployed extension bug with the VisualEditor extension and, specifically, the switching between VE's visual and source editing (also called New Wikitext Editor). It's experienced by more users than users who do not experience it. An exact cause has yet to be determined, but I strongly suspect it is related to Miraheze's default configuration for VisualEditor, which I believe should be having the New Wikitext Editor enabled by default as a non-beta feature in all namespaces, regardless of whether visual editing mode is enabled in that namespace. You can follow the progress in Phabricator ticket T5904. Additionally, I plan to raise a support question of the broader MediaWiki community at mw:Project:Support desk later today. Dmehus (talk) 16:16, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

May we create the mirror site of mediawiki.org?
As everyone knows, users in China cannot visit some site of Wikimedia, such as zh.wikipedia.org or mediawiki.org (It works at a few time of July)

Wikipedia has lots of mirror site in China. For example the WanWeiBaiKe.

Now mediawiki.org does not work in China. And it has lots of helps about using Mediawiki, especially extensions and versions. It is important.

Then I have a thinking: may we create the mirror site of mediawiki.org like wikipedia?

Or, create some infowikis. Such as MediawikiExtensionWiki, MediawikiHelpingWiki, MediawikiVersionsWiki, and so on.

I do not have enough power .It is only throw away a brick in order to get a gem.

--开炸弹车 (talk) 03:46, 13 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Would this result in all of Miraheze becoming inaccessible in China too?  16:54, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * raises a good philosophical question. As I understand it, users from China already have to request either a local or global IP block exemption on Miraheze, so this wouldn't be my primary argument against this. My main concern would be both the timeliness and accuracy of keeping the forked MediaWiki.org website up to date, to be honest. It's a good-faith idea, and I can't say I'd be opposed, per se, but I'd want to see an exhaustive and thorough proposal, to be sure. Dmehus (talk) 18:13, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Template error
Hello,

I have a wiki, a Hungarian wiki. I want everything to work. But it's not so. I made the mineral infobox (Ásvány infobox). And writes this: Warning: This page calls Sablon:Ásvány infobox which causes a template loop (an infinite recursive call). But why? My wiki is here Thank you so much :) - Lois (talk) 13:31, 13 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you for providing a link to your wiki. Only, I don't have permission to even read its pages!
 * When you get that error message, it is usually telling the truth. The last person I helped with this had an example on the template of how to call it.  And, for illustration, the example called it (called itself)!  Which would call itself, which would call itself, etc.  Please look to see if you are doing this too.   16:45, 13 September 2020 (UTC)


 * This was discussed in this archive. In  another template problem, a template included itself in a category meant only for pages that called it.   16:53, 13 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Okay, I read it, I understood. I exported the infobox to my wiki. Now the error: "Script error: There is no infobox module". But why? What's not good? I don't understand... - Lois (talk) 14:02, 14 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Templates are easy, all they do is repeat themselves in any page that calls them like this, although they can also make substitutions and do simple computing. Modules are actual programs that can do more complicated computing, I've never used them.  However, as we say in FAQ, if you import something from Wikipedia, you must import the entire thing.  That's all I know.  I still don't have permission to read the template in question and point to where you are calling a module.   15:37, 14 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I have limited experience with Lua modules as well, but it sounds like you may need to import the Lua module Module:Infobox. Can you see if that's imported to your wiki? If it is, check for a configuration subpage. The configuration is usually fairly self-explanatory. Dmehus (talk) 18:12, 14 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes, I imported the Module:Infobox. But not good. Error:"Script error: the image function does not exist". What is the error? My wiki is hereI would be so happy if someone would help me :) - Lois (talk) 17:08, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Can this be undeleted?
There was a talk page for a user. but they deleted it after Flow was added, I tried getting the old version back for proof that a user wanted to close the wiki but no matter what I did it did not work, I even tried renaming the page but that did not work, the page I'm trying to bring back can be found on the latest contribution of the user who made the message, their contributor's page can be found [here]. the edit says "Pages:New Section" and has "(+306)" on it, whenever I click diff it just brings me to the page that replaced the one I'm trying to bring back. and when I click hist it shows me the history of the page that replaced the page I was trying to bring back, and it does not show any edits of the deleted page. Can you please Undelete it? ScratchCoder (talk) 15:29, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not familiar, personally, with the SocialProfile extension, but I'm not seeing any evidence that this has been oversighted, so I have procedurally moved your discussion from this discussion on stewards' noticeboard to here, where it is now more in scope, and someone may be able to help you. Looking through all those contributions, I just see empty social profile pages, so if a user has removed their information from their profile, they have that right to do so. So, I'm honestly and personally not sure this requires further investigation, to be honest. In addition, I saw no mention of the page(s) referenced on that linked "contributions" page for that user, so I can't really assist you, but in all honesty, I don't see the point—if a wiki is inactive, it will be deleted per Dormancy Policy eventually. Hope this helps. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 18:27, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't know why you could not see the edit on the talk page, but I decided to delete the current talk page and I was able to find the page I was trying to get back (but the page is still deleted.) here ScratchCoder (talk) 19:32, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * That's because non-administrators cannot see deleted revisions. It sounds like a talk page was previously deleted and subsequently recreated over top of the existing one. You could've alternatively restored the deleted revisions in "view history." Either approach works, though. Dmehus (talk) 20:19, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Just search User talk:WickyHoney/old AppleCrunchy (talk) 19:11, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Accounts being created automatically
Hi, on my wiki it shows that the following accounts were created automatically in my User creation log:

01:50, 11 September 2020 User account InternetArchiveBot talk contribs block was created automatically 00:07, 6 September 2020 User account RedTheShadowWarrior73 talk contribs block was created automatically 01:23, 1 September 2020 User account Pppery talk contribs block was created automatically 01:15, 1 September 2020 User account MusikAnimal talk contribs block was created automatically

I'm unsure what this is (e.x. spam) since neither me nor any other editors I've invited to my Wiki are using these accounts, thanks.--Callipedia (talk) 18:37, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * This is part of the Miraheze wiki configuration, and, unfortunately, cannot be changed. If a user is signed in on another Miraheze wiki when they visit your wiki, they are automatically signed in to your wiki by attaching their accounts upon visiting your wiki. Also, if you import templates from other wikis and choose to assign contributions to local Miraheze users, their accounts will be attached in that event, which looks like it may be the case given three of those users are local Miraheze users who contribute to Wikimedia wikis rather extensively. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 18:41, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks--Callipedia (talk) 21:00, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem. :) Dmehus (talk) 21:07, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

What is interwiki
I hear you need to request interwiki admin rights from a steward, but I don't know what Interwiki is, and why does a steward need to assign it to you AppleCrunchy (talk) 19:13, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this question, and for providing me the opportunity to answer it for you. Essentially, there is an interwiki table that is global and which applies to all wikis. Currently, it exists here on Meta, at Special:Interwiki. In addition, there is a local interwiki table on the same special page on customer wikis, which allows for specific websites and prefixes to be added to that customer's wiki. We do have interwiki administrators who can add links, upon request, to any wiki's local interwiki table (usually by way of a request here on this noticeboard on Meta). If you meet the prerequisites, are active on Meta in some way, and are active on more than one wiki, you, too, can request global interwiki administrator at requests for global rights. It is also possible to organize either a local interwiki administrator election or appointment process on your local wiki(s). The current requirement is that you must hold  rights on each wiki. You should ideally link to your local policies governing your local interwiki administrator election process, if you use an election, or your appointment/selection process, if you use an appointment or selection regime. If using a local election, you would also need to specify the candidate(s) running and number of position(s) open, in addition to the duration of the election and the minimum net support ratio required for success, the latter two of those four points in your election rules. Following this local process, you simply link to both your local policies and the local election in the format   in a new request on stewards' noticeboard. The reason that this user group is only granted, locally as well as globally, by stewards is because of the potential for malicious or grossly harmful external links from being added to the interwiki table, and the fact that MediaWiki software allows interwiki hard redirects, such that users are automatically redirected to the external website without any user intervention. If you just have a couple links you want added, though, let me know, and I'd be happy to add them. Dmehus (talk) 22:51, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

I need help adding twinkle to my wiki
I added some interface pages, but I don't see any twinkle gadgets in there. I might choose Dmehus or Universal Omega to help me if I have many issues, and I'll make them both interface admins. AppleCrunchy (talk) 18:23, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I thank you very much for the kind words and offer, and hope you won't mind, but I will likely have to ever so politely decline your most generous invitation, as installing Twinkle is a lot of work. Installing the actual gadget files is not too complicated, but you have to de-Wikipedia-ify all of the gadget code, mainly through updating the templates that it calls and your namespaces and all of that. Plus, you have to import all the templates and modules. So, in short, it's probably the most complicated gadget to install, and I would note that even Wikimedia's Meta Wiki does not have Twinkle (likely for this reason). Dmehus (talk) 18:33, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, I want a crat to implement the advanced search option, I need to search things only in the MediaWiki namespace AppleCrunchy (talk) 18:38, 15 September 2020 (UTC)