User talk:Dmehus

Regarding Category:Wikipedia indefinitely semi-protected pages
Hi, I was wondering why you chose to call it "Wikipedia indefinitely" rather than use Meta instead. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 06:41, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , I think I did that because it matched the template imported from English Wikipedia, as the template added that redlinked category, so I just opted to create the category. In the course of some of the editing I've been doing, I've noticed other experienced editors like doing the same thing, which reaffirmed whether I should've renamed the template first. I have nothing against fixing the category the template is calling and then moving, without leaving a redirect, the category to the new name if you or an administrator want to do that. In fact, I'd actually probably favour that. --Dmehus (talk) 13:51, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes it should probably be changed on the templates and then moved, as it's confusing to have a category that mentions Wikipedia here. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 18:32, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Your RfC
Hello,

Being enthusiastic is a good thing but please get more involved in the community before creating RfCs on policy. We have a very different structure to most Wikimedia Wikis like you might be used to. I strongly suggest logging onto IRC and discussing these things with us so you can get our insight first.

We are always open to new ideas but I don't want you to waste time on things that will quickly be shut down. Please do also be aware that if this happens regularly, you could face a topic ban.

Thanks,
 * ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c - 21:28, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't use IRC, but do use Discord. Are you, and others, not as active on Discord as you are on IRC? I also don't want to waste my time on RfCs. What prompted it was the issue that arose on the Stewards' noticeboard about the abuse filter not allowing users to submit a global user page with external links in it (like your global user page) even after they've bypassed the CAPTCHA. You're a local Administrator here on Meta and have the technical aptitude and competence to modify the abuse filter and make other changes, so you were top of my mind in my thought that it would make sense for local Meta admins and Global Sysops to be added as the sort of users that can assist the stewards and system administrators with maintaining Login wiki. Dmehus (talk) 21:35, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Discord is fine! I understand why you might think certain things but what's great in your head based on Wikimedia might not be for us. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  22:25, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Surprisingly, I hadn't navigated to the Main Page on Login wiki and I do see there is not supposed to be any content outside of user or user talk pages and a minimal number of templates, but perhaps we could create a single page here on Meta that describes how Login wiki is governed and managed (not a long page; something minimal, like our other Meta content pages). Included within that page, could, potentially be a brief narrative that describes the process by which System Administrators or Stewards may appoint local administrators or bureaucrats on Login wiki to assist them with managing that wiki only? Also, are you a local administrator on Miraheze Commons? I noticed that the Administrators' noticeboard there is a redlink. I'd love to discuss with you on Discord some ideas I have to developing brief local policies for Commons. I agree that minimal policies are generally better. Dmehus (talk) 22:40, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

June 2020
Hi,

Please stop getting involved in situations you do not understand. You are not helping and in many cases are spreading advice that is simply wrong, not helpful at all and stepping on other peoples toes. You may be partially blocked from Noticeboards if you can not stick to answering things that you actually understand.

Thanks,
 * ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c - 06:21, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, please note that since Miraheze works differently than many other sites you may be used to before answering to such questions at the beginning it is important that you ask more experienced editors how things work around here. If you are unsure of an answer, it is often best not to post it as it may inadvertently cause confusion or may be incorrect. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 06:25, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * hey I'm definitely trying to understand the processes around here, though it's, perhaps, a little difficult with the overlapping responsibilities between system administrators and stewards. I'm happy to step away from answering questions on the Stewards' noticeboard, limiting my involvement to minor things like adding unsigned signature information to users' posts or comments who have forgotten to add them, and to instead focusing my responses at the Community noticeboard on topics I fully understand. Where I'm uncertain, I'll reach out to one of you. Dmehus (talk) 14:42, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for understanding. You shouldn't be discouraged to help out, it's just better that you get used to things work and feel free to ask me about anything at any time :) Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 09:11, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I am also quite new to the Miraheze project and for now I only check Meta every once in a while and comment on RfCs because I don't know much about it but I think we need to be nicer and more understanding to the new people and help them understand how this project works because also when I first joined it was confusing and hard to get used to the rules that you have here. DeeM28 (talk) 10:00, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks both for your messages, and to above as well. One of this project's strengths is that it doesn't have very many policies and guidelines, in contrast to the Wikimedia projects (especially English Wikipedia) which have so many policies, guidelines, and so forth that they're either to possibly know them all or they come into conflict with each other. I think, in my case, I was encouraged by that ability to just use common sense and boldly help out. This caused me to participate a little bit too excessively on the stewards' noticeboard in answering questions on which I wasn't 100% certain, particularly after seeing some unanswered questions at the top of that noticeboard and even some be archived by the bot without an answer. This wasn't that I was intentionally giving out the wrong information or anything, of course, but it wasn't helpful, in several cases.
 * This is just my personal opinion, but I know we go to some degree of effort to say how we do things differently, and arguably better, I'd argue, than the Wikimedia projects. However, I think we're trying to have the stewards' noticeboard do too much, if that makes sense. For reports of cross-wiki vandalism and long-term abuse and some other things, it generally works pretty well, but I do think for things like requests from wiki owners to delete their wikis, rename their wikis, and those sort of things, I think we should expand the scope of Phabricator by creating a "steward requests" form. On that form, it could list briefly the types of requests handled in that way. Since volunteers so regularly monitor Phabricator and Discord, I think we'd have a better handle overall of tracking, triaging, and answering requests. Phabricator is still publicly available, just like the wiki, so anyone can look old tickets. As well, its search functionality may be more robust that the MediaWiki search function, so could be utilized by customers for seeing if another customer had a similar problem. It may even have a module built-in, or that could be added, that would allow the system administrators and/or stewards to build a searchable knowledgebase of past questions. Dmehus (talk) 14:36, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Your reply on steward board
Hi sorry I saw your message late anyways I’m messaging you about the message reply on steward board I didn’t hear anything back from it and sorry for no reply I just saw it tonight Have you heard anything back on it however? --Cocopuff2018 04:30, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
 * It looks like Void has followed up with you on the stewards' noticeboard. I would've only been able to reply to say that if you have not heard back from a steward, it may be because there are guidelines which prevent them from replying publicly and that your best bet is probably to follow-up via e-mail to, which Void has now recommended. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 20:30, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Question
Dmehus, Could you help me import Some templates to the canimals wiki only miraheze(Even though you mostly likely have never seen it)?--Μπέλα2006 (talk) 17:58, 29 June 2020 (UTC) link: https://canimalswiki.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page
 * I've got some things to do today and tomorrow. Can it wait till Wednesday or so? Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 18:09, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah Ok--Μπέλα2006 (talk) 18:21, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Now that it is Wednesday, could you now help me?--Μπέλα2006 (talk) 17:31, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Autopatrol
Hello,

Per your own request and improved behaviours and attempts to learn, I have restored. Please continue with your progress as your help is much appreciated. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c - 10:25, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , thank you. Please let me know if my performance slips, too. Dmehus (talk) 13:57, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

A note about wiki request comments
Hi,

Just a note that until T5578 is implemented, simply leaving a comment on an open wiki request does not notify the user, and therefore unless they are watching their request in the queue/farmer log they will not see it. As such, when a wiki request needs more information, consider marking the request as "declined" in addition to putting a comment so that the user will receive a ping and will be more likely to do something about it. Amanda Catherine (talk) 19:41, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. Yeah, I wondered if the user got notified of comments. Now I see why you are more liberal with your "declines," to get them to respond to it and resubmit the request. I had been messaging them on their user talk page for some of them, but it's a fair bit of work. I might try and do what has started doing and substitute some canned messages from my userspace, but your approach does the trick as well. ;) Dmehus (talk) 20:01, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Apology
I am sorry, I regretted making that request.--Μπέλα2006 (talk) 19:29, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * No worries. It's forgotten. No one will probably notice it; I suspect users rarely trawl through declined wiki requests. Feel free to submit a new wiki request anytime. I haven't forgotten about your message above; I'm working on something in real life right now, so have to postpone you 2-3 more days. Dmehus (talk) 19:35, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Speaking of wiki, would you help me with the unpleasant apps wiki (one of the wikis I own) to add templates?--Μπέλα2006 (talk) 19:37, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Link: https://cringyapps.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page --Μπέλα2006 (talk) 19:37, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Question
I just opened a new wiki called Dreadful Restaurants and Food wiki (Link: https://dreadfulrestaurantsandfoodwiki.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page), I already seem to have problems wit’s it in terms of importing templates, so could you help me?--Μπέλα2006 (talk) 15:51, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Wow, you, and others, have already created a lot of content pages and done a lot of work on that wiki in a short span of time. While it's a brightly coloured wiki, the user interface is at least passably readable. My only suggestions would be to (1) add the usual "tools" links as seen on here on Meta in the sidebar, as I find them handy points of reference for quickly looking up a user's block log, the user's rights, and special e-mail link and (2) at least consider making the standard wiki page the default, with the option to switch to a SocialProfile userpage (I've seen this done on some wikis, so should be possible).
 * As for importation, what, specifically, is your issue? Also, are you using  importation of an XML file or   by transwiki? Most people usually use transwiki importation, though, interestingly, I've only used the former. Dmehus (talk) 00:02, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Talkback
Hello Dmehus. ㊗️⚽️Μπέλα2006⚽️㊗️ (talk) 16:53, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the Twinkle talkback test. Hello! Dmehus (talk) 00:03, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Apologies
Hello Dmehus! I am here to just write you a message. I know what I did at the test wiki was wrong. I have taken time to look at rules for both meta and test wiki, and I would like to apologize for my actions. I do realize that they were completely inappropriate, and did not contribute at all to the project. When I get unblocked on August 1st, I will be constructive there, and I will not block users there unless they are posing an immediate threat to the wiki that cannot be waited for a consul to intervene. Again, I apologise, and I would like to eventually come back to the project. With regrets, TFFfan (talk) 15:35, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * No worries; I will be glad to have you back on TestWiki come August 1st. Your investigation of the behaviour of that user was useful and entirely good-faith, but it was just a matter of you over-stepping. When you do come back, based on RhinosF1's message on your user talk page, it does sound like he has not made it mandatory for you to wait 30 days before re-requesting administrator privileges and a further 14 days for 'crat, but rather a strong suggestion. I would concur with that completely. Whether you do decide to wait those timelines or request earlier, my suggestion, and it's only that, is that you have a look at the voluntary editing restrictions on the TestWiki:Editing restrictions page I made on TestWiki. This would act as a governor on you because, if in doubt, before taking any action, you can always double-check with that page to see whether that action would find you in breach of your voluntary editing restriction. The voluntary restriction(s) I would recommend would be creating abuse filters on only subpages of your User: userspace before running it by a Consul. Since it's a voluntary restriction, you could define the parameters for lifting it (whether you can lift it unilaterally at a set point or you must appeal to the community noticeboard after a set point). Come August 1st, come to my user talk page on TestWiki and we can discuss this more there. Dmehus (talk) 15:46, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for any confusion
IDK if you saw my RequestWiki description edit, because you declined it even though I edited it and explained what an AU is. You can check again tho, and hopefully you'll approve it (I rewrote the entire thing) Creeper72 (talk)
 * That makes much more sense! AU meaning Alternate Universe helps me a lot. It's basically a fictional worldbuilding wiki related to your topic, correct? Also, you mentioned in the original request that it may have some NSFW content, is that correct? If not, let me know and I'll update the comments as I added that in the comments. Otherwise, your wiki has been created.
 * The reason we decline wikis when requesting more information is because of a known issue in the CreateWiki extension that doesn't notify the requestor unless their wiki is either (a) created or (b) declined. So, often people don't realize we're requesting more information unless we decline it. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 02:06, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

1. Yes, it is workbuilding

2. 100% sure in the first version of the request I specifically said "zero NSFW content," maybe just seeing the abbreviation gave you the opposite message

3. Ok, good to know!

Soo...
Does a wiki always have to be about a specific topic, or can it just be a general collection of knowledge, like Wikipedia? Please respond. Regards, ^sithjarjar^ (talk) 19:00, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Each wiki should have a specific topic or some sort of clear description as to its purpose and scope, in my view, as it provides something for the stewards to fall back on in the event of a future problem with that wiki in terms of whether or not it strayed from its original purpose. If you can define your purpose and scope a little better, I'd be willing to approve your amended wiki request, provided you that provide on-wiki confirmation that this approval does not preclude other Wikipedia clones from being approved. Dmehus (talk) 20:32, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It should be a lot better now; I didn’t mean to submit it that time. Should be better now... ^sithjarjar^ (talk) 20:38, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * So just to clarify, you understand that this approval does not preclude other Wikipedia clones from being created, and that you expressly acknowledge that you will not have the monopoly on an English Wikipedia wiki, as a topic, correct? Dmehus (talk) 20:43, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, this wiki is not ‘’about’’’ the english wikipedia, it’s similar in ‘’purpose’’ to the English Wikipedia. But yes, I understand that I do not have a monopoly on this wiki. ^sithjarjar^ (talk) 20:45, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I understand that, but you can give me a better topical focus at all? It can be human knowledge, but English Wikipedia is a rather large encyclopedia. Will you be focusing on particular subjects at all, or if all subjects, how will you be doing it differently? For example, there's Simple English Wikipedia, as an alternate form. How will yours be different? With that information, I have enough to approve here. Dmehus (talk) 20:50, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It’s a lot better defined now... ^sithjarjar^ (talk) 21:03, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, I have approved this. Don't make me regret it. ;-)
 * Can you see my comments at the 14:08 (UTC -07:00) and 14:14 (UTC -07:00) timestamps at Special:RequestWikiQueue/13352 and confirm, on-wiki, and by reply to this discussion that my approval conditions and understanding are accurate? That is, your Reborn Wikipedia will have fewer, if any, stub-class (or below) articles and that it will have its own notability policies but they may be different than English Wikipedia's? I think that's enough of a differentiator. :) Dmehus (talk) 21:17, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, I took the liberty of modifying your hostname from Enwiki to enwiki, rather than declining the request again as malformed/invalid, because hostnames/subdomains cannot contain capitalized letters. I trust that's okay. Dmehus (talk) 21:20, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, your conditions are accurate. I will try my very best to uphold them on this wiki, though I am only human. Thank you for creating the wiki! Regards, ^sithjarjar^ (talk) 21:23, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, sounds good. I'll make a note of that in the request. I don't think it will be an issue. If you ever need help with your wiki, feel free to use IRC or Discord as we have lots of active community volunteers willing to help, or to answer questions you may have. Dmehus (talk) 21:51, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Congrats on (almost) 1000 edits on Meta
I think you are a really good user and you solve a bunch of problems. Also I have 100 edits now --InspecterAbdel (talk) 22:00, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , thank you, and thank you for your past support. Incidentally, my reply to you on Stewards' noticeboard was my 1,000th edit on Meta. ;-) Dmehus (talk) 22:21, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi I accidentally messup the Real Life Villains wiki
Sorry about th [ at ] I should have let the system admin handle it instead Andrewbdfe (talk) 20:31, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * No worries. I've been on top of this, and have been trying to track you down. I'd rather keep the discussions in one place, but since you're here, can you kindly confirm that a system administrator is empowered to revert your Special:ManageWiki/namespaces settings change and mass delete the pages prefixed by Thread:, @comment, and any other prefixes handled by the Message Wall extension? Dmehus (talk) 20:37, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes I can kindly confirm that a system administrator to revert my Special:ManageWiki/namespaces and how to? Andrewbdfe (talk) 20:39, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you. And the mass deletions as described? Dmehus (talk) 20:40, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Updated wiki request 13461
Wasn't sure how long it should really be, but I've updated Wiki request 13461 with more details, was told on IRC I should let you know. --Himmalerin (talk) 21:44, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * (talk page stalker) I created the wiki as you were leaving this message. –  AmandaCath  ( talk ) 21:46, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was leaning to approve, but I know that you have declined a lot of purely "test wiki"-focused wiki requests, so wanted to follow up with the requestor to gently guide them to having a secondary aim for the wiki. Nonetheless, I'll approve similar wikis on this basis, especially when they're a private wiki. Thanks for the follow up. Dmehus (talk) 21:50, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Question
Could you explain the issue with innocent users getting banned?--㊗️⚽️Μπέλα2006⚽️㊗️ (talk) 23:20, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I am not Miraheze Staff (a system administrator), so I know the same as any other user, which is essentially nothing. However, I think it's important here to clarify a few things. Firstly, system administrators strictly enforce the Terms of Use, together with the Privacy Policy. They do not enforce the official global community policies the community has authorized by way of successive RfCs and community noticeboard discussions (stewards and Global Sysops handle those). The Code of Conduct shouldn't be confused with the Terms of Use, as the Code of Conduct represents a community-authorized set of standards of conduct to which all users are to adhere, and which help to guide the stewards and other global functionaries in ensuring users adhere to those standards. I assume you are referring to the two users who were recently globally renamed, due to GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation). The GDPR and Miraheze's non-disclosure agreements to which system administrators are bound govern what they can, and cannot, say. So, I will just say what I said on Stewards' noticeboard, not all Terms of Use enforcement actions imply there was anything wrong with a user's contributions. I realize this is a bit vague, but I am hesitant to say anything more as we need to be careful not to say too much. So, I will just say this, I am very confident Miraheze absolutely took the correct action that was in everyone's best interests that it took in light of the information they had available at the time. In short, they, absolutely and completely, exercised their fiduciary duty here. Dmehus (talk) 23:36, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Apology
I am sorry if I kept reverting edits on the Favonian & Tegel Page, I am sorry.--Μπέλα2006🌎 (talk) 02:00, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * No worries, and no need to apologies. Your reverting was done in good-faith...it's just that there becomes a point where one feels like they're banging their head against a brick wall trying to undo the bad edits of a strongly suspected LTA/sockpuppet. Dmehus (talk) 02:08, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah I had enough with this trash-talking user. He should be not even be banned, but locked because of this nonsense.--Μπέλα2006🌎 (talk) 02:12, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * If an administrator here on Meta signs on first, the user will be indefinitely locally blocked pending global lock action by a Global Sysop or steward. Dmehus (talk) 02:16, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Question
, could you help me with the AoC2 wiki? Link: https://aoc2.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page --Μπέλα2006🌎 (talk) 22:44, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Firstly, I noticed you used an external link for your wiki, so I thought I'd take this opportunity to tell you about Miraheze magic hook links, which are formatted as . So, in your case, you would link to , as one example.
 * Secondly, what is the question, and, specifically, briefly tell me what you are wondering about? Dmehus (talk) 22:51, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * GRAMMAR, template imports, and a home page design.--Μπέλα2006🌎 (talk) 22:53, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I can maybe help with importing some core templates, if you give me a list of templates you would like imported, but can't commit to actual content or Main Page design assistance due to other committed Miraheze work. You could maybe post a community noticeboard discussion looking for help with designing your Main Page and doing copy editing on your wiki? Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 22:57, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The Template I want you to import are Blocked templates, Warning templates, Infoboxs for country’s, city’s, game mechanics, and type of governments, Ping templates, The featured template, the colored font template, CSS, Promotion Templates (You could just reskin the block template for this one), and gadgets. These are all the stuff I want you to import and maybe I will do more ideas in the future.--Μπέλα2006🌎 (talk) 23:03, 8 August 2020 (UTC)