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Ghost Taker@motorhoaxwiki
Per this removal diff, user deleted all local roles and needs rebuild of roles + reassignment of bureaucrat/admin rights. NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 14:05, 26 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Pinging @Agent Isai and @Reception123 when they have a moment, as I think this one got lost in the shuffle.
 * --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 17:20, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Reece2o19@reece2oo9wiki
Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 19:44, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

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Increase the expensive parser function limit
The default limit for expensive parser function calls on my wiki Starfleet Logistics, is set to 99, and altering the $wgExpensiveParserFunctionLimit in the “Manage this wiki's additional settings” page(s) requires: Permissions - managewiki-restricted. Is there any way I could get the limit on my wiki raised to over 500 or higher? A couple of the templates and Lua modules in some of the templates I have ported over from Wikipedia are currently returning "too many expensive function calls." errors. Thanks in advance. – Mitchell Gore (talk) 23:14, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

= Wiki reports =

Severe Content Policy Violations On Drawn Fanon Feet Wiki
To start off, this is one of the most disgusting wikis I have ever had to visit. The amount of content policy violations on this wiki is innumerable, the wiki itself should never have been approved. But I'll go ahead and list a few violations here. '''Please be warned, some or all of the links contain sensitive content. You visit these links at your own risk.''' There are countless NSFW and fetish violations on the wiki, and the wiki's content will likely be seen as disturbing. The wiki has violations of Article I, Section VI and Article II of the Content Policy. This would be systemic violations (Article III, Section II).


 * Sierra/Purple Dog: The dog illustrated in the header image is uncomfortably young, users on Discord have shared that sentiment. Additional images on the page suggest youth, specifically this file. This is a direct violation of Article I, Section VI of the Content Policy.
 * Charles/Avocado Cat: The cat illustrated in the header image is again uncomfortably young, and this file again displays it. This is a direct violation of Article I, Section VI of the Content Policy.
 * Mikey/Orange Bird: The bird illustrated in the header image yet again displays a supposedly young animal. Another relevant file is located here. This is a direct violation of Article I, Section VI of the Content Policy.

I highly recommend Stewards take a look at this wiki and take appropriate action as soon as possible. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 04:38, 27 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Coroners and Justice Act 2009 comes to mind. Collei (talk) 05:20, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

= Discussion closure =

= Miscellaneous =

Issue with the AMYTW staff
On mh:amazingyoutubers:Amazing YouTubers Wiki, the staff are, in my opinion, rather lacking in competence and are not very reasonable. To be specific on this story, when Qualitipedia was on the verge of closing, DuchesstheSponge, a bureaucrat who had not contributed to the wiki in a year, attempted to close the wiki. After two failed attempts, he, for whatever reason, decided to abandon his plan to shut down the wiki and started legitimately contributing to it - however, I can't say the moderating has been particularly legitimate. Not long after returning to contributing, he edited the SMG4 page and removed "War of the Fat Italians 2021" from the list of good episodes and moved it to the list of bad episodes without any good explanation - he just said "fuck WOTFI 2021". When a user reverted this, he reverted them and gave no further reasoning to his actions. In addition to this, he also created a page on the SML video "Jeffy's 18th Birthday," which I put up for deletion because I felt it would fit better on Terrible SML Videos Wiki. However, Duchess reverted my edit with no explanation. I then created a topic on his talk page, questioning these two edits along with his apparent rule about the necessity of plainlinks, but he ignored me for a while, before eventually deleting the topic because it was "making him uncomfortable," which, to me, is just pure ignorance.

Meanwhile, thePCGamer, an administrator, is another staff member who has shown a lack of competence. Before DuchesstheSponge even closed the thread mentioned above, they marked the thread as resolved before Duchess could even answer, even though it was not their concern what was going on. Although I cannot prove exactly what they said due to Duchess deleting the topic, I believe their reasoning for closing the thread was that I was "annoying everyone," even though I was asking Duchess questions I believe are important. When I added a second topic about Duchess' behaviour due to his previous complete ignorance, thePCGamer again closed it, questioning why I had to keep asking questions when Duchess doesn't want to reply, and my reasoning why I have to do that is because there is no good reason he doesn't want to reply - it is realistically laziness. After a while, they blocked me because I am asking questions that "nobody seems to care about". When another user questioned this, they claimed that I stalked someone with no evidence, and also used many of the same lazy excuses they and Duchess constantly use. Raidarr and other users thankfully defended me, though thePCGamer has not yet ended their tactics, as they have again closed a thread unrelated to them since.

Pacsonic9000, the owner of AMYTW, although not as bad as Duchess and thePCGamer, still has their issues. They added me to the admin blacklist because I was "annoying" and thought that links and images don't qualify as evidence (which I have reasons for, also I never said links don't qualify as evidence), and also later said I had stalked Duchess (which again, there is no evidence of) and "made him uncomfortable" (which is quite pathetic) and also criticised me for adding Duchess' rant to the New Reception Wiki, which proves that they cannot handle people criticising Duchess, and also called me out on trying to revive Qualitipedia even though the RFC did not directly prevent people from doing that, nor did it necessarily attempt to do so. They also deleted a topic on their talk page questioning their actions, and marked a thread as resolved because I was "annoying," even though the thread was months ago anyway.

I am reporting this here because I have not been able to make any negotiations with the staff, and therefore I now see the only option is reporting it here. Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 00:01, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I should also note I opened a discussion regarding their rights (this), but that has generated little discussion, despite a topic notice being posted on PCGamer and Duchess' talk page. --Blad  (talk • contribs • global) 20:17, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you have any comment here? Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 23:18, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not quite sure what you're asking us to do here. Either way, the general rule is that local communities are responsible for electing their own administrators and Stewards would only intervene in internal matters if it's serious enough. Though these seem to be separate incidents which involve discretion so I'm not sure what Stewards could do, especially not knowing the policies and conventions on that specific wiki. What I would suggest would be to try to ask the users you mention to reply to this thread and explain their side of the story/explain why they took the actions they did. Otherwise I would note that administrators are accountable to their communities and shouldn't in any case try dismiss or hide dissent just because it makes them "uncomfortable". Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 13:10, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I highly doubt that would work. ThePCGamer constantly marks threads made my me as resolved even if it's another admin's thread and they don't request for it to be closed, and the other two are still likely to just resolve the subject with no direct response. Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 00:42, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Warn them against closing threads without valid reason and tell them Stewards are aware. Should they close another thread invalidly for the sake of suppressing local legitimate feedback, raise it up in this thread and we'll send them a message. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 00:45, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
 * That's reasonable, I suppose. Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 23:03, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Pacsonic has banned me. Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 01:22, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * @Agent Isai This is a bump. Collei (talk) 16:42, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 22:52, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * They're probably alerting Agent Isai to this thread, since it hadn't received a reply in a few days and that mentioning a user by name alerts them. It's the same principle as your posting of "Hello?" when one of your threads doesn't receive a reply in over a week. Tali64³ (talk) 23:05, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Tali64³ is correct. Collei (talk) 00:11, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello? Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 23:46, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll ping Agent Isai about it on Discord. Collei (talk) 05:40, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Is anyone here? Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 20:00, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Reply from Agent and others on Discord:
 * Agent — Today at 5:58 AM
 * I was hoping someone else would tackle that
 * NotAracham — Today at 5:59 AM
 * I think just about everything that needs to be said has been said, depending on exactly which multi-page missive from Money that's excerpted from
 * Agent — Today at 6:00 AM
 * My understanding is that Money was asking a bit too insistently about it and got blocked
 * Hypercane — Today at 6:00 AM
 * I just read something else relating to them too there.
 * NotAracham — Today at 6:01 AM
 * They have 3, possibly 4 topics going at present. All of which relate to gripes with different wiki's teams and/or intentions to revive contested wikis that were closed by their administration
 * After a certain point, an emergent pattern says something about the person as opposed to the administration...
 * Hypercane — Today at 6:03 AM
 * That's ultimately what I gathered too. There are some less than ideal administrations out there, but I don't believe this might be the case.
 * Collei (talk) 18:27, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Hey Collei? This isn't a clever thing to do, please don't do it again. --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 22:53, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Apologies. I posted it here because the Discord is public, so I thought people would find most of the things there eventually. However, I understand. I will not post the chat logs from Discord onto here again. Collei (talk) 03:46, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
 * No worries, much appreciated. --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 03:55, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe no one is replying to this unneeded thread because it isn't a steward concern. This shouldn't have been posted. CRAB-2 (talk) 00:05, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * It is indeed a Steward concern. Could you please clarify why you think it's not? I'll ping Agent about it again on Discord. Collei (talk) 05:40, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
 * ,, , , and I don't understand the situation. So you're just giving up on this because you think I'm going to have these issues all of the time? Please re-read the discussion. The staff have constantly been ignoring me, directly resolving discussions with no clear response, and have now blocked me. This is not the same kind of situation as the PRGW one. Also, the PRGW discussion as far as I am concerned is supposed to be over. Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 20:17, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Most of the people you've pinged are not in any position to address the issue. I think you need to be more discerning with your ping-bat, which doesn't present a good look as it seems like you are attempting to complain to as many people as possible, damn the relevance. I expect the actual functionaries here have ignored it because it is a low priority concern on a low priority wiki which is one among your numerous issues you seem to find yourself in.
 * I will say the administration has a frustrating tendency to ignore anything they don't want to deal with, which is essentially everything related to actually managing the wiki (though they're quite happy to micromanage their little name and shame list of people they don't like and don't want as admins). That might be something to deal with, but the wiki is so irrelevant and has so few people involved that it hasn't been a priority. --Raidarr (talk) 20:29, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Indeed, I feel a similar way that the stewards have many pressing concerns, and don't want to deal with this now given how complex and also very unimportant it is. Collei (talk) 20:35, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
 * You were given a time-limited ban that expires in ~4 days. Based on the evidence you linked and the reason stated on the ban page, your actions could reasonably be construed by local leadership as a harassment campaign against a particular member of leadership.
 * While reasons should rightly be given for reverting edits, local leadership has a fairly free hand in how they run things. When your ban expires, I'd gently suggest that you find a middle path to working with them instead of letting disputes with a particular user follow you across wikis.
 * I am not a steward, hold no roles relevant to this problem, and did not previously interact with this post. I love to help folks where I can, but please don't tag me when it's not relevant to finding a solution. --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 23:17, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, I will point something out: Agent Isai said to "contact them again and warn them that stewards were aware" and if they don't respond (and in this case, they straight up blocked me) bring it up in this thread and they will send them a message. Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 20:31, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I am not a functionary, but this is my 2c. Let the block expire. Find middle ground. That is what has been said multiple times in this thread. Please consider the amount of threads that you have been posting lately. Continued postings with no need and topics that don't require Steward attention may have action taken by Meta administrators, including a possible block from editing the Stewards' noticeboard page. It has happened before to other users, so I highly recommend you change your attitude before Meta functionaries take that step.
 * There has been a continued pattern of behavior emerging here, which countless users have noted to you. Take some time, read the messages, and learn from the past. I highly recommend this discussion ends here. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 03:57, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree. Collei (talk) 04:03, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
 * , I've been reading your other threads here, and some of the things you posted on users' talk pages on AMYTW (note: I do not have the time to read a lot of it).
 * Okay, saving someone's comment in the Wayback Machine for no reason isn't exactly stalking, but it isn't something that people like either. It's very difficult to remove yourself from the Wayback Machine. I save things in the Wayback Machine a lot too, but not random profiles that have no public benefit in archiving. Instead, I save things that may get deleted but that people would find useful.
 * Additionally, your messages to the administrators are very, very obnoxious and repetitive. Please consider giving them a break and understand that they are human.
 * Thank you. Collei (talk) 05:51, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
 * How are my messages to the administrators "very, very obnoxious and repetitive"? Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 01:40, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Examples:
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 * Someone does not need to explain to you why they don't want to talk to you. They do not owe you an explanation. People have the right to choose who they interact with. If someone says to stop talking to them, that doesn't mean they're abusing their rights, it means they want to be treated as a human and set boundaries.
 * Yes, this is unreasonable on the admin's part, but you're being rude as well. The threads that were closed were actually closed because you repeatedly messaged someone who told you to not message them.
 * As for the unsourced claims: If they're libel, contact Stewards about it. If they're not libel, it doesn't break any global rules, and therefore, let the wiki run as it is, or start a local election in a month once you're unblocked to get admin rights and demote the current admins. Collei (talk) 02:51, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 * As for the unsourced claims: If they're libel, contact Stewards about it. If they're not libel, it doesn't break any global rules, and therefore, let the wiki run as it is, or start a local election in a month once you're unblocked to get admin rights and demote the current admins. Collei (talk) 02:51, 26 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Not to be rude here, and I apologize if it's taken this way, but you've been obnoxious and repetitive here on the noticeboard for the better part of the past two weeks. You have taken up mine and other volunteers' (both with and without rights, to clarify, I have only patroller rights) time and energy, having basically created threads here to complain about the administrators on different wikis you associate yourself with. Countless users have told you that they only see minor issues, if any at all. You have consistently messaged here with seemingly no goal, asking questions such as "Actually, you know what? Fine, I give up." and "Why not? I just want to know why you think that." As put forth by other users, the problem seems to lie with you, not others. My suggestion to you is to take a break from Meta and Miraheze overall, specifically this noticeboard, and come back in a few days/weeks time, ready to contribute positively. I believe you have a lot to offer Miraheze, but not in the current way you're displaying yourself.
 * TL;DR: Take a few weeks, rest, recharge, and come back to Miraheze with a new mindset.
 * Again, I'm not trying to be rude, and I apologize if it's taken that way. I only want the absolute best for Miraheze and its users. This isn't an order from me, just a recommendation from a fellow Mirahezian. If you'd like to reach out to me privately, see my userpage, you're always welcome to do so. All the best, BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 03:54, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'll follow Raidarr's advice and wait out the block. But this is still an issue, and I will still raise it again if it has to be handled this way. Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 23:44, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 * That response which completely ignored the problems pointed out by everyone here further convinces me that you are in the wrong. Collei (talk) 00:06, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
 * It seems that this is a point where WP:CIR and WP:IDHT should be invoked, specifically the latter. Countless users have told you it’s not really an issue, yet you persist. Take a few weeks and think about your actions. A few days clearly won’t cut it. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 03:22, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
 * and I read Collei's messages, and I disagree with them. An administrator should respond to someone. It is their job to help other users. It is also a bureaucrat's job to handle problems with administrators and other staff members with inferior positions. Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 06:21, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, I don't see how what I am doing is a "harassment campaign." I was just trying to communicate with the staff, who were ignoring me. I am sorry if I messaged them too many times but it was not my intention to harass them. Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 06:26, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I have nothing further to add. Please do not ping me again on this issue, there isn't anything else I can do to help.
 * --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 17:36, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Right. I'm aware you think that. Can you tell me why you think that they can't refuse to talk to you? There are also multiple administrators there, so maybe if one refuses to talk to you, you could go to another one? Also, your response has ignored the majority of what was said, such as about finding middle ground and realizing that the reception wiki you're on is not the same as every other one.
 * Read: proof by assertion. Collei (talk) 16:16, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
 * A couple of things:

Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 20:57, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
 * 1) It is an administrator's responsibility to manage a wiki. As a result, when a user talks to them about something that is relevant to the quality of a wiki or how people are behaving on said wiki, they should respond and deal with the situation. They should not ignore someone because they are lazy, or because they hold a grudge to someone.
 * 2) I didn't really see much else in this discussion about those things. For the record though, how have I not found "middle ground"?
 * 3) With what does this not being the same reception wiki as every other one have to do?
 * 1. You've been repeating your opinion on their motivations over and over again. You've been constantly asserting what your edits are related to without giving specific evidence. Again, saying the same thing over and over doesn't make it correct.
 * 2. Here's some messages that you've completely ignored:
 * Not to be rude here, and I apologize if it's taken this way, but you've been obnoxious and repetitive here on the noticeboard for the better part of the past two weeks. You have taken up mine and other volunteers' (both with and without rights, to clarify, I have only patroller rights) time and energy, having basically created threads here to complain about the administrators on different wikis you associate yourself with. Countless users have told you that they only see minor issues, if any at all. You have consistently messaged here with seemingly no goal, asking questions such as "Actually, you know what? Fine, I give up." and "Why not? I just want to know why you think that." As put forth by other users, the problem seems to lie with you, not others. My suggestion to you is to take a break from Meta and Miraheze overall, specifically this noticeboard, and come back in a few days/weeks time, ready to contribute positively. I believe you have a lot to offer Miraheze, but not in the current way you're displaying yourself.
 * TL;DR: Take a few weeks, rest, recharge, and come back to Miraheze with a new mindset.
 * Again, I'm not trying to be rude, and I apologize if it's taken that way. I only want the absolute best for Miraheze and its users. This isn't an order from me, just a recommendation from a fellow Mirahezian. If you'd like to reach out to me privately, see my userpage, you're always welcome to do so. All the best, BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 03:54, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Emphasis added for this one:
 * You were given a time-limited ban that expires in ~4 days. Based on the evidence you linked and the reason stated on the ban page, your actions could reasonably be construed by local leadership as a harassment campaign against a particular member of leadership.
 * While reasons should rightly be given for reverting edits, local leadership has a fairly free hand in how they run things. When your ban expires, I'd gently suggest that you find a middle path to working with them instead of letting disputes with a particular user follow you across wikis.
 * I am not a steward, hold no roles relevant to this problem, and did not previously interact with this post. I love to help folks where I can, but please don't tag me when it's not relevant to finding a solution.
 * And this:
 * I am not a functionary, but this is my 2c. Let the block expire. Find middle ground. That is what has been said multiple times in this thread. Please consider the amount of threads that you have been posting lately. Continued postings with no need and topics that don't require Steward attention may have action taken by Meta administrators, including a possible block from editing the Stewards' noticeboard page. It has happened before to other users, so I highly recommend you change your attitude before Meta functionaries take that step.There has been a continued pattern of behavior emerging here, which countless users have noted to you. Take some time, read the messages, and learn from the past. I highly recommend this discussion ends here. Thanks
 * 3. Many of your suggestions expect that the wiki be run the way you want. However, this wiki is not being run in the exact way that you like. Please respect that some wikis are run in different ways.
 * I also cannot tell what you want Stewards to do. As many people have explained to you before, the admins occasionally being a nuisance isn't grounds for the Stewards to demote them, so I'm unsure why you're posting this here. Collei (talk) 04:29, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't see how I'm saying the same thing over and over again. Also, I read both quotes, and there are two comments I have about the first one: (a I didn't mean to harass anyone and (b I am willing to try and negotiate with the staff if they will at least listen to me. And my deal with the second quote is that I had already commented on that, and my response was to wait and let the block expire. The only other thing I had to comment on was that "middle ground" is not the write word. If you mean "negotiating with the administrators," then I'm willing to do that, but "middle ground" translates to "a position between two opposite opinions in an argument, or between two descriptions" . I am already one of those two opposite opinions. Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 20:44, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
 * "I don't see how I'm saying the same thing over and over again."
 * The lack of citations in your opinions stated over and over again is how. You were told about this before with robloxreviews.miraheze.org.
 * I'm aware that you are willing to negotiate with the administrators, so let the block expire. I don't care what you meant to do, what you have done is still annoying them. They want to run the wiki in question in a particular way, and you don't understand the difference between giving an opinion on running the wiki and trying to tell them how they have to do things. Saying that people cannot take criticism, bothering them on other websites and wikis, etc. is just going to annoy them. Collei (talk) 23:10, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh okay. So can we end this discussion now? Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 20:51, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah so I actually proposed that a few days ago. So why don’t we now? It’d be nice to finally get a break, this is giving me a headache. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 03:34, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'm done with this discussion. Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 20:01, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hold on, there's an issue. I left a message on Pacsonic's talk page again, and they deleted it because it was "junk." Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 20:10, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I also cannot tell what you want Stewards to do. As many people have explained to you before, the admins occasionally being a nuisance isn't grounds for the Stewards to demote them, so I'm unsure why you're posting this here. Collei (talk) 04:29, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't see how I'm saying the same thing over and over again. Also, I read both quotes, and there are two comments I have about the first one: (a I didn't mean to harass anyone and (b I am willing to try and negotiate with the staff if they will at least listen to me. And my deal with the second quote is that I had already commented on that, and my response was to wait and let the block expire. The only other thing I had to comment on was that "middle ground" is not the write word. If you mean "negotiating with the administrators," then I'm willing to do that, but "middle ground" translates to "a position between two opposite opinions in an argument, or between two descriptions" . I am already one of those two opposite opinions. Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 20:44, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
 * "I don't see how I'm saying the same thing over and over again."
 * The lack of citations in your opinions stated over and over again is how. You were told about this before with robloxreviews.miraheze.org.
 * I'm aware that you are willing to negotiate with the administrators, so let the block expire. I don't care what you meant to do, what you have done is still annoying them. They want to run the wiki in question in a particular way, and you don't understand the difference between giving an opinion on running the wiki and trying to tell them how they have to do things. Saying that people cannot take criticism, bothering them on other websites and wikis, etc. is just going to annoy them. Collei (talk) 23:10, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh okay. So can we end this discussion now? Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 20:51, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah so I actually proposed that a few days ago. So why don’t we now? It’d be nice to finally get a break, this is giving me a headache. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 03:34, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'm done with this discussion. Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 20:01, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hold on, there's an issue. I left a message on Pacsonic's talk page again, and they deleted it because it was "junk." Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 20:10, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'm done with this discussion. Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 20:01, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hold on, there's an issue. I left a message on Pacsonic's talk page again, and they deleted it because it was "junk." Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 20:10, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Exemption request
I'm the bureaucrat of this wiki. It is a private wiki and read constantly. It does not need to be updated frequently. Please grant an exemption from the dormancy policy. Thank you. --Revival (talk) 06:35, 10 February 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅ Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 14:47, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Issue with the PRGW staff
On mh:perfectionrobloxgames:Perfection Roblox Games Wiki, I was having a discussion with two administrators regarding their decisions to rebrand certain things on the Roblox game wikis. After a while, they decided to try and end the conversation when I wasn't finished, and eventually blocked me, completely missed my point, and called me a hypocrite. After I attempted to start a discussion protesting the block on my talk page, they deleted the topic and revoked my talk page access. My argument against this is that they should be able to have a discussion with me regardless of the case, and should not just block me. Indeed, I was not giving up the conversation, but that is because I still had arguments against their arguments. It is clear to me that they just cannot handle someone disagreeing with them and then not immediately changing their mind after a few arguments. I would appreciate it if I could have some opinions here and possibly resolve this situation. Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 23:43, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Non steward comment, but first of all, could you explain exactly what you want the stewards to do? Asking for 'just opinions and resolve the situation' is vague. Resolve it how? Raichu&#39;s Endless Nights (talk) 08:07, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I would like them to give some kind of warning to the staff regarding this kind of disruptive behaviour. Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 08:27, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd like to note that after this thread was created, a user abused multiple accounts to harass the admins of the Roblox wikis. I'm not saying that the creator of this thread was behind these accounts, just letting everyone know. Tali64³ (talk) 13:53, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Do staff really need to intervene with a week long block? I read the discussion and they already have a plan that a wiki creator approved. If you want to make pages, you could make them on the new Qualitipedia domain. The thread went on for more than two weeks, a lot of people don't want to make arguments, counter arguments, and counter counter arguments for everything, especially when they already have a plan. Raichu&#39;s Endless Nights (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * A couple of things:

Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 20:00, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, it may be a one-week block, but I still would like to continue having a discussion, and therefore I'll just get blocked again.
 * 1) I don't want to make pages. My issue is I feel that the Roblox Reviews Wiki is not a good idea, and they should be able to listen to my arguments regarding that.
 * Are you really sure they're not willing to listen to you? They talked to you for over two weeks. They did listen. A lot longer than some other people do. If they were willing to listen, why are you blocked for one week and not forever, and why were you not blocked two weeks ago?
 * I reiterate. It's a week. Not weeks, not months, not forever. One. Week. Not even one week now. If I hadn't replied, there's a chance nobody would have responded and you would be commenting 'Hello?' when you were already unblocked.
 * Maybe you should take their advice, wait till your block runs out, and then talk again, if it's more than 'Yes, but-' 'Still, -' and numbered lists people have to reply to with numbered lists and it becomes its own reception wiki page. In my opinion, taking this to the stewards noticeboard and asking them to call a one week block unacceptable after they humoured you for longer than you're blocked is more than a little bit petty. Not everything is about arguments and counter arguments. Raichu&#39;s Endless Nights (talk) 21:16, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Think it'd be best if we halted the conversation here as things tend to get heated when it comes to block discussions. Stewards will take a look when they have time. : If they don't, I'd suggest joining IRC or Discord to see what help can be afforded there. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 05:01, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * For the record, yes they did listen, but they should still not block me when they get annoyed. The conversation is not over until it can be resolved. Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 20:14, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * There's nothing to resolve. Raichu&#39;s Endless Nights (talk) 20:21, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * No, actually?
 * I'm going to make it very clear why there's nothing to resolve.
 * For one thing, your block ends in three to four days. Unless staff change your block, this topic will be irrelevant whether anyone, steward or not, comments or takes action. If they change or re apply the block, that's different, but that will be a new or sub topic.
 * There's also nothing to resolve because there's no issue. You weren't blocked because the staff are deaf to your arguments, or they're annoyed. I'd say you were blocked either because they were burnt out and they wanted a break, and you to take a break, or because of the fact there's no issue. Their plans are ready to go, and I think they're already going ahead. You're not wiki staff, so they don't need permission from you, just one person, to go ahead and do it. They don't have to stop because you don't want to.
 * They don't have to sit there and listen to your millions of arguments. I hope you realise that just because they don't have billions of counter counter counter counter counter arguments to counter your counter counter counter counter arguments, or the patience to do this, doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to change a wiki. It's not your decision to make. It's theirs. They're staff, and you're not. You don't have a monopoly over reception wikis and how they function.
 * You admit the staff already talked to you. They disagreed with you. That doesn't mean you're right. That doesn't give you reason to bring this to the central noticeboard, labelling it as their fault, and asking the Miraheze staff, and I quote, 'if I could have some opinions here and possibly resolve this situation.' Not only was there no issue, you brought this here expecting them to agree with you instantly. I don't know if you were being deliberately vague or not, but asking for 'opinions' meant to you, agree with me. '"Possibly" take action' meant you wanted them to take action. Action you just assumed they'd work out. It's even worse you didn't even initially suggest anything specific. I had to ask you.
 * You really wanted global Miraheze staff to condemn/remove your tiny block so you could force them to come up against your yes buts, your stills, and your numbered lists, your arguments which are just your opinions said louder and more authoritive than last time, and never, ever give them a break until you were satisfied, and that would be the end of the argument with you victorious?
 * There could have been a lot of circumstances this topic would be different, like if you were staff. If more than one person expressed concern for this change and there was a local RfC. If they blocked you forever. If they blocked you with no discussion. If they blocked you forever with no discussion. None of these things have happened, and that's why this topic is one of the most petty things I've read on this noticeboard.
 * If the local wiki staff have an issue, it's with you, not the other way around.
 * Is there anything not clear about what I have to say? Raichu&#39;s Endless Nights (talk) 00:15, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * This conversation needs to end. The next step will be a referral by me to Meta administrators for possible further steps on this conversation. I warned this could become uncivil, yet my warnings were ignored. Please disconverse immediately. I have no formal authority to do anything if my request isn’t fulfilled, but I’m happy to reach out to those that do. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 05:00, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll accept whatever punishment I get for being uncivil. Raichu&#39;s Endless Nights (talk) 07:28, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Your response was not uncivil, it was a valid rebuttal to Money12123's overall posture and attitude. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 17:36, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Raichu's statements closely mirror my thoughts when seeing this thread on the noticeboard. I didn't see the need to comment but I'll go ahead and back him up now for good measure.
 * Money spends a lot of time visiting reception wikis on the periphery and having discussions and/or arguments with their management, usually to make things work how Money would like them to. This approach, while usually not uncivil and sometimes reacted to overly harshly, does justifiably induce frustration in local operators. In this case the local operators clearly had a plan and were getting it done. There wasn't much to further discuss. They humored Money's tangent for a reasonable time and when finally frustrated enough to block they did so for a short period of time. They are already working in the bounds that Stewards would advise if they, say, blocked him immediately or indefinitely. The wiki gave him a pedestal and ultimately they moved on. I don't think they handed it perfectly but given who runs the wiki I was surprised to see it handled rather well.
 * I think it's time for Money to take the hint here and move on. Miraheze is not a soapbox for him to argue with everyone about everything to be just so in the way he wants it to be. Not everyone wants or appreciates arguing and counter arguing and watching him do so with everyone else endlessly. Furthermore Money's aspirations for reception wikis are clearly on the wrong side of history as shown in previous and above conversations. The PRG wiki wants to move away from being a traditional reception wiki and I think that is a spectacular idea. There is little benefit arguing in favor of old-style reception wikis when so few people appreciate them. Money has come to represent a very small minority argument that has already lost and people will only humor it for so long.
 * Money is also a concerningly frequent presence on this noticeboard, bringing up his issues which result in lengthy discussions like this. At first yes, some of them had merit, but right now we are looking at a trend. He wants to argue with local administrations and they get frustrated. He is advocating, at this point very superficially, to resurrect or continue projects that are at best deeply flawed and unpopular. A lot of energy going into pretty minor stuff. This is a trend which we saw to a more extreme extent with Bluba.
 * So I'll repeat what Raichu was getting at: There is nothing that is worth the Stewards' time to do here. One step further: I suggest Money take a break from the reception wiki stuff on Miraheze because at this point it's wasting a lot of people's time to read and react to. It's a bygone era, focus on finding somewhere that such things are appreciated. --Raidarr (talk) 19:11, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Ordering a discoverse sure does sound like you have authority. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 17:36, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * and Alright, fine. In my defense, I wasn't trying to argue with them, I was just trying to have a reasonable conversation with them. But fine, I'll let them do what they want. I still think it's a stupid idea, but whatever. Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 21:14, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * 'Trying to have a reasonable conversation' isn't doing what you did, and re-stating your obvious opinion is contributing nothing to this specific thread, but I'm glad this has come to a conclusion. Raichu&#39;s Endless Nights (talk) 21:40, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * As Raidarr suggested, I'd focus on other wikis on Miraheze to put your time and attention to. There are plenty of small communities that need building, and a lot of large communities that would welcome a new contributor. The Gazetteer of wikis is a great place to start if you're looking for wikis. And of course, you can request a new wiki at Special:RequestWiki if you want to start a new community. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 22:01, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * "'Trying to have a reasonable conversation' isn't what you did" How so? Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 22:07, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I would type a response to you, but all I'd get would be a numbered list, your authouritavely stated opinion, yes buts, stills, and my own thread of discussions/arguments with you possibly stretching for weeks. I've explained more than enough to you. I don't want to continue the discussion. That doesn't mean you've won. There's nothing to win. It's over. Raichu&#39;s Endless Nights (talk) 22:23, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I was just asking why you don't think I was "trying to have a reasonable conversation." Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 20:42, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah. And I'm saying why there's no point in me writing any response. Raichu&#39;s Endless Nights (talk) 21:03, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Why not? I just want to know why you think that. Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 20:04, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * No. I'm not going to explain to you, because you'll drag me into a weeks, months even, long "civil conversation". Please stop asking or telling me to explain myself. Raichu&#39;s Endless Nights (talk) 20:26, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I know you're about to tell me that you're just having a civil conversation, but no matter how 'civil' our theoretical conversation is going to be on your end, or how much you 'just' wanted to know, I don't want to have a civil conversation with you, or indeed, any conversation. I want to stop. If you haven't learned anything from this topic, you'll probably consider this decision unacceptable and report me to stewards. And this thing will start again. I hope a steward closes this thread soon because there's nothing else to discuss. You're unblocked and I'm not continuing this sub conversation no matter how many times you phrase 'I just wanted to know'. I gave my statement, Raidarr said the rest. I'm not having a spiraling conversation with you and you can't goad me into having one, even if you say it's civil. Raichu&#39;s Endless Nights (talk) 21:26, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * So now I can't ask you any question whatsoever because it might cause a week-long discussion? And honestly, it's not a big deal if you have a long conversation with someone. If the conversation is going nowhere I get it, but still. Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 23:25, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I have no response. Raichu&#39;s Endless Nights (talk) 23:29, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually, you know what? Fine. I give up. Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 23:28, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * No wonder people block you. You are infuriating to talk to. Raichu&#39;s Endless Nights (talk) 23:30, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I literally said I give up. Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 20:15, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Good. Raichu&#39;s Endless Nights (talk) 21:02, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

What happened to my wiki?
The url was unanyting.miraheze.org but recently the wiki is GONE and presents me with a wiki not found error! What happened? Did you make a mistake, I would like to see it back please. TheCoolStranger45 (talk) 19:10, 26 February 2023 (UTC)


 * , go to Requests for reopening wikis. Collei (talk) 20:16, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 * That wiki was deleted for Content Policy violations (particularly toxic community violations; log action) Tali64³ (talk) 19:41, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Account Deletion Request
I would like my account to be deleted from miraheze. I am not active in Miraheze, and I also don't plan to even stay in Miraheze.

Jool the planet (talk) 22:48, 28 February 2023 (UTC)


 * use https://tsportal.miraheze.org to request that your account be deleted. Collei (talk) 23:18, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe,it's report.miraheze.org? by Buehl106 ·Talk·e-mail 02:44, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
 * It is. Thanks for catching this. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 02:46, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
 * They're both not found. Jool the planet (talk) 04:13, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry.Reporting from here is avaliable. by Buehl106 ·Talk·e-mail 04:41, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I reported with my request to them to delete my account, but they still didn't delete my account. Jool the planet (talk) 17:32, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Be patient. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 17:42, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Anonymous users on HCW
Several anonymous users on Horrible Companies Wiki have been being incredibly disruptive. This started when an anonymous user edited a page that was supposed to be an archive. I attempted to revert their edit, but they continued to change the content. Although the IP address changes constantly, it's pretty obvious it's still the same user. I am sorry if I got into a bit of an edit war here, but in my defense, I did try to contact the anonymous user, but they ignored me and continued to change the content.

Another issue with an anonymous user occurred when various edits to the page mh:horriblecompanies:Mattel (2014-present), including the addition of really to the header "Why It's Useless Now" and the replacement of it with they. I did not believe that adding really was necessary and a company is an it, not a they. I again contacted them, but they also ignored me and continued to change it.

The reason why I see this as disruptive is because it is important that there is an agreement over these issues, and the anonymous users have refused to communicate with me. As there is no active staff on the wiki, I would appreciate it if stewards or global sysops could help me here. I would appreciate it if a warning or even a block from a steward could occur towards the IP addresses. Money12123 (contribs | CentralAuth) 01:50, 1 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I have disabled anonymous editing and have blocked their ranges. If they return, I will be issuing locks and further IP rangeblocks. Thank you for your report. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 02:23, 1 March 2023 (UTC)