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Neo-Nazi holocaust deniers trying to host a wiki!
Rightpedia are wanting to host their wiki with you. They formerly were with Orain, you can read about them here:


 * http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=5931
 * http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Rightpedia
 * http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Rightpedia

When Orain hosted Rightpedia they received multiple legal complaints. Not only is Rightpedia's content anti-Semitic and extremely racist (e.g. calling Jews parasites, blacks ugly, denying the Holocaust etc.), but also posts libel and slander against anti-racism activists. Rightpedia was also linked to perverts and other obscene people (e.g. members there posted about raping Jewish women).

I really hope you don't go through and host Rightpedia.Tinbox (talk) 08:02, 29 September 2015 (UTC)


 * This is either Michael D Suarez (alias JuniusThaddeus) or Oliver Smith (alias Atlantid). These two went around trolling on Orain, trying to make trouble for it, and vandalizing.  No one else even cares about Rightpedia.  No one else beside a handful of people are aware of it or even read it.  The JIDF doesn't even notice it or care.  The "multiple legal complaints" in reality means Suarez and Smith sending in complaints and no one else.  The "Rightpedia was also linked to perverts and other obscene people (e.g. members there posted about raping Jewish women)."  The "posts libel and slander against anti-racism activists" is untrue, they're just heavily criticized, of course you could call the stuff "Tinbox" linked to libel and slander to if you compare it that way.  Rightpedia is a very alternative view site: correcting mistruths (eg. about Ben Garrison who's libelled a lot), alternative views from the media (e.g. GMO is bad, mass immigration is genocide, Donald Trump is smart but secretly a Zionist) and alternative history (eg. The Allied of WWII were the villains, Jews persecute people and were not victims).  Although I would say you should be cautious of hosting it.  All that bad stuff about Jews you think isn't true until you see them come after you then you realize it's true.  But more importantly, I think the site people already are familiar with it and didn't want to make it.  I think the site should get its own domain and host personally and quit using wikis.  By the way reCAPTCHA was a real pain in the ass to sign up for the site.  First disable all security so the popup works and then have to go through lots of blurry photographs that were made poorly.  I'm not that much arguing anything except that "Tinbox" is a troll and is either Suarez or Smith.  No one else knows or cares about Rightpedia who opposes it--and what's worse there's so much good alternative media stuff that it should all be put into a wiki but not enough people interested and when they are, they have a very narrow focus.  People are unaware of so much, they don't even know basic things like Windows 10 is major spyware.  And the public view of history honors villains as heroes and condemns heroes as villains -- it's how life is -- good people don't win and bad people say what's history and what's true.  Wyatt (talk) 08:54, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm neither approving nor declining the request but the requirements for closing wiki from senior sysadmin is "Contents is illegal in 1)United States and/or 2) Netherlands". I don't know US code nor Netherlands law. &mdash; revi  10:52, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * "Wyatt" is "A Wyatt Man" a sysop from Right.Origin (Rightpedia) when it was online. Fortunately, posts were archived from Rightpedia, which show Wyatt to be a liar, e.g. legal complaints were received (these had nothing to do with "JuniusThaddeus" or "Atlantid") which resulted in "local steward action" by Orain staff. The libelous posts in question, were writing malicious false content and smears about anti-racist and human rights activists such as Shane Ruttle Martinez, who is this guy. Fiala1's main method of attack is to just slander any anti-racist activists, including lawyers like Martinez, as child molesters, homosexuals (even when they are hetero) or oddly as Jews (when in the case of Martinez his background is Hispanic) when there is absolutely no evidence for these accusations for the individual pages they created to harass and post libel. Tinbox (talk) 12:21, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The important point is, as I said, Miraheze staffs need a clear evidence that they violate US Code and/or Netherlands law, and (again) I do not know US Code nor Netherlands law, so I cannot determine from archive.is link. Also, receiving legal complaints does not mean it is illegal, it is the area of judge to decide whether it is legal or not. If you have specific articles you find they violates US code/Netherlands law, I will bring this up to other staffs.
 * TL;DR: You need proof that they violate US Code (because our hosting service company is based on US) and/or netherlands law (because our physical server is located in Netherlands). &mdash; revi  12:32, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Re: Tinbox. This just proves that you were behind that "complaint" too. You impersonate people.  Every complaint everywhere on the internet was by Michael Suarez and Oliver Smith, whichever one you are.  No one even is aware Rightpedia exists at all except the people those two told -- it's actually sad, no one is aware of the site.  Wyatt (talk) 12:34, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Re: Revi, I'm trying to convince Fiala to go with paid hosting. Wyatt (talk) 12:34, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * "You impersonate people. Every complaint everywhere on the internet was by Michael Suarez and Oliver Smith" -- take your meds, please. You're the same loon that denies the Holocaust and claims Wikipedia, even Metapedia is run by Mossad. It wasn't only two individuals complaining about the libel, abuse and sickening anti-Semitism at Rightpedia.Tinbox (talk) 14:13, 29 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not "Tinbox". Tinbox is likely Krom[scape]. Wyatt's claims of "no one even is aware Rightpedia exists at all except the people those two told -- it's actually sad, no one is aware of the site" is ludicrous. Simple searches reveal the truth:
 * https://www.google.com/search?q=%22right.orain.org%22
 * https://www.google.com/search?q=%22right.orain.org%22+site%3Awordpress.com
 * https://www.google.com/search?q=%22right.orain.org%22+site%3Ablogspot.com
 * https://www.google.com/search?q=%22right.orain.org%22+site%3Astormfront.org
 * https://www.google.com/search?q=%22right.orain.org%22+site%3Areddit.com
 * https://www.google.com/search?q=%22right.orain.org%22+site%3Atwitter.com
 * https://www.google.com/search?q=%22right.orain.org%22+site%3A8ch.net
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=https%3A%2F%2Fright.orain.org&title=Special%3ALinkSearch
 * --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 18:30, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Comment. I don't think any wiki farm should host Rightpedia. It is a hate site, pure and simple. I suggest something similar to Shoutwiki's content policy:
 * http://www.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Content_Policy --Timeshifter (talk) 16:37, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Rightpedia wasn't unpopular because it wasn't advertised. Follow those links just above, and you will see Rightpedia discussed on Apricity, Anthroscape, and other racial-orientated forums. The reason it was unpopular was because Hu1 and Mikemikev are both known as notorious trolls. Someone even posted on Apricity they would have joined Rightpedia, if Mikemikev wasn't an admin there.Tinbox (talk) 14:34, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Rightpedia advertisement at Beer Barrel failure:

http://thebeerbarrel.net/threads/new-encyclopedia.30798/ The only response Mikemikev got to advertising: "Seriously, you fucking halfwitted loser; can't you find ANYTHING better to do than spending every waking hour trolling forums and wikis?" and "You are a lonely, creepy loser who infests dozens -if not hundreds- of chat forums and internet encyclopedias" lol.Tinbox (talk) 14:45, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

We are providing obviously deep truth, if it wakes such deep hatred and smear campaign in the haters of truth and light. The same was the situation at Jesus Christ's time. Fiala (talk) 07:05, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Deep truth? You mean like how Wyatt Man added to Rightpedia that 'black Africans' are closer genetically to chimpanzees, than 'whites'? and are not human? Wyatt Man's racist trolling was even considered too extreme for the Nazis over at Stormfront, with a Wyatt man even called a crackpot there..Tinbox (talk) 15:20, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

This completely groundless hatred and smear campaign by Michael D Suarez (alias JuniusThaddeus) and Oliver Smith (alias Atlantid). Fiala (talk) 20:55, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

@Michael D Suarez, @Oliver Smith: ''For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies.'' John 8:44 Fiala (talk) 09:14, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I know the truth. You're as anti-Semitic as they come:


 * https://archive.is/ZwzD9
 * https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1076604-3/#post12550089
 * https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1076604-8/#post12606133


 * You simply can't handle the idea of people in tune with the facts viewing you negatively.


 * Plus, it is you who hates the truth:


 * You deny the Holocaust.
 * You deny the ethnic roots of the Jewish people.


 * --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 23:27, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

@Michaeldsuarez: Exactly your words are the words of devil, who hates the truth and light. Fiala (talk) 09:13, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Fiala1, miraheze apparently aren't going to host your anti-Semitic pro-hitler wiki that slanders innocent people, so you should just leave here now.Tinbox (talk) 13:19, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

@OliverSmith (Tinbox):Exactly your words are the words of devil, who hates the truth and light. Who do you believe you are, to speak in name of miraheze.org? Fiala (talk) 14:07, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Decision
After looking over the above, I am taking a decision myself to decline hosting of rightwiki. Formally at Orain, I did not mind or bother about the wiki simply because it was not my responsibility. Here, it is. I am basing the decision on two reasons: Of course, this decision is not a whole one of Miraheze (no one was actually consulted on this), this is my decision as the person who is responsible for the project. It can be overridden via the usual methods (community consensus) assuming no one does the research for me and finds exact laws and links them reliability which moots this being overridden at all.
 * 1) The idea of the wiki seems to be simply supporting Neo-Nazism and the ideals of the Nazi party. While I support the idea of free speech, limits have to be placed and I place the limits here. While no laws directly prohibit it, there is a universal (or fairly common) idea that this topic should be moot.
 * 2) The discussion is never-ending and is going no-where besides a place of auto-correcting words to jumble a sentence up to present to people to support the 'get out of this debate'. So as above, this needs to come to an end.

Thanks, John (talk) 18:17, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Backup from Orain
Hi, I was running two wikis on Orain and Addshore told me to come over here so that can recover it. Could you please recover these two sites:

bus.orain.org to bus.miraheze.org

and

IQT.orain.org to IQT.miraheze.org

thanks alot :D Ww9980 (talk) 18:26, 30 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I have created the wiki IQT.miraheze.org, for backups Reception123  (talk) ( contribs  ) 04:40, 1 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, I've left a message on his talk page but it seems he is not seeing it - nothing happened for 3 days so far. Ww9980 (talk) 20:37, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * @Ww9800, the import has been done for a while now. Enjoy! Southparkfan (talk) 09:56, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 * @Southparkfan, Thank you, it's the index page was not the same so i was mistaking it as not recovered. Thank you very much! Ww9980 (talk) 15:34, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Trolls
While there are many legitimate reasons to oppose Rightwiki and I personally don't want it hosted on Miraheze (for many reasons including the site 99% of the time being down with "504 gateway error"), the two users Michaeldsuarez and Tinbox (Oliver Smith) are just trolls. They don't care about stirring up anything but drama. I'm just warning you fellows. Wyatt (talk) 07:45, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * What are you going to do if the warning is not addressed? Without talking about technical issues, Michaeldsuaraez is helping with the templates here and fixing double redirects on ATT, none of them seems trolly. I am not stepping in the rightwiki discussion because I do not have authority. &mdash; revi  10:28, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Michaeldsuaraez has now totally left Miraheze now that the site didn't host Rightpedia. He's now trolling at MWzip http://mwzip.com/forum/index.php?topic=105.0   I told you people that they were trolls.  Oh well they probably won't be back.  I'm just saying I told you so.  Wyatt (talk) 02:05, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm, that doesn't look like trolling to me. --Aryamanarora (talk) 15:58, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Can I download a backup of my site?
I thought about using wgret to get a backup of my site but that would get all kinds of pages I don't want also. Is there a way to download a copy of just my site without going to links like the Steward board? Bulrush (talk) 09:44, 2 October 2015 (UTC)


 * There is two options.
 * Special:Export, it may timeout if your backup is too large
 * Request full backup to the Sysadmin. &mdash; revi  10:24, 2 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks @revi. I did Special:Export, typed a name of 'Main_Page' in the box, clicked the Add button, and nothing happened. Then I clicked the Export button and nothing happened. Bulrush (talk) 12:05, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Bulrush, exporting works for me. Please try again? Southparkfan (talk) 09:56, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Java is disabled for me by default in Firefox. Do I need to enable Java? Javascript should work all the time. I have flash blocked too by default unless I unblock it for a site. Ok I got it working. Bulrush (talk) 21:08, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Another backup from Orain
I was running a wiki on Orain and I read so that can recover it. Could you please recover this site:

szk.orain.org to szk.miraheze.org

Thanks a lot! --Lalo5555 (talk) 15:59, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I am waiting for sysadmin to receive the dump. Please note that any contents generated after 2015-06-15 is not included, unless you have your backup or Google Web Cache/Archival sites has backup of your site.
 * General note for import requests: If you created wiki after June 15, there is no backup unfortunately. &mdash; revi  05:29, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Backup found. Import will be done asap. Southparkfan (talk) 09:56, 3 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much! --Lalo5555 (talk) 14:08, 3 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Could you send me the backup file (for example with free.mailbigfile.com) to ensure safety? My e-mail: lalo5555@gmail.com --Lalo5555 (talk) 15:33, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

DDoS
There's a banner on my wiki that's says DDoS ongoing... What exactly is happening? Aryamanarora (talk) 21:20, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Banner was actually a test to see if 'global sitenotices' were working, but Miraheze got DDoS'd tonight. I was searching for a way to notify the users via sitenotices. Southparkfan (talk) 09:56, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 * On this note, I'll use this section to make a public comment on this. DDoS' are best left private business beyond 'one is happening' so I won't be discussing it in more detail than saying:
 * It has had a considerable impact on the image of Miraheze (especially considering the short time we've been around). It seems the attack was directed wholly again Miraheze and no particular project/ideal at the minute.
 * We've taken measures to work on prevention mostly involving upstream networking experts who are working with our hosts at their routers. As this is out of control, we're sadly limited on what we can do here but they've been very co-operative with working with me.
 * We're aware the load issue with servers was the main bring down off-attacks. The person responsible for this area has said they're going to work on making our MediaWiki set up more cross-redundant. It is currently our own part of the infrastructure which can not be redundant and relies on one thing only.
 * If anything I feel able to say publicly comes along, I will say it through IRC (#miraheze on freenode). If you have any questions, please ask here or on IRC. I will be more willing to discuss sensitive information on IRC than on-wiki, especially via private message if for technical reasons. John (talk) 14:11, 5 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Who is doing this? Orain had the same problems.  This site has inherited Orain's downtime problems.  Wyatt (talk) 01:59, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Backup from Orain
Hi! I had a wiki on Orain and heard that @Southparkfan can recover the back-up of it. It was created before June 15 so I think there is a back-up.

Could you please recover portal.orain.org to portal.miraheze.org?

Thanks a lot! RectorRocks (talk) 16:19, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

How to backup all pages of wiki including sub pages?
I figured out how to export my wiki to XML but it only exports the Main Page. How do I export all pages of my wiki to an XML file? I don't want external links, only internal links on rawdata.miraheze.com. Thank you. Bulrush (talk) 12:43, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I will upload your wiki's full backup to archive.org so you can download. Allow me an hour to process other stuff. &mdash; revi  12:46, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ It's uploaded here but you will need to wait (max an hour) until archive.org finishes their own anti-virus search. &mdash; revi</tt>  13:17, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! So the typical export only exports one page then? We could use a plugin that exports the user's whole wiki. Mine won't be very large, maybe 50-100k uncompressed. I don't want to bother you when I need a backup. Bulrush (talk) 13:30, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Special:Export has option to put pages to export. One article for one line. However if your exporting page is big, it may fail for timeout. &mdash; revi</tt>  13:46, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I will try to use http://www.archive.org to save these pages once in a while because I think I can download the whole site I made. Bulrush (talk) 16:03, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 * @Revi Any help that you require on WikiTeam's end on getting dumps generated for all wikis? --Hydriz (talk) 10:08, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

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 * Steps for all users to back up and download their own wikis as an XML file.

Bulrush (talk) 11:08, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) Put a category of 'All' on every wiki page by entering this code:  . I enter the category code on the bottom of each page as soon as I create it.
 * 2) Go to Special:Export page.
 * 3) In the box "Add pages from category" enter "All", no quotes.
 * 4) Click the Add button. All pages with that category will be added to the list below the Add button.
 * 5) Click Export button, and you get an XML file to download locally.  This does not include any images though.
 * That way will require vigilance to ensure that all pages are included in the All category. I recommend using the WikiTeam Python script linked by Revi above.  D4rkst4r (talk) 17:24, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Just wanted to say Thank You
I wanted to say Thank You to all the admins and everyone who makes this site possible. I know it's a lot of work. I really do appreciated and wanted to make sure you knew that. Bulrush (talk) 11:01, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree! --Aryamanarora (talk) 16:02, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, Miraheze!

Dormancy policy
Hi, I am bringing the dormancy policy back up again as we have more and more wikis, but some of them are not active/never had edits since they were created. I think that we should implement the dormancy policy soon so that we can close/delete inactive wikis. I think that and  already have to much work so in order to make it easier you could grant wiki creators a right to globally edit interface pages (for Mediawiki:Sitenotice) and Special:LockDB. --<font color="#FA80231">Reception123 <font color="#4418E1"> (talk) (<font color="#AF91521"> contribs  ) 12:28, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I still disagree with current status. The period should be longer than current status. &mdash; revi</tt>  12:32, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * We have 139 wikis already, implementing will take time anyways and we don't want to have too many inactive wikis. --<font color="#FA80231">Reception123 <font color="#4418E1"> (talk) (<font color="#AF91521"> contribs  ) 12:36, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't oppose the policy itself; however, even if this was brought in 2018, I believe 60 days are too short. It should be more permissive. &mdash; revi</tt>  12:40, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I do agree to that, but for wikis that have no activity I wouldn't. For inactive wikis maybe the founder is gone so yes, I will change it. But for people that have no edits on their wiki it's likely there not going to remind themselves after 2 months. <font color="#FA80231">Reception123 <font color="#4418E1"> (talk) (<font color="#AF91521"> contribs  ) 13:00, 20 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Maybe my szk.miraheze.org is a victim of your dormancy policy. But it is a big one, created and developed on Orain. Thank you very much your help to reorganizing here from backup, but I think this policy isn't careful enough. Please detect the number of pages and files in a wiki before closing it. So please reopen my wiki again. Thanks. --Lalo5555 (talk) 20:32, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The dormancy policy has not yet been implemented, even if it was your wiki doesn't fit in the criteria, and is therefore not closed. <font color="#FA80231">Reception123 <font color="#4418E1"> (talk) (<font color="#AF91521"> contribs  ) 04:56, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree with John (per IRC), that until we find a "easier" way to close it to which all wiki creators have access to we cannot implement this policy. <font color="#FA80231">Reception123 <font color="#4418E1"> (talk) (<font color="#AF91521"> contribs  ) 19:37, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * So dormancy will be based on when the owner or another user last made edits to the wiki? I wonder if 60 days is enough. I can get real busy at work sometimes and just don't have time to edit the wiki. Will you delete a person's wiki just because they are busy? Maybe looking at the average edits per month the wiki has been alive, would be a better metric. A wiki that has 1 edit early in a 6 month period is clearly dead. But a wiki that has had 100 edits in early 2 months of the past 6 months shows it's more active. Bulrush (talk) 16:22, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Wikis should only be deleted if they have little or no content on them. Even if they're dormant someone might want to take over them instead of starting back at square one.  D4rkst4r (talk) 17:27, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Problem with szkwiki

 * I've got the next message:

404 Wiki Not Found The wiki you wanted to visit does not exist. Please be sure you typed the URL correctly. If you think there's a technical problem, please contact the system administrators and provide the following details: Host: szk.miraheze.org 	Visitor IP: ::ffff:xx.xxx.xxx.xxx Request URL: /wiki/ 	Timestamp: 2015-10-23 08:41:06


 * --Lalo5555 (talk) 08:44, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * reset indent That is not closed, if I wiki would be closed there would be a warning and message. This is a technical issue.   --<font color="#FA80231">Reception123 <font color="#4418E1"> (talk) (<font color="#AF91521"> contribs  ) 09:01, 23 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks! --Lalo5555 (talk) 13:51, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Request for backup
My szk.miraheze.org is now a healthy state. I would like ask a backup for saving pages and files.

Thanks, --Lalo5555 (talk) 15:27, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * See https://static.miraheze.org/dumps/. Southparkfan (talk) 17:54, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I have instructions for downloading all the text/xml files, but not the images, above. It involves putting a category on every page. Bulrush (talk) 16:25, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Problem with login (since 4.11.2015)
Everything worked fine yesterday, but now, no matter what browser I try to use (or on what computer), I get the error: "Meta uses cookies to log in users. You have cookies disabled. Please enable them and try again." Cookies are definitely enabled, problem shows up on both firefox and chrome. Seems to be related to: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Rg3w5u0e70fs8l4e - the error shows up both on meta.miraheze.org and on my own newly enabled wiki. 46.140.85.67 10:05, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

I am receiving this error as well; which is a problem as I have much editing to do. I have also tried using a mobile device with the same results.
 * Please try to log in 3 times, so click "Log in" more times. If the error still apears please tell us. --<font color="#FA80231">Reception123 <font color="#4418E1"> (talk) (<font color="#AF91521"> contribs  ) 18:43, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi, sorry about this. It was a technical issue on the services server which we are looking into in order to prevent it occurring again. Thanks John (talk) 16:24, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Using a bot
Hi, I'm trying to implement a bot on my Bus.miraheze.com wiki, it's based on pywikibot. When saving a page, I keep getting error

req['captchaid'] = captcha['id'] KeyError: 'id'

It seems that if my bot is submitting a few words, it is fine, but as long as it's a long string, it will throw this error. I've googled around, but cant find a solution. Can you help me with making sure it is not captcha problem? Thx. Ww9980 (talk) 22:17, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, problem has been solved. Please ignore me. Ww9980 (talk) 22:22, 16 November 2015 (UTC)