Meta:Requests for permissions

Bukkit (Wiki creator)

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 * per Special:Diff/187611. ~ Mazzaz (talk) 15:08, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

User: Bukkit ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Group: Wiki creator

Reason: Hello, I’d like to be a wiki creator. The reason why I wish to be a Wiki Creator, is because I want to help clear the backlog of wiki requests (there has been a LARGE spike of wiki requests). Also, I have knowledge of the COC, DP, CP. I have also read the Wiki creators' guide.

Additional comments: for reading my request

Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * Comments/Questions


 * 1)  I had no initial stake here, but reviewing the farmer log I believe another active figure to provide a second opinion even in slow time would do some good. Thus, if this is a promise to be active, I think it could be beneficial. I'm not familiar with, nor too swayed by the strange event described in opposition. But, amended rating because my investment is very light. --Raidarr (talk) 13:44, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  I think Bukkit would make a great fit for wiki creator. He is courteous, generally online, and is a trusted user and helper on GitHub.  Agent Isai  Talk to me! 15:22, 15 July 2021 (UTC)  (for now): Doug brought up an incident I was not aware of. I do agree with Mazzaz that the behavior is a bit childish and strange. I do not retract my previous comments, Bukkit has proven to be a nice and helpful person, and would likely make a great fit for wiki creator but for now, I will abstain until Bukkit provides a response for those actions.  Agent Isai  Talk to me! 13:43, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 3) for you kind comment.  —［ <span style="font-weight:800; padding:0.25em 0.5em;border-radius:.35em;background-color:#d2527f;background:background-image: linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228); background-image: -o-linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228); background-image: -moz-linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228); background-image: -webkit-linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228); background-image: -ms-linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228); background-image: -khtml-linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228););color:rgba(255,255,255,1);text-shadow:0 1px 1px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.2)">Bukkit  ］［  Talk  |  Contributions  |  Barnstars  21:10, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 4)  DuchessTheSponge (talk) 03:08, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 5)  While I don't have any concerns with Bukkit in terms of the Code of Conduct and believe that the user fully, or most fully, understands Dormancy Policy and has at least a somewhat reasonable understanding of Content Policy, there was a recent instance in which the user reported Bukkity as a Username Policy violation for impersonation. When asked privately, they confirmed that the account was their own account and admitted it was poor judgment on their part. I strongly suggested they wait at least three (3) months before requesting user permissions on Meta Wiki, to regain the community's trust. I'm curious why they've not quite waited a full month? For that reason, I must, regrettably, oppose this, but would likely support, perhaps even strongly, in October. Dmehus (talk) 17:25, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 6)  - I was initially going to support, but the concern ( instance) raised by Doug seems to be a childish behavior to me. I would suggest to wait few months and apply again, but sorry this time. ~ Mazzaz (talk)  07:08, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 7)  per the incident Doug raised.  ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  13:52, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 8)  same as Mazzaz.--Angelo Pisani (talk) 17:50, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 9)  Per above HeartsDo (Talk / Global / Wiki Creator) 11:08, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 10)   —［ <span style="font-weight:800; padding:0.25em 0.5em;border-radius:.35em;background-color:#d2527f;background:background-image: linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228); background-image: -o-linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228); background-image: -moz-linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228); background-image: -webkit-linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228); background-image: -ms-linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228); background-image: -khtml-linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228););color:rgba(255,255,255,1);text-shadow:0 1px 1px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.2)">Bukkit  ］［  Talk  |  Contributions  |  Barnstars  14:46, 21 July 2021 (UTC)


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Angelo Pisani Bot

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 * . No consensus for granting the bot flag at this time. There is some confusion about when the bot would be operational and whether a test run is possible. If you don't have access to the interface until a later time I'd suggest you request only after you do. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 10:56, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

User: Angelo Pisani Bot ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Group: Bot

Reason: I would like to create this bot in AWB, such as substing templates, changing categories, fixing unicode, wikicode fixing. The bot is active on Nonciclopedia and some others non-Miraheze wikis with the name Ajeje Bot or AjejeBot, such as Wikikids, every vikidia's version and dicoado.

Additional comments:

Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * Comments/Questions


 * 1)  Seems like a good bot, and looks like it's going to be pretty useful.  —［ <span style="font-weight:800; padding:0.25em 0.5em;border-radius:.35em;background-color:#d2527f;background:background-image: linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228); background-image: -o-linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228); background-image: -moz-linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228); background-image: -webkit-linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228); background-image: -ms-linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228); background-image: -khtml-linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228););color:rgba(255,255,255,1);text-shadow:0 1px 1px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.2)">Bukkit  ］［  Talk  |  Contributions  |  Barnstars  00:42, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  Would you be able to do a test run first?  14:26, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * R4356th For the moment no, 'cause i'm on Mac  and I can't install AWB. But I did one edit on Publictestwiki. Angelo Pisani (talk) 17:57, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * That's a weird response; how will you run the bot if it is flagged? 08:46, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * R4356th When I'll change PC (in august or september). Angelo Pisani (talk) 11:13, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 1)  While I trust that Angelo Pisani is able to perform various minor error corrections, notably fixing lint errors, the details in this request are not there for me to support (i.e., "changing categories," "fixing unicode," and "wikicode fixing." As written, the only item sufficiently detailed is the substitution of templates, but even there, I'd want to see a list of templates that would be substituted first. Moreover, I feel like this bot is trying to do too much, and would rather see its focus narrowed considerably. Finally, will this bot be manually run or run on a cron schedule? If the latter, what is the proposed frequency and estimated number of edits? Additionally, in either case, what assurance(s) can you provide that you will not use the   flag's user rights to perform manual updates? Dmehus (talk) 17:19, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I use the bot on a lot of wikis and it never get blocked, for example here or here. For substing the templates: I'll do that under request. Same for changing the categories: If a category it's included on a lot of pages (>100 for example) I'll replace the old category with the new. The wikicode fixes are something like this edit (i.e. wikilinks equal to their description). The frequency is 6 edits/minute, with delay 10.
 * "what assurance(s) can you provide that you will not use the bot flag's user rights to perform manual updates?" The edit summary is something "automatic" like "→‎Disponibilità: typos fixed: cosi' → così, e' → è (2)" and it's just impossible for an human to do every 10 seconds an edit on a random page. Angelo Pisani (talk) 17:53, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Angelo Pisani, that's a bit better; however, I'm still don't know what you mean by category changes. I don't see a problem with a category containing a large number of pages, for example. As to the "wikicode fixes," again, that's too vague, and the example you've highlighted I'm not seeing a need to change that here. What time of day will it be run, or will it be run continuously throughout the day? I definitely wouldn't want to see the latter. Dmehus (talk) 17:58, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Nono it'll be active 9-12 15-20 (greenwitch time). For the rest I don't know how to explain it, I speak English yes, but not being a native speaker I wouldn't know how to explain it. However I link you to the page for corrections wikitext (some fixes wouldn't work there) and for the categories  the categories will be replaced after a category rename (to have no categories-redirect) Angelo Pisani (talk) 18:22, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the links, but the links provided merely link to AutoWikiBrowser's functions. We need to know exactly and explicitly what functions your proposed bot plans to undertake. Perhaps it would be easier if you could link to a pastebin or a repository containing your bot's source code? Additionally, when you say it'll be active, is this automatic on a cron, or do you manually run it a certain time? Without specificity here, I can't support this; however, you do do a lot of good manual minor editing work. Perhaps the  flag could be added in durations of up to one week at a time? You can request this from any Meta   on Discord, IRC, or at Administrators' noticeboard, so long as you state clear reasons for requesting each time. Dmehus (talk) 19:33, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't need and doesn't have code the bot. The bot finds error that takes a LOT of time to find manually (i.e. wikilinks equal to their description: if in a page there's $1, the bot will replace w/ith $1 or another example is russian it will be replaced with russian ), so the flood flag in this case is useless. The AWB's functions are everything that the bot will do.-- Angelo Pisani (talk) 19:46, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Angelo Pisani Thanks, that's helpful. I'm okay with the specific wikilink replacements, provided there were no other different examples than those two. However, when you say AWB's functions are everything the bot will do, that makes me wonder if you're just wanting to use AWB on this wiki (note you don't need approval for that), or if you've coded an actual bot. Would you mind linking to your bot's source code? Dmehus (talk) 20:00, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I'll use AWB one bot mode, which allows me the autoedit. But I'm developping too a script in python (with PWB), 'cause AWB too have some limits. Angelo Pisani (talk) 20:48, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * For the moment I think that I'll use the bot with AWB, and maybe later with PWB Angelo Pisani (talk) 20:50, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, yeah, I don't believe you need the  flag to use AutoWikiBrowser, not for a request that is so broad. Perhaps if this were a narrower focus, such as just template substitution of templates marked as such, that would be fine. I have no issues with you using AWB, though. Dmehus (talk) 18:07, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
 * OK then that's alright. I'll use my account with a delay 30, if needed. Angelo Pisani (talk) 18:40, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 1)  I am confused about this request. I see above that you said you will only be able to run the bot in August or September when you will change your personal computer. If this is still the case should you not withdraw this request until you are ready to make use of the bot? --DeeM28 (talk) 08:49, 26 July 2021 (UTC)


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SPEEDYBEAVER (Wiki creator)

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 * No consensus for this permission at this time. Dmehus (talk) 18:08, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

User: SPEEDYBEAVER ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log ) Group: Wiki creator Reason: I have read Content Policy and Code of Conduct and I can guarantee that I will not be creating malicious wikis nor approving their requests.

Additional comments:

Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * Comments/Questions


 * 1)  I appreciate your enthusiasm but note that you only have 65 local edits. If you contribute more, I think you can certainly become a wiki creator but for now, I would say to wait.  Agent Isai  Talk to me! 21:09, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  Will you decline/accept the wiki with the following reason:


 * She broke with me. I will write about our happy time in this wiki. ~ Mazzaz (talk) 07:29, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 1)  I can't support your request as a patroller, your behavior on Stewards' noticeboard is not what I expect for a Wiki Creator (for my part). HeartsDo (Talk / Global / Wiki Creator) 11:20, 21 July 2021 (UTC)


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Agent Isai (Wiki creator)

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 * Clear consensus for the bit. In addition to Content Policy and Wiki creators' guide, please see also the helpful tips I've shared at Arcversin's, DarkMatterMan4500's, and CircleyDoesExtracter's user talk pages. Dmehus (talk) 17:56, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

User: Agent Isai ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log ) Group: Wiki creator Reason: I see so many wiki requests per day and would like to help in tackling the sometimes large queue. I check Meta frequently so I think if I were to be Wiki Creator, I'd be able to tackle the requests swiftly. I have noticed that queues sometimes form and 5-10 requests stack up so I'd like to help out in that aspect. I also believe that my knowledge of Spanish would be very useful as I've seen many wiki requests made in Spanish which are put on hold until a wiki creator has the time to translate them; this would definitely help expedite the creation of those wikis, especially since Spanish is the second most requested language on this farm. I have read the Content Policy many times over and am confident I have a good understanding of it and I have also read the Wiki creators' guide and Code of Conduct along with various other policies such as the Terms of Use and Privacy Policy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agent Isai (talk • contribs) 18:41, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Additional comments:

Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * Questions
 * 1)  How would you action the following wiki requests? (Approve, decline, ask for more information?) And what's your reasoning?
 * (a) A wiki that says it will discuss the ideology of the Nazi party in Germany
 * (b) A wiki whose description is "Exposing the nefarious deeds of large multinational companies and the controversies that they're involved in"
 * (c) A wiki that proposes to criticise bloggers who they think are doing "terrible things"
 * (d) A private wiki with the description "personal notes for university".
 * Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 10:49, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * (a) Approve: Wiki would contain historical information, nothing to suggest propagation of dangerous ideas shared by the party
 * (b) Tricky but would request clarification as the scope is vague and could cover multiple things. If in doubt, would ask more knowledgeable wiki creators/Stewards.
 * (c) Decline pursuant to Content Policy's provision: "Miraheze does not host wikis with the sole purpose to spread unsubstantiated insult, hate or rumours against a person or group of people."
 * (d) Approve: While description is short, nothing suggests it would violate Content Policy and be used for anything other than personal notetaking; would add note that the wiki is approved only as a private wiki due to the short description.
 * Agent Isai Talk to me! 14:50, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for answering my questions, I would agree with your answers Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 19:09, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 1)  How would you handle a wiki request for "a mirror of Encyclopedia Dramatica"? What parts of the Content Policy would/wouldn't apply in this case? — Arcversin (talk) 03:13, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Decline per following Content Policy provision: "Miraheze does not host wikis with the sole purpose to spread unsubstantiated insult, hate or rumours against a person or group of people." — While it is a mirror, ED is a wiki which features all sorts of trolling behavior along with bashing of people, hate-spewing content, doxxing, etc., some of which has been ruled in the UK as libelous. Being a mirror does not exempt it from this policy, it would still need to follow all Content Policy provisions. Also would decline per this Content Policy provision: "A wiki must not create problems which make it difficult for other wikis." — Should this ED mirror form a community of its own which reflects the main community, it could cause attacks to Miraheze (thus causing downtime and "create problems which make it difficult for other wikis"), possible legal liability, and threats of violence toward wiki users/volunteers/staff. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 03:31, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Comments
 * 1)  I think Agent is someone trustworthy and looks experienced in wiki. --Avengium (talk) 00:32, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 2) Thus user is very trustworthy, extremely active, helpful, and overall a great choice  —［ <span style="font-weight:800; padding:0.25em 0.5em;border-radius:.35em;background-color:#d2527f;background:background-image: linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228); background-image: -o-linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228); background-image: -moz-linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228); background-image: -webkit-linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228); background-image: -ms-linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228); background-image: -khtml-linear-gradient(45deg,#CF121F,#F83A0C,#F83A0C,#FF6347,#FFD228););color:rgba(255,255,255,1);text-shadow:0 1px 1px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.2)">Bukkit  ］［  Talk  |  Contributions  |  Barnstars  20:19, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 3) – Agent has been very helpful and a long-term user. If they are willing to serve as a wiki creator, I would definitely support! ~ Mazzaz (talk)  03:03, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 4)   03:20, 31 July 2021 (UTC) ］ |
 * 5)  Active, trustworthy user with a good understanding of the content policy. Thanks for volunteering. — Arcversin (talk) 13:14, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * 6)  trusted user --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 00:43, 2 August 2021 (UTC)


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Avengium (Wiki creator)

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 * Likewise to Agent Isai's request above, there is clear consensus for the bit here. In addition to Content Policy and Wiki creators' guide, please see also the helpful tips I've shared at Arcversin's, DarkMatterMan4500's, and CircleyDoesExtracter's user talk pages. Dmehus (talk) 18:16, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

User: Avengium ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log ) Group: Wiki creator Reason: I want to help Miraheze with something more. And I think reviewing wiki requests is a good thing. Sometimes I read on the discord server of Miraheze that someone is asking about a wiki request and I think I could help on that. I check Meta frequently and I can check Special:RequestWikiQueue too. I have read Wiki creators' guide and the Code of Conduct. I translated several pages on Meta about policies so I have read a lot about different policies on Miraheze. I understand spanish at a native level and I could help reviewing the requests that are written in Spanish. This would help reviewing wiki requests for spanish communities, and having volunteers who know Spanish can give a better welcome to Spanish communities into Miraheze. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Avengium (talk • contribs) 00:58, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Additional comments:

Other users feel free to support/oppose/abstain from this RfP but please state your reasoning below.
 * Questions
 * 1)  How would you action the following wiki requests? (Approve, decline, ask for more information?) And what's your reasoning?
 * (a) A wiki that says it will discuss the ideology of the Nazi party in Germany
 * (b) A wiki whose description is "Exposing the nefarious deeds of large multinational companies and the controversies that they're involved in"
 * (c) A wiki that proposes to criticise bloggers who they think are doing "terrible things"
 * (d) A private wiki with the description "personal notes for university".
 * Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 10:49, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * (a) I will ask for clarification. Because it is not clear if it is in the germany of old or of today, or what relation they have with the content of the wiki.
 * (b) I will ask for information about the wiki, not about the topic. The title sounds defamatory because reading the summary I do not know if that is true or not, but the text already proclaims so. If in doubt I would ask another admin of miraheze.
 * (c) Decline. This sounds defamatory. A wiki is not a place to criticise things without backing the information. And the content policy specifies that.
 * (d) Approve. The topic is not specified as prohibited and is not controversial, is ok to make a wiki for that. Avengium (talk) 17:15, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for answering my questions, I would agree with most of your answers, the first would be an approve if it's historical but yes it doesn't hurt to ask for more information if it's too vague. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 19:09, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 1)  How would you handle a wiki request for "a mirror of Encyclopedia Dramatica"? What parts of the Content Policy would/wouldn't apply in this case? — Arcversin (talk) 03:13, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I would decline the creation of the wiki as Encyclopedia Dramatica is a wiki dedicated to trolling, hate speech and bashing other people. The parts of the content policy involved are:
 * Miraheze does not host wikis with the sole purpose to spread unsubstantiated insult, hate or rumors against a person or group of people and A wiki must not create problems which make it difficult for other wikis. Avengium (talk) 09:53, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * As a follow up to Arcversin's question, why do you think this part applies: A wiki must not create problems which make it difficult for other wikis applies? ~ Mazzaz (talk) 11:22, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I think allowing a wiki dedicated to trolling, raiding and similar activities attracts people who do that actions inside their wiki but also outside of their wiki too. For example in Meta Miraheze, support channels, Discord, etc. In this case, these people can be disruptive for other wiki users, or can put a burden of actions to do to moderators and volunteers of Miraheze. Also, allowing such a wiki can make it difficult to other wikis if such people attracts malicious hackers or people who tries to put the online stability of the wiki in check. In that case some people could try to bring down miraheze (503, 404, etc) only to bring down EncycloD, with the collateral effect of bringing the other wikis down too. Avengium (talk) 13:03, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Comments
 * 1)  Solid reasoning; User is also a trusted user.  Agent Isai  Talk to me! 01:15, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  Because reasons! Also not many wiki approvers will be Spanish-language native. NimoStar (talk) 15:07, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 3)   03:22, 31 July 2021 (UTC) ］ |
 * 4)  Good answers to the questions, will be helpful to have a Spanish-speaking wiki creator. Thanks for volunteering. — Arcversin (talk) 13:28, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * 5)  – LGTM. ~ Mazzaz (talk)  14:29, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * 6)  we need more Wiki creators --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 00:42, 2 August 2021 (UTC)


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DarkMatterMan4500 (sysop)

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 * Following some concerns from a few people, I'll wait it out for 2-3 months before re-applying. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 13:33, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Group: sysop Reason: I'd like to help out more, given this community has almost been divulging in turmoil, given my overall activities on both here, and on their Discord server assisting them with problematic issues cross-wiki. I feel so bad for the recent resignations that occurred recently dating all the way back to June, and I want to change all of that, given my most contributions here, and on other wikis. I've thought this over yesterday while I was away from my computer for a couple hours, and I thought: "Hey, why don't I apply for sysop here, since I've been a wiki creator for nearly 6 months now?". I've attributed over 1,059 edits as of the time I'm writing this, helping with wiki requests, and help multiple users with whatever issues they had.

Additional comments: Given the state of this community, I'd like to fully be a part of this project and help turn things around, to the best of my ability. I know some of you may have doubts, and I don't blame any of you for having those doubts, but please try to assume good-faith when looking into this request. That's all I ask. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 18:33, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Questions
 * 1) With local sysop permissions, what do you plan to do that you would not be able to do as a regular user leading initiatives? --Raidarr (talk) 19:09, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, that's a good question, and here's my answer: Try and resolve issues with other users, and not just blocking them either. The other part of my answer would be to stop disruption when it occurs here, and wait for higher admins to decide the outcome, like a warning, or a lock (depending on how huge the disruption is), or possibly an indefinite block. All in all, depends on the outcome. I hope that answers your question. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 19:20, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * That is a fair answer. How would you deal with an issue where two users are, in so many words, 'at war' on a noticeboard (and conversely, on their own user page?) to await further action? Temporary closure, a warning to the participants (in-thread or on their pages), a swift temporary block? Further, given you would be an admin of meta itself in this position, would you say you are able to handle these situations on your own (as far as telling people to cool it and de-escalating) or do you feel it is someone else's job (a steward, global sysop, bureaucrat)? Apologies for the flood here of what is basically two big questions, I seek to understand what you consider 'in scope' of your conflict resolution given these issues tend to be the most sticky. Raidarr (talk) 19:53, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * 1)  Thank you for volunteering! Your edits are always welcome and I see you are very eager to do this per the #general conversation on Discord. You are a great user and are awesome at fighting vandalism. While discussing this with other users, some have pointed out that you could use some work dropping the stick. It was also pointed out that you had autopatrolled removed 2 months ago for edit warring. How do you respond to these inquiries raised? What have you done to stop edit warring? Additionally, you're involved in the Qualitipedia's a lot (which sometimes incur in drama). What steps will you take to avoid COI in case an issue from one of those wiki's spills onto here?  Local trust is very important to be granted rights. By being a Meta sysop, you would represent Meta itself which is why I ask. Thanks.  Agent Isai  Talk to me! 19:21, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * All excellent questions. Here are all of my answers: For the autopatrolled removal, I was perfectly fine with it being removed, but I also didn't mind re-granting me my autopatrolled rights just a week ago, when I substantially had an agreement with  regarding me having my edits be patrolled, so it wasn't a big loss. I mean, I was perfectly fine with it, considering how careful I was about textbook edit warring ever since the June 10th edit warring incident. As for the other part of me being a part of the Qualitipedia Wikis, that's definitely true, since I've been keeping an eye on things, like vandalism, spam, and/or whatever nonsense is being thrown there. Oh, and regarding COI, it depends if I'm involved or not. If I can understand this correctly, I have learned that those involved in conflict of interest that it's best to let another admin take over rather than handling it themselves when they're involved in said conflict. And the steps I will take to avoid such drastic measures will include: Not participating in some silly edit war, let another admin take over to resolve such disputes involving me, and take whatever action is necessary, and so forth. I hope this answers your questions. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 21:36, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * For anyone concerned about the Qualitipedia portion, I will stake that DMM has taken the important role of occasional mediator and general spam cleanup there. On other words, rarely has any involvement in the more questionable affairs that come from the place. If anything he's been helpful in the occasions that it has boiled over here. --Raidarr (talk) 21:46, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

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 * 1) it has only been a week since the user was given his autopatrolled rights back after they were taken from him for repeated edit warring. I don't know the specifics but the recentness does worry me. ~ El Komodos Drago (talk to me) 19:18, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * That was from back in June, and I haven't been edit warring here ever since the warning I was given, so it's not TOO recent, though. It's good that you brought up the concern though. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 19:23, 16 August 2021 (UTC)


 * 1)  DuchessTheSponge (talk) 19:13, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * 2) —Mario Mario 456  19:56, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * 3)  While I see many good reasons to support this user's campaign (i.e. absurdly high edit count, autopatrol rights, adding good rules to wikis, constantly checking Discord and Meta), I don't entirely trust this user to have higher rights than he does now. For example, he has falsely blocked people on various wikis just because he thought they were alts of other users - like me: when I first joined Miraheze, he blocked me from several Qualitipedia wikis because he thought I was an alt account of a globally locked user who will not be named just because we "wrote in the same style," and revoked my ability to access anything on those wikis until I pleaded innocence in his Discord DMs. He also clearly has some bias against joke wikis, even if they completely follow the content policy - as a wiki creator, he's disapproved of requests that were only joke wikis, and has taken places on Miraheze like SephSpace and Wage's Sus way too seriously, as the users there (me included) don't want to hurt or actually insult anyone there yet he really puts words in our mouths. For what it's worth, he's also removed comments he passed off as "peanut gallery" comments despite them being rather helpful and relevant when Geoshea's concerning behavior was brought up (which got him locked out of the wiki he created) just because they were from a user that he personally had a bone to pick despite their overall improvement with this new account, which I don't entirely find trustworthy either. Hey DMM, I'm deeply sorry, because we do get along and you did make my experience on Miraheze great when I pleaded innocence, but due to some of your behavior I'll have to oppose this... ChessPiece21 (talk) 00:37, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * 4) I cannot support this request, i don't think you're ready to become Meta sysop or something similar (GS/Steward/...). I don't like your uncivil comments on Discord or in block comments on-wiki.  You're doing false assumptions and, for example, you want block "socks" without evidence or users after one bad edit (i am not talking about hard vandals and similar). Considering all the above and unspoken arguments, it follows that I do not have 100% (full) confidence in your judgment at this time.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 05:06, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello . Which uncivil block comments on-wiki are you referring to? Do you mean the blocks DMM executed on Qualitipedia? ~ Mazzaz (talk) 06:10, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * That's fine and all, but nonetheless, and I do apologize for both of those things though. Ever since yesterday's ordeal, I've decided to act more mature and not act hastily. And as for the accusations, I went on ahead and deleted it mainly due to how old it was, and the mistake I made on my part during that time. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 10:01, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * 1)  I don't trust you, and points above only confirm my concerns. Plus that habit of deleting topics and things like that, instead of proper archiving. KatozzKita (talk) 13:02, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Could you explain what you mean by that? DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 13:05, 17 August 2021 (UTC)


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