Requests for Comment/Allow certain reception wiki types to be created

Back in October of last year, a RfC was made to close the reception wikis. This RfC passed, with new ones of all types since being declined. As a result, when I recently updated a wiki request after waiting a few months as I was told, it was declined under the reason of it being a reception wiki. I believe that certain types of reception wikis should be allowed. The wiki that I was proposing was "a wiki providing information from a general consensus about the reception of TV shows," and containing "pages detailing TV shows and their good and bad qualities". While this may seem like another Qualitipedia wiki or clone at first glance, it is meant to be a source based, non-personal opinion influenced wiki which does not separate shows by deeming them "good" or "bad," unlike what was seen on most reception wikis. I feel as if Qualitipedia is unfairly looming over every single reception wiki and making them seem all the same, and while I do admit a good majority of wikis are just Qualitipedia clones trying to copy what was done with those wikis, there are still people looking to provide unbiased information about media and its reception that can't do so due to this. That's why I think something should be done to differentiate the opinionated Qualitipedia clones from actual information centers with a focus on providing a general, sourced based viewpoint on media without labeling things as "good" or "bad". BookFandumb1 (talk) 04:46, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Proposal 1: Keep the ban on Qualitipedia-like wikis, but allow specific reception types to be created
This will not affect Qualitipedia-like wikis being declined, but will lift the ban for other reception wikis which meet the criteria for the following.
 * Are not separate wikis for "good" or "bad" media
 * Are not opinion based and instead contain varying viewpoints from different perspectives
 * Contain reliable sources

Support

 * 1)  as proposer. BookFandumb1 (talk) 04:46, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) That's going to be a hard no from me.  Reception wikis as a genre, qualitipedia-style or not, were a huge black eye for MH's reputation and a volunteer time-sink for unending rehabilitation efforts and burnout. Let's not retread old ground here. --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 04:59, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * 2)  You know, I always thought a source-based, reception based and not fundamentally biased into camps of 'good' and 'bad' reception wikis were the only way it would work. At this point: too late. Qualitipedia even tried that in its twilight time. I am not confident that the author of this request (a 'veteran' of the old way that I recognize from the old wikis) is capable of realizing this idealistic goal or able to manage the endless temperaments that this formula and subject at a wiki level attract, never mind the previous users, controversy and vandalism that the wiki he wants to create will attract. It's too soon, too close to the problem we struck in the first place, and I don't have any confidence in it being realized competently. So I firmly oppose weakening what has been a very positive policy on wikis of this focus. Let wikis of the old model that are still open reform and prove themselves better (there are several), or wikis off platform demonstrate competence, before we give a chance to something that already long overstayed its welcome. --Raidarr (talk) 05:14, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * 3) Nee. Naleksuh (talk) 05:34, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * 4)  I think it would be better to work towards improving the wiki's purpose statement so that it doesn't fall into the reception wiki category.  That is the best way to ensure that contributions won't be lost due to violations leading to a site shutdown.  --Imamy (talk) 05:45, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * 5)  Per NotAracham and Raidarr, for the most part. Qualitipedia and the rest of the reception wikis on Miraheze were a massive stain on its reputation as a suitable wiki farm. Volunteers spent countless hours resolving issues that originated on said wikis, some even migrating over to Meta (which causes its own problems). While the proposal laid out could work, it's all idealistic, and in reality Miraheze is not capable of moderating wikis to the extent that the proposal would require. One day, maybe. But today, no. This is a strong oppose from me. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 05:49, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * 6) As a former contributor to the reception wikis, I'm opposing this as strongest. If theses wikis are allowed to be created again, this will damage Miraheze's reputation yet again, so no. TIMEKEEPING  (talk༆) 07:51, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * 7)  Even though I believe that Miraheze should not restrict the creation of wikis based on their content as long as it doesn't violate the Content Policy (which only the idea/content of reception wikis doesn't violate; not necessarily their userbase, however), the creation of new reception wikis was banned because they significantly damaged Miraheze's reputation (so much so that Miraheze has had to add a question in their FAQ about their toxicity). There are hundreds of rants on the Internet about reception wikis; in fact, if you type "miraheze" into Google Search, "miraheze reception wikis rant" is fifth on the list. Additionally, your rationale for creating this RfC is weak. Tali64³ (talk) 11:45, 22 February 2023 (UTC)