Community noticeboard/Archive 7

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Can I backup?
If I make a personal wiki can I have a backup if Miraheze ever breaksdown?
 * Of course! Special:DataDump can be used for that effect. Reception123 (talk) ('C' ) 16:20, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, the data dumps also mentioned at Terms of Use. The usage of data dumps is to generate your content as xml, and your content must be comply with TOU, just in case your Wiki had accidentally breakdown. SA 13 Bro (talk) 02:56, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

How to import
I want to import pages from Wikibooks. But at Special:Import, I can only select metawiki and templatewiki to import pages on. --Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 16:56, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

How do I add other languages to my wiki?
Hey, I manage the wiki.mxlinuxusers.de in German language up to now. Now there is a request to expand it to English language too(like the wiki.archlinux.org). So I want to add https://wiki.mxlinuxusers.de/wiki/Main_Page to "in other languages" like they do. How this can be done? --Peter Littmann (talk) 16:21, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * First you need to create the interwiki (I can do it but I need to know which prefix they want to use) and enable wgExtraInterlanguageLinkPrefixes in GitHub (I can enable it). Hispano76 (talk) 16:53, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I am not sure if I understand you correctly. I understand you wish to get the following data:

Could this work in this form or does I need to create a new wiki and eventually a new domain on which it runs? --Peter Littmann (talk) 02:31, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Prefix: en or mxlinuxusersen
 * URL: https://wiki.mxlinuxusers.de/wiki/Main_Page
 * So when the user opens https://wiki.mxlinuxusers.de he should get Hauptseite and under in anderen Sprachen there should be a link English which should link to https://wiki.mxlinuxusers.de/wiki/Main_Page. Will this be practicable or would you suggest a better method?
 * Hello, i think you want to enable the "Translator" extension for your wiki like we have enabled on meta. Paladox (talk) 14:16, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * As I understand this seems to be meant for translation projects where the authors write and translate together. In our wiki a group of some germans will write and a independent group of some English speaking authors will write their articles where some are in both groups but the content may be grow independent. Some articles may exist in both languages some not. --Peter Littmann (talk) 15:06, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Then you will have to request a new specialized wiki for the English language apart from the German wiki. Then you could use interwikis as Wikipedia does. Hispano76 (talk) 20:54, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * So I have ordereed a new domain(mxlinuxusers.org) where I added a subdomain wiki.mxlinuxusers.org and set the CNAME to your server. I requested a new wiki in the form and used Phabricator to request a Let's encript certificate. So from my side seems to be all fullfilled, right? Please check it. --Peter Littmann (talk) 22:39, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Giving access to linking between wikis
Hello, I would like my wiki (https://hasanistan.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page) to have the ability to link to other wikis in Miraheze and also this wiki (https://micronations.wiki/wiki/Main_Page). Thanks. OIMGov (talk) 14:01, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Some of them are accessible via interwiki links. Ask a staff for more details. Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 20:20, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

where is "Special:ManageWiki"
From miraheze I got the message posted on https://isac.miraheze.org/wiki/: "Miraheze Staff has noticed that this wiki has no edits or logs made within the last 45 days. If you would like to prevent this wiki from being closed, please start showing signs of activity here. If there are no signs of this wiki being used within the next 15 days, this wiki may be closed per the Dormancy Policy. This wiki will then be eligible for adoption by another user. If not adopted and still inactive 135 days from now, this wiki will become eligible for deletion. Please be sure to familiarize yourself with Miraheze's Dormancy Policy. If there is activity on this wiki you can go to Special:ManageWiki and uncheck "inactive" yourself. If you have any other questions or concerns, please don't hesitate to Stewards' noticeboard."

Following the above hint "go to Special:ManageWiki" I visit "https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages", but there searching for "ManageWiki" gives no result; "Manage a wiki" leads me to somewhere I feel lost.

So, how can I uncheck "inactive" ?

Best, Walther
 * Go to isac.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:ManageWiki Zppix (Meta &#124; CVT Member &#124; talk to me) 14:13, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
 * If you want ease of access, it is also accessible from your wiki sidebar. Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 20:18, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

I am reviving this topic about the board of Miraheze and how Miraheze should be incorporated
Miraheze technically needs a board and needs to be incorporated. On my page about this topic, Miraheze, th "Service", should be incorporated and Wikipedians will revive this draft on WP once more external sources are found. On that page, we will divide Miraheze regions into Miraheze Europe, America and Asia. Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 08:13, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Miraheze doesnt need a board imo, and about that staff/contractor page, none of us are paid staff (AFAIK) we are all volunteer. I would prefer you to continue only if/after you get approval from staff or community (whichever is applicable). Thanks! Zppix (Meta &#124; CVT Member &#124; talk to me) 13:25, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Since Miraheze is an organisation we need to divide Miraheze into three governance regions: Miraheze Asia (which includes The Pioneer, Fukahire, SA and me, and also Revi), Miraheze Europe (which includes Paladox, Southparkfan, Rob Kam, and also Reception123), and Miraheze America (which obviously includes John and Labster). Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 13:54, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Is it really necessary? I would prefer to avoid so much bureaucracy and that the project focuses on the contents of wikis, avoid ambiguity in user permissions and make campaigns for donations among others. Having so much bureaucracy is going to make Miraheze look like Wikia/Fandom... that in the end it won't help the average contributor. Hispano76 (talk) 20:58, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I think this isn't necessary, for the entire site it is written that Miraheze is maintained by volunteers, the staff and volunteers pages are public, as if to talk about government. Besides having the need to name the region from which a volunteer contributes could violate privacy, i don't think it is necessary to know where you are from or where we are. -- Dark Dragoon  (talk)  01:19, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Think about that. If Miraheze did become an organisation we will have to set up MH Asia MH europe and MH north america Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 10:40, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
 * If the staff and sysadmins exist, and they did so much work to make Miraheze better, why are not paid at least by donations Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 10:42, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I think that the users who contributed voluntarily here tried hard to show transparency and offer a good service. They just did an annual survey showing a lot of interest in the consumer based on what they built, so starting with personal donations would look bad.
 * And i don't think we just have to look at the work done by the system administrators, all the volunteers do something to make this place better. In my case i only do translations, it seems very little, but I try to do it because i know friends who think that this is just a place for english speaking users, but i don't need donations to make it more accessible to them. -- Dark Dragoon  (talk)  13:35, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

There is obviously not a consensus to do this, if you want to open an RfC feel free although i can promise it wont get consensus either. Zppix (Meta &#124; CVT Member &#124; talk to me) 14:11, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Stewards and CVTs should have a yearly meeting. For stewards, it is in Southparkfan’s house, and while CVTs is in Reception123’s house. Is that okay? Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 12:39, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I too concur that there is no need to organize users by world region. I don't conceal mine, others might, and nationality is generally not an issue except for varying skill at, and desire to use, English.  (If we had to sort users, I would prefer doing it by demonstrated maturity, so the recent wave of feuding children should have to eat at a separate table!)  Legal and financial organization of Miraheze is a topic to be handled by Stewards unless they should come to us for help or a mandate.   16:44 24-Jun-2019
 * Can Miraheze have at least some meetings? Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 09:09, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Enabled in extensions "Comments", but can`t see them.
I looked through all settings, useless. What else should I do to use comments on my wiki bz.miraheze.com? Despierto (talk) 11:05, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, please take a look at mw:Extension:Comments. It requires that a parser tag in the form of  be placed on each page that can recieve comments. I'm not sure if there is any other more suitable, but be aware that there are some mass edit extensions that can be used to add the tag to all pages. --  Void  Whispers 00:13, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! That`s what I need!

Twitter cards, bis
In Community noticeboard/Archive 6, I inquire about a MediaWiki extension that adds meta tags to help Twitter display a graphic when I tweet out a reference to a page on my wiki. (Infrequent User:El Komodos Drago said it was as simple as installing an extension, and Reception123 offered to find out which one.)

I am told it is OpenGraphMeta, but I don't see any reference to it in Extensions. Moreover, I don't see a way to select extensions at Special:ManageWiki on TheMirror.miraheze.org, although I believe I used it in the past to add extensions.

(Reception123 reported studying this extension in Request features/Archive 3. And User:Michaeldakin in Community noticeboard/Archive 4 said he had enabled it but was dissatisfied with the results.)

Separately, Archive 6 of this page is not in the index at the top of the page. 13:37 28-Jun-2019
 * Extensions are managed through Special:ManageWiki/extensions, and the extension you are looking for appears on that page. -- Void  Whispers 00:14, 29 June 2019 (UTC)


 * It does indeed, and it now states that I have enabled it. I hope my confusion prompts an improvement in the documentation, such as (1) making "Extensions" visible from the Special:ManageWiki main page (as it is non-intuitive how to get there) and (2) documenting OpenGraphMeta at Extensions.  Thanks for your help!   05:13 29-Jun-2019


 * And it did indeed produce a Twitter card.  05:21 29-Jun-2019

How do I disable unlogged users from contributing?
Please help? Mar9122 (talk) 20:08, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
 * You can use Special:ManageWiki/permissions to restrict the access of unlogged users. -- Void  Whispers 20:11, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Almost forgot, but make sure that any rights you remove from unlogged users is granted to the user group (or another group). -- Void  Whispers 20:26, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll try. Mar9122 (talk) 20:46, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm back and it seems like unlogged users can still use a forum for whatever reason. Is there a way to disable it? Mar9122 (talk) 01:50, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * sorry for the delay, but it should soon (by the time you see this probably) be possible to disable anon usage of WikiForum from Special:ManageWiki/settings under the edit section. -- Void  Whispers 00:09, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Meetings on Miraheze
Can Miraheze Have at least some meetings? Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 05:43, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * What do you expect to discuss? Given Miraheze size and speed of development we engage in active dialogue. John (talk) 08:09, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The point that I want to ask is that if Miraheze can have some meetings. --Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 11:13, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I second @John, what would you expect us to discuss? It’s alright saying “having meetings”, but you need to know what your going to talk about, where your going to do it and what time your going to do it. Paladox (talk) 11:51, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * We are not big enough. Zppix (Meta &#124; CVT Member &#124; talk to me) 13:27, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The meeting will talk about donations, because seeing Finances which is currently managed by Labster, it does not have as much donations that it would need to support our whole volunteer, which needs a better campaign for donations. On my view of User:Southparkfan/Fundraising-campaign-proposal, the campaign should be redirected to a Wikimedian such as SA 13 Bro, to attract more users to Miraheze instead of other wiki hosting services. Some people like Yaron are already working on Referata, and we need to change his attention. Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 01:12, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Why oppose? We are technically big enough to host meetings, possibly at Southparkfan's house.
 * You said TO-DO was incorporation to make finances better, why not discuss with becoming incorporated. Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 01:15, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

I cant even take you seriously when you say things like have a meeting at SPF’s house. I can’t take this proposal seriously either. Zppix (Meta &#124; CVT Member &#124; talk to me) 02:13, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Always at the Founder's house if we are not big enough (we only have 6 staff) Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 02:56, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * This is not a serious request. Before we even discuss anything else, firstly because all staff live in different locations. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 17:16, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * That's why we have to set up a travel policy. Expect RfCs. Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 02:03, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 * If I am to travel to different world regions, I want an expense account, and we should vote on whether it pays us to fly First Class. Seriously, do you have an agenda in mind (that requires face-to-face meetings versus interaction via Internet)? or shall we just have meetings and bicker about the catering and argue about the site of the next meeting?   05:17 29-Jun-2019
 * I am creating the agenda. Fung</b> ster (contribs - email - CA) 01:51, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
 * With all due respect, i really don't understand where you want to go. In recent days i've seen that you've proposed strange things... But to contribute something, i will simply comment: I was a volunteer in fandom and when we had meetings we did using BlueJeans and nobody ever thought of a meeting in someone's house. If Miraheze require meetings i think it could be something similar or just a chat using IRC or Discord? but it's staff stuff, so i will not say much either. Greetings. -- Dark Dragoon  (talk)  02:47, 30 June 2019 (UTC)