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I need your help.

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 * Steward attention does not seem to be required. Note that there's no monopoly on Reception wikis, and you're always free to request a fork wiki, sharing the same topic, provided it is (a) not a substantial copy/paste of an existing wiki and that it has (b) a clear purpose, scope, and a topic. Dmehus (talk) 23:30, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

The Reception Wikis' mods are BY GOD, CORRUPT. I keep telling them over and over again that positive/negative reception doesn't make a movie automatically good/bad, and I even tried to prove my point by threatening to add Cuties - FUCKING Cuties - to GMW as it was praised by critics. A gun to the head, for the right reasons. To put an end to the spread of ignorance. And guess what? Every time I try to explain to them, THEY WON'T FUCKING LISTEN. They unfairly permanently banned me from the wikis, and demonized me. When all I was trying to do was make sure people understand that the Lion King sequels are objectively pieces of shit.

Can you help me, Miraheze mods? Please? I've been telling them over and over again that they're corrupt, and they won't listen.

(If you read any profanity in the link... I was PISSED. I was fed up. I had to convey my anger. I had to lash out since they wouldn't listen.) FreezingTNT (talk) 19:06, 24 July 2021 (UTC)


 * It seems to me like your response was not very mature. There was no 'better man' in the discourse and attempting that controversial move as a 'gun to the head' should have obviously not worked well. But more concerning is how much pulling teeth it seems to take to make any progress or civil exchange, and the absolute poor state of leadership. To that end and in response to one of the QP admin's requests for feedback, I produced a blog which I think effectively summarizes the core issues with how the wikis are run. They are severe to the extent an eye from above may be needed. Consensus is incredibly difficult to achieve or even begin seeking and requires a bit of flame-stirring to even get an issue to attention. --Raidarr (talk) 19:55, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

So... what is your plan for the Lion King sequels' articles and my original pointers? And what do you think of, well... "The reception doesn't dictate whether the movie or whatever is actually good/bad on its own"? [Sigh of tiredness after months of drama and stress.] All I ever wanted... was for people to understand that the films weren't really perfect. That they should consider my viewpoints and criticisms in mind and acknowledge them, not ignore them, not discard them, and certainly not throw them away like garbage.

FreezingTNT (talk) 20:09, 24 July 2021 (UTC)


 * This seems like something a hearty 'alternative opinion' (ie, the bad qualities) section could take in mind, even if the policy defers to a general reception (the reasonable apparent sum of audience opinions). But how this works and how the exceptions work is something that should be reasonably discussed locally. That's the angle that would merit Steward action. The actual judgement and resolution, not really their business. The tools of civil discussion just need to be there. --Raidarr (talk) 20:16, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
 * There's a few things I would like to note, in response. The "[positive/negative term] [genre or medium or entertainment] Wiki" implies it's less about the reception and more about whether it, by itself, is actually good or bad. Detractors/haters would show up on our wikis and explain why [insert good/bad quality] is wrong or misinterprets the movie/whatever... and the mods wouldn't remove that from the WIR/WIS/GQ/BQ section since, as you said, it's apparently about the general audience opinion/consensus, regardless of whether the good/bad quality is either valid or misinterprets the movie (like, for example, if Last Jedi defenders show up on the Awful Movies Wiki and explain why the article for The Last Jedi is wrong or misinterprets the movie and the mods in this specific scenario would refuse to take it down because "it's what the public believes"). As I mentioned, I'm just trying to cleanse away some ignorance — at one point, because of their policy, I considered that, if I get a YouTube channel and it becomes very popular and then I make reviews of the respective Lion King sequels and if they become popular enough or whatever, it would become the general reception and my intended goal would be achieved.
 * The film/game/show/episode/whatever, by itself, is usually the source for reviews, so positives or negatives usually based on what actually happens in the work itself can't be reception-based. My problems are indeed opinions, but they are well-reasoned and so is other criticisms or praises of media — they're all backed up by what actually happens in the movie/whatever itself. Art is subjective — whether a movie/whatever is good or bad is up to your own personal feelings, but stuff such as plot holes and contrivances... ugh, just read this Reddit post to see what I'm trying to say here. (A character being unlikable or annoying isn't necessarily objective fact, but there's always reasons that make it more likely people will find it annoying or unlikable — like the Holocaust, it objectively happened but the fact Hitler's actions took the lives of innocent people and traumatized those who personally knew those Jews made it more likely people would hate the Holocaust, if you know what I mean.)
 * FreezingTNT (talk) 00:20, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Can you acknowledge this or point this out in your Qualitipedia response on the New Reception Wiki? In one final attempt for the users to understand my viewpoints? FreezingTNT (talk) 17:46, 25 July 2021 (UTC)


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Delete Encyclopedia Conpactia/Naveria
The conpact wiki went inactive and the focus of its "successor" has been dissolved. I no longer have any interest in running it. ConpactCasper (talk) 03:23, 25 July 2021 (UTC)


 * ConpactCasper ✅. Dmehus (talk) 23:25, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

MarioMario456 power abuse case

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 * We do not need to hear this daily. Stewards need time to look into things. If you have more to raise, drama on meta isn't needed. Please take this to a private venue now. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  18:06, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

There is a problem with MarioMario456 on Qualitipedia. He has continuously blocked me, and rages at me whenever I do something. He also constantly acts like he owns Qualitipedia and refuses to assume good faith. Whereas DuchessTheSponge has improved and has stopped attacking me for the most part, the trouble continues with MarioMario456. Here is what he has done: Honestly, I can tolerate Duchess. While he has accused me of things, at least he is a very active admin and is easier to contact. Also, Duchess has replied on several of these threads saying that he would unblock me and seems more forgiving. Even though Duchess blocked me cross-wiki, he said "Sorry Blubabluba9990 but this is for the best", implying that he is somewhat sympathetic. MarioMario456, on the other hand, definitely deserves a cross-wiki desysopping. Mario hasn't even been here that long, he has only been on Miraheze since September of last year and I am not sure when he became an admin. Duchess, on the other hand, has been here since March or April. I genuinely want to help Qualitipedia. And I have made several helpful edits to many of the Qualitipedia wikis. But I cannot contribute when I am in fear of being blocked. So I request a global desysopping of MarioMario456, or at least a warning. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 17:52, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) Recently he blocked me for talking about a user on FANDOM who had harassed me. He warned me for falsely accusing a user and demanded I find proof while I did not want to bring up my old FANDOM drama. I even deleted the comment, but he blocked me anyway, even when I asked him not to block me. Proof: mh:crappygames:User talk:MarioMario456. He has never even been to Encyclopedia SpongeBobia, so how would he know. At least Duchess has actually been to Encyclopedia SpongeBobia and contributed there.
 * 2) He has raged at me multiple times for trying to explain myself and gotten mad even when I just wanted to peacefully talk. Such can be found in several discussions here on Meta, including on his talk page: User talk:MarioMario456
 * 3) When I asked him to do some things, he raged at me and told me to stop bothering him. Such proof can also be found on my talk page on Crappy Games Wiki.
 * 4) He created an attack blog against me which is full of false information. He also restored the blog without permission from other admins, including DuchessTheSponge, who co-created the blog. Which brings me to my next point.
 * 5) He constantly acts like he is in charge of Qualitipedia. He always talks about trying to restore Qualitipedia's reputation, but he really hasn't helped out much. Also, Duchess is the one calling most of the shots.
 * 6) He got butthurt when people tried to say that if something has positive reception that does not mean it is good and vice versa. It can be found in one of his blogs on Crappy Games Wiki, I don't remember the name.
 * 7) He seems physically incapable of assuming good faith. He has blocked me several times for minor things which I have discussed in the past. He doesn't even consult the other admins.
 * 8) The last time MarioMario456 blocked me, DarkMatterMan unblocked me, and in the unblock summary he commented "this is pretty petty".
 * 9) While Duchess sometimes changes his mind, and has unblocked me and is somewhat forgiving, MarioMario456 seems incapable of forgiveness. He is constantly like "This is your last chance".
 * 10) He also says I am only on the wikis to cause drama when that is not true at all. I have made several useful edits on many of the Qualitipedia wikis, mostly the shows wikis, movies wikis, and characters wikis. Just check my contributions on those wikis.
 * 11) He has also deleted my userpages on many Qualitipedia wikis for no reason at all.

[https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard#I_need_your_help. You're not the only one struggling with the mods here.] FreezingTNT (talk) 17:54, 25 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Yeah. Honestly I can tolerate the other admins. MarioMario456 hasn't even been on Qualitipedia that long yet he constantly acts like he owns the place. I also forgot to mention that MarioMario456 says that I am playing the victim card when I am not. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 18:01, 25 July 2021 (UTC)


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