Requests for Comment/Changes to Requests for Comment Policy

__NEWSECTIONLINK__ Changes made to existing clauses have been highlighted by italicisation. Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 22:27, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

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 * 1)  as proposer. Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 22:27, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

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 * 1)  as proposer. Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 22:27, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

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 * 1)  as proposer. Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 22:27, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

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 * 1)  as proposer. Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 22:27, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

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 * 1)  as proposer. Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 22:27, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Proposal 6: Use of Discussion Tools
'''Use of Discussion Tools on Requests for Comment pages is encouraged to make replying to and adding new proposals easier and less time-consuming. This is to be done with the addition of .'''

Rationale: This probably does not need to become an official policy but given this is usually not done, it may be useful to revive this old practice from 2021 even if it was never used on all RfCs.

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 * 1)  as proposer. Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 15:09, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Proposal 7: Closure
'Requests for Comment that affect the global community must generally stay open for at least twenty (20) days; and those that affect local communities (e.g. Meta, Login Wiki etc.), must generally stay open for at least five (5) days''. They can be closed before either if they are out-of-scope, malformed, if it is clear that there is no chance of consensus, or if there is an emergency. A Request for Comment that has not been drafted in advance may be closed by a Steward immediately if it is too vague or unclear.'''

Rationale: A five day limit is too small for a community the size of Miraheze; I would have gone for thirty days if there were not cases were a lot of comments were made within five days justifying a Steward closure. The addition of the exception for cases where there is an emergency is for cases like the move to Libera.Chat for Miraheze's IRC channels nearly two years ago.

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 * 1)  as proposer. Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 15:09, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Comments

 * Fully aware you're still in drafting stage here, but may I suggest 14 days as a reasonable minimum on globally-scoped RfCs instead? Reviewing previous RfCs, most conversations have well-petered out by that point and Stewards generally don't close global RfCs before then anyhow (or if there's active discussion/voting still underway).  Keeping open for a full 20 days in the case of a clear consensus supporting with 0 opposes seems excessive, in my view... --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 17:34, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Feel free to add any alternatives or amendments. The reason behind choosing 20 days is quite personal. I was unaware of the "recent" wiki governance RfC due to inactivity and only came to know about it more than a month after it was opened (and voted on it about half a month later due to my question on the RfC never being answered). Had a Steward closed it as soon as active discussion had ended, I would not have been able to participate there and I doubt I am the only local admin who feels the current limit is far too small and fails to take into account that most people have IRL commitments. Having said that, I do agree that if there is a clear consensus, it makes absolutely no sense to keep an RfC open for that long so if you have any wording changes in mind, I would gladly change this proposal (without introducing any amendment). Redmin Contributions CentralAuth (talk) 19:31, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * What I might suggest is that you add the Requests for Comment page to your watchlist so that you are able to receive notifications when a new one is added. Even though I disagree and have made this clear before with RfC being closed immediately after the minimum period has expired for no particularly urgent reason I would agree with NotAracham that 20 days is too much for a minimum period. It is unfortunate that some people might miss RfCs but if users are interested in voting in RfCs they are free to use the watchlist method to get notified immediately. I would be willing to support a similar proposal if the concept was reversed and the norm would remain 7 days but the exception for "major reform RfCs" would be a longer period such as 14 days or 21 days but there are also arguments against this which is that it would be hard to differentiate this new "type" of RfC. DeeM28 (talk) 18:38, 28 April 2023 (UTC)