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Travel guides Wiki golf
If you like simple travel topics, or golf ask me to the wikis. Ty. Sperosdurell (talk) 23:16, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * A link to your wiki would be helpful, greetings --LilyLilyu - smile.svg talk and I will listen · Lilypond Wiki 07:54, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * https://setg.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page here you go 😊 Sperosdurell (talk) 10:20, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you. You can abbreviate the link  Main Page greetings --LilyLilyu - smile.svg talk and I will listen · Lilypond Wiki 17:29, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The wiki needs support. Yaq1121 (talk) 18:22, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * What kind of support? Iron Sword 23 (talk) 19:44, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Anytime would be much appreciated. Yaq1121 (talk) 20:43, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Anything. Yaq1121 (talk) 20:43, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Any possibility to get page view statistics or analytics without Matomo?
We want to have some basic statistics of our page views (ideally as available as time series aggregated daily) to see if and how usage changes after specific actions of advertising our Wiki. Aggregated data without user tracking is totally sufficient.

Our initial idea was to integrate it with our Google Analytics using the Google Analytics Integration or the [HeadScript], which seems deprecated by Miraheze as discussed here because of privacy concerns.

Using this alternative Matomo and MatomoAnalytics seems overkill, as we are already using Google Analytics for the remainder of the pages.

This overview produced by the Special:Analytics of the plugin is not enough, as the aggregation is quite coarse and would require some hacky script to scrape off daily to get daily usage.

However, it seems, that generally the Wikimedia API provides the capability to get pageviews, as documented here:

However, it seems not available in our installation, as this query

https://wiki.climatechange.ai/w/api.php?action=query&format=json&prop=pageviews&titles=Welcome_to_the_Climate_Change_AI_Wiki

Returns: Unrecognized value for parameter "prop": pageviews

Similarly, the REST API here offers the metrics of pageviews, which is not available for our wiki:

What is the best approach for our installation?

Can the Miraheze admins activate the pageviews in the API or are we bound to using Matomo? Didn't find anything in the Special:ManageWiki to do it myself. MarcusV (talk) 12:57, 22 June 2021 (UTC)


 * This request should be made in Phabricator. Thanks, —Bu kk it 17:18, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank. Yes, wasn't sure. Sounded like something that may be a general thing. Thanks, I raised it with #T7512 MarcusV (talk) 20:10, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Generally, yes most posts should be made in the CN, but technical stuff (unconfigurable) should be a task on Phab. —Bu kk it 21:22, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Bukkit I'm actually not seeing as how this would be appropriate for a Phabricator task. MarcusV asked for possible alternatives, excluding Google Analytics which is unavailable for obvious privacy reasons, for analytics for their wiki, something that is in between the Matomo Analytics extension on Miraheze and the Matomo extension. Dmehus (talk) 01:36, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Namespace default link prefix
Quoted from https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Namespace_manager Default link prefix. Links from this namespace to other pages which do not have a prefix will be treated as if they were prefixed with this text. For example, if this was set to "User", a link in the given namespace Dogmaster3000 would be rendered as if it was written Dogmaster3000. The most common use for this is namespace-internal linking. For example, it could be assumed that any unprefixed link in the "Cookbook" namespace points to another recipe, rather than a page in the Main Namespace. How can enable this feature on my newly defined namespace on my miraheze instance? I did create a new namespace, but it keeps linking to the main namespace, instead of namespace-internal linking. Altilunium (talk) 01:49, 23 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Altilunium, ordinarily, if it can't be done in ManageWiki, usually ; however, in this case, as ManageWiki controls our namespace configuration on Miraheze, it might be difficult / not possible without migrating to ManageWiki. What are you trying to do, though? Dmehus (talk) 01:52, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm looking for easier way to do namespace-internal linking. We at the Bluepages community have a discussion regarding how to split the project for each country. The consensus is : split this wiki to several "sub-wiki" by using namespace. Altilunium (talk) 02:06, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Close my account
Hello, please close my account on Miraheze, because I am no longer interested in Miraheze. Thanks. SobySobea (talk) 06:21, 14 June 2021 (UTC)


 * SobySobea We can't close or delete accounts, but we can either (a) vanish your account (which can be recovered later and which is handled by Stewards) or (b) anonymize your account (which can't be recovered and which is handled by Trust and Safety). If you prefer the latter, please e-mail . Thank you. Dmehus (talk) 06:40, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * SobySobea You should not have engaged in vandalism on Meta Wiki and Loginwiki. Nevertheless, I'm willing to assume good faith here that this was a temporary, very ill-advised spate of vandalism owing to the fact that your self-requested lock had not been put into place. The fact is, though, it was not put into place because we were awaiting clarification on whether you meant for your account merely to be locked by Stewards (can be unlocked later) or anonymized by Trust and Safety (cannot be recovered later). Nevertheless, I will relock your account as a self-requested Steward lock. Should you wish to later anonymize your account later, you may e-mail Trust and Safety at . Additionally, please consider this your firm warning that vandalism is not tolerated, and you should've instead checked your Echo notifications (red bell) for my ping to you. Thank you. Dmehus (talk) 14:43, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

A countdown clock.
Is there a way to create a repeatable countdown timer that could help me count down repeatedly when a Trophy Season in Brawl Stars is ending and then countdown again for the new season? Song Ngư MGR (talk) 08:33, 9 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Not sure about an animating countdown timer, but you can do something similar using ParserFunctions by subtracting dates after converting them into numerical values: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions
 * The result will be static however (at least won't update on the page without a refresh). SchizoidNightmares (talk) 19:39, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * You can also use Lua for this. For example, the English Wikipedia utilizes Module:Countdown. Other than that, if you want a live countdown timer, you would probably need to do a JS gadget. I could see about throwing one together for you if you'd like. -- Void  Whispers 02:18, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah I'd like to ;)
 * Actually I feel myself just a beginner on my little journey '_' Song Ngư MGR (talk) 03:34, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * So how would you do the way?
 * (I also notice that now you could subscribe to the thread that you are working on :D) Song Ngư MGR (talk) 02:06, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry if this not urgent, but... Uhh...
 * It's 10 days from the last comment that I placed here, Void.
 * So... uhhh... How would you do with the gadget? Song Ngư MGR (talk) 07:31, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Good news, I found an extension called CountDownClock while looking for things for Moderation. Since the documentations said that it would create an dynamic countdown clock, I thinks I would thank you for helping me, but... Now u could rest. Song Ngư MGR (talk) 18:29, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Recent Changes Bot
How can I make my own Recent Changes bot to monitor my own Miraheze instance?

I get really anxious whether someone is posting inappropriate / illegal content to my Miraheze instance. So, I want to closely monitor all of my wiki's recent changes. #miraheze-feed is a good start, but I want to monitor my own wiki, not everyone's wiki. Altilunium (talk) 04:31, 23 June 2021 (UTC) If it is failing at this very moment, it's because Miraheze servers are having issues right now, it should work without error once the servers are fixed. 21x (talk) 10:59, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * There is a special page for edits which are not created by your account, insert following e.g. in your userpage  there are far less edits from others than you think believe me ;-) --LilyLilyu - smile.svg talk and I will listen · Lilypond Wiki 07:24, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The main problem is : I want to set up a notification service, directly to my phone. So I don't have to manually, repeatedly check that page. That's why, IRC bot is pretty convenient to me. Regarding far less edits from others than you think, it's better safe than sorry. I have some pretty traumatic experience back then, regarding wiki's open-editing policy. I will ensure myself that this problem wont ever happened again. Altilunium (talk) 07:31, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Altilunium Can you create a MirahezeBots Phabricator task, specifying the name of your registered IRC channel (can be in Miraheze namespace or not), the IRC network it's on (Libera.Chat is strongly preferred), your registered IRC nickname, and the like? The MirahezeBots team will try and get this set up shortly. Thank you. Dmehus (talk) 14:31, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Dmehus Thank you. Altilunium (talk) 15:19, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Altilunium No problem. :) Dmehus (talk) 15:42, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * There is a global recent changes tracker. Join #miraheze-cvt-feed on Libera or go to #cvt-feed on the Miraheze Discord. —Mario Mario 456 19:39, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, in this case, though, they're looking for a specific wiki RC feed, which we do set up. It's just done by the MirahezeBots team. You can see some examples of specific wiki RC feeds at and . Dmehus (talk) 23:38, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * What Doug said, if you let us know what channel and what wikis then we can set it up. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  12:59, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * You could just use the atom/rss version of your recent changes feed and setup a RSS reader on your phone to notify you of any non-own edits to your wiki. I don't think recent changes filters apply to RSS, but you can use a service like https://siftrss.com/ to exclude your own edits. This way, no commitment to maintain new infrastructure is required from the Miraheze team and you can monitors it from as many devices as you want. Here, this one should do the trick: https://siftrss.com/f/lN79WmRnAJW It shows all recent changes on your wiki except by user Altilunium.

Welcoming bot
Hello! Are you interested on a welcoming bot? Angelo Pisani (talk) 16:15, 26 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Angelo Pisani For Meta Wiki, or is this a general invitation to set one up on other wikis? If the former, I'm going to say definitely not, unfortunately, mainly because spam only accounts, LTA sockpuppet accounts, and throwaway vandalism only accounts are created automatically on Meta Wiki by the CentralAuth extension, so that would just add a huge amount of unneeded clutter, unfortunately. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 18:55, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Namespace numbers differ between import-ready XML and destination wiki; will it actually work?
One problem down, another one to go. (Original MW filing has received no replies yet, so I'm taking it over to here.)

Early this morning, the namespace system on my just-relaunched creative-venture wiki began anew with specs for "Documentation", assigned the number of 3000. On the old ByetHost site last October, I had namespace-allocation trouble that began with "Documentation", set as "050", falling back to "40"--and that's what I ended up with in the backup XML. Towards the end of our short-lived trial, I managed to fix things up under the intended "50"--but the damage had been done, lessons were learned, and the experiment faded away some time afterward.

Before I resume my import campaign, will the old doc pages still work with the new number regardless? As per usual, I am ensuring nothing goes wrong before I can move on with the rest of my setup. --Routhwick (talk) 03:00, 27 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I've personally imported pages that have had different namespace ids on their original wiki onto Miraheze without a hitch. It shouldn't affect it at all. Agent Isai (talk) 03:23, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, echoing what Agent Isai said, I believe what matters, really, is the namespace names, not the ID numbers. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 03:54, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Turned on Preloader for my wiki--but how to configure or use it?
Because I'm not seeing any settings/pages for it, on ManageWiki or otherwise. (Problem #3 for this Miraheze newcomer, who successfully tested it with on his site's ByetHost precursor.)

Although Preloader is listed among the optional extensions, the only other reference to it on Meta is from back in January 2016, at Request features/Archive 3--and it's not even there at the subdomain referred to. --Routhwick (talk) 07:15, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Adding Reception Wikis as a wiki category
I think that “Reception Wiki” should be added as one of the wiki categories since Reception Wikis are extremely prevalent and common on Miraheze to the point where they have almost become synonymous with each other. Currently, the reception wikis are scattered throughout categories, though most of them are uncategorized. Also, there is a category called “Song Contest” which is probably exactly as it entails. The Reception Wikis are also the most active Miraheze wikis, so I think that they should be a separate category. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 18:12, 5 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I agree if the present system doesn't already classify them in a manner that makes identification more efficient. I would be curious to know just how many wikis are of this nature on Miraheze. SchizoidNightmares (talk) 20:38, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late reply but the majority of the wikis in my CentralAuth are reception wikis. Many of them are abandoned and a lot of them are closed for inactivity. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 22:16, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * ❌ for the time being. —Bu kk it 21:23, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Double CountDownClock in a single page?
Is this possible to have 2 parser function on an single page?

And if that so, how could I do the other one while the second one I placed disappear on the saved page? Song Ngư MGR (talk) 16:48, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

A question about private wikis
How do I make my wiki private but still readable by anyone. I know that most private wikis are not readable by anyone, but somehow Horrible TV Show Episodes Wiki and Marvelous TV Show Episodes Wiki are still readable despite being private. How would I make a wiki private but still readable, since I plan on making my wikis private so that they can't be adopted, but I still want people to be able to read them. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 18:54, 27 June 2021 (UTC)


 * So, those wikis are not readable by anyone. They're only readable by users in either the  or   local user groups (and stewards, Trust and Safety, and system administrators, of course). So, you basically make your wiki private, but then manually add users to either of the two groups using Special:UserRights on your wiki. You can even use Special:ManageWiki/settings to whitelist a Request access page on your wiki. Hope that helps. Note, though, that private wikis can be adopted by users in the   or   group, provided they were in those groups prior to the wiki being inactive and later closed per Dormancy Policy. Why are you trying to preclude users from adopting your wiki on a community-run, locally-controlled wiki farm, though? It seems counter to the very ethos of Miraheze, if you ask me. :) Dmehus (talk) 18:59, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Well the thing is I want to keep my wikis. Even though I would like people to contribute, I do not want people to think I don’t care about my wikis because I do care about them, I just want to keep my adminship. I also want to prevent my wikis from falling into the wrong hands. It seems like nobody wants to contribute to my wikis anyway. I have other things to do than constantly be updating my wikis all the time. I really wish there were no restrictions on dormancy policy exemption. The problem is that if I abandon my wikis, they end up getting closed. And if someone adopts them, then they are no longer my wikis. And if they fall into the wrong hands it could be disastrous. Also, there really isn't any point in sysops adopting a wiki if they already have sysop privileges. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 19:05, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, you can establish rules on your wiki governing how users are desysopped. If the removals are later done in contravention of those rules, the rights can, and have, in the past, been re-added by Stewards. Dmehus (talk) 19:08, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok. I do already have a sitenotice on two of the three wikis saying that the wikis are not up for adoption since I will most likely continue to work on them at some point. Right now though I have to help out with the rest of the Qualitipedia rebrand and also my idea about neutral Qualitipedia wikis which I posted on the talk page of Greatest Movies Wiki, which can be done after the current phase of the rebrand (redesigning the main pages of Delightful Music & Songs Wiki and Magnificent Literature Wiki, adopting Horrible Music & Songs Wiki and redesigning that wiki, and renaming the URLs of Terrible Shows & Episodes Wiki, Best Shows & Episodes Wiki, Incredible Characters Wiki, Dreadful Literature Wiki, and Magnificent Literature wiki so that their URLs match their proper names). So there is a lot of work to be done. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 20:49, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Horrible/Marvelous TV Show Episodes Wikis can be read despite being private, because I set it so that registered users can read it. It is impossible to change unregistered users' read permissions on a private wiki. —Mario Mario 456 18:45, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Kawipedia
Hello, can anyone help me fix this page on my wiki, kawipedia. Mazzaz (talk) 16:04, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I need to change the content model then only it works. ~ Mazzaz (talk) 03:17, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Could you elaborate on your request to make sure we understood everything? Thank you! Agent Isai (talk) 06:10, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , css pages like this and others appear as they are simple wikitext pages which they shouldn't. I need to change the content model of every css page into sanitized css then only they work. ~ Mazzaz (talk) 06:56, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Personally, I've had success in copying the contents of a page that's incorrectly formatted as wikitext, deleting the page, and recreating the page and pasting the text back to the article. After doing so, CodeEditor is typically triggered and it santizies the CSS. I know that you can manually trigger CodeEditor into sanitizing the CSS but frankly, I haven't been able to, so that's my little anecdote. Agent Isai (talk) 14:58, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I often see that admins import templates from commons or other wikis without understanding what they are doing, honestly, I don't either. I see in the template's error messages several missing extensions, greetings --LilyLilyu - smile.svg talk and I will listen · Lilypond Wiki 06:50, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Question about importing pages from Wikipedia:
If I was to import templates onto some of my wikis, what would I have to do in order to not get an error? DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 19:47, 29 June 2021 (UTC)


 * As you probably may know, you have to import all templates and modules referenced by the template. What I've seen some do is Special:Export the template they want and also click on "Include templates" on Special:Export and then import the xml dump to their wiki. This also sometimes includes extra templates so be careful. Agent Isai (talk) 20:28, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * But the question is, how would I do that? DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 22:50, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Question about auto given roles and overall permissions
Hello, I have a question about the user permission management Miraheze uses. Can the "Member" role only be given or is it automatically given to someone that actively is on my wiki? Because I would prefer it if only I or someone with "give role" permission can give someone that role since I wanna use it for who can creator or edit pages that aren't protected.

I don't want literally every user being able to edit or create pages or being able to do it after getting the "Autoconfirmed Users" role. Smashidachi (talk) 12:18, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The  group is only, typically, added to private wikis, and it includes only the   user right by default. You can assign it to anyone, typically, who requests access to your private wiki, and you can even whitelist said page for requesting access in Special:ManageWiki/settings, so non-members can can request access to view on-wiki. Hope this helps. Dmehus (talk) 12:28, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * oh alright. Yes that pretty much answered my question thank you ^^ Smashidachi (talk) 12:35, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * No problem. Happy to have helped! :) Dmehus (talk) 12:36, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

I've made a mistake!
I have made a mistake. I was trying to translate Asking questions correctly to Urdu but somehow the language wasn't switched and I wrote Urdu translations in the French version here. I am sorry for errors caused. What should be done now? Can any user who knows French, fix it. ~ Mazzaz (talk) 06:54, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, I manually reverted the changes, and imported the text you translated to the Urdu version. It's a mistake, don't sweat about it! Agent Isai (talk) 06:56, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I saw you fixing the page just after I posted the above message here. I would say: thanks for correcting that error. ~ Mazzaz (talk) 07:01, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Wiki backups cannot be imported
Good night, fine folks at Miraheze. (Just [re-]opened my wiki this afternoon.)

On the new version of my creative-venture wiki, I've begun the task of transferring what got saved from an earlier phase of its development at ByetHost (from October 2020). Minutes ago, I chose a backup XML to test it on and left everything alone, but after selecting "Upload file", an error message appeared:

Import failed: No interwiki prefix was supplied

From here, what else to do? (Not helped by the fact that the original Byet link expired some time ago, because funds weren't forthcoming--so there's no reference link to go by otherwise.) --Routhwick (talk) 03:20, 26 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Under the file selector on Special:Import, there is a field that reads "Interwiki prefix" which is used to correctly attribute edits to users, it creates a link to the wiki that the pages were exported from. You can enter any value in there (e.g. oldwiki, or the name of your wiki) which will cause the history page to list previous contributors as "oldwiki>User" (unless the user locally exists on the wiki, in which case you can select "Assign edits to local users" which will automatically fix that and link to an actual user). Adding an interwiki prefix should resolve your error, you can just enter whatever if you want to. The "oldwiki>User" link will not be clickable unless you ask an interwiki administrator to add an interwiki link to your wiki which will make the link clickable. Agent Isai (talk) 05:47, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Put in "byethost" as the prefix, ticked the "Assign edits" box...and it worked like a charm. Thanks for the help! --Routhwick (talk) 06:16, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Routhwick Did  exist in your wiki's local Special:Interwiki table? If not, you will not have Special:Contributions links to the source wiki and edits may not be locally assigned where the same user exists locally. That being said, this should be able to be resolved after the fact by requesting an interwiki administrator or steward to add a local interwiki prefix for you. I'd just need the source wiki URL. Thank you. Dmehus (talk) 15:23, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * No. (byethost refers to constantnoble.byethost7.com, now already gone as already hinted at; only the backups remain.)
 * Speaking of interwiki linkage...there are a few others I would soon like to add. Among them: foundation for foundation.wikimedia.org, as found in the import for mh:constantnoble:Project:MediaWiki. --Routhwick (talk) 15:33, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Routhwick Ah, okay, that makes sense. Thanks for clarifying! Regarding the  interwiki prefix, we have   in the global interwiki table on Meta. Will that suffice? If you prefer the , let me know, and I can add it locally. Thank you. Dmehus (talk) 18:57, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Definitely! And while we're at it, feel free to add the traditional WMF shortcuts:
 * b (en.wikibooks.org/wiki/$1) (Wikibooks)
 * q (en.wikiquote.org/wiki/$1) (Wikiquote)
 * s (en.wikisource.org/wiki/$1) (Wikisource)
 * as well as:
 * mhm (meta.miraheze.org/wiki/$1) (this very site, which takes the m prefix here on this network--leading to...)
 * wmm (meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/$1) (Wikimedia Meta)
 * rdtr (reddit.com/r/$1) (Reddit subs)
 * rdtu (reddit.com/u/$1) (Reddit userpages)
 * Thanks! --Routhwick (talk) 22:30, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Routhwick Sure thing, no problem! These are now ✅. I've not enabled the transclude flags on any of them, as you (a) didn't request it and (b) in all but one case, the transclude flag was not set globally. Similarly, I've also not set the forward flag as you (a) didn't request it and (b) in most cases, it was also not set globally. You really only need the forward flag set if you want your users to be able to set up hard interwiki redirects (i.e.,, or you want certain bots (i.e., IRC or other bots) to follow your interwiki wikilinks. Also, you may be interested to know that you can request local   permission on your wiki, but it requires holding a local election somewhere on your wiki (i.e., a permissions request page of some sort). After between seven (7) calendar days or so, you then request at stewards' noticeboard for a Steward to assess your local permission request. Note that your account must also meet the local or global prerequisites, as defined here. Dmehus (talk) 22:56, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * One more interwiki request for now: wmphab (phabricator.wikimedia.org/$1), different from Miraheze's. Thanks! --Routhwick (talk) 04:04, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Routhwick ✅. Also, I like that you added custom fonts, weights, and sizes to the section header text on special pages like Special:Interwiki. Looks good! :) Dmehus (talk) 12:00, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * For which you can thank mh:test3:MediaWiki:Common.css on Miraheze Test3.
 * And,
 * Just as I launched a new namespace on my wiki this morning, I just remembered an interwiki that'll go well along with it: species, short for species.wikimedia.org.
 * As for my, voy (en.wikivoyage.org) wouldn't look out of place either.
 * With that, the IW requests of this contributor are ended--for now. --Routhwick (talk) 13:20, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Routhwick ✅ (#1 and #2). Dmehus (talk) 16:45, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks a dozen--and enjoy your 4th of July! --Routhwick (talk) 18:00, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Routhwick Thanks, though for me, my "4th of July" equivalent is July 1, so today, in fact, but I will enjoy it. :) Dmehus (talk) 18:24, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * ...Oops. Just remembered one more thing: species as an IW is ultimately in conflict with the local namespace that got there first, hence its red-linking when I tried it out. (I should've known hours ago!) I know, we all make mistakes sometimes, and I pretty much got carried away during this week's inaugural setup...
 * Anyway, can you please change the species IW into wspc (to match the template I just launched for it)? Dearest apologies. --Routhwick (talk) 18:52, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Routhwick Ah, yes, that's a very good point. An interwiki prefix should not be in conflict with an existing namespace. Incidentally, that is the case on this wiki, with ; however, deleting that prefix would break many links. Thus, in that case, my preference would probably be to change the name of project namespace to something other than "Meta," but that too would be a lot of work, as it'd mean updating all the backlinks to every page in the   namespace. Nevertheless, I digress, your request is now ✅ (#1 and #2). Note for the future, should you ever request and be granted local interwiki administrator on your wiki, while you can change an interwiki prefix's target URL or forward/transclude prefixes, you cannot change the prefix itself; you have to instead delete the prefix and add a new one (hence two log entries). Dmehus (talk) 19:40, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I strongly recommend you become a local interwiki administrator if you believe you will need more interwiki links in the future. Like that, you can set as many to your heart contents and it'll be quicker than waiting for a global interwiki administrator to set them. Agent Isai (talk) 15:03, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, definitely could be helpful down the road. Unfortunately, currently, Routhwick doesn't meet either the global (1,000 global edits and a minimum of two months account age) or local prerequisites (500 local edits and a minimum of two weeks account age). Note that by established convention of Stewards in terms of policy interpretation, one can qualify for local interwiki administrator if they meet the global edit and/or account age requirement(s) because, after all, it wouldn't make sense to prohibit a user from requesting local administrator if they qualify globally. I'm in the process of developing an omnibus interwiki administration RfC, but likely will be delayed to the early fall (early September, likely). Among other things, it would seek to lower the local edit requirement from 500 edits to 100 edits and also require that the user only hold at least, but where they are not a bureaucrat, their local election must be first endorsed by a local bureaucrat prior to a Steward effecting it. Dmehus (talk) 16:22, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Blogs?
We could use blogs for wiki discovery, throwing it out there. Sperosdurell (talk) 15:39, 30 June 2021 (UTC)


 * , but I don’t feel like it’s needed. —Bu <span style="color:orange;background:-webkit-linear-gradient(0deg,#F83A0C,#FF6347);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent">kk <span style="color:orange;background:-webkit-linear-gradient(0deg,#FFD228,#FED057);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent">it 21:32, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Agree, but let's not completely rule it out. Maybe a admin should know about this. Iron Sword 23 (talk) 21:45, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * What is the function that proper use/advertising/improvement of the Gazetteer of wikis would not serve in its place? I do think there's a gap as far as 'timely' request for contribution to contents, or as far as advertising wikis that have an active desire to get new stuff now vs wikis that are technically active but stagnant in the aforementioned link. --Raidarr (talk) 22:33, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Vote? Sperosdurell (talk) 18:24, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * No, not necessary. Dmehus (talk) 02:29, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, sorry. Sperosdurell (talk) 02:33, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * No problem. It's just a vague idea, not really clear on what the idea is. Dmehus (talk) 02:35, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Monobook Dark Mode without extension
Probably a little confusing question but pretty simple. I want to make Monobook dark mode on default so i can use stuff like lower opacity plus the extension reacts lowkey broken with the skin. I already tried multiple attempts like changing colors, manually putting in the code that the Dark Mode extension executes and more. Sadly no success the overall theme always stayed light/white. In case its impossible thats okay but i would like to know before i spend more and more hours into something that is impossible lol. Smashidachi (talk) 10:13, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * In this case a link may help so we see what you're attempting within the CSS and where. Manually setting colors may not be an elegant solution if you want it swappable, but there's no reason it can't apply to everyone unless you are doing it to a personal CSS only by accident or something is off when you're attempting it on the 'global' CSS for users. Either common.css or the skin specific CSS should work just fine, in both cases ensuring it's for the wiki as a whole (ie, not doing it within the preferences page). --Raidarr (talk) 13:51, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I did it within the Common.css and later on switched to the Monobook.css so it doesn't do problems on other skins. I also don't really want it to be swappable. I can't share a link currently since my wiki is still on private for preparation but this is how Monobook.css is looking right now:
 * /* All CSS here will be loaded for users of the MonoBook skin */
 * body {
 * background-color: #00003f;
 * background-image: url("<link to a file on the wiki>");
 * background-repeat: no-repeat;
 * background-attachment: fixed;
 * background-position: top;
 * opacity: 0.95;
 * }
 * Originally i also had "color: #00003f" in it but it apparently had no effect. Oh also Common.css is holding the same Common.css as Miraheze's Template wiki not sure if that maybe is related? Smashidachi (talk) 14:16, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I have pasted your CSS into a test user skin + the Common file and the background does what it should. Naturally however, the body alone cannot control most of the elements on the wiki. This is where my response forks:
 * If it's no response at all, ensure you are applying to MediaWiki:Common.css. Preview should show you something, something is wrong if you do not get immediate feedback.
 * If it's a piecemeal success then I'm afraid it's a game of element select whack-a-mole. I did use both body and #column-one to get a more complete background job. The opacity (not sure why it's on the very back of the page) causes weird background behavior.
 * Please advise as to where this leads; for posterity, CSS sections in plain text should probably go to a pastebin link or other 'linkable' object to avoid making this page too long with such things. Good luck! --Raidarr (talk) 10:44, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay. I was honestly not aware that the preview button allows you to see the changes. I thought its like with articles where you just see how the end results of the text looks. Really would have made everything easier ^^". Smashidachi (talk) 11:12, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Update: Yep, doing it with Previewing it works a lot better in fact. Thanks for informing about this I am still pretty new to this lol Smashidachi (talk) 11:21, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Excellent; no trouble at all. Is it all working out, then? --Raidarr (talk) 12:41, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * More or less. It's fully working but obviously there are a few bugs. But clearly I was fully helped with my issue. Smashidachi (talk) 15:15, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Grand Theft Auto
Is there one? If not I can't request right now so requesting it for someone to create. Thanks. Sperosdurell (talk) 15:01, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Grand theft Auto wiki Sperosdurell (talk) 15:02, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * From the looks of it, there is not, however, why can't you currently request one? Agent Isai (talk) 15:17, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I already have requested tons... Sorry. Sperosdurell (talk) 15:21, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Really, there's no limit per se of wikis you can request, however, wiki creators will attempt to assess whether you can maintain all your wikis or not. Even if someone else creates it for you, you should determine whether you can maintain all your wikis. If you can, then I see no reason why you can't request another. Agent Isai (talk) 15:51, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Well Doug might say different, I been blocked before under another username. Apologies. Sperosdurell (talk) 15:56, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I have various wikis on Miraheze, some of them have even been approved by Doug himself. I think what really matters to the wiki creators is whether or not you can maintain the wiki. However, if you've previously been blocked under a different username, I suggest you appeal the block and try to get unbanned as making an additional account is considered ban evasion and could lead to a more severe ban. Agent Isai (talk) 16:54, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I told Doug who I was. Sperosdurell (talk) 16:59, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Agent Isai Yeah, I suspected Sperosdurell was Hrvcfr based on the overwhelming behavioural evidence, and they confirmed recently that they were indeed the same user. Fortunately, Hrvcfr's editing restriction on Meta Wiki had lapsed as they were improving. Sperosdurell has requested a number of recent wikis, including an adoption request, so while I'm still satisfied of their improvement, I would just remind them that it doesn't make sense to try and run and build, say, a dozen or more wikis with few edits on each as they will invariably wind up going dormant according to Dormancy Policy and to being eventually deleted. Dmehus (talk) 16:32, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry for not editing enough. Sperosdurell (talk) 11:25, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * If I may attempt constructive criticism, I think the problem is less 'not editing enough' so much as creating, lightly advertising, but not committing to a large handful of broadly-scoped wikis that already have editing audiences and scale outside Miraheze. Especially if you're going into already taken territory, it's prudent to come in with a plan. Anyone can be an editor, but a creator/bureaucrat (anyone can be that too of course) implies a level of vision for a wiki's growth beyond making a shell, a page or two and the rest just being dormant. A single editor cannot fully build a ton of wikis on their own, and at the very least looking at structure building would help give people a place to start if they happen upon the wiki but only see 1-2 pages made without more apparent thought into its growth. So perhaps focus on the ones you have, get someone on your team to help develop and design them, and ensure the wikis not just exist, but have a future. --Raidarr (talk) 12:34, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Raidarr. ^ to be honest. Sperosdurell, perhaps you may also want to review the similar advice I gave you at the user talk page of your former account. Dmehus (talk) 14:40, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Outlook.com email delivery
Hi all,

MediaWiki Engineering are aware of issues with the delivery of emails to outlook.com - If you are affected, please be patient. We will work on a solution soon to allow affected users to confirm manually or change their emails if we do not get anywhere with Outlook support or log searching.

In the meantime, please avoid creating accounts with outlook/hotmail/other Microsoft/office related service as we can not guarantee it will work.

Thanks ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  14:00, 1 July 2021 (UTC)


 * So this isn't really a new issue, but as far as I'm aware, has been resolved. Are you saying the issue has reoccurred, and that is the issue now? If so, what's the cause? As far as I know, Microsoft had whitelisted our domain on the given OVH IPs identified in spam blacklists. Dmehus (talk) 16:51, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * It's reoccurred. We're not showing as blocked and according to outlook so far they have no idea but I can send email fine if I reply to an existing thread just not new emails to outlook. Seems a very strange issue but so far very little indication on why. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  16:56, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks for the update. Is there a new Phabricator ticket opened, or have we reopened an existing ticket, that we can link here? Dmehus (talk) 17:36, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * T7573 ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  17:50, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * These issues are supposed to resolve within the next ~48 hours. I am still seeing them at the moment and I can't really see any useful stats from outlook in their portal. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  11:47, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Donkey Hodie wiki
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 * Out of scope. Dmehus (talk) 22:17, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Anyone willing to help me on this? PBS kids show. If interested leave a message. Thanks. Sperosdurell (talk) 15:22, 4 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Fandom won't even let me create it. So??? Sperosdurell (talk) 16:09, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, now I'm completely confused as this is Miraheze. I'd suggest posting this question here. Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 16:16, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Forget it, I'm sorry I'm mad at Fandom. Apologies. Sperosdurell (talk) 16:45, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, no problem. Dmehus (talk) 22:17, 4 July 2021 (UTC)


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Contributing
Do I just wait for contributions? I have like 2 people but no new editing? Thanks. Sperosdurell (talk) 22:37, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Sperosdurell As I explained to you and (Iron Sword 23 also) previously, English Wikipedia fork wikis generally do not well because, well, they're a dime a dozen (that is to say, very plentiful). Plus, users can simply edit the more trafficked English Wikipedia, or they can request their own wiki. If you want to edit a wiki, you have to be prepared to edit your wiki as a solitary activity (that is to say, by yourself). Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 23:32, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * For posterity, there are two key ways you can develop contributions. One is advertising to the right people. Ie, both of my premises have audiences I can pitch to when I have the need for outside support in content. These are not Miraheze users and only a small fraction from each would ever edit, but a few is naturally better than 0. If you're serious about a project, have a few places like this on your shortlist that can be approached. Secondly, structure. Having a good volume of stuff to start with, even as a shell so people can drop in and work. This can include categories, a measured list of stub pages to 'give the idea' of a plan, an actual written out plan of action, and/or a subcommunity nexus (such as a Discord server) to informally build some comradery. I'm probably going to make a little essay on the subject since there's quite a lot more... then try to follow it myself with mixed success. --Raidarr (talk) 11:02, 5 July 2021 (UTC)