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Discussion: Central notice changes
This is for the sake of having an open discussion on the changes proposed in this RfC, though I won't really touch much on the last proposal that was added by another person (of course, you're welcome to talk about that as well nonetheless). Hopefully this comment will at least make it clear what the proposals I brought up are intended to mean. Also, please ask nicely if you would like clarity on anything at all.

The first one to discuss is the following:

Central notices with the purpose of soliciting participation from wiki communities for an event or a discussion should last while that event or discussion is open for people to participate. As in, the central notice would only be removed after the event or discussion has closed.

Let's start by saying that this is not changing what a central notice is made for. It's not saying that every discussion gets a central notice, what it's saying applies in the instance when the people who make central notices decide that a discussion will get a central notice, which is still at their judgement. This talk page comment might show some insight on what such judgement it is, which again they would still retain. What changes is specifically the duration of such particular central notices, in that it would be in relation to the discussion that it would be notifying of.

The discussions being referred to can be gleaned from Special:CentralNotice (click "Show archived campaigns" to see the older ones). It is what is meant to gather people to provide their input and feedback, and this description fits, for example, Requests for Comment or Requests for Stewardship. And if they have yet to be closed by the closer, then the closer presumably decided that it needs more time to gather more comments before a conclusion can be drawn. If so, the methods used to notify of the discussion's existence should get continued use to gather more discussion from people.

Another proposal to discuss is the following:

A campaign type can be set for central notice campaigns, allowing users to opt out of specific campaign types in their preferences, specifically in the "Banners" section. Here is a proposal for what campaign types Miraheze should use:
 * Fundraising
 * Surveys
 * Maintenance
 * Requests for Comment
 * Requests for Stewardship
 * Requests for Community Director

To make it clear how to use preferences to opt-out of campaign types, some text instructing people how to do so should be added to central notices.

In technical terms, campaign types are configured with $wgCentralNoticeCampaignTypes in LocalSettings.php.

This can presumably work with ManageWiki to apply for a whole wiki. To sysadmins, this would presumably be done by using a custom variable to set $wgDefaultUserOptions['centralnotice-display-campaign-type-whatever'] = 0.

Now, in regards to how to decide on the campaign types to be used, I'd say that having the communities' consensus is still relevant, in the case of disputes over what should be grouped together or partitioned. And the RfC does show a dispute over whether Requests for Global Sysop should be included, excluded, or grouped with another type. So it would at least be useful to have some sort of discussion with wiki communities to figure out what's best.

In response to other comments in the RfC: Including Requests for Global Sysop in the list of campaign types does not mean that every single one of that request gets a central notice, it is meant to mean that a RfGS would be allowed to get a central notice, which would still have the judgement of the people who make central notices to actually get one. And people should be able to decide for themselves if they want to opt out of seeing certain central notices, and I figure that if someone desires a tool to stop seeing a certain kind of notification, they likely aren't interested in what's being notified about in the first place. Finally, it was concluded in this RfC that there is consensus for community-oriented posts to be posted on Miraheze's social media accounts, therefore a community-elected role would be appropriate.

Feel free to say your thoughts on any of these topics. K599 (talk) 15:29, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * And will there be a way to disable CNotice for some, and leave only fundraising? YellowFrogger (✉ Talk  ✐ Edits ) 15:33, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @YellowFrogger As said in the explanation of how campaign types work, people should be able to go into their preferences and opt-out of the types that they don't want to see. K599 (talk) 16:27, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * But there has to be an option to hide it across the whole wiki (not just in preferences), but yes, all visitors to a particular wiki would be better. Nobody is obligated to see CNotice either, so it had to have that. Showing only CNotice for fundraising, which is important for Miraheze to maintain the wikis maintenance, the others don't matter (or only matter in Meta). YellowFrogger (✉ Talk  ✐ Edits ) 19:59, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @YellowFrogger I mentioned above that there's presumably a way to make campaign types work with ManageWiki, though I suppose a sysadmin should comment on the method I talked about. K599 (talk) 20:19, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note that the list of campaign types proposed in my initial comment is based on past central notices as seen on Special:CentralNotice. Of course, feel free to discuss any desired changes to the list. K599 (talk) 03:04, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * For some added context, the banner preferences can be seen in Special:Preferences, where it's currently the extension's defaults. These options have been unused probably due to being unrelated to Miraheze. K599 (talk) 03:46, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * This talk page discussion has a review of the proposed list of campaign types. In response:
 * Okay, but I would prefer that "Community Notices" have a page that explains what would fall under this label. Then this page would be linked, if possible, from the related user preference and, if implemented, the related ManageWiki setting proposed in the community wishlist proposal. K599 (talk) 01:29, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I think it'd be useful to consider above suggestions like the instructions thing as well. K599 (talk) 03:25, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Finding a conclusion on campaign types
It would be good to at least have some course of action that outlines whether or not this wikifarm will make use of campaign types, and what those campaign types will be. K599 (talk) 03:51, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * There was a talk page discussion that reviewed a list of campaign types, but it seems that no sort of action has been concretely decided on.
 * Reiterating what's been explained before, campaign types refers to Special:Preferences, a user preference that is used to choose what types of central notices to have displayed for your own account.
 * Currently, as can be seen by checking your preferences, the configured campaign types don't particularly reflect how Miraheze uses central notices (see Special:CentralNotice). Hence the suggestion above for a more appropriate list of campaign types. The description for the preference also makes reference to Wikimedia rather than this wikifarm, which probably confuses people.
 * This community wishlist proposal would also need campaign types to be configured to be useful. I'll also note the suggestion of using ManageWiki on a custom variable to set $wgDefaultUserOptions['centralnotice-display-campaign-type-whatever'] = 0.
 * If campaign types do get properly configured and used, it would be helpful to take the suggestion of including some text in central notices that instructs people how to use the user preference and ManageWiki setting, to make it clear that the banner isn't forced to appear.


 * I still want some sort of concrete conclusion on this, as I do think this would be helpful to people. K599 (talk) 23:03, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd still like a resolution on this. It would be a useful feature for allowing individual control over what notices are shown to people. K599 (talk) 22:35, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Additional suggestion: Make a page detailing CentralNotice
I would still like a response to the above section on campaign types, and also have another suggestion to make.

If campaign types come into use, a page that details central notices, mainly the campaign types as stated before, would help people understand what these notices are for. Some other info, like what Wikimedia's pages cover, would likely also be a bit helpful. And to allow people to easily find such a page, it should at least be linked from user preferences and any ManageWiki settings related to central notices. K599 (talk) 01:16, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Should there be a Miraheze Incubator wiki?
Recently, I submitted a wiki request (#23213), which got declined for two reasons:
 * 1) The wiki creator who declined the request suggested running a community discussion on it, because it's related to the Miraheze community wikis.
 * 2) The wiki wouldn't be useful in many circumstances.

About the incubator wiki
An incubator wiki would basically be a storage place for users' mini-wikis, similar to Scratchpad on Fandom. Mini-wikis are like wikis, except that they don't have their own subdomain. Mini-wikis would be held indefinitely, unlike Scratchpad. Miraheze needs a wiki like this, because users must request wikis, and requests aren't always approved. This wiki would give users a chance to build up a mini-wiki before they request a wiki.

Benefits of an incubator wiki

 * 1) It would give users a place to build up a mini-wiki before making it a full wiki.
 * 2) Users wouldn't need to request for a mini-wiki.
 * 3) Users can create content without worrying about templates/modules. (Suggested by Arcversin)

Downsides of an incubator wiki

 * 1) Because users wouldn't need to request for a mini-wiki, there could be some Content Policy-violating mini-wikis. However, this problem could be solved by having a page for reporting mini-wikis. Alternatively, mini-wikis could be requested, but that would defeat the purpose of the wiki.

Vote
This section is for voting on the discussion. When voting, please state why you cast your vote (if you vote oppose, for example, give a reason for voting oppose). Tali64³ (talk) 18:46, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1)  as a substantial, if not an entire, duplication of ,  , and more narrowly focused incubation wikis (i.e., Uncyclomedia Incubator, etc.). If you require any permissions to assist with those wikis, you can request permissions locally. Nonetheless, the proponent is thanked for starting the discussion. Dmehus (talk) 18:59, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Comments
As I mentioned in the request, I don't know of any circumstances where having created a "mini-wiki" would have an affect on whether a wiki request would get approved, so I don't see much of a use in that case. However, I do see a very good use case for mini-wikis, creating an environment for users to create content without having to worry about importing templates/modules and making them work. This&mdash;in a more limited fashion&mdash;was actually the use case for my essentially moribund althistorywiki that never really got off the ground (even made a template importing bot for it). — Arcversin (talk) 18:57, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I see that you've had scratchpadwiki reopened, would you like you like to close this request? — Arcversin (talk) 19:31, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I think I'll leave it open and see what the rest of the community thinks. Tali64³ (talk) 19:35, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, let me know what you decide. I'm happy to have you be involved with  as well, and am sure Hypercane would be as well. Dmehus (talk) 19:36, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I would indeed be happy to have them be involved with the Scratchpad Wiki. It would also be a bit less lonely as well now. Hypercane  <font color="#8152C6">(  talk <font color="#8152C6">) 19:46, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Oh dear, the same ides appears. I had a suggestion with the nearly same content, but that receive a lot of disapproval.--Emojiwiki (talk) 23:20, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Efn Issue
I've have this template on my wiki that is one of which that provide notes, but something does not feel right with it; for better explaination, here's what it should be:



And here's what I get instead:



In other words, how do I get rid of "lowe-alpha" when using that Efn template? I've transcluded all of the subtemplates needed for it, all to no avail. Is there any solution to it? Thanks in advance! ManiacACS (talk) 06:46, 1 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Does this fix it? <span style="display:inline-block;border:2px solid #bfff00;border-radius:8px;background-image:linear-gradient(to bottom right, #75ff75, #ffff80)"> Anpang 📨 07:03, 1 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Bareley. The result was this:



It doesn't show the note on the list, and the abridged note doens't show "a" or "b" as it normally would on Wikipedia.--ManiacACS (talk) 07:16, 1 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I believe you need to edit MediaWiki pages to create the group.
 * You should add this text to the page  https://altcyclopedia.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Cite_link_label_group-lower-alpha :
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 * You can also create other custom groups. The ones you already have in the template are (the code can be copied from Wikipedia):
 * upper-alpha (A, B, C, D, E...)
 * lower-roman (i, ii, iii, iv, v...)
 * upper-roman (I, II, III, IV, V...)
 * lower-greek (α, β, γ, δ, ε...)
 * note, which by default will display note 1, note 2, etc.
 * But I believe you can name these groups anything and make as many as you want.
 * To use these, you just need to use  in the reference (which you have already). This works for any groups you create.
 * To include only these references in the reflist at the end of a page, simply use the same code:  (or whatever template you use). This will work for the same groups as in the Efn template by default, and any extras my adding the group name.
 * If you need any more help, I've dealt with this before so should be able to fill you in. <3 Pigeon43 (talk) 15:33, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
 * If you need any more help, I've dealt with this before so should be able to fill you in. <3 Pigeon43 (talk) 15:33, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
 * If you need any more help, I've dealt with this before so should be able to fill you in. <3 Pigeon43 (talk) 15:33, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Creating a bot
I've been trying to create a bot and use AutoWikiBrowser to mass edit pages on my private wiki, but I'm stuck and really confused. Like REALLY confused. I've checked Wikipedia documentation, MediaWiki documentation, and elsewhere online but I haven't gotten any further.

My username: Pigeon43 Bot username: Pigeon43@Pigeon43_bot

What I've done
 * I think I made a 'bot account' (maybe)
 * I've used Special:BotPasswords to create a password for it
 * I've downloaded AutoWikiBrowser and typed my wiki name

What I need help with
 * When I try and login, it says I need a POST request
 * I can't find any help on this part in particular, and I have no idea how to progress further
 * I tried using api.php (to get the token and login with "action=login" with the name, password, and token), as suggested by Wikipedia, but it still says it needs a POST request

Any help would be greatly appreciated! <3 Pigeon43 (talk) 15:10, 1 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I believe this is usually due to an issue with not using an encrypted connection. Have you made sure the URL you put into AWB starts in an  and not  ?  Agent Isai  Talk to me! 01:13, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

$wgModerationNotificationEnable
Where can I change $wgModerationNotificationEnable and $wgModerationEmail of the Moderation extension? 沈澄心 (talk) 10:14, 2 March 2022 (UTC) You'll need to make a request on Phabricator. — Arcversin (talk) 15:09, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

error when trying to upload music (in .ogg)
first, in the morning it was working, i was able to upload some .ogg files without problem.

but now, suddently, it says "[1ff3990555716a8e052e6a09] Exception interceptée de type Error" (in french)

but i noticed it is not always the same characters, they are always changing.

i just tried again and now it's "[793500edfc9d838907d28791]"...

and sometimes it says "[b3663e4e7c2102f811bdeb79] 2022-03-02 14:29:42: Erreur fatale de type « Error »" ... (still random numbers)

i tried to upload some picture and it works for it, i tried to upload some pdf over 3mb and it seems to work for it too... and i uploaded a mp4 file and it works too! ah and it does the same for mp3 files too.. and maybe it comes from there because the first time i tried to upload a file in mp3 format, it did that error;; maybe i should disable dthe mp3 format.. dunno

it seems to be only for music files (or at least ogg and mp3 files;; i tried to unnallow mp3 files and it still does the error..)

Brbrbr1mill (talk) 14:21, 2 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi there, apologies for the issue. This is due to an upstream bug with EmbedVideo. Try disabling it in Special:ManageWiki/extensions and you should be able to upload files once more. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 14:39, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
 * nno.. it was already disabled.. i think i enebled it once;..
 * and; i just restored all default parameters and its still exactly the same.... Brbrbr1mill (talk) 16:15, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
 * ok it was still enabled by default (i didnt do it in the ManageWiki/extensions but in the complementary parameters... but, it still.. doesnt work
 * it is just like if it has been freezed... from the roots or something... maybe you could reset all parameters from the wiki from outside or somthing.. i dont know.. because it worked before... its just strange.
 * Brbrbr1mill (talk) 16:18, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
 * ok i disabled timemediahandler and it works again...
 * i will see how to manage it if i want to show it in window or something Brbrbr1mill (talk) 16:23, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
 * i will see how to manage it if i want to show it in window or something Brbrbr1mill (talk) 16:23, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Question
Recently a user violated a global policy. Where should I report it?


 * If the user violated the Terms of Use, please email ts@undefinedmiraheze.org. If they violated any other global policy, please email stewards@undefinedmiraheze.org. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 19:42, 4 March 2022 (UTC)


 * It is in Uw-harass. This mean I should email stewards@undefinedmiraheze.org, not ts@undefinedmiraheze.org. Is that right?
 * If it's harrasment then yes, you can email stewards@undefinedmiraheze.org or you can report it on the Stewards' noticeboard Agent Isai  Talk to me! 01:04, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
 * But when I publicly report that person on other platforms (communities), that person always says that the report is invalid. So I should send an email, right?
 * Also, in what email format should I report it?
 * All that is needed on your email report is the name of the user, your username, and as much evidence as possible of what the user is being accused of. Reports which lack on-wiki evidence may be dismissed so it is vital that you link as much on-wiki evidence as possible and explain what Stewards should be looking at (i.e. if you link to a big discussion, point Stewards to a certain section where the user said a certain comment, etc.). Agent Isai  Talk to me! 01:44, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The people who'll handle it on the Stewards' noticeboard are the exact same ones who'd handle it via email, that is, the Stewards. We're not like other platforms that have one set of staff that reply publicly and another which only work via email but in the end, this is all up to your personal choice and discretion. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 01:41, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Will the request in the following format be accepted, also, request in the following formats will not be dismissed/overruled?
 * My name: xxx


 * Username(s) which violated (a) global policy(policies): xxx
 * Wiki(s): xxx (Database name xxx)
 * Violated page(s): xxx, xxx
 * Proof by other email(s): xxx
 * Other proof(s): xxx
 * I can't guarantee it won't be dismissed for lack of merit as I haven't seen the contents of the report but I can assure you that that format is rather solid and your email won't be dismissed for having a messy format. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 02:06, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, I will report it.
 * OK, I will report it.

Private Wiki SSO
I'm working on a Wiki which helps students use facilities at the college where I work, and I am hoping to make this Wiki private to students and staff since it contains information that someone malicious may be able to use to hijack us. However, creating a user for every single student and staff member at the school in order to see this Wiki is not something that I would be able to do. I am hoping that I could somehow integrate Google SSO to the Wiki so that people can sign in just using their .edu account, but I have no clue to begin. I was wondering if this is even possible or if anyone here has tackled a similar issue with their wiki? Loving Miraheze so far! Tacstudios (talk) 19:13, 4 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi there. Unfortunately, integration with Google is not available due to the fact that all accounts are global (that is, they work across all Miraheze wikis). Agent Isai  Talk to me! 19:41, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Can I ask why you can't create accounts?
 * We can help with bulk creating if that's useful. ~ RhinosF1 - (chat)· acc· c -  19:47, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Interwiki request
Hello, I want to add some interwiki prefixes to my wiki(scpsharp).

They are:

Thanks.

--XtexChooser (talk) 15:34, 5 March 2022 (UTC)


 * XtexChooser, this should be ✅ now, with apologies for the very modest delay. If you will have need to add additional interwiki prefix configurations, did you know that you can hold a local election for local, then after about five (5) to seven (7) calendar days have elapsed, reach out to any Steward, to request that the permission be added to your account on that wiki. :) Dmehus (talk) 03:17, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I got it! XtexChooser (talk) 03:43, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
 * No problem! :) Dmehus (talk) 03:50, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Follow-up: About the reCaptcha issue in mainland China
Last month 沈澄心 mentioned the reCaptcha issue that exists in some regions. I have investigated into it, and found:
 * The website uses  instead of   to load reCaptcha. However, not all regions are where Google provides service. So I suggest loading   directly, which has no region limits.
 * Also, in the https://www.recaptcha.com/recaptcha/api.js, not all regions use . For example, in mainland China,   is used instead, which is not in the Content Security Policy and will be refused to load in some browsers.

Besides, even if recaptcha.net and gstatic.com is normally loaded, the recaptcha still does not display, which I haven't found the reason.

The reCaptcha is actually widely used in mainland China, though Google does not provide most of services. So I think a solution to the reCaptcha issue can be found. SolidBlock (talk) 02:41, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
 * "the reCaptcha issue" refers to the issue of using reCAPTCHA at all. Miraheze has a free software commitment, and MediaWiki has an unobtrusive JavaScript commitment. It is inherently obvious as to why requiring running proprietary JavaScript to create an account is above and beyond unacceptable. Naleksuh (talk) 02:51, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry for my poor English, but I would appreciate it if you could repeat it in plain English or something more suitable for machine translation--城市酸儒文人挖坑 (talk) 04:05, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Perhaps we could use third party social media (e.g. Wikipedia, Github, Twitter, QQ) to authorise logins.--城市酸儒文人挖坑 (talk) 03:31, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
 * That would be a non-starter, though good faith and intentioned, idea, primarily because that would bring with it a host of related legal complications, mainly around the General Data Protection Regulation, including the UK's Data Protection Act. Dmehus (talk) 03:39, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
 * In fact, openstreetmap supports third party logins, as does fandom--城市酸儒文人挖坑 (talk) 04:05, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Using reCAPTCHA is also a non-starter, yet it was added anyway, so there is a bit of a paradox there. And people need to evaluate based on its addition, not consensus to remove. And otherwise, any policies have no meaning. Naleksuh (talk) 06:28, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
 * As far as I'm aware, reCAPTCHA was added in Miraheze's early days, when Stewards and wiki creators were appointed by SRE and there was less community-driven decision making. In any case, I don't see the paradox as the proposed third-party authentication mechanism proposed would be blocked by board approval being required, irregardless of whether there was consensus for it. As well, it's not the same thing as a CAPTCHA validation. Dmehus (talk) 06:37, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
 * We used to use  but a bug with CAPTCHA assigning users bad scores while using   versus   caused us to change back to using  . We'll see if there's anything we can do to attempt to fix that and other issues with reCAPTCHA.  Agent Isai  Talk to me! 08:38, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Is there any solution? SolidBlock (talk) 12:03, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

the themes won't load on my wiki
Hi. I recently had my personal Miraheze wiki created. On it, no matter how hard I try, I can't change the theme on the wiki. I even popped on my alt to see if it was a bureaucrat issue, but no, the theme is still the default one.

Help. The Triple Trouble Collective (talk) 08:02, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Please note that enabling a skin is not the same as setting it as the default. With that in mind, did you change the default skin in Special:ManageWiki/settings -> Styling? Agent Isai  Talk to me! 08:52, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
 * ...oh. The Triple Trouble Collective (talk) 09:43, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Upcoming extension changes in preparation for MediaWiki 1.38
It's that time of year again, Miraheze is getting ready to upgrade to the latest version of MediaWiki, MediaWiki 1.38 (scheduled to be released later this Spring, 2022)! In anticipation for that, SRE would like to communicate a few extension changes that will occur shortly before we migrate to MediaWiki 1.38. Communities using these extensions will be notified via a sitenotice and will be advised on what they can do.


 * AddThis will be removed - While this won't be because of version incompatibilities, we do plan to remove it once we upgrade to MediaWiki 1.38. Miraheze respects it's users privacy and as such, we review all entries in our Content Security Policy to ensure that only secure websites with a good data handling approach are allowed to be loaded on Miraheze. While reviewing the entry for  (used by the extension), we were made uneasy by AddThis' data collection of non-EU users. As such, we must discontinue the extension in order to ensure user privacy. SRE hopes to potentially develop a privacy-friendly alternative very soon and will alert users to this potential alternative should it become available soon.
 * MagicNumberedHeadings may be removed - A change in MediaWiki code will cause this extension to no longer work on MediaWiki 1.38. Alternatives are being explored but it is very likely that the extension will be removed due to incompatibility with no replacement available.
 * Tabber will be removed - Tabber is in the process of being discontinued per T271418 (Wikimedia Phabricator) and is already marked as archived on MediaWiki.org. As such, we will have to drop remove it when upgrading to MediaWiki 1.38. Alternatives to the Tabber extension include TabberNeue which offers a sleek new UI and is a drop-in replacement for the original Tabber (meaning no code changes are needed to existing tabs!). We encourage users to migrate beforehand in order to have everything ready by the time we upgrade to MediaWiki 1.38.
 * $wgUseCategoryBrowser will be replaced by CategoryExplorer - A recent change in MediaWiki core code (T298553) removed $wgUseCategoryBrowser from the MediaWiki core and moved it into a new extension. Users of the setting will be migrated over automatically where possible and no real complication should arise from this.

We may update this list as more things pop up and will also continue to notify the community of changes we are making in preparation for MediaWiki 1.38. If you have any questions, please reply to this thread. Thanks! Agent Isai Talk to me! 07:30, 7 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Agent Isai, why is the AddThis extension being removed ostensibly per Content Security Policy concerns? I reminded your supervisor, Reception123, that the Trust and Safety reviewed the extension's privacy policies extensively, and they were satisfied with removing a related subdomain but leaving the  domain. When I reminded him of this, he had forgotten about that, and the indication I got from him was that he was satisfied that the extension could remain on Miraheze, at least until a functional replacement is developed, thoroughly tested, and deployed. In other words, because of that and because there's no incompatibility with MediaWiki, there's no urgency, and I believe it is vague and a bit lacking in transparency to suggest to the community that SRE was "uneasy" about data collection of non-EU users, without going into specifics. As such, I strongly urge you to strike the first bullet point from your notice. Nonetheless, I realize that is not your call unilaterally to make, so I will speak with Reception123 privately regarding this, as this would be within his scope/purview. Dmehus (talk) 04:59, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Agent Isai Based on my conversations with Reception123 on IRC, it sounds like my proposed compromise on Phabricator task #T7876 was indeed Reception123's intention, such that AddThis would not be removed in tandem with the MediaWiki 1.38 upgrade completion, but rather removed at a time shortly after, but not before, the proposed and in development comparable replacement extension has been finalized, tested, and deployed. This could be, in theory, before or after the MediaWiki 1.38 upgrade. This, I think, would be an acceptable compromise to the community. In this case, all that would need effecting would be striking out only a small portion of your first bullet point and inserting correcting text to make this clear in your notification. Thanks so much! :) Dmehus (talk) 06:25, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

How do I fix dis
When I tried to import a template, it said that in order for it to work, I would need a page for the template. How do I fix this? The Triple Trouble Collective (talk) 19:10, 7 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Can you paste the full error or link to the broken page? Agent Isai  Talk to me! 19:13, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Here's what the preview looks like:
 * [insert info that isn't relevent] Template:Infobox(in red) The Triple Trouble Collective (talk) 19:29, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Where are you importing this from? Agent Isai  Talk to me! 19:31, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I am importing the template from the Templates Miraheze. The Triple Trouble Collective (talk) 20:24, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
 * ah The Triple Trouble Collective (talk) 19:21, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

what is the trust and safety team
what is trust and safety team and what do they do Water eater120 (talk) 17:43, 8 March 2022 (UTC)


 * The Trust and Safety team enforces the Terms of Service, locking users who violate. They also do privacy related actions, such as removing PII from users. -- Cheers, Bukkit(Public) ( Talk • Contribs ) 17:50, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
 * how many members are there Water eater120 (talk) 17:51, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Currently, there are only 2 members: and Owen. Their role accounts can be found from their userpages linked here. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 23:34, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
 * For transparency and reference, this thread was created by a sockpuppet of a locked user. --Raidarr (talk) 23:45, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

A few questions about the Dormancy Policy
I have a few questions about the Dormancy Policy, or more specifically how it is determined to be inactive/closed. First off, what exactly counts as "activity". Since the notice says "edits and log entries", and the page here says "everything in recent changes", idk which one specifically it is. And do renames count, since I have seen multiple user renames which appear in recent changes yet do not seem to affect wiki activity. Also, despite what the Dormancy Policy says about wiki deletions, it often takes longer than six months for a closed wiki to be deleted, so why is that? Blubabluba9990 (talk) 17:52, 9 March 2022 (UTC) Blubabluba9990 (talk) 17:52, 9 March 2022 (UTC)


 * As long as an edit is made to the wiki(not global changes like renames), activity will be recorded. SoyokoAnis  17:54, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Indeed, everything seen in the recent changes (excluding renames, those do not factor in) is counted as activity. Regarding wiki deletions, at 6 months, wikis are eligible to be deleted but are generally not deleted and dropped until a bit later when a systems administrator runs a deletion script. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 17:58, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 17:59, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

VisualEditor
VisualEditor is not working even though I turned on. Airtransat236 (talk) 19:18, 9 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Can you describe the issue in detail? What exactly are you encountering? Agent Isai  Talk to me! 19:25, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Well I click edit and it's redirects me to source editor Airtransat236 (talk) 19:28, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * @Airtransat236 What is your wiki? --  Joseph  TB  CT  CA   21:21, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I will close the wiki because it's hard to edit :( Airtransat236 (talk) 23:40, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * roblox1000norl

Interwiki link
Why can't a bureaucrat edit Interwiki links? Are there any security issues? খাত্তাব হাসান (talk) 11:15, 10 March 2022 (UTC)


 * According to the penalty for adding a malicious link to the interwiki table, it is limited to only Interwiki Administrators (Local/Global) because adding malicious links to a wiki's interwiki table could cause the wiki harm. Although at this time, you can perform a local election on your wiki, to become a local interwiki administrator, the conditions are stated in this section. --  Joseph  TB  CT  CA   12:59, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Change the previewed items
Hi, Could someone explain to me how not to include the previewed items like on the Mario Encyclopedia When you hover over the link, you only see the text, not the templates. I know it has something to do with WikiSEO, but if someone could explain me in detail the steps, it would be very nice. Darkrai18 (talk) 18:17, 12 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I think you're talking about the Extension:Popups, you will have to disable it on your wikis Special:ManageWiki/extensions. And just a heads up, the behaviour has nothing to do with Extension:WikiSEO.
 * Hope that helps. --  Joseph  TB  CT  CA   18:30, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah, that's what I was told. Darkrai18 (talk) 18:55, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
 * But if I do this, I won't have the preview? That's not what I want. Darkrai18 (talk) 18:58, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
 * where's the link to your wiki? --  Joseph  TB  CT  CA   19:49, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
 * https://fiction.miraheze.org/wiki/ Darkrai18 (talk) 21:39, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
 * So now, what do you want? --  Joseph  TB  CT  CA   22:05, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
 * When you hover over the link, you only see the text, not the templates
 * - could you explain what you mean by templates? --  Joseph  TB  CT  CA   22:08, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Check out this page: https://www.mariowiki.com/Mario When you hover on a link (for example Luigi), the Quote and About templates are not included in the preview. Darkrai18 (talk) 22:23, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Welp, that's how the extension is expected to work, it gets a clean text Powered by the Extension:TextExtracts and gets an image from the page (mostly the first image) Powered by the Extension:PageImages and that's it. --  Joseph  TB  CT  CA   22:38, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
 * But this is not the case, in fact. What changes should I make? Darkrai18 (talk) 22:42, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
 * It is literally impossible, I don't think it even makes sense to display the quotes and about template from popups, it is not possible. Unless technically, which I am also sure it won't be possible. --  Joseph  TB  CT  CA   23:00, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
 * However, Mario Encyclopedia did it... Strange. I hope to have other opinions. Thanks for your help. Darkrai18 (talk) 23:05, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
 * where is a link mario encyclopedia? --  Joseph  TB  CT  CA   23:07, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I posted a link to the Mario page above. I'm reposting a link for you: https://www.mariowiki.com/ Darkrai18 (talk) 10:39, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Although preview works well on the link you sent, however, I couldn't find a page that the Popups extension did a preview of the quote and/or about template. --  Joseph  TB  CT  CA   11:51, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * For example, this Luigi page inside the Mario page, the Luigi page has quote and templates, but when previewing it from the Mario page, those didn't show, In fact, the only thing that popped up was the LEAD section of the page (the page intro, or first paragraph) and the Image inside the about template.
 * This is all I can see and this is how it is expected to work. --  Joseph  TB  CT  CA   11:54, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, I want the same result as them, but it is not the case and I do not know why. Darkrai18 (talk) 12:08, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

I need some help
I've been told that you merge wikis with Special:Export, however I'm a bit confused about it. How do I export all pages in all namespaces (except for ones you can't edit like Special pages) at once? FatBurn0000 (sandbox | CentralAuth) 23:21, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Reflection on the AnimalScam/Animal Rights Database administration controversy
Ok, so if anyone remembers, I proposed an Animal Rights Database, because the PETA page was removed from the Rotten Websites Wiki. I then proposed a new wiki for this stuff. It would feature opposers and supporters and facts on why they are good or bad, in the style of the Real Life Villains Wiki.

You made an exception for Real Life Villains Wiki, but why not mine?

I will also need people to revise and look at the original proposal request. I am sorry for wasting your time, so thanks for listening, if you even do. jrStudios (talk) 15:54, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * You sound quite agitated, I would suggest you do not get riled up over nothing. Please link your wiki request and I or another wiki creator will review it. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 16:20, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

FatBurn0000 (sandbox | CentralAuth) 20:56, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) Why can't the PETA page just stay on HCW?
 * 2) RLVW is not an exception. It depends on the case whether or not a wiki violates the content policy. RLVW is an encyclopedia, not a wiki that's spreading hate, therefore it's not a CP violation.


 * Well well well. The original AnimalScam program was SUPPOSED to be in the same fashion 2600:1700:7490:35D0:F4AC:425:492A:4ECD 21:38, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Questions about wiki customization
I was told this is the right place to go if I have any questions about anything. So, I don't really have too much understanding of how exactly to get these working, but I want to have the background of my wiki be pink, and I also want to change the font to Comfortaa. I've looked up how to change these, and the answers I've found didn't work, weren't even related to my question, or were just confusing. I have a feeling this is just part of some sort of learning curve, and again, the fact that I have no clue what I am doing. I did at least get the sidebar(?) of my wiki to be pink, where the main page and recent changes and logo and all that is, but I also want the very top of the page to be pink, too, and I can't find anything about that. Might I be able to get some help with this?

Thanks. YourCriticSky (talk) 19:03, 15 March 2022 (UTC)


 * What skin are you using/what's your wiki's URL? Agent Isai  Talk to me! 20:19, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm just using a simple vector skin. Here's the link to my (very much WIP) wiki.
 * https://skyreviews.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page YourCriticSky (talk) 21:07, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * You should clear your Common.css, and add the following to your Vector.css: — Arcversin (talk) 22:13, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! I'll see if that does anything. YourCriticSky (talk) 22:20, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * @Arcversin It made the bottom of the page pink, but it didn't do anything else, unless I just have to wait longer. YourCriticSky (talk) 22:27, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Did you want to change the background of the page body to pink? I didn't include that since I wasn't sure if you wanted that. If so, I might suggest using a very light shade of pink to avoid interfering with any text, and to provide contrast with the interface. — Arcversin (talk) 22:40, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * No, the page body being white is fine. It's all fine now, it just took longer than I expected it to. There's this weird thing where the bottom of the page becomes black when in dark mode, but I think I can live with it. Thanks again. I'll make sure to ask any other questions I have on the noticeboard as well. YourCriticSky (talk) 22:51, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Special Page: Wanted Files not showing all broken files?
I just imported 2gb worth of media files and so I wanted to check if everything is in place. Now expectedly, when I click on random pages on my wiki, there are some files that are missing with broken red links.

However, when I check the Special Page for Wanted files, it only shows 27 pages - when I know there are definitely more than that.

Some pages that I checked that I *know* are missing files don't show up in this Special page. I just need a list of these files so I can properly upload them again - any idea how?

Thank you so much in advance!

My wiki is: https://akb48.miraheze.org Akibachans (talk) 19:37, 16 March 2022 (UTC)


 * hello, the problem is, there are over 100 files that are having text/plain MIME on your wiki, with the type of MIME, which is wrong, the images/media file are not going to display properly. This should be an issue with the Maintenance script bot in the process of importing. --  Joseph  TB  CT  CA   19:53, 16 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see, thank you! Should I escalate this to Phabricator so they can fix it? Or do you have any advice on what to do?
 * yep, a phab task would do + always remember to sign your comment with 4 tilds ~ on discussion and talk pages --  Joseph  TB  CT  CA   21:44, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

mw:Extension:Replace Text and patrolling
I used the extension, and all edits that the replacement produced are marked as unpatrolled, despite that I'm the bureaucrat and my normal edits aren't marked as unpatrolled. The extension's page said nothing about this. Why does this happen? Manually marking those edits as patrolled creates more work that completely negates the benefit that automatic batch operations would bring. Before this, I used Pywikibot, which didn't have this problem.

Also, what difference does patrolling make? In other words, how are patrolled and unpatrolled edits different other than the red exclamation mark in recent changes? If there is none, and if this is OK with Miraheze admins, I'd like to turn the feature off ($wgUseRCPatrol). --Jack980517 (talk) 03:12, 17 March 2022 (UTC)


 * It seems what you encountered was a bug in the extension which was just fixed a little bit ago by the extension's developer. They have implemented a fix but now we have to update the extension (which should occur in a week or two).
 * As for what patrolling does, it's just a way to show local administrators whether an edit has been "reviewed". It's useful on larger wikis in order to coordinate spam removal by being able to mark which edits have been reviewed and which still need to be checked for spam and other things. There's no different between both edits and neither the Stewardship nor SRE (Miraheze has no "admins" or "staff", it's a complicated term) would really care as it is your wiki however it seems that the setting is not within ManageWiki yet for you to toggle so it'll have to be added first. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 03:20, 17 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I was afraid that the reason why the option isn't in ManageWiki is that it's forbidden by Miraheze policy or something. Glad to know it's not. How would I go about requesting that the option be changed (or better, requesting that it be added to ManageWiki)? Jack980517 (talk) 03:28, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Settings in ManageWiki are added manually as it'd be impossible to have it automatically populate. If you want, I can propose it be added to ManageWiki and the setting should pop up in a day or two. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 03:37, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes please! Thank you. Jack980517 (talk) 03:43, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Site error
I am suddenly getting an error when trying to access my wiki.

I am getting the following error:


 * Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.
 * Try waiting a few minutes and reloading. For more information on this error please check out our twitter page (https://twitter.com/Miraheze) or contact the system administrators by connecting to #miraheze-sre on irc.libera.chat.
 * (Cannot access the database: Cannot access the database: Connection refused (db121) (db121))
 * (Cannot access the database: Cannot access the database: Connection refused (db121) (db121))
 * (Cannot access the database: Cannot access the database: Connection refused (db121) (db121))

Is this a temporary issue with the servers?

Something specific to my wiki?

Any insights as to what the issue is would be welcome. Mitchell Gore (talk) 02:18, 18 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Mitchell Gore, this is an ongoing server resource issue. SRE is working on reviewing its server resource allocation with the view to reoptimizing as applicable. Thank you for your understanding and patience as Miraheze's technical and other volunteers work on this. Please follow one of the several open tasks on Phabricator, too. Dmehus (talk) 02:26, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Unnumbered parameter not working
So I have this specific code in here: #|

Upon using the template, the text meant to be displayed here " " does not appear.

Only changing the final to another parameter fixes this, but then the template does not display text as intended? How does one solve this? AzureEclipse (talk) 11:16, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Numberpedia
To all users, I have created Numberpedia and this wiki have few articles and 1 active user. Can we come to https://numberpedia.miraheze.org and create new articles. Silicona (talk) 18:33, 18 March 2022 (UTC)