User talk:John

Backup
Is there a way to back up the contents of my Media Wiki? Jsmith (talk) 21:17, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * There are a few ways. The first is using Special:Export on the wiki by listing off the pages you want to back up or alternatively you can ask me to provide you with a full dump of the wiki including revision data so you can keep a backup which can be imported easily in future. It depends on the exact needs though. John (talk) 21:19, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * As a fellow sysadmin (and veteran of the web hosting field), my concern is that I (and others) put a ton of effort into our respective wikis to have you disappear into the cold night. The fear is further enunciated by the fact you aren't charging us anything. Where do the finances come from to run this project? Thankfully, Mediawiki is a great system that operates almost anywhere so if I have a way of backing up the wiki every once in a while I'd feel safe and I'm sure others would too. Then, if you disappear it doesn't matter. I will request a full backup from you every month or so, if it isn't too inconvenient for you. Jsmith (talk) 21:24, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * We're funded by donations by the community with a backup source of myself if necessary. Dumping the wiki monthly is of no issue to me really. I may automate it if you're asking for it monthly but I need to see first. John (talk) 21:37, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Rights
How come rights arent given by CreateWiki? Is this an error? Could you check on the other private wiki that I just created? And also, when creating the first wiki I did get a MW Exception error. --Reception123  (talk) ( contribs  ) 11:51, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * likely that. SPF is aware and said he would look into it today. I'm swamped with other stuff right now though, so CreateWiki and exceptions are not a priority (unless they're seriously breaking like the HHVM issue was recently). John (talk) 11:52, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Problem with search
Hello John,

on my wiki, mecanon, I get the following error everytime I do a search:

" A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software.

Function: SearchMySQL::searchInternal Error: 145 Table './mecanonwiki/searchindex' is marked as crashed and should be repaired (185.52.1.77) "

Would you know what is happening?

Thanks
 * Hi, I am aware and it currently my priority to investigate and fix it. I'll post more information as it becomes available. John (talk) 13:57, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Resolved earlier. John (talk) 16:37, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Rename Wiki
John, is it possible to rename a wiki without deleting it and then creating a new one? Carhur61 (talk) 17:57, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, renaming a wiki is possible without deleting it. Reception123  (talk) ( contribs  ) 05:29, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * How can I do it?  I guess some Admin permissions have to be granted.  If that is not possible, can you rename it for me?  The current name is Charlas de Sábado and I want to name it Hurtadopedia.  Thank you very much Carhur61 (talk) 17:28, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the very late response, you can't do it. Please ask at Steward's noticeboard and it will be done. Reception123  (talk) ( contribs  ) 09:30, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Goodbye
I don't know if you ever read this, but I don't care about that. As I've already said via e-mail and in the rights log - sad to see you go. I promised I would take over your work if I had to, and I will do that now. We'll improve our dream project, to become the best place where people love to have a wiki!

Good luck with your RL, and I hope to see you again in the future (no matter which role)! <3 Southparkfan (talk) 17:24, 20 December 2015 (UTC)


 * did a great job with regards above. I know I haven't recently been as active in this project but I'm hoping to change this. Sad to see you go, and hope to see you around. Take care, John. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( Talk • Contribs ) 23:18, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I know I'm late. I remember the good days since my day 1 of wikilife, and I deeply thank you for your guidance. I really have nothing much to say, just ;-(((((..... Take care, &mdash; revi  14:43, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry for being so late, I only saw the post now. You will always be remembered and missed at Miraheze, and will be remembered as one of the founders. Good luck in life! Reception123  (talk) ( contribs  ) 15:14, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Umm... I'm not sure why you're saying this. As of 22:23, 24 February 2016 (UTC), John is still around. Saline (talk) 04:54, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Please read my user page - thanks, John (talk) 15:19, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Unanswered requests
hi John, some Christipedia wiki feature request entries have have been archived (see Archive3) without being answered or done. How come? You have moved them on 22 February to the archive3 page. Kees Langeveld (talk) 22:20, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * The bot (or me in this case by mistake) archives based on last response not on whether the request was done or not (which is really bad of a system). The reason it has not been handled is a serious lack of volunteers able to handle requests unfortunately. As there is a lack of man power, a lot of requests are going unanswered, it's something we don't like but something we can't really handle. The best thing to do is re-request them. John (talk) 22:24, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Wiki
Hi Mr John How to change wiki or renaming wiki? If can't to change. Do you have to create a new wiki?. See SN there was one request. Thank you :) TriX (talk) 13:33, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi. You aren't able to rename wikis as it requires a fairly hands-on approach by moving databases on the database server. The user should always be directed to file a request on Request features for these sorts of things and the relevant person will get a hold of the particular request by either searching it out themselves or someone who is more active in the technical work gets the relevant person to handle it. John (talk) 13:57, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh. Is there a limit to create a wiki for users ? example: 1 user allowed to create 3 or 4 wiki? Thanks before TriX (talk) 22:30, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * There is no limit. John (talk) 22:40, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks TriX (talk) 06:00, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

PayPal extension
Install extension. --188.32.103.49 06:48, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

PLEASE DELETE MY ACCOUNT AND WIKI.
Could you make a comment about why nobody answer any of my wiki questions?

What happend? Tring to Help to the Community is not a good idea for make a wiki here?

--JORGEFE (talk) 14:50, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, I'm not able to comment on why the community hasn't given you a response on any questions you asked. I'm not actively involved in the community aspect of things really either. It's best to keep in mind everyone is a volunteer and thusly there is no requirement for replies (unfortunately). John (talk) 15:18, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

PLEASE DELETE MY ACCOUNT AND WIKI 2
When I refer to "community" I mean the goal of my dead wiki for lack of some help to do it well. My wiki was to coordinate social assistance in my Country .. !!! And of course I understand that my wiki is not welcome. But I do not understand why no one has answered me anything. Not even you. Good luck in your life.

Sincerely, Jorge Fernandez from Argentina. --JORGEFE (talk) 16:36, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Question
Hi John. This may be annoying but I'd like to know why you have a global ban on Wikimedia Thank you. 190.140.251.11 04:09, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Who is you ? And who yourname TriX (talk) 04:37, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Information I'm not disclosing (for legal purposes) but the global ban is just text and part of a process. The physical policy behind it does not apply or affect me as a different agreement takes precedent over it. John (talk) 11:15, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Could Miraheze be my new home?
John, I am looking for a place to host http://anduin.kgv.nl/, but I have a few questions:
 * Can it be reached on its domainname?
 * Can you handle monthly donations?
 * Do you have an upgrade schdule?
 * Can you show me som examples of similare sites hosted at Miraheze?
 * I was always planning to embed the extensions to create PDF fils of categories of pages. Do you have this functionality on board?

Thanks in advance

Kind Regards

Ruud Habets


 * Hi there, I can't read the contents of your wiki due to the language, but I checked and see your running MediaWiki 1.25.x. We should be able to import the contents of your wiki to Miraheze.
 * The custom domain can be used, but you'd have to get a SSL certificate as we are HTTPS-only, but if needed, a free Let's Encrypt certificate can be used.
 * I'm not sure what you mean by handling monthly donations. We accept any donations that can be made/arranged through PayPal. User:Labster is the person to talk to about donations.
 * Well, Anduin.kgv.nl now runs on a VPS at Versio.nl. It would not be fair to ask you to host Anduin.kgv.nl for free because at this point it takes about 19 GB including the OS. --Ruud habets (talk) 19:40, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * We don't have a defined upgrade-schedule but we try to run the most recent stable version of MediaWiki (currently 1.27), but we are running 1.26.3 right now because of some complications during experimental upgrades. We hope to have issues resolved and upgrade to the stable version soon.
 * That is more than what I am capable of :-) --Ruud habets (talk) 19:40, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Again, content-wise I couldn't tell, but All The Tropes is our largest wiki and it is operating on a custom domain.
 * I have looked at that and it looks OK although I cannot tell if they use many pix or templates what could potentially slow the site down. But I guess we can test that at some point. --Ruud habets (talk) 19:40, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Several users have requested PDF extensions, although I don't think any are installed at the moment. Hopefully one gets approved and installed soon.
 * -- Cheers, NDKilla ( Talk • Contribs ) 11:25, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Please note that PDFEmbed has been recently installed. Reception123 (talk) ( contribs  ) 11:59, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I will take a look at that. --Ruud habets (talk) 19:40, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately that is not what I am looking for. I was asked by the Koninklijke Bibliotheek (http://www.kb.nl) to hand in the encyclopedia, let's say, once a year. In order to do that, I need create PDF files from chapters a through z. At this moment in time, this is not a showstopper --Ruud habets (talk) 19:46, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * "*Can you handle monthly donations?" -- If you mean donating to Miraheze, we can handle as much money as you want to give us. But seriously, donations are not required for wiki hosting -- we are running a free service.  Paypal allows you to set up recurring payments, though I'm not sure if they would count as donations or purchases.  (A purchase would just mean that Paypal takes a small fee.)  If on the other hand you mean collecting monthly donations for your wiki and redistributing them to your wiki ownership: we are not set up to do so.  You can operate your own fundraising process on your own wiki. --Labster (talk) 16:53, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * No, I would like to make a monthly contribution to support your project. --Ruud habets (talk) 19:40, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

What now?
I would like to make a suggestion how to take it from here. Can I do that by mail, that is a bit more private? --Ruud habets (talk) 19:40, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * You can use Special:EmailUser to email individual users or you can use staff@undefinedmiraheze.org to e-mail all the staff at Miraheze. --Reception123 (talk) ( contribs  ) 05:19, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

LetsEncrypt
I don't understand you position on LetsEncrypt
 * What John means is that he personally doesn't think LetsEncrypt is a good solution, but that is his opinion, it is not Miraheze's generally view on LetsEncyrpt, so therefore it has nothing to do on the Custom domains page. Also please remember to sign your posts with ~ . Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#AF91521"> contribs  ) 18:50, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

email addresses
I've seen email addresses posted for the last few years. Why the policy against them here? is there a current article about the issue?
 * Straight text emails are crawled for spam usage. This has been common for years now and I hoped it'll be common knowledge by now. John (talk) 04:44, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Rename Request
Hello John? My Name is "아름불휘(Areumbulhwi)". The account will a question regarding to change the name. When I know you are very busy but be processed?--아름불휘 (talk) 14:16, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Do you want your name changed to "아름불휘(Areumbulhwi)" or what else? -- Cheers, NDKilla ( Talk • Contribs ) 14:48, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * from "아름불휘(Areumbulhwi)" → to "믿음나무" Cheers--아름불휘 (talk) 14:57, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * 아름불휘(Areumbulhwi) isn't a global account, do you want your current account (the same thing, without the text in parenthesis) renamed to "믿음나무" (text in quotes, without the quotes). Sorry for this, just double checking, especially with non-english names. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( Talk • Contribs ) 15:09, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi John
I want to request admin with reason for delete page redudant(if I made mistake with create a user talk for wiki creations) Thank you John! TriX (talk) 04:06, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Let's keep any discussion on the open RFP there. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( Talk • Contribs ) 12:48, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

All of my wikis are now active
Please remove them from inactive lists.


 * https://source.miraheze.org
 * https://xof.miraheze.org
 * https://orbiswiki.miraheze.org

XOF (talk) 16:53, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Done sourcewiki TriX (talk) 04:16, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

edittools

 * How can I use edittools?--Msnhinet8 (talk) 01:24, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * This should be requested on Phabricator. Please see Request features. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#AF91521"> contribs  ) 15:37, 22 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Ok.--Msnhinet8 (talk) 01:36, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Request confirmation that you told somebody to evade a Miraheze-wide ban
Is the assertion in Requests for Comment/Reverse community ban on User:Lawrence-Prairies that you told someone currently under a Miraheze-wide ban to post to Meta correct? --Robkelk (talk) 02:04, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes. Given the lack of any appeal methods and the fact they've been actively evading, spamming and threatening staff over the past few days it seemed easier to tell them to put what they are actively doing to somewhat use in achieving what they want rather than taking away all of our time to deal with them. It seems to have worked as since they made the request we've gotten a lot more time back. They also made an appeal to staff@ which I asked someoje to post on wiki or respond to of which no one did which meant we had forfeited their right to appeal one which was not (or is not) revoked by any ban. John (talk) 08:11, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Please remove my ban from chat
Please remove the ban I have from using #miraheze

Rsterbal (talk) 23:46, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I will if you agree to par take in civil discussions, stop demanding what administrators can do with their discretion and listen to reasonable requests by IRC channel ops. John (talk) 13:52, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Can you provide examples of:

1) What you think is a civil discussion?

2) Chat policy?Rsterbal (talk) 02:38, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * 1) Actually engaging in a somewhat civil manner rather than shouting, demanding and instructing what others can do and then when they ask you to stop, repeatedly telling them to stop instead. Listening to reasonable requests to end discussions rather than carrying on and critising people for peace keeping.
 * 2) As you've been told, there isn't one. There's a draft Code of Conduct however. John (talk) 06:40, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Will the chat bot be turned back on soon or another will another way to monitor the chat channel be available?Rsterbal (talk) 17:48, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * We have zero control over the bot so it is something for botbot.me to solve. We have no intention of providing our own logs. John (talk) 18:06, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

If you
 * FYI, the bot has been back up for almost 24 hours. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#AF91521"> contribs  ) 18:40, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Please consider not making an official channel of the site something you don't have a plan for logging if your current plan fails.Rsterbal (talk) 11:24, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * There is no requirement to provide logs. A third party hosts our logs because we don't want to do it ourselves. If there logs fail, it's unfortunate. If you dislike this then you provide logs. Furthermore you seem to be skipping over the topic if this conversation and repeating behaviour by telling us what we have to do because it's what you want. As such I am not going to reverse the ban and it shall stay in place until it's original expiry date. John (talk) 14:31, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

If you are not interested in having a discussion, and are just enforcing terms I'm not sure why I would want to chat in your channel.

If you don't want to be transparent about your conversations in chat, I think you have a real problem.

Can I log into the channel if I don't chat in it?

Rsterbal (talk) 03:26, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * We are interested in having discussions, half the time it you that isn't. As evidenced by how you banned by just repeating "stop" when people attempted to engage with you, We are transparent. John (talk) 06:50, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

You aren't transparent if you don't maintain public logs of the channelRsterbal (talk) 12:29, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * So the public logs I linked to you don't count as public logs? We want them, we organised them, we just don't store them because we're a wiki farm and don't budget for things not related to running the service using users donations. We have public logs therefore you're picking a null fight here. John (talk) 13:11, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * (talk page stalker) Can you please just stop this discussion? When you are removed from chat, that doesn't give you an excuse to continue the same problems elsewhere. I really think that you are wasting John's time right now when he could be working on many other things. Just accept the ban until it expires - you'll have a better chance at returning if you do. Fighting the ban is just going to decrease the chances of returning. -- Amanda   (talk)  13:54, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

I'm more than happy to pay for those logs to be made available

Please note:

on your main page (https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Miraheze) you list as the recommended way to contact you. Rsterbal (talk) 01:18, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
 * IRC: #miraheze (recommended)
 * Your point is? Regardless of payment were not going to duplicate a free service that has worked well for over a year. We have logs, that are public. End of. A note though, if you wish to continue being disruptive then I will have no issue is making this a permanent ban. IRC is not a necessity it's rather a good privilege with Miraheze and a way to contact us. If you continue to show you don't want to constructively use the platform then we have no reason to let you. You ban expires in the first week of May so I suggest you do otherwise until then. John (talk) 08:13, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

If you decide to remove the ban from chat I'd be willing to try messaging the ops before posting it to the channel. Rsterbal (talk) 22:29, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Wiki creator
Hi,

Would you feel comfortable with granting me wiki creator rights? I've noticed the backlog sometimes exceeding 4 or 5 requests and sometimes even more, and I would like to do my part to help out. -- Amanda   (talk)  01:24, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Not sure if the other sysadmins feel the same, but based on your previous interactions with wiki creating I would firstly like to ask you a few questions on IRC before thinking about granting wikicreator. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#AF91525"> contribs  ) 19:02, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I poked you on IRC yesterday and did not see an answer. Please let me know when you are available to chat. -- Amanda   (talk)  11:19, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Given user's prior history of poor communication (not including today's incident) I formally oppose the grant of permission. &mdash; revi</tt>  14:25, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I have asked Amanda a few questions on IRC and I see no issues with the actual understanding of how the wiki creation process works, and which requests are to be accepted/declined etc. The community aspect may be an issue though, so I think that the sysadmins should discuss this before taking a decision. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#AF91525"> contribs  ) 15:01, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
 * The community aspect is definitely an issue. If Amanda is not LP, then Amanda has a history of not securing accounts so that LP cannot use them. (If Amanda is LP, then there are other issues to address.) I would be extremely wary of giving any enhanced rights to this account. --Robkelk (talk) 18:25, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
 * As far as I am aware there has been no occurrences of LP using Amanda's account. Though it'll be helpful if claims were backed by evidence especially when formulating a view of opposition. John (talk) 18:32, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
 * LP did previously compromise my Internet routers, but not my actual account. My account has been secure from day 1 because it has been locked for at least half of its existence. -- Amanda   (talk)  19:34, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I trust that admission is sufficient as evidence. --Robkelk (talk) 21:37, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
 * "not my actual account" so therefore point invalid? John (talk) 21:39, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

(reset indent) The point of my account being used by LP is invalid. However, LP did compromise my Internet connection and thus had the ability to perform disruptive behavior under my name, which she did. This has stopped now. -- Amanda   (talk)  21:48, 29 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I thought you guys willingly shared an account back in November and merely used different signatures in order to differentiate. The DeltaQuad days.


 * If we merely look back at an edit made back in December by DQ/LP, we find that this person referenced themselves in the signature as Amanda and linked to a GitHub repository of a user called AmandaQuad.


 * An argument could be made that DQ/LP on Amanda's behalf and that Amanda never had control of that account; this edit that showed that on the account, Amanda filed something on DQ/LP's behalf on that account and that after the vacation that DQ/LP was doing, their edits would be separated by signatures. This was never challenged by any edits at any point from either person from that instance until the block of DQ/LP. LulzKiller (talk) 23:36, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes that did happen. Though it was agreed by the users, nothing was insecure and nothing was broken. Neither is it against policy to date that happened in the past. User B using User A's account with permission doesn't immediately mean User B is incapable of having a secure account. John (talk) 06:27, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * John, what I believe he's trying to say here, not unreasonably if you ask me, is that their story between then and now has several discrepancies, and given how we have no way of proving they are two separate people or if this isn't just a very long end-run around a previous block so Lawrence-Prairies can go on a rampage again, it would only be prudent to request Amanda provide proof, if only in private, they are not LP in any way, shape or form, preferably in a way that can be used to legally verify their identity, like how I had to send you a copy of my ID back on Orain to gain server rights. Otherwise, this drama is never going to end unless there is some way to break this who's who deadlock, and given all the crap we went through before and the resultant terrorism by LP, it's only reasonable to want to eliminate Amanda as being a long-game sock of the same so as to lay the constant doubt (and there is more than enough IMO) to rest forever. Until then, and I say this as someone who was once former staff at this farm's predecessor, I would not hand out wiki creator rights to this user, nor make them staff to any degree. GethN7 (talk) 13:32, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Please note I am now passing to opposing this, as the user has lied about being Microsoft Staff and has provided a fake email address for confirmation that they are. I can not trust Amanda, so therefore I would not give permissions to a user I can't trust. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#AF91525"> contribs  ) 14:25, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * P.S.: I see that Amanda still reverts comments that they do not like, another reason to not accept this request. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#AF91525"> contribs  ) 14:28, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * The general view overall seems to not be optimistic, therefore I am not going to grant the right. Any other sysadmin may continue to use their discretion in granting however. John (talk) 14:29, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Know that the above claims by Reception123 regarding Outlook are false and should not be taken into consideration. -- Amanda   (talk)  14:30, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not taking statements into account. He doesn't feel it's appropriate and neither does revi. Therefore for now I'm not comfortable granting rights. John (talk) 14:33, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * For the record, until proof is provided (not a fictitious email address) I see the claims about being Outlook Staff as being inaccurate. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#AF91525"> contribs  ) 14:36, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * The email given to Reception is not fictional. The only reason he thinks so is becasue it's not listed on the customer support website, but that's becasue it's not a customer support email. I will not comment further on this. -- Amanda   (talk)  14:49, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I have found out that Microsoft Staff emails are different than the one that Amanda provided (with the help of revi, who has contacted them once before), so therefore I conclude that the email is not a real one. This is my final comment on this matter. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#AF91525"> contribs  ) 16:10, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

You might want to consider this
Seems our Amanda is someone we know and are not a fan of. User contributions and their usual pattern matches up too. GethN7 (talk) 16:52, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
 * This was something we were aware of since before the original ban RfC closed. It was even discussed in the original ban RfC and on IRC multiple times since the first RfC was opened. John (talk) 16:55, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I'll be blunt, John. I won't try to warn you again if you don't listen to me now, but this is our long-term vandal. Their WikiCanada Wiki mostly revolves around bridge articles. All the crap Amanda has done here to get backlash they did at Wikipedia under their now banned sock accounts. You've been showing quarter to someone who doesn't deserve it, and frankly, you'd have to be blind not to notice. If you want to ignore this, fine, but you've invited a viper into the bird nest of your own free will. GethN7 (talk) 17:00, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I would just like to point out that even if John would agree, it is not his decision to make, as Miraheze is community ran. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#AF91525"> contribs  ) 17:06, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
 * "if you don't listen to me" What have I ignored? "you'd have to be blind not to notice" I've noticed and said I have right above. I also said this has been known since before this RfC. "you've invited a viper into the bird nest of your own free will", I haven't done anything on my own accord. This proposal by me was supported 4 people, opposed by 1 and closed independently by someone who couldn't care what the outcome was. Status quo didn't have consensus though I disagree with the time given to discuss but that was SPF's choice not mine on when it was closed and neither was it my decision on how it ended. If you wish to take an issue with the decision itself then you need to talk with Southparkfan. John (talk) 17:07, 14 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Let me clarify this before it gets out of hand. Basically, it all comes down to this:


 * I Love Bridges = Lawrence-Prairies
 * Amanda != Lawrence-Prairies
 * SlitherSnakeSempter = Amanda
 * SlitherSnakeSempter != I Love Bridges
 * SlitherSnakeSempter is blocked because Amanda and ILB share the same IP range
 * EN Admins won't accept that Amanda != I Love Bridges because of this humorous essay.


 * Why are we still discussing this? -- Amanda   (talk)  20:55, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I must also note that the recent comments/actions by GethN7 in my humble opinion are inappropriate and are seriously crossing the line of harassment/personal attacks. Both of these go against the recently established Code of Conduct. As such, I request that this discussion be terminated without further action (If any steward/sysadmin disagrees, feel free to comment). -- Amanda   (talk)  21:09, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Fine, Amanda, I will say no more about this except the following: If I were in charge, when we threw you out as Lawrence-Praries, that would have been final, no matter how many times you vandalized and sockpuppeted, demanding we let you back in, but you eventually managed to wear down the staff here they decided suffering your presence was less hassle than standing for principle, which, assuming I had say, would not have happened. Further, I examined your LTA abuse record and have compared it to your various accounts here, and they all match up to a disturbing degree, so no offense, I'm not fooled, Lawrence-Praries/I Love Bridges, I know who you are, have known it for the longest time, and I'm not going to pretend otherwise. Regardless, since the staff has decided to let you stay here despite all the vandalism, harassment and abuse you perpetuated prior, and I have no ability to change their minds, you can do whatever you want so long as no one here at Miraheze or its infrastructure is damaged by your actions. Also, this is why I oppose CoC pushers like you, because they are used to shut down legitimate concerns based on factual evidence anyone can evaluate for themselves, and I'm far from stupid, and I find it quite ironic a long time rule violator both here and there is now cowering behind rules when it suits them, but so long as you enjoy a shield you don't deserve and have not earned and I have no power to strip it from you, I won't try to stop you, but I will keep an eye out, as I have for the longest time. With that said, my objections are noted here for the record from here on out, and I want them to remain public so in case of future disputes, you can refer back to this if I do give you any more grief without cause. GethN7 (talk) 21:25, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The above comments do not establish anything as they contain nothing but personal attacks. As such, GethN7 is hereby indefinitely banned from WikiCanada and I would advise the stewards to keep an eye out for further attacks. -- Amanda   (talk)  23:03, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

(reset indent) "I have no ability to change their minds" - First of all, the "staff" have not decided on this, since multiple staff members (including me) did not vote for the resolution that ultimately passed. Even if you would "have the ability to change our minds", that would not matter since banning/unbanning(locking/unlocking) was the community's decision through an RfC, any new actions/sanctions against the account would also be the decision of the community and could only be decided by an RfC (except if the user directly doesn't respect a policy and/or the RfC). Local blocks can also be the decision of local staff, such as the recent Phabricator disable, but any global actions against the user have to be decided by the community.

"I would advise the stewards to keep an eye out for further attacks." - first of all this is Meta, so there is no need to involve stewards. Second, personally I don't really see how GethN7's comments fit as harassment, as all he's doing is expressing his opinion and concerns and just because you don't like something, doesn't mean it should just be removed. As seen multiple times (Microsoft Staff, Wikipedia, etc.), you take someone providing evidence against you as "harassment", which in my opinion, is definitely not the case. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#AF91525"> contribs  ) 04:51, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Mea culpa, Reception, thanks for correcting me where I was ignorant. However, now that I'm up to speed, I want it clear, also for the record, that if there was ever a vote to permanently and irrevocably expel a user for whom evidence both here and elsewhere indicates is nothing but trouble, then I will vote for said decision immediately and enthusiastically. Unfortunately, I doubt such a measure would do any good, as the one I am currently referring to will likely find some way back again even if that does happen, and I might as well get it out here and now if it is permissible I would like to reopen the decision to expel Lawrence-Praries once more, this time with that decision carrying more weight and permanence than it did prior, regardless of my personal pessimism it will be rendered a token gesture regardless. GethN7 (talk) 05:17, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * No problem, it's understandable for users to not be entirely sure of the process. For the "if it is permissible", no one can stop a user from opening an RfC, it is fully up to the user. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#AF91525"> contribs  ) 05:29, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I have created the appropriate means of seeking this relief here for comment and community consensus. GethN7 (talk) 11:46, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

user:Amanda, please provide a summary timeline of what happened. user:GethN7 please review it and validate its accuracy.

Thanks, Rsterbal (talk) 21:01, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Good luck with the new job
I hope your new job works out well.

You are technically gifted person.

Rsterbal (talk) 03:51, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Can we have some more specifics about this?
John wrote: "The last few months have been a long struggle with excessive harassment from a mix of people in relation to my duties at Miraheze"

Can we have a more detailed summary of what happened?

Rsterbal (talk) 14:18, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Since John has resigned, I doubt that he will answer this. You may see the main discussions here, Requests for Comment/Review exception to LP ban and reban them and even on this talkpage. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#AF91525"> contribs  ) 15:03, 28 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I was looking for a summary, not links to hard to read wiki threads. Rsterbal (talk) 17:37, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The summary (and this is very simplified, and might not reflect things exactly) and I will try to put the most neutral way possible is that AllTheTropes users disagreed with John's proposal to unban Amanda and with the decision itself (which was actually decided on by SPF) and therefore a user insulted John, myself and NDKilla and others continued to express their disagreement with John. After more tensions between ATT users and John, he decided to leave the project. I'm sorry that this isn't explained to well and may subjective, as I could not possibly explain the whole situation in such a short summary, Striking as it is a poor explanation of the events. and to get a real grasp of what happened, it is indicated that you read the wiki threads. Reception123  (talk) (<font color="#AF91525"> contribs  ) 17:41, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm going to give a summary since Reception did a very basic one that doesn't even touch the surface of it. Since around December 2016, a user from AllTheTropes has been tracking down every thing I've done, in a continued manner using abusive language to refer to me and my opinions. Taking a classic attitude of "you're not doing what I want, you're a coward, spineless and fucking useless" while attacking me for having an opinion at all. I've asked them to stop over such period of 5 months and they chose to acknowledge but ignore. Finally they did it on wiki and another steward reviewed it and acted. From that point, it turned into a case of the community threatening to leave because I was responsible for the entire incident. I was blamed for getting harassed. After heated discussions in private with labster, I decided to walk away as it was clear miraheze was no longer what I started, an inclusive equal community but it became one where harassment and abuse was deemed "acceptable" and it's the victims fault for getting harassed. As such I was clearly not welcome and in such a high stress volunteer environment, the added abuse for not helpful. John (talk) 18:17, 28 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for your response. I hope it helps people understand that the failure to engage people together toward common goals can lead to serious losses in other areas of the service. Rsterbal (talk) 19:36, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * For the record, I would like to say I sympathize for starters, John. I would also like to say despite misgivings some have shown you, you continue to do an excellent job in regard to stewardship of overall management of Miraheze as an entity, and it would be a great loss, at least for me, if you were to cease that duty, in which your performance, despite any naysayers to the contrary, has been exemplary as far as I'm concerned. GethN7 (talk) 14:33, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Not all from your community are bad - some are just more vocal than others and its a shame you aren't in the vocal category. John (talk) 14:41, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd also like to add, upon reflection, I have misjudged you. Granted, past experiences may have led me to question your capability for certain roles, but you seem have returned to the community with a much calmer and reflective state of mind than I may have given you credit for, so if you would like to reconsider the CoC position, I would be happy to advocate your possible appointment. GethN7 (talk) 16:24, 9 November 2017 (UTC)