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how to fix error?
Hello! When I did the Template "Website" I got the error "Error Lua in Module: Wikidata on line 186: attempt to index field 'wikibase' (a nil value)." I think I need to enable the "Wikibase (client)" extension for the template to work. If I think correctly, how can I turn it on? Wiki — frog.miraheze.org	Kwack (talk)

Znotch190711

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
 * hypotheticalmetawiki and mirahezefakenews have been deleted. Any requests for similar wikis by any user will be declined under the Content Policy clause "A wiki must not create problems which make it difficult for other wikis". Znotch190711 is prohibited from creating further accounts. -- Void  Whispers 18:31, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

 Hello,

I've opened this thread to discuss the actions of.

Firstly, this user has started a number of RfCs recently that they know are likely to fail and have been previously discussed varying from changes to the internal structure of Mirhaeze to CVT. Their latest RfC is a very long page with a number of proposals that even they themselves know are unlikely to pass and oppose.

I have also noticed that this user makes misleading comments as evidenced at their talk page where they claim to have not requested any wikis despite having done so and this discussion where they claim to have nominated me for sysop hypothetically and then deny this part way through which they refused to remove when I blanked it as I decided I did not want to be involved in this and are taking the mick about unaware WMF wiki users.


 * User:RhinosF1 - (Quirc) (chat (on meta) ) · CA 15:58, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

I proposed this as I can see users easily getting offended if they are made out to be something they are not and discover lies or Znotch refuses to remove them and this ruining Miraheze's reputation User:RhinosF1 - (Quirc) (chat (on meta) ) · CA 17:47, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Proposal
is required to remove any mention of users in hypothetical content on https://hypotheticalmeta.miraheze.org if the user requests it.

Discussion

 * This request would be out of the scope of AN since it does not concern Meta. Reception123 (talk) ('C' ) 16:11, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I put it all part of the same discussion but feel free to move to CN or something more appropriate. User:RhinosF1 - (Quirc) (chat (on meta) ) · CA 16:16, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * While this may seem like bureaucray, if I as a Meta admin were to close this request I would not be able to due to the fact that I don't have authority to make a decision for another wiki. Reception123 (talk) ('C' ) 16:38, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Can you suggest an alternative venue to discuss this? User:RhinosF1 - (Quirc) (chat (on meta) ) · CA 17:00, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

The truth is that I do not feel comfortable with the actions of Fungter/Znotch190711. I have seen that it is something problematic, with his account "Lego Master" has had problems and has been blocked in some wikis, then has changed account, perhaps to avoid the block. As "Fugster" has vandalized and was blocked again and now it is again changing account, to avoid its block again, because this last time it has tried that the Stewards use oversight to erase their "past actions".

Here in Meta I have seen that several times that the user has tried to propose something rare that would involve a big change to the Miraheze structure, I think he has a fascination for global permissions. Many times he has nominated to other users to occupy voluntary positions, when he does not even know if that user has the capacity, time or desire to occupy the positions. Perhaps it looks for that some user gains its liking, soon to be nominated and to obtain its vote in a future, is the unique explanation that I see to him all this attempt to draw the attention.

Idk, from my point of view I think you should analyze the user's actions and do something about it.-- Dark Dragoon  (talk)  04:03, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I have deleted the page and the problem may be fixed. Znotch190711 (Contribs - My wiki - CA) 05:34, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Would you agree to the conditions of this RfC? User:RhinosF1 - (Quirc) (chat (on meta) ) · CA 06:12, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Please be specific on what the conditions are. Znotch190711 (Contribs - My wiki - CA) 06:24, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * That you are required to remove any mention of a user in hypothetical content on hypothetical wikis on request where you possess the tools to do so. User:RhinosF1 - (Quirc) (chat (on meta) ) · CA 06:37, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by “mentions?” Znotch190711 (Contribs - My wiki - CA) 06:50, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Usage of Thier username or a known alias and the content associated with it. Anything involving them you've got to make not involve them and so it can't be guessed it does. User:RhinosF1 - (Quirc) (chat (on meta) ) · CA 06:54, 13 July 2019 (UTC)


 * And maybe you should also consider restricting the creation of wikis related to false or unofficial Miraheze things (I do not know if there is any policy about it already). I do not think it's good that there is a wiki that collects false things from Miraheze, as if it were Meta, or that it uses its appearance within the Services. There are already two wikis that he creates: mirahezefakenews and hypotheticalmeta. If you create this kind of wikis every time a user feels dissatisfied because their ideas were not implemented, we would be filled with wikis such as these, and resources are used to create something that may make Miraheze and her volunteers look bad. In fandom for example it is forbidden to use the appearance of the community central and it is also forbidden to do anything that damages the "fandom" brand. -- Dark Dragoon  (talk)  07:10, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Votes

 * 1) as proposer User:RhinosF1 - (Quirc) (chat (on meta) ) · CA 15:58, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 2) Meta should have no opinion about how some other Miraheze wiki deals with a problem user.   16:54 12-Jul-2019
 * Well in this case it is not "Meta" but this forum is for the Miraheze community as a whole. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 07:45, 13 July 2019 (UTC)


 * 1) -- Dark Dragoon   (talk)  04:04, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 2) I don't think the whole idea of the wikis is appropriate, as it could create confusion. If someone would visit one of these wikis they could get the impression that they are the real version. I think that the user should at least have clear indications that the wikis are meant for "satire" or whatever it is for, as to not cause possible confusion. I see on one of the wikis it is claimed that Miraheze has incorporated, which is not true, and is an example of what could cause users to be genuinely confused. Reception123  (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 07:44, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The wikis are satires. you are right. it is confusing. Znotch</b>190711</b> (Contribs - My wiki - CA) 08:15, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) I am trying to fix the problem. Znotch</b>190711</b> (Contribs - My wiki - CA) 08:13, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 2) as I support the proposal below more strongly.-- 09:35, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 3) per pionner's suggestion -- will  if they fail User:RhinosF1 - (Quirc) (chat (on meta) ) · CA 09:40, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Proposal 2
hypotheticalmeta and mirahezefakenews should be closed and deleted. Any further requests that could be confused with other existing Miraheze wikis will be declined because they "will hinder other wikis", and any other similar existing public wikis will be suspended if found.


 * One thing I can say for sure is that faking other user's signatures to make the discussions real is going too far. Uncyclopedia is a parody of Wikipedia, but they would not do host such contents. We may ask for a simple removal, but I think these wikis should be closed because they are still confusing with meta even if such contents are removed.-- 09:35, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Votes

 * 1) -- 09:35, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 2) - was going to let this close based on the agreement and suggest we review policy around this anyway User:RhinosF1 - (Quirc) (chat (on meta) ) · CA 09:38, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 3) Per my comment above. In this case I support making the wiki private, instead of deleting. However, any future requests for public wikis like this should be declined per that clause of the Content Policy. Reception123  (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 10:00, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 4) I agree with Reception123. Znotch</b>190711</b> (Contribs - My wiki - CA) 13:08, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * If you agree, wouldn't be easier if you made the wikis private or deleted them instead of requiring us to go through this process? Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 16:02, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I have made the wikis private. However, I still think they should be closed and deleted, considering that they have almost the same main pages as meta.-- 17:15, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) -- Dark Dragoon   (talk)  17:15, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 2) The image of Miraheze could be affected by these wikis that mirror Meta but alter the contents. --DeeM28 (talk) 07:49, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Proposal 3
The known alt accounts of User:Znotch190711, LegoMaster, Fungster, and Ofreporter should be locked so that they won't be abused.


 * As there are concerns that other existing accounts may be abused, I think we should lock them so that it won't be abused.-- 09:35, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * You are actually wrong. Ofreporter was moved to LegoMaster because of compromised account, and I also moved from LegoMaster to Fungster also because of compromised account, in both cases, my email was removed and since at those times I did not have a committed identity I was not able to recover my account. Lock Ofreporter and LegoMaster as possible abuse. So I only chose to change my account once, not three times. Znotch</b>190711</b> (Contribs - My wiki - CA) 13:07, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The important thing is the fact that you have changed your accounts from time to time several times. Even if the backgrounds behind for each cases are different, it is enough to make me think that you are somewhat untrustworthy.-- 13:39, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Votes

 * 1) -- 09:35, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 2) per nom User:RhinosF1 - (Quirc) (chat (on meta) ) · CA 09:39, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 3) -- Dark Dragoon   (talk)  17:47, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 4) I think other accounts are legitimate and there is no sign that there will be abuse or that the accounts have been used after the creation of the new ones. --DeeM28 (talk) 07:44, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 5) I agree with @Dee. Znotch</b>190711</b> (Contribs - My wiki - CA) 19:24, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Honestly, shouldn't we expect you to oppose since it's action against you and if they're not going to be used then what impact would locking them have. I don't see the issue m User:RhinosF1 - (Quirc) (chat (on meta) ) · CA 19:28, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Proposal 4
User:Znotch190711 should not use/create another alt account. If detected, all the accounts including his/her current main account will be locked.-- 09:35, 13 July 2019 (UTC)


 * I've seen him/her repeating "clean start" many times, and I think we've had enough.-- 09:35, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * You are actually wrong. Ofreporter was moved to LegoMaster because of compromised account, and I also moved from LegoMaster to Fungster also because of compromised account, in both cases, my email was removed and since at those times I did not have a committed identity I was not able to recover my account. Lock Ofreporter and LegoMaster as possible abuse. So I only chose to change my account once, not three times.

Votes

 * 1) -- 09:35, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 2) per nom User:RhinosF1 - (Quirc) (chat (on meta) ) · CA 09:39, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 3) I want to do the. Znotch</b>190711</b> (Contribs - My wiki - CA) 12:55, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 4) -- Dark Dragoon   (talk)  17:19, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 5) The reasons for creating the new accounts are flawed so the user should not continue doing so. They should be allowed if they ask a staff member and give a good reason for it. --DeeM28 (talk) 07:46, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * 6) I've personally been suspicious of this user from the beginning, and I had to take an official action against them on my wiki due to harassment. The fact that they keep creating new accounts and supposedly "abandoning" the other one makes me even more suspicious. A single clean start in good-faith is one thing.. Multiple clean starts to evade scrutiny is another. Amanda Catherine (talk) 19:34, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

General Discussion
Updated User:RhinosF1 - (Quirc) (chat (on meta) ) · CA 17:47, 12 July 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section

Edit not saved on Crazybloxian Empire wiki
Hello. I was trying to edit a wiki page on my Crazybloxian Empire wiki but it says, edit not saved. I’m an administrator and bureaucrat on that. How come that is happening. Btw I was trying to edit on mobile. •• User:Fair0002 • China Sucks! Xi Jinping Is Filthy 08:18, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * What is the exact error message? Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#DC143C">'C' ) 13:49, 15 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Error, edit not saved. •• Fair0002 • Bureaucrat and Administrator of Crazybloxian Empire Wiki 01:14, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Is this error still occurring? Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#DC143C">'C' ) 05:08, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, fixed already. But I still need an explanation for why the ERROR OCCURED. •• Fair0002 • Bureaucrat and Administrator of Crazybloxian Empire Wiki 05:13, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

[FIXED, PLEASE IGNORE] I blocked myself on accident.
Somebody please help me get unblocked from the Crazybloxian Empire wiki. I blocked myself accidentally. Check the block log. At least the block lasted two hours.

•• Fair0002 • Bureaucrat and Administrator of Crazybloxian Empire Wiki 09:43, 16 July 2019 (UTC) It is ignored, but similar requests should be made on SN.

Semantic MediaWiki
I know that this has been discussed multiple times before, but with the Referata wiki farm essentially gone (it's no longer hacked, but it's uptime is extremely inconsistent and there appear to be frequent DOS attacks targeting the site), would it be reasonable to consider Semantic MediaWiki for Miraheze? Referata was the largest wiki provider that I know of that supported SMW, and since it appears that Referata may be ready to go end-of-life, I think it would be nice for another stable wiki farm to support SMW. While I personally don't use SMW, I know people who do, and for some projects and goals, it is a very important feature. I'm not sure why we currently do not support it, and if there is anything on the technical side that needs to be done, I may be able to help (I'm an IT professional, after all). Amanda Catherine (talk) 16:28, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Apologies in advance since I'm a relatively new user to Miraheze, but I thought I would share my experiences with SMW. Going through the previous reasoning why SMW was rejected as an extension, the reasoning given was because it would heavily modify MediaWiki. I would like to add to this with my personal experiences with SMW and its performance issues it caused me as a contributor on other Wikis (mostly game-oriented Wikis).


 * I will say from the get-go that I am biased against SMW because of these experiences. When it worked, it worked. But when it didn't, it caused a lot of headache.


 * On an independently-owned Wiki I contributed to (no longer exists), during game update days, SMW would cause the site to go down. We would have to temporarily make static pages in place of the SMW pages in order to avoid page slowdowns and avoid SMW spiking resource usage. We made attempts to remedy the situation such as switching to Lua instead of Wiki Markup to render pages and upgrading the backend to keep up; however, SMW was still a huge resource hog and downtime was still happening. The site owner eventually stopped self-hosting that specific Wiki.
 * Gamepedia, a large Wiki host for games, has now deprecated the usage of SMW. I was not involved directly with this decision, but I do know that at the time (Fall 2017), SMW was causing a lot of downtime across all of Gamepedia (not just the Wikis that were using SMW). Gamepedia had to turn off SMW on a few high SMW-usage Wikis to get stability back.
 * For transparency, I was an administrator of one of those Wikis that had SMW turned off at the time. After working with Gamepedia staff for several hours in an attempt to remedy the SMW situation, eventually the conclusion was reached that SMW had to be shut off. A significantly large portion of our content broke, and it took several weeks to fix everything that was affected. I'm not familiar with how Referata handles SMW, and granted, we were using many complex and heavy SMW queries, but the fact that it was still able to bring all of Gamepedia down and the fact that it's now deprecated should definitely be a warning siren.


 * I would also like to point out that Miraheze supports the MediaWiki Cargo extension which was developed as an alternative to SMW (and SMW's ~20 different extensions) by one of the main developers of SMW (Yaron Koren). Both parties from the situations above (The independent Wiki site owner and Gamepedia) have now switched to recommending Cargo over SMW. I personally have been using it for ~2 years now and, while it's not perfect, have yet to experience any issue with it compared to the scale of the SMW issues I had to face.


 * If SMW really must be considered as a potential extension to be added again, I think the following questions should also be considered:
 * Is it worth supporting SMW compared to the performance issues it can potentially cause?
 * Is it worth the manpower that will be required to support and maintain it, knowing that Miraheze already support its alternative Cargo?


 * Apologies again if there are any mistakes or anything I may be ignorant of being a new user here, but, in my opinion, I do think adding SMW is something that should be done with caution and thought since I believe SMW's issues go beyond just technical compatibility. Elaeagnifolia (talk) 23:56, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Site name error
rs.miraheze.org

Expected: 滚动的天空Wiki

Got: æ»šåŠ¨çš„å¤©ç©ºWiki --SolidBlock (talk) 04:41, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Normal now. It can take a while from submitting the ManageWiki. --SolidBlock (talk) 04:42, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

How to stop fake users from registering on the wiki?
There is a constant trickle of fake users registering on sdiywiki. It's really rare that a real user signs up. The fake users are some script somewhere that posts some nonsense with a random external URL and the user never visit the wiki again. Somehow it's a different IP each time. Proxies are blocked and the abuse filter prevents the spam from being allowed. The wiki has got captcha/recaptch for account creation but this doesn't make a difference.

How to slow down or stop fake user accounts from being registered on the wiki? Rob Kam (talk) 18:07, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I think introducing some kind of username block filter might work.-- 14:37, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * There is no discernible pattern that clearly distinguishes the fake user names from legitimate users. Rob Kam (talk) 16:57, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

My wiki https://geodominus.miraheze.org/wiki/ is gone.
Hi, I do not know if this is the right place, but my wiki https://geodominus.miraheze.org/wiki/ is gone. Can someone help me?
 * Was the wiki public or private? Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#DC143C">'C' ) 17:59, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * @Reception123: Public

how to keep up to date in changes in Miraheze storage space
I remember a month or so ago we were told Miraheze had about 90 GB left in storage for ALL projects collectively, so our desire to see thousands of images mass-imported from old Wikia/Fandom projects might be delayed (something in the realm of 30GB and 70GB respectively).

I was wondering how to keep up to date on fluctuations in Miraheze capacity so we might know when an appropriate time is to revisit these requests.

I'm also wondering, re Phabricator, if there might be some way of a tiered approach to restoring an old database. Like for example, instead of restoring ALL the images at once, to say restore maybe 1% of them at a time?

This would allow us to revisit some of our older files, and with a small quantity, maybe go through them and even delete spam.

Do you know, out of consideration for minimizing the footprint a wiki makes on Miraheze, if there is a way to permanently delete a file once uploaded?

In my experience when Wikia/Fandom deleted a file, it wasn't truly deleted, a copy was still present on the database taking up space (because it could be restored by admins) so that wouldn't allow permanent deletion to free up space for Miraheze, which is something I'd like to do.

I'm also wondering if anyone knows of any tools for arranging files by information such as size, so we could for example "target" the higher-capacity "bloat" files and reduce them to a smaller resolution (perhaps a complete delete and re-upload?) to cut down on Miraheze's costs for storing it. Tycio (talk) 18:00, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * To check out disk spaces, access Icinga following the guide on Tech:Icinga, and search for disk spaces. When a wiki is deleted from our database (most likely per Dormancy Policy), I think images uploaded there will be completely deleted as well, which is probably the only case when we can delete images parmanently.-- 14:55, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

As a member of Administrators, Bureaucrats for a private wiki, how can I give other users the ability to edit the wiki?
As a member of Administrators, Bureaucrats for a private wiki, how can I give other users the ability to edit the wiki? I have a user_name and an email address for the account that I want to allow to view and edit the wiki's private pages. I saw the manage permissions and I created a new group, but I do not see how to add users to that group. Thanks Ken78w (talk) 22:20, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Go to your wiki's Special:UserRights and check the "member" group Znotch</b>190711</b> (Contribs - My wiki - CA) 06:41, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Invitation
hi, I invite you to speak Portuguese participate in centopedia.Gustave London (talk) 16:19, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Enabling Citoid
Hi everyone! I'm triyng to enable Citoid extension on my wiki (infectowiki.com) based on this instructions: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Citoid/Enabling_Citoid_on_your_wiki. Just did a copy paste of templates codes and the Citoid-template-type-map.json file described. Extension is enable and usable from VisualEditor, but if I try to add a citation I get an error message.

Seems like I'm missing the "maps" part, but I can figure it out. I don't have enough knowledge of mediawiki to understand the instrucionts.

Please help!
 * Can you link to a page where an error occurs? It will make it easier for us to understand what's going on. -- Void  Whispers 04:13, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I get this error: in english will be something like "We could not create the appointment. Use the "Manual" tab above to create one manually." Site now unprotected so you can reproduce de error. Freyesz (talk) 02:25, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

MatomoAnalytics is failing
On any wiki, go to Special:Analytics (it is MatomoAnalytics). Before, MatomoAnalytics gave you several statistical parameters about visits (such as websites of origin, keywords used or daily visits), but now it is only showing daily visits. Are you doing an update or is it an error? --PaladinDeGigantas (talk) 19:02, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the report, I've just alerted a sysadmin to the issue as there were changes the other day. Just to let you know, we track issues on something called Phabricator. RhinosF1 - (chat) · CA · contirbs · Rights - ) 20:24, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Tracked in T4569 RhinosF1 - (chat) · CA · contirbs · Rights - ) 20:30, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Getting frustrated with Template:Sidebar, wont even display article links
Hello! I was just editing my wiki when I decided to import templates from WiKiPEDiA to my wiki, here. But when I put article links in it, it wont show up. I need formatting help, somehow

•• Fair0002 • Bureaucrat and Administrator of Crazybloxian Empire Wiki 01:34, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Import w:MediaWiki:Common.js. The lists are collapsed by default, but the show/hide buttons won't exist without the JavaScript. -- Void  Whispers 01:39, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * wow thanks. Problem now fixed, as you can see here •• Fair0002 • Bureaucrat and Administrator of Crazybloxian Empire Wiki 05:24, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

A question about Navboxes
Hello there. I have just begun work on a new wiki, and I’m getting used to some of the complexity within them, but I have a question. In terms of Navboxes, like this one which is missing a hide/show button; thus lacking the ability to collapse and uncollapse, so is there any way to make them collapsible? Cheers - ManiacACS (talk) 06:20, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * See the above section with a link to import some content to get it working. RhinosF1 - (chat) · CA · contirbs · Rights - ) 15:58, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

How do I close my account?
I got stalked on the internet and my life don't deserve to live, anymore. https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Mar9122 Mar9122 (talk) 20:02, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi, please follow Data Request Process. Paladox (talk) 21:07, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

I need formatting help concerning infoboxes
I want my infoboxes to look exactly like Wikipedia infoboxes. Basically I want to put it into like a box thing. Go to a wikipedia article, it has an infobox with grey background. I want my pwn infoboxes to look the same

•• Fair0002 • Bureaucrat and Administrator of Crazybloxian Empire Wiki 02:28, 30 July 2019 (UTC)