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Unprecedented MediaWiki space changes by Agent Isai
I noticed Agent Isai's recent RFC about adding ads, which might have been funny if it weren't sadly realistic. However, they also decided to make unprecedented changes to the MediaWiki space including addition of an image to every noticeboard and changing of group names. Apart from personally not finding these amusing, doing these unprecedented changes to the MediaWiki namespace is certainly not a good idea. I have been yelled at just for removing one line of text, but these are very bad. Given that there is no precedent for April Fools changes at all these could even be construed as vandalism. I don't believe Agent Isai's intent is to confuse people; however, some sort of plan and/or restrictions on changes are a good idea-- especially not public-facing ones on a wiki used by new Miraheze users who can and will be confused by these. Naleksuh (talk) 04:56, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
 * These system messages aren't really any super publicly facing things that the average joe will notice or deeply ponder about. Will users really be left wondering why a member of the oversight group is called "memory hole"? Where will they see that message? Special:ListUsers/oversight? Most can easily construe it's a joke and most new users will never even see these. The workflow of most users is Special:UserLogin -> Special:RequestWiki -> Special:RequestWikiQueue -> their new wiki. The system messages for all those pages are purposefully left untouched on purpose as those will confuse others. Globally facing pages, such as policies like Stewards (which are linked globally in each global group's Grouppage link) which might cause issues are equally unaffected. These system messages are purposefully kept local on Meta and not pushed globally via MirahezeMagic (as suggested years ago when this idea was first proposed). The only users who will see these are 'powerusers' on Meta who will appreciate the joke, moreso knowing that April 1st is April Fools Day. I invite the community to opine on whether these small changes are actually problematic. I agree big changes (e.g. blanking Terms of Use to feature a picture of Jimbo) is a big no but what about temporary changes to system messages of rather infrequently looked at group names? Additionally, Naleksuh reverted a change to MediaWiki:Common.css which flipped the logo upside down when hovering. Certainly this won't cause Meta to implode now will it? Agent Isai  Talk to me! 05:16, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
 * If people won't notice it, then what purpose would it serve? Either way, the MediaWiki space is not really the place for jokes as it is supposed to be a sensitive space. But maybe it's one of those things where it only applies to edits I make and other people can just do whatever they want in it. Naleksuh (talk) 05:27, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
 * New people won't notice it but powerusers will appreciate it, I'm sure most will agree. I'm guessing you're citing the MediaWiki:Logentry-removepii-action and MediaWiki:Logentry-farmer-requestonhold messages you customized which were deleted. Regarding the first one, I'm sure you agree with the justification. Regarding the second one, to say one "held" something in the sense of placing something on hold isn't common but for messages regarding extensions like that, it would make more sense to make a PR proposing an i18n change rather than just making a local system message change that diverges from an extension we control and that won't be internationalized. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 05:38, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
 * No mostly MacFan4000's complaints about my changes to the MediaWiki space. Then again they complain about every single thing I do so maybe it wasn't really about the MediaWiki space after all Naleksuh (talk) 05:40, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I've seen enough micro changes from you that didn't add particularly much to wonder if it's really all that sensitive to be honest. Anyway, the edit was rather harmless but perhaps not in the best taste. Call me a grouch but I find april tomfoolery to just be a source of problems. Case in point evidently. --Raidarr (talk) 08:16, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't know what personal grudge I just walked into, but can we please not sour the good-natured humor of April 1st (and every other day thereafter) with it? It's getting exhausting, frankly, even for objective viewers. If massive companies can and have a sense of good nature and humor about themselves for a period 24 hours, it should be reasonable to expect that obviously well-meaning members of a small non-profit like MH can also do so. It's once a year, as an exception that much of the world can understand without making an issue where there needn't be one.
 * April fools is really an "unprecedented changes" day... (inflammatory title?) maybe of having a sense of humor, being flexible, understanding, and above all, good-natured towards others for 24 hours. In other words, this is starting to look petty (to a Canadian, no less, sorry!). Can there be a forward-facing attempt to even just present a face of assuming good faith going forward? For the sake of the community, please? Thank you -- I was, until now, rather enjoying the internet good-natured silliness. If this is your dead-pan "just kidding this complaint was a silly joke, too" prank, now would be an excellent time to crack a (described) smile, for the love of all that is MH. | -- FrozenPlum  (Talk / Email) 17:57, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, um. If this complaint was a joke, now would be the time to say it. If not, this entire thread is objectively pointless. Everyone just laugh a little. It's not a big thing where we have to start yet another long discussion about something that in the long run, will not matter and is just a joke. April Fool's Day is as FrozenPlum said, to have fun and be good-natured to others. Let's set aside the vendettas for one day, please. All of this is in good fun, there's no harm intended. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 19:22, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Rollbacker & Patroller request
I find myself reverting some vandalism in Meta, and undo sucks ass when reverting vandalism. Requesting patroller as well, because it makes anti-vandalism easier. OrangeStar (talk) 14:59, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ Hi I wanted to suggest you if you don't want these rights few days ago, when there was vandalism attack and you reverted something. So now i accept this request, thank you for volunteering. You can read Template:Patroller granted, if you want.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 16:46, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Don't feel afraid of contacting me on my talk page, if you need something from me just leave a message and I'll get around to answering as soon as I read the notification email. OrangeStar (talk) 17:08, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Move request
Please move User:OrangeStar/es6.js to User:OrangeStar/customsidebar.js. OrangeStar (talk) 18:38, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅,--MrJaroslavik (talk) 18:50, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Requesting admin opinion
Can an admin give their opinion on Special:Diff/283957/284563? Personally I don't like these things, but I don't feel about this one strong enough to revert. OrangeStar (talk) 11:16, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Deletion request
Please delete the following pages. I created them to test something, but Lua in MediaWiki is way too complex for me.

OrangeStar (talk) 14:47, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
 * User:OrangeStar/reopenwiki
 * User:OrangeStar/reopenwikiboilerplate
 * User:OrangeStar/reopenwikiheader
 * User:OrangeStar/reopenwikipreload
 * Module:Reopenwikirequest
 * ✅,--MrJaroslavik (talk) 15:23, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

User:Ponyo
Unfunny attempt at impersonating a Wikipedia user. I think that account can be safely blocked. OrangeStar (talk) 12:20, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thanks for the reminder, i wanted to look into it later.--MrJaroslavik (talk) 12:47, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

IP: 2001:8003:B1B8:BF00:466:8E1D:8B19:47E4
Please blocked of IP:2001:8003:B1B8:BF00:466:8E1D:8B19:47E4. This IP is vandalizing multiple pages. 1108-Kiju /Talk 10:12, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ by MrJaroslavik --1108-Kiju /Talk 11:19, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Protected edit request
See Talk:FAQ. OrangeStar (talk) 15:30, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Edit request
In the page Oversight there is a typo in the "Local permission" section in the sentence saying "...and that candidate must also fulfil all requirements laid out in this section", the word "fulfil" should be changed to "fulfill". I can't edit the page because it is protected, so please make the change for me. Kristiannumber1 (talk) 13:21, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

rollbacker and interface-admin request
I often use twinkle to revert vandals.However I feel that it's not enough to do it.(To do more,thinks rollbacker permission is necessary)I also feel most of content in mediaWiki namespace isn't translated into Japanese. by Buel ·Talk·e-mail 14:32, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Protected edit request in Miraheze
Please add the domain where Miraheze's Fediverse account is hosted. Accounts in federated networks are given in the form of @ @. (in case of Miraheze, it would be @Miraheze@mastodon.social). This is because Fediverse accounts may be at any domain, just giving the name isn't enough to find an account. OrangeStar (talk) 10:17, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I think this is not needed. 1) Mastodon account is under link so anyone can open it, 2) Consistency reasons, with other accounts in "@miraheze" format,--MrJaroslavik (talk) 19:17, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I can see your point, but that format is how accounts are in federated networks. Still, don't feel that strong about it, feel free to leave the page as-is. OrangeStar (talk) 19:25, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Account deletion request
Hi! I'd like to delete my Miraheze account. Khossyy (talk) 01:19, 5 December 2022 (UTC)


 * For system reason,accounts can't be deleted.Do you mean Global locks? by Buel ·Talk·e-mail 01:32, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh ok, thx Khossyy (talk) 04:06, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Blocking request
Please block 1.147.74.27.This is used by spammer. by Buel ·Talk·e-mail 08:10, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ Blocked by Agent Isai,--MrJaroslavik (talk) 19:53, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Move User:Blad/RWCR without redirect
Hi, can an admin move User:Blad/RWCR to User:Blad/RWRR without a redirect, alongside it's subpages? I wish to not create any more additional move redirects. Thank you. --Blad  (talk • contribs • global) 13:15, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅,--MrJaroslavik (talk) 19:06, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

rollbacker and interface-admin request
This is a re-request.Please see here. by Buel ·Talk·e-mail 23:18, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The only reason for requesting this seems to be a need to translate local MediaWiki messages but most messages that need to be translated are available on translatewiki.net so there's not really a need for this. This also seems to be a very narrow purpose that wouldn't justify granting such a role. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 12:12, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

IP block exemption request
It seems the bot used on Meta to archive stuff isn't working anymore, so I plan on using a currently-unused server I have for this. However, when I was going to create an account for it through Special:CreateAccount, I discovered that I was blocked from creating accounts. I use proxies 99% of the time, with rare exceptions, like when I created my account here.

So, while I can edit and do almost anything no problem, I'd like to be able to use account creation while logged in, just for transparency, so people see that bot account is indeed mine. OrangeStar (talk) 20:37, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * For starters a bot like this would require a request for permissions first. Secondly, most of us have a way to contact the user who maintains said bot, and I will contact them right now to see what the issue is. So at the moment ❌. Zppix (Meta &#124; talk to me) 20:39, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Is it not possible to create an account while logged in? It definitely should be. Can you paste the error you encountered so that I may see why that occurred? That's certainly not intended behavior and may indicate a bug. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 21:02, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I mean, I'm not able due to a block here to an "open" proxy. I'd rather not paste the error, as I don't want to reveal what proxy I'm using. OrangeStar (talk) 21:05, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * You can send me the error via IRC if you want. Do note that we also block web hosts too so if you're using a VPN on a VPS, that's why. We generally only block ranges when they cause issues, not really proactively (which is an issue sometimes). Agent Isai  Talk to me! 21:34, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Wiki request
How long does it take before wiki requests are reviewed? P.S. I have on at Special:RequestWikiQueue/28712 in case this is needed. WorldExplorer120322 (talk) 18:32, 21 December 2022 (UTC)


 * No wiki requests can be processed because current database issues must be resolved (updates come as they occur at Tech:SRE noticeboard). Apologies for the inconvenience. Wiki Creators are unfortunately unable to even view requests at this time. --Raidarr (talk) 18:41, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * No worries, just wondering how long is it expected to take for resolving? Thank you! WorldExplorer120322 (talk) 18:56, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I hope the db141 issue will be resolved before Christmas. Silicona (talk) 19:07, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I hope so too, thank you! WorldExplorer120322 (talk) 19:30, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Any news on this? Jtarus (talk) 16:38, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The issues with db141 (the database that went offline in November) were resolved on December 27th of last year, and the issues with db141.1 (the database that replaced db141) were resolved a few days ago. Tali64³ (talk) 00:56, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Edit request in MediaWiki:Grant-usedatadumpapi
This grant was recently added and it's currently using the default interface message. If an admin could put "Create, view, and delete dumps", that would be great. This interface message is only used in the grant's entry at Special:ListGrants. OrangeStar (talk) 21:26, 22 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Please ignore, I'm going to add it the proper way. OrangeStar (talk) 15:19, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Protected edit request
In the page Oversight there is a typo in the "Local permission" section in the sentence saying "...and that candidate must also fulfil all requirements laid out in this section." The word "fulfil" should be changed to "fulfill". Kristiannumber1 (talk) 20:53, 24 December 2022 (UTC)


 * I already made a thread about the typo on Talk:Oversight. Thank you for pointing that out in your original thread. Tali64³ (talk) 21:07, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ Zppix (Meta &#124; talk to me) 20:14, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Protect User talk:Airtransat236 from anonymous editing
The talk page of a user named Airtransat236 has been subject to vandalism by an IP editor dating back several months. Each time their vandalism has been removed, they add more. It seems like the only way to stop it is to protect that page so that only logged-in users can edit it. Tali64³ (talk) 19:53, 29 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Also going to add that this was an issue on TestWiki recently, and the IP range(s) have now been blocked. If a global block could be implemented on the IP range (GS/Steward), that would be much appreciated. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 20:12, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @Tali64³ @Airtransat236, I have protected the page for 3 weeks for excessive vandalism, after that time if problem continues, further action will be considered, including but not limited to implementing abuse filters. Zppix (Meta &#124; talk to me) 20:05, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello there. These IP adresses has been also vanadalising and typing nonsense my talk pages on Wikimedia wikis too.
 * But when you revert their edit, they will undo your edit in the same day or later.
 * When you block one of those IPs, they will vandalise their talk pages. Airtransat236 (talk) 16:30, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Reopening this as it seems to be re-vandalized every day or so. Would appreciate it if the page was protected. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 07:46, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Article body way off to the right after 1.39 upgrade
After the 1.39 upgrade, the article body is way off to the right. I believe this code in MediaWiki:Vector.css is causing the problem: .mw-content-container, .mw-article-toolbar-container { max-width: none; margin-left: 11.5em; }

Disabling the  property with Inspect Element fixes the issue, so an interface administrator should remove it. Tali64³ (talk) 00:50, 22 January 2023 (UTC)


 * For the record, the page was deleted entirely only a few minutes after I posted this. Tali64³ (talk) 16:16, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Report AbuseFilter error filtering
Greetings!

I recently discovered by accident that one of my translations was being filtered by AbuseFilter errors when I was translating the FAQ page, and it told me "Blanking and semi-blanking". (My edits and a before and after comparison are attached below)

[ ME: == 一般维基 == ] [ Original: == 属于自己的维基 == ]

Thanks! Chisato (talk) 14:16, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Translation administrator for Pisces
Recenly and few years ago, I have gone and help with translation pages with English to Vietnamese, especially Policies and Tutorials (you may see the Custom domains/vi as the newest example). I'm also an autopatrolled in Meta since 2021 (the times when Dmehus still working in Meta as wikicreator). My language codes is vi-N and en-2. Pisces (talk) 06:53, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Sidebar translation to Japanese
I want to translate the sidebar text into Japanese, so please create the following page. Funa-enpitu（talk/Posting Record） 12:11, 26 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I oppose.Some of translations are not correct. by Buehl106 ·Talk·e-mail 02:50, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * 具体的にどこが間違っているのか教えて頂きたいです. Funa-enpitu（talk/Posting Record） 06:39, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Stewards noticeboardは翻訳するなら伝言板などの方がベターです. それに書き換えにはものすごい労力が要りますので現状維持でもいいかな.. by Buehl106 ·Talk·e-mail 05:28, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * 流石に意訳しすぎかと.
 * あと、僕はページ内の単語を翻訳するのではなく単にサイドバーの単語を翻訳するために依頼しています. 例としては、MediaWiki:Miraheze-requestwiki/jaが「Wikiを申請する」になっていることで、「Request a wiki」の部分は「Wikiを申請する」と表示されています. Funa-enpitu（talk/Posting Record） 08:46, 28 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I remember this could be changed at https://translatewiki.net, am I wrong? --1108-Kiju /Talk 10:43, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Pages automatically created (MediaWiki:Requestimportdump/ja) by the extension can be translated by Translatewiki, but other pages cannot be translated. Funa-enpitu（talk/Posting Record） 11:59, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I see. Thank you. 1108-Kiju /Talk 12:19, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * @User:Buehl106提案から二週間とちょっとが経過しましたが他に修正すべき点はあるか教えて頂きたいです. --Funa-enpitu（talk/Posting Record） 03:14, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * 返信が遅れてすいません. Requestは「依頼」ではなくリクエストのままがいいと思います. 変に意訳しても不自然ですし by Buehl106 ·Talk·e-mail 09:50, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * 該当部分を変更しました. Funa-enpitu（talk/Posting Record） 10:12, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Resumption of translation administrator, patroller, and rollbacker toolsets
I'm able to be more active again on Miraheze, and looking to assist with constructive improvements, WikiGnoming, patrolling, reverting blatant vandalism, and the like, so having the above tools back in my toolset would be very helpful. I'd appreciate it if any administrator could kindly restore the above bits. Dmehus (talk) 07:37, 30 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Given your previous experience as a Meta administrator, I have decided to ✅ this request as all fields could use some help. Thank you for volunteering! Agent Isai  Talk to me! 07:39, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Translation administrator request
I usually translate pages from English to Chinese. However, some pages haven't been marked as translated yet, but it requires a "translation administrator" right to do so. I'm also an autopatrolled user since March 2022. As a result, I requested here. My language codes is zh-N and en-2.

Blocking request
212.35.164.136 is vandalisming on talkpages. by Buehl106 ·Talk·e-mail 09:15, 2 February 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅ by Agent Isai. by Buehl106 ·Talk·e-mail 03:33, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Request for translation administrator (Danniel)
Greetings. I would like to request translation administrator rights. I have been active in Meta for a long time and the vast majority of my contributions here are Spanish translations. It's the only language with which I can collaborate, though according to what I have seen, many Spanish translations are needed in Meta pages, since many are not finished or have errors. Being a translation administrator would help me do this better by being able to mark pages for translation (for example Category:Autopatrolled users cannot be translated but has red links pointing to it) or fix the wiki code for it. Thanks in advance. Danniel (talk) 02:08, 7 February 2023 (UTC)


 * The user has been active the past 2 days, but before that their last day of activity on Meta was January 23. Before that, December 2022. I'm not a sysop, but in my opinion would like to see a bit more consistent activity before a sysop grants the right. Again, not a sysop, just my 2 cents. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 04:31, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I totally agree, my activity has been kind of sporadic recently. However I'm committed to being much more active. Danniel (talk) 16:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Absolutely, and in a few weeks if you show that I'd totally be in support of this request. However, your activity as you said, has been sporadic, and generally for volunteers we like to see some level of consistency before granting extended rights. Obviously, it's a sysop decision, but consistency is key. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 16:04, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

BrandonWM's Request for Translation Administrator
Hi there. After discussion with Reception123, this conversation has been moved from Discord to Meta.

I'd like to request that I be authorized the use of the  right on Miraheze Meta, to assist with marking pages for translation. I'm currently a  on Meta, and have served with said right with no incidents that have been reported against me. I regularly patrol translations on the Recent Changes feed (on Meta), and have varying levels of expertise in Spanish, French, and Gujarati. I am fluent in English.

As I said above, there haven't been any issues with me in my time as a patroller, and I hope to continue that over with the translate-admin right if my request is successful. I am familiar with the MediaWiki interface in addition, as well as all Miraheze policies.

I am happy to answer any and all questions you may have. Thank you for your consideration. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 07:39, 7 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Have you engaged in translation work recently? Agent Isai  Talk to me! 16:26, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I haven't engaged in creating translations recently. However, I have focused on reviewing translations lately, certifying they're legitimate. If I was a translation administrator, I'd also be involved in marking pages for translation that haven't been marked yet, and continuing with my work of reviewing translations. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 16:49, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * After discussing this with other meta administrators I have decided to decline this request. I do not feel the reason indicated is sufficient enough to grant these rights. Additionally, you haven't indicated you have done any translation work, or demonstrated any obvious need for these rights currently. Moreover, I am not 100% convinced that you understand the rights, and given recent events (while some may not be fully your fault due to misunderstandings), I am not fully confident with this request at this time. For that reason this is . I hope you can understand. Universal Omega (talk) 05:31, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for consideration. I'll definitely continue to work on Miraheze to try and improve it for all users. I have taken your feedback, and will strive to improve in the areas you've listed. Thank you for your consideration. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 05:34, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * You thank as if you was promoted to administrator 😂 Justman (talk) 12:47, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * And? Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 14:13, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Justmans request for Translation administrator status
With literally over 2200 translations, I am now asking for a translation administrator again! Moreover, I have also corrected and extended source texts of translations... And even if my account (and moreover my main account) does not exist for a long time, one should not judge anyone by it... Justman (talk) 13:27, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I do not think it is fair to ask us not to judge someone by their account age. The more someone is here the more it can be argued that they are committed to this project. I believe that it is important for users to get more acquainted with Meta and the Miraheze project before rushing to collect hats. DeeM28 (talk) 19:59, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, with my literally over 2200 translations, one can't rule out that I'm interested in this either... Justman (talk) 00:25, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, it would be quite practical to have those permissions at my disposal... In that case, I could continue my work optimally... Justman (talk) 00:27, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
 * If someone can look over and verify the quality of translation, perhaps this would be worth considering? Account age should be a factor but it can be balanced by what is being brought to the table + the utility of the right/danger of its misuse. With a late January registration though, this sort of in depth scrutiny is required since the Meta administration has no other track record to look at which would elicit confidence.
 * Worst case scenario it may be beneficial for you to continue building the profile and also make a wider presence on Meta so you are better known and so this confidence is easier to get, before making requests for advanced rights. You also mentioned another account - which account would that be may I ask? --Raidarr (talk) 14:25, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * "which account would that be may I ask?"
 * @Justman10000 Justman (talk) 14:41, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @Universal_Omega what you mean? I have quite a few translations, so... Justman (talk) 13:11, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Universal Omega has not responded to this thread, as far as I can see. As Raidarr has stated, it's best to build up your translation portfolio and account age and trust within the community before requesting translate-admin status. I'm assuming this request has been denied as an active Meta admin has not responded to this request, so again I'll state the above and recommend that the user follows Raidarr's advice before requesting again. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 17:37, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Say, someone with literally over 3000 translations is not trustworthy? Just because his account is less than 2 years old? Think about it, everyone... Without the permissions, I'm beginning to see no point in continuing to translate here, especially as I can't help in any other areas! Justman (talk) 22:06, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * A few questions out of curiosity, feel free to decline to answer:
 * What brought you to the Miraheze platform? It's welcome but a bit unusual for someone to start translating without prior involvement on any of the wikis hosted by Miraheze.
 * An average of ~84 translations a day is quite a commitment! Can you provide any insights into what's motivating you to contribute at such an impressive rate?
 * You also requested Wiki Creator permissions recently but didn't give much context as to why you wanted or were qualified for that role. Now that you've been with the Miraheze community a little longer, could you explain a bit more about why you were asking for those rights?
 * --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 23:53, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Think that NotAracham's questions are great and you should answer those as it could help decide whether or not an admin will grant you the rights. Wanted to add a question of my own:
 * Translations are extremely helpful for the Miraheze platform, translations or not. The translation administrator's primary right is to mark pages for translation. Why is that right absolutely necessary for you in order to keep translating? Obviously it adds some things to your toolset, but why would translating for Miraheze be meaningless without it?
 * As NotAracham stated, feel free to decline to answer, just a question that could help provide insight. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 04:13, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * It's not mandatory, the problem is that some pages have wrong or not so correct syntax for translations! I honestly don't want to correct each of these pages anymore, only to wait at worst a week for the release! Justman (talk) 07:14, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * 1. Am unsure, certainly in one of my searches somehow came here via Google.
 * 2. It is fun for me to translate, to help others! I myself hate not being able to translate something, why not make it easier for others?
 * 3. Wiki creator I would still like to be, also just to help others to build their communities! In fact I already have experience with it, as I already started to create my own wikifarm. Justman (talk) 07:10, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello,
 * Unfortunately, I can not approve this request at this time. Your account is only 26 days old, and regardless of your activity as translation administrator, I do not believe that is sufficient time to show you understand the tools you'd be given. Additionally, there are other instances that show that you have been disrespectful to volunteers, and persistent after being told no. There have been instances on GitHub for example that shows that you're being disrespectful, and persistent even though you were told no. Even though this didn't occur on-wiki, it, combined with you're less than a month old account doesn't show your trustworthiness, or your need for the translateadmin tools at this time. My advice to you is to show your trustworthiness, and good quality of translations, and re-request this in at least two more months. I would not be comfortable giving these advanced rights out given some history, and your persistence, even when told no, in the very short time you have been here. Therefore, at this time, this request is ❌. Thank you. Universal Omega (talk) 07:49, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Then I see myself forced to stop my work for the time being, because it would have no real sense to continue without these permissions... We'll see in two months... Justman (talk) 08:06, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Translation administrator isn't necessary to be a translator. Not having a "hat" doesn't have to be used as the reason to do things that are perfectly possible to be done without a hat. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 11:22, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * As I said before, I don't see the point in waiting up to a week to translate a page because the original version has incorrect or not quite correct translation syntax, and I have to wait until my corrections are freely given! Justman (talk) 12:22, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Translation admin allows a user to mark a page as translated though, not to correct syntax as you mention. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 12:53, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? I meant, I wait every time that my edits are given free to translate.... Sometime one has also no more Bock on it!... Justman (talk) 13:19, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I should mention for the record that a 2 month re-request is entirely contingent on other things happening that build the trust, not complete absence or refusing to do things. If the principle concern doesn't change and isn't demonstrated to be changed then advanced rights will never be given. --Raidarr (talk) 13:11, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Until what changes? Justman (talk) 13:19, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The various concerns that have already been described. I also heard something about machine use for translation but you'll have to confirm if that is involved or not. --Raidarr (talk) 13:34, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I use DeepL, which is the most stable translation machine on earth! Nevertheless, of course mistakes happen, but then I correct them... Justman (talk) 13:36, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Again, it's best to listen to the advice of Raidarr and Universal Omega. Focus on building up trust in the community as well as your translating portfolio. In 2 months time or so, if you feel you can succeed in a request for the rights again, please feel free. But taking an extended leave of absence from Miraheze won't help your case (ie. waiting 2 months for stuff to die down and then requesting again).
 * In any case, it might be best to leave this thread alone as useful information seems to have run out. The user has been made aware of the concerns surrounding them and their conduct, and hopefully will strive to correct said issues. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 15:39, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * How to expand my portfolio? I literally have over 3000 translations! Justman (talk) 17:50, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * So, do more. More translations always help. Account age is also a factor. I get it's not what you want to hear, but it is what it is. Please have some patience. Thanks - BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 05:44, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Rollbacker request
I'm going to request rollbacker permission.There are any types of spam or vandalism and I often revert them by using Twinkle.I believe I'd be able to revert and prevent spam with rollbacker permission if I bacame them.Thank you. by Buehl106 ·Talk·e-mail 09:59, 21 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Vandalism is very infrequent on Meta at the moment so I think this is unnecessary at this time. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 11:21, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I see. by Buehl106 ·Talk·e-mail 12:43, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * You're quite active on the Japanese wiki scene, right? If so, your talents may be appreciated elsewhere, perhaps you can apply for Global rollbacker, just make sure to include lots of proof of your countervandalism work on your request if you opt to apply for the role. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 20:00, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Can I show users my activity if I request role? by Buehl106 ·Talk·e-mail 06:05, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Certainly. That's what I suggest you do, show users that you're active fighting vandalism via your activity. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 06:07, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Even if it is on other wiki(not meta)? by Buehl106 ·Talk·e-mail 06:14, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
 * For Global rollbacker, yes. In fact, activity on non-Meta wikis is what we're looking for for roles like Global rollbacker and I think you fit the bill. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 06:19, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Blocking request
167.88.224.62 may be proxy.It has vandalismed. by Buehl106 ·Talk·e-mail 22:45, 27 February 2023 (UTC)


 * It's an IP from a school. Relevant edit. Does not seem severe enough to block, maybe a warning, but it's a clearly unconstructive edit. --Raidarr (talk) 02:11, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I understand.I'll do. by Buehl106 ·Talk·e-mail 05:57, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Patroller request
Hello, I am requesting the patroller right. I believe that enough time has passed since my revocation. I've started to be active again, and stalks  a lot. I believe that I could patrol again and help marking edits as patrolled. -- Bukkit  [ cetacean needed ] 01:24, 2 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I trust you'll act smart this time and have matured since this previous incident. As always, please don't misbehave or engage in any behavior which led to your previous revocation (e.g. any improper behavior from a patroller). ✅ Agent Isai  Talk to me! 07:26, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy notice of an unblock request
I know this is unusual, but MarioBobFan is a more unusual character who managed to get himself completely ejected from Meta including talk page access. So I suppose his appeal, such as it is, can be worth considering in this avenue. It is posted here: talk page on Amazing Youtubers Wiki. --Raidarr (talk) 15:04, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Request for lifting of restrictions
Hi there. I'm submitting a request for my existing user restrictions on Meta to be lifted. The existing restrictions can be found here. I'm not aware if there are more active restrictions by Meta admins, but I don't believe there are, having checked my talk page. Any clarification would be much appreciated though. I'm requesting this because I believe that I have improved on the original concerns that users had with me when I returned to Miraheze, specifically my competency. I am now a Meta patroller, and I believe that I am at least somewhat trusted by the Miraheze community now. I'd like to appeal and request that all Meta administrator restrictions be lifted. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 03:17, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I oppose this request, at least until it's been a considerable length of time since this. BrandonWM on multiple occasions ignored a topic ban. While I have not seen any major problems with RfCs created (some of them are things I disagree with, but people are allowed to have opinions), I think it would be better to let this stay for some time, both as it's been hours since this restriction was pointed out and with the issue of recently going around such restrictions. Naleksuh (talk) 06:17, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Also the user is still requestwiki blocked Naleksuh (talk) 06:21, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I will note that the  is separate from Meta administrator restrictions and cannot be removed by sysops, so that has no relevance or bearing here. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 06:24, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Considering this request I have decided to accept it and lift remaining restrictions. The fact that it's only been hours since the restrictions were pointed out and that as far as I understand BrandonWM was unaware of their continued existence is actually to me an argument for them not being needed; the fact that nothing "bad" happened during the time when their existence was unknown. As for TestWiki, I have made my thoughts clear regarding the way the restrictions were communicated and administered there so I wouldn't take that as an argument against lifting. I think for the future it would be strongly indicated to find a different way to implement such restrictions so that they are not forgotten by the user and by everyone else including administrators (for example a partial block or the use of an AbuseFilter). Either way as a general note, BrandonWM has improved and has been unblocked and unbanned on a large number of other Miraheze projects such as GitHub and Phabricator where I haven't really seen any of the past behavior being repeated. That being said, I would like to make clear that you should be very careful when doing the things that were previously part of the restrictions and not falling back into the old habits that caused them to be introduced in the first place as they can always be re-introduced if necessary. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 06:33, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Withdrawal of user permission
I request the removal of the rollbaker permit from my account Thanks. --Hispano76 (talk) 02:57, 11 March 2023 (UTC) Hispano76 (talk) 02:57, 11 March 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅, sadly. Thank you for your service! Agent Isai  Talk to me! 03:00, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

"View logs for this page" is broken
Clicking "View logs for this page" just shows all logs. I know it requires an Interface Admin to fix, but I couldn't find an Interface Administrator's Noticeboard, so this will suffice. Bbbtest (talk | contribs | e-mail) 21:48, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Request Translation Administrator right
I want to request the Translation Administrator right on Meta-Wiki. I've checked the page, and don't see any hard requirements such as the minimum number of edits required etc. ,in the policy. I hope to use this right to mark pages that need to be translated and update translations in my free time, and to adjust translation marks for some pages that need technical adjustments. I have the same right on Wikimedia's Meta-Wiki, see this page.

Thanks. Chisato (talk) 07:17, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Subpages delete request
Request for a local admin: delete all my subpages. Not just this one. — Pixial  [Talk] 01:08, 14 March 2023 (UTC)


 * A list of pages to sysop. But I think sysop might want to know if you also want to delete the js subpages (including global.js). Have a good day. Chisato (talk) 11:00, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Request for removal from Translation Administrator group
It has been a very long time since I last used my Translation Administrator rights for me to be able to justify holding onto it. Thank you. 17:56, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ Zppix (Meta &#124; talk to me) 13:20, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Blocking request
2001:F77:6C20:4100:71A9:44BE:FF44:7905 is trolling on meta. by Buehl106·Talk·e-mail 10:18, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Request for Translation Administrator

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
 * ❌ by Reception123, and by Justman. User is asked to focus on improving their conduct. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 19:23, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Now, my third application for translation administrator rights. With my account now 2 months old, and with literally over 5000 edits, I am applying again for those rights. Justman (talk) 21:49, 28 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Don’t know if I have any strong opposition to this. While there have been conduct issues raised in the past, don’t know if I would consider that extremely relevant here. However, the entire translation system is in need of an overhaul, so that may be taken into consideration here as well. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 00:36, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * First as a fact: Chisato also has that role, with his only 223 edits here in the meta! I, on the other hand, have 5,568 edits (See Special:CentralAuth/Justman). Undoubtedly, there existed... Well... Complications, but this should not be able to prove that I have not earned those permissions!
 * And how, the translation system should be revised? Justman (talk) 10:40, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The question remains what technical need you have for these rights. On top of this, quite frankly I'm not sure I trust you with further access because a cursory review of your edits in English have demonstrated to me a lack of understanding of the English phrasing or material. This compromises the trust I would have for your translated material and is an issue I would want to see resolved before I'd want to see you with further rights.
 * Unfortunately I lack the native understanding of German (or whatever other language in other examples) to say how well the nuances are captured, despite my understanding of the original content. This can be applied to most volunteers who natively understand both the words and the content and are entrusted to enforce/interpret it, yet they can't necessarily say if it applies to the translated material as well. This is the issue with the translation system that Brandon has mentioned. The only value of manual translators in 2023 is that you trust them to understand the meaning and provide a nuanced translation, verses machine translating everything and being done with it. But as it stands. I believe trust is not earned with the way translations are and always have been carried out. The translators with the most contributions at any given time in Miraheze history tend to use machine assistance from what I've seen, obstensibly verified by the translator. If I can't be confident that the native English understanding is up to par, then the translations are no better than just having the process automated or telling people to use a trustworthy extension to translate. After all, the platform is overwhelmingly operated and populated by English native volunteers and wikis respectively in the first place, and automation has become increasingly competent even during the lifespan of Miraheze. It takes less than it has ever taken to produce thousands of translations. And at this point I can't tell if the manual translations to this effect are more useful than just doing it all in one go with AI given the sheer lack of people who understand English and the other language to a high level, plus truly comprehend the material they are translating.
 * Finally, I wouldn't try to brush the behavioral complications under the rug. They matter when it is a question of getting technical access. It's a matter of trust. It's even more relevant when the need hasn't been justified. --Raidarr (talk) 13:25, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Then explain to me... Why does Chisato have these permissions? And where, please, are my translations not correct? I may admit to using DeepL, but that doesn't mean that its translations are incorrect, incomplete or anything like that! On the contrary, Google Translate and co are a laughing stock in different to that!
 * I need the permissions to update the syntax of Translate pages... Sure, I can do this without those permissions, but as mentioned before, waiting for my edits to be approved is a pain! Especially considering the fact that this can drag on for weeks! Justman (talk) 14:18, 29 March 2023 (UTC) correct link. by Buehl106·Talk·e-mail 15:16, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I would just ask - if translators are using machine translation (which by the way, has been something that has been advised against) what is the point of having translations as opposed to people using these services directly or a browser extension? Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 14:44, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Simple, sure it would be stupid to always just use the machine directly! Especially with syntaxes like Name, Category:Example , DeepL has its weaknesses, since it also translates Link (which is not supposed to be) and the like!
 * In such source texts I check the translations again manually, but with pure continuous texts DeepL has no problems. Justman (talk) 16:38, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I have justified the need, haven't I? You know, the problem is that one does not try! One can earn trust... Or prove it! If one does not give me the permission, I can not prove this trust! In addition, one can remove the permissions still... So... Justman (talk) 09:52, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * This comment isn't specific to this particular thread or situatin but I can't say I agree with saying that we should first try out giving permissions and then see if the person is trusted. That was once done back in Miraheze's early days - a user was given administrator on Meta and they ended up vandalising the entire wiki. As unsatisfactory as it may be, one can't give permissions and hope that the person will be trustworthy afterwards. Once again, this comment doesn't address the merits of this particular case. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 10:20, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 1. Because someone abused his permissions then, should everyone else suffer now? Miraheze has backups, right?
 * 2. My comment refers to this thread? Do not understand just what you mean!
 * 3. GOD! I request Translation Administrator rights! No administrator permissions or even higher Justman (talk) 10:50, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 1. No, it's just common practice. Nobody is promoted anywhere, volunteer or paid, without earning trust first. If you don't have the necessary trust, you won't get the rights. This entire thread is probably an example of the issues surrounding your appointment.
 * 2. Yes, I believe he does.
 * 3. Translation administrator is a form of administrator. It's why the "administrator" at the end exists. I'm not quite sure you fully understand the role, given that you're arguing that point.
 * I also would like to take this point to remind all involved users of the Global Conduct Policy. This conversation could easily delve into murky waters, so I'm taking the time to remind everyone to be respectful in their responses, no matter how much you may disagree with the other's point of view. Thank you. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 15:05, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 1. Let's ask it this way: what caused one not to trust me? I now have bureaucrat permission on the test wiki! If I wasn't trustworthy, it wouldn't be there any more! But it still is, which will not change...
 * 2. Exactly
 * 3. That may be so, but what I meant was that one could not do too much damage than, for example, with administrator or even higher! And yes, I know what this role brings, that's why I'm so eager to get it... Justman (talk) 18:01, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * To return to one of the first clues.... As mentioned earlier, User:Chisato was also granted this permission without any confirmation at all on his request! Didn't do nearly as much work as me! So what, makes him so trustworthy? Justman (talk) 18:03, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 1. Firstly, bureaucrat on TestWiki is not an especially hard thing to obtain. There are basic requirements for the role, and as soon as you meet them, you’re likely approved. It’s not a measure of trust in any manner.
 * 3. If you’re saying that the role cannot cause damage, then again you don’t really know what you’re saying The role has the ability to break much of Translate if used in the wrong manner.
 * Chisato did not display the conduct issues you have shown, including in this thread. I agree with the denial of this request, though I will note I am not a Meta functionary so my opinion doesn’t count for much. While I understand it’s frustrating, long-term I believe you can be an extremely positive contributor to Miraheze, it just takes a bit of time. I would recommend keeping up the translation work and interacting in other areas of Meta so that when you re-request, there’s a lot of examples of good conduct we can look at so your request can be approved.
 * Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns, my talk page is always open. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 01:00, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 3. What kind of behaviour? And I should continue my work is now suggested for the 2nd time, which I also did the first time! Look what it has brought! Moreover, I have come to the point where I don't like to continue without such permissions! Remaining translations are difficult, as its syntaxes on its pages are faulty or deficient, but there is an extremely large amount to be fixed! And even if I continued... How would it end? I should just continue my work again? Justman (talk) 05:20, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Moreover, yes, it is no real art to gain bureaucrat rights in the testwiki, but if one is scared that I could already do some damage with translation administrator, what could one do with bureaucrat permissions first? But the testwiki still stands (which will not change). Justman (talk) 05:22, 31 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi Justman, I noticed that you mentioned me in this discussion. First of all, I have to say that I have no further knowledge of your past history, so what I have to say next will mainly revolve around confirming your ability to own this right. If possible, could you prepare a page for translation in compliance with internationalization guidelines and link it here? Thanks. Chisato (talk) 14:55, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Have already done this in the Test Wiki several times! Justman (talk) 18:23, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
 * . A good example. However, I must point out that "Special:MyLanguage/" should also be added to internal links to ensure that users can access the correct page for them. See this page. Chisato (talk) 14:27, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
 * A question that does not affect my current perception of you: How do you change the language of a page that has been marked for translation and has been translated? (Assuming you have the appropriate permissions.) Chisato (talk) 14:33, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
 * How, change language? Justman (talk) 00:16, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * A note that this request is now a from me. While I thought that the conduct issues had been resolved by the user, this diff clearly shows otherwise. I will not support a user gaining extended rights in the community while showing conduct unbecoming of a volunteer and a user on Miraheze in general. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 14:03, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * What is wrong with this behaviour? It is a response to a request from extended rights of a user who abused his rights several times! I am right in assuming that this should be mentioned! Justman (talk) 14:20, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, I just noticed that you are that user! It is of course logical that you now want to hand me over to the devil, which is completely unnecessary, since you still get the permissions.
 * I'm sorry if I offend anyone here, but it's completely antisocial to justify someone when one has repeatedly abused one's permissions or lost them for other reasons that violate the guidelines. Justman (talk) 14:23, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I've watched Justman translating for a while.Justman is a good translator.But Reason why I oppose is that I think this request is for collecting hat.Another reason is that Miraheze is no needed to have more TA. by Buehl106·Talk·e-mail 15:31, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Collecting has? And one more TA can't hurt Justman (talk) 16:19, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * - While this user might be a good translator, their conduct on Test Wiki is unacceptable and rude. I am also unsure there is a need for more translation administrators. LC Developer (talk) 16:10, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * In summary
 * 1. Some of my translations are said to be incorrect
 * 2. No further Tas are supposedly needed
 * 3. I was supposedly rude in the test wiki
 * Now to summarise in defence
 * 1. I literally have over 5000 edits i.e. almost all translations! Yes, it may be that not everything is always completely correct, but where is this also the case?
 * 2. As already mentioned, a further TA would not hurt...
 * 3. On the test wiki, I only addressed the 3 times BrandonWM's permissions were revoked for abuse! If this is labelled as rude....
 * So to conclude, because of a common mention of permission abuse by a user, I am labelled as rude? Interesting!
 * Since I can defend myself as much as I want, but in the end it is of no use, I see myself forced to give up and stop all my work here! You seem to be doing quite well without me! Since LC Developer is of the opinion that I have to block a higher-ranking user, I will probably also stop my work on the Testwiki! I will no longer support Miraheze in any way...
 * It is a shame what incompetent antisocialists are assembled here. Justman (talk) 16:39, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * This comment perfectly describes my block and oppose vote. You attacked me and the community with your comment “It is a shame what incompetent antisocialists are assembled here.” It also shows an inability to communicate and reach consensus with other users that disagree. You know, if you would have just apologized, this wouldn’t have happened. LC Developer (talk) 17:09, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what the meaning and context of "antisocialist" is in this context but I do agree that calling users who oppose a permissions request "incompetent antisocialists" isn't very appropriate. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 17:47, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * It is a shame what incompetent antisocialists are assembled here. Justman (talk) 16:39, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * This comment perfectly describes my block and oppose vote. You attacked me and the community with your comment “It is a shame what incompetent antisocialists are assembled here.” It also shows an inability to communicate and reach consensus with other users that disagree. You know, if you would have just apologized, this wouldn’t have happened. LC Developer (talk) 17:09, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what the meaning and context of "antisocialist" is in this context but I do agree that calling users who oppose a permissions request "incompetent antisocialists" isn't very appropriate. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 17:47, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what the meaning and context of "antisocialist" is in this context but I do agree that calling users who oppose a permissions request "incompetent antisocialists" isn't very appropriate. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 17:47, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Please grant me exemption from Tor blocks
This is a Meta-specific issue, because on all other wikis, once an account is created for you, you can continue using Tor. On Meta, I am unable to edit over Tor (though I am able to use VPNs) because the wiki's configuration has been changed from the default to still blocked signed-in Tor users.

Due to ongoing legal disputes initiated by HoYoverse, the developers of Genshin Impact, against private servers and game leaks (I am actively involved in private server development and have plans to make a website that organizes game leaks), I believe that a VPN alone is no longer enough for my operational security purposes, and as such, I would like to request permission to use Tor on Meta so that I can protect my privacy, safety, and pseudonymity.

Thank you! Collei ( talk ) ( contribs ) 06:45, 9 April 2023 (UTC)


 * What error do you get? Tor users should absolutely be able to use Meta without any issue. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 06:52, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Your IP address, 185.220.101.69, has been automatically identified as a Tor exit node. Editing through Tor is blocked to prevent abuse.
 * I am logged in.
 * Screenshot:
 * Tor blocked screenshot.png
 * Collei ( talk ) ( contribs ) 06:59, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Request comfirmed group for Special:OAuthConsumerRegistration
As the title.

Per T10685, I'm here to request confirmed group in order to use Special:OAuthConsumerRegistration. I'm the founder of theredpionnerwiki, and have made over 1,000 edits on my wiki.

I'm looking to apply for an OAuth consumer for my self-hosted IABot, because although there is already a consumer on Miraheze (by Cyberpower678), it doesn't seem to be working (for example, its corresponding panel does not support login from Miraheze at all ).

Thanks. Creeper19472 (talk) 10:47, 2 April 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅ You are already autoconfirmed on Meta. If you are requesting confirmed rights on another wiki, you will need to request them locally. Globe - (Talk • Contributions • CA) 12:17, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Delete unwanted category
Hello! I want to delete such category:
 * https://lpcwiki.miraheze.org/wiki/Category:Hutchison

Help me please, because it's empty category! SammyFreak (talk) 17:31, 16 April 2023 (UTC)


 * To be able to delete categories, you must be an administrator, which you don't appear to be. Please reach out to one of the admins on the wiki; they'll be able to help you. Tali64³ (talk) 18:23, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @SammyFreak: The category has been deleted. Globe - (Talk • Contributions • CA) 12:14, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

User:Flm2r
Local pro hacker User:Flm2r attempted an RCE on Miraheze, unsuccessfully. In this process, they created a "translated" version of General disclaimer. It should be deleted. OrangeStar (talk) 15:18, 28 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the report. I've ✅ their account and removed these translations. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 15:31, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

can i be unblocked?
i would like to request an appeal for my ban i dont think i should be banned that long for 3 weeks that block is ridiclous plus atleast supermariobros supports me Randomguy1234 (talk) 17:09, 1 May 2023 (UTC)


 * not the appropriate venue. You can appeal the actions I took on my talk page, by email to stewards@, or figure it out with local administrators by messaging them on their talk pages here. Considering you aren't giving much to work with I would take a long break instead. If you avoid further block evasion and disruption and improve yourself elsewhere, you will have a case for appeal. Otherwise to do so now and in this way is pointless. --Raidarr (talk) 17:56, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * i would like to be unblocked from the loathsome characters wiki becuse i think i can improve more and with my grammar can improve Randomguy1234 (talk) 19:30, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Now i wish i didnt make that joke about being spanish Randomguy1234 (talk) 19:31, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Like I said, not the appropriate venue. --Raidarr (talk) 19:32, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * i would like an appeal becuse my grammar can change alot and i can create good well written pages with full stops. Randomguy1234 (talk) 19:33, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * As Raidarr has stated, this is not the correct venue. Please stop messaging here, instead follow the guidelines that have been posted above. Further posts may result in a temporary block from the page by Meta administrators if deemed necessary. Thank you. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 03:50, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Globe's request for patroller rights
Hello Meta Administrators,

I would like to be granted patroller rights so I can see edits that have not been patrolled and patrol them or revert them. I feel that this is a simple, helpful task that I am capable of that could help out the Counter-Vandalism team. I have been on Miraheze for ~60 days and I have ~340 edits globally. Globe (talk) 20:00, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Also, if you think I am qualified, Rollback rights to quickly revert edits may also be helpful when I chose to revert edits and not patrol them. If you don't think I am qualified, ignore this. :) Globe (talk) 15:01, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * At the very minimum, I don't see a reason why autopatrolled rights shouldn't be granted. The user clearly knows how Miraheze operates. Patroller I could see a reason for as well. I wouldn't give out rollbacker just yet, but the other two seem more than fine in my opinion. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 15:18, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay . Thanks for your comment here. Globe (talk) 16:01, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Can this be done if a meta admin is available? Globe - (Talk • Contributions • CA) 20:31, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Patroller is not connected to CVT, and indeed doesn't really do anything particular as anyone is at liberty to review edits and correct issues as needed. Frankly in this case Globe, your edits have merited needing a second glance more often than not, and so my advice to overseeing meta administrators is that there is no demonstrated need and indeed quite the opposite. --Raidarr (talk) 21:23, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * By helping the CVT, I was referring to this on the patroller page: “Patrolling helps administrators and other patrollers coordinate their efforts against spam and ensure all edits are reviewed for compliance with local policies.” Which of my edits do you feel have needed review? I want to learn from my mistakes, if they occur. Globe - (Talk • Contributions • CA) 14:22, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Can this be done? Globe - (Talk • Contributions • CA) 14:22, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * You've come to Meta very recently and been warned not a while ago for inappropriate actions, so patroller would not be appropriate at this time. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 14:35, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Request delete my own userpage
My user page wanted to be deleted Max20091 (talk) 15:03, 4 May 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅ for speedy deletion. Globe - (Talk • Contributions • CA) 20:29, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It has been deleted. Globe - (Talk • Contributions • CA) 12:26, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

translation-admin request
I usually translate. I recently saw an edition or page that needed to be designated as a new translation target. This permission will facilitate the translation process. thanks,--1108-Kiju /Talk 14:13, 8 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I still have translation-admin myself, if you need a page marked for trans tell me. OrangeStar (talk) 14:14, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Other than that a sysop will decide if you should have translation admin. OrangeStar (talk) 14:16, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I appreciate it. Thank you. 1108-Kiju /Talk 14:21, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Remove patroller, rollbacker and translation admin
Don't need them anymore. OrangeStar (talk) 17:02, 3 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Do you mean because of the system administrator global group? If so, please note that that is only meant to be used in SRE related matters and shouldn't be used for things you do in your personal capacity as user. For example, using rollback because of the sysadmin group wouldn't be appropriate. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 18:52, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * No, I mean that I don't want them, that I don't intent to do any of the stuff related to these roles, and so I'd rather resign than wait until I'm removed for not using them. OrangeStar (talk) 19:05, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I will note that as long as you're active, those rights will never be removed. So, okay. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 19:14, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Bumping to ensure this doesn't get removed by the archiver. OrangeStar (talk) 15:26, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I was hoping you would reconsider but it seems you wish this to be done so as such, ✅, regrettably. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 15:29, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

HeyTürkiye's Translation Administrator Request (2)
Dear Miraheze community, I am HeyTürkiye. As you know, the translation approval process is a long process and my first request was archived without anyone looking at it (without approval). In general, my goal is to introduce users in Turkey to Miraheze and to promote the pages by adding them to Turkish. Usually, when I add something to the translation, I get stuck in the approval request and it is approved very slowly. I would like to request Translation Administrator authorisation in order to get things done faster. I would be very grateful if the community could give me their opinion. The opinions of the community are very valuable to me, I try to correct my mistakes thanks to your warnings. Sincerely,  Hey Türkiye  Message? 18:29, 8 May 2023 (UTC)


 * 1)  I think that since you are going to try to spread MH, that you should be able to have Translator Admin rights. MH does need to be introduced to other countries, and since Turkiye has their own language, and you are a native speaker of Turkish, you should be able to lead the spread of MH into Turkiye. Commetia/Kazakhar (talk/Contact) 21:17, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Commetian Empire Thank you very much for your comment :) Hey Türkiye  Message? 13:03, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * No problem! I would like to have Miraheze more known! Commetia/Kazakhar (talk/Contact) 13:05, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * 1) I will note that this request is not a vote. Translation administrator is given at Meta admin decision. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 14:17, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @BrandonWM I certainly do not intend to make this a place like Requested for Global rights, my aim is to support (help) the administrator with votes and questions. Appreciation is your Meta Administrator. Hey Türkiye  Message? 14:42, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * BrandonWM is right in that for a group with such a specific and limited task it is quite unnecessary to have "votes". The community may of course express views but I think an actual "vote" is of limited use here. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 09:27, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Reception123 My aim is not in any way 'let me get votes, get permission'. You completely misunderstood me. My goal was to support the Meta Administrators by getting the community's comments (optional, anyone can comment, no force). I removed it as you requested. I hope you understand what I'm saying. Hey Türkiye  Message? 15:18, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * If my aim was to get votes, I wouldn't even apply here. The permissions are already limited, there is no need to vote. Hey Türkiye  Message? 15:19, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I would add that if the user will be granted translation admin rights, it would be nice to grant autopatrolled as well. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 15:22, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @BrandonWM you are right, it would be reasonable and good if given. Hey Türkiye  Message? 18:52, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Tag to the last active admins: @Agent Isai, Reception123 How long does it take to export this Translation Administrator? It shouldn't take long for it to grant discretionary authorization without a community decision. Of course, the decision is yours, I don't want to force it, but it would be better if the request is made without archiving. -- Hey Türkiye Message? 18:57, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * ❌ I'm afraid you're not ready for the role. Being a translation administrator entails you knowing how the translation system works such as how tvars work, how to prepare a page, etc., not just being a prolific translator. Your recent edit to Global Sysop shows me you are not ready as you wanted to mark an internationalization magic word for translation. These are interface messages which are being used and already translated on Translatewiki so we don't mark them for translation. I suggest you read closely the documentation for the Translate extension before requesting the permission next time.  Agent Isai  Talk to me! 19:04, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Agent Isai First of all, I would like to state that I feel sorry for the red. Knowing has nothing to do with not knowing. (If you say you will translate it on Translatewiki; I don't know it, sorry) For your information, I will try to pay attention from now on. Hey Türkiye  Message? 19:11, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * In addition, I would like to point out; I have attempted to 'translate the menu from my language' global Sysop arrangement. Maybe I'm wrong about this, I beg your pardon. Hey Türkiye  Message? 19:13, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
 * By the way, I realized the mistake I made, it turns out that I had to change my language. shit! Hey Türkiye  Message? 19:17, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Request to import required Lua dependency for Template:User
If any administrator could import the required dataset dependency, or dependencies, for Module:TNT to fix the Lua error at Template:User, that would be great. I've taken a look at Module:TNT, and it's not immediately clear what that dependency is, or, rather, where it's to be located. This is to fix the broken wikilinks in Template:User. Thanks! Dmehus (talk) 18:38, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Update: It's also breaking delete, so I believe I have narrowed it down as being related the documentation template and companion Lua module. Dmehus (talk) 01:57, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Request for restoration of my interface administrator permission
I previously held the interface administrator position, and as I resume activity here, in my WikiGnoming, cleanup, and maintenance here, I am noticing the need to fix up some interface messages. Existing interface administrators on Meta Wiki all hold multiple roles, including SRE roles which involve tending to always extensive Phabricator task backlogs, so I'm confident these tools will be of assistance to me in assisting administrators and stewards alike in responding to requests as well. I can promise to be semi-active here, will let an administrator know if I will be away for more than three weeks at a time, should they wish to proactively remove the permission, and assert that I have a strong password and two-factor authentication enabled on my account. Dmehus (talk) 18:00, 21 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Dmehus is already a trusted user and has Global interwiki administrator rights. What Dmehus says is completely correct, the CAs all have multiple roles and are doing other things. I believe that in the future (maybe) if the rights of Reverser and Patroller are removed, he will become an IA. I wish him success in his new role. Hey Türkiye  Message? 18:23, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * This isn't a vote. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 18:26, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * If you notice I wrote a comment, it's at the very beginning. @Agent Isai Hey Türkiye  Message? 18:28, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * In fairness, I think Agent Isai was referring to your !voting template, not your comment. Dmehus (talk) 18:29, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I just wanted to give a brief opinion. After all, we are human; something is overlooked. Hey Türkiye  Message? 18:32, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * HeyTürkiye, while I appreciate the vote of confidence and your comments, I echo Agent Isai's comments that this technically is not a permission that is notionally and officially !voted upon, but of course, users may opine if they wish. Dmehus (talk) 18:29, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Dmehus I want to join. I just wanted to express an opinion and a vote of confidence. Hey Türkiye  Message? 18:32, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * If I'm being honest I don't think general comments of support are useful in votes like these. Perhaps if someone has an objection for specific reasons that can be raised but I don't see a particular usefulness in generalized statements.
 * As for the actual request, it would probably be ideal to see a bit of activity first as you return and also perhaps a more specific use case for the role and what things you plan on doing. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 18:36, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Reception123 Just reiterating here what we discussed on IRC. I believe I've demonstrated sufficient activity thus far, for this particular permission, together with my commitment to keep Meta administrators apprised should I expect to be absent for more three or more weeks, in which case, I'd be happy to temporarily turn in the bit again. In terms of use case, it's related mainly to fixing/retargeting MediaWiki interface messages mainly, as part of my general WikiGnoming. Thanks! :) Dmehus (talk) 02:00, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The whole trust bit and use case I don't see a problem with whatsoever, you are quite trusted and I have faith in your ability to use the right. My primary concern here is your activity. You've been quite spotty as of late. I'm not sure of the why, so I won't jump to any conclusions, but there have been requests like this made previously by you, which shortly after you disappear. This has happened once or twice now that I can recall. Certainly, it's odd for me to see you demonstrate frequent activity for a few days and then vanish for months. If you can commit to being activity regularly for the forseeable future, I would have no issue with this. If you can't, an explanation why would be great if possible. I'm not a Meta administrator, and this isn't a vote obviously, but it's a concern I have, especially given the exclusive nature of this right, currently only two users hold it. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 03:24, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Dmehus has communicated to me the concerns expressed in this request, and I do believe now that adding him to this right would be a net positive for Miraheze overall. My concerns haven't fully dissipated, but have enough to the point where I feel comfortable submitting this message. I do believe that if given the time, my concerns will dissolve. It's just a matter of activity. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 03:39, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It is reasonable to have some concern given the cyclic activity, although in this request I think it would be fair to take the op's promise at face value since trust is clearly not an issue in this respect and where there may be slips, the requestor is open to discussion. An idea may be to establish this for a three-week or a month trial, with a followup on the final week. This should give Dmehus time to be sure he can be around and meta admins time to see if this is a drop or a stream; if it does not work out the permission expires naturally. In fact I tend to like the temporary basis most for this overall because typically the need/inspiration to actually alter the interface beyond an admin's one off initiative happens in rare bursts and a limited time in this role allows people to focus on getting certain things done as needed. But the final week mentioned above can be a permanent ratification if this temporary basis is too odd to instill into practice. --Raidarr (talk) 09:06, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

User:HeyTürkiye/Panel request for translation marking (approval, Suspended)
Could you please approve the unmarked translation change on User:HeyTürkiye/Panel? I have been waiting for a few days for the change to be approved. -- Hey Türkiye Message? 21:14, 19 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Ping: @Agent Isai In addition; Am I eligible for me to have Autoparolled rights defined? I no longer have to go through patrol control. Hey Türkiye  Message? 08:31, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Why is it necessary to have that page translated? It's a personal page. Reception123 (talk) ( C ) 15:34, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * That's a good point, actually. Some pages, such as draft content pages in userspace are worthy of translation while others, such as userspace templates, it doesn't make sense. This appears to be the transcluded content page for the root user page. I suppose there is a benefit to making userpages multilingual, but I generally do not think it is done with the Translate extension. Typically, users will just specify which languages they speak or know using the Babel extension and a user languages template. As well, the Translate extension doesn't work that well with transclusions, so I would suggest just creating manual language subpages if one wants to translate their userpage into multiple languages that they know. Dmehus (talk) 15:44, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I would heavily argue against making userpages translatable. While maybe a good idea in theory, the fact that userpages are changed so often would mean that it's required to continually translate them, which would be a pain for all involved. I would also add that I definitely wouldn't want to see the translate bar above my userpage every time I visited it, and I imagine there are others that feel the same. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 16:17, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * No, you completely misunderstood this situation. Most of the time, instead of reading the pages in English, I read Turkish. This is already a completely personal page and subpage. Hey Türkiye  Message? 16:33, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I wanted to use the translation feature to read sometimes in English and sometimes in Turkish. Hey Türkiye  Message? 16:34, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * You can not accept it if you want, it's fine for me, but I want to read my page in 2 languages for advantage. Hey Türkiye  Message? 16:37, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * How frequently do you edit your user page? If you're editing it daily, I would have concerns, both in terms of volunteer capacity to review the translations and mark the userpage every day but also in terms of load impacts on the jobrunner. If, on the other hand, your edits to your user page are infrequent (i.e., once a month or less), I would think you've articulated a reasonable-ish use case wanting to be able to navigate to the Turkish language subpage when you follow links to your user page in the Turkish language and, conversely, to following to the English main page when following links in English. Dmehus (talk) 16:42, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I will not send translation requests for the permanent page Dmehus. I can already overwrite the translation. (title etc.) That's why I will not torture our esteemed managers with tiring translation requests. Hey Türkiye  Message? 16:46, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm just conferring with a Meta administrator if they have any objections to this in light of your added information. Dmehus (talk) 16:48, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I have suspended the autoparolled request. I did not provide information. Hey Türkiye  Message? 13:23, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

HeyTürkiye, I am generally of the same view as Reception123 that your indicated reason for wanting to mark that userspace subpage for translation is marginal; nonetheless, since you have indicated it will be minimally edited and is intended to correctly display the appropriate language (whether you are in  or   mode, there is, nonetheless, a use case here—even if it is, as I say, a marginal one. So, after conferring with Reception123 on this, we agree on marking the subpage for translation, with two conditions. First, it must not cause any technical problems (i.e., related to server resource usage/load, transclusion weirdness, etc.). Second, it must not be frequently edited. That is to say, we will not consider requests to re-mark it for translation at an interval greater than once every 30-90 calendar days. Should those conditions be broken, any administrator should feel free to delete the translation subpages and remove it from the translation system. Accordingly, this is ✅. Dmehus (talk) 01:51, 22 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Dmehus, Reception123 Your terms are also suitable and reasonable for me. Thank you for confirming the translation. In fact, text, images, titles, etc. can be created on top of the translation, even without marking the translation. I don't think I'm going to make too many requests. In addition; Due to my busy personal life, I will not be in the Meta these days. Thank you for making me conditional. Hey Türkiye  Message? 13:17, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Tag to active administrator: @Agent Isai, I think RfC will take a long time to vote. Can you define autopatrolled rights for me? Hey Türkiye Message? 20:05, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Volunteers for Meta Bureaucrat position
The thread just above this thread has lead me to the realization that since the departure of one of the two bureaucrats there is currently only one Meta bureaucrat. While it is completely true and accurate to argue that the bureaucrat rule is very minimal to the functioning of Meta it does have some important attributes and particularly the authority to close RfCs pertaining to Meta. This is not meant to question anyone personally and I do not think that it is a very big issue but in order to be able to have another "check and balance" other than the community I think it would be advisable if someone who is currently an administrator would volunteer for Meta bureaucrat in order for there to be two and I recommend that someone takes this up. I did not nominate any particular person because I did not wish to be presumptuous and make a nomination for a person who does not wish to have the role for any reason. DeeM28 (talk) 13:35, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


 * An idea that has been floated around is abolishing Meta bureaucrat and assigning its rights and responsibilities to Stewards. Thinking about it, no non-Steward has ever been bureaucrat so perhaps it might make sense. As its job is very minimal and has been described as the "most boring role on Meta", it might make sense to just merge it with Stewards as they already handle things like right assignments, RfC closures, etc. Agent Isai  Talk to me! 13:39, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Over time I have noticed that there are some people who would prefer what you suggest while others are more adamant that Meta should be its own separate wiki without undue interference by global groups such as Stewards and Global Sysops. Recently of course Global Sysops have obtained more authority to intervene on Meta in case there is no administrator available. What I propose as a compromise would be to follow a similar line and to more clearly allow Stewards to take actions on Meta and even the ability to overturn the actions of local bureaucrats if they are egregiously wrong but not go so far as to abolish the entire group and have no more directly elected users and give all powers to Stewards. In practice it makes no difference but there may be a time in the future where these groups will no longer be held by the same users which of course is ideal for more accountability. DeeM28 (talk) 15:23, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * As an administrative wiki for the platform I'm tempted by the idea of merging the utility of meta bureaucrat into stewardship and would encourage this be offered as an option in a local RfC to be considered. I believe Stewards may already be solicited to cover in case of absence or if an issue precludes Reception from reasonably handling something in his capacity, as part of the global Steward function. But this is not ideal, there should be a merge or the role should be staffed appropriately. I believe the right number here is three meta bureaucrats as a slightly future-proofing balance. I would personally urge and  to consider this capacity, I would be willing to support/nominate either directly from the meta admin pool. I think there are more options if we look past meta admins into 'trusted stakeholder' community members, but without them becoming admins as well and accounting for activity issues this can quickly become messy.
 * To me this thread raises raise another question, broader to meta adminship and Miraheze volunteering. Right now meta admins fall in two groups. First group: deep platform volunteers who already have a plethora of responsibilities. These include Void, Reception, Agent, and technically Universal Omega despite his partial exit and recent apathy. Going by your suggestion, these users save Reception are the only ones who would realistically 'rise up' to bureaucracy. Going by the above subtopic, these groups would further centralize into the same core of users. Second group: the "independent" meta admins with few other responsibilities. Remaining these are Zppix and MrJaroslavik, both facing requests for removal and lacking odds in their favor. This status quo is natural because of meta's intrinsic relationship with running the platform as a whole, but to some it may be concerning how few effective meta admins exist and how they are already tied to global responsibilities.
 * What I would suggest is that this discussion or a subsequent one shift to the state of meta adminship in general. I find that the numbers are dwindling and fresh blood is hard to come by. We may wish to see other users rise to the mantle of adminship, probably not many as the need is not high, but there is need for trusted but also somewhat newer users to take the mantle or at least be able to consider a more active role. The "core volunteers" are few and always hurting for members. Some users find it difficult to enter because of broader issues with their newness, their situation handling, familiarity with Miraheze and practice, competence etc. There is a small list of users who a) have participated recently, b) are established in the Meta community and c) have help built the content of Meta, substantively participated in RfCs (beyond a minimal or unexplained vote) or provided support. Excluding current admins. I mark * for users who have participated recently but have clear activity concerns or arguably don't quite fit a/b/c that would draw from a candidacy.
 * Pulling from the active users list these are: BrandonWM, Bukkit*, Collei, Commetian Empire, DeeM28, HeartsDo*, DarkMatterMan*, Collei, Dmehus*, Globe, HeyTürkiye, KatozzKita, MacFan4000, NotAracham, No se, OrangeStar, Redmin, Raidarr, Tali64³, Ugochimobi*, and 小美粉粉*. I apologize if I missed anyone who should be here.
 * This list represents the current "meta community" in a nutshell. Others such as Dross, Hypercane John etc are notably parts of it but I would label them as inactive at this time. I say 'active' generously as there are unmarked users listed who are also more cyclic in activity which could somewhat hinder their volunteering efforts. This is the effective list you have to work with for volunteering to administer meta, overlapping with the theoretical list of users who could put themselves out for other roles. This does not account for any other concern that may make candidacy inadvisable. Frankly I don't think the meta community well represents the true global community of the platform, another issue I would posit but for another time. This is a rabbit hole I would like to explore probably through the Meta Community portal or Community noticeboard. Apologies for somewhat hijacking this conversation with a broader subject, but I think it is intrinsically relevant to the meta bureaucrat question. --Raidarr (talk) 16:30, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * A fun previously-unnoticed tidbit that was also pointed out in discussions elsewhere: Only Meta Admins are eligible for Meta Bureaucrat, so there's a double-challenge in the pipeline to expand the ranks of Meta Bureaucrats. --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 18:10, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The fact that the number of Bureaucrats in Meta Wiki is only 1 and that volunteers are needed really makes me think a lot. As I am active in the community, especially as a steward, and as a user who fulfils all options A), B) and C), I could apply for the shortage, but the needs do not meet this. If I were an administrator, I would choose NotAracham and Agent Isai, because they are very familiar with English Wikipedia and Consensus. A bureaucrat needs to have a good command of consensus, so people (or rather admins) could nominate themselves/others for bureaucrat. (If there is no consensus rule, etc.) I hope someone will nominate for bureaucrat, because we need consensus admins very much. Hey Türkiye  Message? 18:29, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Is that list of people people you would consider to be competent Meta administrators, or simply people that contribute to Meta? BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 22:44, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Based on side conversations, it's a simple list of active users who have done edits within x days and should not be taken as an endorsement or assessment of competency (either good or bad). --NotAracham (talk • contribs • global) 02:42, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Got it. Was attempting to clarify, on first read I took it as "a list of users who could be nominated for Meta adminship", but I figured that couldn't be the case (or at least all of it) as it's too large haha. Thanks for clarifying. BrandonWM (talk • contributions • global • rights) 03:05, 26 May 2023 (UTC)